1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Hey everybody, welcome back- 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,000 I had a fucking bubble in my throat. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Let's take that again. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:34,000 You gotta stop sucking so much dick. 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party Show 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,000 I am your host Dave and today I am joined by the wonderfully mustachioed, very hungover, Nick Eitzman. 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,000 I'm very hungover. I look hungover. I'm like looking at myself in the webcam, I'm like fuck. 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 You don't look that bad. 10 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:59,000 It might just be the lighting, I don't know. My face is all blotchy, look like a liver spot man. 11 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 You're more backlit than anything so I think that might be probably what it is. 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 But besides being hungover, how you doing? 13 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:12,000 I'm doing pretty good. I got a frosty in hand. I wish they would have given me a spoon instead of a straw. 14 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Yeah dude, that's wild. 15 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:23,000 It's very bizarre but the Nadja is here, my cat Nadja, lovingly named after the vampire from what we do in the shadows. 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Nadja, say hello to your uncle Dave. 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Wait, so not the tiger from Aladdin? I always assumed it was the tiger from Aladdin. 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Oh, that's Raja. Fuck. 19 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,000 That's Raja. I honestly didn't even think of that. I can't tell you the last time I saw Aladdin. 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yeah, I mean the last time I saw Aladdin was the live action one. Was that directed by Guy Ritchie? No. 21 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:52,000 One of the new live action Disney movies was directed by Guy Ritchie and I just assumed it was going to be super British and it wasn't and I was very disappointed. 22 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Why do I feel like it was Little Mermaid? I almost said Little Rascals there for a second. 23 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:04,000 I kind of want to see like a Guy Ritchie Little Rascals movie. Oh, that'd be so good. 24 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,000 I'm going to feed that to my AI later. 25 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Well, I'm glad you're doing good. I'm glad the cat's good. I'm glad you got your frosty. 26 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Again, I don't think dairy is the best thing for your stomach when you're hungover. 27 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Listen, I have already coated it with wawa egg rolls this morning when I left the casino. 28 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Very black coffee, some chicken nuggets. I got a five dollar piggy bag at Wendy's and then I decided that I wanted ice cream because ice cream always makes me feel better personally, but not physically. 29 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Just mentally, I feel a little bit better. Yeah, a little bit better. 30 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,000 I mean, I guess maybe the calcium from the dairy would help, but I don't know, man. 31 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Anyways, well, why did you have a good time, judged by how you're feeling today? I'm assuming you had a good time. 32 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Oh, I had myself a time and a half, buddy. A time and a half. Let's let's run into what he got for me, Dave. 33 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Oh, God. Well, it's been a while. I know. 34 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000 You know, just to remind listeners at home, you don't know what we're going to be talking about today, right? 35 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 You also didn't know you're going to be a guest until about an hour and a half ago. 36 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Yeah, I honestly I feel really bad because every time I say that I'm going to be a guest, I get sucked up into like 10 million other things. 37 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Yeah, but you're here today. So, you know, it doesn't matter. I'm really glad, really glad to be here. 38 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:30,000 All right, Nicholas. Well, today, our story today brings us to the quaint New England town of Northfield, Vermont. 39 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:43,000 It's settled in 1781. Northfield is a very small town. It's roughly like 40 square miles and as of 2020 has a population of close to like 6000 people. So not the biggest town. 40 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Right. It's home to the oldest private military college in the world and not a lot else. 41 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:58,000 If you go on by like what like TripAdvisor has said, I tried to look it up on TripHobo, our favorite travel destination site, but Northfield's not on there. 42 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:08,000 It should be a sponsor of the show, honestly. But according to TripAdvisor, TripAdvisor, three out of the top six attractions are, can you guess what they are? 43 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,000 All right, I'm going to say a place where people get maple syrup. 44 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Nope. No. Okay. All three of these are the same type of thing, too. 45 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Oh, okay. Can I get a hint? No. 46 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Covered covered bridges. Oh, God damn it. 47 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Which is like the most like my so stereotypical small town New England bullshit I've ever heard. 48 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Legitimately have memories like of my grandmother making my poor father drive like 15 miles out of his way to go look at a fucking covered bridge while we're like at storybook land or story land and like north, whatever that you know what I'm talking about. 49 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,000 North Conway. Yeah, North Conway. Yeah, like, and then, by the way, he almost hit a moose. 50 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Like in the ass. Yeah, my love of New Hampshire goes back deep, you know, almost hitting moose, breaking an elbow, waking up where Betty and Barney Hill apparently got abducted and Laconia and Tilton. 51 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 There's a sweet gas station up there. You got to check it out. There's an alien painting on the wall. 52 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Fucking love New Hampshire. I fucking love it. Well, we're talking about Vermont, but either way, it's the same thing. 53 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Anyone down in Philly has no idea. Vermont, where upside down New Hampshire. It honestly is. Yeah, but the states got lazy. 54 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:49,000 But legend around town has it that hidden away in the lush forests behind all the glitz and glam of all their fucking fancy ass covered bridges and historical society museums, something more terrifying lurks in the shadows, a creature so hideous. 55 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Some say it's an abomination of God, a terrible homunculus, a cross between a man and a pig. 56 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:01,000 This week, Nicholas, we're going to be discussing the pig man of Northfield, Vermont. Are you familiar? 57 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,000 No, I honestly thought you were going to say vermin supreme, and I was going to be very disappointed. 58 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:12,000 That actually wouldn't be a bad episode. Just like the lore behind him. The lore of vermin. 59 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:20,000 I feel like not enough people know who he is. I will send you a clip that I saw the other day of like him doing D&D or like someone mocking him as D&D. 60 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,000 It's the best thing in the world. So give me the details on this pig man because I pig men scare me. Do they? 61 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Yeah, I have a thing against like not against. I have a coming off as a little bigoted here. 62 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:41,000 I have a strong dislike of pigs. I don't know what it is. Like they're the little snouts kind of like freak me out like all pigs. 63 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Most pigs were like the cute little teacup pigs you see like on Instagram. They're sitting. Yeah, that's fine. 64 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Like a boot came to mind. They just have like giant open nostrils and their nose. Their snout just freaks me out. 65 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,000 And like a hybrid. You're talking about like state like state fair. Yeah, like hogs. Yeah. 66 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Like a hogger. Yeah, you're not talking about your average run of the mill like babe. No, I'm not. 67 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Well, first off, babe and what was the Charlotte's when Wilbur. Fuck Wilbur. He killed Charlotte. That pig got what he deserved. 68 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:25,000 All right. I think I'm glad that he's fucking dead as a doornail and he didn't win the so bad. 69 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000 But it's the saddest book in the world. The whole the whole point is making friends. 70 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Oh, by the way, the friend dies. That's fair. Give a shit about. 71 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:39,000 I don't give a shit about Charlotte's babies. You want the first off the fruit. The fact that there's thousands of Charlotte baby spiders. 72 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Terrifying. Terrifying. Who writes that? It's like, oh, this is a great book for kids. 73 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:49,000 It's going to launch like a lifelong fear of pigs and arachnophobia. 74 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:58,000 I'm I think I might still be drunk. Oh, my God, dude. Oh, all right. 75 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Now, Nicholas, the origins of pigmen are a bit murky, but the consensus of how this like Al Gore monster came to be seems to stem from what I'm pretty sure is just an urban legend. 76 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Obviously, I didn't look up to see if the basis for the legend is real or not. 77 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 But for the story's sake, let's just go ahead and say that it's real. 78 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:27,000 So the story goes that the night before Halloween in 1951, 17 year old Sam Harris left his house with some eggs and toilet paper to go cause a little mischief. 79 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 It's the night before Halloween. It's Devil's Night. It's Mischief Night. 80 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 That's what it's for. Also, I found out in New England it's called Cabbage Night. The fuck is that? 81 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:44,000 We're both born. Yeah, no, no, I know. We're both born and raised doing it. It's not called Cabbage Night. 82 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 No, it's Devil's Night or Mischief Night. It's one of the two. They're interchangeable. Yeah, they're interchangeable. 83 00:08:49,000 --> 00:09:01,000 And so that's what that night is for. From what I read, though, Sam was known around town for being just kind of like a little shit, pulling pranks, causing trouble with his neighbors, just small town teenager type shit. 84 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:08,000 So it's basically so this is an out of the ordinary for Sam. But the next morning, Sam hadn't returned home. 85 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:15,000 His parents reported to missing and the whole town launched a massive weeks long search that involved hundreds of locals and police. 86 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:23,000 But unfortunately, neither he or his body were ever found. Now, some people in town believe that Sam had just simply run away. 87 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:29,000 He was a 17 year old shithead. Kind of makes sense. Others think he was possibly kidnapped or killed or both. 88 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:37,000 I mean, back then, if you ran away or were kidnapped, there's no way you just never found again in 1951. You're gone. 89 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:55,000 But others believed that something more sinister and maybe otherworldly took place. Some say that Sam had accidentally stumbled upon something they described as evil in the woods around Northfield, something that may have consumed his very soul or transformed him into a hideous monster. 90 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Those people think that he came across an ancient ritual site where Satanists or maybe even witches performed black magic sacrifices and summoned legions of demons. 91 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Just normal, just normal Vermont. Just normal New England. Just normal New England woods. Yeah. 92 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:28,000 Normal New England woods. Now, my question there to kind of sidetrack you there, is there any like folklore or history of the town before that, like dealing with witches or like having any issues or anything along those lines prior? 93 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:41,000 I read said anything like that. But I mean, again, this is 1951 that they're saying this. I'm assuming their whole fucking like I'm going to say, yeah, like a small farming town in New England. 94 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 I'm going to assume 100 percent. Yeah. That even if there wasn't, they said there was. 95 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Well, yeah, they're not like they're not that far from Massachusetts. Like, no, no. I'm sure those stories all they travel. 96 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:10,000 Yeah. So so basically the story is either Sam had been like possessed by the devil himself and transformed into this human pig hybrid or the pig man himself was summoned by these witches and killed Sam just because. 97 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 No, just because he could. 98 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Got to make the bacon somehow. Now, no one ever wants to see how you do it, but you got to make it. Exactly. No, no one. 99 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I was going to make a bad joke. I'm not going to do it. No, Sam Harris did Sam Harris become the pig man. 100 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Who knows? But it didn't take long for the legend to spread around Northfield and eventually through all of Vermont in the woods outside of Northfield is an area known as the Devil's Wash Bowl, which is a pond surrounded by cliffs and caves and shit. 101 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:56,000 People reported seeing a strange figure lurking around in the woods and they describe this figure as being covered in a white fur, just straight up butt ass naked and wearing a hollowed out pig's head over its own like some kind of fucked up macabre mask. 102 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Fuck that. You said it was the Devil's Wash Bowl. I'm looking it up right now. Devil's Wash Bowl. See what's going on here. Yeah. 103 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:15,000 It's also said that the pig man had an insatiable hunger for pork, which is kind of fucked up. It would slaughter pigs from nearby farms, eat their insides and entrails before cutting off the head and hollowing it out. 104 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Some say it's for a trophy. Others say it's to replace his mask because over time I'm just assuming it gets fucking disgusting. 105 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Oh yeah. Well it's got to change it out. Yeah. Other legends say that he would mate with pigs and produce half pig, half pig man offspring. 106 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:42,000 So at this point it's like 75% pig. Yeah. Dude, could you imagine being a farmer? All right. It's 5 a.m. 107 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:55,000 You're just getting up, put your boots on, you're going out to feed the pigs and you just see this fucking white hairy dude just wearing a decapitated pig's head just fucking going to town on your prized hog. 108 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Like that's got to like ruin your day. I mean, you know, there's a couple of different ways you can think about it. 109 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,000 You got so serious for a moment. I didn't know what you were going to say. 110 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Like, what do you do? Like, do you shoot it? Honestly, like my given mental and like physical state right now, you know, because of being up till four o'clock in the morning and just going going crazy like a 30 year old man should not be doing. 111 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Yeah. I honestly think I'd go back to bed and I would never talk about it. 112 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:42,000 Just like I see nothing you do, you but I'd go back. Yeah, I go back to bed like my imaginary wife sleeping next to me. I was like, what's the matter, honey? I'm like fucking Larry's fucking going to town on whatever the hog's name is. 113 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,000 He's going ham on my hog. He's going ham on my hog. 114 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:57,000 And I have to explain to her not like my hog, you know, but like, yeah, I know the hog that we own. All right. 115 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Let's just get into the sightings. OK, are you ready for this? Let's do. 116 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 Oh, I'm born, born ready. All right. 117 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:12,000 One of the first sightings of the pig man was in 1971 when a farmer heard some strange noises coming from his backyard, like in the area of where his trash cans would be. 118 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Right. Now, me and you both being from this area. 119 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Usually when you hear something like this, you know, it's more than likely one of a few things. 120 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Raccoon, possum, skunk, or on the rare occasion, a bear. 121 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 So that's what yeah, yeah. 122 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,000 Like that's what this guy was expecting when he flicked on his backlight and like looked out his window. 123 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Unfortunately, none of those were what was staring back at him. 124 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,000 So standing just at the edge of where the light was hitting, he made eye contact with a man sized figure. 125 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Again, fully nude, just hogged out, covered fully in white hair and wearing the head of a pig. 126 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,000 A few seconds of awkward eye contact later, and the thing just kind of darted off back into the woods. 127 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,000 Now, just a few days later, and this is arguably like the most notable sighting of the pig man. 128 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,000 This occurred where else but a high school dance. 129 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,000 A group of. Sound disappointed. 130 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000 So they feathered a kid and put a pig on his head. 131 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Probably, but a group of teens had snuck off to a sand pit that was located behind the school to have a few beers. 132 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,000 And since it was 1971, I'm going to go with and say that they're probably drinking Schlitz. 133 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 I feel like Schlitz was a big beer back in 1971. 134 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 I'd say Schlitz or Schlitz. 135 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 I don't know. Schlitz, Gansett or like Genesee. 136 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000 Oh, yeah. Or PBR. 137 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,000 No, I don't think so. I bet it was a Gansett or Schlitz. 138 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 That's just me. 139 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,000 Oh, it's doing that. It's against it. 140 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:45,000 But not too long after the gang got together and cracked open a few cold ones, they saw this thing come out of the tree line. 141 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:55,000 And they described it just as the farmer had walking upright on two legs covered in white fur, just totally nude and with the terrifying head of a pig. 142 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 So dudes hogged out on two counts. 143 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Now, obviously scared shitless, the group ran back to the school, busted back into the gymnasium where the dance was happening and just full on were like ugly crying and screaming from fear and yelling about what they had just seen. 144 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Now, some of the braver students are stupid, I guess, depending on how you look at it, decided to leave the gym and go out to the sand pit to investigate, but found nothing besides some half empty beer cans and what I assume were massive shit stains in the sand from where the kids were sitting. 145 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:32,000 But it's from this story that the pig man legend was like really solidified, I think. 146 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Now, you look upset. I want to know where you are right now. 147 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Well, I mean, like you have to take especially like drinking sightings with a grain of salt. 148 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:51,000 And obviously that puts a lot of crypto, you know, cryptic sightings kind of in almost the majority of them, almost majority of them into that category. 149 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Right. But like I'm Googling them right now and there's fucking still websites dedicated to this guy. 150 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 So, you know, this has got to be something there. 151 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:06,000 But at the same time, too, it could also just be like the town drunk or like we'll get into theories of what he is now. 152 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,000 The high school dance is probably the most widely known story and the best with because it has the multiple witnesses. 153 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 But like we were just saying, how true is it? 154 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Fuck if I know. But settings like this and the farmer incident like aren't very common. Most sightings after this were mostly from teenagers who were walking around the woods at night, pretty much actively looking for the pig man or just going out to party. 155 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:39,000 And then mostly again in the wooded areas around the devil's washbowl, they would say that they saw his red glowing eyes, which apparently is a thing, but not referenced in any other descriptions that I've read of the thing. 156 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Others say they have heard his squeals and grunts echoing through the woods. 157 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Others claim to have found tracks. But I mean, it wouldn't. 158 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,000 So his tracks, wouldn't they just be just normal, like dude footprints? 159 00:17:51,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Well, that's that's it. Right. Like, you know, maybe he's got half human feet, half like, like, cloven, cloves, cloves. 160 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Clove. Yeah. Cloven hooves. 161 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Like the front half is a hoof and the other half is the heel. 162 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 I don't know. I don't know how they make these hybrids. 163 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:19,000 I don't. Others have reportedly claimed to have found his lair, which is a cave off of the washbowl where he keeps bones and skulls of his victims. 164 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:25,000 There had been claims of near misses, people saying that they were attacked or chased, but just narrowly got away. 165 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:33,000 There have even been people claiming that they have seen him and his gross pig children and they look just like how you would expect them. 166 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Basically like a David Lynch version of like the Gamorrean guards from Jabba's palace. But like if they were just children's size. 167 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 So just to be clear, they don't look like Ted Cruz. 168 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 No, I mean, if you put a tusks on them, then yeah, probably. Perfect. 169 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:52,000 That's all I needed to know. Now, the pig man has never been caught on camera or photographed. 170 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:58,000 And there isn't really any evidence at all of its existence, besides from some kids and a couple of farmers. 171 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:04,000 So who's to say this thing even exists or if it's 100 percent urban legend, which is pretty much where my money is. 172 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:11,000 But the but this lack of like anything hasn't stopped people from trying to find out just what this thing is. 173 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Right. So do you want to dive into some theories? I want to know. 174 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000 I want to know what your theories are first. What do you think? 175 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Well, I mean, listen, there's something to be Jesus Christ. Sorry, the cats are going insane. 176 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,000 There's something to be said about like New England folklore. 177 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Right. I mean, it's it's where we first settled as Americans. 178 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Yes. Like the woods in specifically up in that region, like the, you know, 179 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,000 northern kingdom and all that stuff, like there's stuff out there. There's got to be stuff out there. 180 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,000 There's no way there's not. Do I think there's like, you know, a six foot, 181 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,000 you know, white haired, furred, covered pig man running around? Probably. 182 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:56,000 It probably was the twist. I honestly thought you were like, no, no, there's not. 183 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:04,000 But like, you know, it's probably not like, you know, it the original sighting was probably just some dude who was like, 184 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:10,000 I hate to, you know, use this word, but like a little challenged. 185 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Right. And like worked on a form and like, you know, well, I wasn't going to use the other word, but like, you know, 186 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,000 runs is like work that a pig farm would like, you know, people like bones. 187 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,000 You know, I probably liked bones and like, like, like, you know, like a Marcus parts. 188 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:33,000 He just liked bones. And before he knew it, he had like, you know, a pig head with all the flesh. 189 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:38,000 He gets a little drunk. He skins out the head and he puts the head on his head. 190 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:44,000 All right. Well, and then from there, you know, it evolved into the urban legend that we know. 191 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Well, that that I like, I like where you're going with this. 192 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 But let's dive in. What do you got? Let's dive into some theories. 193 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,000 So first is the obvious one that a lot of people believe in that that is that the pig man is an actual flesh and blood cryptid. 194 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,000 Just like a nightmare homunculi that lives in the woods surrounding Northfield and preys on pigs and humans alike. 195 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Apparently, this thing kills humans, but there's been no reported that I know of murders, possibly like a hills has eyes situation, 196 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,000 like a genetic mutation or supernatural in nature. So that's one of the theories. 197 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,000 The second is that the pig man is Sam Harris. 198 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 The theory is that Sam survived his disappearance, but went insane. 199 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:31,000 According to the website North American cryptids dot com, he could have been traumatized by something he saw or experienced in the woods the night he disappeared. 200 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Or perhaps like drugs were involved. Either way, he lost his fucking mind. 201 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:40,000 And to cope, for some reason, he adopted this weird pig like persona and just kind of haunted. 202 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:50,000 I gotta be honest, I completely forgot about him until you just said it. 203 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 It was like the first half of the episode. 204 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:00,000 We got it. It's also very likely. I like that. 205 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:09,000 I like that. Another theory that comes from North American cryptids dot com is that the pig man is someone just trying to keep the legend of Sam Harris alive. 206 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Either like a jolly old prankster or just like a straight up mentally ill person who decided to take on the mantle of Sam and just like scaring people and killing animals, which is kind of close to what you were saying. 207 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Yeah, like exactly. But like I liked I actually like that theory a lot. 208 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Right. Like it's you know, there's probably a few different people doing it. 209 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 And it's probably it started off like all in good humor. 210 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,000 It's like, oh, we have a pig man. And then some sick fuck was like, I am the pig man. 211 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:44,000 And then like before you know it, he's like jumping around squealing and he becomes like like a weird delusional type of thing. 212 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Yeah, like a weird delusional like pig cryptid vigilante. 213 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 That's just like fighting pigs for whatever reason. 214 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Does that become like if they truly believe they are the pig man, does that make it a cryptid? 215 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Well, but you can say the same thing about the guys that go around and like are dressing up as Bigfoot. 216 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Right. Like they're doing it to keep the you know, keep the thing alive. 217 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Right. To bring you know. Yeah. But does that do more harm or good to the idea of cryptid? 218 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:22,000 That I feel like that doesn't help. I feel like if anything, that hurts cryptozoology. 219 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,000 I kind of think that that has a double, you know, a double edged sword kind of effect. 220 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,000 Right. Like, yes, it does hurt. 221 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,000 You know, the it does have, you know, extremely right. 222 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,000 It could actually really hurt the actual study of it. 223 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:42,000 But at the same time, it could also bring in a lot of new like interests like, oh, my God, like, yeah, it was some guy in the in a pig man suit. 224 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 What the hell is the Northfield Pig Man? And then they start looking it up and then they start doing their own research. 225 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,000 And it brings more hobbyists in, which I think is pretty cool. 226 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Yeah. I mean, I guess I don't know. 227 00:23:52,000 --> 00:24:02,000 But the most likely answer is that all of this is just an urban legend, just a story to kind of like tell your children to not to not be dumb and go into the woods alone or like be an asshole on Halloween or something. 228 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Right. Yeah. 229 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:14,000 It's even just like people in the woods who hear or see something and their imagination gets the best of them and they exaggerate what they experience could also be like what's going on. 230 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 But who knows? But, you know, what do you think? 231 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:24,000 I know. I know what you think. But no, I mean, I think that, you know, it's you really hit the nail on the head there, too. 232 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Right. It's definitely, you know, it's most definitely a bedtime story for kids. 233 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Right. It is very much it's a campfire story. 234 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,000 It's a campfire story, which is awesome. 235 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,000 And you can say a lot of that a lot of you can say that about a lot of different cryptids, too. 236 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:49,000 At the end of the day, their folklore that is turned into, you know, sightings and turned into campfire stories and turned into sweet merch like there's pig man socks. 237 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000 I'm looking at them right now. They're pretty great. 238 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000 What website are you on? 239 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Darn tough. Darn tough sucks. 240 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:02,000 Yeah, they do. There's also they had an artist do a print of the pig man and it looks fucking dope and I might have to buy it. 241 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Pig man lives. Pig man lives. I like this story a lot. This is cool. 242 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 This is a good story. But yeah, but that's that's that's it. 243 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000 That's pretty much all there is to know about the pig man of Northfield, Vermont. 244 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:21,000 It was a pretty good story. It was cool. I hadn't I had actually never heard of it until I was scrambling to find something to do an episode on. 245 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:28,000 And I think it worked. I think I read a lot. I mean, again, I just read the same thing like 15 times. 246 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 But yes, you just read didn't read a lot of different material. 247 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,000 That's read the same material. I got you. I smell what you're stepping in. 248 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Yeah, there's not a lot to go off of, if that makes sense. 249 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 All the sources are pretty much all the same thing, but it's all it's all awesome. Exactly. 250 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000 Exactly. 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