1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,280 have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown, I'm your host Dave, 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,840 and today I'm joined by good friend, Bigfoot himself, Jamie Hurley. 4 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,080 What's going on man? 5 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Howdy y'all. 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,560 You know, just still being Bigfoot up here in New Hampshire, I wandered out into the 7 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:49,120 wild last night to a good old Grindcore show, it was fun. 8 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,920 Yeah, I'm glad that Ben's been doing a lot of stuff with flight, that makes me really 9 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,920 happy. 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,800 If you're in the New Hampshire, seacoast area, definitely go check out Flight Coffee in Dover. 11 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Ben's amazing, the shows there are amazing, I don't drink coffee really, but I'm assuming 12 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,560 the coffee's amazing, I've seen pictures on Instagram. 13 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,120 I don't either, yeah. 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:13,240 They don't use any of that fake pump syrup crap and stuff, like all the stuff they make, 15 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,520 because I don't know anything about it because I don't drink it either, but it is lines out 16 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,520 the door. 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Yeah. 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,960 They're doing well, they know what they're doing. 19 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:25,960 I'm proud of that boy, I'm proud of him. 20 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:26,960 Yeah. 21 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:27,960 Fucking big things. 22 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:28,960 Absolutely. 23 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:29,960 He is a grill, so I mean. 24 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:30,960 Yeah. 25 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:36,360 But no, I'm glad you're doing good, I'm glad you ventured out of the house. 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,120 I mean, I think the last time I was in New Hampshire I got you to go out of your house 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,240 for like a minute, and that was fun. 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,480 Oh yeah, no, we went for more than a minute. 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,520 Well I know, but you're a homebody, but also your actual body is falling apart whenever 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,720 you step outside your front door, so. 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,120 It's falling apart inside, outside, everywhere. 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,400 But you look good, you look healthy at least, you don't look as like deathly. 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,160 That's good I guess. 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,760 Yeah, you got some color in your skin. 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,440 I'm taking what I can get. 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Yeah. 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,720 Day at a time, I like to get back skating again. 38 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,360 You sound like an alcoholic, just one day at a time man, I take care of that. 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,680 I take a sippy poo right here. 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,920 All right, Jamie, well I think I have a pretty good episode today. 41 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,760 It's something a little different than what we normally do. 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:33,800 Not in terms of like subject matters, so cryptids and paranormal and shit, but I figured the 43 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,920 story, because we're going to go over a couple stories today. 44 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:40,800 I feel like whenever you're on, I never just do one story, it's always like multiples. 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,640 But it's not fearsome critters again, this is something a little different. 46 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:51,360 I'll just tell you what it is, it's cryptid hoaxes. 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,040 I feel like there's been a lot of them recently and there's been a lot over the years. 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,360 And I feel like no one talks about them because I think they're afraid that if they admit 49 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,800 their hoaxes, then a lot of their evidence will go away. 50 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,200 Their entire worldview is going to shatter. 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Pretty much, yeah. 52 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,080 And I feel like that's why you never hear like other, I mean some podcasts and stuff 53 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,880 cover it, but you don't really, like even on shows on the History Channel, which for 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,240 some reason shows a lot of cryptid and alien shit, and like Discovery, they use some of 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,760 these stories and people as credible sources and it's wild that people just let it fly. 56 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,760 You know what I mean? 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,920 Oh God, yeah, like what's a crazy hair guy on ancient aliens? 58 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,840 Oh fucking, I almost said Zach Galifianakis, but it's Giorgio Asuchles. 59 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Yes. 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Yes. 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:48,200 I think you know about a mutual acquaintance we had that actually had like a semi-personal 62 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,120 relationship with him. 63 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,120 I'm sorry, what? 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Like a, is this real? 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,280 You never heard about this? 66 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,280 No. 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Yes, this is real. 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,720 Is this like an off the record conversation we have to have? 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:00,720 I don't think so. 70 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,520 I'm not saying anything like really damning. 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:09,800 Yeah, but I need to know the name, so we'll save it for later because this sounds interesting. 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:16,080 Well no, I should, I think it's, because of what you just said, I think it's important 73 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:23,000 we know like who this guy is, like he said they have like sometimes random crazy people 74 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,920 on there just talking about whatever. 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,440 He's not a random crazy person, he's like the producer of the show. 76 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Like he's like full on like. 77 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,080 I know, he's like, I think he's published like books and stuff. 78 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Yeah. 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,080 In all type. 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,400 The fact that Ancient Aliens is built off of like a grifter and hoaxer and people believe 81 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,400 that wholeheartedly. 82 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Yeah. 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,720 Which I guess is a good segue into what we're going to be talking about. 84 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,280 No, but you continue, I need to know. 85 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:51,840 So okay, so a long story short, and I can kind of tell you the details later, someone 86 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:58,440 that we both know met this person at like an event that he was speaking at. 87 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Okay. 88 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,520 And went up to get like an autograph and stuff. 89 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:11,080 And if my memory serves correctly, like got that guy's number and actually ended up like 90 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:18,080 talking back and forth with them for a while. 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,840 But apparently you get a little weird. 92 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:21,840 You don't fucking say. 93 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:29,200 Tell me the Ancient Alien guy is a little weird. 94 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:38,480 I will say I have seen a picture of the Ancient Alien guy taking a selfie, flexing his biceps 95 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,480 and back muscles. 96 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,480 Dude, he's kind of jacked, dude. 97 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,560 It's fucked up. 98 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,840 Like that dude, if you even said the wrong thing about aliens, he could fuck your world 99 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:53,840 up. 100 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:54,840 It was so wild. 101 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,000 I'm shocked you never heard about this. 102 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:03,360 I could tell you probably a little more details that I know off the record. 103 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,360 I just want to know who the personal acquaintance is off the record. 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,280 I want to know who it is, but we'll get to that. 105 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,480 But anyways, Ancient Aliens is a good segue into what we're going to be talking about. 106 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,720 Like I said, it's going to be cryptid hoaxes. 107 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Do you know of any that you can think of that have come to light? 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:23,480 Like full blown stuff that's been proven to have been like a hoax. 109 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,600 Yeah, because I want to know if this episode is going to be short because you've already 110 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,560 heard all these. 111 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,040 I mean, there's like certain stuff, you know, like people say they found like Bigfoot tracks 112 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,760 and stuff and it's just a guy who's out there with molds on his feet, you know, casting. 113 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,760 Yeah. 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Or like, not Bigfoot, but other types of weird stuff like, oh, like crop circles. 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,320 Like remember the fucking, you just flatten it with like a piece of wood and a couple 116 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,600 of strings and you're like, boom, crops. 117 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,600 Yeah. 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,600 Yeah. 119 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,600 It's not rocket science. 120 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,340 Yeah, no, I didn't include crop circles on this. 121 00:06:57,340 --> 00:06:59,400 But I think, I think we have some pretty good stuff. 122 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,400 All right. 123 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,400 So you ready to dive into this shit? 124 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Oh yeah. 125 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Okay. 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:09,200 So first of all, I think it's safe to say that cryptozoology is kind of like a weird 127 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,880 type of, I guess, quote unquote science. 128 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Sorry, everyone. 129 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Uh, basis, basically what it is, is that like researchers are looking for evidence of creatures 130 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,360 that may or may not exist. 131 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,360 And even the evidence that they do find might mean everything or nothing. 132 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Like depending on how hard you believe in whatever it is you think the evidence proves 133 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,280 and how you present it and what you present it as. 134 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,840 It's a lot of really just like wishful thinking and blind faith when it comes to cryptozoologists. 135 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:41,480 I mean, there's really no, uh, there's really no like baseline established for what evidence 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,480 could be evidence. 137 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,120 Like, and I don't even know where it started. 138 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,080 Like one cryptozoologist found like a dried out elk shit in the woods and then that is 139 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Bigfoot scat. 140 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,000 And now every time someone goes out into the woods and sees it, like that's Bigfoot scat. 141 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,440 It could just be a lot of weirdness, but we're going to get. 142 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,160 I think it started around like with just folklore, you know, like people telling stories around 143 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,160 the campfire. 144 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,720 Well, I know how cryptozoology started. 145 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,040 I'm talking about talking about like the evidence they found that they find and what people 146 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,920 who find it today, like why they think that's the proof. 147 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,920 Yeah. 148 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Yeah. 149 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,920 Gotcha. 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,760 So like, there's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to the evidence for cryptozoology, 151 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,920 uh, tracks, poop, hair, that kind of shit. 152 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,920 But since there is that such like that wide margin of like what it could and what it couldn't 153 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:32,360 be, it leaves a lot of room for, uh, grifters, you know, whatever you want to call it to 154 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,640 like come in and feed off of like their naivete. 155 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,200 I don't want to call it naivete. 156 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,160 That's kind of shitty, but like their blind faith in that what they're seeing is what 157 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,160 it is. 158 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,160 It's, it's naivete. 159 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Fear, fear plays a lot into it. 160 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,840 Yeah, I guess. 161 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,880 But this also doesn't just go for like cryptozoology. 162 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:55,000 It also goes for like spectrology, which is the study of ghosts and ufology as well. 163 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Um, but today I thought it would be fun to go over some of the more massive hoaxes in 164 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,080 the cryptozoology and spectrology world. 165 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,560 We're not going to go into ufology because I don't fucking care about aliens. 166 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,760 I mean I do, but like not right now. 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,160 Uh, so the first- 168 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,160 They're already here. 169 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 They're under the ocean. 170 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,520 They're, they're in the earth. 171 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,520 I already went over this. 172 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:17,520 Yep. 173 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,240 All right, so the first thing we're going to be talking about today is the surgeon's 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,480 photo. 175 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Are you familiar with the surgeon's photo? 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,480 Uh, possibly. 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,760 I mean, I've seen a lot of like photo, photo debunks over time. 178 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:30,760 Yeah. 179 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,960 So the Loch Ness monster has been pretty much a staple in the cryptozoology world pretty 180 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,960 much for forever. 181 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:42,220 It was first sighted in the 1930s and since then Nessie has been reported seen literally 182 00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:44,360 hundreds of times since then. 183 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,360 And a lot of the economy in the area is driven by tourists and cryptid hunters alike visiting 184 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,040 the area in hopes of just like catching a glimpse or a photo of the lake monster. 185 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:58,840 But in 1934, the Daily Mail had published a photo captured by a man named Dr. Robert 186 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,580 Kenneth Wilson that at the time and probably to this day, it is the clearest photographic 187 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:06,600 evidence of the Loch Ness monster. 188 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,680 I mean, I'm sure you've seen it. 189 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,120 It's like the, it's like perfectly framed clearest. 190 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,120 I'll see. 191 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,120 I've seen that one. 192 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Yeah. 193 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,120 I'll send it to you. 194 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,120 I'll send it to you. 195 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,600 But yeah, so it was like a silhouette and it's just fucking like chilling. 196 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Like no one's. 197 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,840 But that photo for almost 60 years was pretty much like proof positive that something was 198 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,840 living in the lake. 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Yes. 200 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,840 I've absolutely seen that photo. 201 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:29,840 Yeah. 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:36,240 But that isn't until 1994 when a man named Christopher Sperling came out and just straight 203 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,520 up admitted that it was all a hoax and that he had been involved in it. 204 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,000 And this is his story. 205 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,440 So Sperling was actually the son of a famous big game hunter named wait for it. 206 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Marmaduke Wetheral who had been hired by the Daily Mail to hunt down the Loch Ness monster. 207 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,800 Sperling went on to explain that Marmaduke hired him to make a model of the creature's 208 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,880 head and neck and back and to fix it to the back of a model submarine. 209 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,240 They took the photo, cropped the fuck out of it so that they, so that way you couldn't 210 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,160 see anything as far as like anything to like scale for reference or anything like that. 211 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:22,800 And they had they had Dr. Robert Kenneth Wilson give the photo to the press because they believed 212 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:28,680 that his reputation as a doctor, more people were prone to believe him and what he saw. 213 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:31,120 And like I said, they did for like 60 fucking years. 214 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,320 And for some reason today, like some, if not a lot actually, still believe to this day 215 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,600 that that photo is legit, which fucking blows my mind. 216 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Oh, I mean, yeah, it happens all the time. 217 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:53,720 You can literally put undeniable evidence right in the front of someone's face and they'll 218 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,040 just be like, no, I don't care. 219 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,040 Yeah. 220 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,920 It's because it will shatter their worldview of what they believe is real. 221 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Of course. 222 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,600 It's like talking to any religious person. 223 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Yeah, because it's kind of weird like that. 224 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,800 It's just like the blind faith that everything is so real that if you even come like just 225 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,400 a little bit, be like, that might not be what you think it is. 226 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Like, fuck you. 227 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Georgia. 228 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,760 Georgia, you know, Georgia, a souk is going to beat you up for that. 229 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:28,360 I'm not going to be surprised if we see more and more sort of cryptid stories and things 230 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,360 along those lines. 231 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:37,920 We've got to get out the development and video production, our AI, all that stuff. 232 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:45,000 With everything on the internet being thrown, especially with the population getting older, 233 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:51,200 old people would believe that some very, this is disparaging towards old people. 234 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Like, I've fallen for plenty of stuff myself. 235 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,240 But let's be real here. 236 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,880 They click on a lot more bad links than we do. 237 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,640 I mean, you already see that shit all over TikTok. 238 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,440 Like fucking just shit gets sped around like craziest fact in its wild. 239 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,920 Like the Miami mall alien shit that was going around for a while. 240 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,720 That fucking jellyfish UFO thing flying around the military base. 241 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,440 Like people just want to believe what they want to believe. 242 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,440 That Miami mall thing. 243 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,720 One of my friends called me shortly after that and was like convinced. 244 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,240 That there was aliens. 245 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,480 Really real and a government cover up. 246 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Is this the same person that had a relationship with Georgio Asouglis? 247 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,440 No, no, that would be hilarious though. 248 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,240 That would be fucking great. 249 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,880 But yeah, that was just kind of listening. 250 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,880 I was like, what? 251 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:49,800 I was like, there's at least, you know, in the span of that area, what the hundreds of 252 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:55,560 cameras, like closed circuit cameras, the hundreds, if not thousands of people with 253 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:59,480 phones like everywhere and there's nothing. 254 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Yeah. 255 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Yeah. 256 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:09,480 It's just shows like the power of, you know, storytelling, I guess maybe in social media 257 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,480 or something. 258 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Well, I don't know. 259 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaking of the power of storytelling, the next story is pretty much based off these 260 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,220 people's ability to sell their own story. 261 00:14:18,220 --> 00:14:23,320 So the next hoaxers, I guess we're going to talk about is Ed and Lorraine Warren. 262 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,680 Are you familiar with them? 263 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:29,840 It sounds familiar, but it's not ringing a bell right off the top of my head. 264 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,960 So everyone listening should be familiar with Ed and Lorraine Warren. 265 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,320 They're easily two of the most famous paranormal researchers in the world. 266 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,600 Second only to Zach Baggins. 267 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,960 Shout out Ghost Adventures crew. 268 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:46,200 If you're unfamiliar, some of their stories were made into wildly popular horror movies. 269 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,200 They weren't good horror movies, but they are widely popular. 270 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,200 The Conjuring, Hunting in Connecticut, Annabelle. 271 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,200 Yeah. 272 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,240 I know who you're talking about now. 273 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,080 They even helped cleanse the Amityville Horror House for whatever. 274 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,080 But what if I told you, nah, man, just nah. 275 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,280 Just nah, they didn't do any of that. 276 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,520 Well, see, Ed and Lorraine were just like straight up grifters who were just really 277 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 good at selling their own legend. 278 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,120 Kind of like Alex Jones or those people that sell like doomsday prepper food and shit like 279 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,120 that. 280 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,120 They would just. 281 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,120 Yeah. 282 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,040 Lorraine, not a psychic and Ed was a self proclaimed demonologist in exorcist. 283 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Like no, like it's just fucking silly. 284 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,120 But there's a shit ton of evidence of them being fraud. 285 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,120 So for this section, I'm just going to rattle off a few of them. 286 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Number one, they claim to have investigated over 10,000 cases in their lifetime. 287 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:47,000 So quick math says that if they investigated a case a day, it would take almost 28 years 288 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,240 to investigate all of them, including weekends. 289 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,960 That's even but but that's such a dumb lie to begin with. 290 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,440 But according to their own books and stories, some of their investigations took multiple 291 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,200 days to months to resolve. 292 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Ed also had a day job as a bus driver. 293 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,600 They were raising a child. 294 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,920 They wrote several books and made numerous television appearances as well as running 295 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,560 a museum out of their home. 296 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,760 So I don't know how they would find the time to investigate fucking 10,000 cases. 297 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,960 So that one alone is just like, nah, dude, ghost man that they they had they had clones 298 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,960 of themselves. 299 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,160 That's going to be the new thing that's going to come out. 300 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Sorry. 301 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,880 So number two, they were involved in the Amityville Horror House haunting, which itself was also 302 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,840 proven to be a hoax. 303 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Some evidence of this is that the Lutz family claim to have found a demonic hoof print in 304 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,120 the snow. 305 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,240 Weather records at the time show there was no snow that time of year. 306 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,520 They claims that all the doors had extensive damages and were like broken open. 307 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,600 Yet all the original doors, hinges and knobs were untouched. 308 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,680 They claim they called the police during their 28 demonic attack, the 28 day demonic attack. 309 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,360 But records show they never did not even once. 310 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:07,040 And then also, Ronnie DeFeo Jr.'s attorney publicly stated that the whole haunting story 311 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,240 was made up by Jay Anson, the guy who wrote the book that later turned it into the movie. 312 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:18,760 George and Kathy Lutz and Ed and Lorraine Warren, all of them were involved in cooking 313 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,920 up this fucking fake ass story just to sell their own fucking legend. 314 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,720 Number three, I don't know. 315 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,720 They still get more. 316 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,400 I'm sure the list goes on forever, but I got a couple more for you. 317 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,000 The Conjuring 2, that movie, the storyline is based off the Enfield Poltergeist story 318 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,240 and even the family that was involved with that were caught faking evidence. 319 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,720 And as for Ed and Lorraine's involvement, they showed up uninvited, hung out for about 320 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,680 half a day and then left. 321 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,400 Unlike in the movie where they were part of the whole, like it was their shit. 322 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,400 You know what I mean? 323 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,400 Yeah. 324 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:57,400 Yeah. 325 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,800 I've seen like all these movies too. 326 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,800 Yeah. 327 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:00,800 They're all trash. 328 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,800 The haunting of Connecticut was pretty cool, but I don't know. 329 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,840 And number four, Annabelle the haunted doll, they ripped that story straight from a Twilight 330 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,440 episode that aired seven years before they even met Annabelle the doll, AKA they just 331 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,760 made it up whole cloth. 332 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,200 They just ripped a whole storyline from a TV show and used it as their own. 333 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,840 And like you said, the list goes on and on. 334 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,960 There's actually a documentary out on Netflix now called The Devil Made Me Do It. 335 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,440 It's about a dude who murdered his girlfriend and claimed he was possessed by the devil. 336 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Obviously he wasn't, but they were heavily involved in that story too. 337 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,680 Pretty much Ed and Lorraine Warren just suck super hard. 338 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,680 The grifter. 339 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,640 I mean, they're not still around anymore. 340 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,640 Are they still alive? 341 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,640 No. 342 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,640 I think Lorraine might be. 343 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,720 I know Ed is dead, I believe. 344 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,480 But even like there was one, I think it was like during like the haunting of Connecticut 345 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:04,400 story or whatever, like the people that were haunted actually were denied an exorcism from 346 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,080 one church, but we were granted it from another church and the priest who went there, he was 347 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,920 like, yeah, this Ed guy is fucking full of shit. 348 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Even like the priest is like, fuck this guy. 349 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,080 He's like, he doesn't know shit. 350 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,720 You know when the priest like, he's got his own grift going and he's going to get a donation 351 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,720 at the end of it. 352 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,880 Like, I can't even deal with this dipshit over here. 353 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,500 So apparently he would like that priest would go to their lectures and when either of them 354 00:19:30,500 --> 00:19:35,720 noticed that he was in the crowd, they would like tone down like their stories a bit. 355 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:42,000 So he started going to, he started going to their lectures in disguises so that he could 356 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,560 like catch them in their lives. 357 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,880 Like not gonna lie, it's pretty funny, but it's pretty good. 358 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,960 But yeah, no, fuck those dudes. 359 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,640 The stuff and fun, the stuff and fun you could have before the internet was around. 360 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Dude, you could get away with so much stuff back then. 361 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:58,800 It was wild. 362 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,800 Anything. 363 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,920 And if you got caught, you could usually just go to a couple of towns over or a new state, 364 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:11,560 especially in the US, you know, considering how big this country is. 365 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Oh yeah, it's wild. 366 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,320 You just go anywhere and keep, keep the con going. 367 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:21,760 The fact that they, did they ever get any charges or anything? 368 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,760 No. 369 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,760 Like against them? 370 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,560 I don't think they actually technically did anything, did anything illegal. 371 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,040 No, they just fucking preyed on fucking people and made up shit left and right. 372 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,440 That's all they did. 373 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,880 Cause they're fucking pieces of shit. 374 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,720 You got ghosts in your blood. 375 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,600 Better buy this, better buy an Ed and Lorraine t-shirt right here. 376 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,600 Yeah, pretty much. 377 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,480 I mean, I don't know if they had merch, but if they did, I kind of fucking want it besides 378 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,480 books. 379 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,880 Oh, they, they definitely, they definitely had merch. 380 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,480 They had it in the back of their van whenever they were leaving the place. 381 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,280 They're like a cross-punk band. 382 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:06,600 They're sound like Ed and Lorraine patches and like, what a fanny packs. 383 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,880 He's like, he's like recorded DIY exorcisms onto cassettes and just duplicated them and 384 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,880 hands them out. 385 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,880 Like, yeah, whenever you're fucking ready. 386 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,880 All right. 387 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,880 You ready to move on to the next story? 388 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,160 You just explained like, you just explained like every noise artist in Brooklyn right 389 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,160 now. 390 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,160 That's pretty accurate. 391 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,160 All right. 392 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,400 So the next story in our last story is the Georgia Bigfoot. 393 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,880 You might actually remember this one. 394 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:35,840 In 2008, two men from Clayton County, Georgia named Rick Dyer and Matt Witten claimed they 395 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,220 were hiking through the woods when they stumbled upon the corpse of a Bigfoot, not wanting 396 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:42,640 to assume, leave any money on the table. 397 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,760 The two men carried the dead Sasquatch through the woods and back to one of their homes. 398 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,440 I don't know whose home it was, but then they shoved it into a chest freezer. 399 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,480 After a, after a couple of days, they made a, tell me it was just a big fat hairy guy. 400 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,120 No, but just wait. 401 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,600 After a couple of days, they made a YouTube video talking about their discovery and showing 402 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,600 it off. 403 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,780 They also reached out to a man named Steve Kulls, AKA the Sasquatch detective to come 404 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:12,720 and verify and check it out. 405 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,800 Kulls along with him, brought along with him a man named Tom Biscardi, self-proclaimed 406 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:23,320 cryptozoologist, and what one source described as a quote, known charlatan. 407 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,200 So that's not good. 408 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,920 The group plan to officially reveal. 409 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Bad start. 410 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,920 What? 411 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,920 Bad start? 412 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,840 I was saying, well, if you already, if you already had known charlatan in your bio of 413 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,320 your job description or what are your profile. 414 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Yeah, it's not ideal. 415 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,720 All right. 416 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,680 So the group plan to officially reveal the news to the public on the 1st of September 417 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,360 with Biscardi claiming that they had DNA of the creature sent off to a lab to be analyzed 418 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:59,280 by a man named Dr. Kurt Nelson and that the DNA came back as a hybrid of human and ape 419 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,040 genetics. 420 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:07,000 And for only 11 million dollars, Biscardi would release the autopsy footage of the beast, 421 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,680 which I guess was just him like chipping away at it. 422 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,680 I guess. 423 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,680 I don't know. 424 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,680 That's such an obscene amount of money. 425 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,920 Why is the number so, why am so high? 426 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Why 11 million? 427 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,440 He probably could have like got like a hundred thousand or something. 428 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Some news agency would have bet. 429 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,000 You didn't have to go so high. 430 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,480 Yeah. 431 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,720 It's like he should have just aimed so much lower and, you know, like conned a bunch of 432 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,920 local news stations and timed it all at the same time, so just released all the footage 433 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,360 and got the checks or whatever. 434 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,760 You could have made this work for you. 435 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,800 And I don't know why he just like, I don't know how they came to that number. 436 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,520 I don't know how they evaluated the one hundred million dollars. 437 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,520 Super Austin Powers. 438 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,320 Like it's fucking bonkers. 439 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Now as you, as we've kind of already pointed out, the fact that this man, Biscardi, the 440 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,360 fact that he was involved was already shooting up like a shit ton of red flags. 441 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:15,240 He's already known as a charlatan and he's asking for 11 million dollars for big foot 442 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,520 autopsy footage. 443 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,520 Did he ask just anyone? 444 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,160 Did he just throw it out there as like a bounty or something or a reverse bounty, whatever? 445 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,600 I think, I don't think he, I honestly don't know how he announced that he wanted that 446 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,600 much money. 447 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:39,400 I honestly, but Jamie, it was when they released this photo of the creature in the chest freezer 448 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,440 that like real cryptozoologists like had a fucking field day. 449 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,600 And I'm going to send you this photo because it's fucking silly as shit. 450 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,880 All right. 451 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,360 What it looks like something. 452 00:24:55,360 --> 00:25:01,240 It looks like a dead coyote at a mass they bought from party city or something. 453 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,880 No, like I said, they had a fucking field. 454 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200 Like they tore him apart. 455 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Lauren Coleman, the guy who runs the Cryptozoology Museum up in Portland, Maine, him and the 456 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,760 followers on his forum picked that photo to shreds and were even able to narrow down exactly 457 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,400 what big foot costume they bought and used for that photo. 458 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Oh my God. 459 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,800 That's incredible. 460 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600 It's fucking wild. 461 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,760 But needless to say, when they held their big press conference to reveal the specimen, 462 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:40,440 the media that showed up was less than nice and were basically just there to shit on them. 463 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,360 I fucking love that so much. 464 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:44,360 That's so fun. 465 00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:45,360 Oh my God. 466 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,440 I think again, they shot too high, right? 467 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,440 They shot too. 468 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,200 And they could have, they could have kept it hush hush gone to like some report, a couple 469 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,960 different reporters, you know, I'm like, listen, I've got this. 470 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Your company is going to, they blew it. 471 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,320 They really blew it. 472 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840 But dude, it's such a missed opportunity on their part. 473 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,880 Like it's fucking so dumb. 474 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,920 Like why would you do that? 475 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,240 It's like they went to play roulette at the casino and instead of getting, you know, at 476 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,480 least a 50% win betting on red or black, they just put it on double zero. 477 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,760 No chance of getting it. 478 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,720 You're like, we're going to get rich off of this right here. 479 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,280 It's, they just taken the... 480 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,160 I mean, props on them for like shooting their shot. 481 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,920 They really tried and they really thought it was, you know... 482 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,440 I mean, what, I mean really what's the worst that could happen? 483 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,440 What happened to them? 484 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,440 What's the best that could happen? 485 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,440 They were $11 million richer. 486 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,440 Yeah. 487 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,080 That's, that's something I always said when I used to like work in sales and stuff like 488 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,080 that. 489 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,800 I was like, what's the worst thing about asking someone or trying to like make a sale? 490 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,800 They say no. 491 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Then you're in like the exact same spot you were to begin with. 492 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Exactly. 493 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,400 So yeah, they shot, they shot their shot. 494 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,400 They did. 495 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,400 Like they want to... 496 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:06,760 They missed wildly, but they fucking, they fucking bricked it, but it is what it is, 497 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,760 man. 498 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,000 I kind of applaud them for it. 499 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000 That's yeah. 500 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,520 Where are these guys based out of? 501 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,520 Did it say? 502 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,520 It's Georgia. 503 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Obviously. 504 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,880 I mean, I don't, I, well that's where the two dudes who quote unquote claimed they found 505 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,880 the Bigfoot car. 506 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,680 I don't know where this fucking Grifter and the Sasquatch detective are from. 507 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,440 I don't care, but, but good on them. 508 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,700 I applaud them. 509 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,440 From all different parts of the land. 510 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,440 They really are. 511 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,320 Grifters come in all shapes, sizes, multiple pairs of feet. 512 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,320 Jesus Christ. 513 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,320 All right. 514 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,600 So, but there you have it, Jamie. 515 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,000 There's just a few examples of some of the bigger hoaxes that have been known in the 516 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000 paranormal world. 517 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,160 What do you, what do you think? 518 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,520 How are you feeling? 519 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,120 I think we should make our own. 520 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,360 I mean, it's pretty easy. 521 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:02,400 I was, I wanted to, I want, I wanted to do a fake episode about a lake monster and Lake 522 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,680 Winnipeg, Nicknamed Winnie. 523 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,680 Yeah. 524 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,440 But it turns out Winnie is already maybe a thing. 525 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,560 It's like, there's no one thinks as a monster there, but they kind of already just made 526 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,440 up a monster. 527 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,440 I think it is. 528 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,440 Yeah. 529 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,120 And they put it on like key chains and stuff and sell it at the. 530 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:19,120 But I think I'm going to do it anyways. 531 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,400 I think it'd be funny to see if anyone says anything. 532 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,960 We could, we could absolutely just like make our own and just go, you know, dude, just 533 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,760 take some random pictures, you know, whatever. 534 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,240 It's anything. 535 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,240 That's all it takes. 536 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,480 Like I could, I could take a blurry photo of like my dog's shit in the corner of my 537 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:50,440 backyard and be like, this is a new, this is a new species right here. 538 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,440 I'd buy it. 539 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,440 Let's do it. 540 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Let's get on it. 541 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,440 Let's, let's do it. 542 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,440 Just see how far we can go with it. 543 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,440 That'd be great. 544 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,240 Like just to see if we can make anyone believe that it's real. 545 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,760 Kind of like the time that I think one of us was going to try to run for mayor in the 546 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,440 town that we were living in just to see how, how far, do you remember that? 547 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,960 Wasn't that just both of us? 548 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,960 Or was it you? 549 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,760 You were going to do it, right? 550 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,560 I think some people were trying to convince me and other people. 551 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,640 I think we were about to do it at one point just to see, you know, if it could actually 552 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,640 happen. 553 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,640 It costs money. 554 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,520 Money we didn't have at the time. 555 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,520 It's stupid. 556 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:33,400 And I, I haven't had to work with the government and anything from city council to other crazy 557 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,400 stuff. 558 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,400 It's the worst. 559 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,400 Yeah. 560 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,400 It all sounds bad. 561 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,400 It's the, yeah. 562 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,400 All right, man. 563 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,400 Well that comes to the end of the episode. 564 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440 Thank you for coming on. 565 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,680 I appreciate you. 566 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:44,680 Yeah. 567 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,680 Thanks brother. 568 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,440 Is there anything you want to say plug? 569 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,240 Oh, not too much right now. 570 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:57,640 Again, like he said earlier, props to Ben and flight coffee and Dover for keeping some, 571 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:08,000 a real music scene alive in a place that's becoming more and more of just a free fabricated 572 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000 stupid city. 573 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Yeah. 574 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,520 It's, Dover's not ideal anymore, but yeah, definitely go, go check out a fly coffee in 575 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,520 Dover, New Hampshire. 576 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,840 If you ever, if anyone listening is in and around the area, if you want, oh, you could 577 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,080 also follow me on Instagram at crypto cocktail. 578 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440 Follow me on Tik TOK crypto cocktail party. 579 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,440 We have a Patreon. 580 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,600 I don't really do much with it, but if you want to donate to it, it's $5 a month. 581 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,720 You know, maybe I'll get around to putting stuff out there. 582 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,640 We also have a discord server. 583 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,080 It's so lonely in there. 584 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Please join the discourse. 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,840 There's a link in my bio. 586 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,760 I didn't even know you had a discord. 587 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Exactly. 588 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,760 All right, man. 589 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,600 Well with that, do you want to say goodbye to everyone? 590 00:30:49,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Bye everyone.