1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we 2 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,600 have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 3 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,920 I'm your host Dave and today I'm joined by a very old friend, John Manning aka Ging. 4 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,920 How's it going man? 5 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,760 Oh it's going man, you know, I'm alive. 6 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,760 How you doing? 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,240 I'm doing just dandy, I'm alive as well, but my life was never in question. 8 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,480 Yours was there for a hot minute though. 9 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:52,880 But no, I'm glad you're here, I'm glad you're doing good. 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,880 It's good to see you. 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,880 Yeah, it's good to be here. 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 I can imagine. 13 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:06,400 So me and John, Ging, do you still go by Ging or am I like fucking way in the past? 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,040 It depends on the company, honestly. 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Most of the time people, you know, friends like you, yeah, still go by Ging. 16 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,480 Yeah, in professional settings probably not so much. 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,480 It obviously works in everything, yes. 18 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:20,480 Yeah. 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,000 So I've known you for probably, oh god, it's gotta be coming up close to almost 20 years. 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 I think so, yeah, probably. 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Rough, kinda right. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 It's been a long time. 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It's been a hot minute. 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Yeah. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,440 But we haven't really spoken in a while, that's probably not me, I'm bad at being a friend. 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Oh dude, I am too. 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I think it's like the perfect collision of both of us sucking at it. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 Yeah. 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,160 But we've also had one of those friendships where even if we haven't spoken in like a 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,460 few years, like when we do get together, it's always been kind of like no time has ever 31 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:53,480 really passed I guess. 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,880 A lot of shit's changed, but like the camaraderie I feel is there. 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,800 That's why I'm really excited to do this. 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Now Ging, I do have one question for you, but before I ask that question, I just want 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,200 you to know that the other day at work someone was telling me about a horror movie they watched 36 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,960 and they didn't tell me the name of it, but when they mentioned the scene where a girl 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,320 opens the door and a zombie punches into her stomach and rips out a fetus, you were the 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,320 first person. 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Oh my god. 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:26,880 It was a Tomataw Transfusion and I was 100% convinced that me and you were the only two 41 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,680 people on earth who had ever seen that movie. 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Dude, totally. 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,840 Oh my god. 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,200 I forgot about that one. 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,200 That was classic. 46 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,200 Oh yeah. 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,200 That was so weird. 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,520 Well yeah, we used to hang out with all those Dimension Extreme films. 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Like were they? 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Oh, they were so... 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Oh yeah. 52 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,380 I don't even think Dimension Extreme even like exists anymore as far as like cheesy B 53 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:47,380 horror movies. 54 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:49,040 I don't think they do. 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,600 And I've actually been working on taking all my DVDs and making them digital now on the 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:00,800 computer and oh man, going through some of those old titles, it's just absolutely bananas. 57 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,000 That's the stuff we used to watch. 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,640 Well dude, they told me about that movie and I was like, alright, so there's this movie 59 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:10,200 because I think me and you watched a Tomatown Transfusion and this movie in the same day. 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Maybe not, but I told them about the movie Imprint, that Japanese horror movie. 61 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,120 Oh my god. 62 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,120 With the needles in the river of fetuses. 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,200 I told them about that and they tried to tell me that that sounds more fucked up than the 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,760 punching of the zombie baby and I was like, no, they're both equally as fucked up. 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,800 Oh dude, totally. 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,120 Oh man, Imprint. 67 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,800 That was when I bought it, I only watched once. 68 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,120 I only watched that one time, I was like, I'm good. 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,120 Yeah. 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Well that was like me and the movie, what was it? 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,400 That Kevin Smith horror, oh Tusk. 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,400 I got Tusk. 73 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,000 I watched it once and I was like, I'll never watch this movie again. 74 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 Not because it was a bad movie, but because it's, maybe it's like a weird, I'm not going 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,400 to say empath thing because I think that's a dumb thing to say, but I just felt so bad 76 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,880 for Justin Long, that whole movie, that I was like, I can't watch it again. 77 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,080 Emotionally, I couldn't watch it again. 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Oh shit. 79 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Oh man. 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:10,360 I just want to let you know that someone brought up a Tomatown Transfusion and I immediately 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,280 thought of you because no one talks about it. 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,920 You don't even buy a copy of it. 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:14,920 That's what I'm saying. 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,920 That's amazing. 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,640 It must be like on Shutter or something like that. 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Like it can't be on like any normal streaming service. 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:20,760 Oh true. 88 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,760 At least I don't think so. 89 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,760 I'm going to get a Shutter account. 90 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,160 I had one a long time ago and it seems like it's the best place to catch anything like 91 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,160 that. 92 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,160 Well, someone lied to me. 93 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,760 I think it was, someone told me that, like, actually I think Paramount Plus lied to me 94 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:39,240 because we got Paramount Plus through Amazon to watch, why did we get it? 95 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:46,360 Oh, we got it to watch Rise of the Pink Ladies, the Grease prequel TV show. 96 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Oh goodness. 97 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,360 It's really good. 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,360 The songs are all bangers. 99 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:57,440 But someone told me or it said in the description that you get automatic access to Shutter and 100 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,440 it didn't work. 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,440 They fucking lied to me. 102 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,680 I didn't get any of that shit. 103 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Oh what? 104 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,680 I was so mad. 105 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:03,680 I do. 106 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,160 So back to that question I was going to ask you. 107 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,120 So I know you're a horror guy, you're like a monsters guy, but are you like a cryptids 108 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,120 paranormal person? 109 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,320 I don't think we've ever really talked about it before. 110 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,000 I mean, kind of a little bit, a little bit. 111 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Skeptical but a believer. 112 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:32,440 I think it's never been like at the forefront of my knowledge or what have you, but always 113 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,080 interested in it, you know? 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,080 Yeah. 115 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,880 Is there any that you do believe in? 116 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Like if someone is like the Mothman, you'd be like, oh, I fucking believe wholeheartedly 117 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,520 on that. 118 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Cause there's some that I do and some that I just don't. 119 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,400 I don't know if I believe in it really. 120 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,160 I'm just open minded to it. 121 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,160 Yeah. 122 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Yeah. 123 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,360 I'm definitely, you know, he's skeptical of it, but I'd say it's, there's a possibility, 124 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,880 you know, the truth is out there type stuff, you know, there's, there's definitely a possibility 125 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,000 that it exists. 126 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,200 There's a, but I don't know. 127 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,520 I don't know if there's any that I'm like wholeheartedly believe. 128 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Nothing you whole hog or just like, this is it. 129 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,640 This is the one. 130 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,640 Yeah. 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,600 No, it's kind of one of those like, like could be type situations, you know? 132 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Well, I mean, we're still finding fucking shit that we thought were cryptids that like 133 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,800 dude, the fucking gorilla used to be a cryptid, the platypus, but anyways, we're getting off 134 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:24,800 topic. 135 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,800 All right. 136 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,800 Ging. 137 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Now, just like every other episode, you, you don't know what we're going to be talking 138 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,960 about today, right? 139 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,560 No, no, no clue. 140 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,360 I'm really excited about this one. 141 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,360 This one's it's not God. 142 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,240 It's not, it's not really a cryptid. 143 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,560 I don't think, I don't know what you would describe it as. 144 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:47,000 We'll get into it, but we're going to go back in time first fall. 145 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Then we're going to go across the pond. 146 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,680 We're not, we're not doing American today. 147 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:58,440 So our story today, all the way back to 1800s London, which at the time it was the largest 148 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,360 city, largest port and largest financial financial center in the world. 149 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,840 It was also pretty fucking disgusting. 150 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,880 The air was thick with sooty fogs from the numerous factories. 151 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,240 The Thames river Thames times. 152 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,360 I don't know how to pronounce Thames. 153 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,360 Thames. 154 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,360 Thames. 155 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:20,800 The Thames river was pretty much like a moving sheet of just raw human sewage and the streets 156 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:27,280 were covered in mud, quote unquote, which was just a euphemism for like more shit. 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,440 Great merchants and butchers would just throw scraps on the street. 158 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Pissing in public had become such a modern practice at the time that people started putting 159 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:40,120 up urine deflectors in the corners of alleyways that would redirect the urine onto the person's 160 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,120 shoes. 161 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:46,160 It's kind of like a hostile architecture, but for like public urination, you know what 162 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,160 I mean? 163 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:54,080 It's like, it's like that kind of concept, but disease and the constant stress of possibly 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,120 stepping on a pile of like dead cat carcasses wasn't the only thing playing, plaguing the 165 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,960 city at this time. 166 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Something or should I say someone much more sinister was happening in and around London 167 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,920 at the time. 168 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,200 Reports of a well-dressed man seen stalking the streets of London, attacking young women 169 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,760 and slashing at them with sharpened steel were being reported all around the city. 170 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,640 And no, it's not Jack the Ripper, but something possibly not of that was going to be my guess. 171 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:22,640 Yeah. 172 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,440 But today we're going to be talking about the mustachioed fire breathing parkour king 173 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,640 himself, Spring Healed Jack. 174 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,440 Are you familiar at all with Spring Healed Jack? 175 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:38,920 No, no, I've heard the term, but Spring Healed Jack, huh? 176 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,400 Now this will be a new one for me. 177 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,400 All right. 178 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,960 So Spring Healed Jack was considered a quote, the scariest boogie man in all of Victorian 179 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:51,080 England, and quote, a fire breathing devil man who could jump on naturally high, like 180 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,480 over walls, buildings, like a fire hydrant, probably. 181 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,520 He was described as tall and thin with cold and clammy clawed hands. 182 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:05,960 He was dressed in what witnesses described as a black coat, a skin tight white garment 183 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,240 and for some reason a helmet. 184 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:14,180 He was kind of like, he kind of looks like if like DC ever did like a Victorian era version 185 00:09:14,180 --> 00:09:17,080 of Batman or Daredevil, like that's what the helmet kind of looked like. 186 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Oh, okay. 187 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,080 Okay. 188 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,360 He looks like a Victorian evil, can evil over here, you know? 189 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Kind of, yeah. 190 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,800 But the most terrifying thing about him was his unnerving facial expression and that where 191 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,560 his eyes were, were just two large red glowing balls of fire. 192 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:40,400 Now during the time of the sightings, which we'll get into like in a second, Spring Healed 193 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,240 Jack's actions were, while still socially unacceptable at the time, they were considered 194 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,960 nothing more than quote wicked pranks. 195 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Today we would probably consider most of his actions as quote sexual assault and quote 196 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,760 possibly murder. 197 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:02,600 But no matter how you spin it, the dude was kind of a dickhead, if not kind of funny in 198 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,000 a way, more so in the way that he escapes his encounters. 199 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,120 All right, John, so are you ready to dive into the world of Spring Healed Jack? 200 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,120 Absolutely. 201 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Okay. 202 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,080 Now let's, let's see what this is all about. 203 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:22,940 So the first reported sighting of good old Jack occurred in October of 1837 when a servant 204 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:28,960 woman named Mary Stevens was returning to work one evening in Lavender Hill after visiting 205 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:35,480 her parents when suddenly a caped figure leaped out from a dark alleyway. 206 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,440 The figure grabbed her, attempted to give her one of the most aggressive smooches anyone's 207 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,960 ever got, and then started clawing and scratching and tearing away at her clothes with what 208 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,240 she described as a sharp metal claw. 209 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Now luckily for Mary, sort of, I mean, it all seems fucking terrible and super unlucky, no 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,160 matter how you unpack it. 211 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Her screams caught the attention of passersby who came to help. 212 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Her assailant leaped and bound over a wall in a building and then disappeared into the 213 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,240 night. 214 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,920 The good Samaritans attempted to look for Mary's attacker, but seems Spring Healed Jack 215 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,860 slipped away, never to be caught. 216 00:11:10,860 --> 00:11:16,520 The next day, this Imperial-aged kangaroo man jumped in front of a moving carriage, 217 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,200 causing the driver to swerve and then crash, and then witnesses both in the carriage and 218 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,520 on the street claim that Jack let out a bone-chilling high-pitched cackle before doing a standing 219 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,160 leap over a nine-foot wall. 220 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,160 So you know. 221 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Really? 222 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,800 Dude, he's like a cartoon villain. 223 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,800 Like it's... 224 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,160 That's all I'm picturing. 225 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,200 It's just like some like Babadook looking guy. 226 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,400 Just jumping around like crazy. 227 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:43,400 That's insane. 228 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,640 Dude, this motherfucker, like he just doesn't walk. 229 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:46,640 It's wild. 230 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:47,640 But uh... 231 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,840 Yeah, just jumps around and... 232 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Oh, that's insane. 233 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,920 Now, sightings continued on like this throughout the rest of the year, but I mean it was only 234 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,640 October so it's like a few months at best, but now, and the legend had pretty much already 235 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,640 begun to like spread around, people started claiming that he could shape-shift now into 236 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,120 like a wolf or a bear. 237 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,120 I couldn't find any... 238 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,120 Oh jeez. 239 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:16,560 I couldn't find any of those stories, but in February of 1838, Jack did switch up his 240 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:20,560 tactics because like any good prankster, you gotta adapt or people just won't fall for 241 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:21,560 your ruses anymore. 242 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:22,560 You know what I mean? 243 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:23,560 Right. 244 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:24,560 Yeah. 245 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,560 Everyone's looking for a caped guy jumping around, so gotta do something different. 246 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:27,560 Gotta switch it up. 247 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:30,920 Well, you want to know how he switched it up? 248 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,720 Let's hear it. 249 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,360 He switched it up by impersonating a police officer, which I gotta say is hilarious, because 250 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:44,320 on February 19th, 1838, a woman by the name of Jane Oslop was going about her evening 251 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,680 when her doorbell rang. 252 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:46,680 I don't... 253 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:47,680 What is a doorbell in 1838? 254 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:50,960 I'm assuming it's one of those ones that had like a little crank thing on it, because they 255 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:51,960 didn't have like electric doorbells. 256 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Oh yeah, yeah. 257 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,560 I read that and I... 258 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,560 I don't... 259 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:56,560 No. 260 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:57,560 All right. 261 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:58,560 So I'm glad we're both on the same page. 262 00:12:58,560 --> 00:12:59,560 Yeah. 263 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:00,560 It wouldn't have been at that point. 264 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:02,960 Yeah, maybe it's like some like string they pull and it, you know, like rings a bell in 265 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,960 the house or something. 266 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Well, her doorbell rang and a man outside claiming to be a police officer was yelling 267 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,600 that they had finally caught the dastardly devil known as Spring Heel Jack, but he needed 268 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,520 a lantern, a candle, some sort of light source to better see the culprit, you know, make 269 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,580 a positive identification. 270 00:13:19,580 --> 00:13:24,700 When Jane opened the door, she said that the man immediately threw off his cloak and revealed 271 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:29,900 what she described tight fitting clothes that resembled oil skin and also a quote, most 272 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:32,540 hideous and frightful appearance. 273 00:13:32,540 --> 00:13:38,080 Jack then proceeded to attack Jane, breathing blue and white flames into her face while 274 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,520 clawing at her skin and clothes with his sharp metallic fingers. 275 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,580 Jane's blood curdling screams were loud enough for Jane's sister to hear. 276 00:13:46,580 --> 00:13:50,560 And luckily she made it in time to scare off Jack before any like real harm could be done. 277 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,080 Physically, I mean, I'm sure emotionally and mentally that was probably super fucked up. 278 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,040 I mean, you didn't breathe fire in her face, so. 279 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,040 Yeah. 280 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,820 There is a fun follow up to this story. 281 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:08,280 After Jane's sister was able to scare Jack away, a man by the name of Thomas Milbank 282 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,520 was actually arrested and then tried for this attack on Jane. 283 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,360 But Jane was so insistent that her attacker could breathe fire that Thomas didn't get 284 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,800 convicted and was set free. 285 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,520 It's so good. 286 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Nice. 287 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:25,520 All right. 288 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,880 Well, where we couldn't breathe fire. 289 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:27,880 Right. 290 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,880 That's wild. 291 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,720 I mean, but hey, so where are we at right now? 292 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,080 How are you feeling about Jack? 293 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,520 I almost said Jack the Ripper, Spring Hill Jack. 294 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,240 I mean, I don't know. 295 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,240 I'm a bit skeptical. 296 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,080 Some fire breathing guy jumping around town, but I like it. 297 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,760 You're not all in on Spring Hill Jack right now? 298 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,760 No, not necessarily. 299 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,240 He seems a bit far fetched. 300 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 Well maybe this next story will change your mind on this. 301 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:04,240 Now, just a little over a week after this attack, another woman, 18 year old Lucy Scales 302 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,200 and her sister were walking home that evening from visiting their brother. 303 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,980 While in the area of Limehouse, the pair passed a finally dressed man in a cloak who was posted 304 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:13,980 up on a wall. 305 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:17,880 All like cool, like I'm assuming like a marble man, I'm assuming kind of like arms crossed, 306 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,920 one leg down, one leg up kind of thing. 307 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,080 At least in my head, that's what I thought. 308 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Oh yeah. 309 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,040 Now, as it got closer, Scales noticed his eyes were glowing red and then he breathed 310 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:33,600 blue and white flames in her face, blinding her and then causing her to seize. 311 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,720 Her sister yelled for help, causing the attacker to flee. 312 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,020 But this time he didn't like leap over trees or anything. 313 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:42,480 He just kind of shuffled off down an alley. 314 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:48,640 Now, these two attacks happened closer to like downtown London. 315 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,820 So their reports were more widely circulated than a lot of the others. 316 00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:56,120 And these women's testimonies are where we got like the gentleman Jack description that 317 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,760 you'll see if you look up any like artists rendering of Spring Hill Jack. 318 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,720 He looks like a like a very well dressed man with like a curly mustache, but like with 319 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,840 like a devil horn helmet, like almost like a low key helmet kind of thing. 320 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,840 I still don't understand the helmet. 321 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,840 Oh, nice. 322 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,740 I guess if you're jumping super high into the air, you want to be careful, you know, 323 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:17,740 it's all about. 324 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:21,480 Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's he's jumping over buildings, man. 325 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:27,400 No, and the breathing fire thing, that's that's a little bit wild. 326 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,400 Yeah, I don't know. 327 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,080 There's got to be some reason behind it or. 328 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Oh, I mean, we'll never figure it out. 329 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,440 But we'll get to some theories as to what Jack Jack could be. 330 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,240 OK, sightings and attacks like this continued for a while. 331 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,160 The Lord Mayor of London kind of shrugged off all the reports of a Claude red eyed devil 332 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,000 that could jump from roof to roof that was getting, you know, all that stuff. 333 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,800 But the police didn't. 334 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,720 They surprisingly took it kind of seriously, which I mean, for the time is kind of impressive. 335 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,360 I feel like back then, like the Bobbies in London was like, Oh, right. 336 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,160 Get the fuck out of here yet. 337 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,160 Or they blow. 338 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,040 If it's like a woman coming out, they'd be like, Oh, you're hysterical. 339 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,680 You know, I mean, so it's kind of cool that they're taking us. 340 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,680 Yeah, yeah. 341 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,680 Right. 342 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,880 I mean, they probably get like a ton of crime and a ton of like insane shit back then. 343 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,000 So for them to actually care. 344 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 That's pretty cool. 345 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,360 But maybe there's bored of all the actual murder. 346 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,080 And they were like, this is fun. 347 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,560 Like, I was looking to this once. 348 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,840 One source I read even said that the Duke of Wellington, who at this time was almost 349 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:38,640 70, he even went out armed on horseback to try and shoot this thing. 350 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,240 I kind of love awesome sightings and attacks continued even like 10, 15 years later into 351 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,120 the 1850s and 60s all over England. 352 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:54,320 Then in 1970, the citizens of Lincoln reported shooting Spring Hill Jack in the street. 353 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,160 But he just laughed and then hopped away, jumping over fences and buildings. 354 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,120 And in my head, I'm picturing this. 355 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,240 He gets shot. 356 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,640 He's jumping over the fences and buildings, but he's doing it backwards and just flipping 357 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,960 them both off, flipping them off with both hands. 358 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:17,760 Also, in my head, he talks like an old timey Batman villain, like, see, fuck you. 359 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,640 I looked up a couple pictures of him. 360 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Definitely looks like a guy who talks like that. 361 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,040 He definitely does. 362 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,480 See, Spring Hill Jack, that's coming at ya. 363 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,160 There's no way he doesn't talk like that. 364 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,160 Oh, totally. 365 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Oh, totally. 366 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,160 Just just looking at him. 367 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,160 He's definitely, definitely some old timey like, oh my God. 368 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,160 100%. 369 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:40,160 Amazing. 370 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,160 Amazing. 371 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,160 And so, right. 372 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:47,720 So also during the 1970s, like in this little stretch, the fucking English army, like the 373 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,160 British army tried to try setting up traps to catch this like eldritch tigger beast thing. 374 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,960 And now this is after an incident that occurred in August of that year at Elder Shot Barracks 375 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,200 in Surrey. 376 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,240 The story was that a guard on night watch stationed at the northern end of the camp 377 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,080 while keeping watch, he noticed a dark hooded figure out in the distance. 378 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,480 As the figure moved, the sentry recalled that he could hear just the faintest sound of like 379 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,840 metal clinking together as if the hooded figure was wearing armor. 380 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,120 As the guard yelled out like, hey, fuck you doing down there? 381 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,280 The hooded figure disappeared. 382 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,520 The guard, doing his duty, turned around to alert the others when the figure reappeared, 383 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,720 this time standing right next to him in the tower. 384 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:37,080 The figure extended its hand towards the guard who slapped it away, stating that the figured 385 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,480 hand was like ice cold. 386 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:46,600 The guard, who at this point, I'm sure is just full on shitting himself, screamed and 387 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,640 he caught the attention of some of the other soldiers on the fort. 388 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,840 Several of them came running to assist, but the phantom took a running leap off of the 389 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:59,400 guard tower to the field below and took long leaping bounds across the field until he was 390 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,840 out of sight. 391 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,360 Over the next couple of weeks, several of the soldiers claimed to have seen this hooded 392 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,880 ghoul while on night watch. 393 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,100 The fear of whatever this thing was became so real that the guards on the wall were given 394 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:17,000 extra ammunition and told to pretty much just shoot anything that moved in the night. 395 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,400 Like just open fire. 396 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,960 Needless to say, they never, they never shot or trapped him. 397 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960 So it's whatever. 398 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:31,280 But Spring Hill Jack was last seen for like the final time in 1904 and he didn't attack 399 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,280 anyone. 400 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,640 People just saw him bounding up and down the streets of Liverpool, jumping from street 401 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:41,080 to rooftop back to the street again until he vanished into the night for one last time. 402 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,680 Those, those are the sightings before we dive into like what he could be. 403 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:51,840 How did any of these make you believe more or less? 404 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Still kind of convinced. 405 00:20:53,520 --> 00:21:01,080 I mean, my guess is there was a weirdo out there and, but it's weird that a lot of people 406 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,840 do see the same things. 407 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,840 Right. 408 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,280 Like the fire and stuff. 409 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,280 So I mean, 410 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,600 I mean, a lot of people see a lot of the same stuff, but also in America, we all, everyone 411 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,080 thought people were witches for like a hot minute. 412 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,960 It could be an example of mass hysteria kind of thing, but who really knows? 413 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,720 But it does, it does get a little more interesting and I will, we'll get through some of these 414 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:30,200 little, some of these little theories before we wrap things up, I guess. 415 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,320 So like, like many, like you and a lot of listeners are probably like wondering, so 416 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,760 who was spring healed Jack? 417 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,840 Obviously, no one really knows. 418 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,960 And there are a lot of theories. 419 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,760 One being that Jack wasn't just one man, but was a group of border aristocrats at the time, 420 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,600 just trying to bring like some excitement into their lives, like at the expense of others, 421 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,800 kind of like those douchebag kids from the movie, funny games. 422 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,800 You know what I mean? 423 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,400 Like, oh yeah, like they're just so rich that they're like bored. 424 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,400 You know what I mean? 425 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,920 So they have to like, they just want to do something. 426 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Yeah. 427 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,960 Bring a little excitement into the mundane lives, which I mean, I kind of get in this 428 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,640 kind of actually ties into a theory that I have, which we'll get to at the end. 429 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,920 Others think that he may be a literal demon, like something that escaped from an otherworldly 430 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,240 realm, like some like trickster God type shit, kind of almost kind of like a Loki. 431 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Like he's just going on and fucking with people just because it's funny to him. 432 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,720 But I don't know about trickster gods to like really make that assumption. 433 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,480 Yeah. 434 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,800 This one is a good one. 435 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,720 Others claim he may be an alien and an alien. 436 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,280 Well the reason for that being is that the reason why he's able to jump so high is because 437 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,880 of the gravity strength on our planet versus the gravity strength on his planet. 438 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,640 So if he has like a higher gravity on his planet, it's almost like a Superman kind of 439 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,760 type thing, except for instead of the yellow sun being like he's the gravity here isn't 440 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,760 as strong as it is. 441 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,360 So he's able to fucking just like his leg muscles are just okay. 442 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,720 He's just fucking red. 443 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,880 He's used to like weighing like 500 pounds on his planet. 444 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,880 So he just he goes from weighing like 700 tons to like literally like 180. 445 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,560 He's like, what the fuck? 446 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,560 Yeah. 447 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,920 Man, see you look all right. 448 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,920 Okay. 449 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Now, I have my own theory about him, not who he is, but like I so my theory is that he 450 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,880 made his way to the Americas. 451 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,760 The only reason I think this is because a few months back and I don't even know if I 452 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,880 made this connection when I was doing it, but a few months back I did an episode on 453 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:54,380 Massachusetts folklore, which included a section of an entity known as the Provincetown Phantom 454 00:23:54,380 --> 00:24:00,180 or the Devil of the Dunes, who in the 1930s and 1940s attacked and terrorized the citizens 455 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:06,320 of Provincetown in almost like the exact same way, like exact same description, jumping, 456 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,120 scaring blue flames, like the whole deal. 457 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,020 So oh, really? 458 00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:13,020 Who knows? 459 00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:18,320 You know, maybe he is some sort of like timeless being, but the aristocrat thing kind of like, 460 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,160 like if it was like a board, like a group of board aristocrats in England who in like 461 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,400 the 1800s, who's to say like in the 1900s, they didn't come to America. 462 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,400 You know what I mean? 463 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,360 And like, so yeah, he got bored, started doing the same fucking shit. 464 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,000 Like this is also a time of like innovation. 465 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,560 Like they probably had some way to like shoot like a device that could shoot flame. 466 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Like maybe that's what the helmet was for. 467 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,640 Maybe it was like a hidden, you know what I mean? 468 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Like true, true, or maybe they're just shooting flames around, not like breathing fire or 469 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,080 something and people are like, like, like, it might not be coming out. 470 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,080 Out of the mouth. 471 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:59,600 But I feel like if you're in a state of panic, like you might assume it is kind of thing. 472 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,600 Exactly. 473 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Exactly. 474 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,600 Especially with all the people saying it's happening and that it, and then you see someone 475 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,600 doing it. 476 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,400 You might, you know, you might think I could see that. 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:15,040 I think, I think the board aristocrat things, probably the most likely. 478 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,500 And you know, as far as the America thing, maybe someone like heard the story and decided 479 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:23,880 to copy it or it's the same people just still fucking around like 30 years later. 480 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Oh, it's like it's almost 100 years. 481 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,080 Oh, oh, that's right. 482 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,080 Yeah. 483 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,080 Sorry. 484 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,920 But even he was still being seen like, I was assuming unaged up until the 1890s. 485 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:41,880 So like it could just be like, I don't know, maybe it's like, this is such conspiracy theory 486 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,800 about what I'm about to say, but like maybe it was like a group of aristocrats, but there's 487 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,660 like a secret organization, like the skull and bones kind of thing. 488 00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:53,120 And it's just like, it's like, uh, like the rotary club or something. 489 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,120 You know what I mean? 490 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,840 Like, but it's like a group of like weird pranksters who just assault women on the street. 491 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,560 It doesn't sound like a fun prank, but you know, it's no different than any YouTuber 492 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560 nowadays. 493 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,080 So yeah, but you know, that's wild. 494 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,080 I know. 495 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,880 I do think that I do think that the aristocrat thing kind of tracks if it's happened because 496 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,560 it's literally the same, literally the same thing in Provincetown. 497 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,360 And like I said, I don't know if I made the connection. 498 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,480 I might've made like a one-off comment saying it sounds like it, but that was before I did 499 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,360 like full research into Spring Heel Jack. 500 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,280 I didn't know he breathes fire until I did the research. 501 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Yeah. 502 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,160 That's, that's kind of a wild addition to just a guy like jumping around, Jurassic Ladies 503 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,160 breathes fire. 504 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,640 Apparently didn't really seem to hurt anyone with it, but well, he said probably she made 505 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,120 that woman have a seizure because of fucking, because the brother, that's true. 506 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,920 But I don't know if anyone died. 507 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,920 That's true. 508 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,920 Someone did. 509 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,880 I think I read that there were, he did kill someone. 510 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,760 But again, when things like this happened with like the quote unquote mass hysteria, 511 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,120 there are like always going to be like four or five, like really credible almost kind 512 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:02,440 of like stories, whether or not they're like true, they're just more credible. 513 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Then there are the ones that are like, he turned into a bear and mauled my dog to death. 514 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,280 You know what I mean? 515 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,720 Like, so you've got to kind of weed out what might sounds more plausible. 516 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:18,160 Now, do I believe that there was a Rocky and Bullwinkle villain who could jump 90 feet 517 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,760 in the air breathing fire? 518 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,760 No. 519 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:26,240 Do I believe that maybe it was some weird tinkerer aristocrat who just had like the ability to 520 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760 like who had a pogo stick or something? 521 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:36,360 I mean, like there are possibilities because if we know anything from watching CSI Miami, 522 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:42,320 it's an eyewitness testimony is very unreliable. 523 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,320 But who man? 524 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,320 True. 525 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,320 I don't know. 526 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,320 True. 527 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Also, I mean, you're talking like 18th, 19th century London. 528 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,200 I mean, I don't know what their forensics were like back then, but who knows? 529 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,200 He could have killed people. 530 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,760 He could have. 531 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Maybe he was Jack the Ripper. 532 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,360 No, I mean, they were kind of acting at the same time. 533 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,520 Yeah, true. 534 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,520 Maybe true. 535 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Maybe he killed the black Dahlia. 536 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,520 What was that? 537 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,520 I don't even know. 538 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,520 I don't know what that was. 539 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,520 It was still around. 540 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,680 It was the black that the black guy was a Jack the Ripper, was it? 541 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,280 No, that was no, no, no. 542 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,920 That was like early 20th century. 543 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,920 I don't even know anymore. 544 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,960 I don't know anything. 545 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:17,960 Yeah. 546 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Yeah. 547 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:19,960 I don't know when that was. 548 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,320 All these gruesome stories just kind of all just mishmash into my head. 549 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,360 I don't know what's going on anymore. 550 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,200 But yeah, so like I said, no one knows. 551 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,480 Maybe like he was maybe he was an alien. 552 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,280 Maybe he was a trickster guy. 553 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,880 I do like the idea of the trickster guy. 554 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,240 I mean, that's way more funny. 555 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,440 Maybe it was a demon. 556 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,440 I don't know. 557 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,800 But anyways, gang, that is the story of Spring Hill Jack. 558 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120 How are you feeling about do you have any theories of your own? 559 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,480 Is there anything you want to? 560 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:57,640 I mean, yeah, I guess my best guess for him existing would probably be the board aristocrat 561 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:05,080 type guy or something or someone who's just fucked up, some sort of like inventor slash 562 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,800 mental patient type person. 563 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,800 I don't know. 564 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,800 It could have happened. 565 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,280 The aristocrat thing does seem like the most plausible thing. 566 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:18,480 I do like the idea of a group of aristocrats because I feel like I feel like we've heard 567 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,840 those stories before, but in real life. 568 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,360 You know what I mean? 569 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,360 Maybe not as like this, but like even like look at like the story of like Elizabeth Bathory. 570 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Like she was technically an aristocrat and she fucking bathed in the blood of fucking 571 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,840 to be young again. 572 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:40,520 Like I'm not saying this is on the same level as that, but no, no, but yeah, but definitely 573 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,520 still kind of fucked up. 574 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,120 And it didn't in like it's not like he was like a mass murderer or anything. 575 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,840 It seems like someone who is just like, I don't know, having some sort of sick good 576 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,840 time, I guess. 577 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,960 Yeah, we're not condoning what he did. 578 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,320 It was fucked up no matter what. 579 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120 No, no, yeah, totally, totally. 580 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,960 But what's fucked up is that every source I read is like he was a trickster or a prankster. 581 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,440 I'm like he's full on assaulting these women. 582 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,440 That's not fun. 583 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,440 Like that's not a prank. 584 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,600 Yeah, you can't really just chalk it up to, oh, he's just having a good time. 585 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,920 It's like, yeah, it's kind of a pretty fucking terrible thing. 586 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Every article was basically like boys will be boys. 587 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Am I right? 588 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,280 You know, that's like, no, man, this is not good. 589 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,280 He wasn't a boy. 590 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600 He had a mustache that was twirls and everything. 591 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,600 Oh, yeah. 592 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,640 He was a pretty wonderful looking dude. 593 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,960 He was a full grown man. 594 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,160 This isn't boys being boys. 595 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,160 Oh, yeah. 596 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,160 Full on assault. 597 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,160 But yeah, totally. 598 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,080 No, I don't know. 599 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,280 I think could have happened. 600 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760 Definitely probably not like lived 100 years. 601 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,680 I imagine other people may have just done similar things. 602 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,680 But yeah, you never know. 603 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,400 But it could be like one of those things like maybe someone took on the mantle of and then 604 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,120 they'll because the promised not fans and did say people said he wore like a silver 605 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,880 mask, but that could also be like the helmet kind of thing. 606 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080 You know, I mean, like, I don't know. 607 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,520 People back then were all fucking high on opium and didn't know and drink water. 608 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,440 You couldn't drink water back then. 609 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440 So they're all fucked up from whiskey and beer. 610 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,480 It was the only way to purify anything back then. 611 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Just an entire country full of whiskey and opium and yeah, you never you never want to 612 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,640 end up with stuff like that. 613 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,520 And if you watch any period piece ever, no one, no one's drinking water. 614 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,000 It's wine, beer or whiskey. 615 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:40,760 They're probably just having withdrawals from fucking not having like. 616 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Like oh, man, I didn't take my cocaine from my toothache this morning. 617 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,800 Now I'm flipping out. 618 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,440 Oh, all right, man. 619 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760 Well, wild times, wild times. 620 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,760 I think that was a good story. 621 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600 I think I think it was that was fun, right? 622 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,600 I think we did. 623 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,600 Yeah, that was a good time. 624 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Yeah, I like it. 625 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,600 I like it. 626 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,280 It was definitely interesting. 627 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,720 Didn't really know much about this guy. 628 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,960 And I feel like no one really does. 629 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:10,360 I feel like the name gets like he was mentioned in an episode of the Jackie Chan Adventures, 630 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,680 if you remember that show. 631 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,520 Oh, the animated series. 632 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,600 That's a deep hole. 633 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,720 There's a there's a there's a coffee company called Spring Hill Jack Coffee, which makes 634 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,720 really good coffee. 635 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,720 So you're into that. 636 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:30,640 But yeah, he's kind of like a lesser known kind of guy, which is kind of cool, I guess. 637 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,640 Yeah. 638 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,360 Which is what I try to do on the show. 639 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,360 I try. 640 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,520 I save big hitters for like like the big crypt is when I want to do like a multi part series. 641 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,800 But those get boring. 642 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,160 Everyone gets hyped for the first episode. 643 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080 And by the third one, they're like, I'm sick of fucking listening about the mouth. 644 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,600 But I mean, well, thank you so much for joining me. 645 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,080 Do you want to do you want to plug anything? 646 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,680 Like, do you want people like follow you on Instagram or anything? 647 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,080 Do you have a do you have an Instagram just for your 3D printing or anything like that? 648 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,920 No, no, I actually don't really post much of anything on Instagram. 649 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280 So no, I don't really have anything to plug. 650 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,080 I'm just just a normie. 651 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,840 You know, well, it sucks to suck, nerd. 652 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,800 I don't know. 653 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,240 It's been fun. 654 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,240 All right. 655 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,600 But yeah, so don't follow Ging on any social media, but you could follow us on Instagram 656 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,160 at Cryptic Cocktail. 657 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Follow us on TikTok at Cryptic Cocktail Party. 658 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,640 We have a Patreon if you want to subscribe to it. 659 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,640 It's five dollars a month. 660 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,880 I do not post on there ever. 661 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,320 And I feel really bad for Mark, who is the one patron that I do have. 662 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,320 I'm sorry. 663 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,320 I will get to doing stuff. 664 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,440 It was a Discord server and it's very lonely in there. 665 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,680 I'm talking to basically myself when I post some Discord. 666 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,640 But yeah, with that, Ging, would you like to say goodbye to the audience? 667 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:10,280 Goodbye, everyone.