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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we

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have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown.

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I'm your host Dave and today I'm joined by, I don't know, tattoo artist and I guess purveyor

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of the paranormal, I guess.

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Joshua Belange, I don't know, how would you?

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Does that work?

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Yeah, I mean, that's as good an intro as any.

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I've been loved all this stuff since I was a teenager, you know, I'm sure that's when

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you got into this stuff too.

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So I just loved all this stuff, the paranormal, and the but like for some fucking weird reason,

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the Hellmouth Instagram took off with being a UFO page and I was like, I don't know why,

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but I guess I'll just lean into it.

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So screw it.

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Well, I mean, I guess that's kind of good because you don't know what we're talking

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about today, right?

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Nope.

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All right.

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Well, this kind of falls into that category.

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So all right.

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You know, I don't know.

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I guess my first question for you is you ever been to Wisconsin?

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I've driven through, I've done multiple cross country trips.

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Nothing, nothing, nothing solid.

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Nothing solid.

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Well, today we'll be heading to the heartland of America, which is Polk County, Wisconsin,

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home to 10 villages, 24 towns and 25 unincorporated townships.

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Polk County is basically your average rural farming community.

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We've got a ton of those up where we're from in New Hampshire and Maine, especially the

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further up you go into Maine where half the towns are just like numbers and letters and

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like a series of dashes.

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It's kind of that vibe.

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Suffice it to say, not a whole lot of excitement in Polk County, Wisconsin.

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I went to the official Polk County website just to kind of get an idea of the area that

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we're going to be discussing today, just because I think it's good to get like your finger

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on the pulse of, you know, get a little context of what's going on.

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Yeah, get an idea.

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So I went to the news section to see what's popping off in Polk County and got to say

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high drama places.

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For instance, on August 21st, the first human case of West Nile virus was confirmed in Wisconsin

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on October 3rd of this year.

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There's not a lot of lagging behind a little bit on October 3rd.

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The headline read, quote, Circuit Court Grant stay allows equestrian season to continue

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on Stower Seven Lakes Trail.

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And on November 2nd, the Polk County Recycling Center held a very successful electronic collection

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event.

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So just a hotbed of activity over.

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How are they judging the success of an electronic?

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Is it just like they go by weight or like participation?

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I would assume it has to be weight.

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Yeah, there's no way.

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Because if you've ever been to like a recycling center, it's all weight.

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I don't know if you've ever delved into a scrapping metal.

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to go across country with, you know, to go across country with.

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And they were like, we got some seat belts for your van.

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Like over there, they point to this giant stack of cars.

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And I'm like, this stack of cars is fucking 80 feet tall.

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And I'm supposed to climb in to the bottom of this one and rip out the seat belts.

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So like, all right, I guess I'll do it.

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But that's that's my only experience with one of those places.

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You pretty much summed it up.

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That's exactly the exact experience you're looking for when you go for a scrapyard.

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And a lot of fucking bees.

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Bees, flies.

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They're not the cleanest in any way, shape or form.

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But you know, surprisingly absent from the Polk County website, however, is the story

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that we're going to be covering today.

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And it's a story that is weird because I assumed that this area, something like this happening,

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they would have tried to have like milked it for everything it's worth, like festivals

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and carnival like they did with like the Hopkinsville Goblin and like Flatwoods.

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Like you would think this would all the current stuff, you know, like tourism money.

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now you can continue walking your horse on a trail like something.

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But that story is of William Bosac and his encounter with what is known as the Bosac

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Kalman, aka the Bosac Humanoid, aka the Bosac bovine.

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Are you familiar with this at all?

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This is this is a new one to me.

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The Bosac bovine is the best.

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So I love that.

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The alliteration just works.

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So the story goes that on December 2nd in 1974 at around 10 p.m., William Bosac, a 68

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year old dairy farmer, was driving from a co-op meeting in Frederick, Wisconsin, back

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to his 450 acre farm in Polk County, having owned and operated his farm for close to four

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decades.

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Driving this drive to and from the co-op is something he's done a billion times.

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So he knows this route like the back of his hand on this particular.

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A lot of fucking acreage.

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It's a big farm, right?

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I guess it's a case.

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Christ.

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If it's a dairy farm, I guess you kind of need it.

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I don't know shit about farming.

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So I only know from what I've seen on Yellowstone.

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That's much it.

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They need the cows need to graze and the grass needs to not have some kind of disease in

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That's the only thing that you need to do.

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I'm pretty sure that sums up farming.

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It's as easy as that.

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Cows got to graze.

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Grass can't be gross.

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We're all set for when shit pops off.

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On this particular night, though, the roads were shrouded in a low hanging, like dense

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fog causing him to drive a little bit slower, be a little more cautious with his driving.

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Now at this point, it's about 1030 at night and William is less than a mile from his house,

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which is when they say most accidents happen, right?

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Or something like that.

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You know that?

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Now, he's about a mile from his house when his headlights catch the glimmer of something.

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That something is a 10 foot tall and three foot wide cone shaped object hovering in the

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distance on the left side of the road.

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I hesitate to call it a ship just because the description of it, it seems more like

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an escape pod or a capsule or something.

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It's not really a ship.

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Three feet wide isn't big enough.

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A large traffic cone.

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And I also hesitate to say it's hovering.

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The bottom part he described as being covered with the fog, so he couldn't say for sure

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if it was hovering, but I'm just going to go ahead and say it is just for the story's

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sake.

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So at this point, Bozak did what I'm assuming either of us would do in this situation, and

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that is he slowed down and then eventually stopped his car just close enough to get a

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better look at this thing because fuck it, if we die, we die, right?

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I'm not going to give him the opportunity to see it.

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It's better to die, get ripped apart by some weird alien bullshit than dying because I

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eat too much salt in hospital bed when I'm fucking 85 years old.

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I would rather, I would rather, you know.

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That's the outlook on life I'm looking for.

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So after giving the pod a good once over, he noticed that there was a window made of

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domed glass.

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So I guess like a porthole more than, I honestly don't know the difference between a porthole

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or a window, but I'm just going to say a porthole because it sounds more shippy.

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Now through this porthole, he was able to see a very brightly lit compartment and in

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that compartment he saw, well, hold on.

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I'm just going to, I'm just going to read the quote of what he saw because I think he'll

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describe it better than I ever could.

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He said quote, I can remember it just as if it were yesterday.

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It was a little taller than a tall man.

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I can see a figure.

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Cause I'm the tall one in my family and I'm five, ten.

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Yeah, just a little taller than a tall man.

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A little taller.

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I'm all right.

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I could see a figure with his arms raised above its head.

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He was looking out the window and it was a different kind of character than you'd see

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on this earth.

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He then went on to describe this slightly taller than a tall man character like this.

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He said quote, it looked a good deal like a man, but not from this earth, but it had

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a face, had a different looking face than you'd see.

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It had kind of a cow looking face, dark tan fur, except for its face and chin and a square

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face with hair sticking straight out from the sides.

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The ears stuck out from the head about three inches and the eyes were large and protruding.

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The ears were calf like end quote.

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So basically to sum up Williams description, it was a tall alien cow thing, slightly taller

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than a man.

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So there's just this cow man flying through space in this weird ship.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Now this whole staring at people, all right.

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Going off of the artist depictions, because obviously people have heard of this and then

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the community has to draw it.

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What I've gathered, have you ever seen Mac and me?

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Of course.

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It kind of looks like one of the parents from Mac.

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So like the really tall ones, but like covered in brown fur.

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That's a deep cut.

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That's a deep cut.

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I got, cause I remember Mac with the little straw Mac.

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And that's pretty much it.

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Picture that.

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I'm not sure kid yet.

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Picture that like seven feet tall, but covered in brown fur.

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I'm just telling you what I saw.

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The weirdest thing that Bozak noticed about this was that it looked scared.

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It had its arms raised, eyes wide, like it wasn't expecting anyone to come through or

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that it was like unaware of its surroundings and didn't want to start any sort of fuss,

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which makes me think even more that it was some sort of like a skate pod or like an emergency

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vehicle of some sort.

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Cause if it's tall enough for him to just stand up and raise his arms and that's it.

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Like what's he really, you can't really fly that.

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I don't know.

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Space travels weird.

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They probably go.

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Unless, unless it's kind of like a Superman thing where they getting sent off to that

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other dimension.

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Oh my God.

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My brain, I've had a couple of drinks today already.

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What's up?

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In the spirit of cryptic cocktail hour, uh, the phantom zone, you know, so I just picture

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this like cow man flying sort of like in like, you know, just like flipping back and forth,

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you know, like maybe he's getting injected from this plate of existence.

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Well, we'll get into theories of what it could be, but one of them was, and I didn't even

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subscribe to it, was that kind of like in Superman, you know how, I guess in man of

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steel, uh, Zod and his people were all in those, like, uh, those pods that they were

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frozen in and they came out.

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They're trying to say that he, that this dude's like an intergalactic criminal in that's what

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it was.

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It was like a, like a criminal pod, which yeah, that's still, that's, they were getting

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sent to the phantom zone.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's, but, uh, but either way, after about 10 seconds of eye contact with this thing,

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which the 10 seconds felt like minutes to William.

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That's a long time for eye contact.

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His initial shock receded that early is, wow.

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just fucking sheer terror.

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He started to just straight up panic.

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it.

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So he's fucking speeding through the woods almost to the comforts of home.

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Bozak thought he had put a good amount of distance between him and this bovine humanoid.

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When he suddenly noticed that the lights in his car started to darken, the sound of his

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engine started to slowly fade and his headlights started to dim.

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Then Bozak hears what he described as a whooshing sound followed by a scraping against the roof

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of his car.

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Kind of like if you go under like a low hanging branch and you hear like that kind of thing.

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That's what he said.

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You heard.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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Knowing what juice he had left, he floored it just fucking barreling through the fog

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all the way back to the safety of his homestead.

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And once there, he was able to calm himself down, kind of just taking what had happened.

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And after taking some time to just sit and collect his thoughts, he decided as a lot

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of UFO and alien witnesses do, fearing what it might do to their relationships and social

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and familial like reputations.

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He decided, well, I probably shouldn't tell anyone about this because I'm going to sound

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like a fucking lunatic.

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What, when was the year of this one?

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Uh, 68, I believe.

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I feel like sensibilities has changed so much because now with one of us.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so still like I still still a window of like, everybody's like, everybody's gonna

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think I'm crazy if I tell you, but if something like that happened now, I'd be running ringing

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that bell all of social media.

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Look at this shit I fucking saw.

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Oh dude.

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You know, and I'd be, I'd be milking it for all it's worth.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I get that, you know, 10 minutes of Tik Tok fame.

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Yeah.

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But then you're gonna have to like, yeah.

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But then you're going to have one of those, like the, uh, the Vegas UFO backyard alien

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thing.

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Everyone's is going to be like, Oh my, yeah.

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You know, no, I mean, I guess if you don't get video of it, you just have your story.

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It's better than having shitty looking video of it.

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You know what I mean?

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Like every, every video that I post on my page is people like, well, it's 2023 and we

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get this potato camera shit.

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I'm like, dude, this is a shot in the seventies.

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What am I supposed to tell you?

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But like every moment, even that Vegas one that like some of those like, well, you know,

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where they would zoom in and show like this is the face, the alien, like in between the

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holes of the, like the fence and shit like that.

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You'd be like, I don't know about this, this is pretty suspect, but, um, and back to the

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bovine experience, you know.

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Well, like I said, he decided probably best to not say anything to anyone.

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I mean, I, yeah, mistake in the seventies though, in a rural, like Wisconsin Midwestern

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town, you're a dairy farmer.

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You know, I feel like it's not the most welcoming.

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People aren't going to buy your milk.

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They're calling up.

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She's going to get made fun of at the co-op every weekend now.

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Now the following day, William decided to shirk all of his duties on the farm and immediately

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returned to where the ship craft pod thing was.

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And obviously it wasn't there.

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No evidence except for a patch of grass off to the side of the road where the object had

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been hovering.

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Now Bozak was able to keep silent about his encounter for about three weeks until he decided

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enough was enough.

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He was going to confide in his wife.

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Now one thing I've learned from doing this show, that secret, that's a long time to keep

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it a secret, but what I've learned, what I've learned from doing the show is that most people

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who witness something like this and hold it in most of the time, they re the reason they

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end up deciding it's time to tell someone is pretty much because they have like PTSD

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or they're traumatized by what happened.

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I just need to tell someone because like the weight is just crushing their soul.

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Uh, but for William, it was a little bit different.

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He didn't confide in his wife because he was plagued with trauma or fear, but for him it

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was guilt.

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He regretted not staying and trying to communicate with the scared being and like trying to show

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that he was a friendly dude.

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He told, uh, he told you, what?

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It's like, you know, when I, I had an opportunity, like he's in the dairy and cow business and

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he's like, look at this guy.

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It's like, you know what, like maybe it is an opportunity here.

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And I just blew it.

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I should have, I should have reached out.

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We could have done something good.

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Had, you know, made millions.

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If any, if anyone was going to be an ambassador for the human race, I want it to be a 68 year

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old dairy farmer from Wisconsin.

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Oh Jesus.

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I don't, uh, he has the plane.

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He knows the plight of the every man.

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He knows what's the common man.

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I mean, if anyone, it should be him.

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Right.

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And the fact that he felt bad about it now, I kind of think he should have been, he's

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probably better than all of us.

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Yeah.

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He's got, he's got some ethics in there.

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You know?

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All right.

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Well, yeah.

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What he said was quote, I wish that someone had been in the car with me at the time.

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I should have stopped and I tried to show it.

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I was friendly.

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I wish I could meet up with it again.

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End quote.

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Now on course it's, it's unclear if his wife had just like loose lips or if Bozak

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decided to tell more people than just his wife about what he encountered.

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But news quickly spread around about this dairy farmer and his encounter.

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And a short time later, a story was written up about the incident in the St. Paul pioneer

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press.

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And this story caught the attention of Everett E. Leitner and Dewey Burscheid, I don't know

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how to pronounce this last name, uh, who were investigators for the aerial phenomena research

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organization or APRO for short.

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Are you familiar with APRO?

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I've never heard of them before, but apparently they were started by a really famous, like

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I haven't heard of that one though.

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Yeah.

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Now Bozak was more than willing to talk to Dewey and Everett granting several like extensive

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interviews with the pair, as well as setting up interviews with his family, friends and

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neighbors who all pretty much said that the story was bananas, but that Will was an honest

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man with a good reputation.

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So they don't really have any reason not to trust that he at least saw something that

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night.

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So Bozak got it.

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He knew the story was wild and that skepticism was from his neighbors, family and friends

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and reporters were going to come with the territory.

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He went on to say in an interview, quote, you know how the neighbors are.

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They questioned it.

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The editor in town didn't believe it.

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I'm sure a lot of people are going to be skeptical after hearing what happened to me, but if

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people don't believe me, I'll take a lie detector test to prove this isn't just something I

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made up.

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End quote.

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So he stuck to his story, which I'm, you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He hasn't, I mean, is he, do you know if he's still alive?

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Well, we'll get to that.

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Oh, okay.

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All right.

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I didn't know if it's one of those like deathbed confessionals where he's like, no, me and

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Marty, we, we got together and we made this thing because milk sales were down and we

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really needed to get the attention.

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I just keep saying milk, but I'm sure it's like beef and like, I can think it was, you

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know, slaughterhouse shit.

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Well, if it's a dairy farm, I assume there's milk and cheeses, curds, yeah.

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Kicking around there.

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Cheese was down.

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Needed to be the figure a way to kick up business.

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First of all, I've highly doubt that cheese was down in Wisconsin in 1974.

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If anything, it was booming back then, but I don't know much about the cheese market.

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Right.

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We're good.

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We're going to have, you know, we're going to have to take a pause.

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We're going to have to look at the cheese market.

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So the stats of the 70s, I think, I think I'm going to have to properly research this.

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I'm going to have to go take a trip to Wisconsin, really get my boots on the ground and really

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figure out what's going on here.

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I think any ethical podcaster would do that.

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Yeah, but I'm not going to do that.

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All right.

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Well, that's the difference between me and you.

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Yeah.

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That's what you would do it.

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I am the other hand.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm looking up.

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I'm on price side right now, seeing what what I can get.

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Now according to Cryptopia.us, there have been a ton of speculation as to what this

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cowboy actually was with theories ranging cowboy from just a straight up Bigfoot that

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can fly a spaceship, which I'm just going to say no.

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Bozak was a dairy farmer.

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So if he says it looks like a cow, I'm going to believe him considering Bigfoot is.

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I mean, he's an expert.

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Yeah, clearly a primate.

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Other theories say it was an emissary of its race.

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Others say it's a fugitive, like I said to you, my favorite, though, and this is the

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one I'm going to go with, is that it could be a highly evolved, time traveling descendant

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of the cows that Bozak had on his farm.

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What pivotal moment in cow history did he contribute to that they needed to appear to

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him in that time?

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Or maybe if it's a time travel and we just think of, and we just think of like our little

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like, you know, we got a little wedge of time that we got going here and we don't factor

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into it.

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So if cows are that evolved and they go back and back or they go forward in time so far

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where like they ended up having technology to be able to time travel.

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Why would this even be anywhere near the time to like show up and be like, oh, well, you

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know, we got like, is it like a Skynest situation where this is the farm in which like a cow

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finally gained sentience?

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He's like the John Connor of the cow universe.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, maybe that's where you're going with when you know we're talking about deathbed

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confessionals.

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Maybe something's going to happen.

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But maybe hear me out, maybe the reason why all those cattle mutilations happened in like

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the 90s and early 2000s, maybe cows do eventually become the superior race.

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So the aliens are coming down trying to figure out, well, what are their weaknesses?

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Maybe there's a cow gray space battle in the future, like a huge civil war.

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And that's why they've been that's why they're attacking the lineage of cows in the Midwest.

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Yeah.

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And that's why I think we're living in very, in very important times for the cow.

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The cow revolution that's about to happen.

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Yeah.

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Instead of the Planet of the Apes, the Planet of the Bovines.

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I mean, not going to lie, I'd watch that anime.

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But in the end, I guess we'll never really know what the bovine creature was.

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As far as I know, this is the only encounter with the being of this description.

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And sadly, the cow man never returned, especially not to Bozak's farm to pay him another visit.

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And even sadder is that on December 22nd, 1996, William Bozak was found dead in his

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home at the age of 90, 22 years to the day of his encounter with the Bozak cow man.

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And he never got a chance to reconnect with them and show them that, you know, he was

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just a just a nice dude trying to hang out.

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But yeah, that both prints at the scene.

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As far as I know, he wasn't murdered by the cow man revolution because apparently he played

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a pivotal role in it.

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I don't know.

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But yeah, that's the story of William Bozak and the Bozak bovine cow man humanoid, whatever

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you want to call it.

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Where are you?

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What are you feeling?

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How are you?

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How are you feeling?

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It's interesting, but like, I don't understand why somebody would feel the need to embed something

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like that.

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So I don't, I don't discount that he saw something, but like as a cow thing, I think maybe he

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just seen so many cows in his lifetime that he like maybe saw like an alien or something

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like that.

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And it's just like, he's like looking through this portal and he's like, oh, it's a cow

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hedge.

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Oh, is it, is it buddy?

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Yeah.

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The fact that he is a dairy farmer and he saw a cow man is kind of convenient in a way.

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But I guess, I guess if you're just around cows all day, they're really your only point

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of reference on how to do like, it's like the human brain, you know how we, we try to

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see faces and everything.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he tries to see cows and everything.

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Yeah.

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It's like that.

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Like whenever he sees a weird knot in a plank of wood, he's like, that's not a, that's clearly

483
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,720
a cow where everyone else would see like a face of a dog or something, you know what

484
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,720
I mean?

485
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,920
But fucking Jesus, he's like, no, that's clearly a cow.

486
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,960
Every burnt piece of toast to him is just a cow, not Jesus.

487
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Well, I mean, I think that's a, it's, I think he maybe just had a, a, you know, a left bowl

488
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,880
encounter and then ended up turning into this bigger thing to him.

489
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,840
But again, I don't even know.

490
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,840
I don't know.

491
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,840
We'll never know.

492
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,880
Do I think he saw a cow, man?

493
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,720
No, but I don't, but I don't know at the same time.

494
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,440
But what, but like you said, what reason does this 70 year old man in the seventies have

495
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,440
to gain from it?

496
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,040
Like, as far as I know, he didn't like get a book deal or a movie, like nothing came

497
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,040
from it.

498
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,640
And he stuck to the story his whole life.

499
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,640
Right.

500
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:31,640
Like he didn't gain anything from it.

501
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,340
The only people who really gained something from it was probably those two UFO researchers

502
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:36,340
who interviewed him.

503
00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:40,720
They probably wrote it in magazines and books and probably got paid to do some, but he just,

504
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,600
it's just like, fuck it, man.

505
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,600
I'll take a lie detector test.

506
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,600
I don't give a fuck.

507
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,600
Yeah.

508
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,560
Back in old YouTube days, I remember they're talking about how there was 72 different species

509
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,600
of aliens living on planet earth right now.

510
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,600
Now, how would we know?

511
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600
And I can only tell you, I mean, you know, you know, there's like a guy will just be

512
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,360
standing in front of a group of people and he'll go to every single one of them.

513
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,440
Like, okay, dude, like maybe, but this is ridiculous.

514
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,720
I think I could name like maybe four or five at the most.

515
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720
Yeah.

516
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,720
You got grays, tall whites, reptilians.

517
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:24,960
If you're going off, fucking Swery Carey from Project Camelot, you got the raptors and the

518
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Palladiums or something like that.

519
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Is that a thing?

520
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Yeah.

521
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,280
I feel like that's a thing.

522
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,560
And then I think the Nordics and the tall whites, the same kind of thing, I guess.

523
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Yeah.

524
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,880
But we also covered that.

525
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,880
I think they're the same people that live in the center of the earth in hollow earth.

526
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,880
Yeah.

527
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,880
Yeah.

528
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,400
Dude, I tried to get a flat earth person to come on my show.

529
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Have you had that flat earth person come on yet?

530
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,360
Or have you done a flat earth show?

531
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,360
No, we did.

532
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,360
We did hollow earth.

533
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,800
I want to do flat earth, but I think before I do flat earth, I want to do hollow moon

534
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,880
because I think that's way funnier.

535
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,880
I used to work with the flat earther and he was also a proud boy and a Trump supporter.

536
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,960
So nothing he said I took seriously.

537
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:15,640
So I feel like it's funny how it's funny how those two worlds, they really intersect with

538
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,920
one another.

539
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,240
I think it just goes to show that they're just a bunch of bright, bright people.

540
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,600
But you know, smartest of the bunch.

541
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,600
I appreciate them.

542
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,600
All right, Josh.

543
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Well, I appreciate you coming on.

544
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,040
We're pretty much at the end of it.

545
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Do you want to plug your stuff?

546
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,440
I know you got your shop, your podcast.

547
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600
Just let everyone know where they can find you.

548
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Yeah.

549
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Yeah.

550
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,400
I do a billion different things, tattoo or illustrator, and I run the Hellmouth paranormal.

551
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,780
So I just do t-shirts and just fun kind of stuff.

552
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:58,520
So you can either find me at joshuandrablander.com, which I thought it was cool.

553
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Twenty years of getting that address.

554
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,680
But now where I'm like trying to give people my email address and like, all right, it's

555
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,680
me Josh.

556
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,680
Yeah.

557
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,840
I was afraid I didn't spell it correctly because there were so many letters.

558
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Yeah.

559
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Yeah.

560
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,840
It's ridiculous.

561
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,600
But yeah, you just Google my name Joshua Blander and it'll come up.

562
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,600
So yeah.

563
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880
I'll be sure to link all your links in the episode description.

564
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,120
But yeah, make sure you follow him.

565
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Make sure you follow us on Instagram and TikTok.

566
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Crypto cocktail and crypto cocktail party respectively.

567
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,960
And with that Josh, do you want to say goodbye to everyone?

568
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,960
All right.

569
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Well, thank you very much for having me on.

570
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Yeah.

571
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Have a good one.

