1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,360 What uh, what are your thoughts on cannibalism? 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,520 Um, I don't know. 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:07,760 I mean I would assume that I'm against. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm against. 5 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,920 Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,360 where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, and take a dive into the unknown. 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:43,360 You like that? 8 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,160 I just came up, that was a good one, right? 9 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:46,160 Ooh, on the spot? 10 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,520 Yeah, that's gonna be the new intro, it was good. 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,920 Uh, joining me today is uh, is fan favorite Colby Clark back again. 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,920 What's up bud? 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Fan favorite says, ooh, the fans? 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Yeah, I mean all the reviews on uh, Apple Podcast seem to think that you're just the 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,120 co-hosts. 16 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,040 Like the co-hosts are great. 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,800 So yeah, how you doing bud? 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,200 It's good to have you back. 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,960 I'm doing good, I'm doing good. 20 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:12,400 Piecing it together today. 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,400 Yeah? 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,400 Yeah. 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Time went on last night? 24 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,840 Well, you know, just you know, writing some tunes. 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:20,840 Yeah? 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Trying to stay creative. 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,840 How's that going? 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Yeah. 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,840 It's going great. 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Yeah? 31 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,480 We two freshies in the books last night. 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Oh, dang. 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Bangas, bapas. 34 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,760 So for everyone listening, uh, Colby is a guitar player in uh, New Hampshire Metalcore 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,760 band. 36 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,760 We say it's a metalcore band. 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Yeah. 38 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Yeah. 39 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,760 Uh, Lanterns Last Light. 40 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,960 Uh, you got a single out called uh, Mitochondria. 41 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,960 What's it called? 42 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,400 Mokuhiki Kamaha. 43 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,400 That's what it is. 44 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Alright. 45 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,680 Um, yeah, go check that out. 46 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,360 I'll put a link in the description of the episode. 47 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,360 So if anyone... 48 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,360 We've said it so many times. 49 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,360 I can't. 50 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,920 We've said it so many times in that episode with... 51 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Oh, with Carson from Kalis Dabois? 52 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,960 With Carson that, yeah, I don't think I'll ever... 53 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,520 Well, I'm not supposed to forget it in the first place, but... 54 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,400 I was gonna say, it's your song. 55 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,400 You should... 56 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,400 No, I definitely won't. 57 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Alright. 58 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Well, yeah, I'll put it in the description so people can check it out if you guys are 59 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,360 fans of metalcore. 60 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,800 Um, but Colby, I have one question for you. 61 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Sure. 62 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,800 Shoot. 63 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,800 What uh, what are your thoughts on cannibalism? 64 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,560 Pro, against, indifferent? 65 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Uh, I mean... 66 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,960 There I go saying I mean again. 67 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Um, I don't know. 68 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,200 I mean, I would assume that I'm against. 69 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Yeah, I'm against. 70 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,040 Now what if, let's say... 71 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,040 I'm anti-cannibalism. 72 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Let's say it was like a brutally harsh winter and it was you and Maddie and, I don't know, 73 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,720 Rob, and you were snowed inside for like weeks on end. 74 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,600 You're desperate. 75 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Rob dies. 76 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,200 This is like a 70 days on an island kind of thing. 77 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,200 Yeah. 78 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,200 But with cannibalism. 79 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Yeah. 80 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,400 Yeah, I mean, oof, that's a tough one. 81 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Um, I don't think I have a choice at that point, right? 82 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,800 Doesn't my hunger take over? 83 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,600 I don't know. 84 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,120 But the reason why I asked is because today we're gonna be going over the cannibalistic 85 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,440 spirit known as the Wendigo. 86 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Are you familiar with the Wendigo at all? 87 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Dang, I am not. 88 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,400 No? 89 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Mm-mm. 90 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Oh, you're about to learn today, baby. 91 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,320 The Wendigo is one of my favorite all time. 92 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,320 I don't want to say cryptids. 93 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,360 It's a, I guess a spirit, like an evil spirit, malevolent spirit. 94 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,160 And the folklore behind it and the legends is fucking awesome. 95 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,400 I've never heard of it. 96 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,080 I'm pretty bad with time management. 97 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,080 I never know when to go. 98 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:53,280 Oh, yeah, you had to take a sip right after that just to really punctuate it. 99 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Yep. 100 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,280 All right. 101 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Those are for the fans. 102 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,280 They can't see you. 103 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,080 No, no, no, the joke, the pun. 104 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Oh, okay. 105 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Pun daddy. 106 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,080 Pun daddy Clark here. 107 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,080 All right. 108 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,960 Well, you ready to dive right into this? 109 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Always. 110 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,960 All right. 111 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,160 Well, I think that it's important to mention right off the top two very important things. 112 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:21,200 First, I am not a scholar or like a learned person on Native American or First Nations 113 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,160 beliefs, their traditions or cultures. 114 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,600 And I don't believe you are as well, Kobe, right? 115 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,000 I am not, no. 116 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Okay. 117 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,520 So what I'm saying, we're just a couple of dudes with microphones. 118 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:38,120 So if anything I say or we say in this episode is wrong, misguided or in any way offensive, 119 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,000 just know that I'm doing my best to accurately and respectfully tell this story to the best 120 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,480 of my abilities with the resources I had available with to me. 121 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,480 And okay. 122 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,480 Yeah. 123 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,840 So if anything I say is wrong, just please feel free to reach out with any corrections 124 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,360 or information and I'll be sure to make a note of them in the next episode. 125 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,320 The second thing I want to stress that's very important is that the Wendigo is not a cryptid. 126 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,400 I see this misclassification a lot and a lot of like subreddits and like internet message 127 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,800 boards and stuff as well as like pop culture. 128 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,680 And I think it's to dispel, it's good to like dispel that right away. 129 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:19,360 Now to loosely go off what a redditor said in a subreddit, a cryptid is an animal that 130 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,280 is claimed to exist, but has never been proven to exist. 131 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:27,080 Like a Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Mothman, that kind of stuff. 132 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,840 They all fall into that category of cryptid because they're claimed to be like flesh and 133 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,600 blood creatures, but they've never been proven to exist. 134 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,220 The Wendigo is a spirit. 135 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:44,120 It possesses those that engage in certain behaviors and it is not a physical animal, 136 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:45,120 does that make sense? 137 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,120 It's a being. 138 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,120 It's spiritual in nature. 139 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Sure. 140 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,120 I would say it's spiritual in nature. 141 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,120 Everything's in nature. 142 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Yeah, it's in nature. 143 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:57,120 But it's a spiritual representation of desperation, greed, isolation, and it's also not a skin 144 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,120 walker. 145 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,120 I see a lot of people say that it's a skin walker. 146 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,040 I don't know if you know what a skin walker is. 147 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,040 Something walk around with skin? 148 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Yep. 149 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,040 It's a fucking attitude. 150 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,040 Shot in the dark. 151 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Oh, hey. 152 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,040 I'm proud of you. 153 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,040 Thanks, bud. 154 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Yeah, no, hey. 155 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Appreciate it. 156 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,840 I'm not familiar with the skin walker. 157 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,440 Oh, well, it's not relevant to what we're talking about, so maybe I'll have you on for 158 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,920 another episode to talk about skin walkers. 159 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:22,920 I don't know. 160 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:23,920 Okay, all right. 161 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,320 All right, so now that that's out of the way, I think we're ready to dive right in. 162 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Yeah? 163 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Oh, yeah. 164 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,440 Any questions so far? 165 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,440 No. 166 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Okay. 167 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,200 Where does it take place? 168 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,200 Where does it take place? 169 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Well, I'm glad you asked. 170 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,200 We're about to find out. 171 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Now, the Wendigo has been a staple of pop culture for three years now. 172 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:53,320 TV shows like Supernatural, Hannibal, movies like Antlers and The Wendigo. 173 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,720 It's also been featured in video games such as Fallout 76 and Until Dawn. 174 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,400 And if you're like a super nerd like me, you might know it from the trading card game Medizoo, 175 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:09,000 where it was basically the mascot for their Nightfall release. 176 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,760 But none of those portrayals are really accurate. 177 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:18,520 And the reason why is because for some reason, modern tellings and depictions of The Wendigo 178 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:28,320 portray it as this tall, gaunt, like 20 foot tall, giant man beast with the face of a deer 179 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,080 skull and antlers. 180 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,320 I'm going to send you some pictures. 181 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,560 And I want you to let me know what your thoughts. 182 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,600 So this is what the modern representation of The Wendigo is. 183 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,720 It's pretty fucked up looking. 184 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:45,720 It's pretty awesome. 185 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,720 Not going to lie. 186 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Like I understand why people think this is a badass representation of it, but unfortunately 187 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,720 we'll find out that it's not quite what it is. 188 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:54,720 Okay. 189 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,720 All right. 190 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Yep. 191 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,720 Did you get it? 192 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,720 That's that's pretty cool. 193 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Yeah. 194 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,720 Yeah. 195 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,720 I got them both. 196 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,720 That's pretty cool. 197 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,720 I think that's a good one. 198 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Yeah. 199 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 I don't even like why? 200 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Why only hair somewhere? 201 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Yeah, I don't know. 202 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I don't know why. 203 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,560 He's getting old. 204 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:27,200 He needs to get himself some creeps, not creeps, keeps. 205 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,200 Jesus Christ. 206 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,800 He gives me the creeps, but he needs some keeps. 207 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Oh, man, you got to love when shit like that comes together. 208 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:37,880 That's good. 209 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,240 Ed, you can't make that stuff up. 210 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:47,640 But yeah, but so yeah, so like I said, the portrayal of it looking like that isn't very 211 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,640 accurate. 212 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,160 The one thing that they do get accurate, though, is that it has an insatiable hunger for human 213 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,400 flesh. 214 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,560 So what is the Wendigo really, you might be asking? 215 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,160 This is when you ask me that. 216 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,720 Well, like what is the accuracy based off of? 217 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 If it's not in nature? 218 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,120 Well, the Wendigo is an evil, malevolent and cannibalistic spirit that has been part of 219 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,040 the Native American and First Nations folklore for centuries, specifically in the Algonquin 220 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,360 language group, which was located in the Great Plains region of the United States, as well 221 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,400 as the Great Lakes and northeast regions of the U.S. and Canada. 222 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,160 So basically right where you live, Colby, right up in New Hampshire. 223 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,160 Dang. 224 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,960 That was you said you weren't a scholar. 225 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Shit. 226 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,960 I'm a scholar. 227 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,960 I did my research. 228 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,680 I try to do this as like fucking to the T as possible, but it's hard. 229 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:35,680 It's good work. 230 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:39,720 There's so much lore behind it that it's hard to really condense it into like a 30 to 45 231 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:40,720 minute episode. 232 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,160 So I did my best. 233 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Sure, sure, sure. 234 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,680 But it's believed that the Wendigo is a manifestation of all the worst and darkest parts of the 235 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:49,680 human spirit. 236 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,880 So greed, gluttony, cannibalism. 237 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,840 And it was described by native ethnographer and author Basil Johnston in his book, The 238 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,840 Manitoba. 239 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,200 I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but I hope I am. 240 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,200 It's pronounced Basil. 241 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:14,960 When it was Basil, he described it in his book. 242 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,080 The Wendigo was gaunt to the point of emaciation, its desiccated skin pulled tightly over its 243 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,160 bones with its bones pushing out over its skin, its complexion the ash gray of death 244 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,800 and its eyes pushed back deep into the eye sockets. 245 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,560 The Wendigo looked like a gaunt skeleton recently disinterred from the grave. 246 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:39,160 What lips it had were tattered and bloody, unclean and suffering from separations of 247 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,160 the flesh. 248 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,960 The Wendigo gave off a strange and eerie odor of decay and decomposition of death and corruption. 249 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,840 He's just perfectly described to me. 250 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,720 It does, you gaunt fuck. 251 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,360 I got chapped lips lately too. 252 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,280 They're not bloody, but I get the sunken eyes. 253 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,280 I'm unclean. 254 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,280 Let's be real. 255 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,840 I'm a little dirty at most times. 256 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,080 I don't think what it said, its lips were tattered and bloody. 257 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,080 They meant chapped. 258 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,840 I'm pretty sure they mean that it chewed them off in a fit of hunger. 259 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,840 OK. 260 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:21,640 But basically what he's describing is wildly different than what the modern representation 261 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,280 of the Wendigo is. 262 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:30,080 To me this sounds more like either like a walker from The Walking Dead, you know what 263 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,080 I mean? 264 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Right. 265 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Or like a less skinny version of Christian Bale from the movie The Machinist. 266 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Right, less skinny. 267 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:40,400 Less skinny. 268 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,400 Yeah. 269 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Because he's pretty fucking thin in that movie and it's unnerving. 270 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,880 Also probably pretty unhealthy. 271 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,880 It is. 272 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,200 But yeah, I mean, actors are just like us. 273 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,400 Oh yeah, just regular salt of the earth. 274 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:02,480 But now that you have that description to go off of, I'm going to send you two more 275 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,040 pictures that probably more accurately describe what is going on. 276 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,040 So take a look at these. 277 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Let me know what you think. 278 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Also these pictures, I haven't been doing this, but I'll post the pictures that I've 279 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,600 been sending to you on Instagram. 280 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,640 So anyone who wants to see them, they can check them out. 281 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,320 That's a good call. 282 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,720 Okay, yeah, I've seen this one. 283 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,160 It's like that dude from The Hobbit. 284 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Like the head orc? 285 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Yeah. 286 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Actually, shit, yeah, it does kind of look like that. 287 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,320 He's a little thinner, but it kind of does. 288 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Yeah, much thinner. 289 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,000 It's pretty badass. 290 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Dang. 291 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 And that other one? 292 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Shoot. 293 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Yeah, I don't like that one. 294 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,000 That one's a fucking nightmare. 295 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Holy smokes. 296 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,720 Do you want to describe the second one to the audience and then what you're looking 297 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,720 at? 298 00:12:51,720 --> 00:13:00,960 It's half man, half elderly man with beard, graying hair, widow's peak, I think. 299 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,960 I don't know, it's a side view. 300 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:02,960 It's hard to tell. 301 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,520 But yeah, he's Christian Bale skinny. 302 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:11,880 He really is Christian Bale skinny. 303 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:21,760 Very long spindly fingers with very long nails at the end, blood in the teeth, obviously. 304 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,880 The nose is a little crunched in there. 305 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,880 It's like flat face. 306 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:26,880 Kind of Voldemort-y. 307 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Yeah. 308 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,560 A little bit. 309 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:35,600 Yeah, lost some of his powers way back when. 310 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,360 It's looking for the boy who done it. 311 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,840 The boy who done it? 312 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,240 The boy who did it? 313 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,240 It's scary, man. 314 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,840 That's some nightmare fuel right there. 315 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,840 Yeah, it's not ideal, dude. 316 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Like, I don't want to fucking run into one of these in the woods. 317 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Good thing I live in the city. 318 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Yeah, very far away from the woods. 319 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,440 You never catch one of these in the city. 320 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,160 They get spooked like a bear. 321 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,880 All the motion sensor lights. 322 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,840 You wouldn't think it, but these creatures are more afraid of you, Dave, than you are 323 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,840 of it. 324 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:15,920 You know, just to put things in perspective. 325 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:16,920 Yeah, no, you're... 326 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:17,920 Yeah, that's... 327 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,360 All right, well, moving on, Colby. 328 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,480 Basil goes on to say that the word Wendigo derives from the Ojibwa word, ween-de-go, 329 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,680 which means solely for self, because once you are possessed, you are no longer you. 330 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,720 You are the Wendigo and are now solely fixated on one thing, the insatiable hunger for human 331 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:38,720 flesh. 332 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:39,720 Yes! 333 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,720 It's pretty metal. 334 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,720 That's so badass. 335 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,720 It kind of is. 336 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,720 Absolutely. 337 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,240 Now, mostly associated with the winter months when desperation, isolation and starvation 338 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 were real threats to those communities. 339 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:58,240 Like, for example, the Donner party, that one soccer team from the movie Alive that 340 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,240 ate each other in the Andes. 341 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,840 Or was it a rugby team, something like that? 342 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,840 You know what I'm talking about. 343 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,840 Right, right. 344 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,160 I didn't see it, but yeah, I've heard people talking about it. 345 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:12,580 And also the doomed Franklin expedition that we know that starvation and desperation oftentimes 346 00:15:12,580 --> 00:15:13,580 can lead to cannibalism. 347 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:17,680 And once you start having those thoughts, that's when you're most vulnerable to possession 348 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,680 of the Wendigo. 349 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:24,360 So basically, Colby, let's say you're a hunter, but you're not really good at hunting. 350 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,360 Okay? 351 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,360 Right. 352 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,400 You just think the outfit's cool. 353 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,560 You know, you're like, fucking, you know, just gonna dive right in. 354 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,520 No training, no sort of anything like that. 355 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,440 You're just basically a shit hunter. 356 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,880 You go out in the woods, all of a sudden you're out there for months. 357 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:41,880 Winter rolls in. 358 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,400 It's especially brutal, harsh. 359 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,520 And your only resort for survival was to eat your family, your neighbor, or just some dude 360 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,040 you found in the woods. 361 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,160 Now you, Colby, are vulnerable and most likely now are a Wendigo. 362 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,920 How do you feel about yourself? 363 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,340 No, he got me, man. 364 00:15:58,340 --> 00:16:00,120 It wasn't me. 365 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,640 It wasn't like me, me. 366 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,000 It was the Wendigo. 367 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Man, what a scapegoat. 368 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,640 He kind of looks like a goat, too. 369 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Well, funny you should say that. 370 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Just blame it on the Wendigo, man. 371 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,240 I ate my buddy. 372 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,160 It wasn't me, it was the hunger. 373 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Now in the late 1800s, there was a Cree man named Swift Runner. 374 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:26,720 Now he was a tracker for the Canadian Mounted Police and everyone said he was a really nice 375 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,720 dude. 376 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,280 Everyone in the tribe loved him until he kind of became an alcoholic. 377 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,280 He got really big. 378 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,320 They said, quote unquote, he was a really nice dude. 379 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,640 No, but no. 380 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:49,720 So he kind of took a liking to whiskey and eventually became pretty much a dickhead overnight. 381 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,880 He got fired from his job. 382 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,380 He was abusive and just aggressive. 383 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:56,920 So the tribe was like, fuck you, get out. 384 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,240 We don't want to deal with this anymore. 385 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,080 So him and his family, I believe it was his wife and I think he had like six kids or something 386 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,080 like that. 387 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,560 I'm going off memory with this. 388 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,480 But so, yeah, so he went out into the woods with his family, set up camp. 389 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,240 And then during the winter, it was like especially brutal. 390 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Once after a few months, he came back, like stumbled out of the woods and told everyone 391 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,000 like, hey, my family all starved to death. 392 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Like I need help, blah, blah, blah. 393 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,280 And right away people were calling bullshit on his story because he said his family was 394 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,360 all dead and dying of starvation. 395 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:39,300 But he looked pretty well fed, if you know what I mean. 396 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:45,240 So they got a party together and they went into the woods to go to his camp. 397 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,700 And when they got there, they found a grave. 398 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:50,680 So they dug it up and it was one of his sons. 399 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,280 And he clearly died of starvation. 400 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,760 Like there's no way around it. 401 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,600 But the other five members of his family, he was kind of cagey about. 402 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:05,680 So the police and some other people started searching around the camp where they found 403 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:11,000 the bones of his entire family stripped clean of the meat with the bones cracked open and 404 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,500 the marrow sucked out. 405 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:17,880 So they immediately arrested him for murder and cannibalism. 406 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,300 But as you said, the Wendigo did it. 407 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:23,300 It wasn't me. 408 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:25,440 I was possessed by the Wendigo. 409 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,460 So right, right, right. 410 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:30,920 He even went for the marrow, too, you know, drew Native American. 411 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,280 He used every part of his body. 412 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,160 You can't say that. 413 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,160 Shit. 414 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,960 It fit right in though, right? 415 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:43,960 It was good. 416 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:44,960 Fuck me, dude. 417 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,960 All right. 418 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,400 So he went on trial and you got a choice here, but leave it in or take it out. 419 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,580 But he. 420 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:59,440 So he went on trial and obviously the jury's like, nah, dude, like I think it took like 421 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:06,520 30 minutes for the jury to go and deliberate and find him guilty. 422 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,920 And I believe if I read the story correctly that that was Alberta, Canada's first legal 423 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,760 hanging like by the government. 424 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,760 Whoa. 425 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,600 So they hung him. 426 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,240 And so, yeah, so Canada stepping it up. 427 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Yeah. 428 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Super late to 1890. 429 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,520 Like we're not going to go to war, but we're still hanging people. 430 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,520 Yeah. 431 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,520 Wild. 432 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,520 But anyway, so yeah. 433 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,000 So you saying that it could be a scapegoat. 434 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,720 Now was he possessed by the Wendigo? 435 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,280 I don't know. 436 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,360 I don't buy it considering that if he was really in a state of such desperation, it turns 437 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:46,320 out that 20 miles from where he's camp was, there was a outpost where you could go and 438 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:47,780 get supplies. 439 00:19:47,780 --> 00:19:54,160 So he easily had like, he easily had access to, you know, food and supplies and just chose 440 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,680 instead to cook and eat his entire family. 441 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,680 Dang. 442 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,200 And that is the story of the Swinburne. 443 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,840 Not even just like some humans, like his people. 444 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,840 It was his humans. 445 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Wow. 446 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,840 Fuck. 447 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Like Wendigo got him, man. 448 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,840 Got him good too. 449 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Yeah. 450 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Sucked out that marrow. 451 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,080 No. 452 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:25,760 Once a person in the tribe is found to be a cannibal, they're immediately banished for 453 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,760 good reason. 454 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,800 You can't really trust anyone who would eat their kids, but also because it was believed 455 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,040 that once you got a taste for human flesh, you won't be able to eat anything else. 456 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,380 And you're consumed by that hunger and are no longer the person you once were. 457 00:20:39,380 --> 00:20:41,600 Could you imagine still having them around town? 458 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Like, Hey, back the fuck up, dude. 459 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Almost got me on that. 460 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,240 You almost got me. 461 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:54,720 They gotta put a cone around his head like a fucking dog. 462 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,720 Just like that. 463 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,840 But you know, what's funny is that literally every video I ever watched, even some articles 464 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,640 and podcasts that I read and listened to, when it gets to the part where they're talking 465 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,660 about how you're consumed by the hunger, they always bring up, and this seems to be a running 466 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:16,080 theme on our show as well, the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode where Dee and 467 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,120 Charlie eat Frank's meat. 468 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,720 And Frank convinces them that it's human. 469 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,000 And then the entire episode, they're basically consumed by the hunger for human flesh. 470 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,400 And then it turns out it was just raccoon and the hunger they were dealing with was 471 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,400 tapeworms. 472 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,120 So, right, right. 473 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,080 But that tapeworms get you. 474 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,080 Dude, we did it though. 475 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,440 We found a way to fucking shoehorn in. 476 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,960 It's Always Sunny, which has been in every single episode. 477 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Every single one. 478 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080 I did catch the little clip from the one you do in Kirsten. 479 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,080 That was good. 480 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Yeah. 481 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,520 So, I think we're gonna keep that theme going. 482 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,280 I'm gonna try and find a way to shoehorn that in. 483 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,520 Yeah, I mean, you know, looking for that sponsorship, baby. 484 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,520 From It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. 485 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Yeah, I don't know. 486 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,440 They're doing the podcast these days, right? 487 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Maybe I'll just try and convince Danny DeVito to come on. 488 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,520 If anybody would come on. 489 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,560 You think it would be Danny DeVito? 490 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,440 It would be Daniel DeVito. 491 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,440 I don't think so. 492 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,920 But anyways, let's move on, Colby. 493 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,920 Okay. 494 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,680 So, there was an interview with a Cree elder that I had found while researching for this. 495 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,480 I actually found it in the resources section of a John Solo video, which is really fucking 496 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,400 good if you don't know who John Solo is. 497 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,040 He's a YouTuber that does a lot of folklore stuff. 498 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,360 He does it really well. 499 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,400 Way better than I ever could. 500 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,920 Because he takes the real time to do it. 501 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,320 But um, sure, sure. 502 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,360 Basically what the Cree elder said in his interview, and this is kind of summarizing 503 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:51,360 a little bit. 504 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:56,040 He said that basically, once a person is consumed by this hunger, they are no longer human and 505 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,480 that over time, if he continues to eat human flesh, he becomes numb. 506 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,920 Basically a husk with no feeling and that quote, his heart becomes like ice. 507 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,120 There is no sympathy. 508 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,120 There's no right. 509 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,400 No human richness. 510 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,200 That's all that counts. 511 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,280 So basically, if you become a Wendigo, you're fucked. 512 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,200 There's no turning back. 513 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,080 It just turns your mind into zero empathy. 514 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Into what? 515 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,560 To tapeworms. 516 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,560 Zero, zero empathy. 517 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,560 Because of tapeworms. 518 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Because of tapeworms? 519 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,560 I don't think that's it. 520 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:28,560 Yeah. 521 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:35,640 But uh, but yeah, so basically, Wendigo possession is a corruption. 522 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,480 It's a corruption of the mind, the soul, and the body that comes from desperation, isolation, 523 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,600 starvation, and selfishness. 524 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,600 And the transformation of a person into a Wendigo is more of an internal one than a 525 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,040 physical one. 526 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,380 So really, you don't eat a person and become a 30 foot tall Cronenberg monster with a deer 527 00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:55,800 skull for a head. 528 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:01,320 The description of it being a former human and now gotten emaciated is usually due to 529 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,680 the circumstances that forced you to become a cannibal in the first place, like starvation 530 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,400 and malnourishment. 531 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,600 That's why those pictures that I sent you the second time around is more human, just 532 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,600 clearly not well. 533 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,600 Right. 534 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Right, right, right. 535 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Now, mmhmm. 536 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Mmhmm. 537 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Yep. 538 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,600 Check this out. 539 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,600 Mmhmm. 540 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Yep. 541 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Now, as for the origin of the Wendigo legend, I don't really know where it came from. 542 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,760 One story I read says that the first Wendigo was a hunter who became lost in the woods 543 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,160 during a particularly harsh and brutal winter. 544 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040 Starving and out of options, his intense hunger drove him to cannibalism, and once he consumed 545 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,000 human flesh, he transformed into the Wendigo. 546 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,160 He was cursed to roam the forest in search of more people to feast upon. 547 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,840 Others tell a similar story with slight variations on the Wendigo's ability. 548 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Some say that it grows larger with every person it eats, and it can control the weather, bringing 549 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,720 blizzards, hurricanes, and drought upon regions in order for people to be put in those type 550 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:12,520 of trying and desperate situations in order to bring them to do the things that cause 551 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520 you to become a Wendigo, if that makes sense. 552 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:21,960 So basically, the Wendigo is creating more Wendigos by controlling nature to make you 553 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,960 become a Wendigo. 554 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,480 Also, if you're listening to this, start the episode over. 555 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,800 Take a shot every time I say the Wendigo, because I'm pretty sure I've said it at least 556 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,200 47 times by now. 557 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,200 Okay, alright. 558 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000 I'll hop downstairs and get the whiskey. 559 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Well, not now, but... 560 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,880 Does anybody ever eat part of themselves? 561 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,640 See, I don't know. 562 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,640 I don't think so. 563 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,880 I mean, the Wendigo eats its own lips, apparently, because it's fucking starving for human flesh. 564 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840 But I don't think it'll eat itself. 565 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,880 Right, right, right, right. 566 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,880 I don't... 567 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,880 Chop off a leg. 568 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,560 Is it cannibalism at that point, or is it like auto-cannibalism or something like that? 569 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,480 I don't want to eat myself. 570 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,480 No? 571 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,880 Well, there was a story of that dude. 572 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,880 I don't think so. 573 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,920 Kyle actually sent me this story that some guy lost his leg in a motorcycle crash or 574 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,560 something like that, and he asked the doctor if he could take it home, and he did, and 575 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,160 he made tacos out of it, and him and his friends all ate his leg. 576 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Oh, wow. 577 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,320 You wouldn't do that. 578 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,040 If you lost my leg, you wouldn't have some of my taco meat, like? 579 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,040 Yeah. 580 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,040 Slow cook? 581 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,040 Yeah, I would. 582 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,040 Slow cooker? 583 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Pulled pork sandwiches with a coleslaw? 584 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,040 It's once in a lifetime opportunity. 585 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Dave's sandwiches. 586 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Oh, god damn, dude. 587 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,040 That'd be so good. 588 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Some Dave's law. 589 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Yeah, we're kind of... 590 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,040 Dang. 591 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,040 I'm hungry. 592 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:45,040 I did have a burrito today that... 593 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,040 I know for taco. 594 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,600 No, I had a burrito today that... 595 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,840 I hesitate to say that it had French fries on it. 596 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,920 Let's just say it had deep fried potatoes in it, and god damn, was it good. 597 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080 I've never had anything like it in my life, and I was all about it. 598 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,480 Man, who knew an episode about cannibalism would get us so hungry? 599 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:09,840 I'm going to need a baked potato after this. 600 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 That's where your mind goes, baked potatoes? 601 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,240 Mm-hmm. 602 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,240 Okay. 603 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,440 Well, stories and legends of the Wendigo vary slightly from one region to the next. 604 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,320 One thing that I think both you and I can both agree on is that it stands as a cautionary 605 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,680 tale. 606 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Much like the Kappa in Japan was to deter children from getting too close to the water 607 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,480 unsupervised, or the hook-handed maniac at Lover's Lane to stop teenagers from having 608 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,560 premarital sex, it's basically a story that teaches conservation, willpower, and selflessness. 609 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,560 Right. 610 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,440 Or the demon that comes out to tell you not to swim 30 minutes after you eat. 611 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,440 Yeah. 612 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,440 Or something like that. 613 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520 Yeah, he's just holding an alarm clock or something. 614 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,200 So you know, is that a thing that you were told as a kid that there was a demon? 615 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,200 No. 616 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,640 I really hope that I just learned something super fucked up about you. 617 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,400 It's like, cool, you know that's not a real story, right? 618 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,400 Explains so much. 619 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,400 Fuck. 620 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,400 Now, to- 621 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,400 My life is a lie. 622 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,400 How many lies have you been telling me, man? 623 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:22,800 To quote from an essay I found on phdsa.com with no credited author, it says that, quote, 624 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,120 winter is a time of scarcity in both food and warmth, and was considered by the natives 625 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,720 to be one of the most necessary times for a community to band together to survive the 626 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:32,720 harshness. 627 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,440 A scarcity of materials would give rise to hunger, forcing people to either share what 628 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,720 they had with each other for the good of the group, or hoard what they had for their own 629 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,920 sakes. 630 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,400 It goes on to say that, quote, the choice to hoard an act of selfishness was seen as 631 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,680 an act of defiance, not only against the group, but the creator himself. 632 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,920 So basically to have these legends, it's pretty crucial for not only oneself to live as a better 633 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,120 person, but for the whole tribe, living as one and taking care of each other, which I 634 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,480 think is what the Wendigo role was supposed to play, if that makes sense. 635 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,240 I don't know, like, I mean, this is just me. 636 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,440 I mean, again, if I'm talking on my ass, someone please let me know, but that's what I took 637 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,400 away from the folklore of the Wendigo. 638 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,400 I appreciate the personal touch and the, you know, popping that in there. 639 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,720 I mean, it's not a, it's not a, you know, physical being, right? 640 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,680 It's more of an entity folklore. 641 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,520 So it's, it comes with that, right? 642 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,000 You got to make your own, you know, determination, right? 643 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Sure. 644 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000 I guess. 645 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000 I like it. 646 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 I like it. 647 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,000 I like you. 648 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Thank you. 649 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000 You look good. 650 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000 You look good. 651 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000 Dude, so do you, man. 652 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,960 I mean, you look like a vampire, but it's fine. 653 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Yeah. 654 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,160 If you see me next time, I know what my lips is because of this episode. 655 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,000 Yeah, I know. 656 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,720 Well, so now we're going to get into something that we didn't really go over, but I feel 657 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,440 at least needs to be mentioned, is the concept of Wendigo psychosis, which is recognized 658 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,160 by the APA, which is the American Psychological Association. 659 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,640 And it is described as a severe culture bound syndrome occurring among Northern Algonquin 660 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,240 Indians living in Canada and the Northeastern United States. 661 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,720 The syndrome is characterized by delusions of becoming possessed by a flesh eating monster, 662 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,800 the Wendigo. 663 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,440 It is manifested in symptoms, including depression, violence, a compulsion for compulsive desire 664 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,720 for human flesh, and sometimes actual cannibalism. 665 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:41,040 Now, the way I feel about this Wendigo psychosis, I feel like it kind of delegitimizes the beliefs 666 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,240 of Native Americans and the First Nations. 667 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,720 And it's kind of just a way for like white dudes in like lab coats to be like, nah, y'all 668 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,720 are kind of crazy. 669 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,120 This is what it is. 670 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,120 You know what I mean? 671 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,120 Right. 672 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,120 Right. 673 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,880 But at the same time, the human brain is a piece of shit. 674 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,320 And I'm sure in some cases, if you grew up hearing the stories and then found yourself 675 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,440 in a situation where your face was such desperation, or maybe you had like an underlying mental 676 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,120 health disorder already, like on top of hearing these stories, and then you had some sort 677 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,440 of psychotic break, I can see the psychosis being very much a possibility. 678 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 You know, you're letting your mind get the best of you. 679 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,720 So that's where I kind of stand on that. 680 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:28,160 I mean, yeah, it's real, but at the same time, I feel like you're just delegitimizing the 681 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,160 whole community. 682 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,160 But I don't know. 683 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,880 Talking on my ass, I don't know. 684 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,880 Yeah. 685 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240 What do you think, Colby? 686 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,760 I think I've been talking forever. 687 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,760 I feel you on that. 688 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:46,040 I feel like that's been most of my comments is like trying to logic my way out of this. 689 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,800 And that's not the point of it, right? 690 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,760 The point of it is to, you know, bring about, you know, a certain understanding of this. 691 00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:01,000 You know, I mean, a mental, you know, break is like something that's not like tangible, 692 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000 right? 693 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,320 So in order to explain something like that, maybe you need something that's not tangible 694 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,320 as well. 695 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Yeah, that makes sense. 696 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,320 I'll buy by that. 697 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,320 Are you part of the APA? 698 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Yeah, I mean, you know, I used to be, you know, they still send me packets. 699 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000 All right. 700 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Yeah. 701 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Okay. 702 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000 No. 703 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000 What the fuck are we doing here? 704 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,200 I feel like we're not qualified to talk about this, but I feel like we're I think we're 705 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,200 doing okay. 706 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,200 Yeah, I think so. 707 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,200 I just got one. 708 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,200 I mean, the jokes are on point. 709 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,200 I mean, you're killing it tonight. 710 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:42,440 I just got one more, one more little bit and then we'll close out the episode. 711 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,120 One thing I found that was kind of neat and I have no idea if this is true or not, but 712 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,640 the modern Wendigo interpretation, like that I sent you is always this emaciated, super 713 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,280 tall figure with a deer skull and antlers, right? 714 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Well, yeah. 715 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,760 Yes, yes, it is. 716 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,440 Well, according to some stuff I read, the deer in some Native American cultures is like 717 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,680 a symbol of growth, regeneration, fertility and life. 718 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,560 So some people are saying that the modern portrayal of the Wendigo is like a bastardization 719 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,560 of that. 720 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,840 Death, greed, famine, starvation, the skull of a deer instead of the head of a deer. 721 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,440 I don't know if that's the reason some people chose to portray it that way, but I thought 722 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,360 it was just like a neat little explanation for why it may have transformed into that. 723 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,360 I don't know. 724 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,360 Yeah. 725 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:42,000 Oh, I think the portrayal of skulls in a lot of metal music is to show that, you know, 726 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,160 like humans are all the same regardless of skin color and yada yada yada, right? 727 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:52,440 So maybe they were trying to say that about, I don't think that's eating humans, eating 728 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,440 deer. 729 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,440 It's the same thing. 730 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,400 You know, we're all bones on the inside. 731 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560 Cannibals are people too type of thing. 732 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,880 Yeah, they are. 733 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,120 You know, they may have had a psychotic break and ate their whole family. 734 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,120 But you know, you know, we got to look after them. 735 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,120 Who are we to judge? 736 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,120 I don't know. 737 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,120 Fair enough. 738 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,120 All right. 739 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640 Well, that's I certainly won't. 740 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,440 That's the story of the one to go the best that I could tell it. 741 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,440 That's a good story. 742 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,640 I think we did OK. 743 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,640 You did great. 744 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,180 You said is your sources. 745 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:26,180 You had Basel in it. 746 00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:28,520 Yeah, Basel is a fucking bad ass, dude. 747 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,360 Dude, I never read his book. 748 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400 I should probably read it, though, the front line. 749 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,400 I know, dude. 750 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,400 Yeah. 751 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,400 But yeah. 752 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,400 So what did you think? 753 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:47,960 Basel is scary and definitely has its place in, you know, teaching people about the. 754 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960 The the. 755 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,320 That's what I'm looking for here. 756 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,320 Importance. 757 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,640 The importance of not. 758 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:05,640 Eating your own kind, you know, and maybe it's holding a mirror up to mental health, 759 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,640 you know. 760 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,640 I don't know. 761 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:08,640 It's just spitball in here. 762 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:09,640 There's a good story, though. 763 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,640 Right. 764 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,640 It's definitely. 765 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,640 So I always grew up with the. 766 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:23,160 I grew up with, but I've always seen the interpretation of the one to go as the deer skull guy. 767 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:29,320 So after doing all this research and finding out that basically my whole entire understanding 768 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,520 of the one to go is completely wrong. 769 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,880 And that it's not a cryptid and that it's actually like a spirit. 770 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,880 Kind of fucking. 771 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,880 I don't know. 772 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,040 Took the wind out of myself because I feel like because I like I always shared pictures 773 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,960 or stories or whatever of real like real when to go sightings to find out that it's all 774 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,880 bullshit, dude, in my. 775 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,560 So doing research, I did. 776 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:58,200 I watched a lot of YouTube videos because reading is a nightmare. 777 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,400 But put you right out, dude. 778 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,360 The amount of fucking like top 10 real when to go sightings. 779 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,720 And it's just like a blurry deer standing on a rock. 780 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,880 And it's like, dude, fuck off with this nonsense. 781 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,200 Like, what are you doing? 782 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,200 Right. 783 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 784 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,200 It was annoying clicks. 785 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,320 Yeah, it was awful clicks. 786 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,040 But yeah, so that's the story of the one to go guys. 787 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,040 We did it. 788 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,040 That's cool. 789 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Thanks for setting the record straight, bud. 790 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680 Yeah, I feel like not a lot of people do that. 791 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600 There's a couple of cool podcasts that I listen to. 792 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640 And like I said, the John Solo video was really fucking good. 793 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,800 He did like an awesome job really dispelling any sort of like misnomer misnomers. 794 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,800 Is that the right word? 795 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,480 Yeah, that sounds correct. 796 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,960 About the about the one to go. 797 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,160 But then there's this podcast called Graveyard Tales, which I listened to that had a lot 798 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,800 of really good like information to resources attached to it. 799 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,400 Dude, this podcast is the fucking best. 800 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,480 All right. 801 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,520 Yeah, please listen to my podcast. 802 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,780 But if you don't like who we are as people, go listen to this one because it's two dudes 803 00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:58,240 from I think from Texas. 804 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:03,200 I don't know, but they're from the south somewhere and they have the most angelic voices I've 805 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,800 ever heard in my entire life. 806 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,760 Like, oh, it's like nice cowboy Texas accent. 807 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,760 You know what I mean? 808 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,160 You can definitely tell that they have like work spurs for their boots and then like dress 809 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,160 spurs. 810 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,240 They have the one pair of like really nice blue jeans that they wear to both weddings 811 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,240 and funerals. 812 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,240 Right. 813 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,960 They definitely have bolo ties that match all of their different cowboy hats like they 814 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,440 call they call every woman ma'am and every man sir. 815 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,920 But not in an offensive way. 816 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,320 No, it's the most like you call a lady. 817 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,960 You call a woman ma'am around here. 818 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,960 You're going to get some shit for it. 819 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,400 I bet they tip their caps all the time. 820 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,760 But no, they do a really good job. 821 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,760 They're really good. 822 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680 Like cryptid paranormal folklore podcast. 823 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,280 But yeah, it was good. 824 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,520 I think I think we had a good time. 825 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,520 I think we did it. 826 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,520 We did it. 827 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120 We did it for sure. 828 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,600 And I'm better for it. 829 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,600 Really. 830 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,600 You are. 831 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,600 Because now you know the truth. 832 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,600 I can be on the lookout. 833 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,600 Yeah. 834 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,600 I'm looking for what I'm looking for what I'll be. 835 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:14,240 Now I know if I go into a mental psychosis, if I start chewing on my flash, I'll know 836 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,160 what it is. 837 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,160 It's not me. 838 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,960 It's the when to go. 839 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,960 All right. 840 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,160 Well, on that note, I think it's time for us to when to go. 841 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,080 Hey, hey, I did a Colby. 842 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,080 Thank you so much for listening, everyone. 843 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,080 I appreciate it. 844 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,080 Everybody. 845 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080 Yeah. 846 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080 Thanks, Colby, for being back on. 847 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,200 If you guys listening, if you wouldn't mind, it'd be awesome if you could rate and review 848 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,680 the show on Apple podcast, but also leave us a rating on Spotify because you can do 849 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,680 that now apparently. 850 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,400 But also I found out that I can add questions to the episodes on Spotify and you guys can 851 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,400 respond. 852 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:55,080 So if you think this is all bullshit and I did a terrible job, please tear me a new one. 853 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:01,240 You guys think I was nice, did OK, and I got the story across the best I could respectfully. 854 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,080 That would also be very comforting because this is nerve wracking for me. 855 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080 All right. 856 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,720 No, Colby, I'm going to say goodbye. 857 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:20,240 We're going to go.