1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,700 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of cryptid cocktail party a show where we 3 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,620 Have a few drinks share a few laughs take a dive into the unknown. I almost forgot my own intro. I am your host Dave 4 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Did you forget what we do on this show? Well, we skipped a week 5 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,680 So I have to get back in the role if we did skip a week and a week today 6 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,220 I'm joined by what should be a familiar voice 7 00:00:55,220 --> 00:01:02,200 Nicholas Eisman, how you doing? Dave's pleasure to pleasure to be back on the show. Thank you for having me again 8 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:08,780 Yeah, it's great to be here. How you doing, bud? I'm doing pretty good. I'm currently at a bachelor party in Richmond, Virginia 9 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:15,980 My friends are doing some some wine tasting right now. That's really not my my thing riveting 10 00:01:15,980 --> 00:01:18,540 So we'll hang over from last night 11 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:22,260 Yeah, it's been a week 12 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:27,320 Car died got my car right before I left for Virginia. It was sweet 13 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:34,340 Got to Virginia at like nine o'clock last night and walked into the Airbnb was handed a beer and a shot and I've been going 14 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:40,240 Since as a bachelor party should go, you know, yeah, I kept my notebook on me and by my notebook 15 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,840 I mean, it's a little sheet of paper that has been sitting in my car for the past week 16 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,460 I mean, what is what is a notebook really besides just sheets of paper? 17 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:51,860 It's just sheets of paper stitched together. Oh 18 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:55,140 Well Nicholas today we're gonna be doing something a little different 19 00:01:57,140 --> 00:02:03,460 You wanted to tell me a story of a crypto that you think I have never heard of which I probably haven't so 20 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:10,060 Let me let me ask myself this am I a cryptids guy? I mean, yeah, I dabble well blah blah blah 21 00:02:10,580 --> 00:02:12,220 So what you got for me? 22 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:14,220 all right, so we're gonna go to a 23 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:16,660 magical place in 24 00:02:16,660 --> 00:02:18,340 North America 25 00:02:18,340 --> 00:02:23,580 That is actually rumored to be a has rumored to been rumored to be a mob graveyard 26 00:02:24,220 --> 00:02:26,220 since the 1920s 27 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:29,220 Hold on real quick. I 28 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:35,180 Misheard you for a second and I thought you said you said mob with a B, right? Mm-hmm. I heard mom 29 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:41,980 Yeah, it's not a mom graveyard. There might be some moms in there depending on who they owed money to but it has been a 30 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:48,180 I was like this is gonna be a mob graveyard since the 20s. It's gonna get real dark real quick. Holy shit. Oh, yeah 31 00:02:48,180 --> 00:02:50,580 Oh, yeah, so we are gonna be 32 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:55,780 What kind of guess where magically? Yeah, you want to guess guess and see where we can go Tulsa, Oklahoma 33 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,100 No, am I close? 34 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:01,860 It starts with a T sort of Trenton 35 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:08,060 No, it's not in the East Coast. I don't know that where you go. Where are we being transported to today? 36 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:14,300 All right, so we're being transported to Lake Tahoe in Nevada. Well, that does not start with a T 37 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:19,900 That starts with an L sort of does okay, but you hear the word take Lake and it's Tahoe 38 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:30,900 All right, so besides the fact that Lake Tahoe has been a rumored, you know graveyard for the Mafia 39 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:37,060 It is also one of the largest lakes on the West Coast. It's but at certain points about 1200 feet deep 40 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:39,060 it's about 12 miles long and 41 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:45,220 And it is home to one of North America's very own lake monsters aka 42 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:47,900 Tahoe Tessie, Tahoe Tessie 43 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:49,940 Tahoe Tessie 44 00:03:49,940 --> 00:03:57,980 I love it. I love Tessie. I am gonna be honest. I know the name Tahoe Tessie, but I literally know nothing about the actual 45 00:03:59,660 --> 00:04:00,900 Animal 46 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:02,900 So it's actually pretty cool 47 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:03,660 Tahoe Tessie 48 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:09,300 There's been stories of a serpent-like monster in Lake Tahoe dating back to the 1800s from both. I'm gonna butcher this 49 00:04:09,860 --> 00:04:11,980 the Wasahoe and Paiute tribes 50 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:18,780 People have been telling stories and literally since you know early to late 17 or early 1800s late 1700s 51 00:04:18,980 --> 00:04:26,340 So there is quite a bit of history behind this obviously the name does you know get taken from the more popular and more well-known 52 00:04:27,340 --> 00:04:29,340 Nessie of Loch Ness 53 00:04:29,340 --> 00:04:31,340 I have tattooed to my arm 54 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:36,060 Because Americans are nothing but unoriginal if I oh yeah, we are we are a 55 00:04:37,340 --> 00:04:44,700 Very lazy people when it comes to creating names for things. I mean yeah, Coca-Cola used to have cocaine in it 56 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:47,500 Come on. Come on. We need to get back to our roots 57 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:50,940 Back to our roots here 58 00:04:51,220 --> 00:04:55,580 So yeah, I mean it kind of goes around the same lines of what Nessie is 59 00:04:55,580 --> 00:05:02,020 Supportedly anywhere from 10 to 60 feet depending on or 10 to 50 feet in length depending on who sees it when they see it 60 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:03,380 And things of that nature 61 00:05:03,380 --> 00:05:10,060 While there are a few different descriptions, it's mostly widely accepted that it does have that certainty placerataurus 62 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:17,580 I'm again butchering dinosaur names look kind of similar to what Loch Ness or what Nessie of the Loch Ness 63 00:05:19,580 --> 00:05:24,660 Because my first question was gonna be as you said that there's been stories of a serpentine monster in the lake 64 00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:26,900 But when I think of Nessie 65 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:29,580 Is that what you said? 66 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:34,860 Yeah, so I was thinking like a 67 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:40,740 like a like a big snake kind of thing, but you're saying the description more fits like Nessie and 68 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:43,980 What's the one from Lake Champlain? 69 00:05:45,020 --> 00:05:50,020 Yeah, so I was thinking more like a plesiosaur is that what it is yeah there we go yeah, please yes, sir 70 00:05:50,020 --> 00:05:55,460 Yeah, so is it like that or is it or is it like a snake not a snake? But you like a water dragon? 71 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:59,700 There's been a few different sightings most of the sightings do kind of have that plesiosaur 72 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:07,100 You know look to them for example one of the most well reported and most talked about sightings actually dates back to 1959 73 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:13,740 Where you know we have another great named police officer. Fuck yes. This is the best part of the show a 74 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:20,340 Fantastically named police officer so 1959 off-duty 75 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:23,380 police officer Mickey Daniels 76 00:06:23,780 --> 00:06:25,300 Mickey 77 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:29,120 Mickey Daniels, he sounds like a fucking old Red Sox player 78 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:35,580 Like someone who is just belligerently drunk when he got up to bat like I'm talking about like Babe Ruth era baseball player 79 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:39,740 Oh, yeah, just like chugging fucking brandy right before he goes up like a 80 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:45,620 Very long cigar in his mouth yeah backwards ready to rock back when being an athlete just meant you had to be present and not 81 00:06:45,620 --> 00:06:47,740 Physically fit you just had to show up. Yeah 82 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:50,740 Just like you're eating hot dogs by the pound 83 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:57,660 You got 15 dogs lined up from when you like fall over third base cuz you're too drunk 84 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:59,820 That's what a time to be alive 85 00:07:00,740 --> 00:07:04,120 Time to be alive so so wait McDaniels 86 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:07,380 Mickey Mickey Daniels and McDaniels 87 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:10,500 Mickey Daniels is an Irish last name. What's all 88 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:13,540 sounds like a 89 00:07:13,740 --> 00:07:15,900 like a WWE character a 90 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:18,940 wrestler 91 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:30,380 That's what it sounds like all right so so Mickey D saw something big Mickey D 92 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:36,520 Was named Big Mac well he has to be yeah his boat in 93 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,520 1959 was named the Big Mac which is fantastic I like that 94 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,920 So officer Mickey Daniels and his buddy were fishing 95 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,960 And they noticed that some of the wonder what I'm coming to them was getting very choppy and very rough 96 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,920 And then out of nowhere something nudged the boat now 97 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,080 This is not exactly easy to do considering the Big Mac was 43 feet long 98 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:04,760 I don't know if you're a seafaring person but a 43 foot long boat is a pretty hard to move 99 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:10,960 That's a big boat. Especially yeah, it's a big boat. You know I don't think if you were I don't think you're gonna need a bigger boat 100 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,960 But you might depending on what you're hunting 101 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,760 So originally his buddy thought that it was a you know could have been awake and 102 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,760 I immediately realized that it could not be awake and then awake could not have been awake 103 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,640 So he thought that it was a big boat and then he thought that it was a big boat 104 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,440 So he thought that it was a big boat and then he thought that it was a big boat 105 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,440 And then he realized that it could not be awake and then awake could not have shoved the boat with such force 106 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:40,400 And they both looked on their starboard side to see a very large V shaped shadow 107 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:47,440 Racing through the water now they were doing about 60 miles an hour now for all of you who are not nautical 108 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,160 enthusiasts such as myself 109 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,560 starboard means 110 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:54,560 right side 111 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:56,560 I kept reading I 112 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:03,560 Have a kayak that's as much seafaring as I do so starboard is right and then port is left 113 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:06,040 I only know that because port has the same amount of numbers 114 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,960 Numbers letters as left and then you got the bow and then the stern 115 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,600 Bow is the first turn is the back. Okay, sir. Is the back. Oh, yeah, cuz you yeah 116 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,980 Something new I used to go sailing all the time. Don't worry about it 117 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:25,980 Don't worry about it Nick don't look at me like that. I love you like a brother, but I can I can never see you sailing 118 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:30,980 I know I do that. I know how to I know how to put up a I know how to put up a jib 119 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:38,460 It's a sail. I know how to put up. Are you the main series? Yeah, I know how to sail. I had a weird childhood 120 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:42,980 I had a weird childhood. Anyways, I was white and grew up in New Hampshire. All right. All right 121 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:47,980 Well, okay then yeah, sorry about that 122 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:52,980 So that this creature was spotted underneath the water obviously was showed a 123 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:57,980 Very large, you know shadow just racing by the boat was doing about 60 miles an hour 124 00:09:57,980 --> 00:10:03,980 So it's not like something couldn't hit it shortly or softly for it to kind of be rocked around. Yeah 125 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:10,980 Actually reared its head for a split second and Mick Daniels or Mickey Daniels actually spent his life 126 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:14,980 Walking around the Lake Tahoe Bay around the lake 127 00:10:14,980 --> 00:10:20,980 Walking around the Lake Tahoe Bay or on the shoreline taking his kayak out taking his boats again 128 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:22,980 Pretty much up until the day he died in 2017 129 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:29,980 To you know try and catch another glimpse of this this creature because obviously he had heard stories before this and this encounter 130 00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:36,980 Yeah, so this dude had one encounter in the 50s and then spent the next 65 years like dedicating his 131 00:10:37,980 --> 00:10:42,980 God, I was like he was an avid fisherman. He lived in that region. So 132 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:48,980 I just but he yeah, you know, he quoted it. You know, there's a few articles from you know, local news station saying that yeah 133 00:10:48,980 --> 00:10:50,980 He is like he wants to see it again. He was very interested 134 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:56,980 You know, he firmly believes in what he saw and then there was no record of his friend ever talking about it again 135 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:59,980 Couldn't find a thing. I just wish I loved something that much 136 00:11:00,980 --> 00:11:03,980 Yeah, I mean same like nothing is ever like besides Star Wars 137 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:09,980 I guess but nothing is ever like I've never seen something about like that's who I am as a person. This is what yeah 138 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:13,980 I know Mickey Daniels Tahoe Tessie Hunter. Yeah, like I 139 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:19,980 Like that like that is dedication and passion right there like good for him. Oh, yeah, it must been super fucking frustrating though 140 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:21,980 That's the one thing like I 141 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:26,980 Like doing the show cuz I like researching cryptids and stuff like that, but I've never come across one where like I've been like, that's it 142 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:27,980 That's the one 143 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:33,980 This is this is the hill I will die on except for maybe the flat was monster only because I think we'd be best friends 144 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:38,980 And that's you I can see you being best friends of the metal man the Falkville metal man. Yeah 145 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:41,980 I don't know. All right. Sorry. I 146 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:47,980 Well me me not as the host is a really bad idea cuz I've baked this show go way off the fucking rails 147 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:52,980 But I love it. I'm having a great time. It's totally fine. I'm having a great time. So there's a few other sightings 148 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:59,980 Actually flash forward to 1979 for fishermen actually saw it hunting a school of trout 149 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:03,980 And this one was a lot more aggressive because it was literally well hunting around 150 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:10,980 Okay, and it kept causing so much wake in the water that their small fishing vessel was actually kind of pushed around a lot more 151 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:12,980 So Tahoe Tessie has a nest 152 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:20,980 You know the habit of knocking around on boats Tahoe Tessie sounds like I'm gonna assume it's a she Tessie sounds like a girl's name to me 153 00:12:21,980 --> 00:12:26,980 But Tahoe Tessie sounds like she woke up and shows violence every day of her life 154 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:31,980 And shows violence every day of her life, and I love it. I respect her. Oh absolutely 155 00:12:32,980 --> 00:12:38,980 Absolutely Tahoe Tessie is that girl in your school who like comes in and fucks with the bullies? 156 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:41,980 Yeah, but it's also a bully herself 157 00:12:41,980 --> 00:12:49,980 Yeah, she's the bully of bullies. She doesn't like bully other people, but she bullies the bullies. She's almost like a large Marge from Pee Wee Herman 158 00:12:49,980 --> 00:12:54,980 All right, I'll accept that so flash forward to a you know 79 they see it peering its head 159 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:59,980 Hold on real quick Nicholas stop clasping your watch. It's all I can hear 160 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,980 Sorry 161 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:03,980 ADD at its finest 162 00:13:03,980 --> 00:13:09,980 I'm sorry, this is like really loud somehow that somehow it's louder than you talking and you're talking into a microphone 163 00:13:09,980 --> 00:13:11,980 I don't know how that's happening 164 00:13:11,980 --> 00:13:13,980 Sorry to all of us 165 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:15,980 So sorry, we're sorry 166 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:17,980 We're sorry 167 00:13:17,980 --> 00:13:19,980 We're sorry 168 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:21,980 We're sorry 169 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:27,980 Yeah, so 79 it was spotted a hunting fish this happened a few times actually within that year 170 00:13:27,980 --> 00:13:30,980 Oh, so this is this multiple times within the year 171 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:35,980 Multiple sightings yeah within the year there was a few people that you know actually talked to weird 172 00:13:35,980 --> 00:13:39,980 California and weird, Nevada about seeing it hunting multiple times 173 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:45,980 Which is pretty cool because you don't really see or hear too many often or hear too often about stories of cryptids 174 00:13:45,980 --> 00:13:47,980 Hunting other things which I think is interesting 175 00:13:47,980 --> 00:13:54,980 I think the only time you hear about that is like big big feet. Is that the plural of big big big big foot big five? 176 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:56,980 I always just called big foot 177 00:13:56,980 --> 00:13:59,980 Is that the big feats we're getting into weird foot we're getting to a weird thing 178 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:05,980 I feel like the only time you ever hear of like a crypt is like hunting like a store a story of a cryptid hunting is usually 179 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:07,980 Bigfoot is usually hunting you 180 00:14:07,980 --> 00:14:11,980 Well, yeah, but I feel like it this kind of shows like the more 181 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:17,980 You know if you break down cryptozoology, it's literally just the study of unknown animals 182 00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:21,980 So you're seeing like an animal in its natural habitat just hunting fish, which is pretty cool 183 00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:24,980 And then fast forward to the 80s something like that 184 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:30,980 Oh, it'd be sick. It'd be absolutely sick and then in the 80s two other fishermen saw it 185 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:35,980 Going towards a location in Lake Tahoe called Cave Rock and then they watched it go underwater 186 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:38,980 I know but but hear me out 187 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:41,980 Okay, rock cave rock cave 188 00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:49,980 It's not it's Nevada cave rock sounds like a really bad like like sitcom about like cavemen that like learn how to play instruments 189 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:53,980 Like a Disney Disney Channel show 190 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:55,980 Tats and it's voice 191 00:14:55,980 --> 00:14:59,980 It's voiced by Nicolas Cage and Brendan Fraser. I was gonna say Jack Black 192 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:04,980 Look, he's also in it. He's the drummer. It's an all-star. It's like airheads, but with 193 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:09,980 Adam Sandler Brendan Fraser Jack Black and Nicolas Cage. All right. Yeah, I'd watch that 194 00:15:09,980 --> 00:15:14,980 All right. So they were so these two fishermen they were heading up to Cave Rock great name 195 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:18,980 No, they see it heading towards Cave Rock and then it went underwater, right? 196 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:22,980 So it was heading, you know, what East Northwest South? Whatever was just heading towards Cave Rock? 197 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:25,980 They watch it, you know go back underwater 198 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:29,980 Never, you know not seen again for the rest of day 199 00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:37,980 Until a couple weeks later two divers were actually, you know, diving around by Cave Rock and they see this creature 200 00:15:37,980 --> 00:15:48,980 fitting the same description of Tahoe Tessie shoot out of the cave and left two very large prints fin prints underneath the water which confirms what the 201 00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:57,980 I'm gonna get a bunch of these tribe names the Wasahoe and Pokhuit tribes claimed in the early 1800s 202 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:01,980 Did you said you said both those names different times both times? 203 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:19,980 But yes, the early tribes actually thought this creature lived underwater in a cave system actually kind of fitting where Cave Rock was and the theory behind that is that that specific cave actually goes into a canal system that reaches to other lakes. 204 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:23,980 Oh, which is pretty cool. Okay, because that's the same 205 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:34,980 Same theory that the, you know, everything behind Nessie is because right there's a few different reasons that a we haven't found them either a there's canals underwater which makes sense. Who knows. 206 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:42,980 Yeah, or B, you know, there's parts underwater that are lead to other underwater caves. Well the lock the Loch Ness also that that 207 00:16:43,980 --> 00:16:45,980 Leads to the ocean doesn't it? 208 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:52,980 Yes, so we can go in and out. But the thing is with Lake Tahoe like even though it might go to other lakes. That's a pretty cool theory. 209 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:55,980 That's, that's a pretty landlocked fucking. 210 00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:57,980 It's very landlocked. 211 00:16:57,980 --> 00:16:59,980 First year Nevada is landlocked in general. 212 00:16:59,980 --> 00:17:09,980 Yeah, but I guess I mean the blacks. I mean, alright, so we're gonna. I know you're probably not done with your story actually this is probably the perfect time to do this. 213 00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:14,980 We're gonna we're gonna take a little break so we can hear from 214 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:23,980 Our sponsor but we'll just little little ad thing. Hold on. There we go. 215 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:40,980 Hey what's up you guys. I'm Catherine and I'm Haley and we are Saturdays for the ghouls a podcast on the pod Moth Network. We cover all things spooky like horror movies, true crime, the supernatural and spooky story in the most chaotic way possible. 216 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:54,980 So join your favorite ghoul friends every Saturday wherever you listen to podcasts and become a spooky babe. So spooky babes will see you in your nightmares. 217 00:17:54,980 --> 00:18:11,980 I'll be back. So I wanted I was gonna cut you off and I figured it'd be a perfect time to play an ad for one of the other podcasts on our network real quick you know that's what that's what being part of podcast networks all about. 218 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:16,980 But what I wanted to ask you is that do you so do you think that. 219 00:18:16,980 --> 00:18:18,980 Let me collect my thoughts. 220 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:21,980 So, as you know, Pangea. 221 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:26,980 You know the concept of Pangea. 222 00:18:26,980 --> 00:18:32,980 All like all of that you like all the west coast of America at one point was underwater, I'm assuming. 223 00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:57,980 So like do you think like as like the tectonic plate shifted and so this is my own theory like the shifted things you know do you think like as the water receded and like the lake form like do you think it's maybe like a like a dinosaur like that's something that just like got caught in it's basically like when a like when a crab gets caught in a tide pool, but there was never any tide to come back in and wash it back out to see. 224 00:18:57,980 --> 00:19:15,980 It's funny that you say that because I actually had the same thought and apparently a lot of other people have the same thought because that theory is kind of that theory is actually kind of null and void because of the when Lake Tahoe was formed and that was formed after the last ice age and by the time that that ice age occurred. 225 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:17,980 So it was carved out. 226 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:18,980 Yeah, exactly. 227 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:23,980 The plasaurus was actually, you know, long since extinct. 228 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:36,980 All right, so then how I mean I get evolution, but this I mean, all right, so I get evolution, but I feel like there's not enough time for something to evolve into something like that and if there's only one of them in the lake that we know of. 229 00:19:36,980 --> 00:19:37,980 So that we know of. 230 00:19:37,980 --> 00:19:43,980 My only other thing would be like, it wouldn't be like a Tulpa thing that'd be fucking weird. 231 00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:58,980 Well, I mean, my thing is more along the lines of, you know, especially if there is a canal system right we don't know how old that canal system is obviously like how had to be filled by something so maybe there was a shift in plates, or that canal system was actually 232 00:19:58,980 --> 00:20:13,980 cracked wide open that opened up into Tahoe and these were able to kind of come in and out as they chose, much like the same theory with the Loch Ness Monster and the theories of champ. There's another one called I Lee I believe that's in the Chesapeake Bay or that's Chessy the Chesapeake Bay of Virginia. 233 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:24,980 All of these are actually you know kind of based off the same theory that at some point another canal system was opened. And these, you know, for lack of a better term dinosaur was able to kind of swim in. 234 00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:29,980 Is this a is this a hollow earth theory, it sounds like a hollow earth theory. 235 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:37,980 Potentially, it sounds like a hot but is ogle pogo is that a lake monster. Or am I hallucinating that. 236 00:20:37,980 --> 00:20:45,980 I'm pretty sure ogle pogo is like monster as well. I don't know dude there's there's so many lake monsters and they're all basically the exactly the fucking same. 237 00:20:45,980 --> 00:21:09,980 I was like, you know, especially I mean how would it think of it this way. So the I want to say the earliest. If my memory serves the early one of the earlier settings of Nessie was in the late 1800s while the early you know, starting of Tessie was early to late to early 1800s depending on who you ask. 238 00:21:09,980 --> 00:21:14,980 So for that kind of word of mouth to travel, and the same descriptions kind of heaven. 239 00:21:14,980 --> 00:21:17,980 I mean, that's the same thing. 240 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:32,980 That's the same thing as like with like Bigfoot or Sasquatch like there's settings something that all around the world. There's no way that like, it's also the same thing as like, I have to get like religious because I don't believe in any of that but every culture in the world has a great flood 241 00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:44,980 story all happening around the same time and there's no way they can all have that same thought process I guess for their mythology. So I guess it kind of makes sense. I don't know dude. 242 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:46,980 The world's fucking weird man. 243 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:48,980 The world was an empire. 244 00:21:48,980 --> 00:21:50,980 I hate it so much. 245 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:56,980 But there's also like, all right, sorry, do you have more of your story I keep Ruby went off for a bit. 246 00:21:56,980 --> 00:22:07,980 No, so I mean there's been a few sightings up until actually the last major sighting was in about 2004 to 2000. The original article that sighting was came out in 2004. 247 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:14,980 The woman interviewed about it in 2005, I kind of discredit it this a little bit just because it doesn't really match everything else in the way that it moves. 248 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:21,980 This is kind of like the 2014 Lone Frog Man sighting was clearly just a dude holding two flashlights over his eyes. 249 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:23,980 Yeah, exactly. 250 00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:30,980 No, so I mean that the last reported sighting was in about was talked about in 2005. 251 00:22:30,980 --> 00:22:33,980 There's a few news articles over in 2005. 252 00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:36,980 But it's from an off duty. 253 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:40,980 Barton. Oh, so she's just getting off shift. 254 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:43,980 Yeah, she's just getting off shift she's driving around the. 255 00:22:43,980 --> 00:23:01,980 Don't click that link just yet. She's driving around the shorelines trying to get home, and she apparently saw what she describes a very large animals swimming within the water, however, she said that it reminded her of how she saw a, you know, her dog swim and how she saw local bears swim you know rivers near her. 256 00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:18,980 So it doesn't quite fit that description of being a serpent or a reptile and how the reptiles swim. It also doesn't really fit the bill of the description because the way that she described it as a large mass and it didn't really have a longer head or longer reptile, you know, look to it, but there have been, you know, people. 257 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:21,980 Exactly. It could also just be a bear. 258 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:37,980 Okay, could just be a bear. I don't know anything about the the the the wildlife in this area. So who the fuck knows. Am I exactly is this a picture of that you're sending me the picture. Yeah. So if you want to click a picture that I sent you in the chat, that's actually what Tahoe Tessie looks like. 259 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:44,980 All right. I'm worried that this might open up in the same tab. I don't think it will. But if it does, I'm sorry if this cuts off real quick. 260 00:23:44,980 --> 00:23:57,980 Okay, it didn't. Thank Christ. All right, here we go. There's something out there. The enduring legend of Tahoe Tessie. Wait, is this? Hold on. 261 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,980 You sent me. So I'm assuming the first picture. 262 00:24:00,980 --> 00:24:08,980 Can you describe. Hold on. Is this the first picture you tell me to describe the first picture underneath the headline that you sent me, because this is a dude on a way. 263 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:28,980 I'm going to take a look at the. This is a dude in a dinosaur onesie like for children standing on a paddleboard kneeling on a paddleboard holding it to fuck you. 264 00:24:28,980 --> 00:24:42,980 Actually, this is kind of what both Mickey Daniels have said that this is kind of, you know, mostly pretty much what he saw and a few other viewers saw it. So it does look a little bit more menacing than the Loch Ness monster doesn't kind of have that. 265 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:52,980 I do. I'm just has more of a raptor look to it. Hold on. I'm just vibing with this dude in the fucking Tessie costume because I love this so much. 266 00:24:52,980 --> 00:25:03,980 Oh, my God, it's adorable. Fuck out of here, man. All right. So what's so sad? Send me. Send me a real thing. You send it. 267 00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:08,980 So the second one is mostly what people have seen. 268 00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:24,980 I just sent you the link. Yeah, that's see, that's what I assumed it would be. Only this one looks like it only has two front fins and not four because I'm so it does have the foot. So obviously this is this renditioning does have the two fins. 269 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:27,980 But people have said that it does kind of have more of that raptor head. 270 00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:43,980 Yo, this I was just going to say this fucking fuck this man. It's very clever girl. Tessie is a nightmare. All right. So hold on, dude. This is I hate this. 271 00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:48,980 Yeah, it's like kind of terrifying. Yeah. See, this is not like see, this is why. 272 00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:59,980 All right. So here's the here's what I found out about different cultures like like in Japan, they like the yokai, like the Kappa and all that stuff. But they always make them so fucking cute. 273 00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:07,980 You know what I mean? Like in America is like, no, we're going to make this shit fucking scary. Yeah, like, dude, like, can we just like, come on, just make it wholesome for the family. 274 00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:27,980 Well, I mean, even look at like the descriptions of Loch Ness or Nessie, you know, most of them, you know, for the most part, really don't look that aggressive. But at the same time, there's really been no reported instance of Nessie nudging into boats or even pick videos or accounts of Nessie hunting anything. Right. But there's quite a few accounts. 275 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:32,980 That's because Nessie came from the Black Lodge when after Alistair Crowley moved there. 276 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:47,980 Yeah. And it opened up the gate with the Star Child ritual. Exactly. Or moon child, whatever ritual he was doing. It was moon child ritual. It was moon child. OK. I don't think I don't even think he was doing that. I think just his presence brought like opened a veil and all these fucking cryptids started popping out. 277 00:26:47,980 --> 00:27:02,980 Yeah. Valen. But yeah, that's Tahoe Tessie. I mean, sorry. That's Tahoe Tessie. I think it's really cool. I'm a big fan of Lake Monster, so I figured this would be a good a good little hop into it. No, I fucking that was good. I like that. 278 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:29,980 Dude, I see. So there's like a few cryptids that I don't fuck with just because like they're all like every sighting is the same. It's like like Bigfoot. Like I there's I mean, to say that there isn't some sort of like giant monster, not monster, but like the state is not like a primate living in the American frontier or wilderness that we don't know about is would be like saying there's no aliens. 279 00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:59,980 We don't know. There's a lot of that shit's unexplored. But I just don't I don't buy into it. Lake Monsters and the same way. But this was a really good story. It's cool. My thing is I just don't fuck with Lake Monster because I because they're it's easy to say you saw something in a lake with no proof. You know what I mean? I could say I could say I went to Lake Winnipesaukee and saw a fucking monster. Right. I mean, I think that's isn't there something in Winnipesaukee like to begin with. Oh, I have no idea. Is there something for another time for another time? It probably is. It's probably called. And it's probably 280 00:27:59,980 --> 00:28:29,980 called Winnie because it's awful. But now I mean, my thing is this. I mean, there is still so much that we don't know about, obviously, cryptozoology, because it is the research of unknown animals and all that fun stuff. But I think that there's something to be said about the fact that these things have been going on for at this point. Two hundred plus years. You know, it's definitely a and for all we know, it could have been a very large sturgeon. Right. There could have been very large fish in that lake. That's also a theory. 281 00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:34,940 The thing is, it's always a large sturgeon. And you're telling me there's sturgeon in every fucking lake across the world. 282 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:39,480 See, that's why I'm conflicted, because I don't buy into lake monsters. I don't buy into Bigfoot. 283 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:44,380 But also the same time, like you can tell me that's a fucking bear. You can tell me that's a sturgeon. 284 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:55,580 I mean, I have this weird like I have this weird skeptic, but also believing brain where like both of my thoughts conflict one another and I can't get over it. 285 00:28:55,580 --> 00:29:00,540 Oh, yeah. My thing is like. I like I don't know. I like being outdoors. 286 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:09,300 I like like like fishing. And I've seen like I've seen videos of dudes pulling out like monster surgeons, like 15 feet long, like 20 feet long. 287 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:15,240 And like I can you know, I could see that being perceived as a cryptid or things of that nature. 288 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:24,660 But, you know, that takes away the fun of like all the folklore that goes along with, you know, Nessie, with Tessie, with Winnie, with Chessie, you know, like all the ease. 289 00:29:24,660 --> 00:29:27,460 Just to be clear, I'm pretty sure we made up Winnie. I don't think that's real. 290 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,180 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 291 00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:34,940 You know, you know, I'm going to I'm going to write a whole episode on Winnie just to see if I can get that to be a real thing. 292 00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:38,140 Oh, I'm sure we can talk to some drunk people in Lakota. 293 00:29:38,140 --> 00:29:39,820 I saw something in the water. 294 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:46,500 I'm going to fabricate the whole thing and I'm going to and I'm going to I'm probably going to work on that right now just to pass it off as a real episode. 295 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,460 But the thing is, we won't release it for like another year just to see if like. 296 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:51,780 Oh, and that's the April Fool's of 2024. 297 00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:57,020 Oh, yeah, that wraps up Tahoe Tessie. 298 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:58,860 Dave, thanks for having me on the show. 299 00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:02,500 It was a good time. Yeah, thank you for again. 300 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:04,900 I'm a terrible guest. 301 00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,740 I this this episode went off the rails a billion times, but I had a lot of fun. 302 00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:11,100 It was really fun to not have to like do any of the work. 303 00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:13,740 But no, that was a blast, man. Thank you so much for coming on. 304 00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:16,980 Dave, thanks for thanks for having me. 305 00:30:16,980 --> 00:30:18,460 It's a pleasure, as always. 306 00:30:18,460 --> 00:30:21,540 Thanks for taking time out of your bachelor party. 307 00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:28,540 I'm going to go crack another one of these and I've had I've had four since we started recording. 308 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:31,500 Oh, I love that for you. Yeah, it's Saturday. 309 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,820 It's hot as fuck in here. I'm dying. 310 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:36,100 Yeah, what's the temperature up in old Philly right now? 311 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,220 Oh, I don't know about the temperature outside. 312 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:41,580 I just know that I had to close all my windows just now. 313 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:43,220 So there's no outside noise. 314 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:48,620 And now I'm in a like 10 by 10 room and I'm fucking sweating balls. 315 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:50,980 Popped a PBR. He's sweating. Hey. 316 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:56,860 So Nicholas, before we say goodbye, is there anything you want to plug? 317 00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:58,820 Is there anything you want to say? Anything you want to do? 318 00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:02,460 Well, I'd like to rule the world. 319 00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:04,180 That'd be fun. OK, I meant like. 320 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:09,780 No, so I just started a sweet little watch business. 321 00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:13,260 I'm going to be selling some some cooler nostalgic watches. 322 00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:17,100 A couple have a bunch of Jurassic Park watches that I'm going to be throwing up there soon, 323 00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,260 which is very cool. Very excited about that. 324 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:21,020 They plastic from the Burger King days. 325 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:22,700 Yeah, they're the Burger King days. 326 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:24,100 Oh, shit. Hold up. Oh, no. 327 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,540 I fuck. I don't know what I do with it. 328 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:29,660 Oh, I gave it away. I had the Burger King Boba Fett and Jenga. 329 00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:30,900 Oh, nice. Yeah. 330 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,740 But I put it in someone's stocking for Christmas. 331 00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:35,300 Love that for you. 332 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:38,580 See, if you want to give me a phone Instagram, it's Neo Vintage Nick. 333 00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:40,500 Just just give me a follow. 334 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:45,340 I crack jokes and post memes if you're in the watches or in the, you know, nostalgia. 335 00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:47,580 And yeah, give me give me a whirl. 336 00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:51,620 Also, Nick's really good at marketing and like stuff like that. 337 00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:53,620 You should just do that. 338 00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:57,700 And by that, I mean, why don't I just make you in charge of the Cryptic 339 00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:59,060 Cocktail Party Instagram? 340 00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,540 Because I do not post as regularly as I should. 341 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:03,540 I would love that. 342 00:32:03,540 --> 00:32:06,580 Send me the Instagram passwords and I will have a field day. 343 00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:10,220 You heard that inundate Nick with all your Instagram passwords. 344 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:13,900 He definitely will take care of all your social media marketing. 345 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:15,740 No, absolutely not. 346 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,340 All right. Also, why don't we plug your your other podcast you got going on? 347 00:32:21,780 --> 00:32:24,500 The The Two Dads One Cup podcast. 348 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:30,580 Oh, yeah. So my two dads, one cup, one of my very good friends, Mike Caruso, 349 00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:32,260 and I have a show called The Dadcast. 350 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:36,420 We are currently on a on a little bit of a break before we do season two. 351 00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:39,340 So we're working on some podcasts and getting things 352 00:32:39,340 --> 00:32:42,260 like or working on some new episodes, getting some more content ready for you. 353 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,780 But we hope to be back up by May 15th. 354 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:48,740 So give us a follow at the Dadcast and find us on Spotify. 355 00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:51,500 Yeah. Do all of that, please. 356 00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,020 I was not paying attention. 357 00:32:56,820 --> 00:32:58,660 But yeah. 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