1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network 2 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,280 Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of cryptid cocktail party 3 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,440 I am your host Dave and oh shit 4 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,400 This is a show where we have a few drinks share a few laughs and take a dive into the unknown 5 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,320 I did it again. This is the second week in a row that I forgot how to do my own 6 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Today I'm joined by good friend AJ Westcott 7 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,280 I don't know if you want me to say your last name if not, I'll bleep it out 8 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,320 But anyways, how you doing bud? I'm doing good man. That's fine. You can leave my name in there. Okay, nobody knows me 9 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,200 It's fine. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I know you that's all that really matters 10 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,120 That's true. And now tens of people will know who you are as well. Oh 11 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,840 Good a whole tens of people 12 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:12,860 Well, I'm glad you could join me today we had a little bit of technical difficulties the past hour trying to 13 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Get going but hey, we made it. Yeah, we made here we are. Yeah, that's all that matters 14 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Who would have thought? 15 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:23,720 Look at us 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,720 AJ well, mm-hmm. Let me ask you one question 17 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Yes, are you a cryptist guy? 18 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,240 Hell yeah, man. Are you? 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,240 Yeah, I mean you are drinking Basquatch. I 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,480 I am drinking Basquatch. You are which is a cryptid that I cannot get enough of and by that 21 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,720 I mean, it's fucking batshit insane and wild and I don't think it's real. I don't think it's real either 22 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,480 I think they just made it up, but I love it. It's pretty good. What are you drinking? 23 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,720 I'm drinking a I'm drinking a shandy linen kugel. Oh 24 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,960 One of them and ages dude, it's nice out fucking sons out guns out whether today, baby 25 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Well, I went so I went to the beer store because I found out that Blue Moon made a horchata beer 26 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Oh, yeah. Oh, I have had that that's right 27 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,200 I was really excited because I went to this place called standard deviant in San Francisco 28 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,440 And they had a horchata beer on tap. It was like a it was like a nitro brew 29 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,600 So it was like that Guinness II like the bubbles down type thing. Love nitro beer 30 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,520 Yeah, but they they couldn't figure out a way to can it so I couldn't bring any home 31 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,680 Okay, so I found out that Blue Moon makes a like makes a horchata beer 32 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,720 And then I went to the beer store today and I was like, you know 33 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,720 Do you sell this and they're like never even heard of it? I was like fine, whatever 34 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,720 So I got these shandies and I go to the register 35 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,800 which is the shandies are a violently different beer than a 36 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,520 nitro brood, but I 37 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,920 Get the rest of you's like, yeah, so I was doing some research and it looks like they did do it 38 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:54,440 But they discontinued it in 2018. So I don't know how I 39 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:56,440 like oh 40 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,840 I don't know. I was very I had it. I got it in a I got a sample pack like years ago 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,000 the horchata 42 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,120 Blue Moon 43 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Was it good? I can't imagine it was bad 44 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:12,320 It was all right back to you to remember. I I really don't remember it. I don't I I 45 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Wouldn't take it out of bed. It was all right 46 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,760 I'll take that. All right, AJ. Let's get let's get diving into this episode 47 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Okay, what are you hoping to get out of this? Like what like what like what kind of cryptid do you were you hoping to hear about today? 48 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:27,960 I 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,280 I don't know. I mean you I 50 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,240 Have no idea you teased a while ago that you were gonna do the sleaze stack looking one. Oh 51 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,600 But that was a while ago when we first talking about me being on the show so 52 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,760 I don't know. I mean, I'm just looking for just a fun time. It's day drinking time 53 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,960 I get to do that. Yeah, you you kick the whole family out just to do this 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,680 the whole family 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,240 Alright, well AJ I'm gonna take on a journey today. We're not just gonna go in America 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,240 We're gonna go abroad as well at some point 57 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,320 But first let's start out in the Ozarks 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,640 You familiar? Oh, yeah, but I mean with the show. All right, so 59 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,760 The Ozarks also known as the Ozark Mountains Ozark Highlands or the Ozark Plateau 60 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,400 It's it's a massive stretch of land that occupies parts of Missouri 61 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,400 Arkansas 62 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:29,160 Oklahoma and according to Wikipedia the extreme southeast corner of Kansas. I don't know. Oh 63 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,480 It's home to some of the most beautiful places in the world 64 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Oh, it's home to some of the most beautiful scenery in all of the United States 65 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,320 It's got hiking trails the Mark Twain National Forest the Ozark Trail 66 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:47,280 It's had warships named after the region and like you said it has a TV show 67 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:52,680 Starring the dude from Arrested Development and that one chick from a German car art show that I can't remember the name of 68 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,840 Yeah, it's a whole thing. It's also 69 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,000 It's also got a massive cave network trails and also fun fact 70 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,800 I learned this the mountains in the Ozarks were not formed by tectonic shifting but from erosion 71 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,880 I don't know how it's it's not yeah 72 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:15,240 So it's not when to stop from when like two plates come together or when they like go it's it was made that way 73 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,320 He said you said Ozark Plateau. So was it just a giant piece of flat earth that just then 74 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,360 Turned into a mountain dude. I don't know. I'm not a geologist 75 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:30,520 I'm just I'm just just letting you know what I learned while researching this but 76 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:38,440 Whatever we're not here to discuss that today. I want to tell you about the beast known as the Ozark Howler 77 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,520 So 78 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,520 The Ozark Howler goes by many names 79 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:50,840 Like the Ozark Black Howler the nightshade bear the devil cat the whistling campus and my personal favorite 80 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:56,680 My personal favorite the hoo-hoo the hoo-hoo. Oh man 81 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,000 So this thing is described as being about the size of a bear 82 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,600 Having gray or black fur stocky legs like a corgi and 83 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,800 Like a thick body and I'm talking like thick with two seas just absolute 84 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,160 dumb thick 85 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,440 It's got glowing red eyes and and very prominent horns now 86 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,440 I've seen a few depictions of it some have them curled like a ram's horn 87 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,560 Some of them are like bulls horns. Some are just horns that are facing backwards 88 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,100 But I like the ram horn one the best I think that suits it, okay 89 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,880 You have no opinion on the horns? 90 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,000 No problem intrigued by the backward horns 91 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:49,000 They're just like they're slow backward. Yeah, like they curve over the head. Mm-hmm. Okay. No, all right 92 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,360 I 93 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,380 Don't know. I feel like I need to see it. No, I'll send you a picture. Whoo-hoo. Whoo-hoo. Whoo-hoo now 94 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,400 it's howl is described as a combination of a hyenas laugh a 95 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Wolf's howl and an Elks bugle 96 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Haunting 97 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,320 It's it's I mean 98 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,680 All those mixed together doesn't sound like a good time 99 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,760 But even I saw I was looking up the sounds of this beforehand just to see what they yeah 100 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,960 None of those sounds are pleasant to begin with 101 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:29,160 They're all terrifying an elk is terrifying. Oh, yeah, dude. Now imagine all those mashed together into one sound 102 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,360 I don't want to do that if I was hiking in the Ozarks and I heard 103 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,480 First of all, if I heard ever heard any of those individually 104 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,040 I would cry 105 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:43,320 But to hear like that as one sound I did fuck I did fuck around and try and 106 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,360 So I went into adobe audition and I just put all those sounds on top of one another 107 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Yeah, and they it was just a mash of noise 108 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,840 but 109 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Because I didn't do any sort of layering I was just like let's see what they all sound like on top of one another and 110 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,760 It was not good 111 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,120 It probably sounds just like that. It's just not a good time. It's all bad 112 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Now sightings of the creature date back to around the 1950s, but one story dates back even further 113 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,680 Going to the 1800s where legend has it American folk hero Daniel Boone 114 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,000 Wrote a letter to his sister-in-law saying he encountered an unknown black horn creature with a terrible howl 115 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,920 while on a hunting trip in what is now known as Cuba, Missouri and 116 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Like any good frontiersman he shot at it, of course 117 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Yeah 118 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,800 I don't know if he killed it or if like he like whatever but he said he said he did wound it. So 119 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,120 It's whatever 120 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,520 it's even been mentioned in books dating back to 121 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,040 uh the 1930s and 40s like tales of the osar howler and osar 122 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:50,120 superstitions 123 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,800 Even author Laura Ingalls Wilder best known for her autobiography autobiography. Oh my god 124 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,400 autobiographical series little house series 125 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Like little house on the prairies. She wrote those books. Yeah 126 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Uh mentions in a story in her 1932 book little house in the big woods 127 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,320 About how her grandfather encountered a large black cat black cat type creature 128 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,720 Uh, it said that this thing chased him down on horseback through the woods 129 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,040 He was on horseback not the not the stocky ass 130 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,840 Not the howler 131 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Uh 132 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:34,520 Chasing down on horseback through the woods was jumping from tree branch to tree branch and then finally jumping down in front of him 133 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,240 And then presumably either fucking off back into the woods or killing him horrifically 134 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,840 I did I don't know. I didn't read the book and I didn't investigate any further past 135 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,720 jumping down in front of him 136 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,920 Oh shit 137 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Hey, dude, could you imagine? 138 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,200 Dude, how fat like how fast does this thing have to be where you're on a horse? 139 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,960 And this thing is keeping up with you but also keeping up with you right in the trees in the trees 140 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Yeah, jumping around all nimbly pimbly on tiny ass legs these little corgi legs these little corgi legs 141 00:10:05,220 --> 00:10:06,840 disproportionately 142 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,000 You said it's the size of a bear size of a bear 143 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,480 with 144 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,760 Okay 145 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,600 It just said sure stubby legs. I added in the corgi bit. I don't know if they're actually that short 146 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,400 I just know that it said it stubby legs. So I was the one that had that little like little 147 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 little foot stools for legs 148 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,360 Before we dive into 149 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,400 The next bit, uh, we'll take a minute to promote another podcast on the wonderful pod moth network that we are now a part of 150 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,800 Uh, so let's do that real quick 151 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:47,320 Do you love unraveling a good old-fashioned hood on it? Oh honey me too 152 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,960 I'm alicia armchair detective and host of dead on a true crime podcast 153 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:02,840 Join me every friday. We'll dive into a case that scratches your itch for true crime dark history and mystery 154 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,400 Streaming now everywhere. You love to listen 155 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:17,080 Um, okay, we're back. Uh, yeah, you didn't hear anything. I i'm gonna 156 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,640 I'm gonna i'm gonna edit that in later. It's uh, did we just time travel? 157 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Damn those bass watches are hitting hard you blacked out for a minute, man 158 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,280 Are you okay? 159 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:34,120 I this is my first one. I don't drink anymore. So yeah, that hit hard. Oh, well, i'm glad I could uh break you 160 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,360 Of your sobriety. It's fantastic. No, it's just parent foot. I don't get to 161 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,480 I don't get to enjoy my libations as much as anymore. Yeah. Well, that's what having kids will do to you 162 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,760 Sure does. You know, I real quick side note. I can't wait to draw this thing 163 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,160 This thing's gonna be amazing. Yeah, i'm gonna send you some uh, some pictures 164 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:57,080 I know what i'm thinking of what are you thinking? Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, no, it's all you baby 165 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,160 You remember the herculoids 166 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Hercule the cartoon the herculoids. No, is it like the gargoyles? Oh, it's a what gargoyle is like gargoyles 167 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,880 No, it's like an old school like he man looking knockoff 168 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,360 but from like hannah barbera made the herculoid and 169 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,760 one of the 170 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,280 one of the 171 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Animals that like was like a main character is what i'm really basing off the the 172 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,640 The silhouette of this thing now i'm gonna have to look that up 173 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:35,900 You're gonna have to look it up man a shot like fireballs out of a hollow tusk in its face. It's fantastic 174 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,360 Oh, no 175 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,120 It's called the herculoids 176 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,120 The herculoids I hate it so much 177 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Now 178 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,840 When I was giving you the rundown of this episode at work the other day when I was saying how 179 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,000 I couldn't find too many like 180 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Real sightings of this thing. There are a few spatted around there, but it was really hard to find like credible 181 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,320 like 182 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,320 Actual sightings of it now there like I said 183 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,800 There aren't many credible recorded recorded sightings of the ozark howler outside of like legend and folklore that have been reported over the past 184 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Like 200 years or whatever 185 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,000 There are some but thanks to a string of emails sent out in the early 2000s to a shitload of 186 00:13:15,540 --> 00:13:19,560 Cryptozoologists from a bunch of burner accounts claiming to have evidence of the ozark howler 187 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,160 um 188 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,160 it was kind of 189 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Uh, a lot of people just started saying that that the whole thing was just a hoax, but it was it was debunked 190 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:34,280 The emails were debunked as a hoax. Uh, thanks to lauren colman who's a prominent cryptozoologist who looked into the emails 191 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Uh, and he discovered it was just some college kid trying to prove how easy it is to fool the cryptid community 192 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,440 Which I mean, it's not that hard 193 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:47,960 It's been done a million times by like dudes in planet of the apes costumes and like bigfoot people just eat that shit up 194 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,360 No question like oh, yeah 195 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,360 So I mean 196 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,480 I'm not surprised that that happened 197 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:02,680 And okay, but it was caught on pretty quickly other cryptozoologists also claim the ozark howler to be an all-around hoax 198 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,400 Uh, like author of cryptozoology chad armand 199 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,840 Uh, he also believes it's a hoax due to him receiving the previously mentioned email 200 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Uh, but for all these people to claim it's a hoax due to like one bad actor 201 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,760 It's kind of bullshit and I feel like it does discredit those who truly 202 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,760 Believe they they saw something 203 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,760 Yeah now 204 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Uh, anyone who's listening or even maybe uaj. You know that if you if you live in a rural area 205 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,760 You have a you have a pretty good idea of what's supposed to be there and what isn't 206 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Yeah, especially if you're someone who like frequently hunts 207 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,880 Uh hikes or just likes to be out in the woods doing whatever black masses or something. Whatever you do in the woods 208 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Uh, so the so the people who claim they've seen 209 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,840 People who claim to seen the ozark howler know they're seeing something that 210 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Isn't supposed to be there. You know, I mean like I grew up in new hampshire 211 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,840 I I think if I saw like I know there's bears there's deer 212 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,800 You know every once in a while you get like a mountain lion 213 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Kind of type thing, but I think I would know if I saw something that wasn't supposed to fucking be there like in 214 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,280 Yeah, if you're used to seeing a bear and then you see a bear with horns you're going wait a minute 215 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:18,840 That's shanning, right? Yeah, so I feel like just just just to say that for that guy to say that the whole thing is a hoax all around 216 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,520 Is kind of bullshit because I feel like if you live in the ozarks you have you know, what's there? 217 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,920 Yeah, probably although isn't the ozarks like I think part of it is like a just a big vacation spot 218 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Yeah, but it also encompasses the extreme southeast 219 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:43,400 Extreme yes, but like I said, uh, like I said up top sightings of the howler go back way further than just some dude 220 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,360 Trolling trying to calm the whole cryptic community 221 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:54,040 In his book chasing american monsters author jason. I think I don't pronounce his last name jason offit 222 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,920 Says uh quote many people have dismissed the ozark howler but howler sightings stretch back to the early 1800s 223 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,360 With uh lauren colman giving his full endorsement of the book saying quote offit does a special service to the field of cryptozoology 224 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,120 With his new book, so I don't know man. No, no one can seem to agree on what the fuck 225 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,560 He was like going on with this thing. It's either. Yeah, it's either not or people believe in it. I don't know 226 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,840 Yeah, who knows it's definitely anything yeah, it's definitely a throw your hands up shrug your chest 227 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Like I was like that the uh, the emoji of that guy just like oh 228 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Uh so aj at this point in the episode you must be asking yourself 229 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Well, what is the ozark howler? 230 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:44,120 What is it? I I am all right. Well, there's a lot of speculation devil cat was another name 231 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Uh, yeah, something like that 232 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Sure 233 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,600 I'm too far down in my script to go back to see what it was. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it was the devil black cat 234 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,920 I don't know the devil black cat. Well, there's there's a lot of a lot of speculation 235 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:06,200 Some say it's just a simple case of misidentification with the usual bullshit explanation saying it's an escape large cat 236 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,880 That got out of its enclosure some say that it's a red wolf 237 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,800 a bear 238 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,740 The thing is there's no large cat coming out of the 239 00:17:14,740 --> 00:17:19,300 Ozarks. There are bears, but from what I gather they're kind of contained in like one part of the Ozarks 240 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,540 And not something that would be seen like all over 241 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:25,140 Okay, you could have like a lone wanderer like a one that just kind of like 242 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:29,140 Decided i'm gonna go on a little trip down to the Ozarks, right? 243 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:34,660 You know what I mean, but I don't know I feel like but not every single one can be 244 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,780 An escape from the Ozarks. I mean, I think it's like a 245 00:17:37,780 --> 00:17:45,540 Ozarks, right? You know what I mean? But I don't know. I feel like but not every single one can be an escaped large cat 246 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:50,420 Like how many people fucking have large cats that just escape? I do know of someone actually. Do you really? 247 00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:52,980 I do you know someone who's a large cat 248 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:55,460 Well, it was the tiger lady of Jackson 249 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,540 Jackson 250 00:17:57,540 --> 00:18:04,420 So in Jackson, New Jersey, which which borders like where great adventure is there was a woman several years ago 251 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:09,460 Who had her own tiger population and them shits got out. Nuh-uh 252 00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:12,580 Yeah in jersey like right over the bridge. Yeah 253 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:16,900 Yeah, oh my god, what an extra great adventure. So you have like the safari 254 00:18:17,540 --> 00:18:20,740 And shit and then this lady had her own 255 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:25,860 Tiger farm and they got out that is insane 256 00:18:26,660 --> 00:18:31,300 Yep, I think like one or two got out but then that caused the whole thing. We everyone knew about it 257 00:18:31,300 --> 00:18:35,860 Oh, yeah, so there's tiger lady over there. But also that's wonder that's one or two too many that are not 258 00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:37,700 Yeah 259 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:41,620 That shit that was four miles from my parents house. We heard about that 260 00:18:41,860 --> 00:18:44,900 No, was this when you were a kid or is this like recently? 261 00:18:45,620 --> 00:18:46,980 um 262 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:52,020 Young adult young adult like like like teenager. I think late teens god damn, dude 263 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:54,100 Yeah 264 00:18:54,100 --> 00:19:01,460 We got a peacock stray from great adventure land on the roof of her house. Jesus where the fuck this is in jersey 265 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:03,540 What is going on in that state? 266 00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:08,660 Great adventure. Well, the whole state is a great adventure. There's a lot going on now 267 00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:13,620 They keep relocating big animals to what used to be my backyard 268 00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:15,220 Really? 269 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,220 Yeah, now there's bears like 270 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,900 In the surrounding area where I grew up there never used to be 271 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:24,820 I can't be good. You can't just release you can't just release animals 272 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:28,740 Oh, hey, there's a bear in jersey city put him in the ass and pink 273 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:31,220 The what? 274 00:19:31,220 --> 00:19:36,420 The ass and pink so it's a while. Wait, hold on. It's called the the ass and pink 275 00:19:37,060 --> 00:19:43,780 Yeah, and it's spelled a s s u n p i n k s on pink. Oh god. Damn it. All right. German, right? 276 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:46,900 All right. Let's get back to the story 277 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:50,820 Sorry, uh some claim that it's a malevolent spirit one that 278 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:54,900 One claims that it's a 279 00:19:56,500 --> 00:20:01,320 Some claim that it is a malevolent spirit one that preys upon the weak and unsuspecting 280 00:20:02,260 --> 00:20:07,140 While others claim it's a protector of the region keeping it safe from those that would want to do it harm 281 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:10,820 Uh now to my this is my favorite explanation as to what the whole 282 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:13,460 The the howler could be 283 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:19,300 Uh, some say that since the area has a lot of was a lot of like Scottish Irish and waltz shuttlers in the region 284 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:22,040 Who brought along with them? Obviously their stories and traditions 285 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:26,040 That it could be the mythological hound known as the kushi 286 00:20:26,820 --> 00:20:33,780 Now koo means hound and she meaning of the fairy realm and this is according to some guy I found on youtube 287 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:35,860 Who helped me with the pronunciations of the word? 288 00:20:36,260 --> 00:20:37,700 uh 289 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:41,300 Is fear like this one? This is a good one. It is feared by those who believe 290 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:48,100 Uh who believe in it to be the harbinger of death an entity that would come to take the soul of a person to the afterlife 291 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:53,620 Uh now i'm not very knowledgeable on scottish folklore or any folklore from that area of the world 292 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:59,700 But from what I gathered this creature also known as the hound of death is said to have shaggy dark green fur 293 00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:05,700 A long coiled or braided tail with the appearance of a wolf but about the size of a young bull 294 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:08,820 And the paws are about the size of a man's hands 295 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:10,820 Jesus yeah 296 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,180 so 297 00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:20,100 Uh, the kushi would hunt in almost complete silence, but on occasion would let out three loud haunting cries 298 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:23,220 Only three no more no less 299 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:25,860 Everyone gets three 300 00:21:28,180 --> 00:21:30,180 Now according to legend 301 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:35,860 These bays could be heard for miles around even out at sea and if you heard the kushi's bay 302 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:43,300 Saying you have to reach safety before the third or you would be so overcome with fear and dread and terror that you just die 303 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:50,020 So it doesn't actually like kill you you just die from yeah, then it takes your soul 304 00:21:50,740 --> 00:21:52,580 uh to the underworld 305 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:57,700 Giant reaper wolf. Yeah, it's a nightmare. Uh, I love that. That's amazing. So 306 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,820 This it gets even better. The other part of the legend 307 00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:03,540 Says that it's also a warning to lock up 308 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:09,140 Any woman who was nursing or the kushi would snatch them and take them back to the fairy mound? 309 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:11,540 Uh to supply milk for the children of the fe 310 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:14,740 Oh shit 311 00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:16,740 Yeah, so they would just steal nursing mothers and then 312 00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:22,100 Use them as like a dairy farm for little baby fairies. Yo 313 00:22:22,660 --> 00:22:24,660 That's whack right there 314 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:26,580 It's pretty good though, right? 315 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:28,580 Yeah 316 00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:31,940 Now the welsh have a similar legend 317 00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:33,940 of the 318 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:38,180 I had to look this up how to pronounce this too and i'm still probably butchering but it's called well, she's crazy 319 00:22:38,740 --> 00:22:41,220 It's called it's called the uh the kuna noon 320 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:51,940 That sounds about right the kuna noon, uh, who's how who's howls if heard, uh pretty much meant certain death 321 00:22:52,420 --> 00:22:54,420 uh, and 322 00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:56,420 It's it's growl 323 00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:59,220 Its growl is at its loudest when it's at a distance 324 00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:04,580 But grows softer as they draw near and by the time it gets real soft, you're pretty much fucked 325 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:07,540 So you just hear like a faint 326 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:11,540 Yeah, sultry whisper in your ear and you're like, oh that's it. I'm dead. You're fucked 327 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,740 I somehow that's more terrifying than hearing a distant growl. It gets to get louder as it comes towards you 328 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:18,740 Hey 329 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:20,740 But I but I wonder if 330 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:23,220 All right, so 331 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:25,220 Hear me out conspiracy theory time. You ready? 332 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:31,460 Oh, yeah. All right. So the ozark howler has a howl that sounds like three different animals combined together 333 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:34,260 Okay, the kushi 334 00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:36,820 Is known to bark or howl three times? 335 00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:43,540 What if that be that is your house haunted? What if that what if that was me? I hit I hit something 336 00:23:44,260 --> 00:23:45,220 but like 337 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:46,260 Hold on 338 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:50,580 But like what if that are you getting another beer? Yeah, what if that trinity is like? 339 00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,140 Something important 340 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:58,980 Oh shit the celtic trinity that does from fuck right like what it so has so this is three animals together 341 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:01,700 The kushi has three howls 342 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:04,500 Maybe it is it's just 343 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:11,460 Americanized to be three animals instead of three howls. Yo, is this just like a celtic chimera? Yeah, I guess 344 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:14,660 I'm fine with it 345 00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:19,940 I'm fucking I love this. This is my favorite cryptid yet. I think yeah, so yeah, so so the kuna news 346 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:23,220 This is my heritage. I gotta look into this. So the kuna noon is a nightmare 347 00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:27,940 The kushi is a nightmare. The ozark howler is a nightmare. It's all bad 348 00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:34,340 But who knows what the ozark howler like really is where it comes from or even if it's real or not 349 00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:37,540 strange geology calm 350 00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:40,900 Worded it best at the end of their article about it by stating quote 351 00:24:41,220 --> 00:24:45,940 The story of the ozark howler is an interesting one despite the confusion and conflicting information 352 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:50,660 End quote and i'm I have to agree. It's a wild ride and I like to think it's real 353 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:57,700 But who knows I guess it's real. Yeah, it's real i'm endorsing it but uh, but yeah, that's the story of the ozark howler 354 00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:02,820 What do you think that's amazing? It was a good one. I like it. Yeah, it's different. It's weird 355 00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:07,700 I had a question. I forget about it. Are there oh, I remember are there a lot of uh, 356 00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:11,060 You might not know this is probably have to like follow up research 357 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:15,060 Um, are there a lot of like irish or kelts in the osarks? 358 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:18,580 Well, that's so that's the the area was settled 359 00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:22,500 mainly by irish scottish welch and english 360 00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:26,740 Fantastic, that's great. So they brought over all those like 361 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:31,380 stories with them and if I know anything about 362 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:36,340 Belief structures and all these I mean I don't who am I kidding? I don't know anything about anything 363 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:38,340 But there's so there's this amazing 364 00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:44,900 Entity called a tolpa now a tolpa is something that you manifest into the real world basically by believing in it 365 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:50,900 So if enough people in one area believe in a certain thing you can possibly make it real 366 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:53,460 If that makes sense 367 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:59,300 Sure. Yeah. Okay. Let's say you're in the woods at night and you just happen to hear somehow simultaneously 368 00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:01,940 like a wolf howl a 369 00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:04,740 Elk 370 00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:06,020 Bugle 371 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:08,660 I would say a hyena, but that's not really possible 372 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:12,340 But you know, maybe you hear accommodation noises and you're like, oh shit. That's the 373 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:18,820 The kushi. Oh shit, the kushi is coming. Yeah, and then like enough people start believing it's in the area 374 00:26:19,140 --> 00:26:21,140 You could possibly make it real 375 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:23,620 And now that and that could be the osar cowler 376 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:25,540 could be 377 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,060 Yeah, the tolpa 378 00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:29,940 Maybe I like it. Anything could be a tolpa. Yeah 379 00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:32,660 Topo sounds like a fish 380 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,420 It really does 381 00:26:34,420 --> 00:26:36,420 All right. Well, that's the episode 382 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:41,780 Uh, I want to thank you. I want to thank you aj for coming on also aj is the one 383 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:44,340 Who did our wonderful podcast artwork? 384 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:46,100 so 385 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,100 Yeah, thank you aj 386 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:54,420 Do you have anything you want to do any final thoughts on the osar cowler? Uh, you you'd mentioned that one of the 387 00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:00,820 Uh, like one of the things that it could be is like the spirit a spirit of the forest protector of the forest. Yeah 388 00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:04,100 I uh, I dig that you know, that's a cool 389 00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:09,780 Idea that it's there as a protector, but I really like the idea of like a reaper wolf 390 00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:12,740 Yeah, that's just there to just fucking 391 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:16,180 I'm just gonna take your soul. It's pretty brutal, right? 392 00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:23,540 River sticks and so yeah what I was reading as it whispers in your ear when I was reading about the kushi and the uh, 393 00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,540 the kuna noon 394 00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:27,540 They basically pretty much just like the kushi 395 00:27:27,540 --> 00:27:31,460 The kuna noon, uh, they basically pretty much said that it is like 396 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:34,340 a grim reaper type 397 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:35,780 Deal 398 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:39,380 Yeah, or who was the guy that ferried people across the river sticks that guy? 399 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:44,420 You know talk about you know, yeah. Yeah that guy. Yeah 400 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:50,340 Isn't he a grim reaper now? No, I don't know. He's just a guy. All right. Well 401 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:53,220 Thank you so much everyone listening 402 00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:58,020 Uh, please follow us on instagram at cryptic cocktail. Uh 403 00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:01,860 Yeah, that's it I don't think I got anything else to plug 404 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:08,260 Yeah, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to aj and thank you man for having me. This was fun 405 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:12,660 Yeah, yeah, yeah and come back anytime. Maybe next time we can do it in person instead of over the phone 406 00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,220 I mean now that I figured it out. I think it would be easier next time 407 00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:29,220 All right, see you later 408 00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,700 You