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Hello everyone welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we
have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown.
I'm your host Dave and again I am joined by fan favorite Colby Clark back again.
Yes!
What's going on?
I still got the title?
Oh yeah dude fan favorite by far.
There's no way.
Oh yeah dude everyone loves it, I love it.
I'm glad you're back.
I appreciate all the fans out there I just want to say kill your idols.
How you doing bud?
You looking good?
I'm doing good.
Yeah?
I'm doing good.
You're looking good.
Am I though?
Yeah.
Alright I'm like half in the bag dude I've been fucking walking around in the hot sun
drinking out of this growler all day.
I'm feeling pretty good.
What an aggressive name for a drink.
It is but I feel like that should be one of the cryptids you're gonna have a story about.
A growler?
The growler from the from the undergrounds.
I mean I just did one on a howler so I mean I guess that's kind of the same.
It's pretty close.
Alright Colby well I got a fucking episode for you today bud.
I don't think you're ready for this.
I have one question for you.
Yeah.
How do you feel about moose?
How do I feel about moose?
I'm indifferent about moose I guess.
I feel like they're they're pretty crazy creatures.
They're pretty large.
They're pretty big.
Yeah.
But I'm I'm I'm neither here nor there.
You have just really middle of the road.
You wouldn't kick it out of bed but you wouldn't invite it into bed kind of thing.
Yeah I don't have any specific stories of you know I hate moose.
You didn't have moose?
The moose has never crossed you?
They done me wrong.
No.
But I also don't love meese.
Moose.
A large gathering of of moose's meeses.
No it's just the moose.
The plural of moose is moose.
Kind of like how the plural of Lego is Lego.
Right.
And the plural of bread is bread.
It's not breads.
No you can have an assortment of breads.
Breads I think.
All right.
We're answering the big questions here but yeah it's a crucial episode.
We got to really dive into this.
All right well Colby I'm glad you're indifferent because this story might change your mind.
So moose aren't uncommon in New England where we're both from.
You see them all the time.
They're out in the woods walking down the middle of town.
There was one roaming around Rochester at one point when I was living there.
Standing in a bog or something.
Sometimes the baby ones get confused for Dover demons.
It happens.
Sure sure.
In the pucker brush.
According to the main dot gov website there's an estimated moose population of about 60
to 70 thousand of these things just roaming around making it the biggest.
The biggest population of moose in the lower 48 states.
Fucking wild dude.
That's an infestation.
That's too many moose.
Dang.
But moose.
Meese.
Mooses.
While cool and majestic and shit.
And just a PSA you should definitely break for them because you will die if you hit one.
And those fuckers will just walk it off and then dance on your dumb corpse for even attempting
to plow through it.
But Colby I don't want to just talk about your average run of the mill boilerplate milk
toast moose.
Today we are going to be talking about the spectral moose of Maine.
Spectral.
Spectral moose.
Dang.
I don't even know.
What what do you what don't you know?
Continue.
Spectral.
I mean it's it's very open-ended which I think it's supposed to be right.
All right well the specter moose of Maine also known as the spectral moose is said to
stand about stand between 10 to 15 feet tall and weighing roughly 2500 pounds with the
span of its antlers coming in at about 10 to 12 feet across.
To put that in perspective for you and the listeners the average bull moose which is
a male is about six feet tall weighing anywhere between 800 pounds on the smaller side to
1500 pounds.
If it's like a really big fucker with an average antler span of about six feet.
So this is like a big fucking chunk of a moose that we're talking about today.
Yeah.
All right.
The spectral moose is also said to have bright white fur head to hoof and has a soft glow
emitting from it.
It's been said it can walk through walls and even has the ability to disappear without
a trace.
All right.
What?
Okay.
What?
It was a normal moose at first.
No it wasn't it was twice the size of a normal moose at first.
Well yeah it's large but moose are large in general.
But now it's just walking through walls and shit.
Yeah.
Now it's just a big old glowing white moose that can walk through walls.
Don't forget the glowing part.
It's it's it's ghost glow moose now.
Okay.
It's spectral.
Spectral in nature.
Spectral in nature bud.
Now all right.
All right.
Now the first sighting of the spectral moose was in 1891 when a hunting guide named Clarence
Duffy was working around Lobster Lake in Piscataqua County.
He didn't get close enough.
He didn't get close enough to shoot it which seems to be like everyone's reaction when
they see things that they don't quite understand.
But he did get a pretty good look at it and freaked out by his encounter with this fucking
nightmare horror moose.
He went back to everyone and started telling his story where obviously he was met with
laughter and ridicule.
But lucky for him just a few short months later his story would be corroborated by a
lumberman from Bangor named John Ross.
He also saw the spectral moose down by Lobster Lake.
Now later later that same year an unnamed New York hunter was near a lake whose name
I am not going to even attempt to pronounce because I'm sure it would be super offensive
to the Native Americans that it's named after if I tried.
So I'm just gonna leave it at Lake.
Okay.
Probably a good call.
Yeah.
Now he saw the massive moose and fired some shots at it.
Now Colby do you think his shooting the moose had any effect?
I'm gonna assume he missed and had no effect.
No of course.
Minimal effect.
It just he hit it and then it just pissed him off so he decided to charge at the man
who was forced to hide in the cave for a couple hours until the moose just kind of gave up.
I'm assuming that it was just too big to like go in the cave and just fucking kick a hole
in his chest.
So he found a nearby cave and he's like all right this this works.
Yeah so he just hidden there until the moose was like what am I gonna do.
I don't really care about this anymore.
The bigger fish to fry.
The next year in 1892 another New York hunter named Howard Van Ness and three of his drinkers.
All right now we're getting into the cool names.
I was gonna say the first couple names are like this story is not real.
Their names are cool enough.
All the other stories you told me their names are fucking wild names.
Was that dude's name Milt?
Come on.
No there's so the first year the first few names were pretty common.
They get better as they go along trust me.
Okay.
Do you try.
All right.
They they fucking better.
Now Van Ness and three of his drinking slash hunting buddies were hunting about 30 miles
northeast of Norcross.
Somehow Van Ness got separated from his crew when he came across the spectral moose describing
it as quote weighed a ton and as tall as a camel with magnificent head and antler just
he was really admiring this thing.
Nice.
And then of course he shot at it.
Now sure it was beautiful.
So I fucking fired by now hitting it just above the shoulder.
The moose let out a guttural bellow and then he grunted and then it charged at him and
then Van Ness ran and took shelter under some fallen trees.
Now he claimed that the moose then circled his hiding spot at an alarming speed.
So just fucking hoofing it around even jumping over where he was hiding a few times before
again just losing interest and then moving on.
Now after jumping over the cave.
No no no.
He was a different guy.
Okay.
He was under fallen trees.
He just a couple of times he just jumped over the whole cave.
Yeah just you know he's like no big deal.
No dude he was fucking spectral moose.
He can do whatever he wants.
Although if you walk through walls why didn't you just go into the cave.
Okay all right.
All right.
No I don't want to start doing that.
We're not going to start debunking this.
Now we're putting the pieces together here all right.
Now after Howard's encounter with the specter moose got around hunters quickly descended
into Maine to try and bag that fucker and mount its head on their wall as a macabre
trophy because as a human species we aren't allowed to just let beautiful things remain
untouched but unfortunately they never even saw the big guy.
It wouldn't be seen again until about 1895 by my voice is cracked so hard.
By a taxidermist from Bangor named Granville Gray.
Now we're talking.
But even then it was just from a distance.
Now four years later in 1899 a Massachusetts man by the name Gilman Brown claims to have
gotten close enough to the moose while near the Roche River to count the points on one
side of its antlers which he counted as 22 which is a lot.
Most moose I believe only have like eight to ten points if I read it or if I'm remembering
correctly.
So again just he's admiring this beautiful creature really taking in what it looks like
and then he fired five shots at it because fuck it.
Again as well you know take a couple.
Yeah it didn't phase the animal.
And this time it didn't charge him it simply just kind of mean mugged him and then just
fucked off.
He said I got shit to do.
Yeah.
Can't be fucking dealing with this getting shot at.
From the side.
Get out of here.
Now over the next few years there were some more sightings one in 1901 by a Boston man
and then another in 1906.
This is probably my favorite story.
George Neeland was riding his bicycle which in my head it was one of those like giant
bikes with like the big front wheel and a tiny back wheel and he had to use like a step
stool to get on and off of it.
When he got pretty close to the animal initially he thought it was a horse you know one of
the 15 foot tall horses with massive antlers super common in New England.
But after stopping to get a closer look and realizing it wasn't a horse and just a giant
moose said moose just kind of charges at him unprovoked.
So he was forced to bail off his bicycle and then climb up a tree for safety and not having
posable thumbs.
The moose couldn't really follow him up there but probably would have if it was capable
instead it just kind of checked out the bike for a bit and then walked into the forest
without doing anything further than that.
Sick bike over here with one big wheel one small wheel coming up with these days.
What is that a red line you got fucking pegs on that dude?
You got pegs on that bike?
Fucking bring me down to zombies.
Got a little ring on the side.
I was about to ask if that was your bike bell.
It was bad at first and then it got better.
Oh yeah you did the second time around it was good.
Maybe I'll edit in I'll just replace the audio.
There you go appreciate it.
Appreciate your confidence in my.
Now Colby we're hammering through this so before we kind of get into a little more.
So far your thoughts on the spectral moose.
There's so many sightings.
There's so many accounts of meeting up with this moose and just sometimes it's just like
he just didn't care that he was seen and he just kept on moving.
He's clearly got some shit to do but almost every time somebody's taking a shot at him.
That's every story we've talked about ever is someone's taking shots at this fucking
right.
Right.
Although it is the 1800s.
I feel like every like no one gives a fuck like they're like yeah I'll take that.
You shoot at anything.
Yes fucking manifest destiny baby fucking take what you want.
That's right.
I think you should have shot out of more.
You putting those sunglasses on really changed your demeanor.
Are they sunglasses though or they Mars glasses.
You know I'm saying they are they ski skiing glasses.
I can't really tell nobody skiing.
Do you mean doing cocaine off of a giant mirror.
I mean skiing.
Yeah I mean I mean like skiing wink wink.
Yeah.
For the people that are listening as you saying skiing he is tapping his nostrils.
Did not for the investigators.
No but the wink wink the audible wink wink probably didn't help.
Yeah.
Well did I say that shit.
No I meant to say that.
No.
After the bicycle guy climbed a tree and hit from the moose after this the Spectrum Moose
would not be seen would only be seen sporadically throughout the years with some sightings in
1932.
Another rash of sightings occurring in 1938 in the Penobscot River area with one pretty
notable encounter by a hunter named Houston.
No I don't know if that's his first name or his last name is just Houston.
No correlation to NASA.
No but.
Houston the hunter stumbled across a herd of about 16 moose with the females grazing
as three bulls watched over them.
Three of those bull moose were your average size moose while the third was you guessed
it a massive moose with white luminous coloration is what he said.
That was so big Houston the hunter said it made the other look other moose look like
pygmies in comparison.
After turning away for a brief moment I'm assuming to grab his gun to try and kill it
he turned back and the moose simply vanished into thin air.
Now another story of the Spectrum Moose which is even wilder than the ones that we've discussed
so far because since then these have been pretty tame and I wanted to save this one
for last because it is hands down the most fucking wild story I've ever heard and I really
hope that it's true but I'm who knows.
Yes.
You ready for this one.
Spill.
Yes.
Bill and beans.
All right.
So a group of hunters near a stream in central Maine claimed they shot and killed the great
white moose even going so far as to sitting its throw and hanging it to drain so that
they could field dress it the next day.
But when they woke they found the moose carcass was gone assuming it was stolen or like an
animal got to it.
They just went about their day when that evening while they were sitting around their campfire
guess who decided to pay them a surprise visit Colby.
That same motherfucker.
That same motherfucker the Spectrum Moose.
Now its throat was still slit and obviously horrified they again shot it dead for the
second time and again it just got up and calmly walked back into the woods.
Now that's kind of fucked up but it gets even more fucked up ear.
The story continues.
Dang.
Now it's unkillable.
So soon after 90 miles north in Ashland Maine Bert Pagan's spotted the moose.
There we go.
Bert Pagan's with with his throat still slit open and just kind of walking around minding
its own business.
So of course Bert shot at it.
And after seeing that guns clearly can't kill the thing he got freaked out and ran inside
but not before dropping his rifle in the hurry to get away.
Now according to New England folklore blogspot.com it's it said that from inside his home Bert
watched the moose walk over to his rifle pick it up with his teeth fire it and then just
walked away.
These motherfuckers have been firing at me all these years and I finally get a shot to
take out Bert.
I'm taking it.
He's taking it.
He's just I how did he.
I don't know dude but it's so good.
This is out for revenge.
Spectral as fuck.
Oh god damn it.
Now besides a bunch of other instances where people claim to have seen the moose here and
there there hasn't been too many while they're captivating sightings of the spectral moose
in some time except one where in 2002 the Phantom Moose showed up in Franklin and then
the town's restaurant burned down which now leads people to believe that it's like a harbinger
of doom kind of like the Mothman.
Oh shit.
If he can use a gun he can definitely use matches you know.
Pour a bunch of gasoline.
It goes from going on a shooting spree to committing full on arson.
Arson moose.
Oh this moose is a menace.
We got to fucking we need to get him.
He's a mystical moose of arson.
But I don't buy that.
This is the only story where they someone saw the moose and then bad things happened
except for Burt.
He fucking got shot at by it but that was years years before.
Burt's the one guy that's like nobody everybody else you had to shoot at him.
Yeah.
And he shot at me.
The one time.
Poor Burt.
Out of 20 sightings.
But I don't know.
Who knows.
I don't know.
But yeah that's the but that's the story of the spectral moose of Maine.
Wow.
That's it.
I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.
That's fantastic.
It's a great story.
String of tales sightings.
I mean they are kind of tales.
They're all from the fucking 1800s.
Who the fuck knows if any of this is real.
Right.
I'm going to go on a limb and say nah.
How do we.
Where's the walking through walls thing.
Yeah I don't know.
That was never came up in any of the stories.
They just sprinkle someone just said it one time.
Like yeah that sounds that sounds right.
A lot of gunfire.
But you know let's talk about him walking through walls though.
You know what I mean.
Yeah.
If you could walk through walls it could easily get anyone like it didn't have to wait outside
the cave and if it can walk through walls they probably climb up a tree and get the
guy from the bicycle.
I don't know.
He's good through drywall but rock.
No.
Horse hair plaster and wood right through.
No resistance.
Rock is a little trickier.
Yeah.
It's a whole thing.
These are the laws of the spectral.
You know I don't write them.
None of us do really.
You know they're just they're they're set in stone and that's what the stone comes in.
You know.
Now give me two more laws.
All right.
Bird law.
I'm a lot like spectral law.
They just meant laws in general because I can make up laws baby.
I can make a laws all day.
Well we all can.
All right spectral laws.
Shoot or be shot.
You know shoot or be shot.
Oh my god.
If there is something unknown that is within my sight I will shoot at it.
Gotcha.
But it's more of that's more of a law of man against spectral not so much the law of the
specter.
No by law you have to shoot at the unknown.
Well yeah I'm pretty sure that that still holds up till today.
I think that's just human nature.
Because yeah if it confuses me it's getting got.
Die.
That still holds true.
Yeah no that's pretty good.
Oh shit.
Well Colby that is a story of spectral moose.
I loved it.
Did you?
I need more.
More spectral moose.
I don't have any more spectral moose.
That's all there is.
Well maybe we'll experience the spectral moose for ourselves.
Mews.
We'll just go camping in Maine.
Okay done.
Well Colby that's it.
Before we sign off though is there anything you want to plug?
I know you're in a band Lanterns Last Light.
You got anything coming up?
What are you doing?
Where are you going?
We got a slop fest coming up at the end of the end of shit.
I don't know the date.
You can't just say I got a slop fest.
Well yeah so they always do like a food vendor.
I got a slop fest coming up.
It's real.
Yeah.
We got milk steak.
We got sloppy steaks.
We got.
I don't think they're gonna have that there but they should.
Well the food vendor is doing sloppy joes.
So we're gonna have a show.
We're gonna backtrack real quick.
I need you to tell the people what slop fest is and not just say food trucks with sloppy
joes and reply.
Right.
So Colby you got slop fest coming up.
Why don't you tell the viewers what slop fest is?
So the 5ix9ine Underground is a venue that our buddy Rob throws every year.
Well multiple times and is really up in the ante this year.
He did a bunch of work on the basement and he has many many shows.
We're gonna do a show in I believe it's the end of June.
I hope I'm not wrong about that.
And the food vendor is gonna do sloppy joes.
So we're calling it the slop fest and we're excited to be back.
Who's all playing it?
All right we got.
Oh they bailed out.
We got cannabis crypt, fish face, cytokine, devitalize, stand abandoned, banana clip,
the calling and then they actually are the so the headliners.
I want to say it's edict.
Shit.
Well it sounds like you got it all figured out Colby.
Anything else you want to plug?
It's gonna be great.
The other plug is you know Maddie's a huge fan.
She wanted me to plug her as a big fan.
She's listened to every episode.
So she wanted me to.
She's gonna be bummed out that she wasn't on this one because.
That's all right though.
That's all right you know.
She'll have her time.
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And with that Colby I appreciate you coming on bud.
Of course.
Always happy to.
Well alright bye.
BYE