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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few
drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown.
I'm your host Dave.
And today I'm joined once again by Jamie Hurley.
How's it going, bud?
Hey brother.
Good to talk to you again.
Yeah, you're looking good.
That's nice, but that's a lie.
I appreciate the sentiment.
No, you wear homeless chic well.
Not many people can pull it off.
I'm like a Rick Rubin.
That's holy fuck, dude.
Like, but just with way less money and success.
Dude, it's that is I didn't even put that together.
But if you had a pair of like, just like big old shades on.
Oh yeah.
That is that is young Rick Rubin if I've ever seen one.
And if like if I was balding more and my hair was just going out to this and wearing like
a dirty old stained T-shirt, which I basically am.
I do for a man who was very rich.
Why does he look like he just woke up from a frat party every single time I see him?
Like it is not like he's not.
Because when you're rich, you can do whatever the fuck you want.
You guys know what to do.
So I found out that's the only thing I found about rich people is that so there's people
to those rich people and there's people who want to show that they have money.
People that want to show that they have money but aren't really rich.
They wear like a lot of like big old Gucci bullshit all this time.
Like, you know, but rich people wear the most basic dumb shit you've ever like no name.
Just like it's a polo.
It just looks like a polo and it's nine hundred dollars.
But it's not it's not even that.
Like we were talking about this earlier, like one of my wealthiest friends and probably
the entire state has, you know, wears like shirts like flannel shirts he bought at Costco
and shit like that and still works and like the mud and dirt every day with like.
That's how you that's how you save the money.
Yeah.
You don't get rich by spending your money.
Well, I mean, it depends.
If you spend it by gold, there's always money in gold.
If I learn anything from watching out listening to Alex Jones, there's money.
Invest in frogs and gold.
There's always money in the banana stand.
It's true.
Hide your money.
Hide your money from the government.
That's that's really what it is.
You can buy clothes wherever you want.
Just make sure that you're not writing.
Just don't put it on paper.
That's there.
Exactly.
Just make sure the government knows nothing about it.
Yeah, that's really all it takes.
So, yeah.
So this is Jamie Herley's Financial Hour.
Would you have any more financial advice for our listeners?
Don't let the government know about your money.
Vote locally.
Operate your business as a 501 C3 wherever possible.
Because people just get away with murder doing that.
Also incorporating the Delaware.
Yep.
Delaware is another massive tax haven.
Yeah.
And then you step up to that real big boy status.
You go to Luxembourg.
Luxembourg basically solely sold.
I forgot it was even a country for a long time.
I thought it was just a city.
Yo, so all right.
So Luxembourg, I feel like I just watched a documentary about a dog, the world's wealthiest
dog.
And then it turns out that the dog was basically just like a shell company thing for some lady
who was laundering money or something.
Dude, I don't know.
Cause it was in Luxembourg.
That's the only reason why I remember that.
Anyways, basically the keys are commit tax fraud.
No gods, no masters, no GOP.
Amen brother.
Jamie, let me ask you a question.
How you been sleeping lately, bud?
Horribly.
I've been up since 1 a.m.
I took a quick nap this afternoon for a little bit, but my sleep schedule has just been all
messed up because I haven't been able to work too much with this broken wrist.
But yeah.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but it's all right.
I'll survive.
The reason why I ask is because I don't know if you've ever experienced it, but something
I've experienced a lot dating like ever since like high school.
But have you ever experienced sleep paralysis?
Yes, I have.
As a matter of fact, I've experienced it three times.
Exactly.
So you specifically remember every single time?
I know exactly.
And it's one of them.
I specifically remember every single time.
And it's the most one of the most, well, one of the most, if not the most terrifying things
I've ever experienced in my life.
So can you recall any time specifically like what happened during that?
Or is it always the same every time?
No, it's different every time.
But I can remember it, especially the second time.
It actually traumatized me so much.
I didn't I couldn't even speak to anyone.
Now, hold on before you tell this story, because I want you to tell the story if you don't
mind.
Yeah, I'll tell you.
Yeah, you don't know what we're talking about on this episode, right?
I have no idea.
I literally hit me up an hour ago and was like, hey, do you want to be a guest on the
podcast today?
And I was like, yeah, because if you tell this if you tell this story and if it somehow
coincides with the story I'm going to tell you today, I will fucking lose my shit.
If it does, man, we're on a whole different plane that we don't even know about.
So the second time you got sleep paralysis, he said it traumatized you so much you couldn't
speak to anyone about it.
Are you are you comfortable speaking about it to me on the show?
Yes.
In front of the tens of people that.
No, it was I couldn't like speak to my partner and my roommate were there at the time after
it happened and it took me like about, yeah, three hours or so till I could even just start
talking to them.
Oh, yeah.
Like maybe one word like sentence fragments.
Oh, you mean during the sleep paralysis?
No, no, not just after after.
That's how much it fucked you up is that you were just like so horrified that you couldn't
say anything that.
Yeah, I don't like that.
Continue.
Yeah, it was a re I guess the best way to call it is like a rewaking dream state.
Yeah.
So essentially the dream I was having, I was waking up in what looked like in my room,
exactly like my room in my bed, my exact room, exact apartment.
Yeah.
And I would wake up and then something absolutely horrible and terrifying would happen.
Yeah.
It could like or I started going about my day and in the dream still.
Yeah.
And nothing was wrong.
But then I would snap back to like waking up in my bed again.
OK.
And when it came to the end, I was trying to.
It sounds weird, but I've always had the ability to like usually wake myself up from a dream.
Yeah.
Especially if you're lucid dreaming.
Lucid dreaming.
Yeah.
It's where you're in a dream, but you're aware you're in a dream.
So you kind of have more control of what's going on.
Yeah.
You can kind of snap yourself out of it a little bit.
And I remember not being able to do that.
Yeah.
And that was when I was fully awake.
So the last thing that messed me up so much, like it was a rewaking dream.
I don't know how many times I was waking up in my own bed.
Yeah.
But the last one that freaked me out so much was like there were like a zombie thing is
the closest I can kind of say to it.
Like this man and woman were like banging on my door.
That I had pushed my desk in front of and they finally like broke through the door and
I'm like cowering.
Cowering?
Cowering.
Yeah.
Cowering.
In my living room.
And they both just like finally looked in the door and like slammed their heads like
on the desk.
And then was blocking the door.
And then I finally woke up.
But when I woke up for real, I thought I was still in the reoccurring dream.
Oh.
So I was just absolutely terrified.
Yeah.
That would do it to me too.
And just not knowing what's real and what's not.
Yeah.
And that was that that fucked me up.
That was the most fucked up one.
Yeah.
No, that's I guess so for for listeners who don't know.
But first of all, that sounds fucked up.
I've had sleep paralysis too and I never really experienced anything like terrifying, I guess.
I got to I experienced it a lot actually.
And the thing is weird is that at this point now I know when it's happening because it
is one of those things where your body just kind of you can't move, but you can open your
eyes and you can't talk or scream.
But I got to this point where like now I know when it's happening and I just you just put
yourself back into sleep and then wake yourself back up because you you get an idea.
When it's like what's going on, like because it initially panics that sets in, you're like
fuck this.
Of course.
But but for the people listening, sleep paralysis is a condition that for like hundreds of years
baffled scientists.
And it wasn't until actually like the 20th century when the medical and scientific community
really got a good grasp for what it was.
Basically what it is sleep paralysis is like a glitch in your brain.
So during the REM stage of sleep, your brain paralyzes the body.
So this is like to stop you from falling off the bed, flailing around or acting out parts
of your dreams that could potentially hurt you or like other people around you.
So it's like the opposite of sleepwalking because in sleepwalking, your body doesn't
put you in that state.
That's why you're free to like move around and like some people fucking murder people
when they're like in a sleepwalking.
That's wild.
It's like it's the opposite of that.
It's when you awake, your brain is awake, but your body's not.
Normally the body will switch off this part of the of the brain as you start to like wake
up.
But not in the case sleep paralysis because your brain can be a real asshole sometimes,
which I'm sure a lot of people struggle with mental illness.
Sure can.
No.
Yeah.
But for some that switch isn't flipped right away.
So your body remains paralyzed while you're waking up.
And it is fucking terrifying, as you rightly pointed out.
Now what also can happen is since you're stuck in a sort of limbo state between being fully
asleep and fully awake, the real world in your dream world can intersect, causing you
to see things in the room that you're in that aren't really there.
It's always it always seems to be something horrifying, too.
It's always like a demon or some sort of fucked up being like, yeah, I don't think I've ever
heard anyone like tell a sleep paralysis story where they're like, yeah, dude, fucking I
sleep paralysis last night and my room was full of like golden retriever puppies.
That is never every any single person ever, every single person that I've talked to.
It's always something terrifying.
Yeah, it's never something good to them.
It's not like, oh, it's awesome.
I woke up and I was in like the Playboy Mansion or something like that.
It's like, oh, no, it's never it's never something good.
It's not like, yeah, dude, I fucking woke up, go my ass, but I couldn't move my body.
But you know, there's a bunch of big titted goth bitches around.
Yeah, no, it's never it's never that it's like there's people trying to kill you or
crazy monsters or just whatever your mind can manifest.
Like the third time the last time it happened to me was actually somewhat recently a couple
months ago.
And it wasn't as terrifying, but I was still experiencing it.
I woke up, I fell asleep on the couch the night before and I woke up trying to call
my partner's name and I was like, Ali, Ali, and you couldn't actually do it.
I couldn't do it, but I knew I was awake.
I knew I was experiencing sleep paralysis, but I still can't do anything about it, which
is still just outright terrifying.
Yeah, just like am I am I paralyzed and all that works for my did I fuck up my spine?
I'm as we saw on a couch.
So your spine could have been fucked up.
Let's get a really comfy couch.
I don't know.
I've only sat on like once or twice.
It is comfy.
We actually bought a new couch for the first time in my life.
Are you balling out of control?
You didn't find it on the side of the road that Kyle can name bit, you know, talking
about where he's talking about cops and like a party for a new couch.
No, I know.
Oh, fuck.
But now it was because of this that people and cultures all that's a great segue, by
the way.
Just me just going straight back into the scripts.
No, it was because of this that people and cultures all over the world before we really
understood what was happening, it attributed sleep paralysis to all sorts of entities or
like black magic curses to kind of make sense of what's going on.
You had the gin or genie of Egypt they thought was responsible for the Turkish believe in
a spirit called the Karabasan.
I don't know how to.
I don't.
I should know that, but I don't either.
It's fine.
The indigenous peoples of South Africa had a dwarf like water and entity that they called
Taka.
Oh my God.
I'm so sorry.
Taka Taka Lashi.
That sounds okay.
All right.
I should know that as well.
It's fine.
I'm a man of many cultures, but probably the most famous term I guess or being would be
like the incubus or the succubus.
Yes.
If you're familiar with those, I am familiar with those stories.
Yeah.
So sleep paralysis is obviously around the world.
People just kind of had different experiences.
They also saw different things, but within those cultures, they kind of all saw the same
thing.
Sleep paralysis is also a reason why a lot of people, a lot of people think alien abduction
is, because it always starts the same way.
I'm laying in bed.
I wake up.
I can't move.
My eyes are open and then they see these beings around them.
So there's kind of that mixed in as well.
But if you hadn't noticed all these different cultures, like I said, at different spirits,
demons or monsters with different descriptions and characteristics for what they believed
and what they saw.
But there is one sleep paralysis spirit, demon thing, whatever you want to call it, that
has been seen by people of varying cultures and races all over the world and their description
of it being almost exactly the same in every instance.
And that spirit is known simply as the hat man.
The hat man.
Are you familiar with the hat man?
I am not familiar with the hat man.
And just to go back to the very beginning, like you said, we didn't plan this at all.
Was are we actually going to talk about sleep paralysis?
Yeah.
In this?
Yeah.
That's that's really weird.
All right.
Now that's kind of freaking me out because I don't even know.
I think I've told you I did once in passing like years and years ago.
If you did, I do not remember.
Yeah.
That's that's bizarre.
That's I just love when you got to love when a plan comes together.
I just want to touch on that for a second.
That's really bizarre because you you even said I'm going to be freaked out if you mention
what well.
So this is specifically about a sleep paralysis entity that people have seen that they all
share a it's the same fucking spirit, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
So the hat man, the hat man is a malevolent entity described as being anywhere between
six to ten feet tall.
And I am uncertain if this is including or like sans hat.
It's like it's like one of those deals where it's like it's like I'm five, seven, but I'm
five, nine in heels type deal.
Yeah.
He's like, yeah, we're six.
I'm six foot, but I'm ten foot in hats.
You can never can never.
He's got one down a good top hat.
He's got one of those fucking.
Do you remember your fairly odd parents and Doug Degma Doug Dimmadome of the Dimmsdale
Dimmadome?
No, not really.
Oh, God damn it.
He had like a five foot tall.
But yeah, it's a peacock and it's peacock and it's.
But yeah, described as being anywhere between six to ten feet tall, with most sightings
reporting the latter of him being around eight to ten feet tall, which makes it so they forced
to crouch in unnatural ways.
He's seen wearing a trench coat like jacket or a long cape of some kind.
And of course, a hat.
Now, the hat changes depending on the counter, but it's always a very noticeably brimmed
hat kind of like a gaucho fedora or like a top hat.
And it's always been reported that he was has a golden pocket watch, which he'll check
from time to time, which I don't know why.
But in an article I found on Hunt a Killer dot com, they put it as it suggests that he's
sticking around long enough to be curious about the time, which is fucking terrifying.
And then they also raise the question asking that maybe it could be a prop use for mockery
suggesting to his victims that he has all the time in the world, which is even more
terrifying.
Yeah, that's right.
Does this happen to I know you said it came from everywhere, but are there is there anything
in relation?
This kind of sounds like something some barely familiar with from like southern French stuff
in Louis in Louisiana.
No, in the US.
All over.
It.
OK, there's no specific.
Are you thinking of fucking?
There's a million names for I want to say it's like Papa something or Papa Legba.
They got like the big top hat and.
Yeah, it's Papa.
Papa Legba.
Yeah, but it's not.
It's not Papa Legba.
And we'll get into the reasons why.
Now, people have seen the hat man always describing as being just a silhouette.
But unlike other shadow people, I don't know if you're familiar with shadow people.
I'm assuming you probably kind of vaguely.
Yeah, he's solid.
So it's in that the silhouette of him is very crisp, like motherfuckers and 8K.
But yeah, it's still a shadow 3D instead of just, you know, something on the wall.
So this is just the shadow is much darker.
It's like darker than dark.
Like if you're in a dark room, this is darker somehow.
And it's super fucking evil.
And I hate it.
For those who have seen the hat man, it's mostly reported that he never actually attempts
to attack or cause any physical harm.
There are some reports of him jumping on top of his victims or being choked by him.
But those are very few and very far between what most people believe he wants from you
is something just a little more sinister.
Do you know what that is?
I think so.
Is he trying to?
He wants that booty hole.
That whole choking thing, though, and sitting on the chest, that's common for people that
have suffered sleep paralysis.
Yeah.
So that is a very common thing for sleep paralysis.
There's always a feeling of weight on your chest.
I don't know if that has to do with the actual paralysis part of it.
It might have to do with just not being able to feel it or move it.
You feel like it's really heavy or because you're probably experiencing crazy anxiety.
And I don't know if I'm sure you have, but I'm sure anyone who's listening who has a
panic attack knows that when you have a panic attack, it feels like you're someone standing
on your chest.
Yeah.
It feels like you're going to die when you have a severe panic attack.
This is it.
It's more mental than physical most of the time.
So when the hat man, when the hat man comes to pay a visit, it always starts the same.
The victim wakes up unable to move, unable to scream.
The only thing they can do is open and then move their eyes.
Now once the victim is in this state, they feel as if they're not alone and start over,
start being overcome with anxiety and fear.
And that's when they finally notice him.
So there in the corner of the room, the hat man just stands watching his victim.
They say they feel like evil emanating from him.
Like it comes in waves.
And while he never physically harms you, it's almost as though you can feel his desire to
like he's physically or like psychically putting that thought into your head.
If that makes sense.
Like he wants you to think he's going to hurt you.
Okay.
Does that make, does that make sense?
No, it's a, that does make sense.
I mean, I feel like in any sort of, I've never experienced the hat man.
I've had like weird recurring dreams since even since I was a kid.
But no, that, that, that makes a lot of sense.
I feel like, you know, especially in your most basic instincts are fight or flight.
Yeah.
You know, so if you're in a dream state, I feel like where your body says, get away from
here and you can't do that.
That's absolutely terrifying.
Yeah, you're, it sounds like a, what would you call it?
A nightmare.
Yeah.
But Jamie, you might be asking yourself why?
What's the point of making you so overcome with dread almost to the point where you feel
like your heart is going to explode and why does he never act on the desire you feel from
him that he wants to harm you?
Is that how you're feeling?
I, I, oh man, that's such a deep question.
I could probably rant for like four hours on this.
That's fine.
I got the answer.
I don't know.
What do they say?
I'm putting my trust in Wikipedia or
Whoa.
Do you think I got my information from Wikipedia, bro?
Hell no.
I got this shit from TikTok.
Oh, good.
Okay.
Then we're good.
We're good.
Well, the answer to all your questions that you didn't ask that I asked for you is pretty
simple is that he feeds off of it.
Now, once again, going back to the hunt to kill article, they say that he implements
the quote look, don't touch method because it creates a heady brew of confusion, anticipation
and fear in his subject that he can then feed off of.
This may be the main purpose of the hat man's visit.
The bedrooms of his victims are like his charging station.
If that makes sense.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
So he's like a weird creeper who like, like they always said people in like the sixties
and seventies would climb up trees and look through your windows and like beat off watching
people change.
Yeah.
He's like that, but he, he, he thrives off the fear of you.
Yeah.
Now, unlike your run of the mill boilerplate boring ass shadow person or sleep paralysis
demon that simply like fade away or suddenly vanish once it's time to go, the hat man uses
a different approach.
Once the hat man decides he's done mind fucking you for your fear and figures it's time to
bounce uses the door like a gentleman, but I've never had anyone do that to me and use
the door like a gentleman.
But also it shows a level of not only physicality, but also control that most shadow people don't
normally have same thing with paralysis demons.
So now at this point you're probably wondering where did the hat man come from?
What the fuck is it?
Now this is when you ask me, where did it come from?
Where did the hat man come from Dave?
I don't know why I did that.
I'm like a Beavis to button.
Oh shit.
Uh, well the hat man has become sort of a meme on tick tock and places like 4chan and
gaining popularity in only the past couple of years.
Like I'm sure you've seen the memes or like t-shirts going around that say like, I can't
take Benadryl anymore because I owe the hat man money and I don't want to see him.
I remember, I honestly don't, I haven't really seen anything about the hat man, but I remember
Slender man, but it's probably different thing.
Well, that's maybe similar.
Well, that's also a thing too.
It did kind of gain notoriety the same way.
Slender man was a creepy pasta.
It actually started on a Photoshop Friday on, I think it was something awful.com or something
like that.
Okay.
There have been, I have no idea.
There have been creepy pastas about the hat man that maybe has kind of helped it along,
but it doesn't matter.
But it's actually been going on for quite some time way before tick tock and 4chan and
Reddit got wind of it.
In 2001, Timothy Brown Jr started the hat man project.
And this is seven years after having an encounter himself in 1994 while living with his grandmother
and great grandmother in Nashville, Tennessee.
And since starting the project, he's received thousands of stories from all over the world.
He's even in the process of writing a book on the subject.
So while it's gained popularity on social media only recently, it's something that has
been going on for like a really long time.
Now I don't know how far back the stories that get set in to him go, but I know that
his story at least is from 1994.
So I'm sure there's stories on that that go back further of the hat man.
Oh, it's, it's got to.
And, you know, it could be just hearing about it and reminding yourself about it obviously
puts it into your memory bank and you, your brain is one of the most powerful quote unquote
computers.
Yeah, fair enough.
You know, and then it just accesses that weird part of your brain, you know, I wish we knew
more about like neuroscience and stuff like that.
Well, I did.
I'll tell us at the end of the thing.
Hold on.
I got, I got something kind of along that as for what the hat man is.
It says that the hat man visits households where there's a lot of turmoil or he visits
before, during or after traumatic events, almost like a poltergeist in a sense.
Like you know, poltergeist kind of like a cop.
Yeah, it could be a cop.
The hat man showed up during a tumultuous event between months.
Well, they usually show up four hours after.
Yeah, the, the trauma, especially in Philly.
Yeah, they come and click anytime soon.
So some ufologists think that the hat man, like other shadow people is an alien species
or at the very least interdimensional beings here to observe us.
Now what kind of data they're collected by being a fucking nightmare is beyond me.
But hey, what the fuck do I know?
I don't, it's kind of hard to collect interdimensional data while you're, while you're sleeping after
drinking like a 12 pack of global.
We're not collecting the data.
The interdimensional beings are collecting the data on us.
So somehow that's, that's legit.
It might be somehow useful to terrify us in our wake sleep state.
I don't know.
Others say that it's a demon and evil spirit.
But the real answer is usually the most obvious in that it's just a hallucination caused by
sleep paralysis or waking dreams known clinically as terrifying, hypnog, hypnogagic, hypnogagic,
hypnogagic, terrifying, hypnogagic hallucinations.
I'm not having a stroke.
This is what it is.
All right.
I just wanted to make sure.
Now this is where when a person wakes up and sees images of people trying to cause them
harm demons are warped images of animals along with auditory hallucinations.
But whatever the case, the fact that so many people have seen the same man for so many
years is like the one part of the phenomena that no one can really explain and makes the
whole thing kind of fucking terrifying.
So is it real?
It all undermines a ghost, a demon, I don't know.
But there you have it.
That's a that's a very brief history of the hat man.
The hat man, if it's anything what I experienced during sleep paralysis when you're actually
seeing stuff is the most one of the most terrifying things ever.
Yeah.
And I've and I've had guns pulled on me in public.
So what do you think about the hat man?
I kind of like the hat man right now.
Yeah.
I get vibes from him because everything's going so crazy in my life at this point in
time.
If the hat man shows up, that's the I guess that's a good thing.
Like, I don't know.
I'll be like, what you get?
What you got going for me is the least of your worries.
Like, but come on.
Yeah.
I mean, man, dude, my I've been like sick for six months.
I got to get wrist surgery.
Hat man, what's up?
What you got?
Fucking take me.
What's your and now he's got money.
He's got money.
You know, he does.
He's got a top hat and a gold watch.
Fucking borrow money from him.
Hit him up.
Hook you up.
He's like the monopoly guy.
You just got to get a little bit from him.
You know, then I I realize, you know, if that's the worst of my problems, then shit, I guess
I'm doing okay.
But the hat, the hat man can still scare the shit out of you.
But like, you know, that was a bent to a bunch of therapists and psychiatry.
Yeah.
You look, you look like it.
Oh, duh.
I actually minored in psychology in college.
Oh, is that why you're all fucked up now?
Obviously.
No.
But the more you talk about it and the more you kind of deal with those scary things and
approach it headfirst, like dare your anxiety and fears to try to hurt you.
You basically say, don't do that.
People have actually been scared to death.
Don't do that.
Like physically, physically hurt me.
Bring it on.
Like I know you can't do anything to me.
Like go ahead, do the like do your worst.
So go full Zach Baggins on it when you're trying to fight a ghost on Ghost Adventures.
I wish I had tried to fight a ghost.
Dude.
All right, Jamie.
Well, that is the episode.
Thank you so much for coming on.
I don't know if you have anything going on that you want to plug.
I don't know if you're playing any music lately.
You got anything going on?
So people who don't know about our little tiny town in Dover, New Hampshire, the high
school I went to, St. Thomas Aquinas has just recently, just before the end of the school
year, let go four staff members, teachers that have been working there for 20 to 30
years, all of them just for the sole reason of being openly gay or an ally to the LGBTQ
community.
I'm very happy to say as awful as that is, there's been a lot of people that here that
have been supporting them and backing them.
Other teachers have resigned in protest.
You mean people backing the teachers, not the school.
Yes.
Okay.
Backing the teeth.
The school is a nightmare.
And I had great teachers at the school.
Some of these teachers taught me.
It's very upsetting for me.
Basically the school has become a Christo fascist, crazy nonsense type of school.
And many teachers have resigned in protest.
Students are pulling out and walking out.
The school has been failing, but it's just sad to see that this type of hatred and bigotry
is happening.
It's not in my backyard, but all over the country.
It's just let people be who they want to be.
And there's something if you want to follow this, it's called a hashtag saints shame.
And a lot of people are making active movements about what has happened.
And the more people that know about it, it's probably happening in your own backyard too.
It can only help, you know, just supporting our fellow humans, regardless of what they
identify as.
And we need that more than ever right now.
Let people be, let people live.
And I guess that's all I have to say about that.
How was that?
It was very well.
How'd you like my Forrest Gump impression right there?
No, it was very well.
It was very well said.
So yeah, so if you want to follow along with that story, you can find out about it.
You said there was an article written about it in the Boston Globe.
It is super fucked up, especially doing that like now.
The kids literally graduated today and had the ceremony today.
So there'll be more stuff in the news.
They hired police to come and not let the kids talk to reporters and things like that.
It's a whole mess.
Yeah, it's not ideal.
And it does suck to hear that coming from a place where I grew up.
You know what I mean?
New Hampshire and Dover hasn't always been the most politically correct town or state,
but we always had a good heart.
And I feel like this stuff never really happened.
We were talking earlier, Dover High School.
One of the senior yearbook things was a lesbian couple and the fucking Westboro Baptist Church
came and protested our school and we drove them away.
We always stood up for our own to hear this happening in my own backyard.
Well, not now, I live in Philly.
But you know what I mean?
It breaks my heart and it's really fucked up.
It's good to hear though that there's so many people supporting it.
This private Facebook group gained about a thousand followers within a week, pretty much.
And there's letters going out to the archdiocese and the bishop and the school and the board
and all that stuff.
It's just unacceptable.
I hated high school, but some of these people who educated me, I realized, especially once
I grew older, were the best people and educators.
They shaped you into who you are.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, Jamie, thank you for telling your truth.
I don't know if that's the right word.
Maybe I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, what are words, Dave?
I don't know.
We're coming up with our words.
I don't know.
Almost an hour.
This episode is so fucking long.
Oh yeah.
You're going to have to edit this shit out of this one.
Oh yeah.
I'm going to cut down.
I'm going to cut down this whole thing.
No one's going to know about St. Thomas Aquinas.
No, I'm just kidding.
All right.
Well, Jamie, thank you so much for joining me.
I appreciate it.
You're the best.
I love you.
Love you, brother.
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I think that's it.
So with that, I will say thank you for listening and goodbye.
Jamie, say bye to the people.
Bye.
Thanks for watching.