1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,160 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:16,200 Hey there fellow true crime aficionados, we're the hosts of Bad Acts, a true crime podcast. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,200 I'm Danielle. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,200 And I'm Aaron. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,960 Join us every Thursday for twisted true crime tales of dark deeds and despicable people. 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,920 We focus on lesser known unique stories with a new case each week. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,120 We've covered family annihilators, cannibals, revenge killings, killer kids, mysterious 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,760 murders, survivor stories, and much more. 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,240 We've even tackled stories of people who blamed zombies, vampires, ghosts, and voodoo 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,480 for their Bad Acts. 11 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,080 Of course we know they're the only ones to blame. 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:51,120 You can find us everywhere you get your podcasts or you can visit our website at badactspod.com. 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,840 If you like fresh stories and new perspectives on crime, Bad Acts will be your new jam. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,920 Join Bad Acts every Thursday. 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Stay safe y'all. 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:24,160 See you soon. 17 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Hello everyone. 18 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few 19 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,920 drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 20 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,920 I'm your host Dave. 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,840 And today I'm joined once again by Jamie Hurley. 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,840 How's it going, bud? 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Hey brother. 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,400 Good to talk to you again. 25 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Yeah, you're looking good. 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,080 That's nice, but that's a lie. 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,640 I appreciate the sentiment. 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,520 No, you wear homeless chic well. 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Not many people can pull it off. 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,160 I'm like a Rick Rubin. 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,840 That's holy fuck, dude. 32 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Like, but just with way less money and success. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,000 Dude, it's that is I didn't even put that together. 34 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,560 But if you had a pair of like, just like big old shades on. 35 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Oh yeah. 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,880 That is that is young Rick Rubin if I've ever seen one. 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,600 And if like if I was balding more and my hair was just going out to this and wearing like 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,640 a dirty old stained T-shirt, which I basically am. 39 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:25,880 I do for a man who was very rich. 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,560 Why does he look like he just woke up from a frat party every single time I see him? 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Like it is not like he's not. 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,720 Because when you're rich, you can do whatever the fuck you want. 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,160 You guys know what to do. 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,480 So I found out that's the only thing I found about rich people is that so there's people 45 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,760 to those rich people and there's people who want to show that they have money. 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,280 People that want to show that they have money but aren't really rich. 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,040 They wear like a lot of like big old Gucci bullshit all this time. 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Like, you know, but rich people wear the most basic dumb shit you've ever like no name. 49 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,640 Just like it's a polo. 50 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:05,220 It just looks like a polo and it's nine hundred dollars. 51 00:03:05,220 --> 00:03:08,580 But it's not it's not even that. 52 00:03:08,580 --> 00:03:14,320 Like we were talking about this earlier, like one of my wealthiest friends and probably 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:24,560 the entire state has, you know, wears like shirts like flannel shirts he bought at Costco 54 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,720 and shit like that and still works and like the mud and dirt every day with like. 55 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,000 That's how you that's how you save the money. 56 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Yeah. 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 You don't get rich by spending your money. 58 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,640 Well, I mean, it depends. 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,880 If you spend it by gold, there's always money in gold. 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:47,760 If I learn anything from watching out listening to Alex Jones, there's money. 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Invest in frogs and gold. 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,800 There's always money in the banana stand. 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,800 It's true. 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,800 Hide your money. 65 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Hide your money from the government. 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,040 That's that's really what it is. 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,520 You can buy clothes wherever you want. 68 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,920 Just make sure that you're not writing. 69 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,280 Just don't put it on paper. 70 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,280 That's there. 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Exactly. 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Just make sure the government knows nothing about it. 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,800 Yeah, that's really all it takes. 74 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:12,800 So, yeah. 75 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,920 So this is Jamie Herley's Financial Hour. 76 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Would you have any more financial advice for our listeners? 77 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Don't let the government know about your money. 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,040 Don't let the government know about your money. 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,840 Vote locally. 80 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:31,000 Operate your business as a 501 C3 wherever possible. 81 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,840 Because people just get away with murder doing that. 82 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:37,440 Also incorporating the Delaware. 83 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,440 Yep. 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,640 Delaware is another massive tax haven. 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Yeah. 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,960 And then you step up to that real big boy status. 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,000 You go to Luxembourg. 88 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Luxembourg basically solely sold. 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,360 I forgot it was even a country for a long time. 90 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:53,800 I thought it was just a city. 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,920 Yo, so all right. 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:05:00,440 So Luxembourg, I feel like I just watched a documentary about a dog, the world's wealthiest 93 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,440 dog. 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:08,580 And then it turns out that the dog was basically just like a shell company thing for some lady 95 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:10,560 who was laundering money or something. 96 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Dude, I don't know. 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,560 Cause it was in Luxembourg. 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,200 That's the only reason why I remember that. 99 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,720 Anyways, basically the keys are commit tax fraud. 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,480 No gods, no masters, no GOP. 101 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,480 Amen brother. 102 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Jamie, let me ask you a question. 103 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,160 How you been sleeping lately, bud? 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Horribly. 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,320 I've been up since 1 a.m. 106 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,440 I took a quick nap this afternoon for a little bit, but my sleep schedule has just been all 107 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,640 messed up because I haven't been able to work too much with this broken wrist. 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:44,640 But yeah. 109 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,160 Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but it's all right. 110 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,160 I'll survive. 111 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,920 The reason why I ask is because I don't know if you've ever experienced it, but something 112 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,600 I've experienced a lot dating like ever since like high school. 113 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,640 But have you ever experienced sleep paralysis? 114 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,600 Yes, I have. 115 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,560 As a matter of fact, I've experienced it three times. 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Exactly. 117 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,560 Exactly. 118 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,880 So you specifically remember every single time? 119 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,040 I know exactly. 120 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,040 And it's one of them. 121 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,720 I specifically remember every single time. 122 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,720 And it's the most one of the most, well, one of the most, if not the most terrifying things 123 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 I've ever experienced in my life. 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,720 So can you recall any time specifically like what happened during that? 125 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,600 Or is it always the same every time? 126 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,600 No, it's different every time. 127 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,760 But I can remember it, especially the second time. 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,320 It actually traumatized me so much. 129 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,160 I didn't I couldn't even speak to anyone. 130 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,680 Now, hold on before you tell this story, because I want you to tell the story if you don't 131 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,680 mind. 132 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,680 Yeah, I'll tell you. 133 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Yeah, you don't know what we're talking about on this episode, right? 134 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,040 I have no idea. 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:57,440 I literally hit me up an hour ago and was like, hey, do you want to be a guest on the 136 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,520 podcast today? 137 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:05,000 And I was like, yeah, because if you tell this if you tell this story and if it somehow 138 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,280 coincides with the story I'm going to tell you today, I will fucking lose my shit. 139 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:15,200 If it does, man, we're on a whole different plane that we don't even know about. 140 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,520 So the second time you got sleep paralysis, he said it traumatized you so much you couldn't 141 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,520 speak to anyone about it. 142 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Are you are you comfortable speaking about it to me on the show? 143 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,240 Yes. 144 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,080 In front of the tens of people that. 145 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:33,080 No, it was I couldn't like speak to my partner and my roommate were there at the time after 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:40,720 it happened and it took me like about, yeah, three hours or so till I could even just start 147 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,040 talking to them. 148 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Oh, yeah. 149 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Like maybe one word like sentence fragments. 150 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Oh, you mean during the sleep paralysis? 151 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,400 No, no, not just after after. 152 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,880 That's how much it fucked you up is that you were just like so horrified that you couldn't 153 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,880 say anything that. 154 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,920 Yeah, I don't like that. 155 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,920 Continue. 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Yeah, it was a re I guess the best way to call it is like a rewaking dream state. 157 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Yeah. 158 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:14,320 So essentially the dream I was having, I was waking up in what looked like in my room, 159 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,880 exactly like my room in my bed, my exact room, exact apartment. 160 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,360 Yeah. 161 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:30,680 And I would wake up and then something absolutely horrible and terrifying would happen. 162 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:31,720 Yeah. 163 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:40,680 It could like or I started going about my day and in the dream still. 164 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:41,680 Yeah. 165 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,440 And nothing was wrong. 166 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,440 But then I would snap back to like waking up in my bed again. 167 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,800 OK. 168 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,160 And when it came to the end, I was trying to. 169 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,840 It sounds weird, but I've always had the ability to like usually wake myself up from a dream. 170 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Yeah. 171 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,840 Especially if you're lucid dreaming. 172 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,840 Lucid dreaming. 173 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Yeah. 174 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,160 It's where you're in a dream, but you're aware you're in a dream. 175 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,040 So you kind of have more control of what's going on. 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,040 Yeah. 177 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,600 You can kind of snap yourself out of it a little bit. 178 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,520 And I remember not being able to do that. 179 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Yeah. 180 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,480 And that was when I was fully awake. 181 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,440 So the last thing that messed me up so much, like it was a rewaking dream. 182 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,080 I don't know how many times I was waking up in my own bed. 183 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,080 Yeah. 184 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:34,600 But the last one that freaked me out so much was like there were like a zombie thing is 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,280 the closest I can kind of say to it. 186 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Like this man and woman were like banging on my door. 187 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:51,120 That I had pushed my desk in front of and they finally like broke through the door and 188 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,120 I'm like cowering. 189 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Cowering? 190 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Cowering. 191 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Yeah. 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Cowering. 193 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,840 In my living room. 194 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,360 And they both just like finally looked in the door and like slammed their heads like 195 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,360 on the desk. 196 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,600 And then was blocking the door. 197 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,440 And then I finally woke up. 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,280 But when I woke up for real, I thought I was still in the reoccurring dream. 199 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,280 Oh. 200 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,560 So I was just absolutely terrified. 201 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:21,640 Yeah. 202 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:22,640 That would do it to me too. 203 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,800 And just not knowing what's real and what's not. 204 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:26,800 Yeah. 205 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:32,120 And that was that that fucked me up. 206 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,640 That was the most fucked up one. 207 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Yeah. 208 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,040 No, that's I guess so for for listeners who don't know. 209 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,960 But first of all, that sounds fucked up. 210 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:48,880 I've had sleep paralysis too and I never really experienced anything like terrifying, I guess. 211 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,640 I got to I experienced it a lot actually. 212 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,000 And the thing is weird is that at this point now I know when it's happening because it 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,320 is one of those things where your body just kind of you can't move, but you can open your 214 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,760 eyes and you can't talk or scream. 215 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,400 But I got to this point where like now I know when it's happening and I just you just put 216 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,880 yourself back into sleep and then wake yourself back up because you you get an idea. 217 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,000 When it's like what's going on, like because it initially panics that sets in, you're like 218 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,440 fuck this. 219 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Of course. 220 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,840 But but for the people listening, sleep paralysis is a condition that for like hundreds of years 221 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,400 baffled scientists. 222 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,640 And it wasn't until actually like the 20th century when the medical and scientific community 223 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,080 really got a good grasp for what it was. 224 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,700 Basically what it is sleep paralysis is like a glitch in your brain. 225 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:42,940 So during the REM stage of sleep, your brain paralyzes the body. 226 00:11:42,940 --> 00:11:47,340 So this is like to stop you from falling off the bed, flailing around or acting out parts 227 00:11:47,340 --> 00:11:51,040 of your dreams that could potentially hurt you or like other people around you. 228 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,360 So it's like the opposite of sleepwalking because in sleepwalking, your body doesn't 229 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,840 put you in that state. 230 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,160 That's why you're free to like move around and like some people fucking murder people 231 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,240 when they're like in a sleepwalking. 232 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,240 That's wild. 233 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,760 It's like it's the opposite of that. 234 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,640 It's when you awake, your brain is awake, but your body's not. 235 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:17,480 Normally the body will switch off this part of the of the brain as you start to like wake 236 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,480 up. 237 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,520 But not in the case sleep paralysis because your brain can be a real asshole sometimes, 238 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,760 which I'm sure a lot of people struggle with mental illness. 239 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,760 Sure can. 240 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,760 No. 241 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Yeah. 242 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,640 But for some that switch isn't flipped right away. 243 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,700 So your body remains paralyzed while you're waking up. 244 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:40,000 And it is fucking terrifying, as you rightly pointed out. 245 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,080 Now what also can happen is since you're stuck in a sort of limbo state between being fully 246 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:50,000 asleep and fully awake, the real world in your dream world can intersect, causing you 247 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,760 to see things in the room that you're in that aren't really there. 248 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,120 It's always it always seems to be something horrifying, too. 249 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,400 It's always like a demon or some sort of fucked up being like, yeah, I don't think I've ever 250 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,640 heard anyone like tell a sleep paralysis story where they're like, yeah, dude, fucking I 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,880 sleep paralysis last night and my room was full of like golden retriever puppies. 252 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:19,240 That is never every any single person ever, every single person that I've talked to. 253 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,560 It's always something terrifying. 254 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:23,000 Yeah, it's never something good to them. 255 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,160 It's not like, oh, it's awesome. 256 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,760 I woke up and I was in like the Playboy Mansion or something like that. 257 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:33,480 It's like, oh, no, it's never it's never something good. 258 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,920 It's not like, yeah, dude, I fucking woke up, go my ass, but I couldn't move my body. 259 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,720 But you know, there's a bunch of big titted goth bitches around. 260 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,600 Yeah, no, it's never it's never that it's like there's people trying to kill you or 261 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:53,400 crazy monsters or just whatever your mind can manifest. 262 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,400 Like the third time the last time it happened to me was actually somewhat recently a couple 263 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,800 months ago. 264 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,880 And it wasn't as terrifying, but I was still experiencing it. 265 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:09,480 I woke up, I fell asleep on the couch the night before and I woke up trying to call 266 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,160 my partner's name and I was like, Ali, Ali, and you couldn't actually do it. 267 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,400 I couldn't do it, but I knew I was awake. 268 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,520 I knew I was experiencing sleep paralysis, but I still can't do anything about it, which 269 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,320 is still just outright terrifying. 270 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Yeah, just like am I am I paralyzed and all that works for my did I fuck up my spine? 271 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,280 I'm as we saw on a couch. 272 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,640 So your spine could have been fucked up. 273 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,960 Let's get a really comfy couch. 274 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,960 I don't know. 275 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,960 I've only sat on like once or twice. 276 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:35,960 It is comfy. 277 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,160 We actually bought a new couch for the first time in my life. 278 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,160 Are you balling out of control? 279 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:47,080 You didn't find it on the side of the road that Kyle can name bit, you know, talking 280 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,560 about where he's talking about cops and like a party for a new couch. 281 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,320 No, I know. 282 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Oh, fuck. 283 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:03,800 But now it was because of this that people and cultures all that's a great segue, by 284 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:04,800 the way. 285 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Just me just going straight back into the scripts. 286 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,480 No, it was because of this that people and cultures all over the world before we really 287 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:17,320 understood what was happening, it attributed sleep paralysis to all sorts of entities or 288 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,880 like black magic curses to kind of make sense of what's going on. 289 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,160 You had the gin or genie of Egypt they thought was responsible for the Turkish believe in 290 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,080 a spirit called the Karabasan. 291 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,080 I don't know how to. 292 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,080 I don't. 293 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,880 I should know that, but I don't either. 294 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,320 It's fine. 295 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:40,080 The indigenous peoples of South Africa had a dwarf like water and entity that they called 296 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,080 Taka. 297 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Oh my God. 298 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,080 I'm so sorry. 299 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,080 Taka Taka Lashi. 300 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,080 That sounds okay. 301 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,080 All right. 302 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,080 I should know that as well. 303 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,080 It's fine. 304 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:57,560 I'm a man of many cultures, but probably the most famous term I guess or being would be 305 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,320 like the incubus or the succubus. 306 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,320 Yes. 307 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,640 If you're familiar with those, I am familiar with those stories. 308 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,640 Yeah. 309 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,480 So sleep paralysis is obviously around the world. 310 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,760 People just kind of had different experiences. 311 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,240 They also saw different things, but within those cultures, they kind of all saw the same 312 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,240 thing. 313 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Sleep paralysis is also a reason why a lot of people, a lot of people think alien abduction 314 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,920 is, because it always starts the same way. 315 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:23,920 I'm laying in bed. 316 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,920 I wake up. 317 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,920 I can't move. 318 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,680 My eyes are open and then they see these beings around them. 319 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,000 So there's kind of that mixed in as well. 320 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,080 But if you hadn't noticed all these different cultures, like I said, at different spirits, 321 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,120 demons or monsters with different descriptions and characteristics for what they believed 322 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,640 and what they saw. 323 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:45,880 But there is one sleep paralysis spirit, demon thing, whatever you want to call it, that 324 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,360 has been seen by people of varying cultures and races all over the world and their description 325 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,400 of it being almost exactly the same in every instance. 326 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,040 And that spirit is known simply as the hat man. 327 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,760 The hat man. 328 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,680 Are you familiar with the hat man? 329 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,720 I am not familiar with the hat man. 330 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,160 And just to go back to the very beginning, like you said, we didn't plan this at all. 331 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,560 Was are we actually going to talk about sleep paralysis? 332 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:13,560 Yeah. 333 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:14,560 In this? 334 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,560 Yeah. 335 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,160 That's that's really weird. 336 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,160 All right. 337 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,560 Now that's kind of freaking me out because I don't even know. 338 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:27,280 I think I've told you I did once in passing like years and years ago. 339 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,800 If you did, I do not remember. 340 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Yeah. 341 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,800 That's that's bizarre. 342 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:37,480 That's I just love when you got to love when a plan comes together. 343 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,640 I just want to touch on that for a second. 344 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,120 That's really bizarre because you you even said I'm going to be freaked out if you mention 345 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:46,360 what well. 346 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:51,960 So this is specifically about a sleep paralysis entity that people have seen that they all 347 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,960 share a it's the same fucking spirit, if that makes sense. 348 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Yeah. 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:04,120 So the hat man, the hat man is a malevolent entity described as being anywhere between 350 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,360 six to ten feet tall. 351 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:10,560 And I am uncertain if this is including or like sans hat. 352 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,680 It's like it's like one of those deals where it's like it's like I'm five, seven, but I'm 353 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,960 five, nine in heels type deal. 354 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:17,960 Yeah. 355 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,280 He's like, yeah, we're six. 356 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,480 I'm six foot, but I'm ten foot in hats. 357 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,560 You can never can never. 358 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,200 He's got one down a good top hat. 359 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,200 He's got one of those fucking. 360 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,440 Do you remember your fairly odd parents and Doug Degma Doug Dimmadome of the Dimmsdale 361 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,440 Dimmadome? 362 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440 No, not really. 363 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Oh, God damn it. 364 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,440 He had like a five foot tall. 365 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:43,120 But yeah, it's a peacock and it's peacock and it's. 366 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,520 But yeah, described as being anywhere between six to ten feet tall, with most sightings 367 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,600 reporting the latter of him being around eight to ten feet tall, which makes it so they forced 368 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,520 to crouch in unnatural ways. 369 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,360 He's seen wearing a trench coat like jacket or a long cape of some kind. 370 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,360 And of course, a hat. 371 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,840 Now, the hat changes depending on the counter, but it's always a very noticeably brimmed 372 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,560 hat kind of like a gaucho fedora or like a top hat. 373 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,000 And it's always been reported that he was has a golden pocket watch, which he'll check 374 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,280 from time to time, which I don't know why. 375 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:26,120 But in an article I found on Hunt a Killer dot com, they put it as it suggests that he's 376 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:30,640 sticking around long enough to be curious about the time, which is fucking terrifying. 377 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,480 And then they also raise the question asking that maybe it could be a prop use for mockery 378 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,040 suggesting to his victims that he has all the time in the world, which is even more 379 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,040 terrifying. 380 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Yeah, that's right. 381 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:50,000 Does this happen to I know you said it came from everywhere, but are there is there anything 382 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 in relation? 383 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:59,640 This kind of sounds like something some barely familiar with from like southern French stuff 384 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,040 in Louis in Louisiana. 385 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,440 No, in the US. 386 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,440 All over. 387 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,440 It. 388 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,400 OK, there's no specific. 389 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Are you thinking of fucking? 390 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,280 There's a million names for I want to say it's like Papa something or Papa Legba. 391 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,040 They got like the big top hat and. 392 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Yeah, it's Papa. 393 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:22,720 Papa Legba. 394 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,720 Yeah, but it's not. 395 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,720 It's not Papa Legba. 396 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,960 And we'll get into the reasons why. 397 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,520 Now, people have seen the hat man always describing as being just a silhouette. 398 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,720 But unlike other shadow people, I don't know if you're familiar with shadow people. 399 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,200 I'm assuming you probably kind of vaguely. 400 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Yeah, he's solid. 401 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,240 So it's in that the silhouette of him is very crisp, like motherfuckers and 8K. 402 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:53,680 But yeah, it's still a shadow 3D instead of just, you know, something on the wall. 403 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,360 So this is just the shadow is much darker. 404 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:58,600 It's like darker than dark. 405 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Like if you're in a dark room, this is darker somehow. 406 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,880 And it's super fucking evil. 407 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,760 And I hate it. 408 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,440 For those who have seen the hat man, it's mostly reported that he never actually attempts 409 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,220 to attack or cause any physical harm. 410 00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:16,200 There are some reports of him jumping on top of his victims or being choked by him. 411 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,420 But those are very few and very far between what most people believe he wants from you 412 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:24,280 is something just a little more sinister. 413 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,440 Do you know what that is? 414 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,560 I think so. 415 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Is he trying to? 416 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:36,120 He wants that booty hole. 417 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,640 That whole choking thing, though, and sitting on the chest, that's common for people that 418 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,040 have suffered sleep paralysis. 419 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,040 Yeah. 420 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,040 So that is a very common thing for sleep paralysis. 421 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,360 There's always a feeling of weight on your chest. 422 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,480 I don't know if that has to do with the actual paralysis part of it. 423 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,000 It might have to do with just not being able to feel it or move it. 424 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,320 You feel like it's really heavy or because you're probably experiencing crazy anxiety. 425 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,280 And I don't know if I'm sure you have, but I'm sure anyone who's listening who has a 426 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,640 panic attack knows that when you have a panic attack, it feels like you're someone standing 427 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,640 on your chest. 428 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,640 Yeah. 429 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,920 It feels like you're going to die when you have a severe panic attack. 430 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,920 This is it. 431 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080 It's more mental than physical most of the time. 432 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,320 So when the hat man, when the hat man comes to pay a visit, it always starts the same. 433 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,440 The victim wakes up unable to move, unable to scream. 434 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,440 The only thing they can do is open and then move their eyes. 435 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,320 Now once the victim is in this state, they feel as if they're not alone and start over, 436 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,480 start being overcome with anxiety and fear. 437 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,160 And that's when they finally notice him. 438 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:45,920 So there in the corner of the room, the hat man just stands watching his victim. 439 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,440 They say they feel like evil emanating from him. 440 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Like it comes in waves. 441 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,800 And while he never physically harms you, it's almost as though you can feel his desire to 442 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,480 like he's physically or like psychically putting that thought into your head. 443 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,480 If that makes sense. 444 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,880 Like he wants you to think he's going to hurt you. 445 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,880 Okay. 446 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,760 Does that make, does that make sense? 447 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,960 No, it's a, that does make sense. 448 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:15,600 I mean, I feel like in any sort of, I've never experienced the hat man. 449 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,040 I've had like weird recurring dreams since even since I was a kid. 450 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,880 But no, that, that, that makes a lot of sense. 451 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:32,560 I feel like, you know, especially in your most basic instincts are fight or flight. 452 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,120 Yeah. 453 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:40,480 You know, so if you're in a dream state, I feel like where your body says, get away from 454 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,640 here and you can't do that. 455 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,240 That's absolutely terrifying. 456 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Yeah, you're, it sounds like a, what would you call it? 457 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,040 A nightmare. 458 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,040 Yeah. 459 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,040 Yeah. 460 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,040 But Jamie, you might be asking yourself why? 461 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,280 What's the point of making you so overcome with dread almost to the point where you feel 462 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:04,280 like your heart is going to explode and why does he never act on the desire you feel from 463 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,840 him that he wants to harm you? 464 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,840 Is that how you're feeling? 465 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,040 I, I, oh man, that's such a deep question. 466 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,680 I could probably rant for like four hours on this. 467 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,680 That's fine. 468 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,680 I got the answer. 469 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,880 I don't know. 470 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,880 What do they say? 471 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,920 What do they say? 472 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,480 I'm putting my trust in Wikipedia or 473 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,480 Whoa. 474 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,480 Do you think I got my information from Wikipedia, bro? 475 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,480 Hell no. 476 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,480 I got this shit from TikTok. 477 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,480 Oh, good. 478 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,480 Okay. 479 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,480 Then we're good. 480 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,160 We're good. 481 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Well, the answer to all your questions that you didn't ask that I asked for you is pretty 482 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,880 simple is that he feeds off of it. 483 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,200 Now, once again, going back to the hunt to kill article, they say that he implements 484 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,480 the quote look, don't touch method because it creates a heady brew of confusion, anticipation 485 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,040 and fear in his subject that he can then feed off of. 486 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,440 This may be the main purpose of the hat man's visit. 487 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,740 The bedrooms of his victims are like his charging station. 488 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:14,740 If that makes sense. 489 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:15,740 Oh wow. 490 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:16,740 Yeah. 491 00:25:16,740 --> 00:25:20,960 So he's like a weird creeper who like, like they always said people in like the sixties 492 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,240 and seventies would climb up trees and look through your windows and like beat off watching 493 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,240 people change. 494 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,240 Yeah. 495 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,480 He's like that, but he, he, he thrives off the fear of you. 496 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,480 Yeah. 497 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:39,440 Now, unlike your run of the mill boilerplate boring ass shadow person or sleep paralysis 498 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:45,240 demon that simply like fade away or suddenly vanish once it's time to go, the hat man uses 499 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,760 a different approach. 500 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,000 Once the hat man decides he's done mind fucking you for your fear and figures it's time to 501 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:58,360 bounce uses the door like a gentleman, but I've never had anyone do that to me and use 502 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,160 the door like a gentleman. 503 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,680 But also it shows a level of not only physicality, but also control that most shadow people don't 504 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,240 normally have same thing with paralysis demons. 505 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:15,360 So now at this point you're probably wondering where did the hat man come from? 506 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,400 What the fuck is it? 507 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,960 Now this is when you ask me, where did it come from? 508 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,120 Where did the hat man come from Dave? 509 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,040 I don't know why I did that. 510 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,960 I'm like a Beavis to button. 511 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Oh shit. 512 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,000 Uh, well the hat man has become sort of a meme on tick tock and places like 4chan and 513 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 gaining popularity in only the past couple of years. 514 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,920 Like I'm sure you've seen the memes or like t-shirts going around that say like, I can't 515 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,320 take Benadryl anymore because I owe the hat man money and I don't want to see him. 516 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:54,160 I remember, I honestly don't, I haven't really seen anything about the hat man, but I remember 517 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,840 Slender man, but it's probably different thing. 518 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,840 Well, that's maybe similar. 519 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,040 Well, that's also a thing too. 520 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080 It did kind of gain notoriety the same way. 521 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,400 Slender man was a creepy pasta. 522 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:11,440 It actually started on a Photoshop Friday on, I think it was something awful.com or something 523 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,440 like that. 524 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Okay. 525 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,240 There have been, I have no idea. 526 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,960 There have been creepy pastas about the hat man that maybe has kind of helped it along, 527 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,120 but it doesn't matter. 528 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:32,240 But it's actually been going on for quite some time way before tick tock and 4chan and 529 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Reddit got wind of it. 530 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,880 In 2001, Timothy Brown Jr started the hat man project. 531 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,600 And this is seven years after having an encounter himself in 1994 while living with his grandmother 532 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,140 and great grandmother in Nashville, Tennessee. 533 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:53,520 And since starting the project, he's received thousands of stories from all over the world. 534 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,780 He's even in the process of writing a book on the subject. 535 00:27:56,780 --> 00:28:00,240 So while it's gained popularity on social media only recently, it's something that has 536 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,560 been going on for like a really long time. 537 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,220 Now I don't know how far back the stories that get set in to him go, but I know that 538 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:10,840 his story at least is from 1994. 539 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,280 So I'm sure there's stories on that that go back further of the hat man. 540 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800 Oh, it's, it's got to. 541 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:25,480 And, you know, it could be just hearing about it and reminding yourself about it obviously 542 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:33,240 puts it into your memory bank and you, your brain is one of the most powerful quote unquote 543 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,240 computers. 544 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,640 Yeah, fair enough. 545 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:42,360 You know, and then it just accesses that weird part of your brain, you know, I wish we knew 546 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 more about like neuroscience and stuff like that. 547 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,800 Well, I did. 548 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240 I'll tell us at the end of the thing. 549 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Hold on. 550 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,760 I got, I got something kind of along that as for what the hat man is. 551 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,980 It says that the hat man visits households where there's a lot of turmoil or he visits 552 00:28:59,980 --> 00:29:04,840 before, during or after traumatic events, almost like a poltergeist in a sense. 553 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,520 Like you know, poltergeist kind of like a cop. 554 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,680 Yeah, it could be a cop. 555 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,640 The hat man showed up during a tumultuous event between months. 556 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,280 Well, they usually show up four hours after. 557 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:24,960 Yeah, the, the trauma, especially in Philly. 558 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,280 Yeah, they come and click anytime soon. 559 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,880 So some ufologists think that the hat man, like other shadow people is an alien species 560 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,280 or at the very least interdimensional beings here to observe us. 561 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Now what kind of data they're collected by being a fucking nightmare is beyond me. 562 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,520 But hey, what the fuck do I know? 563 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:54,280 I don't, it's kind of hard to collect interdimensional data while you're, while you're sleeping after 564 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,800 drinking like a 12 pack of global. 565 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,800 We're not collecting the data. 566 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,040 The interdimensional beings are collecting the data on us. 567 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,920 So somehow that's, that's legit. 568 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,640 It might be somehow useful to terrify us in our wake sleep state. 569 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,240 I don't know. 570 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Others say that it's a demon and evil spirit. 571 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,120 But the real answer is usually the most obvious in that it's just a hallucination caused by 572 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:30,600 sleep paralysis or waking dreams known clinically as terrifying, hypnog, hypnogagic, hypnogagic, 573 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,240 hypnogagic, terrifying, hypnogagic hallucinations. 574 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,240 I'm not having a stroke. 575 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,240 This is what it is. 576 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,240 All right. 577 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,240 I just wanted to make sure. 578 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Now this is where when a person wakes up and sees images of people trying to cause them 579 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,960 harm demons are warped images of animals along with auditory hallucinations. 580 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,720 But whatever the case, the fact that so many people have seen the same man for so many 581 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,900 years is like the one part of the phenomena that no one can really explain and makes the 582 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,740 whole thing kind of fucking terrifying. 583 00:31:03,740 --> 00:31:04,740 So is it real? 584 00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:07,720 It all undermines a ghost, a demon, I don't know. 585 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,320 But there you have it. 586 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,000 That's a that's a very brief history of the hat man. 587 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,880 The hat man, if it's anything what I experienced during sleep paralysis when you're actually 588 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:26,000 seeing stuff is the most one of the most terrifying things ever. 589 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,000 Yeah. 590 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,200 And I've and I've had guns pulled on me in public. 591 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,880 So what do you think about the hat man? 592 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,320 I kind of like the hat man right now. 593 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,320 Yeah. 594 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,120 I get vibes from him because everything's going so crazy in my life at this point in 595 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120 time. 596 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,680 If the hat man shows up, that's the I guess that's a good thing. 597 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Like, I don't know. 598 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440 I'll be like, what you get? 599 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,840 What you got going for me is the least of your worries. 600 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240 Like, but come on. 601 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,240 Yeah. 602 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,360 I mean, man, dude, my I've been like sick for six months. 603 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,480 I got to get wrist surgery. 604 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,480 Hat man, what's up? 605 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,480 What you got? 606 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,480 Fucking take me. 607 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,520 What's your and now he's got money. 608 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,520 He's got money. 609 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,520 You know, he does. 610 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,880 He's got a top hat and a gold watch. 611 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,160 Fucking borrow money from him. 612 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Hit him up. 613 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,160 Hook you up. 614 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,160 He's like the monopoly guy. 615 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,200 You just got to get a little bit from him. 616 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:32,000 You know, then I I realize, you know, if that's the worst of my problems, then shit, I guess 617 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,920 I'm doing okay. 618 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,240 But the hat, the hat man can still scare the shit out of you. 619 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,600 But like, you know, that was a bent to a bunch of therapists and psychiatry. 620 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,600 Yeah. 621 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,600 You look, you look like it. 622 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Oh, duh. 623 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,440 I actually minored in psychology in college. 624 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040 Oh, is that why you're all fucked up now? 625 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,040 Obviously. 626 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,040 No. 627 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:05,240 But the more you talk about it and the more you kind of deal with those scary things and 628 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:12,360 approach it headfirst, like dare your anxiety and fears to try to hurt you. 629 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,120 You basically say, don't do that. 630 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,840 People have actually been scared to death. 631 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:16,840 Don't do that. 632 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480 Like physically, physically hurt me. 633 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,480 Bring it on. 634 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,600 Like I know you can't do anything to me. 635 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,000 Like go ahead, do the like do your worst. 636 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:34,160 So go full Zach Baggins on it when you're trying to fight a ghost on Ghost Adventures. 637 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680 I wish I had tried to fight a ghost. 638 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,680 Dude. 639 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,120 All right, Jamie. 640 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,480 Well, that is the episode. 641 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,480 Thank you so much for coming on. 642 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,320 I don't know if you have anything going on that you want to plug. 643 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,880 I don't know if you're playing any music lately. 644 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,440 You got anything going on? 645 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,360 So people who don't know about our little tiny town in Dover, New Hampshire, the high 646 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,960 school I went to, St. Thomas Aquinas has just recently, just before the end of the school 647 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:10,240 year, let go four staff members, teachers that have been working there for 20 to 30 648 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:20,040 years, all of them just for the sole reason of being openly gay or an ally to the LGBTQ 649 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,200 community. 650 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,520 I'm very happy to say as awful as that is, there's been a lot of people that here that 651 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,880 have been supporting them and backing them. 652 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,240 Other teachers have resigned in protest. 653 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,000 You mean people backing the teachers, not the school. 654 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Yes. 655 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Okay. 656 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Backing the teeth. 657 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 The school is a nightmare. 658 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,240 And I had great teachers at the school. 659 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,480 Some of these teachers taught me. 660 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,200 It's very upsetting for me. 661 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:54,120 Basically the school has become a Christo fascist, crazy nonsense type of school. 662 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,480 And many teachers have resigned in protest. 663 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,280 Students are pulling out and walking out. 664 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,440 The school has been failing, but it's just sad to see that this type of hatred and bigotry 665 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,320 is happening. 666 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,960 It's not in my backyard, but all over the country. 667 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,440 It's just let people be who they want to be. 668 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:23,980 And there's something if you want to follow this, it's called a hashtag saints shame. 669 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:29,600 And a lot of people are making active movements about what has happened. 670 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:36,240 And the more people that know about it, it's probably happening in your own backyard too. 671 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:44,560 It can only help, you know, just supporting our fellow humans, regardless of what they 672 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,720 identify as. 673 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,960 And we need that more than ever right now. 674 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,280 Let people be, let people live. 675 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,960 And I guess that's all I have to say about that. 676 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,160 How was that? 677 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,160 It was very well. 678 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,040 How'd you like my Forrest Gump impression right there? 679 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,040 No, it was very well. 680 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,560 It was very well said. 681 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,760 So yeah, so if you want to follow along with that story, you can find out about it. 682 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,960 You said there was an article written about it in the Boston Globe. 683 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,360 It is super fucked up, especially doing that like now. 684 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,960 The kids literally graduated today and had the ceremony today. 685 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560 So there'll be more stuff in the news. 686 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,520 They hired police to come and not let the kids talk to reporters and things like that. 687 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,240 It's a whole mess. 688 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,400 Yeah, it's not ideal. 689 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:45,920 And it does suck to hear that coming from a place where I grew up. 690 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,520 You know what I mean? 691 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,520 New Hampshire and Dover hasn't always been the most politically correct town or state, 692 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,320 but we always had a good heart. 693 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,640 And I feel like this stuff never really happened. 694 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,400 We were talking earlier, Dover High School. 695 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:09,360 One of the senior yearbook things was a lesbian couple and the fucking Westboro Baptist Church 696 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,280 came and protested our school and we drove them away. 697 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,320 We always stood up for our own to hear this happening in my own backyard. 698 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,760 Well, not now, I live in Philly. 699 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,760 But you know what I mean? 700 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,500 It breaks my heart and it's really fucked up. 701 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:29,080 It's good to hear though that there's so many people supporting it. 702 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:35,760 This private Facebook group gained about a thousand followers within a week, pretty much. 703 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:46,140 And there's letters going out to the archdiocese and the bishop and the school and the board 704 00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:48,560 and all that stuff. 705 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,920 It's just unacceptable. 706 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:56,880 I hated high school, but some of these people who educated me, I realized, especially once 707 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,120 I grew older, were the best people and educators. 708 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,480 They shaped you into who you are. 709 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,480 Yeah. 710 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,480 All right. 711 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,520 Well, Jamie, thank you for telling your truth. 712 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,360 I don't know if that's the right word. 713 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,360 Maybe I don't know. 714 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,360 I don't know. 715 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,360 Well, what are words, Dave? 716 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,360 I don't know. 717 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,360 We're coming up with our words. 718 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,360 I don't know. 719 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,360 Almost an hour. 720 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,360 This episode is so fucking long. 721 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,360 Oh yeah. 722 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,360 You're going to have to edit this shit out of this one. 723 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,360 Oh yeah. 724 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:24,360 I'm going to cut down. 725 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,360 I'm going to cut down this whole thing. 726 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,360 No one's going to know about St. Thomas Aquinas. 727 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,360 No, I'm just kidding. 728 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,360 All right. 729 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,360 Well, Jamie, thank you so much for joining me. 730 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,360 I appreciate it. 731 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,360 You're the best. 732 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,360 I love you. 733 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,880 Love you, brother. 734 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,280 Make sure you follow us on Instagram at Crypto Cocktail. 735 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,440 Follow me on TikTok at Crypto Cocktail Party. 736 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,700 If you want to support the show, there is a link in the episode description. 737 00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:52,240 You can donate whatever you want to the show. 738 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,800 I think that's it. 739 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,040 So with that, I will say thank you for listening and goodbye. 740 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,840 Jamie, say bye to the people. 741 00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,840 Bye. 742 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:25,080 Thanks for watching.