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drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm your host Dave. I

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forgot I do that every single fucking time. Dude, I don't know how I do it.

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I don't like it should be ingrained into your brain. It's been almost like 20

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episodes now and I do it every single time. But anyways, the voice you are

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hearing is the wonderful mustachioed voice of Nicholas Einzman who has been a

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guest on here several times. I'm probably gonna be a more frequent voice on this

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podcast so sorry or you're welcome. I mean it's a little self self-indulgent

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but I like the sound of our voices together. I was told that we have good

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chemistry by a guy at work but he says that about every guest I have so I don't

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know how genuine it is but he's also like one of the most genuine dudes in the

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world so I think he genuinely means it. He's a solid dude. I'm here for it. I know I have a few

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of random people that have like seen me post cryptic cocktail stories of our

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you know my story on Instagram. Like you and this guy Dave. Like you just rag on

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each other. Yeah it's our friendship. That's how every friendship

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that I have is. It's just roasting each other. You're Dover Dave. You're like the Dover demon

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but less cryptid-y. Although I have a question for you. I haven't becoming more

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elusive though. You have been more elusive. I'll read texts because I work weird hours. I don't get out of work until

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7 so someone texts me like anytime between the hours of 1030 and 7 I'll

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either respond or I'll read it and then I'll forget that I even saw it until I

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go to text them the next time. So what I'm gonna start doing is I'm gonna just

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build like a almost like a Batman light. Okay. Wait a Batman light not the bat

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signal. Yeah it's like a batman light. A bat signal but it's like a Dave Prescott light and it's a beard and a Miller light.

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I'm gonna project it right on your ass. So those are the two things that I mean

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yeah I can lure you. I know that I'm like your Dave. I have a 30 of Miller at my house.

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Come on over for fire and Miller. See the thing is it wouldn't have to be just

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Miller. It could literally be any beer. This is true. My question to you. I haven't

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known you for a while right. I'd say you're one of my best friends. A bit yeah.

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Yeah. Why do you have arguably the worst DC movie action figure in your. You have

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a Suicide Squad enchantress. Oh my rock candy. Yeah. So it's terrible. One year at

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GameStop they had a like a Black Friday sale and one of the things was like a

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mystery box and one of them and they had like a GameStop exclusive clap trap

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Funko pop and there was you get like other like the new R1 a gold like a

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shiny gold one or something like one of them so I bought the mystery box to try

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and get one of those clap traps. I got a clap trap but then it also came with this

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rock candy Suicide Squad enchantress GameStop exclusive also and I just never

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got rid of it. You know I'll check eBay once in a while see how it's doing it

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fluctuates in price but that's why. We're here today. Talk about some some

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spookies some kookies. Whoa. I don't know what I don't know what we're talking

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about but what you're trying to take over my hosting duties. No I'm trying to

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like move along. Yeah we have been. Let's dive right in. Why don't we just

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what do we just dive right in. Why don't we just it's push right along. Let's dive right in.

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Nicholas we've been living in Philadelphia now for what like five six

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years almost. I think going on six. It's been a while but I realize I didn't know much about the

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history of Philadelphia. I know that Ben Franklin's big here. H.H. Holmes the

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prison he died in is now an acme in South Philly. No that's hilarious.

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Literally says if you go outside all sudden T-necks come down there is a plaque

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and it says prison that imprisoned H.H. Holmes. It's like a pride point of East

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Pass Young. All right. We got we got Ben Franklin we got Big Bell. Monopoly.

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Big Bell. Monopoly. We got Rocky Steps. Yeah. What else. Cheese steaks. Cheese steaks.

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John. Wonder years. Philadelphia is not that great. It's kind of the worst. I love it

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but it's kind of the worst. Well how versed are you in your World War II

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secret technology military conspiracy theories involving the Philadelphia

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Naval Shipyard. I have a very strong feeling I know what we're going to be talking about

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and not as versed as I would like to be. Okay so today we're going to be talking

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about one of my favorite conspiracy theories ever because A. it is batshit

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and insane and B. it's a hundred percent not real. There's like for a fact

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everything else everything I'm going to be talking about today is like in the

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biggest of quotation marks that you could ever picture in your entire life.

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Yeah. It is not real. It's it's fun. It's fun. It's one of my favorite things ever.

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community for some reason not even conspiracy circles. Just UFO. The UFO

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community is still like one of the biggest things ever. Fucking boggles my

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mind and I love it. It is almost because I now have a very strong feeling. I know

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I'm like 99% sure I know what you're talking about. It's the David Cronenberg

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of conspiracies. Just because of what happens to the people involved. Yeah. Oh

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should I have even said what it is? Yeah have I? No. Oh shit. We're not with the Philadelphia

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experiment. It is the David Cronenberg of conspiracy theories. It really is the David Cronenberg of conspiracy theories as well.

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before you were going to be a guest. Yeah I didn't look anything up. It's still

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one of those like I own books about it and I can't. Well here's the thing is

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that like whatever little you know. There's so much more. No is that. There's

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no more. I heard a rumor that Barack Obama was somehow like this is. No that's

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the Montauk project. That's different. No I thought it was. No. Oh yeah yeah yeah

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yeah it's too many projects experiments. Manhattan project Montauk Philadelphia.

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Yeah the Manhattan thing was real though. Unfortunately so. A lot of people. A lot of people got hurt with that one.

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Alright let's dive right in Nicholas. Are you ready for this? No but I guess we're

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gonna go. Alright so the Philadelphia experiment is one of the more wilder WW2

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conspiracies involving the military, secret technology, and the great city of

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Philadelphia where we currently reside. The Philadelphia experiment also known

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as project rainbow was a top secret project under the auspices of none other

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than Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, and John von Neumann that utilized Einstein's

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unified film field theory. What do you have to say? You were about to say

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something. So my question is is this is like why Tesla and Einstein hated each

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other? Does this like add fuel to the fire? I fucking don't know. Probably. I didn't know

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Einstein and Tesla hate each other. Oh it was like. No I'm sorry it was Tesla and

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another fucker. The guy who invented electricity. Yeah the guy that

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electrocuted the the elephant. Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin yeah. No Thomas Edison.

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No it was Benjamin Franklin you're right. No it was definitely not. We'll go with it yeah.

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But yeah so it was it was a project under the guise of Einstein, Tesla, Neumann that utilized

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Einstein's unified field theory which I tried to learn about to kind of give

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like you guys listening a better understanding of it but within like 10

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minutes my brain kind of just shut off and I ended up just watching YouTube

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videos about the heaviest breakdowns so far of 2023. I'm all ears. Oh I have

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nothing on that. It sounded like oh yeah watch a bunch of YouTube videos to explain it.

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No. Oh no I meant like the heaviest breakdowns. Oh like death core. Death core.

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Yeah it's a pretty good one so far. That'd be a really good death

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core band name. Philadelphia Experiment. I'm sure it's probably a grind band. Or a

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thrash band. Or a thrash band. But anyway so the whole point of the project was to

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turn US naval ships invisible to enemy radar while also reversing the magnetic

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field around the boats to counter magnetic sea mines and torpedoes. But as

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we will learn even the brightest minds with the best intentions don't always

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get it right. I had to do like a little radio thing there. Now this is 1943 just

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two years after the US entered World War II and I couldn't find any evidence of

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the project being in development either before our involvement in the war or if

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they only spent like two years trying to perfect this technology. Which I mean it

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does seem kind of sketchy that they would only spend two years on trying to

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perfect invisibility quote unquote and then be like ah good enough. Yeah you know

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what we got this one in the bag boys let's make it work. Yeah so I'm gonna

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yada yada a bit here and get to like the good stuff because there's some stuff

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that's all dumb. So once they decided it was time to test the tech technology.

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Time to test the technology. It's alliteration at its finest. It was sad it was I didn't I

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wrote it and I didn't read it out loud before I decided to go with it until

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just now and it was bad. But they decided to test the technology with some pigs

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on a boat. Now once the pigs were in position they fired up their generators

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and flipped the switch the ship itself that they tested these pigs on

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disappears and reappeared. Good job everybody we did it. Invisibility folks.

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We did it. It's just the Hulk meme from Endgame. Invisibility. Yeah but when they

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went to check on the pigs they noticed that some of the pigs had burn marks on

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them others were violently ill and then some of them just straight up vanished

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from existence. Now do you think that once they saw what happened to the pigs

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they would go back to the drawing board and attempt to tweak it so you know this

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type of stuff didn't happen. Was it 1943 1942? Yeah. No they just fucking wing it.

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they thought was wrong and they attempted another test on a small

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skeleton crew of humans and it seemed to go fine. Some sailors reported some

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slight nausea but nothing major like you know completely disappearing into the

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void of the universe like with the pigs. Now once they decided they had a good

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good of grasp on what they were doing it was time to do a full-scale test with

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real Navy ships full crew of real human beings. Yeah because fuck it we ball. Yeah

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we ball. We ball. Fuck it we ride you know what I mean? Yeah so uh on a philimentality

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honestly. It really is. That is the most Philadelphia thing I think I've heard in

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quite some time. It kind of worked let's just fucking send it. Like you know what

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guys like this one we botched it a little bit but I think we can make this

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one roll. Oh yeah if that's not the Philly motto I don't know what is but uh

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yeah so on October 28th my birthday 1943 the USS Eldridge which sounds a lot like

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eldritch which I mean is kind of good foreshadowing for what. Very much so. But the

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USS Eldridge was docked at the Philadelphia Navy shipyard where it was

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fitted with the latest and experimental radar and visibility technology

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including large generators, big old Tesla coil things, some magnet shit, all

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the things that would be responsible for shifting the magnetic field there on the

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boat and again I'm not like a scientist so I have no idea how this works. No yeah.

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their stations and gave the all-clear to start the experiment. Now witnesses on

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nearby ships mind you this is a top secret project and they're and they're

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just doing this right out in the open. Yeah right in the Navy yard. We drive by it all the time.

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Yeah with everyone watching. So the witnesses described a loud hum emanating

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from the ship's generators followed by the hull of the ship being surrounded by

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a blue-green glow and then in an instant the ship simply disappeared only to

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reappear just as quickly as it had vanished but not before being seen

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materializing out of thin air nearly 200 miles away in Norfolk Virginia at the

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Norfolk Navy shipyard. Right. So fucking weird. Like I wonder was did they choose

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Norfolk Virginia to be like where it was gonna go or you just kind of roll the

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dice. I don't think they were trying to teleport it. I think they were just

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trying to make it invisible and they accidentally stumbled upon teleportation.

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like Nazi Germany or the middle of a fucking city just like on the moon.

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Anywhere. Yeah but I mean success right. I mean they did one and a half

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thumbs way up. It technically became invisible but yeah it even teleported so

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that's kind of cool. They just accidentally invented teleportation. So my

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thing is there right is like all right you got a crazy outcome why not explore

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teleportation as well after this. I think it's because this didn't happen.

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You sure about that? You sure about that? But anyways I don't know. You would think

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that that would be bigger than invisibility. Yeah. Like the ability to

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especially at that time so yeah so useful even now so useful. At any point

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in time I feel like teleportation is useful. But yeah during wartime I feel

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like even more so yeah. Yeah now imagine being able to teleport and stay

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invisible. Game changer. You're the most deadly man on the planet. You're the most deadly man within ten

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feet. Deadliest man within ten feet. Absolutely. But yeah I mean it did

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become invisible. It teleported. So yes and no on the success. Well they did

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successfully make the ship invisible. There were some unforeseen consequences.

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I think they were pretty visible. Now according to quote-unquote classified

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military documents and again all those words are in the biggest and most

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aggressive air quotes I could make. Yeah very bold. The crew members

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suffered a range of injuries. Some minor like nausea, disorientation all the way

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to like third degree burns and mysterious illnesses. Some completely

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losing their minds and diving deep into insanity. As one would. But even the most

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serious of those injuries doesn't even compare to the worst of it.

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Just like the pigs some crew members just vanished never to be seen again. But

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the most fucked up part about the whole thing is that some crew members were

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said to be completely fused to the ship. Some still alive in an extreme amount of

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agony and torture. I assume this was like the side effect of the crew and ship not

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dematerializing and then rematerializing at the same time falling through walls

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and floors and being trapped. It reminds me of that scene in Jumanji with Robin

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Williams. Yeah yeah yeah. Quicksand. I was gonna say that or the Cloverfield

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Paradox. I didn't watch that one. Oh it's so good. Because I know that that movie

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wasn't written as a Cloverfield movie and they had to rewrite it and then

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they'd release it as a Cloverfield one. It's still pretty good. I don't know Cloverfield is one of my favorite movies. Same. I don't trust it. But

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anyways some were even said to have rematerialized completely inside out.

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That's fucked up. I don't like that one at all. They're basically being brought back as nothing more than like a

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pile of flesh and bone. Just goo. Just goop. Just goop. Yeah it's a nightmare. Now some of the healthy

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sailors who managed to not be liquefied it said that some years later they

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experienced some side effects like you know completely disappearing then

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reappearing or never returning once they disappear. Others would freeze in place

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for hours and some develop schizophrenia. Just you know just side effects. Imagine

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being like one of the kids of the guys who just like completely disappeared. Oh

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so. My dad actually went to get cigarettes but like he literally

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disappeared while buying cigarettes. One of the stories was a man who was on this boat was eating

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dinner with his family. He got up, walked through a wall and then was never seen again.

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I think that was intentional. That was like this man had the ability to do this

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the entire time right like knew that he could do it. Just didn't say anything. Yeah and he was tired of his wife.

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It's not at this point it's like probably 1948, 1950. The age of the nuclear family and

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he had like two twins. They were getting underneath his skin. His wife was like

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asking for a new like Chevrolet Corvair. And he's like you know what? You think his wife was asking for that?

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It's 1950. She's probably asking for like a fridge that was electric. I mean that too. And this guy's like you know what?

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I'm out and he walked back to North Oak, Virginia and never to be seen again. We

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know now know him as Ron DeSantis's father. Oh yeah that is how that happened.

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But I mean that's pretty fucked up right? I would agree. Pretty wild if it's true right?

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Crazy of True like the song I just had to look up the reference that I was looking for.

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Crazy of True by our friends, cool parents. Yes well while the story is pretty rad. It's pretty sweet.

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Pretty rad and definitely should be made into a better movie than the one that was made in 1984.

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Wait there was a movie? Yeah 1984. Oh man we gotta watch that later. No we don't. Is it that bad? Yeah it's bad.

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On a scale of the one to Super Mario Brothers with John Lumguammo. Huh? The guy that played the clown in...

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John Lumguammo? There we go. And he's not the clown he's the violator. He's still a clown.

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How bad is Philadelphia Experiment? It's not good. I'd watch it. We'll watch it. I love bad movies.

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Imagine like the Langoliers but like worse. Oh no. Worse. Really? Yeah it's not good.

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My question right so and I've thought about this multiple times every time I hear about this.

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Conspiracy swish swish air quotes. So the guys that were fused into metal right?

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Like imagine you're hanging out your buddy and you were like smoking cigarettes out of nowhere your ship gets.

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You don't think this is gonna work. It's like teleportation that's crazy right?

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Well they didn't think to see that the initial goal is to make it invisible to radar. Okay so yeah.

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Not to make the whole boat fucking invisible and teleport. Imagine being that guy.

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Like one of those seas guys. Whichever guy you want to be right?

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Like invisibility that's crazy that's stuff for sci-fi. You're smoking a cigarette and out of nowhere you just like.

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All you can see is the smoke. Nothing else for 30 seconds.

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A. How fucking terrifying that is. B. You wake back up and like you see through the porthole there's trees and shit.

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You're nowhere near where you are and 15 seconds later you're back in Philly.

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But by the way your best friend Steve he's now metal man.

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Well you know I think that's what drove them to insanity.

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Well my question there is the people that were fused with metal. Yeah. Right.

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They just sawzall them out. Like make a little chunk put them on wheelers and kind of.

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So I don't know so fun fact about the Eldridge is that it's no longer in commission and it was actually scrapped and sold for like parts and recycling.

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So if this is. Are we drinking out of recycled men's bodies? See that's the thing if this was real that means that like.

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They would cut it apart they would find like half an eyeball or like.

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Well are they dematerializing and like their bodies are being spread out throughout the ship.

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Are they like their bodies just in one solitary place. No like imagine like just you're like stuck to the side of the ship.

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Like again like Robin Williams and Jumanji like one half of you is above. Oh so it's half and half.

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So you're getting split up into portions. Yeah you're all fucked. Oh that's fucked.

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See if you're like just a body you know everything's intact and you're so like you can cut around that.

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No this is like their fused to the ship. Like true lovecrafty and horrid. Yeah it's a nightmare.

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The one guy's head that's just like on the front of the boat. I ain't got nobody. He's just somehow alive.

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He's like the fucking mass head of like old pirate ship but just like fused to it. Yeah.

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Chest hair blown in the wind baby.

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Like I said while the story is pretty good. It's a pretty good story. There isn't really any real evidence that it happened.

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According to the story there are plenty of witnesses to the Philadelphia experiment.

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I mean they did it in full view of the workers and the other ships cruise at the Philadelphia Navy Yard in broad daylight.

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So you would think that there would be at least a dozen or so stories about this whistleblowers coming from left and right.

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Why would they be? It's invisible. They all. What do you mean? The ship. Think about it. The timeline of this.

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They watched it turn blink out of existence and then come back. It didn't turn invisible and stay invisible.

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That's what I'm saying. It blinked in and out. It wasn't like instantaneously. It's 1943.

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People don't even know what instantaneously means. OK. Well that's what I'm saying is like I imagine the cover up on that was so easy.

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If it truly happened. We're going to get to this. Thank you. OK. So this whole conspiracy comes from one man named Carl Meredith Allen.

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Now in 1956 Morris K. Jessup author of the book The Case of the UFO.

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And it was also a pretty well respected astronomer for a bit. I say a bit because he ended up leading a lot into the UFO thing.

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Yes. He's pretty well known. Yeah. And then he ended up losing all credibility and then killing himself.

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He was also one of the first to combine UFOs in the cons and the construction of ancient monuments, making him the first ancient alien theorist.

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Like years before Eric von Daniken, whatever, wrote the book Cherries of the Gods.

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Well, it was well Jessup started getting letters like dozens from Allen, who was using the pseudonym in Carlos Allende,

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trying to trying to convince Jessup to stop whatever he was working on and investigate the conspiracy surrounding the U.S.

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as Eldridge, claiming he was a witness to the whole thing while working as a deckhand aboard a ship named the SS Andrew Furas Furas.

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Now, Jessup responded to Allen and in trying to get in to provide any further evidence, he didn't really have anything to back up his claims.

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Now, around the same time that Jessup was receiving his letters, the U.S. Office of Naval Research received a package with the words written on it.

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Happy Easter. This is the first Easter egg.

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Sure. Now, inside the box was a heavily annotated copy of Jessup's book.

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It appeared at first to be annotated by three different people, each using a different shade of blue pen and referring to each other as gypsies.

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The gypsies noted in the book that they had knowledge of aliens on Earth, things related to UFOs,

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and suggested that Jessup's research on unified field theory was too close to some actual alien technology and contained many allusions to the Philadelphia experiment.

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Now, in 1957, the O&R, the Office of Naval Research, had Jessup come look at the book and the annotations,

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and he confirmed that the handwriting was indeed Allen's because he had been receiving letters for a while at this point.

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And then in 1969, Allen actually admitted not only to sending the package, but also the one behind the writing in the book.

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He said he did this to, quote, scare the hell out of Jessup, end quote, to get him to stop working on the unified field theory because Allen thought it was dangerous.

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He eventually retracted this admission because, of course, he did.

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Yeah. So you might be asking yourself, well, who is Carl Allen? What's his M.O.? Who is this guy?

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Well, that's a question a lot of people had for a long time.

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And that is until 1980, when journalist Robert Gorman wrote about the man after he realized he had a family connection with Allen and ended up interviewing his family,

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who described him as a, quote, creative and imaginative loner, end quote, and that Allen had a history of mental illness and speculated that being the reason for his behavior.

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So pretty much it painted Allen as a smart, creative man, but just in the throes of mental break, of delusion and concocted the whole story.

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Yeah, but none of that mattered. The story became a staple in the UFO and conspiracy theory circles and only grew in popularity thanks to Jessup not really helping to quell any of the rumors.

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And it got so big, so much so that in 1996, the O.N.R. had to release an official statement saying, quote, O.N.R. has never conducted any investigation on the invisibility,

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either in 1943 or any other time the O.N.R. was established in 1946.

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In view of present scientific knowledge, O.N.R. scientists do not believe that such an experiment could be possible, except in the realm of science fiction.

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So there you have it, the story of the Philadelphia Experiment, a hoax created by a man going through a mental health crisis that gathered so much steam that to this day it's still being cited as a real event and cover up.

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Or conspiracy theory. I got my own ready for this.

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Oh, I'm ready for it.

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It is real and Allen went crazy due to the amount of gaslighting the dude received from the government and everyone around him.

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Or maybe he was like on the ship.

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He wasn't. He said he wasn't.

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Maybe he doesn't remember.

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Why wouldn't you remember? I feel like you'd remember.

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Why would you why would you claim to be a witness from a distance?

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I don't know if they go crazy.

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You could like his mind could have gotten jumbled.

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I mean, I guess I mean, yeah, but no, but yeah.

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But yeah, but like my my thing, it's always been my like biggest.

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Not quarrel with this conspiracy theorist theory, hoax, if you will.

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So much stuff from like World War Two has come out, especially over the past like 20 years.

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I don't know. This is giving me big like the Nazi bell vibes.

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Yeah, but look how much we like, quote unquote, know about that.

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We don't know anything about it.

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Yeah, we know like where it was apparently kept.

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They have like the like the structure that's super radioactive.

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We have the fucking that weird structure in the middle of fucking Philly by the golf course thing that looks like it could hold the bell.

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Yeah, but we know what like people put that was like built by someone.

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This one just showed up. It was like full of radioactive shit.

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It didn't show up. You know what I mean? Like we found it.

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Yeah, but no, no. I don't buy into it, Nicholas.

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Well, I don't buy into the fact that a ship went invisible because it didn't.

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It might have. It did not go invisible.

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But who's to say? I don't know.

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I like that shirt. Thank you.

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So what do you think of the Philadelphia experiment? You know where I stand and I think that, you know, especially that that point of war to there is such a race to get, you know, the next step of warfare.

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Right. I mean, look at, you know, the atomic race, the jet race, you know, the race to the moon.

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Like we were all everyone was trying to one up each other.

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Do I think that, you know, it was proposed?

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Absolutely.

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Do you think we actually were able to get in 1943?

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No, not in this last bit. I think now we were able to get something closer.

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I'm sure if like someone was like, oh, we can do this through like mirroring or whatever, like it might be.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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I mean, we have stealth now.

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We have.

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Yeah, we have that.

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Like we literally have the stealth bombers that don't come up on radar.

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So I think that, you know, we have been working on this tech for years.

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Yeah, man.

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I don't think we put a bunch of fucking Tesla coils and magnets on a boat and it fucking teleported to Virginia.

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No, I don't think it teleported.

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Maybe like, you know, maybe got a little, you know, a blur to it.

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It just blurred for a second and everyone came back and they had a super bad headache.

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It just looked like every single Bigfoot photo.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But yeah, no, that's the story.

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I mean, it's it's a cool story.

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It's a great story.

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And there's a lot of good movie.

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If they could do it right again.

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Don't watch the movie.

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I know you're going to watch it later.

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It's a bad movie.

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My thing was, you know, especially with all the World War Two conspiracy, especially World War Two tech conspiracy theories.

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Right.

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There's so much stuff, you know.

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It's great to just like ponder like the Nazis, quote unquote, had UFOs and working on UFO techs like the V2 rockets and all that stuff, which is terrifying to think about because it would have gotten to the completely wrong hands.

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Yeah.

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But it's cool that like it's cool to think about.

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Yeah.

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But I don't buy any of it.

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I buy the rockets because obviously we took a lot of their scientists and brought them over and, you know, we made our rockets and we had a field day.

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Yeah.

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Werner von Braun or whatever his name was over here trying to make everyone forget that he was a Nazi.

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Oh, I got to sue the moon.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Thanks, bud.

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Thanks, Von Braun.

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You also did a bunch of horrible fucked up shit.

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Yeah, it's cool concept.

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I don't know if you've ever seen it.

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It's a cool concept.

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I don't know if I buy it.

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I definitely think that they were working on some form of radar, but.

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Yeah, I mean, I get that they I mean, I get that they're trying to reverse the magnetism of a boat so that sea mines like that.

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But I don't.

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It also like doesn't make sense location wise for like I'm going to go on a fucking tangent here.

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Don't go too long because I have to pee.

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No, no, no.

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Like Rendlesham Forest is where radar was created.

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Right.

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Sure.

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So like, yeah.

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Rendlesham Forest is fairly like 90 percent positive.

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It's aware because that's where the why the Rendlesham Forest incident happened because there was all this like high tech stuff there.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So why take out of Philadelphia and of all the places, right, we're going to go to a place that has no background in radar on the Schuylkill River or the technically the Delaware River.

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Yeah.

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And we're going to try and do radar here.

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None of the none of that tech is here.

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They will know they just put it on the boat here.

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They didn't develop it here.

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Doesn't work.

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Don't work.

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Go with go with the birthplaces.

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OK.

412
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Well, that makes sense because Rendlesham Forest is in Britain.

413
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:42,780
Why would they why would the Americans.

414
00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:44,060
There's an American base there.

415
00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:44,220
Yeah.

416
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:47,340
But Rendlesham Forest wasn't an American base.

417
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:47,580
No.

418
00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:51,020
On the one side, you had the British base and the other side, you had the American base.

419
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:52,380
There's a lot of crossover there.

420
00:33:52,380 --> 00:33:52,620
I know.

421
00:33:52,620 --> 00:33:53,500
I have the book.

422
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:54,220
And it's a good book.

423
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:54,700
I haven't read it.

424
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,300
Nick Pope.

425
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:57,260
I fucking hate Nick Pope.

426
00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:58,860
I love Nick Pope.

427
00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:59,420
I just hate him.

428
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:00,780
Nick Pope for president 2025.

429
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:01,420
Fucking Pope.

430
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:02,220
All right.

431
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:03,500
Thanks so much for listening, everyone.

432
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,500
Thank you for Nicholas for being here for this.

433
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:07,180
Let's see.

434
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:11,260
Please follow us on Instagram at Cryptic Cocktail.

435
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:15,820
And then follow me on TikTok at Cryptic Cocktail Party.

436
00:34:15,820 --> 00:34:17,900
If you want to support the show, there's a link in the episode description.

437
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:22,940
And also, you know, let us know what you think of this.

438
00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:26,220
I you know, I know some people believe in it wholeheartedly.

439
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:30,220
Dave is very like visibly upset by this conspiracy.

440
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:30,620
I'm not.

441
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:31,980
I just had to pee so bad.

442
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:33,740
It's got steam coming out of his ears.

443
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:34,540
It's it's been.

444
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:35,820
Hold my pee hole shut so I don't piss my pants.

445
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:37,340
Don't hold your dick in front of me.

446
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:37,740
I'm sorry.

447
00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:38,220
I gotta pee.

448
00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:38,460
All right.

449
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:39,260
Thanks so much for listening.

450
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:40,300
Nick, do you got anything you want to plug?

451
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:40,540
Nope.

452
00:34:40,540 --> 00:34:41,020
Go pee, Dave.

453
00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:56,460
Goodbye.

