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Welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 19 00:02:30,260 --> 00:02:35,260 I'm your host Dave and I am joined once again by my good friend, John Bunting. How you doing buddy? 20 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:40,260 Hello world. Dave, how are you? Terrific on this Sunday afternoon. 21 00:02:40,260 --> 00:02:45,260 Yeah, I'm doing great. Just found out that tomorrow morning my commute to work is going to be a fucking nightmare. 22 00:02:45,260 --> 00:02:50,260 Yeah, probably for the next, I don't know, year, depending on how fast PennDOT is. 23 00:02:50,260 --> 00:02:57,260 It's going to be, so for those of you who don't know, we live in and near the greater Philadelphia metropolitan area and 24 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:05,260 a part of our I-95 corridor just collapsed, like five exits from my house. 25 00:03:05,260 --> 00:03:11,260 So yeah, you were the first person to tell me because you texted me when I was just waking up and I was like, what the fuck? 26 00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:14,260 And then I go on the news to see flames. 27 00:03:14,260 --> 00:03:20,260 I didn't realize what time it was when I texted you and then after I texted you, it was like, oh, it's like 8 a.m. 28 00:03:20,260 --> 00:03:23,260 Oh, it's okay. I don't even know if this man's going to be awake. 29 00:03:23,260 --> 00:03:28,260 I woke up like a half hour before that. Oh, well that's good. I'm glad I didn't disturb you. 30 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:35,260 But yeah, Jonathan, you're looking good, sounding good. You're sounding like you're talking through a gaming headset, which is what I love. 31 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:38,260 Yep, that's exactly what it is. That's all I have. 32 00:03:38,260 --> 00:03:42,260 Now, Jonathan, when you were on last, we talked about the Loveland Frog Band. 33 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:49,260 We did. And I know you're not really a big of a cryptids guy, but are you like, what are you doing over there? 34 00:03:49,260 --> 00:03:54,260 You're getting my I am trying to there. My floor is wet. 35 00:03:54,260 --> 00:03:58,260 Why is your floor wet? I don't know. 36 00:03:58,260 --> 00:04:01,260 All right. You want to take a minute? No, we're good. 37 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:08,260 All right. But yeah, no, you you're not like a big like cryptids guy, but are you an aliens guy? 38 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:17,260 More and more I'm getting into aliens just because of that guy that is saying that he has all the secrets and he's a whistleblower. 39 00:04:17,260 --> 00:04:24,260 So now I'm very interested. So you so you became more interested when like the disclosure started happening. 40 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:32,260 I need something real. I mean, because everybody who talks about it is like that dude from the History Channel. 41 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:36,260 Aliens. Oh, George O.A. Succulas, the best fucking man in the world. 42 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:41,260 Well, I need somebody more legitimate than that guy because it's not really working. 43 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:48,260 I love him. I saw him talk at UNH years ago and it's just as you expected it would be. 44 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:57,260 Then we are. So fun fact about me, I'm the kind of person that when I go to bed, I have to have like light and noise, if that makes sense. 45 00:04:57,260 --> 00:05:00,260 Like I always have something or something like that. 46 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:11,260 So normally when we go to bed, we would watch Naruto because there's a billion episodes of it and my wife just wants to get through it and half of its filler episodes. 47 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:14,260 So we'll throw it on when it's filler episodes and just fall asleep through all of them. 48 00:05:14,260 --> 00:05:17,260 But now that she started a new job, she has to wake up earlier. 49 00:05:17,260 --> 00:05:20,260 So she's not like watching it till she falls asleep. 50 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:26,260 So I started watching ancient aliens and now I'm caught up all like 18 seasons of it. 51 00:05:26,260 --> 00:05:30,260 And dude, I love that show. I don't subscribe to any of it. 52 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:40,260 I think it's all bullshit. It's basically just like whitewashing history and being like, sure, it's pretty shitty because humans back then had the same brains we do now. 53 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:42,260 They just didn't have the information that we have now. 54 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:44,260 So to say they couldn't do it is kind of bullshit. 55 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:45,260 But God damn it, if Georgia A. 56 00:05:45,260 --> 00:05:54,260 Suclus isn't a saint amongst men and I love him so much, I would give my left nut to be able to sit down and talk with them. 57 00:05:54,260 --> 00:05:59,260 Now, what were you going to say? You had a face. 58 00:05:59,260 --> 00:06:01,260 Nothing. Nothing. 59 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:08,260 I mean, yes, probably talking to the guy would be amazing because he doesn't he doesn't just do ancient aliens, though. 60 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:13,260 He also has another show where he like goes around and does like other mysteries. 61 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:16,260 I mean, yeah, it always does lead back to aliens. 62 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:24,260 But for the most part, he's not like he does like he's trying to find like Atlantis and like Lumiere, which is basically Atlantis. 63 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:26,260 And then I've never heard of that. 64 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:30,260 Yeah, I guess I guess I'm not up on my lower. 65 00:06:30,260 --> 00:06:38,260 I think it's it's like Atlantis, but I think like it's something to do with like Nazis like they like it was like the air like the Aryan race started in the it's a whole thing. 66 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:46,260 Anyways, John, we're not talking about that. So you're an alien. Let's get into this. This here's ready for a really good segue. 67 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:51,260 I'm ready. How much do you know about Zimbabwe? 68 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:58,260 I know that aren't they the country that has a trillion dollar bill? Yes, they are. Yes. 69 00:06:58,260 --> 00:07:03,260 That's as much as I know. Do you want to know some million trillion dollars to get a banana? 70 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:07,260 Do you do you want to know some more fun facts about Zimbabwe? 71 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:12,260 I do. OK, well, Zimbabwe is a landlocked country located in the southern part of Africa. 72 00:07:12,260 --> 00:07:16,260 It's not it's not South Africa. For some reason in my head, I thought Zimbabwe is part of South Africa. 73 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:30,260 It's just in the southern part of Africa. OK, has 16 official languages, making it the country with the most official languages in the world, with English being the main language used for like education in the judicial system. 74 00:07:30,260 --> 00:07:38,260 It's home to five UNESCO World Heritage Sites, one of them being Victoria Falls, the world's largest waterfall. 75 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:46,260 It has multiple currencies, so they don't just have one trillion dollar bill. They have many currencies. 76 00:07:46,260 --> 00:07:52,260 And it's all worthless. And it's illegal to be gay there. 77 00:07:52,260 --> 00:08:09,260 The the ex president Mugabe, I think I'm pronouncing that right. He blamed the LGBTQ community for all of Zimbabwe's problems, stating that homosexuality is an un-African and immoral culture brought by European colonists and is only practiced by just a few whites. 78 00:08:09,260 --> 00:08:15,260 There's also a bunch of human rights violations under his reign and he ended up residing after a coup in 2017. 79 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:20,260 And then his vice president took over. But as far as I can tell, he's no better than him. 80 00:08:20,260 --> 00:08:23,260 Where it sounds like we're halfway there in this country. Yeah. 81 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:29,260 But yeah, I didn't invite you on to talk about foreign politics and their horrible. 82 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:36,260 We talk. Are we talking about gay aliens? No, I like to think that aliens are kind of like Paul from the movie Paul. 83 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:44,260 You know, they're just kind of like, yes, sex is sex, love is love. It doesn't matter who it is. Yeah, that's true. 84 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:51,260 That's what I want to think. There might be a memory of that old show, Pat. Remember, it's Pat. 85 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:55,260 Oh, that was it wasn't like an SNL skit. Yeah. And then they made it a show. 86 00:08:55,260 --> 00:09:03,260 They didn't make it. Didn't they make a movie at SNL for a while was making they were trying to make after Wayne's World blew up, they were trying to make everything into a movie or a show. 87 00:09:03,260 --> 00:09:14,260 And not a lot of them landed. But no, I want to talk to you about a private elementary school in a small survey. 88 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:20,260 God damn it. A small suburb of Zimbabwe's capital. 89 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:25,260 Harare. I don't. I should look up how to pronounce it. 90 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:39,260 Probably it's called it. It just sounds so terrible right now. Yep. This country that I can't name in these towns that I can't name. Yeah, I sound like one of the European colonists called Roa. 91 00:09:39,260 --> 00:09:46,260 Now Roa isn't exactly a town, at least at the time of the incident occurred. It's about 14 miles south of the capital. 92 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:52,260 And according to Wikipedia, the people described it as a little more than a crossroads in an agricultural region. 93 00:09:52,260 --> 00:10:00,260 So nice. So it's the it's the it's where you want to be towards the destination. 94 00:10:00,260 --> 00:10:06,260 It's full of nightlife. I bet if they had a website, it would say it was full of nightlife and culture. 95 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:14,260 Yeah, the nightlife being taking a spotlight and spotting for lions or I don't know. 96 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:31,260 Now, this region is no stranger to UFO sightings or lights in the sky leading up to the sighting at the aerial school. There have been a ton of alleged UFO sightings and some would even say that it caused Zimbabwe and a lot of South Southern Africa to be in what they call like UFO mania like a craze. 97 00:10:31,260 --> 00:10:48,260 Two days prior, there had been reports of a fireball streaking through the sky with many people who saw it calling into a local radio station describing what they saw, which probably didn't like ease people's minds like quelled our fear of like alien evasions. 98 00:10:48,260 --> 00:10:53,260 There are some other things like a trucker reported aliens on the side of the road. 99 00:10:53,260 --> 00:11:02,260 But none of the but none of this is important, John. I wrote all this to pad the runtime because that story is not very long. 100 00:11:02,260 --> 00:11:04,260 So let's just get into it. 101 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:12,260 All right. Now I want you to close your eyes and listeners as well. I want you to get into this the mindset of where we are. 102 00:11:12,260 --> 00:11:23,260 The date, Friday, September 16 1994. I'll make love to you by boys to men is top of the charts and Forrest Gump is number one at the box office baby. 103 00:11:23,260 --> 00:11:27,260 Oh, man, times are good. At least in the United States. 104 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:42,260 But 8000 miles away at around 10am in Roa, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe at the aerial school, which is a very expensive private school where most of the attendees are from wealthy white families, more than likely benefiting from apartheid laws. 105 00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:45,260 Yay colonialism. 106 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:57,260 I was on a normal day learning about math, science, probably not learning about apartheid and all the fucked up shit that was going on in the area when it was time for the students to have their morning recess. 107 00:11:57,260 --> 00:11:59,260 Do you remember recess? 108 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:00,260 Oh, it's the best time. 109 00:12:00,260 --> 00:12:02,260 Jungle gyms. 110 00:12:02,260 --> 00:12:03,260 Love it. 111 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:08,260 Jungle gyms, pogs, fucking slammer. 112 00:12:08,260 --> 00:12:17,260 I used to, I used for like Christmas and my birthday, I'd always ask for a sleeve of tennis balls. Oh, hell yeah. Just to play wall ball. Just like hit a kid in the ass. 113 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:27,260 There was always that one wall at your school that was the designated wall ball wall and if anyone tried to sit there or do anything during recess or lunch break, fuck out of here, dude. 114 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:33,260 You're gonna get hit with a tennis ball or multiple. Yeah, and that's on you. That's not on us. Yeah, you know the rules. 115 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:38,260 You know, the art designated wall was the one on the side of the auditorium. 116 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:44,260 Yeah, I think right next right next to the jungle gym. Ours was the back wall of the gym. 117 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:52,260 Okay, I think I'm glad that, you know, we grew up States apart and you know the shared. 118 00:12:52,260 --> 00:13:00,260 Sometimes throwing a tennis ball against a brick wall is, you know, that's universal. It really is. 119 00:13:00,260 --> 00:13:03,260 As the kids were filing outside for recess. 120 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:18,260 I think the school had just over like 200 students, I don't know if all of them were outside for recess or just like a few grades but either way, the teachers and faculty stayed behind to have a morning meeting, and we're just going to leave the kids outside unsupervised. 121 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:28,260 That's cool. For like a minute. They were going to join him when they were done, but now a group of children were playing by one of the school buildings, when something in the distance caught their attention. 122 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:34,260 Some of the kids reported seeing a bright glimmering silver disc with four smaller ones trailing behind it. 123 00:13:34,260 --> 00:13:46,260 I don't know how true the four smaller ones thing is I read it in a couple different things but I also tried to watch a couple documentaries about this, and they were so mind numbingly fucking boring that I gave up half way through. 124 00:13:46,260 --> 00:13:52,260 Yeah, obviously who the fuck is there's not like a feature film documentary about this. 125 00:13:52,260 --> 00:13:59,260 You never know. Yeah, they've made documentaries about worse. 126 00:13:59,260 --> 00:14:14,260 But it was they saw silver disc with four smaller ones trailing behind Atlanta hillside just outside the schoolyard. So a group of children ran down to get a closer look at what the fuck they just saw when they saw the craft sitting in the field, and they saw figures come out of the 127 00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:31,260 craft. They described them as being about three feet tall with tight black suits on long black hair and eyes that were lower down on their cheeks and quote the size of rugby balls with a mouth being only a slit and no noticeable ears or nose. 128 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:34,260 I'm pretty sure they just saw Glenn dancing. 129 00:14:34,260 --> 00:14:37,260 But 130 00:14:37,260 --> 00:14:49,260 now obviously this freak some of the kids out. Understandably, some students believe the creatures to be, and I'm going to butcher another African word I'm so sorry. 131 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:55,260 They believe the creatures to be Zwick wombo, which are. 132 00:14:55,260 --> 00:15:06,260 Oh, that's I know what that is, which are spirits of humans come back through magic or talk a low she, which are evil goblins of folklore. 133 00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:16,260 Well, other kids weren't so cynical and weren't scared at all. They're actually kind of stoked. I mean, who wouldn't be fucking stoked to see aliens and alien crafts in the 90s. 134 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:21,260 Yeah, just hanging out. That's like the best time to see them for some reason in my head. I don't know. 135 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:32,260 Yeah, yeah, because I don't know. They probably this day and age. 136 00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:40,260 I had a joke, but I lost it. Had Independence Day been out at this point yet? Independence Day I think came out in 96. 137 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:44,260 Damn, I want to say 96. Well, it's a shame. 138 00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:51,260 All in all, 62 children witnessed the encounter, but some of them got more than just the sighting, which we will cover later. 139 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:55,260 Now, mind you, this also took place within a span of like 15 minutes. 140 00:15:55,260 --> 00:16:06,260 Once the encounter happened, all those who witnessed it ran back in to tell their teachers and school officials why it happened. And of course, they were like, no, yeah, I'm sure you all just met aliens in a matter of minutes. 141 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:12,260 Half that time being when you left the school and then came back in. So they completely wrote them off. 142 00:16:12,260 --> 00:16:19,260 And so the kids just continued their day like normal, like they didn't just see aliens land in the back of their school. 143 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:30,260 But when they went home, they obviously told their parents who contacted the school to find out what's happening. I mean, they're spending all their ill-gotten diamond money for their tuition. 144 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:37,260 I don't know if this is true. I'm just I'm shitting on these people, but I'm just going to assume that all of them benefited from apartheid and they're all shitheads. 145 00:16:37,260 --> 00:16:57,260 Well, word got out about this and soon others wanted to find out as well, obviously. So a few days short days later, UFO expert Cynthia Hind made her way down to the school as she was already investigating the UFO sightings in the light in the sky from just a few days prior and started interviewing the kids and asked them to sketch what they saw. 146 00:16:57,260 --> 00:17:16,260 All of them drew nearly identical crafts and creatures, which is where we got the initial descriptions of the aliens. She found the children to be very credible and believe that since they lived in such a rural area, they wouldn't have access to many media depictions of UFOs or aliens like movies or comic books or TV shows. 147 00:17:16,260 --> 00:17:21,260 You look like you're going to say something, but I'm going to wait. Hold, hold the thoughts. 148 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:25,260 Don't twiddle your thumbs. Just hold the thoughts. 149 00:17:25,260 --> 00:17:28,260 Things get a little weird from here. 150 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:37,260 She then called in john Mac, who was a Pulitzer Prize winner and a professor of psychiatry at Harvard to help her out with the investigations. 151 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:41,260 He to also had a chance to sit down and interview the kids. 152 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:46,260 What they told him is that the aliens had actually spoken to them. 153 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:49,260 But john, you may be asking. 154 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:57,260 How did the aliens speak to them if they only had little little baby slip mouse? There's no way that they could talk with those Mitch McConnell lips. 155 00:17:57,260 --> 00:18:03,260 Well, it's just dog jowls. 156 00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:08,260 Well, I'm glad you asked that in your head because they talked to them telepathically john. 157 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:10,260 I was going to say telepathically. 158 00:18:10,260 --> 00:18:11,260 Were you? 159 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:13,260 There's only there's only one path. 160 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:16,260 It's the only option anyways. 161 00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:22,260 Yeah, no, thankfully, the messages weren't something like super fucked up. 162 00:18:22,260 --> 00:18:28,260 Like, like, it wasn't like we're here to kill all of you and your family and take you with slaves. 163 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:37,260 Like it was like it was a little more more of a warning about what we should be doing as a species to protect life on Earth. 164 00:18:37,260 --> 00:18:45,260 The students who heard this message were told that something was going to happen and that pollution pollution mustn't be. 165 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:47,260 It's very broken. 166 00:18:47,260 --> 00:18:58,260 And one girl who read the message told told Mac that quote, I think that they want people to know that we're making harm on this world and we shouldn't and we mustn't get to technologils. 167 00:18:58,260 --> 00:19:00,260 Techno techno techno logs. 168 00:19:00,260 --> 00:19:01,260 Technological. 169 00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:06,260 No, it was T E C H N O L O G E D. 170 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:09,260 It was written everywhere. 171 00:19:09,260 --> 00:19:15,260 I'm going to say techno logged because I think that sounds way funnier. 172 00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:20,260 When you spelled it, all I heard was that death punk song. 173 00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:22,260 That's how you say it. 174 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:23,260 That's how you say it. 175 00:19:23,260 --> 00:19:25,260 OK. 176 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:31,260 Now, other children stated that he was told that the world would end because we're not taking care of the planet. 177 00:19:31,260 --> 00:19:32,260 So I guess it is kind of grim. 178 00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:39,260 Some of the kids heard pretty fucked up stuff, but it seems like it's kind of just like telling children to save the Earth. 179 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:41,260 But also, I feel like you're telling the wrong kids. 180 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:43,260 It's up to you five children right here. 181 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:45,260 I think they're telling the wrong kids. 182 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:47,260 It's Zimbabwe recess. 183 00:19:47,260 --> 00:19:53,260 Because I think, again, these children, their parents probably profited off of fracking and mining. 184 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:54,260 And what are they going to do? 185 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:56,260 They're going to fucking. 186 00:19:56,260 --> 00:19:58,260 I am really. 187 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:02,260 Daddy, the Mitch McConnell alien told me that you need to stop frack. 188 00:20:02,260 --> 00:20:07,260 I know again, I don't know if that's what they're if they're off the cliff, you go. 189 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:12,260 But I am going to keep asserting that they probably are shitty people. 190 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:15,260 Now, obviously, this made big news. 191 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:20,260 The BBC was actually there within a matter of days and did a bunch of stories about it. 192 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:24,260 I'm assuming because they're British and we're probably already in South Africa because. 193 00:20:24,260 --> 00:20:33,260 You know, that old gag, you know, the reason why. 194 00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:35,260 The other news agencies were there as well. 195 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:38,260 So pretty much everyone in the whole world had heard the stories. 196 00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:42,260 But, John, do you think it actually happened? 197 00:20:42,260 --> 00:20:46,260 Absolutely not. 198 00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:48,260 Well, I'm not one to say. 199 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:51,260 And I guess technically you weren't there. 200 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:58,260 Yeah, I can't remember where I was where you were where you were on Friday, September 16th, 1994. 201 00:20:58,260 --> 00:21:02,260 When you said it the first time, I was trying to think about that. 202 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:05,260 I was nine. Yeah, I don't know. 203 00:21:05,260 --> 00:21:08,260 I was doing something. So clearly, you were in Nintendo. 204 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:11,260 You were clearly in elementary school in Zimbabwe. Yes. 205 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:13,260 Oh, God. 206 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:17,260 Guinness is so thick. 207 00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:21,260 Terrible. I see you struggling with that with that glass over there. 208 00:21:21,260 --> 00:21:26,260 There are certain drinks you shouldn't drink as someone who uses their voice. 209 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:29,260 Milk being one Guinness being two. 210 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:32,260 And then there's not really many outside of that. 211 00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:35,260 So heads up, if you're ever going to start a podcast, don't drink milk. 212 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:39,260 Don't drink Guinness because it makes you sound like a frog. 213 00:21:39,260 --> 00:21:43,260 But yeah, I'm not one to say you're not one to say you weren't fucking there, John. 214 00:21:43,260 --> 00:21:45,260 I'd like I'd like to believe it did. 215 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:48,260 You didn't you didn't know me then. You don't know where I was. 216 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:52,260 Maybe I was in Zimbabwe. Maybe I am the aliens. 217 00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:55,260 Oh, shit. You didn't think about that, did you? 218 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:58,260 No, I didn't cover all angles of this. That's on me. 219 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:01,260 Well, I'm a bad researcher. I should have hit you up first. 220 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:04,260 I've been like, hey, John, where were you? 221 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:07,260 Hey, John, are you these Zimbabwe aliens? 222 00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:10,260 You caught me. That's why I don't come on this podcast a lot, 223 00:22:10,260 --> 00:22:13,260 because I've been getting scared. You're going to come to that conclusion. 224 00:22:13,260 --> 00:22:17,260 But you're also not three feet tall. You don't wear black suits. 225 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:21,260 You also have rugby sized eyeballs. I don't know what a rugby ball size is. 226 00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:28,260 Yeah, when I heard it's like they just described the aliens in South Park. 227 00:22:28,260 --> 00:22:32,260 That's all they did. That's fair. Kind of. Yeah. 228 00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:36,260 1994. No, South Park wasn't on yet. Those two years. 229 00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:39,260 South Park stole it from them. 230 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:44,260 If they ever did an episode like Zimbabwe did it. 231 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:49,260 Yeah. Did it? No. That joke landed flat. 232 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:53,260 All right. But if you look at the South Park aliens, those are rugby sized eyes. 233 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:56,260 That's what they mean. Yeah, but that doesn't help me understand. 234 00:22:56,260 --> 00:22:59,260 You know, it's we're good. I don't. I'll look it up after. 235 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:02,260 Is it the size of a football? I just need to know. Yes. 236 00:23:02,260 --> 00:23:05,260 I need a general size. That's too big for a head. Just a bigger football. 237 00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:08,260 That's too big for a head. That's what I'm saying. 238 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:12,260 And then a slit mouth. I mean. 239 00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:15,260 OK, well, let's move on, John. 240 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:17,260 I'm thinking about it too much. 241 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:19,260 But I'd like to I'd like to think that it did. 242 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:21,260 But there I like to think that it happened. 243 00:23:21,260 --> 00:23:26,260 But there are some flaws with how Hind and Mack went about their investigations. 244 00:23:26,260 --> 00:23:29,260 Shocking. Let me guess all of them. 245 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:34,260 For one, they interviewed the kids in groups of two and sometimes up to six at a time, 246 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:40,260 which made it a lot easier for them to pretty much yes and each other and keep their stories somewhat consistent. 247 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:46,260 And as for her claims that the children wouldn't have access to TV or movies depicting UFOs or aliens. 248 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:50,260 Well, remember, these are rich kids from a well off family. 249 00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:57,260 You're telling me that they didn't have access to like that shit like and they're only 14 miles from like the major metropolis area, 250 00:23:57,260 --> 00:24:02,260 which is the capital. And I'm assuming they definitely went to like movies, went out with their family. 251 00:24:02,260 --> 00:24:06,260 They were just like stuck in this whole crossroads of a town. 252 00:24:06,260 --> 00:24:09,260 And there's already like a UFO mania going on in the area. 253 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:13,260 So I'm assuming they probably heard about it. 254 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:16,260 Right. Or am I insane? 255 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:22,260 I mean, maybe I'm I have an apt input job. 256 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:27,260 Look, man. So I have my mouse pad. 257 00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:30,260 It's also a globe. So I'm looking at Zimbabwe on there. 258 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:34,260 Maybe maybe neighboring Botswana was having a problem. 259 00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:38,260 They were interested like a UFO problem. Yeah. 260 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:42,260 I don't think so. I'll look into it. 261 00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:48,260 But I think these kids are just chasing clout. What is rich in Zimbabwe? 262 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:51,260 I have no idea. It sounds expensive. 263 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:54,260 You know, whatever it is. So these aliens came down. 264 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:59,260 They telepathically said to these children that you need to stop polluting. 265 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:02,260 These children did nothing about it. 266 00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:05,260 Like they didn't become the Power Rangers or anything like as far as I know, 267 00:25:05,260 --> 00:25:10,260 none of them went on to like volunteer at Greenpeace or like anything like that. 268 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,260 Nothing. No rings. 269 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:16,260 I think I'm pretty sure at this point, they're probably our age by now. 270 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,260 Oh, yeah. And none of them. 271 00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:21,260 Where are they? That's what I'm saying. 272 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:23,260 This age of the Internet. 273 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:28,260 If there's whistleblowers all over the place, why are these people not whistleblowing? 274 00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:35,260 Dude, if I fucking met an alien when I was in fifth grade or whatever 275 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:40,260 and it told me to stop polluting, that would be my whole life from then on out. 276 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:43,260 Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? 277 00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:51,260 You got to think that like if I'm a kid and an alien meets me and says stop polluting, 278 00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:54,260 I am paranoid for the rest of my life. 279 00:25:54,260 --> 00:25:57,260 Any form of waste, I'm like losing it. 280 00:25:57,260 --> 00:26:02,260 Oh, yeah, dude. Like I would like my carbon footprint would be fucking zero. 281 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:06,260 Like a gum wrapper hitting the sidewalk. 282 00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:08,260 And I'm like, where is he? He's going to kill me. 283 00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:17,260 But now what if I told you that the environmental part of this might not be exactly what it seems? 284 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:21,260 Oh, now I'm hooked. 285 00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:26,260 All right. Well, according to all that's interesting dot com. 286 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:28,260 That's a legitimate website. 287 00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:33,260 Mac was a well was well was well known to be a huge environmental activist. 288 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:41,260 And it was only until after his interviews with the kids that they started talking about the anti-pollution message, 289 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:48,260 which is weird since Hinde interviewed them first and none of that was mentioned before she called him in. 290 00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:51,260 Yes. Yeah. Right. 291 00:26:51,260 --> 00:26:56,260 Little sketch. It's for a good cause, though, if that's true. 292 00:26:56,260 --> 00:27:00,260 I mean, if you're going to abuse your power, I guess abuse it for good. Right. 293 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:03,260 Yeah. I mean, I mean, there's there's no negative message in that. 294 00:27:03,260 --> 00:27:07,260 It's this. That's it's a guy in perspective. 295 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:15,260 But I mean, if he did taint his UFO investigation, I feel like that also puts like a lot of bad raps on like UFO investigators. 296 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:22,260 You know, I mean, like you're what you're doing is trying to be helpful and good, but you're also like fucking up 297 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:27,260 the rest of UFO ufology, however you want to pronounce it. 298 00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:33,260 You know what I mean? Like, yes, I've I've thought about that myself, Dave. 299 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:44,260 And I don't know the choice that the choice is pretty big where it's like if if that if I had the opportunity to get a message out. 300 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:49,260 Yeah. To a lot of people very quickly and something like that happened. 301 00:27:49,260 --> 00:27:56,260 I might I might you would you would you would use impressionable children who just claim to have seen a UFO to get your message out there. 302 00:27:56,260 --> 00:28:00,260 I mean, if enough eyes get on it, right. This tick tock era. 303 00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:03,260 Fair enough, I guess. I don't know. 304 00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:05,260 So you really got to do. Yeah. 305 00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:08,260 I don't know. I think the story's cool. I would like to believe it happened. 306 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:11,260 The only reason why is because I would have loved to have that happen to me as a kid. 307 00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:15,260 So I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to say it's true just for that reason alone. 308 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:25,260 But John, what I'm going to say it's true because you are so you are so enthusiastic about it and you want it to be true so bad that you're making me change my mind. 309 00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:32,260 Is that all right? I like that. I'm glad I could convince you with this hodgepodge of stories that really amounts to nothing. 310 00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:34,260 So I'm easily convincing. 311 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:37,260 The story is not that exciting. I just think it's cool. 312 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:41,260 You know what I mean? Like no one no one got killed. There's no shooting. There's no murder. 313 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:46,260 And that was just aliens being like, hey, throw that cup away. Yeah. 314 00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:50,260 That's all it was. How about a styrofoam? Huh? 315 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:53,260 How about how about paper bags instead of plastic? 316 00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:58,260 Yeah. You know, just little things, little changes can help with your carbon footprint. 317 00:28:58,260 --> 00:29:02,260 But yeah, that's the story of the aerial school phenomenon. 318 00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:05,260 What did you think, John? 319 00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:11,260 I was very interested. Yeah, very interested. 320 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:18,260 And I'm even more interested now because now I want to see if like what was the actual what was the actual message? 321 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:24,260 Like if this guy is changing it for environmental stuff, what did those kids really say? 322 00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:29,260 Yeah, I don't know. There was never like all the all the things that I saw and all the things that I read. 323 00:29:29,260 --> 00:29:33,260 They all had those same quotes. Like there wasn't like one cohesive message. 324 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:39,260 Not everyone got the same message, I think. I think we have to take a trip to Zimbabwe. 325 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:45,260 It's like I was reading up on it. It doesn't sound great. It's not like the best. 326 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:49,260 Yeah. Just bring a life vest. 327 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:53,260 And then we'll just go over the waterfall. Yeah. 328 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:59,260 Bring a life vest, some tuxedo pants and AK-47. Then you're good. 329 00:29:59,260 --> 00:30:05,260 That's probably bad. That's probably bad. I'm sure we could just pick up all those things while we're there. 330 00:30:05,260 --> 00:30:09,260 Yeah. Yeah. They're probably offered to you when you get off the plane. 331 00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:17,260 It's like in Hawaii when they put a lay on the side. They give you a life vest as armor and an AK-47. 332 00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:21,260 I'm fucking into it, dude. All right, John. Together with rubber bands. 333 00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:26,260 That's the episode. I want to thank you all for listening. I want to thank John for being the guest again today. 334 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:30,260 Thanks for inviting me again, Dave. Yeah, it was a good time. I hope you had fun. 335 00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:34,260 I did. I'm happy to hear that. Let's see. I always have fun when I'm with you, Dave. 336 00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:40,260 Oh, John, you make me feel warm. That could just be the Guinness. It's also hot as fuck in here. 337 00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:46,260 All right. Follow us on Instagram at Cryptid Cocktail. Follow us on Twitter at Cryptid Cocktail. 338 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:52,260 I never post there. 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