1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,760 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network. 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,360 Hey, what's up you guys? 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,360 I'm Catherine. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,360 And I'm Hayley. 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,160 And we are Saturdays are for the ghouls. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,560 A podcast on the Podmoth Network. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:27,640 We cover all things spooky like horror movies, true crime, the supernatural and spooky stories. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,120 In the most chaotic way possible. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,200 So join your favorite ghoul friends every Saturday wherever you listen to podcasts. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,400 And become a spooky babe. 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:01:05,240 So spooky babes, we'll see you in your nightmares. 12 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,840 Hello everyone. 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,240 Welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party. 14 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,240 A show where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,520 I'm your host Dave and today I'm joined by my sometimes co-host Nicholas Einzman. 16 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,520 How you doing bud? 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Dave, I'm doing great. 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,320 We're currently drinking buzz bombs, buzz bowls. 19 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:26,320 Yeah, don't worry about it. 20 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:27,320 Also put your mic close to your mouth. 21 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:28,320 Snuff it. 22 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:29,320 No one can hear you. 23 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:30,320 It's a terrible drink. 24 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:31,320 That's all you need to know. 25 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:35,360 The chuckling you might be hearing in the background is our special guest today. 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Mark Trollinger. 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Fuck, I already fucked up. 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:42,360 I asked you what it was two seconds ago and I already forgot. 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,960 Mark, how's it going man? 30 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:45,960 It's going great Dave. 31 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:46,960 Glad to be here. 32 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,520 I've been looking forward to it. 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,520 So have I. 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:56,760 So for our listeners who don't know, Mark is I guess the purveyor. 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,520 He's an author who is missing multiple. 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:00,640 How about you describe what you do? 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Because you're probably way better than him. 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:03,920 Right. 39 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:11,520 So I do write a series of fictional books that combine cryptozoology and craft beer. 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,520 And I know it's a weird combination, but I don't think it is. 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,160 It was two things that I happen to like. 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,640 So right up our alley. 43 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:19,640 Yeah. 44 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:20,640 Yeah. 45 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:25,000 And you know what I find that since I started, it seems to be more popular. 46 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,440 I see a lot of beers named after cryptozoology and I see like your podcast, I see games 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,760 and stuff and I was like, hey, this is pretty cool. 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,360 We got Rogue does bat squats. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,400 They also do, what's the other one? 50 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,400 There's another one. 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,480 The 603 I believe in New Hampshire does the Woods Devil. 52 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,480 Yeah. 53 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,480 One. 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Well we just saw a Jersey Devil wine. 55 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Oh yeah. 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:45,880 We were getting beer for the show. 57 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,880 Oh. 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:47,880 Yeah. 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,880 We almost got that. 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,880 But then we got these, have you ever heard of Buzz Bombs? 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Yeah I saw them. 62 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,840 Those little round balls. 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,200 I had never had one before. 64 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,160 So we decided that we were going to try them and word of advice, they're disgusting. 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,920 I saw them in Ohio. 66 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:08,320 I was just in Ohio last week and they were there right next to the the Bush light peach 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,320 and I was like, no. 68 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,320 As they should be. 69 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,320 Yeah. 70 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,320 That's probably where they belong. 71 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Oh yeah. 72 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,000 You were just in, you're just in Ohio for what was it? 73 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,280 Small town monster fest. 74 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Yeah. 75 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,280 It was really cool. 76 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,680 This was my first time going to like a cryptid convention. 77 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,680 Yeah. 78 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,680 They had some speakers. 79 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,080 They had some guests. 80 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,080 They had a lot of vendors. 81 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:33,480 So it's really cool because I've, yeah, I feel like I kind of stumbled into the cryptology 82 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,920 realm and you know, I interact with people now and so it's kind of cool to see those 83 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:38,920 people. 84 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Yeah. 85 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,640 From online, like in person. 86 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,000 It is weird how like welcome, I guess not weird, but the cryptic community is like one 87 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,200 of the most welcoming, welcoming communities that I've stumbled, again stumbled, like I 88 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,400 just started the show in February and since then, like, you know, I sponsored my first 89 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,200 cryptid festival in Squonka Palooza in August and then, but like everyone's been so welcoming 90 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,640 and kind and if I have any questions, they're always there to like answer them. 91 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,640 Like, so that's awesome. 92 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,640 You had a good time. 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,640 I'm really jealous. 94 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,240 I wish I could have been there. 95 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,680 I did buy a stuff Squonk while I was there. 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,320 Did you get it from a cryptid comforts? 97 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,320 I did. 98 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Yeah. 99 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Yeah. 100 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Cryptid comforts. 101 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,320 She had one left. 102 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Yeah. 103 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,320 She's, she's the one who's putting on Squonka Palooza. 104 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,520 We had her on the show, I think a couple months ago. 105 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Yeah. 106 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Month and a half. 107 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:24,520 Yeah. 108 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:25,520 She is. 109 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:26,520 Yeah. 110 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,520 It was really great to see her in person. 111 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,720 I'd seen her online a lot, but not in person. 112 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,200 I'm definitely going to buy one at Squonka Palooza, but I'm going to put a, like, if 113 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,680 you squeeze me, it'll cry. 114 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Oh, that's so good. 115 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,120 All right, Mark. 116 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,000 I didn't just bring you on to talk about your writing or your website, which is Myths and 117 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Molts Productions. 118 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,520 I feel like we didn't even, MythsandMolts.com, we didn't even plug that yet. 119 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,000 We'll have time for that, though. 120 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,820 But I brought you on and Nick begged me to come on because I have a story for the two 121 00:04:52,820 --> 00:04:57,200 of you that is hands down, as an adult, terrifying. 122 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,320 But I guess if you were a kid, it could be a really fun story. 123 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,040 How much do either of you guys know about England? 124 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:14,360 I've been twice and I racked up one heck of a ticket as far as, so they give you a ticket 125 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,040 for driving in town during business hours, Monday through Friday. 126 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,760 For driving through town? 127 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Yeah, like in London. 128 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,280 And it's only like maybe eight pounds back then, if you know and you pay it. 129 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,360 But I didn't know and I didn't pay it. 130 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,720 And by the time they contact me, it was like $300. 131 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Oh, God. 132 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,720 Oh, no. 133 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,720 So yeah. 134 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,600 That's like if you skip out on a toll here in Philly, like if you don't pay your toll 135 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,480 within like seven days, it jumps up like a hundred bucks. 136 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:41,480 Yeah. 137 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,480 And I know Fish and Chips. 138 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,480 It's one of my favorite drinks. 139 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,480 So besides from that. 140 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Fish and Chips tolls. 141 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,480 Maybe, maybe, Benny Hill. 142 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,120 Yeah, blood sausage. 143 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Blood sausage. 144 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,120 And bland food. 145 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Yeah. 146 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,680 Before we start, I guess, do either of you have an aversion to clowns? 147 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,680 I'm terrified of clowns. 148 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,840 I'm not a fan of clowns. 149 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:03,120 I don't think anyone's really a fan. 150 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,840 I feel like after John Wayne Gacy, like no one wants to deal with clowns. 151 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:10,520 I feel like before that, like they didn't have such a bad rap. 152 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,400 My dad is like low key obsessed with clowns. 153 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,400 I hate that. 154 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,400 You've met my dad. 155 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,400 He's. 156 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Your dad's the sweetest man. 157 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,760 He's. 158 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,600 We had a clown bathroom growing up. 159 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:21,600 Oh, gosh. 160 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,600 Yeah. 161 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,000 I have been to that clown hotel in Nevada. 162 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Did you? 163 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,000 It's really. 164 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 I want to go really badly. 165 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 I don't want to do it. 166 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,200 I didn't stay there, but I just went through the lobby. 167 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,200 It was really creepy. 168 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,880 I feel like that's as far as I could go. 169 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,880 I wouldn't go any further than that. 170 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,880 I think I'd stay there. 171 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Would you? 172 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:38,880 If I got hammered enough, I'd stay there. 173 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,880 I don't think I could. 174 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:40,880 All right, guys. 175 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Well, why don't we why don't we why don't we dive right in? 176 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,240 We got to quit clowning around. 177 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Yeah. 178 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,400 All right. 179 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,000 So this story is probably one of the best one off cryptid slash alien slash interdimensional 180 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 being stories to ever come out of anywhere at any time ever. 181 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,920 That's just my humble opinion. 182 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,920 It's got everything. 183 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,200 It's got swamps. 184 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,180 It's got intrigue and it's got two young children with no sense of self preservation. 185 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:08,640 So so it's the Goonies. 186 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,640 You guys ready? 187 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,640 I'm ready. 188 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,640 All right. 189 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,300 So in May of 1973, two miles off the coast of Hampshire, England, on the Isle of Wight, 190 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:24,320 two children experienced what I as an adult would describe as super fucked up. 191 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,320 But what what they encountered, at least in the eyes of these children, was nothing more 192 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,780 than a harmless, fun and only sometimes scary interaction with a clown like entity known 193 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:36,480 only as Sam the Sand Down clown. 194 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,880 So not neither of you neither of you guys are familiar with Sam. 195 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,520 No, I already don't like him. 196 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,800 No, you're not a fan, Nick. 197 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Well, before we get into it, let's kind of just set the scene. 198 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:51,480 So Sand Down is a nice little seaside resort town on the southern coast of the Isle of 199 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,280 Wight, has a pretty temperate climate compared to most of New England. 200 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,120 Oh, not New England, England. 201 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Sorry. 202 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,400 Which which which makes it an ideal vacation and tourist destination. 203 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,560 It's like a typical resort town, restaurants, beaches, boardwalks and nature preserves. 204 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,680 There's something there for like everyone to do. 205 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,280 They got the the Sand Down carnival, which sounds pretty fun. 206 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,880 The Isle of Wight Scooter Festival rally and the Shanklin and Sand Down golf course. 207 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,880 And it's at this golf course where our story begins. 208 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:29,240 My question there, or alphabet is, this clown played, you said it starts at a golf course. 209 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,240 Does he play golf? 210 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,120 No, that's just where the story begins. 211 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:38,040 So like I said up top, in May of 1973, a seven year old girl known only as Faye and her friend 212 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,920 were vacationing with their families near Lake Common in Sand Down. 213 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Faye and her friend, whose name we don't know, we just know that it's a young boy of approximately 214 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,080 the same age, were wandering around the golf course, just being kids, when they both were 215 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,440 startled by a strange noise. 216 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,040 They both heard what they described later on as a repetitive monotone wailing sound that 217 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,580 they compared to that of an ambulance, like a British ambulance. 218 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:06,000 So it probably just had a bunch of vowels that no one needed. 219 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,520 And it was like wee woo, innit? 220 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Right out where wee woo, eh? 221 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,160 Sorry for anyone who was in English. 222 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,560 Right out you go in the underground, but you quit getting this ambulance, yeah? 223 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:25,560 It goes, wee woo. 224 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,720 Less than 3% of our listener base. 225 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,720 All right. 226 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,640 So now Faye and her friend, being the intrepid explorers that they are, decided to head in 227 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,800 the direction of the noise to try and figure out where the sound was coming from. 228 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,160 They made their way across the golf course and then basically bushwhacked through some 229 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,320 bushes and overgrowth when they stumbled into a swampy patch of land near the Sand Down 230 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,160 airport that at this point was pretty much abandoned. 231 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,260 It was just like a swampy, rut-filled patch of just swamp lands at this point. 232 00:09:56,260 --> 00:10:00,480 Now when they entered the swampy clearing, they noticed that the monotone wailing that 233 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,960 they had been chasing stopped. 234 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Now they had already come this far and decided that hey, we should at least take a look around 235 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,280 see if we can at least try and figure out where this sound was coming from. 236 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,760 So that's exactly what they did. 237 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Again, no sense of self-preservation. 238 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:23,360 They searched the area and came across a narrow creek covered by a quaint little footbridge. 239 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Right? 240 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Sounds nice. 241 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,400 Sounds very English. 242 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,640 Yeah. 243 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Now as the kids started to make their way over the bridge without warning, a large three-fingered 244 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,880 hand wearing a blue glove came out from under the bridge and seemed to be urging the children 245 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,520 to come closer. 246 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,200 No. 247 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:50,240 Just anything that comes out from underneath the bridge, just like a disembodied arm, hand, 248 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 limb without a face, you don't go near. 249 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,240 No. 250 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Yeah. 251 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,040 I don't know about you, Mark, but at this point, this is where I would just be like, 252 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,440 no thank you, and just kind of slowly start backing away. 253 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Well, it seems like they did come through quite a challenging landscape to get there. 254 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,400 So maybe you have to see it through. 255 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,280 I mean, yeah, I guess it's very Goonies-esque, like we got to make it, we got to go. 256 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,440 But yeah, so like I said, I don't want any part of that. 257 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,880 And this is when I would have bounced out. 258 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,780 But not these two prepubescent Jacustos. 259 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:26,900 They stood there and watched as what I could only describe as an abomination to God crawled 260 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:29,660 out from underneath their bridge and stood before them. 261 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:35,560 The being was described in British UFO research associations, more commonly known as Bufora. 262 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:41,800 Their 1978 journal as being, quote, seven feet tall, had no neck, for his head appeared 263 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,280 to be wedged straight onto his shoulders. 264 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,920 He wore a yellow pointed hat, which interlocked with the red collar of a tattered green tunic. 265 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,960 A round black knob was affixed to the top of the hat and wooden antennae were attached 266 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,960 on either side. 267 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,520 Now, you might be thinking, that's only vaguely clown-like in appearance. 268 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Well, they go on to describe it stating that, quote, the face had triangular markings for 269 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,560 eyes, a brown square of a nose and motionless yellow lips. 270 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,740 Other round markings were on his paper white cheeks and a fringe of red hair fell onto 271 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:16,280 his forehead. 272 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,580 Wooden slats protruded from his sleeves and below his white trousers. 273 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:24,360 And was also noted as only having three fingers and three toes. 274 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,480 Oh, he's also barefoot. 275 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,520 So at this point, guys, how are we feeling about this guy? 276 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,520 Yeah, I would definitely turn away. 277 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,320 I would turn away. 278 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Yeah, I mean, I would turn away almost immediately. 279 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,480 It's like Pinocchio from Hell. 280 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,280 Is the entirety made out of wood or is it just parts of him? 281 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,280 That's never really explained. 282 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,800 I've heard it told, because I listen to a bunch of podcasts and I read a bunch of blogs 283 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,860 about it. 284 00:12:55,860 --> 00:13:02,120 Some say that it is like a quarter wood, a quarter flesh and bone, and then like a quarter 285 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,240 of like almost like a robot. 286 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,080 Like it's like a living robot kind of deal. 287 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,280 It sounds more like a golem. 288 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:16,560 No, like it sounds, or like, I'm pronouncing that wrong, but it sounds like it's made for 289 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:17,560 a purpose. 290 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:21,440 All right, so we'll get into it a little later just because of like the way they describe 291 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,440 how it walks. 292 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:23,440 It does almost sound like. 293 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,440 Closety click? 294 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,440 No, it doesn't. 295 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,440 All right, we'll get it. 296 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,120 We'll when we get to how it moves, we'll kind of talk about it. 297 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,200 Now as the two children stood there in disbelief of what they were seeing, this nightmare bozo, 298 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,440 it started behaving in a way that some would describe as clownish. 299 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,040 He started fumbling a book that he'd been carrying before dropping into the water and 300 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,720 splashing around in his attempt to retrieve it. 301 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:53,520 So basically picture a clown dropping a book and then a clown trying to receive said book. 302 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,800 And whatever you pictured, that's what was happening. 303 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,800 Like it kind of. 304 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,160 It's probably probably because he only has three fingers. 305 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,640 So he couldn't hold it. 306 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,880 Three fingers and it's like mostly made out of wood. 307 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,640 Yeah, but it was acting in a way that was clownish. 308 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,480 Like it's got no joints. 309 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,480 It has joints. 310 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,480 All right. 311 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Well, Faye and her friend watched this vaudevillian slapstick routine before the clown eventually 312 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,200 retrieved his book and retreated away from them. 313 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,600 It said that he leaped from the river and moved in a knee high hopping motion that the 314 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Kryptonaut podcast described as being similar to an astronaut moving about on the lunar 315 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,280 surface. 316 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,480 So it was kind of a jerky essentially. 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,680 Yeah, but it was like almost like floating in a way. 318 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,480 So it did have kind of like a marionette way about it. 319 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,200 So, you know, maybe it was like a like an alien man. 320 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,200 I don't know. 321 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,200 But it was. 322 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,560 But when you brought a knight like a hellish Pinocchio, that is kind of vaguely how it 323 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,560 moved. 324 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,560 OK. 325 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,960 Now, the creature then ducked into a windowless metal hut, leaving the kids alone, probably 326 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,560 to give them time to think twice before deciding to investigate strange sounds in the middle 327 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,560 of the swamp. 328 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,960 But the two of them just kind of hung out for a minute and stared at the hut before 329 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,400 deciding that now is now is the best time to kind of start wandering away. 330 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,440 But they didn't get very far when they were about 50 yards, 150 feet or so away. 331 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,640 The figure emerged from his hut, carrying what appeared to be a microphone attached 332 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,240 to a portable, a portable amplifier. 333 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,560 In my head, I picture one of those old Mr. Microphones. 334 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Remember those? 335 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,360 They had like the eyeballs. 336 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,960 Are we sure this isn't just a at a work podcaster? 337 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,360 It just sounds like me on a Friday night. 338 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,200 It does kind of. 339 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:41,700 So the way it continues, it's almost like he's he's about to test out new material 340 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:43,120 for his tight five. 341 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,400 Like it is almost like a standup comedian. 342 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,320 So you're saying is Sam the Sandman Clown is actually me. 343 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,320 Yeah. 344 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:59,160 It's you whenever you go camping up in the Pine Barrens. 345 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:07,280 No, it was then that the wailing sound they had heard initially the way we brought up. 346 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:14,220 It's making this worse as you're staring me down as you're saying. 347 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:19,080 It was then that the wailing sound returned this time at a much greater volume, so loud 348 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,720 that it frightened the boy and he started running as they was about to turn and follow 349 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,920 the siren sound faded and the clown spoke into the microphone. 350 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,120 Pretty much sensing he's about to lose his audience. 351 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,640 The clown simply asks, you still there? 352 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,640 It's a podcaster. 353 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:42,440 It is 100 percent a podcaster and is me in like three more weeks. 354 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Now the boy stopped running and he and Faye had a little little sidebar and after much 355 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,880 consideration decided that the clown had a voice that sounded friendly and decided to 356 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,080 head back towards him. 357 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,080 No, sure. 358 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,880 It's a dumb idea. 359 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:04,000 It was then that the clown held up his notebook that he was fumbling with earlier and opened 360 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,480 it up to reveal a series of jumbled words written in large, almost childlike handwriting. 361 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,080 Faye, obviously being the braver of the two, got closer to try and make sense of what she 362 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,080 was looking at. 363 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,600 Since the words were all over the page and weren't in any readable order, the entity 364 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,960 pointed to each word as Faye read them, revealing the message as, quote, Hello, and I am all 365 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:27,960 colors, Sam. 366 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Wow. 367 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:34,000 And that's why we know Faye's name is because she took the initiative to step up and the 368 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,080 other guy didn't. 369 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:41,480 So Faye is actually a pseudonym in the in the before a journal. 370 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,600 They didn't use her real name to protect her and then her father also this. 371 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,200 So preceding this story, her father is known as Mr. Why in the journal and he had like 372 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,800 15 different UFO experiences within like the earlier 10 years. 373 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,800 We're not going to get into that. 374 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,080 That could be a whole separate story. 375 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,080 Hold on. 376 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,560 I mean, we know Faye as one of the world's largest Fortune 500 companies or CEOs because 377 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,120 she took the initiative with Sam. 378 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,120 Yeah. 379 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:09,800 Faye's probably crushing it in life right now. 380 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,360 You know that she's out there somewhere just killing it. 381 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:14,360 Incredibly assertive. 382 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:15,360 100 percent. 383 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:21,400 She's yeah, she doesn't take shit from no one, let alone some weird interdimensional clown 384 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,400 wooden clown. 385 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,400 Yeah. 386 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:29,680 Faye now joined by her friend and both feeling more comfortable around this seven foot tall 387 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:35,120 monster decided that they wanted to know more about Sam and decided to ask him some questions. 388 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,120 This is my favorite part of the whole fucking story. 389 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,480 They just wanted to build like a nice rapport with the man. 390 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,520 You know, they asked him about his tattered clothes and he replied that they were the 391 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,640 only clothes he had available. 392 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Faye then asked, are you human? 393 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,160 To which Sam simply replied, no. 394 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,660 They then asked Sam if he was a ghost, to which the being answered, well, not really, 395 00:18:56,660 --> 00:18:58,880 but I am in an odd sort of way. 396 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:04,620 And then Faye not not taking the shit and was very unsatisfied with the vague answers. 397 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:08,040 She decided just to straight up ask him, well, what are you? 398 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,080 To which Sam replied, you know, you know. 399 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,600 No way. 400 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:31,880 So I'm imagining like the Jack in the Box, like in the Jack in the Box, like mascot, 401 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,880 right? 402 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:33,880 Just like really down in his look. 403 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,880 He's vaguely kind of what he looks like. 404 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,080 Like he's super chummed up. 405 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,080 He had a bender in England. 406 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,080 He ended up in San Dan somehow. 407 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:47,400 I just love the, well, what are you? 408 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,200 You know, don't worry about it. 409 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,880 You know, shrugs and says, you know. 410 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,920 No, I don't know. 411 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,640 Obviously she didn't give a tone. 412 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,080 I don't know the tone of it, but in my head is a coy, like a real coy, like, you know, 413 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,520 hey, don't worry about it. 414 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,520 You know me. 415 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,520 He's Sam. 416 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:05,520 That's what it is. 417 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,520 All right. 418 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,240 So Sam went on to explain to the children that even though he has, he said his name was Sam 419 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,200 in his message that he'd written down, he actually had no real name and even alluded 420 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,080 to the fact that there was more like him on earth and confessed that he was actually frightened 421 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,700 of humans because he was afraid that they might hurt him. 422 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:26,400 And even if he was attacked, he would not fight back. 423 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,120 So I mean, he sounds like a gentle soul. 424 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:30,120 I think he's full of shit. 425 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,120 What do you think, Mark? 426 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:37,920 Yeah, I think it's it's maybe just like a pervert. 427 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,920 I don't know. 428 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,280 This is like living on the woods. 429 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,280 All right. 430 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,280 So that is. 431 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:48,960 So that is one of the theories that we'll get to those at the end. 432 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,240 It's just a carny that like is down. 433 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,440 Yeah, it's a carny that they like got rid of the freak show and he just like, well, I'm 434 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,440 just going to go fuck off in the woods. 435 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,440 And he's only there for like six hours. 436 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,440 Yeah, that's true. 437 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,440 Explains why he has the Mr. Microphone. 438 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,440 Yeah, but I. 439 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,320 He was actually the ringleader of the side show of the side show. 440 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,320 We'll get into what it is. 441 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,320 All right. 442 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,040 So now, you know, after this extra extraterrestrial heart to heart that they had, Sam and Sam 443 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:25,040 invited these two very young children into his metal windowless hut in the middle of 444 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:31,440 a swamp located on the edge of an abandoned runway by way of a small flap on the side 445 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,920 of it. 446 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:40,180 The two children took him up on his offer and entered the hut first, followed by Sam, 447 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:41,880 the abominable clown. 448 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:42,880 Yeah. 449 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,880 Yeah. 450 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,880 What could go wrong? 451 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,880 Right. 452 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,000 There's so many things here that like I will say this story does have an app like a happy 453 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000 idea. 454 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Like no one got murdered. 455 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 No one got eaten. 456 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,240 Jack in the Box mascot gave him like a number three with a happy meal on the side. 457 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,480 Yeah, but he's also he seems like a genuinely good dude. 458 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,480 I'd hang out with them. 459 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,840 All right. 460 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,880 So you guys want to know how his hut was decorated? 461 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,880 Yeah. 462 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Yeah, I guess a lot of buzz balls probably. 463 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,200 It's actually just entirely built out of buzz balls. 464 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,840 So the first floor was pretty roomy with enough room to stand comfortably, especially for 465 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,640 a seven foot tall clown monster. 466 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,360 It's seven feet tall, seven feet tall. 467 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,360 You were not paying attention. 468 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,360 I misheard that. 469 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,640 Yeah, seven feet tall. 470 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,640 Big fuck. 471 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,640 Now. 472 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,680 So the first floor is pretty roomy enough room to stand, especially if you're seven 473 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,400 feet tall and nothing more than an electric heater and some basic wooden furniture. 474 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,040 The walls were adorned with bluish green wallpaper and covered in a series of dials. 475 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,800 The upper level wasn't really anything to write home about. 476 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,560 It was just like a small little. 477 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:49,560 It's two. 478 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,640 It's two floors, by the way. 479 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,240 His metal hut is two floors, two floors in the house. 480 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840 That's like a house living in the lap of luxury. 481 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,400 They live in the silo. 482 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:03,240 Well, it was described as I didn't write this down, but it was described as, you know, it's 483 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,400 like metal, like those kind of elongated tubular metal structures on like work sites and stuff 484 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,400 like that. 485 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,480 It was described basically like that. 486 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,600 So you could just be a car and you live in the woods. 487 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:22,160 But no, once everyone settled in, Sam told the children that he survived mostly off of 488 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,000 berries that he would harvest during the afternoons and got his water from a nearby river, but 489 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,320 that he actually had to clean it before it was actually safe to drink. 490 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,600 He also told them that he had a second camp somewhere on England's mainland, but didn't 491 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,600 give them a specific location. 492 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,600 Hey, so you guys want to know how Sam eats? 493 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Yeah. 494 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,600 OK, we're going to. 495 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,200 Here we go. 496 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,740 Now at this point, Sam decided that he was feeling a little peckish and decided to munch 497 00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:50,440 down on some of those berries he was going on about. 498 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,440 They did. 499 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,720 It did sound pretty delicious. 500 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,880 So Sam removed his hat to reveal rounded white ears. 501 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,400 He he then and this is what the children described. 502 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,920 This isn't like what I'm making up right now. 503 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,860 He then placed one of the berries in his ear. 504 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:12,520 He then whipped his head forward, causing the berry to disappear from his ear before 505 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,520 reappearing in his eye. 506 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,000 He then repeated the head thrusting once again, causing the berry to drop down and reach his 507 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000 mouth. 508 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,720 So, you know, just pretty normal way to eat berries. 509 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,720 It's pretty normal. 510 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,880 There's I have so many questions. 511 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,880 We'll answer. 512 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,880 We'll get to all the questions at the end. 513 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,000 Just let me finish my lecture and then we're almost at the end. 514 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,700 I promise the children hung out for about another half hour or so asking Sam questions 515 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:44,140 and getting his usual half answers that he was giving in return. 516 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:47,360 What those questions were and what the answers were is unknown. 517 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:53,840 They weren't in the before report that I read, which is which is where a majority of all 518 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,040 the information I got my I can put a link to the source if anyone wants to read it. 519 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,360 It's pretty wild. 520 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,120 But after saying their goodbyes, they ran out of there to tell the first person that 521 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,640 they that they came across that they saw a bona fide ghost. 522 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,920 Because at this point, they still think he's a ghost because he didn't really give when 523 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,400 he's when they asked if he's a ghost, he's like, I am, but not really. 524 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,400 So they still think he's a ghost. 525 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,160 But yeah, they ran out to tell the first person, which is exactly what they did. 526 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,720 The first person they ran across was a groundskeeper who, upon hearing this fantastical tale, just 527 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,040 kind of laughed it off, thinking it was a couple of kids telling tales out of school. 528 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,760 But his reaction to the children really upset them. 529 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:37,440 And as a result, took a couple of weeks to tell her father about the incident and what 530 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,640 happened, who even himself didn't really believe it, but eventually came around due to the 531 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,920 amount of detail in her story and that like the conviction she had when telling the story. 532 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,480 Like she really believed that this is what happened. 533 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:54,440 And he even went and questioned the boy and he the boy corroborated everything that she 534 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,960 said and he felt pretty good about it. 535 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,720 So a little while later, her father explored the area where the alleged sighting had happened. 536 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,040 But there was nothing. 537 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,400 There was no metal hut, no clown, not even like an indent or discoloration of the graph 538 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,160 where like a hut would be. 539 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,840 Because if it was there for a while, there'd be something, you know, swampy. 540 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,080 You think there'd be like a like an imprint or something. 541 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,080 Right. 542 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Maybe it's like a brigadoon. 543 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,080 It just appears. 544 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,640 Well, we'll get into. 545 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,640 So he even talked to a couple of workers who had been repairing a nearby post around the 546 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560 time of the incident, but they claim they didn't see anything. 547 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,280 They didn't see a clown, a hut. 548 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,620 They didn't even see the children. 549 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:41,080 So to this day, no one is quite sure what Sam is or was. 550 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,880 Some claim he's a creature of time and space, an interdimensional being who kind of just 551 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,720 crossed over the veil from one dimension into another. 552 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,360 Some people do say that cryptids, a lot of them are kind of they pop in and out between 553 00:26:56,360 --> 00:27:00,160 realities, sometimes even having not like a force field. 554 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,680 But you ever see that movie with Natalie Portman, the one where it's like those bulb, like the 555 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,960 domes and they go through the domes and no, never mind. 556 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,960 We'll scratch that. 557 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,560 I want to know what this movie is. 558 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,560 It was weird. 559 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,560 It was weird. 560 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,560 But like. 561 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,000 So it's interdimensional, but also there's there might be like a field around him where 562 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,360 the kids watered and wandered into it and they could see him. 563 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:29,000 But the reason why the poll workers didn't see either Faye, the boy or the thing is because 564 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000 they couldn't. 565 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,920 They weren't in that protective bubble. 566 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,000 They were just seeing the reality around them, not the reality of what they crossed into. 567 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:44,520 Some say he was an alien or like a like a drone kind of thing that came down. 568 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,800 And they that's why he's fucking weird as shit. 569 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,560 I have no idea. 570 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,260 The other thing is that he could have just been a really creepy fucking dude wearing 571 00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:54,800 a wooden mask. 572 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,580 And like, yeah, like there's so many possibilities of what he could be. 573 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:04,960 But whatever Sam is, he left behind one of the best stories to ever come out of the paranormal 574 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,200 worlds and I love it. 575 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,400 So Nick, we'll start with you. 576 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,800 What do you think of Sam the Sand Down Clown? 577 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,800 I'm torn. 578 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Right. 579 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,000 Obviously, I'm a pretty firm believer in the unknown and you know, the paranormal. 580 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,760 Well you were a card carrying member of Mufon. 581 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,960 Yeah, I am. 582 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,440 I think it's just a creep down by the river. 583 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,440 Why would you need a space heater? 584 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,680 So that's the one thing, too. 585 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,960 It was an electric heater, but I don't think he was running wires through the swamp. 586 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,960 So you just have for aesthetics. 587 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,960 I don't know. 588 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Maybe it was big enough to make make like a it was like a good table. 589 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,320 I don't know. 590 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,320 I think it's creeped down by the river. 591 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,960 Like, you know, the ghost the ghost comment could be more along the lines of like, I'm 592 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,960 a ghost for the government. 593 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,960 They think I'm dead. 594 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,200 Like, he's just off the grid. 595 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,200 It could be. 596 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,200 I don't know. 597 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Now, my other question here is the three fingers, right? 598 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,120 So that's the other thing. 599 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800 So I don't think it could be a human because it had it was barefoot. 600 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,560 It had three toes and three fingers. 601 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,160 Oh, so they saw the toes. 602 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,440 It was barefoot the whole time. 603 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,520 See, I'm thinking of like the Mickey Mouse gloves where it's one digit, two digit, three 604 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,520 digit. 605 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440 Yeah, but no, it had didn't have was more in shoes. 606 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,440 So it didn't have. 607 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,160 Then my you know, my stand by the theory of a it's just a car and that got fired and I'm 608 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,720 going to go fuck off in the woods. 609 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,920 He lost a bunch of toes in a weird like tilt oral accident. 610 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Could be. 611 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,560 And that's why he only had the. 612 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Lost the ring toss. 613 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,560 It could be. 614 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,560 I don't know. 615 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,560 Mark, it was the 70s. 616 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,560 So maybe. 617 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,560 Yeah, yeah. 618 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Very, very lax safety regulations were in the 70s. 619 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,560 Yeah, like right. 620 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Yeah. 621 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:50,560 Every toy one of the very lost in a lawn dart. 622 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,560 Exactly. 623 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,600 Mark, what do you think? 624 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:03,040 Well, you know, so the UFO part, like I think the British have more more transparency in 625 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,440 UFO stories than we do, but they've collected a lot of reports. 626 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,760 So maybe and then but you know what you said, the kids dad had all these sightings. 627 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,560 So maybe they just heard stories. 628 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:22,520 And then they happened to find the fired carny pervert in the woods. 629 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Well, the other theory is too, is that so not long before this, Mr. Y phase dad, he 630 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320 had a UFO encounter. 631 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:38,260 And what I was thinking is that they said that his hut was covered in dials. 632 00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:44,960 So maybe the hut wasn't actually a hut and it might have been the UFO that her father 633 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,840 saw landed in the swamp and they actually came across across it like later. 634 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,800 And that's what his they were in. 635 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,800 They were in the ship. 636 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,800 They weren't in a hut. 637 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,480 I mean, if you want to take the fantastical approach to it, that would explain why it 638 00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,480 disappeared. 639 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,480 Yes, exactly. 640 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,520 It does explain why he took. 641 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,720 He would just up and vanish. 642 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,760 Like I think that could be a viable explanation or it could just be a fucking weird on the 643 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,400 woods because he did say that when so he could talk without the microphone, which I didn't 644 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,800 think I said in the story, but when he did, it sounded like someone talking who couldn't 645 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,620 open their mouth all the way. 646 00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:23,080 So it did sound like someone wearing a mask. 647 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,080 So I don't know. 648 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,080 I don't know. 649 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:31,440 Maybe it was a ventriloquist from the carnival. 650 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,440 I don't know. 651 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,080 All I know is that it's a great story and that I want to meet Sam. 652 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Sam sounds like a good time. 653 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,880 He sounds like a really funny literally. 654 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,760 He said Sam sounds like a carny. 655 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,040 He sounds like someone you would see at a freak show either at Coney Island or in Austin, 656 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,040 Texas. 657 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,360 But he's having but he's doing tricks. 658 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,520 Yeah, well, that's the Barry thing through the ear to the ear. 659 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,520 You know what you call that? 660 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,520 Yeah. 661 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Separated. 662 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,520 It's the deviated. 663 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,520 Do you accept them? 664 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,520 Yeah. 665 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,440 I don't think that's it. 666 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,440 I don't know. 667 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,440 But all right. 668 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120 Well, that's so that's the story, guys. 669 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,120 What did you guys think? 670 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,760 Do you think it's possible that it could be I kind of I am aiming more towards interdimensional 671 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,720 something that crossed over or they cross or the fan or the other boy crossed into another 672 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,440 dimension, I guess. 673 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920 I think that's I don't know how real that is. 674 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640 I don't know if I truly believe in interdimensional being. 675 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320 I guess I kind of do because I believe in ghosts. 676 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,160 But I'm leaning more towards that. 677 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,840 We're not we're clearly not going to solve this today. 678 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,120 I don't think us three are going to be the ones to really crack the case and say, yeah, 679 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600 and then, Glenn, well, maybe that bridge is the key. 680 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Like they walked over the bridge. 681 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,600 It's like a bridge to Arrabithia. 682 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,600 It's a bridge to the bridge to Arrabithia. 683 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,560 Maybe, you know, Sam town clown. 684 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:02,280 All I know is that if I saw hand reach out from under a bridge, I would have left immediately. 685 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,280 Yeah. 686 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,960 But you know, it's like it was like 2016. 687 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,680 The U.S. had all those creepy clowns appearing and people were like, yes, the year I graduated 688 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,960 college, there was like 15 clowns in Plymouth, New Hampshire, and I outed one of them. 689 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,640 And I'm still one of my life's greatest achievements outing a couple that worked at the deskies 690 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,640 in Plymouth, New Hampshire. 691 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:31,080 I do remember the weird that was like a weird era of American culture where there was all 692 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,080 those. 693 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,800 It was like, remember when Swing came back for like a hot minute with like the cherry 694 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,000 poppin daddies, it was like it was like that for like creepy burger clowns. 695 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080 I didn't get into that swing movement. 696 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,800 It was a short lived. 697 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,800 It wasn't very long. 698 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640 They had a couple of Navy commercials. 699 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,160 Cherry poppin daddies had a song or two and that was somehow gotten a swing. 700 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Yes. 701 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,160 Yeah. 702 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,160 I don't know. 703 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,320 But yeah, we're not going to figure it out today. 704 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,440 But I just want to say that I loved it and I think it's great. 705 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,320 It's definitely a really fun story. 706 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,160 It's fun as hell. 707 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,800 It's interesting that Faye's dad had that many encounters, sightings. 708 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,080 He had like four or five that are all over it. 709 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,880 Do we know anything that like happened afterwards? 710 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Do they see anything more of like just encounters, UFOs? 711 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,800 I'm assuming they went to the wind. 712 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,760 The before a report like the journal after the Faye story and the sand down clown, it 713 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,120 just moved on to the next story. 714 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,400 So I don't know, but I don't want to know. 715 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,760 I don't want to know if it was ever solved. 716 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,760 I don't want. 717 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,000 I want the mystery in my head. 718 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Like I want this story to be just what it is, a standalone. 719 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,600 I'm more curious about the dead. 720 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,200 He's marked for some reason. 721 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,200 Yeah. 722 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,200 Yeah. 723 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,680 Maybe he has an end point. 724 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,800 If someone was saying that it was, it might be like, I guess like in that area, there's 725 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,080 what is called a flap. 726 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,800 I don't know if you guys are familiar with flaps. 727 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,400 Like so there is a lot of a lot of sightings. 728 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,400 Yeah. 729 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,920 Maybe not so much now that it's more, it's even more so of a destination for like tourists 730 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,760 or something like that, like, but I think like way back, like it was more, it was more 731 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,760 flappy. 732 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,840 Well, I mean, Mark, you hit the nail right in the head. 733 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,280 England as a whole, they're a lot more open with their UFO disclosure. 734 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,280 Yeah. 735 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,440 So I'm wondering if like, what do you mean? 736 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,400 Maybe now maybe it's happening now, but since they're so open and I think they they're not 737 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,400 reporting it as much because it's just like, that's just what it is. 738 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,280 At this point, it's become a another piece of news. 739 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,280 Yeah. 740 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,280 It's their day to day. 741 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,280 So they're not really going to call before or whoever. 742 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,600 I don't even know before it still exists, but I don't know. 743 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,600 All right. 744 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,960 So we're coming up on 40 minutes. 745 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,440 So I think it's time to kind of just go. 746 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,440 It's going to be a longer episode. 747 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,320 I know this is going to be a longer episode, but before we go, I just want to say, Mark, 748 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,320 thank you so much for coming on. 749 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,960 Thank you so much for sponsoring the episodes. 750 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400 I really do appreciate it. 751 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,600 Before we sign off, is there anything you want to plug? 752 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,680 Tell people, tell people everything they need to know about you, where they can find you 753 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,400 on socials, where they can read your books, buy your books, websites, all that stuff. 754 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,400 Cool. 755 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,400 Yeah. 756 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,320 So mostly Instagram. 757 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:08,080 That's Mark underscore Trollinger T-R-O-L-L-I-N-G-E-R. 758 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:14,520 I do have myths and malts dot com where you can see any events. 759 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,720 I'm trying to get some more events. 760 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:22,120 In the past, I did some book signings at breweries and I thought that worked out pretty well 761 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,320 because I figure, you know, if people are into the, you know, they're into the beers, 762 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,640 they're probably into monsters. 763 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,320 So or, you know, unknown creatures. 764 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,640 So or they drink beers and become a monster and then they should be arrested because they 765 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,560 themselves are local legends. 766 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,680 I saw that hat that said local cryptid. 767 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,680 I almost bought it. 768 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,800 But yeah, so I'm on I'm writing book six right now. 769 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,520 It's set in Maryland, Maryland, Goatman. 770 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,520 Oh, hell yeah. 771 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,520 Oh, is it the Goatman's Bridge? 772 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,520 Yeah. 773 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,160 Yeah, it's going to be in there. 774 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,640 I love Goatman's Bridge. 775 00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,640 We should go. 776 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,640 We're not that far. 777 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:01,640 Yeah, you should go. 778 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,000 We're also not far from Clinton Road. 779 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 We've been talking about that for years. 780 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000 We moved to Philly. 781 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000 I need to go back to Clinton Road. 782 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000 Sorry, sorry, Mark. 783 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Continue. 784 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 We're just making plans real quick. 785 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080 Just plotting out our next six. 786 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,240 What about the Jersey Devil? 787 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,400 You're close to that. 788 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,400 We're very close to that. 789 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,840 I'm in the Pine Barrens probably every other weekend. 790 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,840 This was a month, right? 791 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,840 Yeah. 792 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,040 I camp out there all the time and it is. 793 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,040 Oh, wow. 794 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,040 We'll talk about it at some point. 795 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,040 That would be really cool. 796 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,040 I don't want to do that. 797 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,040 I'll take your dogs. 798 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,040 That's fine. 799 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,040 Ali wants to go. 800 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,040 So I guess we have to go now. 801 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,040 We can rent a cabin. 802 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,040 I know. 803 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,040 If I'm going to go camping. 804 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,040 I don't like camping. 805 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,040 I don't like camping in cabins. 806 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,040 I like tents, fire. 807 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,040 I don't. 808 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,040 I don't like camping in cabins. 809 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,040 I don't like camping in cabins. 810 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,040 I like tents, fire. 811 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,040 I don't. 812 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,040 I don't. 813 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,040 I don't. 814 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,040 I don't. 815 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,040 I don't. 816 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,040 I don't. 817 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,040 I don't. 818 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,040 Sorry, Mark. 819 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,040 Continue. 820 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,040 Yeah, so we'll get back to nature. 821 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,040 We'll get back to nature, but also we're going to get back to you so you can continue plugging. 822 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,040 Oh, yeah. 823 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,040 So that's it. 824 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,440 Yeah, I've got five books out right now. 825 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,000 Four are published, ones about to be published. 826 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,940 I've got one that still is coming and then the one I'm working on right now. 827 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:14,880 But it's, yeah, when I first started writing it, it was going to be one book and now it's 828 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,840 turned into like a indefinite series that I've plotted out, but I'm hoping it's not 829 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,360 like, you know, like if you lay a tile floor and it's going pretty smoothly and then you 830 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,420 get to the last piece and you're like, oh, I screwed up way back there somewhere. I'm 831 00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:35,040 hoping it's not like that. So, you know, you don't, you want to make sure that there's 832 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:42,960 no plot holes or inconsistencies in the story. Exactly. So if, if more people check out the 833 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,160 books, feel free to send me any feedback on it on Instagram or the webpage or I am on 834 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:57,500 Twitter also. Um, both has Mark Traulinger and myths and malts. So, you know, reach out 835 00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:05,560 to me anyway and, um, give me any ideas or feedback. I think you should go Sam down clown. 836 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,680 Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like a great Halloween costume too. It does. I could do that. Oh, 837 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,600 Dave, you gotta go as Sam. Maybe else, maybe else. Maybe I'll say it out loud. I don't 838 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:24,720 know. Yeah, that'd be perfect. The second appearance of the Santel cloud. Uh, well, 839 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:30,040 all right, Mark, I want to thank you so much for, for joining us, uh, being a guest. Nick, 840 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,560 my sometimes cohost, I appreciate you coming on as well. Well, I, by coming on, I mean 841 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,240 forcing me to have you on because you wanted to hear this story. So much fun to hear this 842 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:45,440 I appreciate you guys having me too. Yeah. Really great. Come back anytime. And this 843 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,160 is fun. Yeah, Mark. It was a, it was great to great to finally meet you. Uh, I definitely 844 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,840 want to, I'm going to shoot you a message on Instagram because I want to pick your brain 845 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:59,000 a little bit more. Okay. Sounds good. Awesome. All right. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I 846 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,400 usually prefer to, uh, actually when I'm writing, I usually have a stout or an IPA with me. 847 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,720 It's the way to go. I tell my wife it's research. I need to drink these beers because it's research. 848 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,240 All right. Well, on that note, I just want to say thank you everyone. Uh, be sure to 849 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:20,240 follow us. Follow us on Instagram at cryptic cocktail. Follow us on Twitter. I have a Twitter. 850 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,800 I don't use it. Follow us on Twitter at, uh, cryptic cocktail. Follow me on TikTok at 851 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,160 cryptic cocktail party. It's really bad, but it's fun. Uh, if you want to support the show, 852 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,560 please do. There's a link in the episode description. You can donate a dollar, $5, a million dollars, 853 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,080 whatever you want to do. Uh, and with that, thank you, Mark. Thank you, Nick. Say bye 854 00:40:42,080 --> 00:41:08,160 everyone. Thanks. Bye. Have a good day.