1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,360 Oh hi! 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,360 If you're looking for another spooky and funny podcast to add to your rotation, check 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,320 out Anything Bones, now part of the Podmoth Network. 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,720 Hey Boneheads, I'm Sophie Schwartz. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,280 And I'm Caitlin Hart. 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,440 And we're the hosts of Anything Bones, the podcast where we talk about bones and bone-related 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,440 topics. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,800 So, what are bone-related topics? 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,880 Thank you for asking, Caitlin. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:41,600 This can be anything from mausoleums to murderers, famous skeletons to cadaver dogs, bone churches, 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,480 mummies, serial killers. 13 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:45,040 You'll hear about them 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00:01:53,120 Jack, thank you for letting me use your basement as I record this. 26 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Now just so the listeners know, you know Jack. 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,640 You didn't just show up to some random listener's house. 28 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,880 No, I kind of beat down the door and was like, hey, this is Nick from, you know, the sometimes 29 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,640 co-hosts of Cryptic Cocktail Party. 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,800 I need to use your basement and crash your daughter's first birthday party. 31 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Yeah, it was an emergency. 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,840 We had to get this done. 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,920 Yeah, a couple hundred miles away from Philadelphia. 34 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:17,920 I mean, whatever. 35 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,280 All right, man. 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,280 Well, you look good. 37 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,960 I'm glad you're out there celebrating. 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,640 I got, I know, my brain feels like it's going to explode. 39 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:27,800 Well, we're doing something different today. 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,520 Yeah, because your brain feels like it's going to explode. 41 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Why don't I, why don't I take the reins on this one? 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,000 Yeah, I like it when you take the reins. 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,480 That wasn't meant to sound sexual. 44 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,200 Well, we're, we're going to actually hop into a time travel in DeLorean today because we're 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,760 going all the way back to 1986. 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,120 So kind of around when, you know, you were born. 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Yeah, that's, that's, I was 87. 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,920 So, so I just ride my wheelhouse. 49 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:54,480 I'm pretty sure I was probably, you know. 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,520 You were actually probably the, you know, the being that's in subject, you know, it's 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,520 going to be talked about today. 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,720 So to, we're back in 1986. 53 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,800 We're in Houston, Texas, right? 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,320 Now when you think of Texas, right? 55 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,320 All right. 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:14,240 When I think of Texas, what do you think of? 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Alex Jones, the Alamo, Foxy, I don't know. 58 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,040 Armadillo's. 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Are they in, are they in Texas? 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Cacti. 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,600 Yeah, those are, I'm pretty sure those are in Texas. 62 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Sam Houston. 63 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,600 Okay. 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:31,600 That was a guy, right? 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Yeah. 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Davy Crockett. 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,440 I don't know if he was from Texas, but I'm pretty sure he died in Texas. 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,440 Yeah. 69 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Pretty sure he died at the Alamo. 70 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,440 All right. 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:41,440 This bit's going on too long. 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,440 It was too long there. 73 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,080 So when you think of Texas, I mean, the first things I think of are, you know, the, the 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,320 scene from Pee Wee Herman, when they talk about everything's bigger is in Texas and 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,600 the line Houston, we have a problem, which takes place, you know, is actually at the 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,760 Johnson space center, which is where this story will be taking place. 77 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Okay. 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,760 Right. 79 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,360 So this, this entire story takes place for maybe five minutes. 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,000 The encounter is not even five minutes. 81 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000 How's this a whole episode? 82 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Oh, it is a whole episode. 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Don't you worry. 84 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,640 God damn. 85 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:09,640 All right. 86 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,920 So Johnson space, uh, Johnson space center is obviously run by America's governing body 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,120 of space exploration, NASA space. 88 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,680 It's actually where we get space, space exploration. 89 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,240 And that's where we get the term Houston. 90 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,240 We have a problem. 91 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,700 And in a undisclosed day in 1986, Houston did have a very big problem as there was a 92 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:44,040 literal gargoyle patrolling and sitting on top of the Houston. 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,280 Would you like to know about Frank Shaw's gargoyle? 94 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,880 Oh my God, dude. 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,040 I want to know everything about this gargoyle. 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Oh my God. 97 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,080 I was not expecting that. 98 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,480 So when I asked you the other day whether or not you wanted aliens or cryptids, I already 99 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,480 knew what we were doing. 100 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:08,760 I just wanted to know what you, what you wanted to do because this story has both. 101 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:09,760 Okay. 102 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,760 All right. 103 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,240 Is it, so is it a cryptid? 104 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,280 Is it both in one? 105 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:15,720 Like is the, is the gargoyle an alien? 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,720 We'll get to that. 107 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Okay. 108 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,720 It's a little, it's a little fuzzy, but we'll get to it. 109 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,720 I'll try it. 110 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,720 I'll try not to interrupt so much. 111 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,440 I'm going to have so many questions. 112 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,440 Oh, good. 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,440 Oh, it's, it's fantastic. 114 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Um, the main in County or the main person who, you know, experienced this was a archivist 115 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,720 named Frank Shaw. 116 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Frank had worked, you know, was one of those guys that would frequently work, you know, 117 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,520 burn them in that oil was there working on whatever undisclosed NASA projects that were 118 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,340 going on in 1986. 119 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:42,520 Probably some, probably some cold war stuff. 120 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Who knows? 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,360 Uh, and one night he gets out a little bit later than normal, uh, and as he was leaving 122 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,520 the building, he immediately realized and felt that someone was watching him. 123 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,520 Right. 124 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,560 And he looked around and he sees no one in the parking lot, not a soul, you know, it's 125 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,080 besides the streetlights is really nothing going on. 126 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,680 And as he's looking around, he starts to get this, the notion that he should probably, 127 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,600 I don't know, look up on, you know, just, just take a, take a peek into this guy's. 128 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:14,400 So he looks up and on top of one of the buildings on the center or in the, in the lot, there 129 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:20,520 was a tall humanoid figure jet black, like just jet black humanoid figure. 130 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Yeah. 131 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,280 Uh, and Sean immediately was just frozen in fear. 132 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,280 Right. 133 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:27,280 Yeah. 134 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,840 There's, there's, there's nothing worse than getting, having the feeling that someone is 135 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:31,080 watching you. 136 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,760 And then I feel like it's even fucking more terrifying when you realize it's a giant black 137 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,640 humanoid figure standing on top of a building. 138 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,720 Like I would be paralyzed with fear too. 139 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,880 There's no way I would just, oh yeah, that's normal. 140 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:41,880 All right. 141 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:42,880 So Sean described. 142 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Okay. 143 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Bye. 144 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Okay. 145 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Bye. 146 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,880 I'm just hanging out. 147 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Don't worry about me. 148 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,880 Yeah. 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:57,200 So Sean described it as a, about seven to eight feet tall, you know, as most of these cryptids 150 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,240 or one-off cryptids are too big, uh, jet black. 151 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,080 And he referred to it as almost having like a cape, right? 152 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,160 But the cape instead of being fabric was almost like wrinkly flesh, right? 153 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,160 So just kind of imagine like, yeah. 154 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,120 It gets so much worse. 155 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Oh God. 156 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,360 So Sean now frozen in fear, uh, is it's not an ideal. 157 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Oh, it gets so much weirder. 158 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Uh, Sean now frozen in fear. 159 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:30,600 It gets the feeling that, you know, this gargoyle as he called it was getting off on the fact 160 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,320 that he, you know, the gargoyle knew that Frank was terrified. 161 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,080 Getting off is the wrong term, but you know, he was enjoying the fact that Frank was terrified. 162 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,640 Well, it's kind of like shadow people are like, I like the hat man. 163 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Like they don't, they don't get off on your fear, but it kind of like feeds them almost 164 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,800 like a, they, yeah, they revel in it. 165 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Like a psychic, like they're getting hyped up. 166 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,520 Like it gets them like pumps. 167 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,520 Right. 168 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:52,520 Yeah. 169 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:53,520 Which is fucking terrifying. 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Well, my, um, yeah, I mean, it might not terrifying to them, but terrifying to us. 171 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Uh, so multiple people have kind of related this or described this almost to be like Jeepers 172 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,680 Creepers. 173 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,960 Oh, it's like super wrinkly, you know, that type of thing. 174 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,240 And then it's not ideal. 175 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,240 It's not ideal in the slightest. 176 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,240 It didn't, it didn't. 177 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,440 Um, director, like a fucking, like, uh, I think he's like a pedo. 178 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,440 Yeah. 179 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,440 He's not a good guy. 180 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,440 I did. 181 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Yeah. 182 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,440 That's what I thought. 183 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,440 All right. 184 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Sorry. 185 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,440 I continue. 186 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,880 Um, so Shaw sits there for about, you know, a minute just being terrified. 187 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:36,160 And then he is instantly like breaks as he describes, described it as a stupor, how he 188 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:42,160 had time to rip a few beers and get hammered is beyond me, but he referred to it as a stupor. 189 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,240 Um, because the creature started to move. 190 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,080 It was making like a cracking noise, almost like you would hear with concrete, like breaking 191 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:55,440 and stuff like that to reveal two giant leathery bat wings, just like protrude out of the skin 192 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,440 cape. 193 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:02,080 I hate, cause there's nothing more visceral, like when you're watching like a horror movie 194 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,400 or like something like that, where like someone's turning into a werewolf and all you hear is 195 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,400 like bones and flesh cracking. 196 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,760 I fucking hate it. 197 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,520 I mean, I love it, but I fuck like if I, if that ever happened to me in real life, I'd 198 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,600 probably just end it. 199 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,280 I think, like, oh yeah, you can die from literal fear, right? 200 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,080 I feel like that's something like my heart would explode. 201 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,600 I think if it was either of us in this situation, we would both pretty much die. 202 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,600 It would break my mind. 203 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,600 I'd be broken. 204 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:27,600 Yeah. 205 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,600 I would crack just in half. 206 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Just physically just snap it. 207 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Just physically just snap in half and then pull the old switch. 208 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,480 My body breaks in half. 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,600 And then the sound of your flesh and bones cracking would just make it worse. 210 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,640 You just fold into yourself so hard. 211 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,640 You become so dense. 212 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,040 You just turn into like a black hole. 213 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Like the density of a dying sun just turns into you. 214 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,600 Everything dies around you. 215 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,560 The gargoyle does around you. 216 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:57,960 So Frank then beeline from the building that he was in into his car. 217 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,640 And as he was doing that, he fumbled his keys literally in front of his car. 218 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 So this is a traditional form. 219 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Exactly. 220 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,600 And he looked back only once to notice that the creature was, you know, blasting off like 221 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,500 flap in its wings, powerful wind, you know, we're being around it. 222 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:16,840 You can hear the wind and the gusts. 223 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Yeah, exactly. 224 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,940 Right. 225 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:26,160 So he finally rips his car door open, dives into the car. 226 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Yeah, just dives into his car, drives back, you know, how he didn't get a speeding ticket 227 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,480 is beyond me because, you know, Texas drove back to where? 228 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Home. 229 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Home. 230 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,080 How do you just go home after that? 231 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,080 I have no idea. 232 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,080 But he beeline to his house. 233 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,080 I guess. 234 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,080 I guess home is like safe. 235 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,960 Like it's like, it's like when you play to hide and seek or like tag, you look at base, 236 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,960 like, right. 237 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:48,960 Yeah, like that's it's home base. 238 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:49,960 Yeah. 239 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,960 Nothing to get in here. 240 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:51,960 You're just going to turn your head, turn the lights off. 241 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Yeah, you're safe. 242 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,960 Right. 243 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,960 I still have that mentality to this day. 244 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Oh yeah, you and me both. 245 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 You and me both. 246 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,080 I like I if anything ever happens, I know where I'm going in my house to feel the most 247 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,080 safe. 248 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,080 It's great. 249 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,080 It's called the plan of action. 250 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,080 Yeah. 251 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,080 Is it the smartest? 252 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Probably not. 253 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,080 Will I still get murdered? 254 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,080 Probably yes. 255 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,080 Oh, 100 percent. 256 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,640 So he gets home. 257 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,640 He goes inside. 258 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,120 His family immediately knows that something happened. 259 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,680 He's there like, yeah, he probably looks like fucking hell. 260 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,440 Like he saw death. 261 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,440 Yeah. 262 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,200 So he gathers himself as much as he could and he tells his family what he sees. 263 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,440 He tells his wife and his young daughter Desiree, who will come into the story later on. 264 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,440 Oh no, Desiree. 265 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,440 Oh, Desiree. 266 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,440 Oh no. 267 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,440 She's fine, right? 268 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,440 She's she's fine. 269 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,960 Yeah, no one no one dies. 270 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:43,960 No one dies. 271 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Just years of therapy. 272 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,760 No human dies. 273 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,760 We'll get to that in a minute. 274 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:50,760 No. 275 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:51,760 Oh, yeah. 276 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,440 You're going to might want to take a swig of a beer in about a couple of minutes. 277 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,240 So he tells he tells his family what he saw. 278 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,680 Now, her Desiree has described her father as a pretty straight shooter. 279 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,080 She says something, you know, for the most part, it's pretty spot on. 280 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,000 So they immediately believe him. 281 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Right. 282 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,960 But because he does work for NASA and he's an archivist, they know they probably they 283 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,960 know Jim. 284 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,800 Hey, you might not want to work about this because they're going to think you're crazy 285 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,720 and your credibility is going to be shot to shit. 286 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,200 But I mean, it's also it's NASA in the 80s. 287 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,320 They don't they don't have cameras kicking around. 288 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,320 You would think so. 289 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,320 You yeah. 290 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,360 Like especially like a highly classified classified, but I'm sure a lot of stuff there is like 291 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:34,640 it's probably very well fortified. 292 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,760 You can't just wander on to like, oh, exactly. 293 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,760 It's technically it'd be, you know, it's government property. 294 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Yeah. 295 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,920 You can't you can't walk around. 296 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:42,920 Yes. 297 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:43,920 You tell me. 298 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,760 So I feel like he should tell someone, I guess, if they don't have any way to like, like, 299 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,880 he would sound crazy because this is this is insane. 300 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Right. 301 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:51,880 All right. 302 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,880 Right. 303 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,440 It's like peak peak 80s, you know, Cronenberg's on the movies, you know, you know, all that 304 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:57,440 stuff. 305 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,440 It's a panic panic. 306 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 It's exactly there's a lot going on. 307 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,840 Too much for little Frank Shaw's brain to comprehend. 308 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,640 Now after a couple of weeks of, you know, sleepless nights and just a couple of weeks, 309 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,700 a couple of weeks, so it's on a couple of weeks. 310 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:13,700 He doesn't tell anybody. 311 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:17,400 So he saw this and then just like kept going back to work and like just. 312 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Oh, yeah. 313 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,560 Vibing for a couple of weeks without saying a word to anyone like a week or two, maybe 314 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:23,560 not like three or four, but like maybe one or two. 315 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,080 That's still too long. 316 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,800 And we'll get to, you know, why time is a little, you know, hazy. 317 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,880 I'm like in between events in a minute. 318 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,360 So he finally realized it comes to a sense as well. 319 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,040 This is a, you know, it's government property. 320 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,440 There's a lot of sensitive projects going on here. 321 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,320 I should probably tell somebody. 322 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,320 Yeah. 323 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,840 So he goes to his immediate supervisor. 324 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,880 I don't know if I would go, I don't know if I would go immediate supervisor. 325 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:53,600 I'd go to the mail room first and kind of like test the waters, do what they think. 326 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,680 And then if they think I'm insane, be like, I don't. 327 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,200 Well, luckily enough, his immediate supervisor and him were, you know, they were friends. 328 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,720 They'd been there for quite a long time after his story is done. 329 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,800 You know, Frank is immediately thinking, well, here I go. 330 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,920 I'm being going to be thrown into a padded room. 331 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,240 My career as a NASA archivist is over. 332 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,600 To his shock, his supervisor, you know, it was like, you know, you're really not the 333 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,560 first person to tell us that. 334 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:18,560 Oh no. 335 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:19,560 Right. 336 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,280 I need you to go into detail with me on what happened. 337 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,680 So Frank, you know, kind of breaks everything down, breaks, you know, goes back in an extreme 338 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,520 detail of everything he can remember. 339 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,020 And his supervisor to, you know, to try and console him, tells him that a secret file 340 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:34,240 was actually opened. 341 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:40,160 Not too far in the past because two of the sweet baby German shepherds that were guard 342 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:47,040 dogs on base were brutally murdered and stuck dry like the Chupacabra. 343 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,680 No, similar to the Chupacabra murders. 344 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Wait, hold on. 345 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:56,440 First of all, were two German shepherds all of NASA's security plan? 346 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,760 For that specific building, they had them like roaming that area. 347 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,600 But still, I still feel that's like a little, little. 348 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:04,600 They need to have at least six. 349 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:05,600 A little lackluster. 350 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,440 Or just some people with guns or. 351 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,320 Well, to from all accounts, you know, there was never any specific attacks on purpose 352 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,640 or on people. 353 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Right. 354 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,400 So Frank instantly is like, OK, well, I'm not crazy. 355 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,400 Perfect. 356 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 However, his story makes it up all the way up to top of the line. 357 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Yeah. 358 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Like people in D.C., you know, NASA, D.C. is like, absolutely not. 359 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,600 We have to put a squash to this. 360 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:43,280 So they send out two eight supposed to supposed NASA, NASA, NASA agents to, you know, interview 361 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,600 everybody and anybody that has seen it. 362 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,640 I've seen the gargoyle. 363 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:49,860 Right. 364 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:51,680 And it's not like a good interview. 365 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,560 It's you know, it's like an interrogation. 366 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Basically, they pretty much sent the men in black on them. 367 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Hell yeah. 368 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,200 That's what I like to hear. 369 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Exactly. 370 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Fucking love the men in black. 371 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,120 I know they're terrifying and I'm pretty sure they're not human. 372 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,920 But still exactly. 373 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,200 Which is funny that you say that because the again, supposed agents want to go visit the 374 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,200 Shaw family. 375 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,200 OK. 376 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Right. 377 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:19,040 And they questioned Frank, his wife and his young daughter, Desiree. 378 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,880 And afterwards, and this went on for a few hours, they pulled Frank aside and essentially 379 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:32,080 told Frank that if he wanted to keep his family safe, he is never to talk about this again. 380 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Now, that's true. 381 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,040 Men in black fashion. 382 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Exactly. 383 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,760 I love how they treat this like the same way that do you. 384 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Did you hear anything about that? 385 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,320 Hasbro sending the Pinkerton's to some dude who received the wrong magic, the gathering 386 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,320 set. 387 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,320 Yeah. 388 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,320 OK. 389 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,760 For some reason, my head, I'm just like, this reminds me so much of that for some reason. 390 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:55,760 This is so off topic. 391 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,400 But anyways, continue. 392 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,160 So Frank terrified being that he is a government employee and he works, you know, he's not 393 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,360 like he's just a drone at NASA. 394 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:05,360 He's an architect. 395 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:06,360 He works in the archives. 396 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:12,000 So he knows, you know, pretty much all of I'm assuming, you know, he knows a lot of 397 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,200 the you know, the black water stuff has a lot of its privilige on her information that 398 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,920 most people wouldn't have their hands in and out. 399 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,880 He probably knows a little bit more than the average average desk jockey there. 400 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,880 Exactly. 401 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,320 So Frank doesn't say a word of this when people ask him about it. 402 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,120 He apparently would like turn it away. 403 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:36,120 Wouldn't say, well, yeah, dude, you just had two fucking aliens threaten his family and 404 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,520 his life like I would be quiet, too. 405 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,320 But at the same time, also, I probably wouldn't. 406 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,200 I can't stop talking about shit that I probably shouldn't talk about all the time. 407 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,920 It's got me in trouble more than once. 408 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:46,920 Well, yeah. 409 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,920 And it's also like mid to late 80s. 410 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,800 There's a lot of shit going on with like, you know, just the government as a whole. 411 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:54,800 Everyone's going fucking crazy. 412 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Terrorism is on the rise. 413 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,920 You know, like he doesn't want to be charged with treason. 414 00:17:58,920 --> 00:17:59,920 Fair. 415 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:00,920 Right. 416 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,200 So he doesn't say anything. 417 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Right. 418 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,360 Or 18 years. 419 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,560 Not a word doesn't say anything. 420 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,240 But his daughter was like, no, fuck this. 421 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,080 I'm not like not letting this go. 422 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,200 This is a great story. 423 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,080 Like my dad clearly saw something. 424 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,080 Yeah. 425 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,280 So she's going to be like in her 20s at this point, right? 426 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Yeah. 427 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,280 So 1986. 428 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,360 And we whip out the old with the old calculator here. 429 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:28,080 Do you know how old was she in 1986? 430 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,200 Well, it was 2004 when she gave the interview. 431 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,200 Yeah. 432 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Who did she give the interview to? 433 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,200 Was it George Norrie? 434 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,680 Please tell me it was fucking George Norrie. 435 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,960 No, I think it was Nick Redford. 436 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,960 Oh, it's not forever. 437 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,680 Not at school. 438 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,680 Yeah. 439 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,000 We all know how you feel about Nick Redford. 440 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 I don't mind. 441 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 I don't mind. 442 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 I don't mind Nick Redford. 443 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 It's fucking the other guy. 444 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,800 Nick Pope or whatever his name is. 445 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Oh, yeah. 446 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Yeah. 447 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:53,800 I fucking hate that guy. 448 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,480 And that's that's pretty much all we know about, you know, the gargoyle. 449 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,480 Right. 450 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,200 It's from the daughter's retelling of the story. 451 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Right. 452 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,200 It's from the daughter's retelling the story. 453 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Now it's unclear whether or not Frank Shaw is dead. 454 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,480 I would love to know everyone else's encounter. 455 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,480 Right. 456 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,480 I mean, there's a whole file. 457 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,480 Right. 458 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:13,480 So it's not like it's one or two people. 459 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,480 Right. 460 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,480 And the fact that two dogs were killed. 461 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,600 Like, yeah, there's a lot a lot to be said about this. 462 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Right. 463 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Now, my immediate first thought was this isn't the first time that we've seen, like, cryptids 464 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:29,000 around bases or alien activity and like UFO activity around bases. 465 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,280 I mean, the renders from forest with UFOs. 466 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Yeah. 467 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,360 You know, the whole theory. 468 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:38,600 I never heard of a fucking fleshy winged gargoyle. 469 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,800 Yeah, dude. 470 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,160 Like, what is that? 471 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,800 It has Mothman vibes a little bit. 472 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,800 It has Mothman vibes. 473 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,600 It has Owlman of Cornwall vibes. 474 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,960 There's a lot of like things that I wish we had more details on, but it is a very cool, 475 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:01,000 like one off cryptid because of the fact that like, you know, it's not like it's just, you 476 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,720 know, like Sam the Sanddown Clan. 477 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,720 It's not like two kids. 478 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,720 It's a NASA archivist. 479 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Yeah. 480 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,440 I mean, like it's this guy's got some credibility. 481 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,440 He says it's no explains why he didn't why he didn't say anything for 18 years after, 482 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,480 you know, Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith and the less jiggy kind or jiggy with it kind 483 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,120 came to come visit him. 484 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,200 But it's a cool story. 485 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,040 I think that it's, you know, I don't know. 486 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,400 Actually, Dave, I would like to know what you think about it. 487 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,400 Give me your thoughts. 488 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,400 Questions. 489 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,400 All right. 490 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,400 So, all right. 491 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,640 I don't even know where to begin. 492 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:34,640 It's all bad. 493 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,120 So it was it was just a very short sighting. 494 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:39,480 But it has all the best elements. 495 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,600 It has weird fleshy creatures. 496 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,680 It's got men in black, which I love. 497 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,720 It's got threatening small children. 498 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Also big fan. 499 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,640 Now, does Texas have those flying fox bats? 500 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,640 Is that like a thing? 501 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,640 Could have been like, is there any animal that it could be? 502 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,720 Was it a harpy eagle or something like that? 503 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,320 Well, I know that like Texas isn't a huge bat country to begin with. 504 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,320 Yeah. 505 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,440 If you go to like Austin, like you'll literally see, you know, uncertain bridges, you'll legitimately 506 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:18,120 see like just hundreds of bats just swarm around you like that scene of Dark Knight 507 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,840 where Christian Bale goes to the cave. 508 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,920 You know, I don't know. 509 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,000 I don't know what to think, man. 510 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 It's weird. 511 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 It's weird as fuck. 512 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Yeah, it's it's bizarre. 513 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,680 I don't I don't I don't know what I would do. 514 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,640 I would I would cry. 515 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,640 It's super bizarre. 516 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,680 I mean, the fact that like it takes place in like a very well known NASA base is huge. 517 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,680 Yeah. 518 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,680 And I did look it up. 519 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,360 Metazoo does have a Frank Shaw, Frank Shaw gargoyle card. 520 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:46,360 Do they really? 521 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,360 I kind of want it. 522 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,360 Yeah, that's great. 523 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:49,360 That's fucking hilarious. 524 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:50,360 It is great. 525 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:51,360 I never heard. 526 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,360 I had never heard of this before. 527 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,480 Yeah, I like I've been trying to do as much research as I can. 528 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:01,760 I really wish there was like more, you know, to go off of, but it's just such a short and 529 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,680 obscure story. 530 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,960 Maybe we can maybe we'll try and do some more research and see if we can do like a follow 531 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,120 up episode, because I feel like this is just the beginning. 532 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,080 I feel like like the story is just like a taste of something bigger. 533 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,080 You know what I mean? 534 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,680 Like there has to be more to this story out there. 535 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,320 There's no way that it's just this dude saw something and then 18 years later, his daughter 536 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,320 told the story. 537 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,320 You know what I mean? 538 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,320 There's there's a whole span in between or also even further back considering that they 539 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000 had a file of other people who saw his story. 540 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 He can't be the only one. 541 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 That's what I'm saying. 542 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,920 I mean, I wonder if like with all of this kind of segue, you know, single UFO alien 543 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,200 stuff in here. 544 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,160 I mean, I wonder with all the disclosure that we've been getting with, you know, UFOs and 545 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,920 things like that, like, will we ever get, you know? 546 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Well, I don't know if they would ever disclose things that happened. 547 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:57,160 Like on government property, I feel like that'd be too like, you know, I mean, like all like 548 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,440 all those sightings of UFOs that are that were like fucking with like the nuclear consoles 549 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,440 and stuff like that. 550 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,360 Like, I don't think the government should have told us that it was like people who worked 551 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:08,360 there. 552 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,960 Like, I don't think the government like, oh, yeah, this one time, a bunch of UFOs. 553 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,960 Yeah, like that. 554 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,080 So I feel like they wouldn't tell us about something that happened directly on a base. 555 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,200 But I mean, they'll definitely release footage of like something going in and out of the 556 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,000 water near a ship. 557 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,000 You know what I mean? 558 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Yeah. 559 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 I don't know. 560 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,560 I mean, I think that it's like I'm sorry, it was Nick Redford, not Redford. 561 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080 Redford in 2006 is when she gave the interview. 562 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,560 Isn't Nick Redford an actor? 563 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Am I thinking of someone else? 564 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Yeah. 565 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Yeah. 566 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,560 I was thinking I get the good views. 567 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Nick Redford. 568 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,560 Well, as long as it wasn't fucking Nick Pope, then I don't give a fuck. 569 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Well, yeah. 570 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,960 I mean, I think you're right. 571 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:52,280 My what makes it even more like curious to me is the fact that no one else is like, yeah, 572 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,280 here's my story. 573 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Nick Redford and like, enjoy. 574 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Maybe they were all scared. 575 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,080 I mean, the fact that two of them did come to the base from like, hey, you can't talk 576 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,880 about this or we'll kill you and your wife. 577 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,880 Yeah. 578 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,880 But I mean, people have been in black, do that shit all the time. 579 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,880 People still talk about it. 580 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,320 And then as far as I know, they're not dead. 581 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Maybe. 582 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Maybe. 583 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,120 If if she told the story of her father, you would think that someone would have seen that 584 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,880 and been like, oh, well, I have my own story. 585 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:23,000 If she's talking about it and she hasn't gotten brutally murdered by two six foot tall extraterrestrials, 586 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,240 maybe I'm safe to talk about it. 587 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,240 I mean, yeah. 588 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,000 I mean, I think the fact that like, you know, her dad didn't talk about it kind of put the, 589 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,520 you know, the fear of God into her. 590 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Right. 591 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,960 It also doesn't say like how old Desiree was when she gave the interview. 592 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,320 She could have been like old as dirt. 593 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,680 There's no way unless she was like already like 40 in the 80s. 594 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:42,680 Right. 595 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,680 Or she could have been 20 in the 80s. 596 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,960 Yeah, that's so nice. 597 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,960 She's like 50. 598 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,960 That's not old as dirt. 599 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,960 60. 600 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,680 I mean, and the men in black, what would it do to kill a 50 year old woman? 601 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,280 Probably has parts of the story wrong. 602 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,280 Maybe. 603 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 I don't know. 604 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,440 I mean, I think that my thing is this is like the fact that it does nail pretty much everything. 605 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,440 Right. 606 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320 It has like the fact that there were apparent multiple sightings of it. 607 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,800 Animal immunizations, men in black, a government cover up. 608 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,880 Yeah. 609 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,560 I think this is I think this should be a to be continued and then to be continued. 610 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,200 We won't do a full episode if we can't find a but we'll definitely give an update if we 611 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,800 could find more information because this is a good story. 612 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:24,800 I do like it. 613 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,800 I do like it a lot. 614 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:33,120 I was not expecting a disgusting flesh gargoyle, but I'm happy that it happens. 615 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,960 It is soon as I heard that I paused the podcast and I was listening about it, like it's just 616 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,960 cheaper creepers. 617 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,680 Like it just sounds like cheaper creepers and I wonder if the guy that like, you know, 618 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,560 wrote that movie and like came up with the moral correction. 619 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,000 The guy that came up with the creature design didn't know about this because it sounds just 620 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,800 like how creepers wings come out of his body. 621 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,040 So such a fucking gross. 622 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,160 I hate the sound of squelching flesh. 623 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,160 He almost referred. 624 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,360 He referred to that's like dried paper cracking. 625 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,160 Oh, it's worse. 626 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,240 I don't know why, but that's so much worse. 627 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,480 It's so much worse. 628 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,480 It's so much worse. 629 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,280 But yeah, Dave, that's the that is the Frank Shaw gargoyle. 630 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,280 Gargoyle. 631 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Oh yeah. 632 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,400 Not a fan, but I'm like, but I'm a big fan, but I'm not a fan. 633 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,400 Love the story. 634 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,680 Hate the creature kind of thing going on. 635 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:25,680 It's like love the game. 636 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,680 Hate the players. 637 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,680 Very much like that. 638 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,680 Yeah, exactly. 639 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Exactly. 640 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,480 Well, thanks so much for sharing the story. 641 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,760 I'll look into I'll try and do some digging on it too. 642 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,520 We'll both try and continue in our investigation into the phrase. 643 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,520 For sure. 644 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,520 For sure. 645 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Well, what do we got? 646 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,840 We got a we got Skunk Squonker Belusa coming out. 647 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,200 Squonker Blue is coming up in August. 648 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,760 That's going to be a ton of fun. 649 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,000 We got you follow us on Instagram at Cryptic Cocktail. 650 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000 Follow us on Twitter at Cryptic Cocktail. 651 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,160 Follow us on Twitter at Cryptic Cocktail. 652 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,160 Not Twitter. 653 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,000 It's Jesus Christ. Follow us on Instagram. 654 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,240 Tick.Tock. 655 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:12,560 And if you want to donate to the show, there is a link in the episode description. 656 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,420 But besides that, I don't got anything else to plug. 657 00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:15,420 What about you, Nick? 658 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:16,640 You still kicking around doing dad cast? 659 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,760 You got new episodes coming out of that or what? 660 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,400 Yeah, we've got some new episodes coming out. 661 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,280 Mike and I recorded one the other night. 662 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,560 We're trying to figure it out. 663 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,240 I'm taking the show in a new direction, but we're we're working away. 664 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,240 And yeah, that's pretty much it. 665 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,500 Hell yeah 666 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:37,160 All right. Well, thank you so much everyone and with that Nick say goodbye. I'll say goodbye. Bye 667 00:27:37,160 --> 00:28:03,160 Goodbye