1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,880 Find other great podcasts like this one at podmoth.network. 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,600 Do you love unraveling a good old fashioned whodunit? 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Oh honey, me too. 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,880 I'm Alisha, armchair detective and host of Dead on a True Crime podcast. 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,480 Join me every Friday. 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:37,160 We'll dive into a case that scratches your itch for true crime, dark history and mystery. 7 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:57,840 Streaming now everywhere you love to listen. 8 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:14,760 Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we 9 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,280 have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 10 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,040 I'm your host Dave and I'm joined once again by the beautiful bearded Jamie Hurley. 11 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,040 How's it going buddy? 12 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Oh, you're too kind to me. 13 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,600 I'm doing all right, brother. 14 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,240 You know, you, you, you look just as good as the last time I saw you. 15 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,240 So you know, 16 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,200 I think I actually trimmed up my beard since the last time I saw her. 17 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,200 Allie did it for me. 18 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,560 Like she had to groom a German shepherd or something like that. 19 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Because I basically look like a feral animal. 20 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,240 She had to get all the loose hair out for your summer coats. 21 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,720 That way you're not. 22 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Yeah, exactly. 23 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,040 That's what I know. 24 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,240 She really has to, because I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with long hair. 25 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:02,120 So just like, you know, I think it's learning mostly just don't wash it every day and then 26 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,760 cut the dead ends off. 27 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,400 I think that's really all it is. 28 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,840 But your hair is also super curly. 29 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:10,840 So I don't know. 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Oh yeah. 31 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,760 I get the, the sideburn curls from the, 32 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,880 Oh, like, like a, like a, like a Hasidic Jews have in like, yeah, the Hasidic Jews have 33 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:20,960 that they can't do that. 34 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,600 It's like my whole head of hair, like 30 minutes after a shower. 35 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:34,320 So it's like, I got time to try to make that appearance work for something. 36 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,120 That's very, you have a very limited window to present yourself. 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,120 Yeah. 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,760 The humidity up here is just like, you know, walking, walking into a wet fart. 39 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,240 I'm like, why are, why are all these long haired people concerned about humidity? 40 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,200 And then you figured it out now being one of them. 41 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Like, okay. 42 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Yep. 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,200 I get it. 44 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Well, you can't have those, those flyaways, you know, you got to look on point. 45 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,200 All the time. 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,200 Yeah. 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:03,320 I want to punch myself in the face every time I'm riding in a car with the windows down 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,640 and I don't have like a hair tie. 49 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,400 Like my hair's up in a hair clip. 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,880 You could, I, I use the clips like a sumo wrestler, you know, like it almost goes over the top. 51 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,360 You always see like a top knot thing going on. 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,360 It looks good. 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,740 You wear it well. 54 00:03:17,740 --> 00:03:24,560 It's like, you know, who's the guy from street fighter fucking, uh, E Honda. 55 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Yeah, there you go. 56 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,040 My favorite character to play. 57 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Is it? 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,280 Yeah, that was, I made money off of E Honda. 59 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,280 It's damn. 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,280 All right. 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,280 So Jamie, I remember I texted you yesterday to record this episode and the last time you 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,960 were on, I believe we talked about the hat man, which was kind of not really anything. 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,960 I mean, it's something, but it's not like, it's not like a tangible cryptid or something 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:49,960 like that. 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,600 And I told you, and I told you that today we're going to be talking about good old warm 66 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:59,680 blooded salt of the earth, American cryptids. 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,680 I love it. 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,680 I lied. 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,680 You tricked me. 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,680 You tricked me, huh? 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Yeah. 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,960 So this episode is about, uh, I don't even, I don't even know. 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,960 I don't know. 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,960 I don't know what this episode is about. 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,200 I was going to do, right. 76 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,240 So to be fair, I was going to do it on the Murphy's Murphy's burrow mud monster, which 77 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,960 is also a, what some people call an abominable swamp slob. 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,960 It's great. 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,280 Great band name, by the way, abominable swamp slob. 80 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,760 Yeah, it's phenomenal. 81 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,800 But I, but I was scrolling through Instagram and like four other cryptid podcasts are going 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,960 to are doing the Murphy's burrow mud monster. 83 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,880 So it's like, I'm not going to, I don't want to, I don't want to do that. 84 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 So I'm going to, I shelved it. 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,200 I could take a curve ball. 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Yeah. 87 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,000 I, I shelved it and I was like, this is what we're going to do. 88 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,480 And the good thing about it is that this takes place in a region that you are very, very, 89 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,000 very familiar with. 90 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,680 Oh, do you know what that region would be? 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,600 I'm guessing Exeter maybe. 92 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,000 No, it takes place in the white mountains of New Hampshire. 93 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,480 Oh, okay. 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,680 I thought it was going to be, everyone knows about the Exeter like alien supposed abduction. 95 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,480 No, no, no, this is not about that. 96 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:19,080 This is not, this is not anything that I, again, I don't know what this episode is about, 97 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,000 but at least it takes place in a place that both you and I are familiar with you living 98 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,360 in New Hampshire currently and me being from New Hampshire previously, if that makes sense. 99 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,040 And yeah, and we've both lived here. 100 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:37,400 I mean, other than for about six years, I've lived here for three decades. 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,200 And besides me being in Philly for about six years, I also lived there for about three 102 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,200 decades. 103 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Yeah. 104 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,200 We're on the same page. 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,200 We're basically New Hampshire experts. 106 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,200 You ask us anything, we got it. 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,400 We've explored the woods and the sketchy spots. 108 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,400 We've had, yeah. 109 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:53,400 All right. 110 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,680 So you want to just, I don't know, you want to just dive right in again. 111 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:57,680 I don't know. 112 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,160 You ever, you ever heard of an incident called the Mount Washington incident? 113 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,160 I have not. 114 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,160 Okay. 115 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:11,000 I know a lot of bad shit happens up at Mount Washington, like bad shit happens in Philly. 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Yeah. 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 I don't know if you want to call this an incident though. 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,760 I don't know how to describe, I, titling this episode is going to be a nightmare for people 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:20,760 to try and find it. 120 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Let's just put it that way. 121 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,920 But fair enough for all of you listening who don't know New Hampshire, the white mountains 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:34,220 or Mount Washington in general, I did basically most of this episode is going to be information 123 00:06:34,220 --> 00:06:38,320 about Mount Washington and then we'll get into a story. 124 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,880 So Jamie, you've already heard this before, but for the listeners, why don't we just dive 125 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,680 right in with this. 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Mount Washington is located in Coos County, New Hampshire is the highest peak in the Northeast 127 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:55,360 United States sitting high at 6,288 feet and is known for its wildly erratic weather. 128 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,480 It once held the world record for highest winds recorded at 231 miles per hour from 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:08,560 the years 1934 until 1996, but still holds the world record for the highest winds not 130 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,520 associated with a tornado or a cyclone. 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:13,520 So there's that. 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,520 We still got one. 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,280 We still got one record, baby. 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,840 That just happened last year, I think, right? 135 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,480 This past winter, the highest winds not associated with a tornado or a cyclone. 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Yeah. 137 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,000 Didn't that just happen last winter? 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,120 I don't know when it happened. 139 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:35,960 I could have been, it was a, it, weather's been strange, but there was, I saw a lot of 140 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,360 a, that has been strange. 141 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,360 That's true. 142 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:46,880 I saw a lot of stuff coming out of Mount Washington with like roads collapsing and the high, the 143 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,400 crazy high winds where it almost ripped off their like observatory or whatever you call 144 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,400 it. 145 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,400 Jesus Christ. 146 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,400 Really? 147 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,400 Yeah. 148 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:03,280 I think it, with the wind chill, it was hitting like minus, I don't know, a hundred plus easily. 149 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Yeah. 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,720 So, so basically just right where you want to be. 151 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Yeah. 152 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,040 Don't, don't go climb there. 153 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:16,560 If you've never like hiked up a hill before, please don't come to New Hampshire if you're 154 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,800 not familiar with hiking up any mountains. 155 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,960 Cause the rescues that have been happening lately are constant. 156 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:30,440 Well, it's funny you should say that because Mount Washington is visited yearly by many 157 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,560 hikers because it is also, it is also technically part of the Appalachian trail. 158 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:40,000 But if you're not the outdoorsy type, you can drive up the summit and get yourself one 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 of those cool, this car climbed Mount Washington stickers. 160 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,440 I can't stand those. 161 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,760 I can't stand it. 162 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,960 It's like, oh, good for you. 163 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,500 It's like, I'll get a bumper sticker that says I sat in Boston traffic for two hours 164 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:53,500 today. 165 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:54,500 Not going to lie. 166 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:55,500 I would buy that fucking sticker. 167 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:56,500 That's good. 168 00:08:56,500 --> 00:09:03,200 Now, Jamie, now we are, we are saying that you should, if you're inexperienced, don't 169 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,200 just go. 170 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,200 Don't, don't. 171 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,040 But you can definitely drive up, but there is also, that's on the East side, but on the 172 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,400 West side of the mountain, there is a train that also brings you up to the top. 173 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,400 I don't know. 174 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,600 I don't know if you can get a sticker that says this train climb Mount Washington, cause 175 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,600 that would be insane. 176 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,160 Maybe if you get a train. 177 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,760 I mean, if you just buy a train, there's some rich mookers out there. 178 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,720 Might have a train. 179 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,600 The train is also controlled by a Logitech controller. 180 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Definitely. 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:37,200 So the mountain does have breathtaking views, beautiful trails, and sits mostly in the White 182 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,640 Mountain National Forest, which if you haven't been to, I do highly suggest going to the 183 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,680 White Mountain Forest. 184 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:44,680 It's very pretty. 185 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,840 It's got a lot of good lakes, trails, hiking, things like that. 186 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 You can go camping there. 187 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,120 But what if I told you, Jamie, that Mount Washington may be home to something a little 188 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,940 more sinister? 189 00:09:55,940 --> 00:10:02,360 I hope it is, and I hope it scares the shit out of the tourists. 190 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Well, Coos County is home to the Woods Devil, but that's not what we're going to be talking 191 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,520 about today. 192 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,280 The Woods Devil is just a skinny bigfoot, if you're wondering what else. 193 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,960 That's all it is. 194 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:19,600 So yeah, whatever scares off the tourists, you know, from coming up from everywhere, 195 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,520 because I mean, not trying to sound like that guy. 196 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,480 So along the trails through the White Mountains and leading to the summit of Mount Washington, 197 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,760 the Appalachian Mountain Club, which is the oldest outdoor group in the United States, 198 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,920 being formed in 1876 to help explore and preserve the White Mountains, but it eventually expanded 199 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:45,480 across the Northeast from Maine to D.C. and now sports over 275,000 members. 200 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:50,980 They've set up what are now known as high huts with a total of eight of these huts across 201 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:52,280 the White Mountains. 202 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:59,120 These huts offer shelter and bedding for overnight hikers, warm cooked meals made by the AMC 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,240 members, as well as offering information on trails, trail safety, local wildlife and fauna. 204 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,400 You could also purchase some like some supplies through them also. 205 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,500 With these services, they're only being offered during the on season from June to September, 206 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:18,040 with the hut being boarded up and locked during the fall through spring months, with only 207 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,260 the hut cellar being left open during the winter in case of emergencies, which makes 208 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:23,960 sense if you're trying to hike. 209 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:24,960 Oh, for sure. 210 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,840 If you're trying to hike in the White Mountains during the winter, first of all, you're an 211 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,840 idiot. 212 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,480 Second of all, it is good to have some place where you can kind of dive into to like not 213 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,200 die from the 273 mile per hour winds. 214 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Oh, for real. 215 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:44,360 It's like I know way too many people that I'm sure you've heard of like the 4000 footer 216 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,880 club in New Hampshire. 217 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,880 Yeah. 218 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,880 Yeah. 219 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,760 Where you hike all the 4000 foot plus mountains and it's a couple dozen. 220 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,800 I can't remember the exact number, but I know way too many people that have done that. 221 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,320 And I'm like, awesome. 222 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,320 But why? 223 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Well, you know, you know, Luke, right? 224 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Luke. 225 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,760 Yeah. 226 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Oh, yeah. 227 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,040 So Luke hikes the Appalachian Trail. 228 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,040 He's done it a few times. 229 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Yeah. 230 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,040 And the story we're actually talking about, he's very familiar with it and he has stayed 231 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,040 in the place where what we're going to talk about has happened. 232 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Oh, that's awesome. 233 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,640 Yeah. 234 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,720 I trust what Luke has to say. 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,040 That's a weird story, but we'll get we'll get into it. 236 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,720 Now I know this sounds like a like a pretty nice day. 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,700 It's got all these amenities and all, you know, warm cook meals, all this stuff. 238 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:32,100 But it's not quite that great. 239 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:36,560 It's definitely not like a like a Michelin star four star rest like hotel. 240 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:37,560 You know what I mean? 241 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:42,520 You're you're I'm assuming you're in a shack and just getting like a it's not that bad. 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,960 It's a hot plate. 243 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,720 It sleeps 90 people, I think with. 244 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Oh, I thought it was like literally just a couple. 245 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,720 No, it's it's pretty big. 246 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,160 It I think it sleeps on 90. 247 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,200 Then there's different rooms that have different occupancy. 248 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Like gotcha allowances. 249 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,200 I don't know. 250 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,920 But anyway, but but there's there's running water, but it's freezing cold. 251 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,240 There's no heat, no electricity, no Wi-Fi. 252 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Again, I don't know what the bathroom situation is like. 253 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:18,120 So I don't know if it's like you're just shitting in a hole or if it's a like flushing flushable 254 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,120 situation. 255 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,680 But anyways, so basically, if you're listening to this and you're thinking about going up 256 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:27,560 there and you're looking for like a glamping trip to the White Mountains, don't don't do 257 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:28,560 it. 258 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:29,560 Yeah, it's not going to be that. 259 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:30,560 Don't do it. 260 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:36,600 It's like you're just going to end up costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in resources 261 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,400 to save your ass. 262 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,960 Like people hike up Mount Major and need to get rescued. 263 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,880 That's wild. 264 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:45,880 It's so crazy. 265 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,600 I mean, if you just hands down the easiest or Blue Job, if it is ever get rescued off 266 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,840 Blue Job, I would fight them. 267 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,000 I almost got lost on Blue Job. 268 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Oh, my God, dude. 269 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,320 It's literally a hill. 270 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,320 There's nothing there. 271 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,080 No, they started doing logging years ago. 272 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:07,080 And I went up there with Ali because they're cutting it out, doing whatever to it. 273 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:14,720 And I we thought we were on the regular trail, but everything was washed out or flooded. 274 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:20,160 So we ended up going up the logging trail and I had Alfie with me. 275 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:26,600 And when we came back down, we literally were just cut off by so much flooding and other 276 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,600 stuff. 277 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,440 And the funny thing was that Alfie was trying to guide us in the right direction the whole 278 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,440 time. 279 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Yeah. 280 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,360 And I was just like, no, why are you pulling that way? 281 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Like let's go like, see, this is why you're going over here. 282 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,440 Trust animal instincts. 283 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,760 They know what they're fucking talking about. 284 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,760 They know what's up. 285 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Yeah. 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:50,720 So this was kind of a lot of information and a lot of backstory, but it's kind of for it's 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,160 kind of necessary. 288 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Maybe not. 289 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,160 I don't know. 290 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:59,680 No, I think it is people that have never experienced, you know, the White Mountains and stuff. 291 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,880 And if you've lived in major cities your whole life, you've never experienced woods like 292 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:05,880 this before. 293 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,520 And also, at least this way, you can you can say you actually learned something from this 294 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,520 podcast. 295 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,760 And like you you gained knowledge that's not just about fucking like a cryptid. 296 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:21,280 Like you gained useful knowledge, not weird shit. 297 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Not a moth that has like six legs and four heads that ate a guy once. 298 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,840 It's like, yeah, it's not. 299 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,880 It could be just as dangerous if you decide to go up Mount Washington, don't know what 300 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,880 you're doing. 301 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Yeah. 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,800 And if you get stuck, even if a road goes out, they're not going to get there that quick 303 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,720 to know it's going to be a nightmare. 304 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:49,760 But but I told you all this because our stories today takes place in one of those Appalachian 305 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Mountain Club huts known as Lake of the Clouds. 306 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,080 Now when the open season is about to begin, a member of the Appalachian Mountain Club 307 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,560 is tasked with taking a solo hike up to the hut with nothing more than just the hiking 308 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,960 gear and a two way radio. 309 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:10,880 His job is to assess any winter damage and then radio back for any supplies, tools, whatever 310 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:16,240 he needs to make the necessary repairs and open the hut to the public. 311 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Now, one year this job was tasked to an experienced mountaineer known only as George. 312 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,840 Oh yeah, we're getting into the story now. 313 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:24,840 This is the story. 314 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,360 I'm like a lot of those people only have one name. 315 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,360 Yeah. 316 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,800 Well, I think this is like a to protect his identity type deal. 317 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,280 I really don't know. 318 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:42,120 But but George packed his gear and left the rest of the crew at the Pinkham Notch base 319 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,520 as he headed up the then still snow covered trails up the mountain. 320 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Around midday, the men at the base camp radioed to George, checking in to see if he made it 321 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,480 there in one piece, but got no response. 322 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,840 This didn't really worry the men as George was well experienced and they figured that 323 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,320 he probably was just taking a rest or out checking on some other stuff near the cabin, 324 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,760 making sure that, you know, he was doing a full investigation of what needed to be done 325 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,400 before they could open it. 326 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,880 It wasn't around. 327 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,840 It wasn't until around eight p.m. that night when they tried radioing to him again and 328 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,480 getting no response that they started to get a little worried. 329 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,800 And then they started drawing plans for them to head out and check on him the following 330 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,800 morning. 331 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,880 Early the next morning, some of the men gathered their gear and supplies and started off on 332 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,300 their journey while others stayed behind in case of an emergency. 333 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:36,400 They started up the snowy trail to the hut when they arrived. 334 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,760 It had seemed at least from their initial observations that George had made made it 335 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,120 there safely. 336 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:47,720 His gear and supplies were set on the dining room floor and his radio was still fully powered 337 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,240 sitting on the table. 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,400 But there was no sign of George. 339 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,040 So they're a little they're a little they're a little kind of sauce about it. 340 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,800 Is there more to it or no, that's the story. 341 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:01,800 We're done. 342 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:02,800 That's it. 343 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,720 So of course, there's more to it. 344 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,720 No. 345 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,720 Oh, God. 346 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,520 So here's what I think happened to George. 347 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,840 Here's you're already going into you're already going into theories. 348 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,160 I'm already going into it. 349 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Let's hear him. 350 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:26,640 George was down with, you know, the psychedelic crowd at the time, ate a bunch of mushrooms, 351 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,800 wandered off into the woods, forgot all his stuff. 352 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,000 But that's all I can. 353 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:41,000 So you're saying that a an experienced mountaineer decided to take a bunch of shrooms and then 354 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,560 walk up the snow covered mountain. 355 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,280 I mean, I've done it on like a hill. 356 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,280 Same thing. 357 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,280 That's a good equivalent. 358 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,280 You can definitely. 359 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,240 Yeah, no, that tracks. 360 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:04,200 I mean, this it's what's about to happen does sound like it could have been a bad trip. 361 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,680 So so I might be close. 362 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,160 So like I said, they went to the cabin. 363 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,760 They found his stuff. 364 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Everything seemed to be in order, but there was no sign of the man. 365 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:19,340 So the men decided to split up with half of them checking outside for footprints or signs 366 00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:21,160 of maybe like an animal attack. 367 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Well, the other half searched the cabin's interior, checking in the bunk rooms and under 368 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,520 the bunks with the use of their headlamps and flashlights as the windows were still 369 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,480 boarded, leaving the hut hauntingly dark. 370 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,120 Both groups called out to George all the while only to get no response. 371 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:41,560 Then as one of the members was nearing the kitchen, they heard what sounded to them like 372 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,800 a faint whimper. 373 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,160 Unsure where was coming from. 374 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,880 At first, he just listened and moved closer, realizing that the whimpering sound was coming 375 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,300 from below the kitchen sink. 376 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:59,000 The crew member cautiously opened the cabinet door and there was George shaking violently, 377 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:05,320 pale as a sheet and his fists white knuckled gripped around an axe and only able to mutter 378 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,760 the words, quote, Just please get me the hell out of here. 379 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,280 Just get me out of here. 380 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,280 End quote. 381 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Wow. 382 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,280 Yeah, dude. 383 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Imagine see. 384 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,520 Imagine seeing a grown mountaineer burly ass fuck man. 385 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,520 Terrified like that. 386 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,800 I'd be terrified to see him that terrified because I'd be like, what the fuck is out 387 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,800 here? 388 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,600 Yeah, that's not that's not what I was expecting. 389 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Now shocked to see one of their own in such a state, the men quickly got George out from 390 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,000 under the sink all the while begging him to tell them what had happened. 391 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,760 But George, trembling and covered in sweat, could only repeat, Just get me the hell out 392 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,440 of here, please. 393 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,200 As the so the crew not wanting to make an already visibly upset man more so they quietly 394 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,640 gathered around him and walked him outside and started heading down the trail to Pinkham 395 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Notch, where an ambulance would be waiting as one of the members had already radioed 396 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,480 ahead to let them know of the situation. 397 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,920 Now George was in the hospital for some time, didn't say a word about what he had experienced. 398 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,680 Some of the crew think that maybe he had an encounter with a bear or a wolf and that's 399 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:20,560 what shook him up so much or maybe even an encounter with a hiker that was violent and 400 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,160 was like he had basically saying he had like a near death experience and was hiding. 401 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,840 Yeah, of course. 402 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:32,160 But according to them, he was also one of the bravest and unlike flappable men they've 403 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,200 ever met. 404 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,240 And for him, them to see him like this was very unnerving. 405 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:43,400 But after some time in the hospital, he decided to finally open up about what had happened. 406 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,400 So this is his story. 407 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,880 So what what do you got? 408 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,480 What's he doing now? 409 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,920 No, I don't know. 410 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,120 I'm just waiting to see what happens because I feel like you've painted a good picture 411 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:59,200 and I'm just no, I'm just going to let you go. 412 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,200 All right. 413 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,320 So I'm not going to say anything. 414 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,960 His story goes that after his hike up the trail to the lakes of the clouds hot, he was 415 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,680 suddenly and extremely overcome with exhaustion and hunger. 416 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,520 He unlocked the padlock door that led straight into the dining room and quickly sat down 417 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,160 on one of the benches to rest a bit and take an assessment of his food supply before radio 418 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,720 before he decided before he was going to radio back to the base. 419 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,160 But before he could, he was suddenly overcome by this feeling that he wasn't alone inside 420 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:34,040 the cabin and that who or whatever it was was standing right behind him, almost reaching 421 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,680 out for him. 422 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,000 George shot up from his chair, spun around, ready to face whoever was trespassing in the 423 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,060 cabin and give him a piece of his mind. 424 00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:43,640 But there was no one there. 425 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,400 He surveyed the hall, narrowing his eyes to adjust to the darkened hut in hopes of catching 426 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,000 a glimpse of whoever may be in there with him. 427 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 But he was completely alone. 428 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,360 But he still had that feeling that he just wasn't alone. 429 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,160 And that's when he saw it. 430 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:05,280 A face pressed against one of the dining hall's windows, its features distorted, grotesque 431 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,720 and contorted. 432 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:12,040 George gasped, stumbled back and then the real horror set in as he realized that what 433 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:18,840 he was seeing should be impossible as the windows were still boarded up from the outside. 434 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,720 Backing away slowly, trying to regain some semblance of self-control, it's then he noticed 435 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,800 that more and more faces started to appear in the window. 436 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,800 And not just the one, but all of the windows, as if he's completely surrounded by an army 437 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,480 of horrifying ghouls laying siege to the hut. 438 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Staring in horror, George watched as the faces seemed to melt through the glass and come 439 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:46,120 into the room, glaring at him with faces of malice, contempt and hatred. 440 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:51,480 It was then that George either passed out or experienced something so horrible and horrifying 441 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,000 that he's blacked it out completely. 442 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,440 But after this, his next memory is that of being found by his comrades in the Appalachian 443 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,880 Mountain Club, escorting him out from under the sink. 444 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:11,440 God, one, wow, but 100% this dude smoked salvia. 445 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,640 100% like that's what I'm going with. 446 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,560 Well, at first, when I was reading the story, when I first started reading the story, I 447 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,160 was like, when he's like, he turned around, I was like, oh, you just caught his own reflection. 448 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,440 Like, oh yeah, yeah, dude, that's how I've I've never done salvia. 449 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,000 I've known a lot of people who have and they've had terrible times. 450 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,440 And that sounds exactly like what happens. 451 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,720 But I mean, like also, like, I don't know, like, imagine, like being in a cabin, you 452 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,320 see a face, just a haunting, horrifying face, just staring at you through a window that 453 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,560 is boarded up, by the way. 454 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,600 And then and then those faces just appear in every window around you. 455 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320 And then they start melting through the glass. 456 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,320 Like, was it Freddy Krueger, Nightmare on Elm Street, where like, you know, he's pushing 457 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,320 through the wall? 458 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,320 Yeah. 459 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,560 Oh, I remember that's what this is. 460 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,560 That's what he described. 461 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,720 Like it was they were melting through the glass and just like looking at him evil as 462 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,040 fuck, dude, like it's completely terrifying. 463 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Yeah. 464 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,680 He could have been he he was probably obviously dehydrated, you know, to like, I don't know 465 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,320 if you were so dehydrated that you can start like to hallucinate. 466 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,320 Yeah. 467 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,600 I don't know if I've ever done that. 468 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,920 We're to the point where I thought faces were coming through a fucking window at me. 469 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,920 Yeah. 470 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,920 I mean, you never know. 471 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,920 You like. 472 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,520 But fuck, I would not go climb up a random mountain to a hut to just unlock it for some 473 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,960 people to use at least at this point. 474 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,960 That's his job. 475 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:54,240 He was part of the Appalachian Mountain Patrol, whatever the fuck. 476 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:02,400 So George, like I said, the last thing after the horrifying face incident, the last thing 477 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:09,440 he remembers is being escorted out of the kitchen sink cabinet by his fellow Appalachian 478 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,880 Mountain Club members. 479 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,200 Now George, after making a full recovery, he ended up resigning from his position in 480 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,080 the AMC, swore never to return to the hut again. 481 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,440 And from all the different sources I've read, not long after his experience, he lost all 482 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,680 memory of this terrifying ordeal. 483 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,840 I don't know if that's due to like a trauma response or what, but thank fucking Christ. 484 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,440 Because I would not want to remember that either. 485 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,080 That sounds like PTSD. 486 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Absolutely. 487 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Yeah. 488 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:44,840 I mean, I deal with it with other things and I have diagnosed like panic and generalized 489 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,200 anxiety disorder and depression. 490 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,640 So it's like, you know, sometimes shit hits you really hard. 491 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,640 Yeah. 492 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,440 I would not want to remember that at all. 493 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,440 But it shook him so much. 494 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,880 He was in the hospital for weeks and it shook him so much and it took him forever to even 495 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,920 talk about what happened and then just forgot it. 496 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,640 Like maybe he just had to get it out and then just like brain shut down. 497 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,680 Maybe it's like everyone is so different. 498 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,680 It's like, 499 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080 Everyone deals with trauma in their own way. 500 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Yeah. 501 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,480 Not to go back to our old stuff, but I told you about how I had that sleep paralysis where 502 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,400 it messed with me so much I couldn't even like talk to people for a few hours. 503 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,680 Yeah, it's fucked up. 504 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,400 Like shit happens. 505 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,800 But Jamie, I need to know, what do you think of the story? 506 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,800 Do you think it's legit? 507 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,400 Again, there's no year associated, no date associated with it. 508 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,480 We can kind of generalize the time of year it happened, but not what year. 509 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,400 And also, like, what do you think? 510 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:52,960 I mean, OK, so you and you and me are good old New Hampshire dudes. 511 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,920 And we spent a lot of our youth growing up and wandering around out in the woods and 512 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,360 just having fun. 513 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:01,360 Yes. 514 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:06,840 Before there were cell phones, before there was, God, smartphones and shit like that. 515 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,160 Our internet came on a CD. 516 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,440 Yeah. 517 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,960 And then you had to share it with your family. 518 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,960 Oh, yeah. 519 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,760 And then if someone tried to pick up the phone to make a phone call, you'd get disconnected 520 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,760 from the internet. 521 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,760 Yeah. 522 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,760 And then be like, what the hell, mom? 523 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,520 I was just leveling up on that boss on Diablo. 524 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:33,760 But no, I think when you grow up in weird, quiet areas, weird shit will happen to you. 525 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Yeah, that's the other thing I was thinking too is that like growing up in New Hampshire, 526 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,680 I know a lot of outdoorsy people. 527 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,240 We know a lot of men, quote unquote men in our area. 528 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,680 Yeah, they don't just say stuff to say stuff. 529 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:48,680 You know what I mean? 530 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Like if something happened to them, you usually take them at their word because there's no 531 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,760 other. 532 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,320 They get shook them so much they have to talk about it. 533 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,640 You have to kind of be like, yeah, I believe it kind of thing. 534 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,640 You know what I mean? 535 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,640 Like they're not trying to gossip. 536 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,320 They're not trying to like make the make a story up to get followers or attention or 537 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,320 something. 538 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280 Like this shit that happened to me was fucked up. 539 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Yeah. 540 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,880 And the thing is, in New Hampshire, like especially the small towns we're from, if someone says 541 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,320 something like that to anyone, they're probably going to get ridiculed by the community. 542 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,240 So the fact that they even said something at all, knowing full well that they're probably 543 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,400 going to get flack for it, I kind of believe it more than if it's just some anybody else. 544 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,400 You know what I mean? 545 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,920 Oh, that's super true. 546 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200 It's like, yeah, it's like one one person says something. 547 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Everyone who lives around you knows it. 548 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,240 Yeah. 549 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,720 It's like the telephone game, you know? 550 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,800 So I mean, I'm kind of inclined to believe it. 551 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,040 Again, the details are super shady behind the whole thing. 552 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,880 Again, there's no year only to have a first name. 553 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,520 I don't even know if that's the real first name. 554 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,200 But at the same time, like I could see that I was reading something that said like 150 555 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,460 people have died on the trail leading up to either the cabin or right past it. 556 00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:05,640 And all the spirits, I guess, kind of congregate around if you're a ghost person, I guess, 557 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,800 if you're not just kind of fucking stupid. 558 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,400 But they kind of all congregate around the counter. 559 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,080 So maybe it was just them being like, fuck you. 560 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,080 You're still alive. 561 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,440 And they all the spirits just fucking came all at once kind of thing. 562 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,440 I don't really know. 563 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,080 But it could be something like that. 564 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Who knows? 565 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,560 Who knows, man? 566 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,120 It could be your own psyche, you know, just acknowledging the fact that there's all these 567 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:37,680 dead people there that are doing what you're doing and then you have to try to not internalize 568 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,480 is the right word, but. 569 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Basically accept the fact that you're going to die to one day and you're doing something 570 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,800 kind of risky. 571 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:52,080 You know, you're doing something like this is your fate. 572 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Fuck you. 573 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,280 Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like it's like, oh, God, maybe that was like their first 574 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440 panic attack ever, you know? 575 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360 And it's like, I remember my first panic attack. 576 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,360 I was like, I'm dying. 577 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,360 Oh, yeah, I do. 578 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,400 I thought I was having a heart attack. 579 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,520 My fucking just seized up like, no, I'm good. 580 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,640 Yeah, I'm dead. 581 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,560 I'm trying to call all my family members not making any sense. 582 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,560 Yeah. 583 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,320 And then 15 minutes later, you're like, that was weird. 584 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,560 It's like, God, probably should change up my lifestyle a little bit. 585 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040 And then you know what we did? 586 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,040 Not that. 587 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,040 No. 588 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720 I live the same exact way as I did before. 589 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,760 There's extremes with everything, you know, whether there's extremes with hiking, there's 590 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:44,360 extremes with music, there's extremes with, you know, drugs or alcohol. 591 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,480 Like, I feel like everyone is almost kind of feeding for something in some way. 592 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,320 But what does that have to do with ghosts? 593 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,320 Nothing, nothing. 594 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,880 You're just giving us a life lesson. 595 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,960 Some people are ghost fiends, you know, that's fair. 596 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,360 They want to fiend for ghosts. 597 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,480 They want to fiend for this unknown, you know, and experience it. 598 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880 And it's fun, you know, it's like. 599 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,760 As long as it ain't hurting me, buddy, do whatever the hell you want to do. 600 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280 How high are you right now? 601 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,280 Very high. 602 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,280 All right, Jamie. 603 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,160 Well, that is the story of the Mount Washington incident. 604 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,600 Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but I want to believe it because it's fucking rad. 605 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,440 I couldn't think of a word besides rad. 606 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,080 So that's what I'm going to stick with. 607 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,480 Rad is dope. 608 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,160 It is come up to New Hampshire, but don't. 609 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,160 Yeah. 610 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520 If you're cool, you can. 611 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:48,280 But just don't, you know, just remember most state parks are carry and carry out. 612 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,280 So take your trash with you. 613 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,280 That's really all. 614 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,120 That's the one thing that I have a gripe with. 615 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,320 Just carry and carry out. 616 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Don't be a dick. 617 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,040 Little bit of respect. 618 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,040 That's all it is. 619 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,040 All right, man. 620 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,040 Thank you so much for coming on. 621 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,040 I appreciate you. 622 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,040 I love you. 623 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,040 I miss you. 624 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,960 Love you, brother. 625 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,000 Let's see. 626 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,680 Make sure you follow us on Instagram at Crypti Cocktail. 627 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Follow me on Twitter at Crypti Cocktail. 628 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,280 Follow me on TikTok at Crypti Cocktail Party. 629 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,920 If you want to donate to the show, help me buy beer in the future. 630 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,320 There's a link in the episode description. 631 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,080 But besides that, that's all I got to say. 632 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,080 Bye, Jamie. 633 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,080 Bye. 634 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:52,640 See you later.