Get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf. Welcome
back, listeners, to our Dynamic Golf podcast.
We've been away for a couple months, so we're
excited to get back. We've got a lot of interesting
new topics. As always, I'm joined by my partner,
Tim McElvena. Tim Mc, how are you doing today
down there in Tampa? Doing great. Thank you,
Sean. Great to be back on the podcast. Great
to have everything back up and running. I know
we've got some great topics up today, and I'm
super excited to talk about it and get back here
with a little bit of our Oakley family and tell
them what we're working on. Yeah, so we got a
special guest coming up, Scott Johnson, our head
golf professional at Oakley. We want to talk
to him about the importance of like a driver
fitting. I think that'll be a great segment.
But, you know, what we really wanted to start
off with TMAC was I walked out this morning and
there's some ice on my windows. It's October
29th or whatever date it is, 27th. Yeah. And
I'm like, uh -oh, it's here. You know, it's the
first time I've had to pull out the ice scraper
and stuff. So just kind of talking about, you
know, it's funny, you know, like you said, like
you guys in Florida, you kind of go into New
Year's season. Summertime is sort of the less
busy time. It's definitely less busy, but you
can play more golf from October through April.
Conditions are better. But up here, it's the
opposite. Like they almost are putting the clubs
down, you know, pretty soon within the next week,
probably two weeks at the most. So just kind
of the importance of... keeping up with you know
even like a little bit of a regimen in the gym
or what are you going to do in the off time yeah
off season we'll call it to continue to get better
at the game like that's kind of the conversation
when i kind of revolve around um so what what
are your sort of some of your things that you
even warm it up to go play golf like kind of
how do you get prepared to play around the golf
with vas or with your buddies or whatever that
is well especially at a at a you know middle
-aged i'd say you know at 48 years old you definitely
want to warm up get the juices kind of going
a little bit uh as far as kind of a you know
warm up or practice a little bit definitely get
out of the cart stretch a little bit um typically
i'm kind of joked at or laughed at but i do jumping
jacks to kind of start off just to get the blood
moving you know i think that's a that's a great
part just to kind of you know even if i don't
have time to hit balls or or do something at
least getting the blood to move out to the outer
rims of the the limbs is important so i think
even if you don't have any time to really swing
a club if you can just do some jumping jacks
or get your legs moving a little bit i think
that's a great start especially especially in
the winter time up there if you're doing anything
it's just getting that blood circulating again.
Oh, it's funny because any other sport you do,
are you just going to go in and do a cold? No,
no, nothing like, you know, basketball, baseball,
hockey, football, lacrosse up here. Like there's
just, they're stretching. There's time, you know,
teams are stretching. There's time in your. Getting
warmed up, like you said, kind of getting the
blood flowing, a little sweat on the brow type
of thing. Why do we just assume that you can
walk from the parking lot to the first tee and
expect good results, right? It's really just
crazy. I mean, I don't know how else to describe
it. Yeah, I mean, I remember, you know, playing
baseball in high school and in college. I mean,
you're there at the baseball field two hours
before, you know, first pitch. And I'm sure for
basketball and everybody else, it was football.
Think about that. They're starting two, three
hours ahead. Yeah, and they are. They're stretching.
They're either being stretched, they're being
worked on. Again, we're not trying to make the
listeners into tour professionals. No. But, again,
if your expectation is to try to shoot lower
scores, you've got to kind of watch what those
guys and what those girls do on TV. Correct.
We know that Scheffler and Rory and even Tiger
was notorious, notorious for getting there three
to four hours before his tee time. And then what's
the other part of that, T -Mac? On the other
side, after they play golf. Do they go in and
have a beer and go home? No. Those days are done,
aren't they? Right, right. Yeah, they're going
to go back into the weight room. They're going
to go hit more balls. They're going to go make
more putts. So, yeah, I mean, for the wintertime,
trying to keep the scope of this conversation
to kind of like what can you do in the off time,
you know, in your own house, in the local gym.
What are some of the things that you can do?
And the things that I've found, and I'll let
you add in here, for me, there's so much good
information out there on whatever social media
platform you want to use. Instagram, Facebook,
those are kind of my two that I go to. And you
can start following people. Usually they're pretty
hot. russian girls that are doing these things
like okay you know like they're just always in
good shape i mean i'm looking for and it's just
like ai in general like you start you look at
a few ab workouts and all of a sudden you get
fed more ab workouts and things that are going
to keep your core stronger absolutely and that's
stability in the golf swing and i don't think
it's it's talked about but it's sort of not like
i don't really focus on it with my you know students
as much as i should It is so important, and we
see it in their body types, right? There is no
more Craig Stadler. There is no more John Daly
on tour anymore. No. I mean, I think Aldrich
Podrick is kind of an outlier, to be honest with
you. Yeah, he is, but he's also 20. Correct,
correct. He can get away with it, right? Yeah.
So, I mean, David Duvall, I'm going back in time
here a little bit, but he was heavy. heavy quote
unquote heavy but he got in good shape and he
also struck the ball better which is so the point
being like you find your thing go and it doesn't
have to be a 45 minute workout it can be it's
amazing what you can do isometrically 15 minutes
on your living room floor and you'll work up
a sweat yeah Absolutely. P90X, I mean, those
chair exercises, I mean, they basically have
you with a chair in your living room and you're
sweating. You can find anything, but you're absolutely
right. A lot of our students that we see, they
have core instability, weak muscles in certain
areas that we need them to exercise. And to be
honest with you, it's tough for us as instructors.
or the student self that they can't make that
movement because their body won't allow it. So
the importance of getting into the gym, isolating
those certain areas that, that need to be worked
on in the core is the biggest part. I mean, if
there's anything you could do is just get up,
do some sit -ups that you'll see your, your game
go tremendously because then you're starting
to create that, that, that super engine that,
that creates the golf swing, to be honest with
you, which is the core. So what I see on, on,
I don't do TikTok, but Instagram, Facebook, what
I see for the most part, and again, the things
that are fed to me are rotational drills. I think
that's just, again, super underrated. There's
just the straight flexibility that Rory has.
You can't give that to everybody in the world.
They don't have that God -given talent to be
able to rotate his shoulders. And Tiger had this
better than most. Yeah. So you got to go work
at it. You got to go and it doesn't happen overnight.
It takes weeks to kind of get your rotation of
your right shoulder, you know, wider, longer.
And I don't want to be the expert here because
I'm not the expert, but you can go look up the,
look these things up, find, find people that
you like. I make a joke about the hot Russian
girl, but at the same time, I'd rather watch
a girl do a workout video than a boy. So, you
know, I follow more of the 20 to 30 year old
women that are doing workout videos. Hey, whatever
keeps your mind engaged into the exercises is
absolutely, you know, what you want to do. What
do you have some certain exercises that you constantly
do indoors? I mean, you have access to a golf
simulator, which is which is very cool. But is
there some exercises that you typically do indoors?
I try to get to Planet Fitness at one of the
local gyms four times a week. During the summer,
it's less because I just don't have the opportunity
or time. When the 12 -hour days are coming, I
don't want to add the 13th hour to it. So now,
again, kind of refocusing now, I usually break
it up into about 15 minutes of stretching, just
pure stretching, plenty of different sort of
yoga moves to that, downward dog. sun salutations
uh definitely like there's a uh one's called
frog which is just really you're on you're on
the ground and you're trying to you get your
knees stretched out you know like like in a frog
position and you're just trying to open up your
hips right that's such a such an important part
of the flexibility so anything can do where you
where again you're on the ground on your back
keep your knees bent so the feet are on the floor,
but then you take your right leg and kind of
cross it over your left leg. Those are some fundamental
stuff that, again, we were doing in basketball
and baseball and stuff. So anything to keep the
hips more open, more flexible. So that's kind
of the flexibility part. Then I'll go into about
15 minutes of kind of strength training. And
for my world at 54 years old, that's taken. kind
of like a 10 to maybe 15 pound weight, probably
a 10 pound weight. I really like some of these
ones where it's kind of like you take it from,
let's say you're standing, you got the weight
in kind of your, in your hands. It's kind of
by your waist, like by your left waist. And you
basically would chop it up across your body to
your right shoulder. Yeah. And you're trying
to get some stretching. And again, that's such
good, like interior ab work or on the, you know,
on the, uh, working on that cross crawl pattern
a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.
So, and I'll do 10, you know, 10, 10 reps of
that. And it doesn't have, it's not the weight.
It's about the flexibility with the weight of
it. And then sort of the last thing I sort of
always end up doing is probably 20 minutes of
cardio. And just to keep, that's kind of the
54 years old. That's kind of looking at the long
-term stuff, keep the heart rate going, whatever.
So when you do end up playing golf, you're playing
18 holes. And even though you're in a cart, you
don't get as tired as you would if you were just
kind of not doing that. Um, that's a little mini
microcosm of sort of what I do, but everybody's
going to find their own. Um, you know, if you
have the ability and the money to go, go to some
of these like stretch lab places, I think that's
an amazing thing. Have you ever tried one of
those? Uh, no, I, I, I've gone to a chiropractor
a couple of times, so I haven't gone to any of
these stretch labs. So I'm, I'm excited to get
into one of those where they're, they're designed
for golf. So yeah, I've been hearing about it
and I've got a buddy that's working at one, so
I need to get on over to him, but. Have you had
an experience with one yet? Yeah, down in the
Brandon area, Bloomingdale area, when I was doing
kind of the Chamber of Commerce for Valrico,
there was a guy there who just kind of opened
one up at the corner of Lithia Pinecrest down
by an old store. And you just can't stretch as
well as somebody else can stretch you. Again,
look at the professional athletes. Baseball players,
you go there an hour before a game and you see
them just being stretched by the trainers. To
be able to put your leg up in the air, great.
We can kind of pull it with a towel. We can pull
it with our arms towards us type of thing. When
you get another person to kind of push on that,
and we'll kind of get to that, whatever the flexibility
is, let's say you can't get to 90, that's fine.
But if you can get to 70 degrees, and the thing
about that T -Mac is... two weeks from now you
can get to 75 degrees and then you kind of keep
working for 90 right like absolutely absolutely
i i can i can remember in baseball you always
went out with with two people right it was you
and a partner right and you're you're stretching
out the hamstrings like you're talking about
you know you can remember you can see those guys
out at spring training the guy's got his his
leg high in the air and the other guy's stretching
him out i mean it's just You know, you do, you
get more of a stretch by using a, having a partner
to help you to get those things or having a trainer
or something like that. You're absolutely right.
You just can't get to those positions without
having that external help. I think the way to
sort of sum this topic up here is, you know,
go do your research. Maybe, you know, you and
I, we can probably do another podcast specifically
just on this part of this golf world here. Yeah.
And maybe start bringing the listeners, some
of the guys that we follow, some of the girls
that we follow. That might be helpful for them.
Maybe we can post some of that, you know, on
our YouTube channel type of thing. But I think
it's just. Just do it. Just go do something.
Go do something for 10 minutes a day, and that'll
turn into 15 minutes a day, and you'll build
a good habit. What would you suggest for our
listeners, a couple of followers, two or three
that you follow that they could see who they
are? as the rabbit hole is, it always spins you
off into another direction to another person.
But who would you kind of have somebody start
you off, you know, to kind of take a look at?
Yeah. Uh, I'm going to give you one for me. It's,
uh, the girl's name is Haley Madigan, H -A -L
-Y, H -A -Y -L -E -Y Madigan on Instagram. Actually
on Facebook is where I'm kind of following her.
Okay. Um, just again. She is the epitome of a
person who's in good shape, but she also does
exercises that you can actually do. You don't
feel like you can't do this type of thing. I
like her. The other one I would say is Christina
Fit is her tag name. C -H -R -I -S -T -I -N -A
Fit. Those are two that I really follow. I got
one more and this one's a little more hardcore
and that's why she's good at it. But, uh, Sandy
Sklar X fit. So it'd be S A N D Y S K L A R X
F I T. Okay. Uh, and I tried some of her stuff
and she does, she, she does a bunch of stuff,
but like legs and sort of, um, that core again,
core muscle groups, but kind of more squat related.
Gotcha. You don't realize how important that
is to be able to fire your hips, activate your
glutes through the golf swing, turn your rotational
part of your lower body. T -Mac, what is the
number one thing people come to us? I would say,
I mean, hopefully you get this answer right.
I want to hit the ball blank with driver. Oh,
it's always they want to sink putts, isn't it?
I know. Absolutely. They want more distance.
They want to hit it further. That's right. That's
what I'm saying. They want to bomb the ball.
And the big thing that we see with the vertical
studies is whatever vertical force you can put
into the ground and lift up against, right, how
much your vertical leap is is determined how
far you can hit the ball. And a lot of people
get lost in the arm swing and chest rotation.
And that does help. But, you know, if you look
at Rory McIlroy's vertical, you know, downward
pressure into the ground, it's off the charts.
being able to squat and open up your hips and
vertically jump is a huge part to club distance,
you know, distance. And that might be, that might
be too much for our listeners, but at the same
time, like work towards it. Like they don't,
you know, that's a, it's a grid point. Me and
Scott Johnson are still continually working on
that part of the game. We see younger players
at our club who just bomb it and they have that,
push off the ground feel that it's always kind
of we used to call it posted right you're going
to post up against your left side yeah this is
this is a different generation they're you know
they're moving me and scott and kyle were talking
about this yesterday like how does how does rory
on his downswing of his driver if you watch him
in slow motion again go go youtube this one easily
rory picks up his left heel on his downswing
with driver replants it basically towards the
target, but in like an angle that you wouldn't
think would be working. He's not opening up lateral.
He's actually going the other way internally,
rotating that left hip to be able to get ready
to push off the ground. And again, it's hard
to explain through, you know, podcast world,
but if you look to go YouTube. rory driver downswing
left heel you'll see it what we're talking about
but it's those little micro movements that you're
talking about that just you know unfortunately
our our common students just can't make or don't
have the time or the ability to do that and those
are the little things that give them the extra
zip that you know those are the things that make
rory so long does that make sense i think i think
part of it this is a good kind of maybe ender
to this part of it because again we we get into
these things we get going which is what i love
about doing these things with you is that um
they don't know what they don't know people don't
know what they don't know yeah like we just expect
people to know certain things about the golf
swing like of course you would start the downswing
with your lower body and people don't right no
they don't they start it with their arms and
their hands because they're trying to lift it
And it's such a fundamental thing to me and you,
but they don't, they don't. So if you don't know
what you're even trying to work towards, that's
our job as the instructor is, okay, there could
be 10 things wrong. I can't give you 10. I got
to give you two. You might be so far away from
thinking about vertical ground force on the downswing
because you're not even close to the. how the
arms are supposed to be at the top of your back
first. Correct. Correct. You know, yeah, that's,
that's a big part is making sure that your body's
in a position to, to get into that. You know
what I mean? So it's, you know, and that's the
thing is you're right. You'll, you'll have a
student come to you. They'll have a list of 10
things, but you've got to kind of do a little
triage. What's the most, what's the, the, the
biggest thing we can fix today that can lead
to maybe one or two other things down the chain.
kind of wrinkling itself out a little bit and
most of the time it's not what the student wants
to work on but you know you got to kind of give
them the medicine that they require not the one
they want yeah so you know again good good kind
of like wrap up like i love what you said is
when you get to the golf course you do some stretching
You can do that stretching at the house, too.
Like, you're not going to lose the stretch between
the house and the first tee. No. But, you know,
I like your jumping jacks. I like your moving,
get moving, moving around. Mark Dunn, one of
our good buddies down there in Tampa, he would
always come to these events, like the Zephyrs
Open. Crump does the same thing, Ron Crump. Like,
they would take the club in their forearm, right,
and the arm would be extended. They'd rotate
the right wrist and left wrist. to kind of get
the wrist flexibility starting, those juices
starting to be active. Yeah. Do you remember
that? Like that's a random thing, but. Yeah,
they would warm up their forearms. You know,
I've even seen guys, you know, take the end of
the club and warm up their calves. The ankle
mobility is very important in the golf swing.
I think that's completely neglected. Wrist, forearms,
those are important in the swing if you want
to close the club face. How many times do people
leave the face wide open on the first swing?
Yeah, so. I guess go do some research, figure
it out, figure out what works for you, what you
have time for in your life. Absolutely. I don't
have to do a 60 -minute workout every day. I
do what I can. If I can't get to it, I'll try
to do 15 minutes on the living room floor. If
not, I'm going to be at my shop stretching while
I'm talking to a member like this. You can do
stuff while you're throughout your day and get
out, like you said, like get out of the seat,
go stretch for 10 minutes, five minutes, whatever,
and then go back into your chair. If you have
to do work from home, I get it. Yeah. So I think
that's a good way to kind of, you know, start
the process of kind of getting back into the
off season workout type of stuff. Let's, let's,
you know, kind of see what the feedback is from
the listeners. And then we'll go from there.
But. Yeah, so I think our next topic is going
to be just a great one for people to listen to.
Excited about bringing this one to our listenership,
and that's going to be our interview with Scott
Johnson. So when we get back, we'll have Scott
on with us, and we'll go from there. All right,
sounds great. Stay tuned. Hi, welcome back, Dynamic
listeners, Dynamic Golf listeners. We're excited
to have you. Again, this is a topic that I think
is really going to be kind of... Eye -opening
to a lot of our students out there, our golfers.
And it's really cool for the Oakley members that
physically listen to this podcast to have Scott
Johnson, our head golf professional at Oakley,
on. Scott, how are you doing this morning? Doing
great, Sean. Nice to be here. How many balls
have you hit so far today, Scott? That's funny
you say that, Sean. I was just in the backyard.
Probably hit 30 balls in the net. Yep. Yeah.
Nice. I'm addicted. CMAC, that's what we talked
about, right? Absolutely. You've got to find
some time to practice and hit a few balls, even
if it's in the backyard, right? It's 30, 40 degrees
out, but that's okay. Ooh, ooh, ooh, wow. Yeah.
Yeah. We're going to play golf a little bit at
CMAC, and that's why he's getting pressed to
take more than he needs. And there you go. Well,
very good. Very good. So, Scott, I heard recently
you had a club fitting. Is that correct? Are
you working on some new clubs that you got out
there in the backyard? Is that what we're doing?
It's a new technique. Yeah, Sean and I went down
to our simulator about 10 days ago, Sean, right?
Yeah, exactly. Just for 15 minutes, Scott. That
was supposed to be what we told. That's exactly
what I was going to say. We have a woman who
works in our golf shop, Alyssa. I said, Alyssa,
I've got three golf shafts. I'm going to grab
Sean. We're going to be in the simulator for
15 minutes. As she said, an hour and 40 minutes
later, I came back infuriated, angry, enlightened,
all of the above. Just, it was such a, Sean's
really good at the track man part of it. And
he walked me through some stuff and I'm thinking,
I've got three shafts. It's pretty easy. I got
a 55 gram stiff. I got a 65 gram stiff and I
got a 60 gram X and I'm going through them and.
What we really found out was by lightening the
shaft 10 grams, miles per hour went up, what,
three or four, Sean? Oh, at least. I mean, you
got up to 106 with that 55 -gram shaft with driver.
Right. What happened to the ball flight? Oh,
sorry. Well, couldn't find it on the golf course.
Couldn't find it on the grid. Traction was looking
for it. Oh, wow. I couldn't play. I couldn't
play that, possibly. So then we went back to
my original 65 -gram shaft, and I was okay. And
then for, you know, just to try it, trial and
error, we tried the 50 -gram X. And now me, I'm
50 years old, and the last thing I thought I
would be looking for is an X, but it did definitely
control the dispersion better. And I lost. probably
three miles an hour. I was down to one Oh two
or so. It's funny. I'm 60 years old. And just
like everybody else, I'm looking for distance
TMAC, just like everybody. I want to hit it further.
I don't want to hit it short. So, so, you know,
you're down there and we go through the whole
thing. And what Sean, Sean was very polite, very
politically correct. He's great at this. You
know, Scott, it's really not the miles per hour.
That's got you. He goes, it's your delivery.
And that was really a nice way to say, hey, your
attack angle really sucks. Gotcha. Which it did.
Yeah. There's so many factors, right? That's
kind of part of it. There's so many different
factors. And you're trying to drill down on what's
the most important factor of it. What was the
angle of attack and what did it change there?
Well, two things. First of all, before. We go
down, TMAC, we go down with 65 and 55 stiff shafts.
Right? Pretty simple. Hey, we're trying to get
further. And he's the one who, after we hit the
55 like eight times, and you can tell, you don't
need a track man to hear this. You can tell by
the sound, right? You can tell by, he's like,
I'm hitting everything on the heel or whatever
it was. It wasn't close to the center anymore
because, yeah, he was gaining speed, not distance.
He was gaining speed. But he wasn't gaining distance.
Ball flight was higher. Spin rate was higher.
Basically, the height of the golf ball at the
apex was higher. It was all bad. It was like
20 yards bad. And then he's the one who's like,
you know, I got this X -Flex up in the shop.
Maybe we'll grab that. And it's the perfect in
-between because it still keeps the gram weight
at 60 instead of 65. A little lower than what
he's currently playing. But the dispersion rate
of the shaft, he delivers it. so consistently
well that when he goes to a stronger shaft, we'll
call it, the ball flight is straighter. That's
like one topic, right? Yeah, absolutely. The
second topic is the attack angle, which we both
have worked on for going on 15 years of it. He's
gone for at least probably five years of it.
But I think, Scott, when you first started, when
you first before you even got to the attack angle,
T -Mac too, when you're doing a fitting, you
don't want to get into lesson world. Right. Correct.
Correct. You can get lost in that soup for sure.
Yeah. Yeah. Do we want to change the person's
golf swing or are we just trying to fit them
for the shaft? It's different. You know what
I mean? I wanted, I wanted, I wanted the lesson,
if you will. I wanted the interpretation of all
the numbers to, so I could. I understood them,
but I wanted to say, okay. And my line to Sean
was after about an hour and a half, as I'm sweating
profusely, I said, how do I fix it? I know what
they are. How do I fix it? What do we got to
do to fix it? And there were a couple of main
things that really needed to change. And before
we get into that part, my attack angle on the
was, was it negative three to four. Okay. So
I'm hitting down on it with the drive. Okay.
Horrible. Yeah. Horrible. Great with irons. I'm
a really good iron player. That's funny you say
that. Yeah. But with the driver, it really, a
bunch of things needed to change. And as we moved
towards the end of the fitting slash lesson,
we got it to basically one degree down. So that's
an improvement. You know, is it where it needs
to be? No. Am I ever going to be a positive?
I doubt it. I can get better because, Sean, remember
the track man graph you showed me? If I swing
at 103 miles an hour, it should go off to one
distance. It's 278. I'm hitting it 255. I'm not
even close. Yeah. So as I'm looking it up and
I was looking at the stuff as we're doing the
lesson, like, you know, the PGA Tour player average
is... negative one to negative three down. We
always think it's a positive number with driver.
But what we see on TV and long drive contests
is the guys who are the other way, the positive,
like breaking positive seven. Oh, wow. He's slinging
so far up on the golf ball and long drive guys
do that. But you don't, it's just the point of
like, you can't, you can't expect to get the
maximum distance with roll and carry. If you're
negative three or negative four, you're just
delivering it with too much spin. Is that a setup
issue, Sean? I mean, or is it just a T issue?
Or are we getting a little too... Very good.
Very, very good. So, tracking has video attached
to it. So, Sean puts me on video face -on and
I'm looking at it. The ball position is pretty
good, but my shoulder tilt slash spine angle
tilt... And weight distribution, let's see, my
weight distribution almost looked 55 front, 45
back. So I looked like I was hitting an iron,
basically. And my spine tilt was not nearly enough.
Not nearly enough. He goes forward. He moves
towards the target for the listener with his
spine. And that's not what long ball hitters
do. Keep going. They actually at impact are their
head and... upper body are going backwards for
a split second. It's amazing to watch in slow
motion when they actually, as they're coming
into impact, their spine and their head is going
for a right -handed player, moving towards their
right foot for a split second, and then they
go through. Not me. I was going right to my left
foot because in your whole life you've been taught
you've got to finish left, you've got to get
left. Well, that's after you make impact, not
as you're coming into impact. It really made
a huge difference. it's funny we came up with
a i have a little bit of a strategy i'm putting
the driver head approximately four to five inches
behind the golf ball now and i'll tell you one
sean you don't even know yet so that puts my
head my spine tilt in a better angle away from
the golf ball great helps me swing up on a little
bit and what it did was take my right forearm
and lower it So it's underneath my left forearm,
which in all good players, you see. In bad players,
you see, you never see their left forearm because
their right arm dominates for a right -handed
player. You know, for a good player, their right
arm is underneath, if you will, or passive, and
you see their left forearm. And I noticed that
the other day when I was in the back, I meant
to tell you this, Sean, when I was hitting balls
in the net, because as we all know, I'm addicted.
And when I put the driver there, you can... Absolutely
see my right elbow almost has a little bit of
a bend in it. Absolutely. It never did. So TMAC,
that goes to literally our high school coach.
His name was George Hennessy. He would come up,
and I do this in so many lessons with driver.
It's amazing. It doesn't show up in a pitching
wedge or an eight iron, but your right elbow
has to be bent. You know that, TMAC. Your left
arm's got to be dominant. So if you're not set
up properly at the beginning, This is why all
these things matter. Like, why does that matter
how I set up to the golf ball? Because you're
going to deliver it that way. Yeah. So, you know,
if your right arm's on top from the down the
line view, you're behind, you know, you're with
the students hitting the golf ball, you're behind
them, you're looking down range. And if you can't
see their left forearm from the setup, you're
done. You're done. Yep. There's almost no way
to hit an inside out shot from that position.
It just doesn't work. It doesn't work. So for
those things, you kind of hit on his arm a little
bit. Is that what you kind of do to get that
right arm a little softer? Is that what you do,
Sean? What I do with my students, I didn't do
with Scott because I know he's working on this
specifically. It's funny, his lag, he gets the
club behind him. He does such a good job on his
downswing. His downswing is always shallower
than his backswing, and that's why he's such
a consistent ball striker. So he's got that.
kind of crook in his right elbow on downswing.
But the fact, and we had a range session TMAC
two months ago up at a golf course in Georgetown.
Yeah. And we were both just ripping draws. Like
we had the right foot so far behind the left
foot, right hip, everything was designed to make
it draw. Yeah. And killing it. And we, you know,
go back to our normal valve swings and don't
do it. Yeah. It's easier to do it on the range
because, as we all know, there's no consequence.
You don't have to play the mishit range ball.
You hit it right, you hit it left, who cares?
You just tee up another one. Now, with that being
said, the range is absolutely the most important
part when you're relearning things. And for me,
that's why I'm in the net. And Sean, I literally
will come home from work and see my wife, and
she'll be in the kitchen, and I'll be like, I'll
be right back, and I will walk in my backyard
and hit 10 or 20. 30 golf balls and then come
back in. And it's, it's a, I don't know, like
a, it's a release for me. And it's a, it's what
I want to do. I love, I absolutely am. I love
golf. It's ridiculous. It really looks like that's
what I say to people. I'm like, it's therapeutic.
I don't know how to tell you. Yeah. So before
we wrap this up, we can talk to Scott about this
forever. Hopefully we'll have him back about
other things. Cause he's just such a good resource.
And I think it's. I think it's great for the
Oakley members to hear it because we talked about
it individually as members walk in. Yeah. But
to be able to kind of get this message out to
everybody and get them to realize a few things.
First of all, you don't know what you don't know.
You think you know stuff. You don't know stuff.
We talked about that in the last segment. Yeah.
You don't even know what you're working on. Correct.
That's what me, Scott, and Kyle, and Garen are
good at. We can identify this much quicker than
you can through YouTube. So there's that. And
then the other part of this is, Scott, we played
Kernwood two weeks ago. What'd you shoot? I shot
70. Perfect. Nice. What'd you shoot at Lake Winnipesaukee
a month ago? Two rounds? I shot 75 -70. Yeah.
Okay. Nice. I don't need to say anything. Do
I team that? Click. Well, I mean, I think the
big thing I take out of this is for the Oakley
members is even your, even your head pro assistant
pros are still working on, on parts of their
game. And I think the bigger part is, is that
even at any level, go get a lesson, right? I
mean, don't be afraid to ask your, you know,
your fellow pro or assistant say, Hey, I need
help with my swing. Can you look at it? And you
can see with the results that you're getting
over there that it's, it's good stuff. A hundred
percent. It's a hundred percent, but. You know,
many of us think we're good or pretty good players.
We really don't need help. You know what? There's
a couple of things that, you know, one, definitely
come see one of us or ask for help. And the second
part is everybody's got a phone. Video doesn't
lie. And when you start to see things on video
and, you know, you – how many – Sean, how many
people send you a video and say, look at this?
And you'll be at home and you'll be looking at
a member's swing from home going, oh. Yeah, we've
got to get together and fix this with a couple
items. It's just video is video. That's why everybody
pretty much, T -Mac, swings almost the same now.
Like every young player coming up, they're copying
what they see, and they're seeing the best of
the best. Yeah, video helps. Yeah, I agree with
that completely. You can't hide from it, bottom
line. I'm going to, I'm going to end this with
saying one last thing I did tell Scott when we
were kind of going through the, cause I didn't
know if these questions were rhetorical PMAC
when he was yelling at me, like, what do I do?
How do I fix it? How do I get better? And I'm
like a little intimidated by him still. Cause
he's still like my 12 year old idol. Like I was,
he was good when he was 17, I was 12 and I'm
like, he's still really good. And I don't want
to fix, I don't want to mess him up. But so I
said this before in the podcast, reading the
book. uh about byron nelson i mean 1954 he his
statement it was with driver he's trying to keep
his head behind his right knee at delivery okay
wow go take that listener yeah everybody should
think about that one that makes a huge difference
yeah that's a that's a different way of looking
at it um that's great that's wow didn't even
think about that right no track man no nothing
like they knew this is a new stuff it's not sean
and scott and tim's new philosophy on how to
say the golf ball You know, if you kept your
head behind your right knee as you deliver the
golf club with driver, you would swing up on
it, period. Yeah, the modern swing, everything
that we're all built on now, for sure, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah. Well, then you go figure out how
to do that and make the ball go straight. That's
a different conversation. But anyway, so, hey,
Scott, I really appreciate you coming on with
us and look forward to talking to you more about
some of the different things that you keep working
on, which is great. Yes. It's been my pleasure.
Guess what, Sean? Unfortunately, we'll have to
go back into the TrackMan world to see if we're
making any progress. Can't lie. You can't hide
from it. Nope. I can't. You got it. I'll pay
a little bit. I'm bringing a lot of money today.
Don't worry. I'm bringing a lot of money. I know.
We'll see you later on. Thanks, Scott. All right.
So welcome back, listeners. I think we had a
good session today. We got some different feedback
in two pretty important areas. First thing is
really, what are you going to do to kind of get
ready to go play golf, sort of in the long term
and sort of the short term? We were talking more
sort of long term, like, okay, you got some time
throughout your winter time period or throughout
your even nighttime when you guys are in Florida,
up here in the north. You know, go do something.
Go find your thing. Go find something that you
like to do. I didn't mention this in the segment,
TMAC, but, you know, when I'm hitting balls,
when I'm putting, when I'm chipping, when I'm
going to the gym, I always have headphones in
and I'm always listening to music. And just the
time goes by quicker. Yeah, just you kind of
get into a flow state, right? You kind of turn
the mind off a little bit. You let the body kind
of take over. And it's kind of the state that
we want to be in when we're out there on the
course. So I think that's great. I think that's
why some of the people kind of take the radios
out there or the iPhones out there and listen
to them. Now some of them get a little crazy,
but I think you're right. I think you're trying
to get into that flow state, right? Yeah. And
then, and also occupy it for me when I'm working
out at the gym, it's like, I'm not thinking about
necessarily exactly the reps or whatever, because
I'm listening to music or podcasts or whatever,
whatever keeps you going to keep you involved
in what you're trying to do. Yeah. I would say
probably set a time on it. Like, Hey, I'm going
to go to the gym. I'm going to, I'm going to
be there for 30 minutes. I don't know what I'm
going to do yet. I'm going to figure out. I might
do 15 minutes on cardio. I might do 15 minutes
stretching. But start, again, sort of incremental
things. I'm going to go twice a week. Oh, hey,
you know what? I kind of feel better mentally
when I go. I'm probably going to go three times
a week. I'm going to find time. Hey, you know
what? To your point, we haven't talked about
your weight loss journey. Maybe we'll do that
in a future one. But maybe you don't eat the
piece of cake at 8 o 'clock at night. Right.
Maybe you find the apple. Put the food away.
So I think that's a great one. And then I really
enjoy any time I get to talk to Scott. I work
with the guy every day. I spend a lot of time
with him every day. But just the amount of knowledge
he's got. And I think, T -Mac, you can hear it
from down in Tampa, like the passion. Yeah. wants
to get better yeah i mean he's out there it's
40 degrees where most of it well us here in florida
we're bundled up with about six layers at that
point but he's out there hitting balls he's excited
about what he's learning and i think it really
capitalizes the idea that you're never it's never
too late to learn something new and being excited
about it or Or just the passion that he had about
the lesson that he had with you to get the understanding.
I mean, here's a guy that could go shoot 67,
65 very easily. He's still working on his game,
on his craft, getting better. And you can hear
the enthusiasm, the passion of learning something
new. And he's just like a five -year -old kid
getting out there ready to beat balls and get
the imagination going. And I think it's great.
Yeah. It's, it's exciting to, you know, just
be around. Like we want to get better. We want
to, we're trying to find it. We're trying to
find more distance. We're trying to, I got a
new putter in the bag today because the old one's
not working currently. So you don't just stand
still. You don't just keep doing what you're
doing. Stupid definition of insanity type of
thing. Like you got to change it up. You got
to go do something different to get better. So.
Yeah. And that's, that's the beauty of this sport.
You, you continually. learn at this sport you
can play it at 80 years old where basketball
baseball you cannot that's the beauty of this
sport is that at 110 if you're still alive you're
still working on something to get better you're
trying to beat that guy next to you or whatever
it is so it's a it's a game for a lifetime which
is wonderful i think you're trying to improve
on your own stuff too i think there's some of
that like we're trying to always get you know
oh great i shot 40 on the front side maybe i
can shoot 39 in the back there's hope They can
make cars as well, like all that stuff. So, yeah,
good first segment back in, our first session
back in. We've got some good guests coming up
now for the upcoming season. So, yeah, just stay
tuned with us, Dynamic Golf listeners. Team Mac,
you be safe down there in Tampa. Enjoy the good
weather. And I'll let you know if I shot 78 or
80 today, you know, one of the two. Sounds good.
Stay warm up there, partner. We'll talk to you
soon. All right.