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Alright welcome back Dynamic Golf podcast listeners.
I am your co-host Tim McAlvanah and with me today is my partner as always Sean Klotz.
Sean, how are we doing today partner?
Oh we got a beautiful New England morning here at Femac.
It's around 40 degrees and we got some snow from last night.
I think we're going to get some of those pictures up on our website and kind of on the YouTube
area and stuff.
So it's just you know you got to remember where you're at.
Yeah.
Hopefully we're going to see some green grass here in about two or three months but right
now we are what we are so we got to kind of figure out different ways to keep our game
going and keep our swing moving and you know we do what we do.
We do what we got to do.
Well I think it's very interesting that you're you know when people see the pictures here
that you're going to go out and hit some golf balls today and you know 44 degrees and bright
and sunny is a pretty nice day up there in Boston right now isn't it?
Well you know again you can't just stay dormant right?
You don't get better by sitting on the couch.
Correct.
So you got to keep going.
You got to keep working at it and it's been what has it been about two weeks since I hit
a ball because I was down in Florida two weeks ago but it just if you love the game like
we do and if you have the time like I do currently you got the two little ones there.
You're not as able to just you know jump out and go hit balls but you know it's a day off
and I did just come from the gym like because you know you kind of work on your core stuff
and flexibility at the gym but you got to hit balls so you got to practice.
Did you happen to watch any of the AT&T yesterday?
Yeah.
Yeah I watched a lot of the AT&T.
Roy really surmised it with that eagle on what was it number 13 or 14 or something like
that and it was pretty well over after that.
You mean the driver 7 iron on a par 5?
You mean that shot?
Yeah yeah that's a whole especially at that course you know what I mean?
And I played there before too and that's that route there that line that he took on his
drive on 14 you don't do that.
That's not like those houses are in play.
You don't just go over the houses or at least normal people don't.
Human.
So yeah he said exactly.
But I thought some of the commentary was interesting about how they said that maybe it's come up
maybe 18.
You played 18 great too right?
Tell the listeners how you played 18.
I played it beautifully you know right down the middle and onto the green and just you
know.
But iron off the tee.
Yes iron off the tee you know playing conservative golf making sure that you know he keeps it
in the fairway like we kind of tell some of our students right?
Yeah yeah he hits iron.
He hits I think he hits maybe 8 iron for second shot 7 iron way up to about 100 110.
He hits a 15 ledge on the green and then he two putts and there you go.
Like we've talked about that so many times in our world.
And that's such a daunting hole too you know what I mean?
You've got all that water to the left of you for a guy who draws the ball that's got to
be kind of intimidating and then to have the mental acuity to just take an iron off there
and do that is pretty stout stuff.
And he said it after the interview he said he's like you know if I had a two shot lead
I might hit driver but I had a three shot lead so I figured I might as well just play
smart and just hit three quality shots and you know and kind of bring it in.
But the thing I was trying to get to was the commentators were talking about that during
the off season he hit balls into a simulator for three months because this is really funny.
He didn't like the shape of his swing.
He wanted to kind of work on his motion and the best way for him to be able to do that
was indoors seeing the video and he's Rory flipping knockaway.
He's not Tim McElveen, he's not Sean Klotz, he's not you know dynamic golf listener number
400.
He's Rory McElroy and he's changing his swing in the off season in a simulator trying to
get better.
Was it you know when he talked about it was it something to do with why his ball his like
you know wedges and stuff like that go left all the time?
Was that kind of what is what is dynamic was?
So they didn't it was more the commentator who brought it up it wasn't Rory.
Okay.
But basically the commentator I don't know if it was A's Angers, you know CBS, it was
Jim Nance or whoever but it was one of those guys who was talking about he just felt like
his swing broke his swing would break down under some pressure situations last year and
another interesting comment that he did make is that he wants to be he's kind of patterning
himself in 2025 after Scottie Scheffler which again I think is like a really smart intelligent
way to see what the competition is doing and his main point was like he just doesn't want
to make bogeys.
He doesn't mind making you know making more pars but he just doesn't want to make bogeys
and then over the weekend at Pelwich he had one bogey and 36 holes.
Yeah absolutely makes the unbelievable you know driver 7 iron and even the wedge shot
on 15 that he that he stuck to yeah you know a foot or whatever.
And he had a hole in one too on the second day too so you know I mean had a pretty good
week right?
That's correct that's correct.
Had the opportunity to play Pelwich back in 98 so it's always great being able to kind
of watch events where you've played the course but number 17 is is so hard like and they
just make it look so easy.
They get the pin cut you know 12 paces off on the other side of that rough and it's a
narrow narrow green it's wide it's super wide you know left to right it's narrow front to
back.
These guys are just they're just good.
And if I remember right when you look at the tee you'd pretty much just look out towards
the ocean don't you?
Yeah that's correct.
And that's pretty intimidating in itself.
Yep because you I mean you could have different wind conditions which is what they had on
Saturday apparently I didn't really watch much of Saturday but it was pretty miserable.
Yeah I think you know they're just so solid each time and the differences between the
winner and the second place is so minuscule minimal but there's you know 40 guys within
kind of six or eight strokes and it's all just kind of who makes the putts you know
maybe Rory distances literally distances himself from other players because he hits it so far.
So it's nice it's nice to be able to hit.
I mean the 14 on the second shot on 14 the par 5 he hit seven iron from 210.
Yeah.
They and you is seven wood or something or you know.
It's my five wood I think probably maybe a three wood at that point.
Yeah uphill uphill by the way.
It's like and he's just that's what Tiger used to do to the field right.
He could hit the ball so high when he wanted to and he could just dominate some of the
short not shorter courses dominate some of the golf courses because he was coming at
it from a different angle you know how his how his ball flight was coming in.
Well I think it kind of goes back to you know I've been listening to some of our old podcasts
but it kind of goes back to that conversation what we had with Sean Van Patten about the
strokes gained right you know how how each one of these players are looking for just
that minuscule of improvement to get better and it really is you know I think a lot of
those guys are going to that you know science and stuff like that now.
Yeah so so true so you know for our listeners today we're going to kind of tackle this this
weight shift pressure angle of attack low point sort of divot note you know to divot
or not to divot type of conversation.
And I think if you kind of put in some of the stuff that we're going to talk about not
all of it's going to be this is going to be one of the episodes you know I think people
should listen to multiple times because they're going to get a lot.
Yeah and we don't want them to try to do everything in one swing correct you know take take take
part of it and go work at it for two weeks and then come back and listen to it again
and put the next part of into play.
So yeah I think what what's your I mean just you personally making a golf swing sort of
I guess maybe explain to the listeners you know we've we've talked about this a little
before in the past but let's really just go with okay what's the difference between hitting
an eight iron versus a driver like what are you thinking about when you're trying to make
your golf swing and with those two different golf clubs as far as you know pressure and
weight and shift and all that type of stuff.
Yes so for me and what I'm trying to do at least with with my irons is so I'm trying
to hit down on them I want to feel like for me personally I want to feel like my lead
shoulder is going towards the ground in my downswing I want to feel that angle of attack
down and then in results with the driver per se I really want to feel like my left shoulder
or my shoulders are moving what what you would call a positive right moving up.
Okay those are my two big swing thoughts for that and you know right or wrong I think that's
the the right way to start if that makes sense.
Yeah absolutely and it's a great point it's the if you get anything from this podcast
the two clubs are swung in a different plane they're swung downward versus upwards your
body's working differently so for me I'm a little more lower body oriented than upper
body so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to feel it in my feet and how that movement
works from my from my you know back foot into my front foot on an iron and that's early
early in the downswing like like arguably before the downswing even starts I'm already
trying to shift I'm going to keep using the word pressure I'm trying to shift the pressure
from my right foot into my left foot with an iron and it really is almost every iron
you know even up to hybrid so we're talking you know eight iron versus drivers we'll keep
it that simple but when you get to a longer club you start kind of doing it less for lack
of a better term okay but then I think I brought this up last time on our podcast there both
the PGA show but that pressure shift I'm terrible this part with the driver if you got something
from this what I learned from the PGA show was at impact with a driver the pros have
around 10 to 15 percent of their weight on their left foot at impact front foot and that
means 85 percent of the weight is on the right foot yeah and then just like you said with
an iron we are completely the opposite inverse 85 on the left 15 percent on the right and
sometimes even more on the left as we get to a pitching wedge or we're hitting something
you know correct downward into it so I think that's the big picture stuff for our listeners
to really grasp and how you do that is probably a little bit up to you go try it go figure
it out go hit balls hit some I'm gonna hit some really bad golf shots today because I'm
gonna work on driver a lot and you know I'm not gonna transfer the weight correctly because
I'm always kind of the downward attack angle with everything got you but yeah I think that's
the main point is to get to realize that it's different because it's just amazing when you
teach people and we take teach people every day like their concepts are they kind of have
a general idea of it but or they don't they just think every club is supposed to be swung
the same way because yeah sometimes that's the conversation that the husband tells the
wife or that the grandfather tells the grandson or whatever you know absolutely so you know
and I think it's it's good to bring up that you you brought a little video back from the
PGA show and some of the technology that we're using and that the industry is using to measure
those things is something called ball on I think it's like a shoe insole or something
like that which I think is a great technology I you know I'll have to do a little bit more
research and see just how accurate it is but it really does open up the door for instructors
like myself and you to really show your students where pressure and weight go and have a measurable
you know visible measurement for people so I think that's that's really important too
when you start looking into you know where you know when you start to explain these things
you try to get people a feel for it of course but I think if you can have you know it's
a new science and I think if you can give them a visual to see you know this is where
it's at and this is where it's at they have a greater understanding and I will say that
even talking to some instructors showing that video they're still like they don't believe
it so it really is because I put it in the professional thing a professional app on on
Facebook and I got a lot of people no that's not true that's not true and I'm like guys
the data shows this and even if I look at swing catalyst it shows the data for this
so yeah you know it's tough to believe that but you know we're you know that's the great
thing about the new science that's coming to the golf industry so so it's it's funny
I've you know been reading and studying golf since I was you know 15 or whatever I definitely
remember there being a book that I've gotten I think at the house Ben Crenshaw was kind
of it's a Ben Crenshaw book for our listeners you know younger than 40 would go look up
Ben Crenshaw Masters winner best putter arguably ever type of thing correct never a super never
a super long ball striker but he was kind of a student of Harvey Penick and again if
you don't know who that is you need to go do your research too correct there's a great
instructor right there right right Texas kid anyway so so he he his book was which I thought
was still fascinating is he's interpreting he's got his information on the left hand
side of hey how to initiate the downswing and then on the right hand side it's Byron
Nelson's information from 1955 oh wow and all Byron Nelson did was win 11 tournaments
in a row and you know he's pretty good too in the world of golf so but the thing that
caught me on the driver side on this picture was that Byron Nelson would he his statement
was when I hit driver accurately or accurately and the best distance that I hit driver it's
it's when I've got my head in line with my right knee at impact of the driver so your
head has to stay significantly back yeah with your driver if you really think about where
the your right knee is at impact with the driver so you're way back yeah and that's
kind of the thing is like those guys didn't have track man Hogan didn't have all that
stuff and you know Bobby Jones and Byron Nelson and Sam Snead but but they got it they got
it so you know they kind of understood the laws of physics those haven't changed 300
years or you know whatever thousand years and I think you bring up a really good point
for a lot of our our listeners is that typically when I see people hitting the driver struggling
with the driver their head is moving you know in front of the ball right you know so I gotta
get my way to my left side Tim I gotta get my way to my left side I gotta finish I gotta
make this pretty finished correct how do I get that finish right and that's that's what
I want to show my students the video I gave you and stuff for some balance yeah they're
like well how do I finish I said I don't care how you finish I care what you're doing at
impact you could be ugly when you finish because some of these guys especially long drive guys
they don't finish pretty they're not a fit they're not it's not a finish pretty sport
anymore no it's a hit it as hard as we can and get it up in the air and launch it well
there's nothing pretty about Scotty Schaeffler swing right but he's just winning tournaments
yeah I mean I don't know about that but yeah I mean it's a it's a much more artist move
you know he's got his feet moving you know there's he's not Adam Scott he's not correct
right correct it's not text I got you I got you know it's not something you're like hey
I want to you know totally copy that but you know yeah you wouldn't teach it yeah but you
definitely if your student had it you'd have them keep it right yeah but it's that's a
good I mean side note but like this Scotty Schaeffler has got such width in his golf
swing we now don't want to get into wide narrow wide today but he's got such width in his
motion and I think that's a good takeaway for some of our listeners again go because
people get narrow and whatever let's let's keep it to what we're talking about but yeah
he's uh yeah but obviously his footwork feet work you know it's not fundamental to what
you would see from what again Rory looks beautiful it looks that whole thing looks musical well
you've got a lot of people copying his swing I mean you've got the lady on the LPGA that
won what two three years ago that's got the exact same swing as his you've got Tiger telling
Charlie to copy Rory's swing and yet he's at track manner and inside a studio trying
to change it so yeah it's a baffling game isn't it so funny yeah it is so let's talk
about pressure and reverses weight shift because again that's something that you know we were
you know we're very similar ages we kind of were kind of brought up in the sport similarly
like it was always a weight shift thing like get your weight to your right side get your
weight to your back side yeah right and then and then on your downswing well get your weight
left as quick as you can I never really heard pressure I didn't I tell probably about I
I know when I heard it it was roughly about 17 years ago at a PGA teaching the PGA yeah
sorry in Port St. Lucie Rick Bartina was giving me a lesson he was the director of PGA instruction
to the whole PGA just an amazing teacher had the luxury of being able to go down there
for a lesson because Doc Whalen got me a one like a two-hour package with him but it was
a it was just and this is 17 years ago and he had is the first time I saw the force plates
that's the first time I saw that in person and I got it I'm like oh my gosh we've been
trying to tell people a hit off of a downhill lie for 10 years this makes it much more understandable
you know but so so yeah again kind of with your students and sort of how do you initiate
the backswing how do you initiate the downswing kind of what are you telling people about
the difference between that pressure move versus like you know weight shift yeah so
I mean for my students I really when when they get up to the top of the the golf swing
and something that's kind of resonated you know just hanging around you and Sean Phan
Patton you know really getting that feeling of when I get up to the top I want to feel
like and this is something Sean would drill into my head all the time is I want to feel
like I'm squashing on a grape before I start that downswing with my left foot so I really
want to feel like I'm pressing down hard on that thing to get that you know what we used
to say in the old days or old instructors say just shift your weight right just shift
your weight to the left and now we're we're getting new terminology where it's really
put the pressure into the ground on the left foot to initiate that start does that make
sense it does yeah there's there's you know again if they if listeners want to go go kind
of do some YouTube research there's a guy named Danny Maude that does a good video on
I think the again big picture stuff for the listeners it's if you're if you're in if
you're in posture and you're getting ready to make your golf swing the movement is on
the as you go back that right hip goes backwards and and the left the pressure goes into your
left foot initially on the takeaway like like you're gonna press off the ground with the
right leg because you're trying to get your right hip kind of tall now again I'm going
to back up here a little bit yeah when I start my when I start my golf swing the first half
of it from from a address to hip high where my hands are hip high I've definitely moved
the pressure from my left foot to my right foot I need to make that clear I haven't moved
outside the box the box being you know kind of like in between your where your right leg
and left leg is so you haven't moved your weight but you've moved your pressure yeah
and you can do that and that's you know when we talk about go listen to this one five times
I need you guys to get that that's us that's such a it's not a small it's not a small difference
it's a big difference in how you start making a golf swing because weight shift is moving
your entire chest mass you know center your body like your buttons on your shirt that's
moving that to the right if you literally just move that to the right trying to get
your buttons on your shirt to your right shoulder that's weight shift that's that's that's not
great that's not what we're trying to do we're trying to move pressure initially into your
right foot and then and then that feeling of that right hip going backwards and getting
tall goes exactly to your point to you Mac if I can get at that at the top of my backswing
if I can get that right hip tall and the right leg certainly never dead straight but straighter
than it was at the beginning correct still still some bend that sets me up for what you
talked about was okay oh now now I can work downhill into the golf ball and now I can
go the other way which is move the pressure back into my left foot early in the downswing
it's not arguably prior to the top of the backswing yep and I'm ready and then funny
I was watching one another YouTube video yesterday with one of my clients and and the guy on
YouTube he's like okay once you get there it was a he's a analysis of Adam Scott swing
and he's like once you get there once you've started the downswing and you get the weight
the pressure back in your left side golf's pretty easy I'm like well I don't know about
all that for average people but yeah you know well it definitely simplifies things right
yeah yeah it should be like get out of the way like stop stop thinking at that point
you can't fix it go yeah momentum's the trains left the station at that point it is going
just ride with it at that point right yep that's the term momentum I love it yeah you
why would you want to stop the action the momentum yeah let it let it let it develop
what it and and be intentional with it and be you know let's go let's let's be really
intentional ball after ball give it yeah there we go now we're starting the next topic give
it uh ball first do it after you know all those things come as a result of doing the
first part well correct correct so so for my students what I kind of do to get them
the feeling of that that start that pressure and stuff like that is what I do is I get
down on the ground and I hold their golf club and then I'd say go ahead and start your swing
and you'll notice that they don't they're not going to move their weight they're going
to start trying to use their hands and and their pressure and they start to feel where
that pressure goes into the ground now if they start to slide and move then then we
know that they're they're doing it incorrectly but if they if I hold that club and have them
start you know try to initiate that start they start to feel that their hands and their
pressure starts to go down into that leg and they start to feel that their hands and chest
start to move as one unit so you you hold their club at address is that what you're
saying I'm trying to I'm learning today too yeah yeah so I will hold it at address when
they're they're at address and then I will just have them say okay try to start your
swing and they will really start to feel that they have to kind of move these things in
a certain way without you know because they can't really shift at that point they have
to kind of move some different stuff so once I kind of hold that club there a little bit
and they kind of start that you can start to see the remnants of the right hip starting
to go back a little bit and not to the side so hold the club head itself or the shaft
no the club head itself just kind of get down on your knees and just hold the club a little
bit and then just say hey move the club just a little bit and they will start to get a
sense of where that pressure is and if they start to shift you're like hey and then they
will start to get the feeling of getting that hip back behind them and getting that that
weight shift back in that right heel so does that does that help them feel because so many
people pick the club head up early they just use their hands to pick the club head up does
that help them at all basically get that feeling of kind of like I always talk about like left
shoulder starts the club back like your your big mouth absolutely because if I hold that
thing I can't really use my hands to move it away I'm gonna have to engage bigger muscles
to get that to kind of move so absolutely it gets that that left shoulder to move it
gets everything to kind of move in in one unit and standard as you said the hands just
flipping to the inside and and then you're really you're gonna get a lift and then no
pressure right no no it's all it's all upper body there's no there's no lower body engage
let's just pick your hands up and hey how come I'm not hitting it as far as I want well
you're not utilizing you know all your all your body type of stuff so that's good that's
a good one I don't think I've really kind of heard that one or seen that one so that's
good yeah it starts at the beginning right I mean if we can get it at the beginning part
right then it can go throughout but once you start to kind of get that lift right or that
slide then there's no pressure in those feet right yeah one of our buddies there Sean Van
Padden taught you know mostly by Tim Poults great teacher in the Zephyrals area his you
know his takeaway was always the grip moved first before the club head did that was always
a you know odd odd looking to us because we're so used to kind of having everything uniform
but his grip definitely moved you know maybe an inch to the right before his club head
started doing so his hands started moving laterally to the right and that really engaged
kind of the shoulder takeaway and then it just got him set up to be you know again kind
of more big big picture muscles big muscles instead of kind of small twitch muscles yeah
so he kind of drags the club back or drags his hands back before the club moves and that's
the person that kind of showed me that drill to be honest with you yeah yeah no it's good
stuff good stuff are you a divot guy or you do you care about the divot let's just talk
about depth not really where it's going side to side that might be a different one for
kind of club path and stuff but what do you do you take a divot you take more of a divot
with a wedge than you do with a seven iron or how does it change as you go throughout
the clubs maybe well I can say this I I do take a divot I like to take a divot I know
that when I compress the ball I've got a nice divot ahead of the ball and I can tell when
I don't hit it that divot starts probably just one-tenth of an inch behind it and it's
not the best result so I definitely want to have a divot I want to have it ahead of the
ball I probably don't have the longest divot as most people but if I can hit it with a
downward blow with an iron it's definitely compressed yeah yeah and then the driver is
what what's the thought process there with driver with in respect to I'm gonna use the
word low point like where the low point of your swing is because we're talking about
when you hit it when you have a divot there's a low point that is either like you just said
either slightly behind the golf ball I use the word equator equator is like right at
the golf ball you've kind of picked it perfectly clean there's no divot at all yeah or there's
a ball first and you start seeing a you know some type of length after that swing of divot
so with driver are you trying to do the same thing with the low point of the attack angle
no so I'm I'm trying to do something completely different with my low point on that I want
my low point to be before the ball typically what I do is I'll put a sleeve box a sleeve
box of balls behind right next to where my golf ball is and that's where I put my club
head behind the ball and that's where I want to imagine my low point to be and then after
that I want to feel like I'm swinging up to the gods yeah there you go yeah right left
shoulder going high and swinging up to the gods yeah I know you've done this one before
I'll do it here later on this afternoon but the head cover drill in front of the ball
you know really kind of making sure that you elevate the golf ball club club works up put
the put the you know started a foot out in front of it yeah started two feet out in front
of it I don't care but get the get the concept of working upwards with the driver with your
shoulders again the weight the weights got to be more on your right leg that that impact
and then it would be on the left leg yeah you're not looking for any type of divot before
you're trying to bottom out the swing roughly two to three inches behind the ball depends
a little bit on swing speed and what you're doing and I think if you got if you kind of
like went with that concept of I'm trying to bottom out two to three inches prior to
the golf ball you might get to one inch you know it's one of those exaggeration feels
correct feel versus real yeah yeah yeah but at least you were on the right track and you
weren't working downwards and then the key for the driver and again this is a you know
we got we don't have six hours we want to keep our audience coming back so you you also
have to maintain the loft of the club as it goes through impact you can't with driver
you can't you're not trying to add loft you're trying to add angle yes angle of attack so
yeah so the the hands do have to stay in front of the club head even though you are working
on an upward attack angle and that will help you drive through the golf ball you'll keep
just just think of it I think to me the easiest way it's not easy but the easiest way is to
think of you you've got a 10 degree object and when it makes impact with that golf ball
you still want to have in general you want to kind of have a feel of 10 degrees of impact
at the golf ball but when you add in the fact that you've swung two inches behind the ball
you're actually at you're actually making impact with roughly 12 to 14 degrees of kind
of the loft of the club has changed a little bit because your shoulders have changed not
because you've flipped your right hand added your right hand whatever you're not trying
to add loft that's I think that's really when people try to switch to driver and switch
to swing up on it this is where they get in trouble they try to start swinging up on it
and using their release of their hands and they just hit high they hit it shorter and
they're like ah this doesn't work let me go back to my other way well could you kind of
touch on now let me ask you this could you touch on you know we want to hit up on it
but could you explain to some of the listeners what that does and why we want to do it and
what that does to our spin rate I think that's pretty important for people to understand
with the driver can you kind of explain that a little bit for us 100% and again Byron Nelson
1955 he got it you know Ben Hogan got it like they understood it they just didn't have the
data analytics part of it behind them they just they saw the ball go out and roll forward
when they did one type of you know kind of delivery and then when they saw the ball go
up and land five feet from there where the ball you know it doesn't go to roll which
is a lot of our listeners because they'll maybe hit a little cut or a fade or slice
or whatever and yeah you're just gonna hit that like high spinny shot that just kind
of hits and stops on the ground so these guys got it you know 60 70 years ago now with Trackman
foresight flight scope I don't care you can you know data wise show the person hey and
it just it's it to me it is this simple and it's not simple but it is this simple as far
as I understand the concept it's simple delivery is a different thing yeah I'm hitting I'm
hitting a sand wedge from 70 yards my full swing sand wedge this goes 75 yards currently
whatever so that means I move the ball position back in my stance probably one one ball further
right of middle that enhances my downward attack angle that means I hit down into it
that means I take my 56 degree wedge I deliver it probably with around 48 degrees of loft
because my handles in front of the club my weight shifted I've never really gotten to
my right side all that stuff has happened which makes the I hit down into the ball the
ball spins up the face of the club and that's what is starting to cause the backspin to
make the ball go up in the air land on the green and depending on how good bad different
your conditions are and kind of your speed is you might actually see the ball hopefully
at least just hit the green and stop or tour level you'll see the ball kind of hit the
green and kind of spin back and yeah and that's that's a that's a sandwich so driver complete
opposite I don't want to have any of that concept I want to hit the ball on the with
the correct loft 12 to 14 degrees of loft as I come through it I want to have this kind
of attack angle when I'm working upwards into it so basically you would you would reduce
the spin on the shot so you know the more that I hit down into it the more it's going
to spin the less I hit down into it the more I hit up on it I'm going to reduce the amount
of spin that can be yeah that's big I think a lot of our viewers need to understand that
concept on its own right you know if I want to have spin I hit down if I want to have
less spin I hit up up yep right and yeah draws don't go further than then fades in the air
which is the common misperception that draws go further than fades on the ground because
the ball is got top spin and right to left spin so it's top spin coming out of the out
of the where it's coming off of you know the ball the club so it's in the air 200 yards
and then it's got forward momentum as it hits the ground and goes forward and goes left
oh I hit the ball 260 or 245 yeah great you carried it 220 but that's okay exactly we
don't care how far we carry driver typically we care about where it ends up so if you hit
a 220 yard fade it's probably going to go 224 yards once gets done if you hit a 220
yard draw with some right to left motion to it you're probably going to end up going 240
245 so that's why if you're trying to get more distance if you're working on hey I'm
getting a little older I'm not hitting as far as I want to then then maybe there's some
characteristics to delivering the club again sort of with a little less loft but still
still working upwards so because you're trying to read again draws have less spin than fades
period correct that's that's that's why tour players like to hit fades and into greens
and they're long enough they don't really care about what they do with the driver anymore
yeah yeah it's amazing so with our with our listeners with the driver what is the what
is you know when they get into the simulator or whatever it may be or their little track
man's at home or rat spodos or whatever what's the spin rate that they're typically you know
a tour player and an average player what are they kind of looking for with a spin rate
with the driver so they get some kind of understanding of where they're at yeah it so I feel like
when we do this we're talking to you know maybe five percent of the population maybe
ten percent of the population but to answer the question I would say in general depending
on speed of how fast you're swinging the golf club yeah you're looking for somewhere between
2400 and 3200 rpms right and basically you know it's very very you know not the golf
ball doesn't care so if you're swinging something at 120 miles an hour your spin rate should
be closer to that 2400 maybe even lower I mean there's definitely as you watch TV and
you watch the ball speed numbers and kind of the stuff that Rory's doing and all these
guys on tour they might be going calling more a cow might be going for 22,000 or 2100 because
he wants to see a lower ball flight he doesn't care about the height he wants to see it but
saying that and then so then just to finish that point then the guy the guy lady who's
swinging it driver at 90 miles an hour or or less they need they can't do it at two
at 2400 rpms because it would just never get in the air correct you got to have some kind
of you got to get the ball lifted yeah so you have to have some spin rate so that's
why forever or not forever for the last 20 years the companies realized okay well then
the senior guy the lady they probably need a 12 or a 14 degree driver instead of a seven
eight nine degree driver that's all it is right and that's to get into that angle that
we're talking about right of hitting it up and it as we as we age it's tougher to get
our body in those positions so I think that's great is that is that some of our listeners
need to kind of swallow a little pride and probably go to a little bit higher lofted
and I think I'm close to getting there myself so yeah no it's I mean again going back kind
of like almost college a little out of college high school you know not high school but kind
of the college to maybe the 1990 to like 2000 2005 there was the the driver for the long
drive guys and even some of the players on tour John Daly would be four five eight degrees
right if you were a good player back in 1995 you would be hitting a seven and a half or
an eight degree driver yeah but that's because you had the speed to deliver it with you could
you could make the speed of the club now I don't believe I haven't I think I'm accurate
with this statement I feel like that the loft on the clubs for the average tour player has
gone up to probably somewhere in between that nine to almost ten ten degree you know type
of and then you get to a senior tour player and they're probably ten to ten maybe to eleven
degrees because they they do they've kind of knackler they figured out that okay I do
want the ball to go up in the air but then when it comes off the you know from that apex
I needed to go forward or you know some pepper and that's what we see you know think us open
think think some of those golf courses that are set up like runways yeah where they're
you know they're hitting 375 yard drives like gryson those types of guys they're not carrying
at 375 they're still carrying at 325 but the fairways are mowed at you know 10 or whatever
faster than your pro course and you're down right yeah yeah green speed and that's why
it comes off and you can see and they Augusta Augusta is probably a really really good example
because people know that golf course they know some of the looks that's why number 10
it's such a it's a 470 yard par four yeah and they're hitting three with off the tee
because they want to get it into the slot into that little where the hill goes and they
wanted to roll forward they're trying to carry it 260 but it's going to end up going 320
after the roll yeah so yeah that's a speed slot right that little little speed slot to
get down there yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's just uh so you know big picture stuff get
your pressure correct move your pressure correct think about it in your golf swing start thinking
about go look up your youtube stuff go there's a ton of videos on all this stuff we should
start posting some more i definitely will i know i'm a slacker but i think the more
that we you know that and if you got questions same thing i'll be talking if you got questions
let us know yeah chat with us let us know we we want to we don't want to just tell you
what we're thinking we want some to answer your questions too so yeah yeah and if you
guys have any you know any suggestions for future episodes please let us know obviously
um but yeah you know we just don't want to sit up here and just talk to ourselves we
want to engage with our listeners and and listen to their comments and and see what
they have to say absolutely yeah so good stuff i thought you brought up a really good point
with the the golf ball and the spin rate a little bit um you know how the technology
with you know like john daily having that older club with the eight iron eight degree
stuff and i just think it's it's interesting now with track man and all that that these
guys have gone to these higher lofted clubs like you said um and they're just maximizing
everything i mean it's just a whole new frontier it's you know they'll they'll take a 10.5
degree driver where what probably 20 years ago you wouldn't find a pro caught dead with
one of those right no you know so they're just maximizing everything and just you know
just revolutionizing the game with everything i think i'm right with this stat i'm not i'm
not 100 sure but yesterday that drive that rory hit on number um on number 14 the par
five you know again i would literally go go look this one up because it was such an amazing
shot i think his apex of his driver was 145 feet in the air when that thing got to the
top of it um and that's just you know and again the announcer is like people i don't
think i've even seen that on the stat sheet of the ability to get it that high because
if we told our listeners to go hit it 145 yards if me and you go in or 145 feet in the
air we'd hit the ball 210 yards right like it would just be a pop-up yeah i mean that's
basically 14 stories high 15 stories i mean think about that i mean you go find a building
that's you know probably seven stories and i'd be lucky to get over that and and i mean
you got one that's 15 wow that's that's amazing that's absolutely amazing yeah put it in that
perspective yeah yeah and it just shows you what you know what what they're working on
and uh so it's it's uh it's all of it you know we've given you guys a ton of information
a lot of kind of data that's what i said at the beginning like this is one you want to
listen to you don't want to breeze through this one because this there's just a lot of
uh good kind of nuggets to all that um absolutely just to realize that yeah so uh work work
on your you know work on your how you start the swing like you said i like your drill
there t mac a lot i like that feeling of kind of you know using your arms and your shoulders
to start the swing but the pressure immediately goes from left to right really really early
in your backswing and then you know we've done this one before a little bit too but
then depending on which teacher depending on which kind of mode of thought you're listening
to when you get to the halfway point in that backswing these two moves can happen at the
same time you can lift your arms you know finish the shoulder turn and you can also
put that pressure from the right leg back into the left leg at the top here like before
you get to the top of your backswing those two things can happen at the same time i get
a lot of deer in the headlight books when i show that to people um but it's such a rhythm
thing i really like it to me i like it to just be a just put the club in my right hand
and let the weight of the club as i work up in my backswing be the thing that kind of
rocks me back to my left side so i'm already ready i'm ready i'm already atop my back swing
i'm already left i'm already left i can't try to get left from the top my backswing
i've got to already be in position to get to work the downswing because then it goes
to what you said the shaman pattern thing okay well now now what you do right you get
it you get you get your student up there okay great what do i do now yeah well now you go
that left foot stamps on the ground crushes ants um hold the ground with your foot like
that left foot like it drives into the ground yeah because when you start the downswing
and you get that left foot of the ground the next part of that downswing is to start pressing
off the ground with the left leg and get the left hip to go backwards so yep utilizing
those right there right absolutely and that's where you generate your power and force from
right i mean that's correct that's the main key and i think a lot of people waste a lot
of energy on the top part like you were talking about arm swing swinging around and they're
leaving or leaving probably 90 of their power source behind aren't they oh it's it's uh
go try to hit it go try to go you know go to i mean i don't know if you're going to
do this but go shoot a free throw with your legs straight just dead straight and no no
knee flex no knee bend just go shoot it and see what happens see if you just can make
a free throw with your arms and good luck i bet you don't even make it to the basket
nope nope though you have to use the ground to pressure to push off um so yeah i think
that's just such a simple good analogy yeah you know for people to get um sort of serving
in tennis is a good one too when you're going to make a serve overhanded not underhanded
but when you're going to make a serve in tennis uh you know you're going to press off the
ground you're going to throw the ball up and you're going to you're going to start with
your knees bent you're going to throw the ball up your legs are going to get straight
your arms are going to extend and you're going to hit down and do it absolutely yeah absolutely
you see them press into that ground just before they jump up and that's that's the motion
that we're talking about right there is is that pressing down just before you're about
to to to jump up basically uh volleyball go watch go watch college girls volleyball and
see them serve they're off the they're jumping off the ground to get to the apex of the ball
when they're serving yeah yeah it's not it's not sean and tim's theory like you know yeah
this is this is the deal this is how you play is how you play sports it's how athletes move
right yeah that's how athletes move and you know sometimes we we overthink it you know
as golfers thinking that we're not very much athletes but you you need to be athletic you
need to kind of move those legs and you're going to have a little bit of a squat feeling
on that left side right right it's it's funny like it's you know golf is a sport where you
where you can play it and don't have to be very athletic correct very very much like
a okay stop that when i say that but you can make contact hit the golf ball a certain distance
and kind of get it around probably shoot between 100 and 120 that's fine you might be able
to you might be able to chip and putt and shoot 100 but the levels that we're talking
about about trying to go from 190 i got hit a little further great you got to hit a little
straighter too from 90 to 80 okay now i got to hit uh more straighter i probably maybe
i have enough distance but i gotta hit more straighter uh then 80 to 70 is like okay that's
a whole different i gotta get now i gotta gain 15 yards because i gotta play par fives
and you know three shots and not not four shots and all that stuff that is just um so
it's a funny sport because so much of so many people can play it which is why we love it
yeah so all we're trying to do is tell you hey we know you're not going to take you know
go listen to the podcast we know you're not going to necessarily go to the range and work
on it for two hours but start thinking about some of these things when you warm it up in
front of the first tee what was t mac talking about oh yeah i gotta drag the club back i
get it my what's shawn talking about oh yeah i get my pressure back on the left side whatever
like whatever you whatever tidbits that you take from this yeah and you will start seeing
you'll be like oh my gosh they were right you know whatever yeah and you know if you
do take it out to the range and something isn't working you know send us a question
right you know we'd love to give clarification if you go out to the range and you're working
on something send us a little something or send us a video we'd love to see what you're
working on and doing we'll shoot you something back and say hey you need to clean this up
or this is looking great pal and and thanks for the support you know that's what we're
here for exactly so well i want to thank all of our listeners today i think that was a
great subject today shawn learned about the attack angle low point pressure points spin
rate and all that good stuff so is there anything else that you'd like to add before we break
for today uh honestly i think i think we covered a lot i think we covered a lot i think you
should try to take this in pieces don't try to do all of it go work on pressure shift
first and then maybe work on attack angle next and then work on kind of low point next
and then you know from there kind of figure out how to follow through and finish but uh
yeah just you know it's supposed to be a fun game yeah enjoy it absolutely absolutely so
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