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Get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf.

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Welcome back Dynamic Golf listeners.

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I'm your cohost, Tim McElvanagh and with me today is my fellow cohost, Sean Klotz.

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Today we're going to talk about an exciting conversation, the 2025 PGA show.

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Hey, Dynamic Golf listeners.

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Really good to hear your voice, Tim Mc, and just got back from the cold state of Florida.

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I don't know what happened last week.

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That was crazy.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Like we're, I mean, 49 of a high on Wednesday and, you know, my daughters have, they're

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up in Tallahassee and it's, there's snow.

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There's what, what's happening.

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Yeah, I heard about that.

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There was some snow up there and a good amount too, like a couple inches or something like

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that I heard.

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Four to five, four to five inches.

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It's unbelievable.

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Just so weird, you know, living in Tampa for 35 years and you're from your native and you

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know, it's just such a weird thing that doesn't happen in our world.

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No, no.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, the old saying is around here and I'm sure you've heard this around

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old Silverado.

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If it gets any colder, we're going to move to Florida.

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And that was definitely the theory that last week for sure.

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Yeah, no, no questions.

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So it was, it was a very, it was probably the weirdest, you know, weather wise demo

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day and PGA show that I literally ever attended.

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I was trying to talk to some of my members when I got back and they're like, how long

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you been going?

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I'm like, you know, I don't really know if I know that answer.

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I'm going to say at least 1998 would probably have been my first one.

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Wow.

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And I don't think I've missed a year since because it's, it's, and you've been to

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Mac and they had some family and some weather issues that you had to kind of deal with this

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week instead of being able to go.

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But you know, it is, it's a, it's a meeting place for just fellow PGA professionals.

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That's the, that's the kind of first thing.

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It is a way for the vendors to be able to show their new lines and show their new product.

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So that gets, you know, the public.

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And that's why I think we should talk quite a bit about today is really kind of like,

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you know, the guy who's sitting on the couch, the girl who's trying to get out and play

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this summer or the spring or whatever, like what, what do we kind of see?

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What's the, what are the new products?

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What are the new things that are, you know, for the public to kind of get excited about?

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Cause it is kind of an insider show.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's like a little, it's like a toy story for, for, you know, grown golfers, right?

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A lot, a lot of new hot topics, new technology.

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It's just, and you're right.

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It's a really cool place to kind of recharge your batteries for the PGA.

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You're meeting new people and just having that social interaction just gets you, you

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know, mentally, you know, you're just mentally charged up, you know, you're like, I'm ready

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to go be a PGA professional.

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And it's just, it's a, it's a great way to get together.

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You're right.

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It's so true.

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And it's, it's also my first year I've ever done it from being up north and not working.

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Like it's our kind of downtime up here, obviously, whereas, you know, we and you have been doing

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PGA shows and the state of Florida, like, you know, in the middle of our season in January

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for 15, 20 years.

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So it's just such a different kind of take on it.

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So it was different.

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We were able to kind of get a lot more accomplished than we normally can being in Florida.

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Cause again, and I talked to a couple of my fellow pros in the, from the Tampa area that

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I saw over there, saw Eric over at the river Hills and Duke Bowen, Duke Bowen is an old

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school guy that I used to know from the heritage Isles days.

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And you know, they can only spend a day over there because we've got to get back to your

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club.

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Your, your, your club is busy.

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Correct.

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You know, you know, and I think it's a great dynamic.

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What you're talking about is that from the Northern side, you know, being up there, you've

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got plenty of time.

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You've got the whole week to basically be there, kind of peruse around and cruise, you

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know, being, you know, for me, I didn't, I wasn't able to attend the show this year.

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I had a kind of a busy schedule, busy schedule, which is good.

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You know, it's always great to hear.

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I'd love to have gotten on over there, but, you know, just, it's a different time.

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You know, it's our season.

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A lot of people are expecting lessons, golf, stuff like that.

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And when the weather gets kind of bad, like it was and being an indoor simulator, I get

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a little bit busier because people are like, well, I can't go out and hit.

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So you know, for us it's, if you can get over for a half day or a day, that's a big accomplishment

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for pros and assistants here in this area for sure.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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Absolutely.

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So we started off with a demo day on Tuesday and that's usually a super fun time, you know,

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really kind of a good way to kind of, and it's changed throughout the years too, because

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of multiple reasons, but the clubs, the golf companies, they don't, they don't have such

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a presence as they used to.

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Were there any companies there that you, you didn't see was Taylor made, were all the big

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guys Taylor made Callaway, or was there anybody that you kind of saw missing out of the unit?

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Yeah, I don't think Taylor made was there.

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Now granted, let me, let me preface this with the fact that it was a morning, especially

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was a 51 degree pouring rain.

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Most of that morning, you know, kind of intermittent.

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It was disgusting.

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It was awful.

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It was.

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So, I mean, we got, we got there, whatever, right around nine, you know, parked super

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close, super easy to get in, which again, you know, from, again, some are listening,

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it was just kind of a good inside out to the kind of how these trade shows work.

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That doesn't happen.

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That's normally like an hour kind of process of parking, right?

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Trying to get in.

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So anyway, so we got in and we were there right around nine and you know, it's, it's

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raining, it's, it's not super fun.

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It's cold.

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The vendors aren't thrilled.

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They're not into it, but we did see kind of, we stopped off at the Cleveland.

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One of my guys with me wanted to try some new wedges and it's just a great place to

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be able to try all the different wedges and grinds and different things.

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So we stopped off and saw some Cleveland product.

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They've got a new wedge.

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I hit a couple of 62 degrees and 64 degree clubs that you don't normally get to hit.

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Which you know, same thing, like we told the high school kids, you may not want to have

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that in your bag unless you kind of know how to do it.

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Yep.

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But the other thing is, is when you're with those guys, Sean, you learn a lot about the

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product and you learn, you know, you, you learn something new, not just about the product,

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but how the product is used, right?

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You know, like you kind of go, Oh, I didn't know you're, you're supposed to kind of do

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that with a wedge or a driver or something.

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You just get a little bit more knowledge and it's not, you know, you know, groundbreaking,

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but for professionals like us, it just gives us a little bit more of a crack into the window

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behind the scenes.

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You know what I mean?

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And I'm, I'm glad you said that.

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And part of the cool thing of our podcast team that cause we don't talk a lot before

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we don't have notes, we don't have a script.

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We just kind of go and that's where you want it to be.

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You know, and you just, you're leading right into something that we're going to talk about

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here in the next couple of minutes.

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But the Cleveland stuff, just real quick, cause to your point of like, you know, we

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think we are the, we are the industry experts.

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We are the professionals.

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We get it, but I'd never knew, didn't know whatever you want to call it.

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That the black finish on a club on a wedge, right?

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So you typically with wedges, some of the companies you have like the standard and like

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satin chrome will call it.

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Then you've got like this rusty raw tour grind finish.

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And then you've got the, yep.

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And then you got the kind of the black dollar finish.

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So I was always in the impression that the raw tour grind, the rusty one would spin more

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and the Cleveland reps said, Nope, that doesn't happen anymore.

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It it's the same amount of spin rate as a chrome or as a raw tour grind or a black.

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Really?

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I thought that was interesting, right?

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Like that's, that's not something I knew before walking in the door.

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Well that's what I mean.

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You remember the old saying, old trusty rusty, right?

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You get that old rusty thing and you thought it just spun like crazy, but that's amazing

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that they're, they're, they're getting down to the science of that now.

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And then the other thing is like the black, you know, again, some people like the black

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dollar finish on their wedges.

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They're like Cleveland's making a concerted effort and they said like the black won't

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go away now.

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Like it won't become kind of that, you know, whiter brown.

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So then you get kind of two colors in your wedge.

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They really made a concerted effort to make sure that that finish is staying there throughout

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your life of your wedge.

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That's great.

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Now did he kind of explain why I know why I like the black finish, but did he kind

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of explain why some of the people are, are gravitating towards that color?

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Yeah, you know, it's same, probably the same reason as you just, it's, it's just a aesthetic

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looking type of feel.

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Um, do you, do you like to, you know, not to maybe reflect the sun a little bit or not

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to look back at it?

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Is that kind of your reasoning?

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Yeah, I've always had a problem with, uh, when I get into the bunker looking at that

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high shiny finish, it distracts me.

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Um, so when I get that dull finish, I don't, you know, it's just, it, the contrast against

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the sand, it just makes it easier for me.

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Um, but I've always been one of those people, the bright, shiny thing, you know, shiny things

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attract me and I get distracted very easily.

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You're like Dory.

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You're like Dory in Little Nemo.

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About the same memory pattern too.

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Uh, it's great.

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So, uh, yeah.

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So, you know, just, just that one interaction right there was kind of worth the price of

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admission, but, uh, from there we kind of started walking over to a couple, a couple

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of other vendors and again, the size of it was smaller.

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The number of vendors was smaller.

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Uh, the number of attendees was smaller, all weather related.

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It has to be weather related because it was just such a dreary day in the, in Florida.

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But, uh, we were able to kind of, again, my buddy's looking for wedges.

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We can like, Hey, let's go look at the Vokey's.

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Um, and we just kind of wanted to see what their product was.

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They usually have a nice kind of a bigger chipping area than some of the other companies

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are have access to.

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Um, and it's actually, you know, a little more playable because some of the, even at

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Cleveland you're chipping off of tight grass, go into a downhill green and you're like,

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well, it's really not spinning or checking.

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Well, if you go to the other side of the green, it might check better.

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Did they have you guys over?

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Did they have the little demo thing over there in that little tiny putting green behind the

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the pavilion or whatever it is that we're, yeah.

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So we didn't, we didn't make it to that corner.

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We kind of got, came in from the other side and, um, it was, again, we didn't really,

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we probably saw a third of this, uh, demo day cause we just, it was, we selfishly, we

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did go play golf at one o'clock and you guys did.

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So God bless you.

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We did get some golf and, um, that's another story, but basically the golf was perfect.

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It was the only time it did not rain on Tuesday was between one, one PM and five PM.

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So literally perfect.

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Great.

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Uh, couldn't have worked out any better, but, um, so we'd make our way over to the, to the

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title of stereo and you kind of see a little crowd over there and you're kind of like,

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what's going on?

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And you kind of know maybe there's somebody over there.

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So it's, it's Brad Fox and who is, you know, I don't know.

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I didn't know how many times he's won on PGA tour, but just known as a short game, you

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know, not guru, but just such a great short game player.

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One of the best putters that probably has ever played on the PGA tour.

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That's not overstating that.

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And Rory McRoy is putting coach, right?

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Oh yeah.

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Didn't even put that together.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's, I mean, I watch all his videos when he's working with Rory all the time.

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So, so yeah, that's not that.

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I mean, Brad Faxon is a great coach for that.

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So you're right on that.

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Yeah.

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So that's, that's again, the kind of thing that you get to at the PGA show at the demo

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days, you get this access that you don't get on a normal basis.

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And Faxon is a Rhode Island guy.

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So that's a big thing.

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It's my head pro who's, you know, Massachusetts guy and you know, being from, from PVD in

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Boston originally, you know, so I knew Faxon kind of growing up, he always kind of followed

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his career.

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But the thing about, it's such a, you know, high level type of conversation, like the

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thing about tour players or people that are at that level, they just have such a great

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understanding of all the intricacies of all the game part of it.

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They're just on such a different level.

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And you kind of wonder, you know, as a 15 handicap player listening to this top podcast,

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like, well, that's great.

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How does it help me?

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Yeah.

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They did such a great job of like, I'm going to use the word like dumbing it down, even

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to, you know, all of us who are kind of PGA professionals watching this thing of the difference

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of there's 27 different wedges that titles makes 27 different wedges that titles makes

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not know that.

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Holy cow.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And the guy with them was the tour fitting wedge guy out on tour.

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So he's working with Adam Scott.

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He's working with, uh, yeah, just, I mean, all the tour players hang out in that van

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for a day.

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I bet you see some amazing people.

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Wow.

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So, you know, again, it's, it's a little bit like my boss has a great saying, um, that

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he's like, look, I don't need to know how, how the car works.

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I just need to be able to drive the car.

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Like that's such a good saying in golf in general.

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Like, and fax and he's got the, um, he understands the mechanics of how to drive the car, but

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he also just knows how to drive the car.

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Meaning like he was still kind of questioning the tour representative of like, okay, so what

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I've got four different grinds in a 54 degree.

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I've got an F a D at X and a Y or S and a Y.

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Why is the F grind kind of served me better than the D grind or what, you know, like those

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types of conversations.

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And so there's, there's that component.

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Then there's a, okay, what's the bounce?

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What bounce should I always hit?

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Which is a really good, I think it's just such a misunderstood and I definitely learned

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a lot that day, that for that 45 minutes of what bounce you should hit.

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Um, and I think the best way to simplify it for our listeners is that you essentially

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on a 50, so this, this tour rep, um, I think his name was Aaron, he, he calls sand wedges

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54, 55 and 56 degrees.

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Those are sand wedges.

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Okay.

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And he calls lob wedges 58, 60, 62, 64.

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So the simplification of it for the listeners, if you're hitting a 54, 55, 56, or you wedge

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in general in, you know, again, there's a ton of different factors.

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You should look for a club that has more bounce 10, 12, even up to 14 degrees of bounce on

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your wedge.

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Okay.

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Does the turf have anything to do with that at all?

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Is that

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100% yeah, turf interaction, you know, kind of how you come into it steep or, or inside

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out there talking about, they even kind of got into some trackman numbers.

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Like is your path inside out?

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Well, if your path is more inside out, you want to have more bounce, less bounce, whatever

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the thing is, but to kind of, kind of narrow it down for the, for the listeners, sand wedges,

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you want to have more bounce.

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So at least look at 10 and maybe 12, but probably 10 is, and they'd said this to you like 10

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is the more versatile bounce for the majority of conditions, the bunker being different,

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I know, whatever.

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So 54, 56 degree 10.

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And then if you get to a 60 degree club, you have a lot of wedge.

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That's the club you want less bounce in.

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You want to have four, six, or maybe eight degrees of bounce again, sort of depending

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on how you come into it.

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I think that should just help our listeners in general.

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Like, okay, now I've got a clue.

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And then, you know, and then the grind is like, the grind is, you know, it's like, like,

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see there a kind of a bigger soul or a narrower soul for lack of a better terms.

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Correct.

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Faxon was just saying like, look, he picked up a club.

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He's like, I don't like the look of that.

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And the guy Aaron said, don't pick it up then.

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Like if you don't like the look of it automatically, don't try to manipulate it and make it work

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for you.

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You got to like the look of how it sits on the ground to benefit you.

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So we could do, we could do two hours on bounce and grind and wedges and you know, let's just

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make it simple for the listener.

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Sand wedges, more bounce, lob wedges, less bounce.

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And then our last thing I'll lead with, which I don't think you do this better than I do

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in general.

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And again, it's a little bit because of where I grew up, but Faxon's main leading statement

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was he wants less air, more roll, period.

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And we've talked about that before, as far as how we teach people.

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It's so much safer to hit something on the ground than it is to try to carry it to a

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target.

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Yes.

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Do you see that in your teaching?

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Right?

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You see that in the people you play with?

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Absolutely.

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It's, it's so much tougher to control.

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Once the ball gets up in the air, it's so much tougher to control that and determine

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where it's going to land and how it's going to react compared to on the ground.

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You've got a much more stable reaction with the ground.

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You get more interaction.

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You know, what's going to happen nine times out of 10, right?

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But you know, we see on tour, everybody's throwing it up high and soft and we think

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we can do that.

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And it's just not practical for the amateur.

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So, and he addressed that too.

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Like he basically said that like, you know, because they made him, they made him hit a

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58 degree flop shot and he hated it.

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He's like, he goes, ah, you better watch out like people on the side because I don't hit

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the shot too often.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And of course he executed it with an, you know, eight feet of the flag and it was high

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and floppy.

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But the kind of takeaway from it was he was, he took that same 58 degree club and I wish

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we had some, you know, this is maybe where we can do some YouTube stuff in the future.

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He hit that club so low, it was coming out so low and it would, it would do the bounce,

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bounce check type of stuff.

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But it would, it would be probably a 30 yard golf shot in general from where he was to

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where the flag was maybe 25 to 30 yards.

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But his first, his first bounce was probably around seven or eight yards off the, you know,

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from where he was at.

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And then it rolled out the rest of the, you know, 18 feet type of thing.

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Yeah, sorry.

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18 yards.

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It was, it was like, again, Scott and I were looking at each other and you're just like,

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wow, we don't hit that shot.

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Like how do you even hit that shot?

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Yeah.

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Cause I mean, I'd probably be hitting like with, if it's seven yards with 18 yards a

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roll, I'm probably hitting like a nine or a pitching wedge.

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Something that's a little bit, that's amazing.

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That's just great hands.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that was, I mean, that was just one part.

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I'm just that Tuesday, I'm a Tuesday morning at 10 o'clock before I even, you know, we're

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talking about this thing.

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So it's, it was great.

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We, we did, we're going to put the, the, um, video that I made for that on, on our YouTube

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account.

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So I think that'd be a good way for people to kind of check it out and follow of the

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facts and thing.

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I think that was, uh, I think I was telling you, we've got already a thousand views on

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our Instagram page and stuff.

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So it's a, it's just a, it was, you know, whatever two minutes long, I could have put,

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I could have taped the half an hour of it type of thing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just so much, so many good details in there.

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But you know, the thing I really like about what you're saying is how much, you know,

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and I think some of our amateurs could kind of learn from this, but you know, he really

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asked a lot of good questions though.

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I mean, he's, he's digging into it.

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He's trying to figure out what's going to be best for his game.

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And I like that, you know, for a guy like him, he's really thinking about what are the,

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all the options I have?

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What do I like?

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And not just what's going to be best for him, but also what's, you know, aesthetically appeasing

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for him too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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A hundred percent.

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A hundred percent.

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Definitely.

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So that was, that was just the first part.

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And then the next part I'll tell you to share a quick about the demo day thing was, uh,

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so literally walk 10 steps over inside in a tent.

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We would kind of work with there cause it was starting to rain.

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Um, Stacey Lewis, who was the Solheim Cup captain.

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Oh yeah.

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She was, she was given a speech or a talk and being interviewed by Laura from, I remember

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Laura's last name from the golf channel.

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Um, but interviewed by her and I've got some video of that too, TMAC.

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I think we should post that on our YouTube channel.

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That'd be great.

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That's a good wealth of knowledge too right there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so good.

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Just kind of some of the takeaways there were, you know, like how did you, how did you get

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asked to do the Solheim Cup?

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Like what was your responsibilities as a captain?

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Um, who, you know, what, where'd you, where'd you put your emphasis?

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How'd you get your team to stay together?

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So I think that'd be really good for, you know, people that might be interested in that

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to kind of go listen to that and watch that.

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Yeah.

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Um, and then she talked about branding.

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She talked about how to brand herself as a PGA player, you know, how important it is

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to, you know, great to have the, the, the abilities and stuff, but you have to kind

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of make yourself different and separate yourself from other players on tour.

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And how does that happen?

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Uh, she's a new, well, she's a mom, I guess.

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So she kind of talked about playing on tour as being a mom and how the responsibility

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of that goes.

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So, you know, great, just unbelievable.

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And she's so well-spoken and just, you know, very easy to talk to it seemed like.

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So that was a cool, you know, other half hour.

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That's great.

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You know, and I think that's kind of comes back to what we talked about with branding

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is that, um, as PGA professionals, we're, you know, we're not just trying to sell you

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a swing.

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We're trying to sell ourselves, right?

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We're trying to show you that we do care and that we do have a wealth of knowledge and

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that we're more than just, you know, a guy that can teach you how to swing or how to

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play or how to putt, but we really want to kind of improve your game.

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Right.

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And I think that goes back to branding is that we want to have a brand that when people

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look at us, we want to get, they want to say, Hey, I want you to go to my instructor, you

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know, not just, yeah, the term that I've kind of gotten, you know, I've heard a lot because

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we've been doing a lot of, um, continuing education points.

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So videos through the PGA and PGA coach is such a good resource for our students to try

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to access us.

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I think you use PGA coach pretty well, don't you?

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Yeah, I use it a lot.

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I love it.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So, uh, it's the relationships, right?

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That's what we're trying to build.

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We're trying to build relationships.

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We don't want to be a one-time instructor.

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We don't want to be a, you know, let me fix you on this particular day we need.

472
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,120
And it's, you know, it's not all monetarily driven, but it is obviously like, Hey, um,

473
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,440
if I can build a relationship with you, if I can really change you from a 20 handicap

474
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,960
golfer to a 15 handicap golfer in a season, that's going to take a couple of sessions,

475
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,000
multiple sessions going on the golf course plan, evaluating your golf game.

476
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,280
Cause what you think is the bad part of your game and what I watch when I see you play

477
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,080
oftentimes two different things.

478
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,080
Correct.

479
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,200
You know, uh, like going to the doctor and saying, Hey, um, I've got, you know, I've

480
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,120
got, uh, uh, I've got sciatic nerve pain in my back.

481
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,400
Oh, you're, you're, you're a golf pro.

482
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,400
How would you know?

483
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,200
Like, why wouldn't you let the doctor evaluate you and tell you what you have as a, as a,

484
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,680
but we do it the opposite, right?

485
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480
In our world, we're like, so what's going on with your game?

486
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,720
What do you want to work on?

487
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480
I want to get more consistent.

488
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,440
Well, does that really improve your golf?

489
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,440
Like, does that really make your golf game?

490
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,440
You're telling us what's wrong rather than us, you know, let us evaluate it and let me

491
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,240
tell you what I think you should work on.

492
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,240
Yeah.

493
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,320
Every student I think I get, uh, has already given themselves a site, a self diagnosis

494
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,080
of what's wrong and they're going to give you, you know, here's what I need to fix.

495
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,400
And you look at it and you're like, you know, I think you bring a great point.

496
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,400
You know, they'll be like, well, I want to get more consistent and strike the ball better.

497
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,400
And I'm like, well, how many balls did you lose in a round?

498
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,800
I didn't lose any.

499
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,280
And I'm like, well, how many putts did we have?

500
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,920
Well, we had like 35 putts and I'm thinking, why are we here on the track, man, trying

501
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,920
to pound balls?

502
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,200
We need to be on the putty green working on our stroke.

503
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,840
But you know, people, you know, as, as people do, we self diagnose and we kind of look at

504
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,600
things the way we want to look at them and not the way that a professional would look

505
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,600
at them.

506
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Right.

507
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,600
Right.

508
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,600
No.

509
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,600
So it was just, you know, a little side note.

510
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,840
We always go down that side note, but we just get kind of shows you how important it is.

511
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,400
Cause we seem to all of our conversations do end up leading to that.

512
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,160
Like, you know, let, uh, be open minded.

513
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,920
You know, and I'll say this about the fax and thing, um, that was really good and kind

514
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,280
of in a club fitting world.

515
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,160
Cause he, they kind of mentioned some club fitting.

516
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,080
They the guy, Aaron, the tour representative was like the best way for me to get you fit

517
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,360
for golf clubs is for me to put stuff in your hand.

518
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,680
You not know what it is on the bottom of it.

519
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,840
And let me just have you see, and you hit shots and you're going to know heat.

520
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,400
Faxon is going to know within two or three shots might take us four or five, but they

521
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,320
definitely mentioned that like go to a, go to a wedge fitting, go to a store.

522
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,320
You'll see the numbers.

523
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,320
You'll feel it.

524
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,640
You'll, you know, ideally probably wedges are probably best fit outside.

525
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,120
Um, but you, you're going to get fit and who cares what's on the bottom of the club.

526
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,120
Yeah.

527
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,120
Nobody's paying you.

528
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,120
Correct.

529
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,120
Get it.

530
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,120
Correct.

531
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,120
Get it.

532
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,120
Get it.

533
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,120
I don't care if it's Sean and Tim's wedge game.

534
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:53,120
Who cares?

535
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,920
Like get the thing, get the thing in your hands, the feel of the field, the weight,

536
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,320
the shaft, the head, the grind, the bounce, all of it, see how it comes out.

537
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,480
And you may not like the lower ball flight.

538
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,560
You might be a little higher ball flight guy.

539
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,560
Great.

540
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Then go to a 56 degree wedge instead of a 54 degree wedge.

541
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,200
It doesn't matter.

542
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,200
The ball doesn't care.

543
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,200
The score doesn't matter.

544
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,200
Yeah.

545
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,000
Do what he's going to get that ball in the hole as quick as possible.

546
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000
So yeah.

547
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Yeah.

548
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
And that brings me back to, to an old podcast that we did with Sean van Patten.

549
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,720
So if any of our listeners are listening about the club fitting, he did a great job about

550
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,720
that.

551
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,200
You bring up a great point about, you know, uh, the weight of the club.

552
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,200
You know, I remember Sean talking about that.

553
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,960
A lot of our students don't pay attention to what the overall weight of the club is.

554
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,360
They just kind of grab it off the thing and you know, all my buddy swings a, you know,

555
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,880
a 95 gram or 120 gram shaft.

556
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,880
So it's good for me.

557
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,480
You know, I think that's great about a wedge fitting is that you not only learned about

558
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,320
the bounce, the head and all that, but you also start learning about what your shaft

559
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600
weight should be, the flex.

560
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,160
It's just so in depth, right?

561
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,880
And it's just a part of the game that you got to be so good at.

562
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,880
Right?

563
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,240
I mean, you know, when you look at guys that win the U S open like Bryce and DeChambeau,

564
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,360
what was the shot that he hit that great wedge shot?

565
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:06,360
Bunker shot.

566
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:07,360
Absolutely bunker shot.

567
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,720
You know, it's a, it's a wedge shot, you know, that wins tournaments.

568
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,840
So yeah, no question.

569
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Yeah.

570
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,720
So that was, that was an amazing two hours, let alone, you know, so we'll just kind of

571
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,360
move on so we don't make this a four hour podcast, but uh, so, you know, yeah, we can

572
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:28,240
talk about that for a while, but uh, Wednesday, Thursday was going to the PGA show itself.

573
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,960
It's at the orange County convention center.

574
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,760
It's a mile long, you know, mile long building.

575
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,280
You've been there multiple times.

576
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,960
You've seen the, uh, the festivities, the kind of energy that's created on Wednesday,

577
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,040
the opening bell we'll call it.

578
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,160
And there's, there's so many people there on Wednesday, Thursday was more, was less,

579
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,520
but it's just the energy on Wednesday is, is really outstanding.

580
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Um, and again, kind of a TMAC, this is a weird thing to say to you, cause this is because

581
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,440
you mean you've known each other a long time.

582
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:07,160
I went to, to the PGA golf show on Wednesday and Thursday and I hit, I hit one putter and

583
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,480
I did not see another golf club the entire time.

584
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,480
Really?

585
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,000
They, they are, they're there.

586
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,000
They were there.

587
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,000
It's just this, this, this version of the show for myself and my head professional,

588
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:25,480
we were looking for specific certain items, uh, that are going to come back into the shop.

589
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,920
We're going to sell better.

590
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,360
We're looking for tournament gifts.

591
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,880
We're looking for, uh, different things that we can bring into the shop.

592
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,960
That might be something different that the, yeah, unique little gifts for customers.

593
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Right.

594
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,960
Yeah.

595
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,960
Yeah.

596
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,680
So we had, we had a couple of meetings set up.

597
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,680
We had, I think we saw about 55 vendors on Wednesday and we made a list and you start

598
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,680
from, you know, the left side of the building and you go to the right.

599
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,680
And the next day we started on the right side of the building and went to the left and,

600
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,280
um, uh, six different head cover companies, TMAC, six different head cover companies.

601
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,280
Wow.

602
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,720
But there, there's like different price points that you can go and head covers are normal

603
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,760
retail head covers around $49 for one club, for the driver or whatever.

604
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,840
And then we saw, we could actually have three price points for head covers.

605
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,720
You could have a $49 one, you could have a $75 one and you could have a $110 one, which

606
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:25,240
sounds super expensive and it is, but the customization, well, the customization, think

607
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,280
about what people are doing with their drivers, making them different colors.

608
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,640
You know, think about how your car is built now.

609
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Like there's so much customization in the world that to get a hundred dollar head cover

610
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:42,280
that says Ross on it on the front and it's got a portrait of Donald Ross and you could

611
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:50,200
put, you know, 1898 in a leather green smells like feels like inside is beautiful.

612
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,520
Like I know it's, I know it's a head cover and I'm getting excited about a head cover,

613
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,200
but it's just, there's, there's cool products out there that you would never be able to

614
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,560
see on amazon.com or whatever.

615
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,560
You know,

616
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280
I'd like to touch on that just a little bit because I would like to say that I'm a little

617
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,520
bit of a head cover freak.

618
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Okay.

619
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,360
So yeah, I like buying, you know, uh, unique and exotic head covers.

620
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:18,160
I've got some pretty colorful, uh, head covers in my bag and I, you know, I love, I love

621
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,400
the uniqueness of it.

622
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,480
You know, when my bags in a row, I know what bags mine and I, and I, and I kind of like

623
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,160
it when people go, Hey man, that's a cool head cover.

624
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,600
You know, there's something about it.

625
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,720
You're like, Hey, I've got something that's kind of cool.

626
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,080
I've got something that's unique or somebody's like, Hey, I've never seen that before.

627
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,080
You like that.

628
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,080
You want to stand out.

629
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,320
You know, we're individuals and golf has been such a, you know, everything's the same for

630
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,320
so long.

631
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Everybody's boring.

632
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,580
It's plaid colors.

633
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:47,580
It's all this.

634
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:51,320
So now to have this customization, like you're talking about with your club or your company

635
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,480
or your logo, uh, I think it's just great.

636
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,200
And to be honest with you, I love all the, the unique colors are coming out in the head

637
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880
covers and, and yeah, I'm a little bit of a head cover freak.

638
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,880
That's good.

639
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:02,880
Yeah.

640
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,880
Learn more about you today.

641
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Yeah, there you go.

642
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,840
But I mean, people with Scotty Cameron putters, they will go by those putter, those head covers

643
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,640
or whatever multiple, you know, two, three hours.

644
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Sometimes it costs as much as the putter.

645
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Yep.

646
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Yep.

647
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Yeah.

648
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Cause it's unique and different and one of a kind or whatever.

649
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
So, um, so yeah, you multiply the head cover conversation.

650
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,920
We just had the courses with, uh, just so many different things, bag tags for your golf

651
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,920
bag.

652
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Um, clothes, junior clothing.

653
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,880
We went to like three different junior clothing cause we have a lot of juniors and a lot of

654
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,480
kids are starting to get into it.

655
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,680
That's a big industry too.

656
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,000
That's blown up in the last decade.

657
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Hasn't it?

658
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,080
Most of the time it was just like, Hey, little junior is going to wear whatever he wants,

659
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,920
you know, collared shirt that's hotter than heck and some, you know, so it, yeah, it's

660
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,200
and the toy, the, the, the, the training aids they have for kids now too is amazing too.

661
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,200
Yep.

662
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Yep.

663
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,120
No, it's a, I did actually walk by snag golf.

664
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,120
You know what snag golf is?

665
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Yes.

666
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Yep.

667
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,120
It's pretty good.

668
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,800
So snag golf is essentially their target audiences between three years old up to 12 years old,

669
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,600
I think is what the number was.

670
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Um, just kind of a fun, you know, colorful big club.

671
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,120
The club that's huge.

672
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Yeah.

673
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,320
The ball is kind of like a, almost like a tennis ball feel kind of a nerf ball thing

674
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,800
that you can chip and you know, I mean, colorful, first of all, face awareness.

675
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,760
It sounds silly, but it's not, I think I should get a couple of those clubs for the adult

676
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,760
people that we teach.

677
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,760
Absolutely.

678
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,280
And then what the rotation of the club face is doing.

679
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,600
Um, just, you know, but again, just like you wouldn't just normally see that in a normal

680
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,600
store.

681
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,240
So, um, that was good.

682
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,840
I did see probably one of my favorite items I saw was, uh, so, you know, little tech gadget

683
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,440
guy with the simulator and all they call that.

684
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Um, I think we might've seen something like this about a year ago, but basically it was

685
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,920
a, uh, insole that you put into your shoes and then it connects through Bluetooth to

686
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,920
your phone.

687
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,400
And as you take the video of your swing, it's going to show you the pressure mapping of

688
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,120
your, how your footwork is happening throughout the swing.

689
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,120
That's big.

690
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,160
I mean, amazing team act so much fun to kind of watch.

691
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,040
And they, and they have like a tour player on there.

692
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:25,680
So the, the, how the pressure shifts from front to left, left to right, um, on the backswing

693
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,320
as the, as you start your downswing, as you get to impact after impact and it's, it's

694
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,200
measuring it in the percentages of your weight on your left or right foot at these different

695
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,200
positions.

696
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Um, so kind of one of the more glaring things that I'm like, I kind of knew, and I thought

697
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,360
we've talked about it before too, but you didn't really see it.

698
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,760
So I think it was, um, I think it was Matt Fitzpatrick.

699
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,880
I could be wrong with that.

700
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Who was the pro that was, they were using as the kind of model for this, uh, insole.

701
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,800
And the bottom line is again, kind of big picture thing for our listeners at impact

702
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,400
with his driver, he had 0% of his body weight on his front leg.

703
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Zero.

704
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Wow.

705
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:15,080
His left foot, right handed golfer, his left foot was essentially not connected to the

706
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:20,440
ground or there was no pressure on his left foot at impact with a driver.

707
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,080
I want to say that a couple more times to make sure people get that.

708
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Right.

709
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Like, you know, traditionally you're taught to, okay, shift your weight from your front

710
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520
or back leg to your front leg and make sure you get it, get to a good finish.

711
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:42,120
But you know, at impact 0% now as he gets the club past impact, it starts to shift back

712
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,560
a little bit to his left side.

713
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,520
And then at the top of his follow through, he's back to probably kind of like that 96%

714
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,040
of his weight on his left side and 4% of his weight on his right side.

715
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840
Wow.

716
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,080
So I think I'm excited to kind of put that into action.

717
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,840
I was at the, I was literally at the gym this morning, working on that a little bit in my

718
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,720
head and I'm like, okay, well, that, you know, what I saw there in the, on that 3d image

719
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
was like, oh my gosh, he's got 0% of his weight on his front leg.

720
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,080
So yeah.

721
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Yeah.

722
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,680
That's pretty mind blowing to be honest, as an instructor, we're definitely taught, hey,

723
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,160
we need to get that weight onto that left side to start us going.

724
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,840
But that's that, you know, but there again, we're getting into new technology.

725
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,600
That's just unraveling a lot of mysteries that we've had as instructors for decades.

726
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Right?

727
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,400
I mean, track has definitely helped us and helped our students significantly.

728
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Yeah, that's correct.

729
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,480
And yeah, I mean, they, they had it on there for putting like showing you your pressure

730
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,880
mapping and putting, which you wouldn't think would be that big of a thing.

731
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,160
But you know, my God, I watched the LPGA girl who was doing that.

732
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,600
I'm like, oh, that's an interesting take on it.

733
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Yeah.

734
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,360
So what was the name of this product?

735
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Did you remember what the name of it was?

736
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,280
Well, so I think I have that.

737
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,080
It was, I don't know if I have it top of my head.

738
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
I can, maybe we can share that with our listeners.

739
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,440
I, I scrolled through, again, we, when you go there, you do the QR codes of these companies.

740
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,800
So I probably have about 90 in my phone.

741
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,000
We'll put a link in the descriptions below for our, for our listeners when we're done.

742
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Yeah.

743
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,720
And I do know that the, I'm going to say the retail price on the one, if you got an insole

744
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,280
for yourself would be $600.

745
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Okay.

746
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680
So pretty expensive, pretty, pretty healthy.

747
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,680
It's 600 bucks now.

748
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Is there an annual subscription that came with that?

749
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,920
You know?

750
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,960
No, no, no, it's, it's square.

751
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:45,400
But the, the, you know, the caveat for us as PGA professionals is you could buy four

752
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,040
of them, so different sizes, cause they have to, they do have some different size issues.

753
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Oh, that's 600 bucks a pop, yeah.

754
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,480
$1,300.

755
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Oh.

756
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,200
And now you come back to the business side of it.

757
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Okay.

758
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Now how do I monetize that?

759
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,680
How do I actually make that?

760
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Now I give you a lesson, right?

761
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,280
And then you leave and I got five minutes before my next lesson.

762
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,800
Now we've got a, to me, I kind of picture like the bowling alley.

763
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,760
Like I've got to clean that, sanitize it, get it ready for the next gentleman or next

764
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,760
lady coming in.

765
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,760
So there was a little bit of some stuff in there like, uh, you may not have figured this

766
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,040
all out just yet, but, uh, again, just from the technological side, very cool product,

767
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,680
very excited, you know?

768
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Well, I think, I think you also bring up a really good point when you have clients and

769
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,840
they go, well, can I get that lesson for a little cheaper?

770
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,840
Do you do a better deal?

771
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,000
And I'm thinking, you know, as much as we put out for equipment and do all this stuff,

772
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,120
there is some back, back cost for it.

773
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,000
So you know, that it justifies why we charge.

774
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,360
It's just not cause we, we want to over price or anything like that.

775
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,200
We've got a lot of equipment that we've invested in.

776
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,200
Yeah.

777
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Track man's 20 grand period.

778
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Yeah.

779
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,640
I think it's 30 grand, isn't it now?

780
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,360
No, it's, it's, well, it could be, but I think it's, you know, it's somewhere between 20

781
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,560
and 30 and, you know, yeah, we don't, we could go into that little world, but you know, we

782
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,000
did, it took us, cost us $8,000 to become a PGA member.

783
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680
You know, there's some time and effort into what we do.

784
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,280
So we absolutely easily.

785
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,280
Yeah.

786
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,280
Yeah.

787
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640
I just don't want to go down that road.

788
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,640
Let's stick to this.

789
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,880
So let's, let's move on to apparel because I know apparel is a big part of what you like

790
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,880
to do.

791
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,720
You're a big, big person for apparel with merchandise.

792
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:30,160
Did you see anything as far as, you know, like winter gear or summer gear or rain gear

793
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,240
that might be coming out that might be really cool for listeners or anything like that?

794
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,240
Yeah.

795
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:36,240
Yeah.

796
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:41,600
I mean, first thing is different shopping for Massachusetts than shopping for Florida.

797
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Right.

798
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,800
That's a different thing.

799
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560
So we're, we're kind of looking for what you just said, kind of that outerwear.

800
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,840
You're looking for pieces that are, you know, somewhat reasonable and not probably a hundred

801
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,680
to $150 range, which at Silverado was not even an option to, you know, really have a

802
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,680
purchase.

803
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,280
So you look for, so I guess what you look for kind of the same thing I said about head

804
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,280
coverage, right?

805
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,280
You're looking for maybe your three different price points.

806
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280
Okay.

807
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,400
We're going to have a shirt in there for 69.99.

808
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,400
You're going to have a shirt in there for 89.99.

809
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,840
You're going to have a shirt in there for 109.99, that type of thing.

810
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,840
Yeah.

811
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,840
And then you multiply that too.

812
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:25,000
So, so to me, the answer to maybe your question is, uh, Johnny O is one of our favorite brands

813
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000
up here.

814
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Nice company.

815
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Yep.

816
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400
When coach York sent you a, sent you a shirt, was that a Johnny O?

817
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,400
Do you remember?

818
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,400
Yes, sir.

819
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,400
It was a Johnny O.

820
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,400
It was a nice shirt.

821
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,400
Beautiful shirt.

822
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Yeah.

823
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,720
So the texture, the materials, the kind of feels of these things is just so much elevated

824
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:46,040
compared to what, you know, what we used to, um, kind of hit or, you know, play with, uh,

825
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,240
I think there's, uh, sun mountain or sun ice, actually.

826
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:50,800
Sun ice was a nice brand.

827
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,880
That's kind of like a more of a outerwear piece.

828
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,080
Um, cause you still want it breathable.

829
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,960
You still want it kind of like lighter weight so you can play and swing and not have to

830
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,960
move so much.

831
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,400
Um, I think in the Florida world, we definitely went by the company.

832
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,720
I can't remember the exact name of it, but they, they are supposed to be the providers

833
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,680
to the LPGA for the shirt sleeves.

834
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,800
Didn't we do moderate day?

835
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:16,800
No, no.

836
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,840
Uh, well, moderate day is one, but this is the, uh, this is the one where you put the

837
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600
shirt sleeves on to kind of protect your, your screen.

838
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,600
Oh yeah.

839
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,360
The sunscreen, um, shirts or something like that.

840
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Yes.

841
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,360
Yeah.

842
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,360
Yep.

843
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:42,160
So yeah, so we, you know, Byron Nelson and some of these companies have like four or

844
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,800
five different under the same umbrella, which was like the Byron Nelson, Divots, uh, Munsing

845
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,800
wear.

846
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:54,040
They're all under the same umbrella, but, um, we, we probably, we've got a new buyer

847
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,640
coming into honor of staff.

848
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Her name is Alyssa.

849
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,840
She's going to be kind of doing more of that world.

850
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:05,240
Um, so we didn't specifically, you know, kind of set up, um, apparel meetings.

851
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,800
Um, but there's just a lot of different product and you, and again, you've done there, like

852
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,200
you walk down some of these aisles and you're like, how is this little company in this little

853
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:22,520
10 by 10 space going to make it worth versus, you know, a head or a puka or branded bills

854
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,520
or Imperial?

855
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,520
Like those are four hat companies that are bigger companies and how is this little one

856
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,000
that's in the back by the bathroom is going to make it with some, but you know, we've

857
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,560
also found some of those deals, even back in Silverado where they were, honestly, the

858
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,760
cost was like two 50, three 50 or some for $15 and they're for some of our clientele

859
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,760
are equally as good.

860
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,360
So it doesn't, you know, yeah, they've got their own unique little clientele that they

861
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,680
serve to, um, and they serve to them very well.

862
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,720
You know, I think, uh, you don't need the whole world to buy your product, but you just

863
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,360
need a small minority to really be dedicated to your company or, or to your product and

864
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,480
you can survive, you know, maybe not thrive, but you can survive.

865
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Right.

866
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Right.

867
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,480
Exactly.

868
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,480
Exactly.

869
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,480
Yeah.

870
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,120
So that was, uh, I'm trying to think of anything else that I saw that was really, well, could

871
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,120
you touch a little bit on, um, the camaraderie, right?

872
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,560
I mean, the big thing about it is when we go there, you know, who are some of the people

873
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,000
that we meet, you know, some of the things that we kind of do, I mean, at least for me,

874
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,840
every time I go there, I just, I get super charged up to be a PGA member.

875
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:27,840
You know what I mean?

876
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,560
You're just like, I'm ready to go face the world.

877
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:30,560
I'm excited.

878
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,720
I, you know, I'm, you know, I've gone to meetings or seen Brad Faxon or, you know, tested out

879
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,840
the new toys or seen the new apparel.

880
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,240
And you know, you just, it's just like a renewal for the year, right?

881
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:42,760
You're like, this will get me through the year.

882
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,760
I'm charged up.

883
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,180
I'm ready to go.

884
00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:49,320
And you just get, you know, for me, you get all these great mental conversations with

885
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,840
people and it just, for me, you just, you walk away smarter.

886
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,160
You walk away more intelligent and you know that you've got something more to give to

887
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
your clients and to your, and to your community.

888
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Yeah.

889
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,560
No question.

890
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,560
No question.

891
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,200
It's, I mean, the PGA is sometimes we downplay it on this podcast, but sometimes it's because

892
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,720
of our frustration with some of the things they do.

893
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:09,360
They're trying, I'm going to use that word.

894
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,360
They're trying.

895
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,360
The PGA in America is trying.

896
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,520
They've set up a lot of different programs for us as PGA professionals.

897
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,280
They also want to set up their, their goal is to make, you know, to, to improve the game,

898
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,280
to make the game better.

899
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,440
That's part of our goal is to grow the game really as, as the PGA professional.

900
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,560
So I think having this conversation here, I'm glad we're doing this today.

901
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,240
I think this is a great idea to kind of get the fresh, you know, vibes of that show running

902
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,640
into your, like I said, running into people that I hadn't seen in a year and just, and

903
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,040
we're all in the same boat.

904
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:50,280
Like we all understand the same hardships, difficulties, but also great things and relationships

905
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:57,600
that we have with our membership and the lifelong, you know, relationships we have with people.

906
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,480
Side note, Mr. Etheridge at Silverado Golf and Country Club, Ray Etheridge, one of our

907
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,960
great, great members.

908
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,840
I've known Ray since I was like 1990, 70.

909
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,680
He was 90 years old.

910
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,320
His wife called me and fortunately passed away from some complications this week.

911
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,760
But like, I think that's an important thing to talk about, T-Mac, because that's the,

912
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:23,560
the relationship building, the lifelong friends that we end up creating in our business.

913
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Absolutely.

914
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,720
You know, whether it's a member or a fellow PGA professional or a part kid that might

915
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:34,000
come back to you 10 years later and say, Hey, you know, Hey, T-Mac, thanks for being there

916
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000
for me.

917
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,760
You know, you're a really good role model.

918
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,800
You know, I really appreciate you guiding me through my little difficult adult or, you

919
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,760
know, teenage years.

920
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
So yeah, we, we, we're humble too, right?

921
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,080
I think that's another commonality typically of PGA professionals.

922
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,480
We're humble, but you know, the other thing is that what golf provides for us is a home

923
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,280
or a family away from a family, right?

924
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,520
I mean, people like Ray Etheridge that I've known for a number of years and his wife,

925
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Pat, great people.

926
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,240
You know, I can remember that, you know, he wouldn't just want to talk to me about golf

927
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,260
or, Hey, can I get a tip or anything like this?

928
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:13,000
It was more about how's your daughter doing?

929
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
How's your wife doing?

930
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
You know?

931
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Yeah, absolutely.

932
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,280
It could be a random conversation that had nothing to do with golf, but you know, you

933
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,600
enjoyed and you appreciated those conversations, especially coming from somebody who was well

934
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,800
into their nineties, um, getting a fresh perspective of what time was like then their perspective.

935
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,400
It might not be the same as yours, but you got to respect it and you got to enjoy it.

936
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Yep.

937
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Yep.

938
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,400
No, it's, it's so true.

939
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,040
So it's just a great meeting place for, um, for us as, you know, PGA professionals to

940
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,040
get to.

941
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,360
There's an online education available during his, during that week.

942
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Um, and even if you don't make it to the actual week or to the, uh, show there's online education.

943
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,600
Um, I, you know, I've said this for many years.

944
00:44:54,600 --> 00:45:00,000
I really still, as I go to it every year, I don't know why, I mean, you've talked about

945
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
this a little bit.

946
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,600
I don't know why they don't open up Friday or Saturday to the public.

947
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,600
Yeah.

948
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Charge 10 bucks a pit pop.

949
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,800
Let the public be able to get to that, have that money that's generated on that day goes

950
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,960
specifically to junior golf.

951
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,760
Or whatever, whatever you want to kind of do.

952
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,760
Yeah.

953
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,760
You know, make up a prize pool.

954
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,760
Yeah, absolutely.

955
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,320
Well, I mean, if, if I was the PGA commissioner or whatever for a day, that'd be one of those

956
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,400
things that would absolutely, it doesn't make any sense to keep it insular.

957
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Like why wouldn't we share this with everybody and get the people.

958
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,240
I know the golf channels there and they kind of do their deal and stuff and they do.

959
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:41,720
And it's just, it would just be so different to add that excitement and let everybody hear

960
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,280
and talk about what I'm talking about.

961
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Cause it's, it's great.

962
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,520
The game is great.

963
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,720
We play it for a reason.

964
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,000
We quit so much time into it.

965
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
You're a hundred percent right.

966
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:54,000
We, you know, fortunately, unfortunately we spend more time at our job than we do with

967
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,800
our family a lot of times.

968
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,960
And you know, so we're going to, yeah.

969
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,000
So it was, it was a great experience.

970
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,840
I, I can't, you know, like I thought I'd like to say, I like to encourage everybody to go,

971
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,840
but you can't.

972
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,440
The best we can do is kind of share our experiences with it and you know, keep, keep bringing

973
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,240
the information to the public and let them know what's going on.

974
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,240
Yeah.

975
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,240
Yeah.

976
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,240
I mean, I, I agree with you.

977
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:19,240
I wish they would open that up to the public.

978
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,440
I think, you know, I think if the public kind of saw what's, what's all behind the scenes

979
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,320
a little bit, one, they get a little bit more appreciation, two, they would get a little

980
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,320
bit more knowledge too.

981
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,560
I mean, you know, it just seems like the PGA show, it just seems to me, if I was a public

982
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,560
guy, it's like they're trying to hide something from me.

983
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,240
They're just trying to hold me back from, from something.

984
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,080
So I think you just open up the doors.

985
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,440
You just be a little bit more transparent on a Friday or, or, you know, maybe started

986
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,800
at noon on Thursday or something like that.

987
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,800
Yeah.

988
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,040
And let the public come on in.

989
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:53,840
And I think the big thing is for the vendors is answer the questions from them too, you

990
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,520
know, not just from the professionals that, you know, but, but you know, they have concerns,

991
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,520
they have questions.

992
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,400
And I think that would be, you know, apropos for them to come on and say, Hey, I'd like

993
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,320
to see this in my club or I'd like to see this color or something like that.

994
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,720
And I think that just opens it up for everybody.

995
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:12,720
So true.

996
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,720
It is.

997
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:14,720
Yeah.

998
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,720
So no, great, great experience.

999
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:21,360
Uh, fun, you know, I think we got to start kind of working our way towards having some

1000
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,960
interaction with our, with our people that are listening to, you know, people that ask

1001
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,840
us questions about what they want to, what they want to know.

1002
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,440
But, uh, you know, get in contact with yourself at Silverado at, uh, I guess not Silverado

1003
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,440
unfortunately currently.

1004
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,440
Yeah.

1005
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,480
But, uh, swing theory golf and getting in touch with myself at Oakley country club or,

1006
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,920
you know, through my Instagram account, uh, one-stop golf shop, um, is still my Instagram

1007
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,920
account.

1008
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,240
So whatever that is, you know, if you guys have questions or conversations or just let

1009
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,840
us know, cause we, if we're not covering the right thing, if we're, if you guys want to

1010
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,680
have a topic of a different, you know, something else that you'd like to know about, let us

1011
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,080
know because we can cover a lot.

1012
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Yeah.

1013
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,640
From course management to wedges, putters, drivers, um, you know, anything it may be,

1014
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,880
you know, maybe even the, the how to, how to hit a bunker shot, whatever it may be.

1015
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,880
So let us know we're, we're here to provide good content for you.

1016
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,340
Uh, and, and, uh, I thought today's, uh, session about the PGA show was great.

1017
00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:23,560
We got to learn quite a bit.

1018
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,240
I think the idea of Brad Faxon, uh, you see in Brad Faxon is just great.

1019
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:33,160
I can't wait to see the video and upload it to our YouTube channel, but, uh, that's good

1020
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,160
stuff right there.

1021
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,160
Stacey, I want to leave it with one.

1022
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,160
Yeah, it was amazing.

1023
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,080
I want to leave it with one thing, team, because I was going to mention it when I was talking

1024
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,600
about facts and I thought we were talking a little too much, but it's, it's again, kind

1025
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,120
of like an insider's view into watching a tour player hit a golf shot.

1026
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,480
So that's kind of simplest way to explain this for the listener.

1027
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,880
When he's hitting a 58 degree club and he's got that log wedge and he hit, took like four

1028
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,960
or five practice and before he even did it.

1029
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:04,280
My, my best advice to the player who is trying to 58 degree club or 60 degree, it is amazing

1030
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,680
how open the club face is and on the tight takeaway and on the top of his backswing,

1031
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,480
how open that club faces at the throughout this one.

1032
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Um, so whatever you, you know, if you, I'm not trying to talk down, if you understand

1033
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,880
that, if you know what that means, it's, it's something that you should try to do more often

1034
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,080
and don't be scared of it.

1035
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,840
His other thing with the log wedges was he said this, he said, you know, he goes tour

1036
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,560
players that I work with tour players that I played with, they like to have their club

1037
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,920
head moving really fast.

1038
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:38,920
He said the word send it.

1039
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,560
He like, I like, he's like, they like to feel like the club head is, is being sent from

1040
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,360
the top of the backswing and there's some speed in that 58 degree wedge shot.

1041
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:55,760
And I think that's to us, you know, if we kind of maybe simplify it to bunker shots,

1042
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,280
people stop in bunkers, they just stop the club.

1043
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,120
They don't keep it going.

1044
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,760
And it does kind of get stuck in the ground or the, you know, the weights going to the

1045
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,600
back leg and they kind of bottom out early.

1046
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,240
The again, the overall point for the listener is like open the club face, keep it open on

1047
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:17,880
the backswing, figure out how to do that and then get some speed in that delivery position

1048
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,120
to get some spin on the golf ball and don't be afraid of blading it.

1049
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,440
Cause as long as you make good contact, you're going to be fine.

1050
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,600
I know it's a little simple, but, but just really something he touched on.

1051
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,240
I'm like, you know, I, I just, when you watch him, you're like, Oh my gosh, that blade's

1052
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:34,240
so open.

1053
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,360
That's played is so open.

1054
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,280
That's a great mental perspective for, for our listeners, right?

1055
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,240
I mean, I'm sure a lot of them are trying to keep the face square.

1056
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,840
You know, I'm sure a lot of them are trying, you know, and they get that shovel, you know,

1057
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200
they just shovel it into the ground with that leading edge.

1058
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,560
So that's definitely the tip of the day.

1059
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,640
If you're struggling with those wedges, don't be afraid to really open that thing up, open

1060
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,000
it up to the point where it's kind of uncomfortable.

1061
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,000
Once you agree.

1062
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Yeah.

1063
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,000
And then just make shots, just try to hit the ground and, and, and you'll, I guarantee

1064
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,960
you they're going to walk away after a couple of things going, what, how does this work?

1065
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,960
Right?

1066
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:08,960
They're going to be like, this is amazing.

1067
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,960
I, I, you know, this shouldn't work, but it does.

1068
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Right?

1069
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,400
So, but yeah, that's a great tip.

1070
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,140
Do it out of long grass too, right?

1071
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:17,140
Start in long grass.

1072
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:20,880
Don't just start on the, on the side of the fringe, you know, starting long grass, starting

1073
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,600
something you feel a little more comfortable doing, but you'll kind of start seeing.

1074
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,880
That's why I didn't mention that, but in the Cleveland world and other companies have,

1075
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,240
but they get these full face wedges.

1076
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,240
And that's part of the reason they've got full face where the grooves are all the way

1077
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,800
in the total part of the club.

1078
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,840
Because when you're hitting in different conditions, you want to be able to make sure you can literally

1079
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,000
line it up off the toe, like you would a putter.

1080
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,440
And if you want to put extra spin on it, that's what the Cleveland guys are saying.

1081
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,560
And you do it and you're like, oh my gosh, it is more spin.

1082
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Really cool.

1083
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,360
So you're utilizing the whole face, right?

1084
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,240
I mean, at that point you're utilizing the whole face and not just that little corner

1085
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,380
edge, just not doing anything for you.

1086
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:57,380
So I think it's great.

1087
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:58,380
That's it.

1088
00:51:58,380 --> 00:51:59,380
Yeah.

1089
00:51:59,380 --> 00:52:00,380
Good stuff.

1090
00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:02,540
So, well, thank you, a dynamic golf listeners.

1091
00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:03,620
We certainly appreciate it.

1092
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:09,320
If you found this, you know, a podcast interesting or liked it, please think about liking or subscribing

1093
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,320
to the channel.

1094
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,080
I am your host Tim McElvanagh and with me is Sean Klotz.

1095
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,080
Sean, anything before we break?

1096
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,880
No, I think that was good.

1097
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,960
It's a good session for some people to listen to and yeah, just keep at it, have a good

1098
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,000
time with it and, you know, keep looking, keep getting yourself educated.

1099
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000
Keep going.

1100
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Sounds good.

1101
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,000
So once again, thank you, dynamic golf listeners, and we will see you on the next video.

1102
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:47,520
See you.