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Alright everybody, welcome back to Dynamic Golf.
I'm your co-host Tim McElvanagh.
It win me today is Sean Klotz.
Today Sean, we're going to talk about a few things.
We're going to talk a little bit about TGL, which I think is a new exciting brand that's
coming on out for golf.
Also we'll have a little sneak peek into the PGA show.
So welcome back listeners.
Sean, take it away for us buddy.
Uh, team, good to hear from you as always.
Good to talk to our listeners.
I'm excited about 2025.
You know, you're always trying to reset your, reset yourself.
Um, I think that's as I started doing some lessons indoors here in the facility at Oakley,
um, you know, kind of, it's just such an easy way to kind of segue into the, into what the
person is trying to do and improve on.
So you just say, kind of say, Hey, what's one of your goals for 2025?
So, um, I remember last year you were talking about trying to maybe increase some club head
speed work on your own personal game type of thing.
Um, is there anything specific that you're trying to do for 2025?
I know you got the two little kids, so it's hard to play in tournaments and stuff, but
well, it's funny.
It's funny that you mentioned that.
Cause I do remember last year, I was definitely into the speed.
Uh, it was definitely trying to work on getting club head speed, but as time went on and family
went on, uh, now I think my goal for 2025 is just to be able to play once a week.
Okay.
So, and I think a lot of our listeners can relate to that, you know, with busy schedules,
uh, and, um, you know, time being compressed.
I think they can understand that quite a bit.
Well, it's, it's the life of a golf pro, you know, no matter what kind of, you know, how
you've kind of, uh, position yourself, uh, doing more YouTube videos, trying to do, you
know, obviously working with our podcast, um, while doing your maintaining your daily
instruction to your people.
And then also trying to be a dad and a wife or a dad and husband.
And you know, there's just so many different things.
And, uh, it's, it's part of why I enjoy being the PGA pro at a golf course, because it's
just, every day is different.
There's always something different that we're going to do.
Um, you know, right now it's when I came back from vacation, it was okay, we got to somehow
set up a simulator indoors from scratch.
So it's, you know, imagination and inventiveness with what we do.
And, um, and then now it's okay.
Now I've got the, the facility kind of set up for it.
So now you've got to advertise yourself and market yourself and get that word back out
to the membership.
And so that becomes a different hat.
And then guess what?
When the people actually will walk through the door, now you've got to do the golf lesson.
Um, so you got to, you know, again, like I said, talk to them and Hey, what are your
goals?
Are you going to be Mrs. Smith there, Mr. Jones or whatever?
And, uh, so it's just fun.
I mean, I'm not in any way whining about it.
I don't think you are either.
It's just that sometimes like our personal goals kind of get, uh, put in the back, back
burner because we're doing so many things to keep the food on the table and keep money
coming through, you know?
Absolutely.
So, you know, I think a lot of our, you know, our listeners can relate to that.
You know, sometimes golf kind of takes a, a, you know, a little sidetrack, but we do
need to have our goals, you know, uh, trying to keep our, you know, even if we don't achieve
them, at least having them on the board there, uh, and working towards them, I think always
helps our game no matter how far along we get along in that, but we do, you know, have
a goal, you know, even if it's a small goal, like, you know, what I'm trying to do is just
accomplish playing one day, you know, one day a week.
Uh, I think, uh, if you can kind of set yourself for that, it just helps your game as you further
advance.
Absolutely.
And if, if that question was asked to me, so normally, you know, like I fancy myself
as around like a four or five handicap golfer as a PGA guy, I know we're all supposed to
be zero handicaps, but that's the people on tour.
That's not, not necessarily guys who are working in the count or behind the counter, you know,
40, 50 hours a week type of thing.
Um, so my, it's funny, my goal probably this year is more about trying to score and, uh,
trying to learn how to, you know, trying to learn how to navigate my way around this,
this golf course here at Oakwood country club.
Um, also trying to sustain kind of scoring.
So I recently went down to Florida, to my old home state there and, um, played about
five rounds of golf.
Um, and the, and again, the listeners will, as we talk, me and you talk, I think it's
just so representative of what our listeners go through.
Um, every round I played, I had a, I had a 30 and a 40.
Like I had scores that you started with a three and started with a four.
So, uh, you know, shoot 44, 35, the first round out.
So you know, it's 79, a lot of people in the world would be happy, but you know, why can't
you shoot 35 and why do you shoot 44?
Gotcha.
Um, you know, and, and it goes to some of the stuff we've talked about, like you shoot
the 44, your first round back after not playing for eight weeks and I've got a new putter
and I've got new irons that I haven't hit other than two times on the range.
And I don't have the reps, right?
I just don't have the reps in with those clubs or the confidence, right?
I mean, you haven't, you haven't shot that, you know, 72 with that set of clubs where
you're like, I'm ready to go and tack the course with that, right?
Confidence is a big part of it too, with your new equipment.
It's the, uh, to me, team, like a huge part of it is the, is the library of, of, of, uh,
shots.
So what I mean by that is like a new set of irons, new shafts.
And that's the biggest difference is the shaft is a lot lighter, um, than what I've had before
still staying in the stiff world.
But, but that gram weight is going to benefit me in the future, but to get used to the weight
and kind of how the head comes through and how you have to kind of swing it a little
bit, just be a little more patient with the club instead of trying to, so it, you know,
you can go to the range and you can hit balls, which again, I will hit balls twice with them,
but it doesn't replicate being on a golf course with a target, having to hit it over, over
a bunker or over water, whatever.
Um, and it literally showed in that round, like how that, how that changed with a score
card in your hand.
Remember, I mean, you know, with, you know, people forget about that.
Just put a score card in your hands and that game becomes a lot, a lot tougher.
Doesn't it?
Does this, does this happen to you?
I'm gonna ask you this question.
So, you know, like the first hole I played, and I mean, I'm not trying to micromanage
this round, but I just think again, it's a good indicator for other people to listen
to when we talk.
Like this is what we, we go through the same thing that you guys go through as playing.
So first, first hole, you know, again, kind of definitely rusty, hadn't played in eight
weeks, whatever.
Um, I missed the first putt with the brand new putter from like four feet and I made
bogey and I'd feel like team, like, I feel like if I make par on that first hole, I think
my mindset changes pretty drastically in the round.
Cause you feel like you're working from behind when you make your first bogey, double bogey
on the first hole.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel the same way, you know, for me, it's usually the standard double off the first
hole and you just feel like you're, you're always chasing that whole front nine to get
those two strokes back.
And I, you know, I guess it just, and then you get another bogey along the way and you're
looking at it, it's three or it's four over then.
And then it's just, you know, you're looking, let's just go to the back nine and try to
stay under 40 at this point.
You know what I mean?
And I get that.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
If I can make a par or even a birdie on the first hole, I just feel like I'm gaining on
the course and I'm off to a flying start.
That's, that's funny you say that.
Cause I actually, the next time I played that course, which was three days later, the next
time I start on that course, I go par birdie par, and now I'm one under after three.
And now I'm in that little bit uncomfortable zone.
Like, Oh, Oh, this could, this could be a good, good round of golf.
Right.
Right here.
Right.
So that, that, that round was the 38 42 round, right.
Where I, where I was started off good.
Then I kind of, like you just said, like maybe made a kind of bad bogey on number four and
then number five is a difficult hole.
And I made bogey there and all of a sudden 15 minutes ago, you're one under now you're
one over and now your whole mindset changes and you start putting a little more pressure,
a little more pressure on yourself.
It's just, you know, we don't, we don't do what they talk about on the PGA tour.
We don't do that enough, which is you talk to a PGA tour player, you hear them get interviewed
after the end of the round.
The thing that they talk about team, like I hear all the time is just taking it one
shot at a time.
Just playing one hole at a time.
The old cliche they say, right?
Right.
And then they're like, you know, I'm in front of me, can't worry about what's happening
tomorrow.
I'm just going to play good.
And you know, hopefully that score will, will show up against the other player.
Like they don't talk about if I break 66, I'm going to come in first.
No, that's not how they approach it.
So let me relate that to, to something that, you know, with that being said right there,
I think a great point is that, you know, when you're out there and you're sick, right, or
don't feel good and you're just one shot at a time, I just, I got to get through the next
shot.
And then when you get done with the round, you find out that you, you shot a very good
round and you just stayed in the moment the whole way.
Have you ever noticed that as well?
Like when you don't feel good or you're kind of out of it, or if you're in the zone, it's
just, it's so much, it's just, there's not thinking ahead.
It's not, I need to save this score or I could shoot this score.
It's just the ball in front, hit ball, ball in front, hit ball.
And you just keep repeating the process and somebody hands you a scorecard and says, Hey,
your rounds done.
You know?
Yeah.
And that's one of the hardest things for all of us to do is not, not play the, Oh, I make
par on this hole.
I'm going to shoot 37 or if I make bogey on this hole, I'm going to break 45 for the first
time or right that whole game.
We get so caught up in that instead of the, and again, you talk to good players and sometimes
they don't know.
Most of the time they don't know.
A lot of times they, they're just kind of like oblivious to it.
That's the really good, we, you know, we call them kind of like dumb golfers and you want
to be kind of a dumb golfer.
Yeah.
And that's not even a negative towards Darrell.
But I mean, he's, he's just in the zone and he's not thinking about anything else other
than golf.
No, hit the ball down.
I'm supposed to hit the ball down the fairway and I'm supposed to get the ball in the green.
And that's how my head pro up here plays.
He's just, just ironically consistent with, you know, ball striking is, you know, 14 to
16 greens per rate per round.
You know, he doesn't have the greatest short game I know of because he doesn't need it
because he's, he gets more greens than I know of most tour players.
Wasn't that like Jack Nicklaus, you know, didn't have the best short game, but when
you're hitting fairways and greens, who really needs it?
That's it.
So yeah, there's just, there's a lot to be said about all that is just the last kind
of point I'll make about the kind of the scoring world and the zone you're talking about is
and that, that back nine, the 35, like you get in a rhythm and that's the, that's the
term I like to use.
You know, the, the rhythm of, and it's, to me, it goes down to the rhythm of your pre-shot
routine.
We've talked about that before is the same.
It's a consistent, not deviating.
Doesn't matter if you're one stroke down in a stroke play, but it doesn't matter if you're
two holes down playing against the guy and you've got, you know, four holes to go.
Like if you don't deviate, if you're trying to break 90 and you start taking longer times
on the putting green on 17, 18, probably not going to break 90.
Yeah.
Right.
Correct.
That, that, that rhythm in the zone thing is kind of like the freedom, the heads kind
of not in the way you're not in the way thinking about, Oh, do this.
I'm going to know you're just ball target, ball target, hole target go.
Yeah.
I mean, usually for me, I've got either like some kind of conversation in my head, you
know, or I've, I've got a melody or a song.
And it just kind of takes me out.
It frees me up.
And it's very rare that I get in those moments.
And I think that's why so many athletes try to chase that moment.
But when you find that moment, it's kind of like, it's Zen, obviously it's just a Zen
moment, but you know, once you snap out of that, it's, you're like, where the hell am
I?
What, what am I doing?
You know, and then, then the mind starts taking over and then, you know, you can't even feel
your hands in the club and you're like, Oh my God, there's a water that's 75 yards to
the right at this point.
You know what I mean?
You just start thinking of all the bad things that could happen.
So absolutely, absolutely.
So yeah, I was going to say one of the best examples are, you know, uh, is the baseball
pitcher trying to throw the no hitter, you know, and kind of how the guys on the, on
the bench don't talk to them or don't even bring it up type of thing.
And that's, that's really what you want as the golfer guys.
You don't want somebody in your group to say, Oh boy, you're, you know, you're, you're seven
over and you only got two holes left.
Have you broken 80 before?
You know, like you just don't want it.
You want to just keep doing what you're doing to maintain that.
So um, whatever those mental tricks are that you have to figure out on your own to make
yourself, like you said, music is great rhythm, you know, keeping, just get out of the McCann
X of it so much and keeping that free flow state is sometimes what you hear it's called.
Yeah.
Where you, you know, it's just, uh, it's the basic stuff, the less you stay, you know,
the less you stay, you know, unless you get out of your way, the better, or the more you
get out of the way, you're better.
You know, the more you stay.
Yeah.
Just getting into that mental mindset where you're just like, you know, in beta zone,
you know, you're just, you know, like everything's zoned out.
You're just focused on a few things.
There's not, you don't really hear a lot of things.
Um, you know, at least for me that, that not that the game's going fast, but it seems like,
Oh, I'm on hole 15.
I just seemed like I was on hole six just a minute ago.
You know, it's just, everything kind of flies by, but you know, as we get older and play
less, those moments come less and less.
It was more like a whole or two now, not a, not a whole round.
Yeah.
And that's, that's exactly what I thought when I was playing the four or five rounds
because yeah, I had some thirties, but I also had some forties.
The other component I'll bring up is the new putter, right?
You got a new putter.
It feels great on the showroom floor.
It feels great on the new practice screen.
It feels good.
Like what putter did you get?
Tell us, tell, tell everybody what you got.
I mean, that's a big change for you.
So Odyssey's got, um, I've kind of liked the Odyssey product for many years.
They've kind of have some different variations to their faces.
We'll see some new stuff coming up here at the PGA show, which is next week in Orlando.
Really excited.
Where a lot of the companies, yeah, we'll, we'll get to that in a second.
Definitely.
But this is a, it's a counterbalance putter.
So it's basically like 38 inches long.
Okay.
Um, so you've seen like, uh, Ricky Fowler and Wyndham Clark were the two guys last year
that we using this, that length of a putter and they had the long putter and I, and again,
it's funny when you watch a tour of it now, how many different grips people are using
on tour?
Yes.
Right.
Like not, not the, obviously the rubber rubber is part of it, but just the placement of the
hands.
Did you say you were kind of doing claw?
Yeah.
Are you kind of a claw guy now or are you been?
No, I'm back to conventional, uh, you know, back to conventional, but I'm sure once it
goes south, I'll go back to the claw.
Yeah.
So I'm, I'm conventional grip, uh, but it's a 38 inch putter and I'm gripping it probably
around 34, 35 inches.
So I've got about four inches extended from where my hands are placed on the club above.
So what it does for me, what it's helped me to do in the first two months of having the
putter is, um, is just feel like it's a much more of that kind of pendulum shoulder motion
type of thing where it's not handsy.
Um, it's got a good face.
It's called a, it's the white, white hot type of face.
Is it the AI technology?
I was going to say the AI one.
Yeah.
So that was last year.
Me and you were down at, um, and reunion for rat when we're doing the Callaway.
Yeah.
I think it was reunion is a, is a great show that they provided for us.
A lot of, a lot of knowledge on that one too.
Yep.
And, uh, and they got the different faces.
They got the gold face, they got the red face, but the white face is kind of like their stock
one we'll call it.
Um, so I think, you know, again, as we talked to our listeners, like find it's got to look
aesthetically good to you when you look down on it.
So it's a, it's the Versa is the name of the actual head.
Okay.
Um, I always kind of liked that fang look, um, or the, the bigger mallet is what we call
it.
Um, this is that it's a Versa head and, um, it's got the white hot face.
It's 38 inches.
It's got a big grip.
The grip is probably 21 inches long.
Like it's really cause it's again, it's designed for either holding it against your left arm
and bracing it.
It's designed if you want to do a claw, if you want to reverse your hands, put it in
a left hand low.
So there's multiple ways that you can place your hands on the club.
Just for me, what I've seen.
So
Have you done the arm bar thing at all?
Have you tried that at all?
Did you like that?
If you tried that,
I've, I've tried it, but, um, I, I don't feel like it, I feel like it's a little awkward
on my left forearm.
So it feels like it doesn't stay in place.
Um, there's another grip out there by Odyssey, which is called a wrist lock grip, which is
where essentially, if you think about the way grip is usually positioned on a club,
it's actually kind of turned at a 90 degree angle.
So it locks into your left palm kind of forearm in a better placement.
Um, uh, you know, for whatever reason so far, and I was rolling this one great up here and
like towards the end of October, November, and I probably one of the first putters have
actually, you know, whatever the word is, it's going to sound arrogant, but like I actually
purchased because we're lucky enough to get putters from some of these companies, but
I've purchased this one, um, because I believed in it so much and the, the
And that means something too.
If a pro's going out and using their hard earned money to buy your product, that means
they believe in it and they want that in the bag.
You know?
Right.
Um, but where I was going with all this is as I was practicing with it before I did purchase
it in October, November up here on the practice screen up at Oakley or the back practice screen,
uh, cause I didn't have a chance to play with it too much because it got cold or whatever,
but I just was, I mean, when I say go practice putting, you know, to me, it's probably making
a hundred to 200 putts, you know, at a time.
And then there are three and four footers, five footers, maybe.
Um, and you, what I'm looking for team, I'm looking for to hit a five footer and, and
see it go in and hear it go in.
And again, going back to this, this story, like build the library in my head of good
experiences with that club.
Yes.
So I transfer that to going down a floor to play golf six weeks later.
And what I'm thinking about over the five footers is all those five footers that I made
on the practice putting green at Oakley, not the five footer in front of me, just, I just
made a bunch of these when I practice with it.
And shockingly it translates into the ball going to the hole when you're actually playing
memory recall, right?
Memory recall, right?
You know, bringing it, bringing those positive experiences to the putt that's at bear and,
uh, you know, just not worrying about the pressure that comes with it, but the confidence
of that you've made that a thousand times.
I think I brought the story up before when we've talked and I don't care if I reiterate
it 10 more times because it's such a great one, but Freddie couples masters, I think
it was 92.
I think that's what he won, but I'm pretty sure it was this year that year.
He's got to hit a six iron, you know, um, onto the green to kind of to putt and kind
of make the, make the, um, make par for that day or whatever it was.
But it was a difficult shot in the reporter and Freddie, Freddie couples had a little
Darrell Martin do them.
Cause that makes sense.
Like he had, right?
He was just such an athletic figure and the game seemingly came very easy to him.
Doesn't seem to me.
He made the swings look repeatable and easy.
Like he just rolled out of bed with that golf swing.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
But a reporter asked him like, you know, Hey, Mr. Couples, what were you thinking about
on that hole?
You know, you had a difficult shot.
You had to go over the bunker and you had to cut it around and he just looked at the
reporter just very matter of fact, like, do you know how many times I've hit six irons?
Like do you know how many good six irons I've hit in my life?
That's what I was thinking about.
I wasn't worried about the bunker or the fact that I had to make this on there for two putt.
Like I just thought about how many good six irons I've hit.
And you know, so I think when, when me and you talk about, you know, to our listeners
and like not preaching to them, but sort of like, Hey, if you want to be good at this
game, you can't roll out of bed.
Yeah.
You know, you got to put the work in, you got to put the work in, which is any, any
endeavor that we do in life.
You can't be a good pianist unless you're playing the piano 10 hours a day, whatever.
So yeah, the expectation of just going to a golf lesson and expecting to all of a sudden
become better.
Nope.
That's not the way it works.
No, it takes a lot of time, doesn't it?
Yeah.
You go to the golf lesson to get the plan to figure out what to work on.
And then you go work on it.
That's the, that's the, that's the reason to go to see a professional's advice because
you know, you want to, you don't want to try to figure it out yourself because you can't
see it.
And what you think is important may not be important.
And what you watch on YouTube, probably not applicable to you.
Correct.
So that's, that's, that's our little, you know, PSA golf lesson.
Let me ask you a question.
You're talking about that.
You're going to work on your scoring for our audience.
What are some things or some key things that you're going to try to focus in on, on scoring?
Is it going to be short game putting is a certain combination of the two?
Is there something that you're kind of focusing on for your scoring or numbers?
Yeah.
No, great, great question.
Definitely.
And this is the way that I would answer it for, this is the way you want to try to get
again to break 90, to break 80, break six, 70.
Hitting more greens and regulation.
That's a simple, it's almost like the, let me just try to be more consistent conversation
that we always talk about.
Hitting greens and regulation, then that means that you got to lead back to what club am
I going to hit off the tee box?
Am I going to do, am I okay with hitting a three wood or even a seven wood off the tee,
as opposed to just automatically pick and drive her up off the, you know, out of the
bag.
Cause I'm going to place myself in a better position statistically with a club that's
shorter with more loft than I would with a club that's longer with less loft.
So yeah, we, we have the luxury of not having to hit driver everywhere.
There's definitely some players that we work with that need to hit driver everywhere and
that's, that's fine.
So in kind of order, it would be, okay, I know when I see better players and when I've
played my best rounds, I've hit more greens and regulation.
So I already, you know, not arrogantly, I already believe that I'm one of the better
short game players that I know because I practice it and like it, but I need to hit more greens.
I don't need to keep putting pressure on myself by getting up and down.
I need to move my, my greens per average from 6.7 right now to ideally 10.
And then let's go to a tour level, which is around 12.
Again, be realistic with your expectations.
Yeah.
You know, tour tour players are, they're kind of going between 12 and 14.
Somebody's ridiculously scoring, you know, how they're scoring so well now.
But yeah, I would say that that'd be so in macro big picture, it's going to be, okay,
I need to hit more greens and regulation, which means I need to kind of think smart
a little smarter off the tee box.
Again, what mean you like, we're both really good inside of one 50.
So if you get the 400 yard golf hole, okay, I got hit the ball to 50.
If you got the three 80 golf hole, I need to hit the ball to 30.
If I got a 350 yard golf hole, I needed the ball 200.
I don't need to try to hit the ball to 60 with my driver every single time in those
circumstances, they need to get to one 50 and I'm going to have more luck from one 50
in the center than I would from one 35 in the rough.
Gotcha.
So would you tell your students, would you say, um, with that being said that if I'm
at the range, put the driver down and pick up the seven and eight iron and work harder
on that to make sure that your approach shots are where they need to be?
Yes, but it's, you know, it's, it's, uh, student specific.
If that makes sense, you know, like maybe they might need to work right.
Well, they might need to work on hitting three wood more off of the tee box and be comfortable
with hitting the three wood, which we hear that a lot from players, right?
We hear that, uh, that, uh, they hit their three wood as far as their driver.
Yes.
You hear that studies have shown that they actually do because it has more loft, which
gives them more carry, um, which gives them more distance.
Um, you know, so yeah, I would highly suggest that for sure.
Right.
And, or it's the other way.
I'll say it's that way.
What you just described definitely.
Um, or it's the hit down on it already with driver, not correctly.
And they're doing that with a three wood and the balls coming out kind of like a lower
trajectory, but it's going straighter.
Um, and the ball might roll.
You might roll it.
Who, again, who cares if you carry it to 40 or roll it to 40.
If you got the ball out there, 240 yards and you're in the middle, nobody ever asks me,
you know, Oh boy, how far did you carry that drive?
No, it's all about how far did you hit it?
So you know, it is, I think you gotta be, you gotta be aware of what you need to work
on.
Um, how are you going to lower your scores?
Again, for some other players, it might be, they, they very, very possibly could go work
on their short game, chipping, putting bunker play.
I think that's kind of, I think that's one of those that I see when I play with, you
know, my friends or whatever.
And they just, they just lose so many strokes and bunkers and it's, it's not about getting
it up and down all the time, but it's certainly about getting it out all the time onto the
green.
Yes.
Um, so when, when you play with the, the, the higher handicaps, right, that's the one
where you, that they, they, they're nervous about bunkers.
They're scared of bunkers.
They don't want to go in bunkers.
Yeah, well, I got to get better at my bunker play then.
Yeah.
Get, find yourself a bunker and a bucket of balls and get it out, figure it out.
You know, I would, that's one team act that I would tell my listeners, tell our listeners,
tell my students go watch YouTube because there's some pretty commonalities type of
things with bunker play.
You can't do certain things and you have to do other certain things to get the ball to
go out.
So yeah, there's different types of sand and there's different links of golf shots
and I get all that, but there's some certain things in a bunker you kind of, you can't,
you have to do.
You just can't, you can't hit a bunker shot with your weight on your right side.
That'd be that, you know, if the listener is asking, what are some of those things,
you just can't, you can't have your weight on your backside.
No matter what shot you have in the bunker, doesn't matter if it's front, back, middle,
nice lie, up lie, whatever it is, you're going to need some weight in that front side.
Yep.
You have to hit the sand first.
We're never hitting the ball.
Like it sounds like simple things, but no, these are, these are things to that, that
you should be aware of.
So I got to hit the sand first.
You know, whether you play a 56 or a 60, that's up to you.
Whether you hit, you know, an inch behind the ball or six inches behind or, you know,
two inches behind the ball, whatever those are, those are kind of where we start getting
into distances and things like that.
But just, just go and, you know, again, it's not sexy.
It's not exciting to go do, but it's kind of fun.
I love going to bunkers and just kind of hitting bunker shots and, you know, imagination starts
to become a huge part of that right there.
Yes.
You know, and you start to figure out how that club is utilized because you really have
to thump the sand.
You've got to give it a hit, you know?
And I see a lot of my students, they just, they, they get to the sand and they just stop.
And I'm like, what are we doing?
And I mean, if we were on the interstate, we'd haul ass up the on ramp and now you're
stopping.
I mean, keep going.
You know, that's, that's the big thing I see with a lot of beginners and some of my students
just stop in the sand.
That's a great point.
I was given a lesson this morning and I had two different lessons to two different people
and both ladies and they were both kind of different skill levels.
But the second lady who's kind of newer back into the game, you know, we talked about it
and you kind of kiddingly say it, but you know, she's not like, look, I don't know what
you've been doing.
I don't know what your friends have been telling you.
You can't try to lift the ball off the ground.
We got to hit down into the golf ball to get the ball to go up.
We're talking about a seven iron, eight iron.
It's the same concept in the bunker, which is again, my point, like a lot of people that
are not good in bunkers try to lift the ball by, you know, helping letting the club.
Yeah.
The club releases past the hands now are getting a little more technical.
The club's trying to pass past the hands instead of hitting.
Like you said, thumping is a great term.
Again, my boss, Scott, who's just a really good bunker player loves practicing the bunker.
You can hear it from 10 yards away.
You can hear him hit a golf shot versus probably anybody else out here as far as bunker play.
So yeah, it always has that good thump to it.
I mean, it's just, you know, bam, you know, it's hit, you know, you're like, wow, that's,
you know, it's a great sound.
And when you pull it off, you're like, wow, I did that.
Yeah.
Um, the, the last part I'll say about like how to lower your scores.
Yeah.
I would say, and I've brought this up before too, but, um, again, these things are all
sets so good.
You got to be able to reset when you're on the golf course, you have to learn how to
shoot 44, 35 or 42, 38 or find it, you know, somewhere in the middle of the round, hopefully
not after 44 shots.
Hopefully you figured out after two holes instead of, right?
Well I remember back in the day, and I, I still kind of use this for myself, but you
used to use this with the high school kids.
You put a line on the scorecard, you know, that's what I was going to bring up.
Yep.
You know, I thought that was always a great, a visual on your card.
It's something in your mind.
Um, and it just gives you, Hey, I've got to start from here.
Give myself a fresh start.
Forget about that in the past.
Uh, and let's move forward.
So, yeah, I know your daughters are watching all the Disney movies now and stuff, but,
uh, my girls are a little older than your girls, but the lion King, you know, that whole
like Hakuna Matata mentality of life of like, don't worry about it.
That monkey hits the lion on top of the head and says, what does it matter?
It doesn't matter.
It happened in the past.
You can't do anything about the double you just made.
You can't, you feel bad, you're stupid, frustrated, but you have to somehow be able to reset,
change your mentality, change your mindset.
Okay.
I made double.
Great.
Now I'm going to start, now I'm going to make, I'm going to make my first par or I'm going
to make the first string of pars or whatever that is.
Or again, however you're, you know, what your scoring is.
If, okay, I got to make the first bogey, I got to make the first double.
I don't care whatever it is, but you got to start with one.
You can't make six bogeys unless, you know, and again, the players that we play with is
you can't make five birdies until you make the first birdie.
Correct.
You know, if that means you can't make the first bogey until you make the, you know,
if you're trying to make five bogeys in a row at your skill level, well, you got to
make one bogey in a row.
So absolutely.
Absolutely.
You got to start somewhere, right?
You got to turn, you got to find a corner and work your way out of it.
That's it.
Yeah.
Don't, don't make these, don't make big numbers worse or don't make, you know, just don't
big numbers becomes a thing.
Again, that's with some of those rounds.
It's just, you know, you feel like you're almost speeding up.
That's a great term.
Like you speed up in the middle of the hole.
You're like, ah, I just get to get out of the way.
I'm hitting the ball in the water.
I'm just going to chip it out.
I'm going to whatever I'm going to all these guys are putting.
I feel bad that I got to go hurry up.
Well guess what?
You just made triple and you just ruined your day.
Correct.
So, so yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely feel that when I'm on the course, that mind starts going real quickly.
Everything just seems to be going in fast motion and you're just, you know, you're
you're, you're hoping it slows down.
And I think just, you know, having some breathing exercises kind of helps you a little bit with
that.
Isn't it worse too, when you play like if me, you crumped and Jim cross went out and
played golf, we wouldn't, that wouldn't even happen to us.
But if I played as a single up and are out in Cocoa beach down, down there, kind of like
East part of the state.
And I felt, you know, you just feel a little awkward joining somebody.
Yeah.
It's like, you know, they didn't know each other, which was good.
But if you join it, if you're a single and you join a threesome and those guys have a
vibe and you don't or whatever that is.
And like, again, TMAC, like we're better than 90% of the golfers in the world.
And we're feeling this way.
Yes.
Like, you know, saying like, how can you imagine the 15, the 12 to 15 handicapped, the 25 handicapped,
the lady who's hasn't played golf almost on a golf course.
And she feels intimidated to go join a group of people at a golf course.
And you know, she doesn't hit a great off the first tee cause there's pressure already.
Then you go to the, now you're rushing.
Now all of a sudden you shoot 120 cause you're just, you've blown yourself up before he even
started and you couldn't wait to get off the golf course quick enough.
You know what I mean?
You're just rushing around that golf course.
You're like, let's get this over with.
And you forget that you're out there to enjoy a beautiful day, you know, hopefully a beautiful
day.
Hopefully it's not too bad, but you know, you're out there to enjoy, you know, nature,
your time with your friends.
And it just seems like, yeah, you're right.
If you get that really bad start, you're just, you can't wait to the 19th hole to get out
of here.
Right.
Absolutely.
Dave, did you watch any of the TGL the last couple of weeks?
Sure did.
I've watched both weeks.
It's been very, very, very new and exciting.
I think, especially, you know, with the, with the tie that I have and that you had with
the simulators, you know, up there and down here, I think it's just the way of the future.
I think what it's going to be is, is a lot of the young kids are going to move towards
towards playing, especially minorities.
I think it's a, it's an interesting event, right?
It's not something same thing like me and you talk about when we go to, if you give
us 60 bucks, we're not going to, to top golf, like we're going to go play golf somewhere
in the real world.
Yes.
That's not what we love to do.
I can certainly understand the allure of it, the attraction of it.
I get it why it's, and I mean, I kind of let, you know, they're trying to get the team atmosphere,
which is, it's funny as you start getting ready for PGA junior league, you know, this
spring I started putting that together.
Again, then, you know, one of the number one reasons why the kids play in, in junior league
is cause it's a team atmosphere, team orientation.
So as these guys are, as they're trying to, you know, let's face it, they're trying to
create, implement something that's not normally part of the golf world.
Yes.
The team atmosphere, right?
Yes.
And I think that's because I think what TGL and I think live even too, is they're trying
to touch into that old college feeling, you know?
Like when you played college, playing with a team and stuff like that, you know, they're
trying to touch into that, that, that nostalgic feeling.
I think a lot of players like that team atmosphere, the rider cups, the president cups, you know,
playing for a team.
I think they like that.
And I think that's just becoming more popular now compared to what it was before.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, it's, it's taking an individual sport and turning it into a team event is what they're
doing.
Uh, where all the other sports are essentially always based on team atmosphere.
You can have your standout individual players, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Tom Brady, whatever
Jerry Rice, but they're, they're essentially team sports.
This is going the opposite way.
Um, it's funny, like tennis is the other one that you would think would try to lean into
this side of it.
Yeah.
I haven't really seen that happen because it is this, you know, it's such an individual
sport too.
Yeah, I don't know how you do that, but I mean, I know that I saw, uh, for LA, um, Serena
Williams I think is part owner of the LA golf club or something like that.
So she may be looking into how does this work?
How could I bring some kind of idea like what Tiger has into my sport and stuff like that?
So you may see a change like that in tennis in the next, you know, four to five years
possibly with, uh, with her kind of studying how this model works.
And even if it does work, right?
I mean, why would, even if you have a good idea for tennis, let's see how this kind of
works and if they even, if it'll even go yet before you bring it up to the full speed,
maybe.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The, uh, I know they, I don't know what it's, I'm not going to speak like I know what to
talk about.
I know there are a couple of tennis events that are sort of trying to be like team oriented,
but there's nothing like the rider cup, nothing like the president's cup, nothing like the
Solheim cup, like sport, you know, golf has done a decent job of trying to create that.
And I mean, Ryder cup is definitely the one that we know of and pay attention to.
Um, uh, so yeah, it was, you know, it's an interesting format.
I heard, um, so you had, uh, Tiger, Max Homa and Kevin Kisner and they're playing Justin
Rose, uh, Sargis, right?
Tahala, Tabatia or something.
Yeah.
And then, um, so the shot, it's funny, like what we, again, the insider view of this world
versus the, what some of our listeners look at it.
So the, the two things that really struck me that were funny during the part I watched
on Tuesday night was obviously Kisner's shot out of the bunker that he bladed, hit into
the stick.
Yeah.
Uh, just classic, right?
And those guys, they were so real in their reaction to it that like he almost hit somebody
type of thing with what Tiger said.
Yeah.
And I don't know if that's, I guess I got to believe it's like, whatever you try to
develop manmade for bunker play is not the same as what we normally hit out of bunkers.
No, I mean, I, you know, there's just too much weathering that goes on on a bunker outside
compared to what you have on an indoor stadium, I think, you know what I mean?
I think, I like, I, you know, it looks pretty on TV.
I just don't know what the consistency of the sand really is.
Yeah.
Uh, and then he almost makes the next one.
Like the next one should have gotten in the tip.
It was amazing.
He just nipped the edge.
That was a beautiful shot too.
Wow.
That really would have been one of the best threes we've ever seen.
That's what Tiger said too.
So there's that component to it that, okay, it's not really real.
You know, it's a little, it's definitely some type of, uh, manufactured golf that we're
looking at.
And the other one that I saw was the last hole was, um, Oma who first of all, the par
five, it was 729 yards, I think.
Yeah.
So that shows you that we're not in the real world.
Um, but he hits a second shot and he makes this kind of off the cuff comment where the
ball gets pulled to the left of the hole and it goes down into the canyon or whatever.
And he says, he's like, he's like, I didn't pull that.
And you know, and I, I pretty much believe him.
I pretty much think that, and I'm a track man guy.
I believe in all of it.
I think it works.
It's, you know, it's just so, so well for everything that we're doing.
But, but I believe, I believe Max Holm has hit enough golf shots with his five iron to
know whether he pulled it eight yards left to the target or not.
Yeah.
So I don't know what that means for anybody.
It's just kind of a good indicator that, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's fun to watch.
It's a good Tuesday night in the middle of January, but yeah, let's, let's get ready
for Augusta coming up and let's get ready for the, uh, some of the other tour events
that are real.
Absolutely.
And you know, the next stop we've got, uh, the PGA show coming up right around the corner
for us.
Um, are you heading on up down here for the show at all or?
Yeah, it'd be different from what mean you have just, you know, had before in the past
because it was always in the middle of our season, uh, when I was in Florida, but now
it'll be again, kind of off season for us up here.
Uh, definitely more like go to go to demo day on Monday, on Tuesday.
I like kind of being able to see all the product and go hit some different shots with some
clubs.
Always a little weather dependent over there at orange County national of what's going
to happen with the wind and stuff.
And then I still get the excitement on Wednesday and you know, Wednesday, Thursday, by Friday,
the vendors are so like, quote unquote, tired from being there that the energy is kind of
gone, but that energy is pretty solid on Wednesday and Thursday.
I like going down the, the, the small back row aisles, finding the new products.
Yeah.
Uh, I was talking to one of my members yesterday cause I gave him a lesson and he's like, you
going down?
I said, Mike, I still go all the time.
I still really enjoy it.
I said, I found, I found lab golf six years ago.
It was directed force.
You know, we talked about that.
Like that was a butter that was brought out six years ago and nobody knew what it was.
And it was on the back end of the, it was down by the vending machine.
Yeah.
And now they've become this kind of, you know, new age products and they've got this new
technology.
No, they were doing this six years ago.
We just had a small vendor and now it's directed force got bought by lab golf and you know,
better marketing, better advertising.
Yeah.
They had like a little ploy where you hung the putter in something and you swung it and
it was just completely balanced.
Wasn't it?
Am I wrong on that?
Wasn't there something like that?
Yeah.
Their, their deal was that always returned to face angle being square.
Okay.
That was the, that was that little, uh, like you said, that little ploy is a good term.
It was kind of their, you know, their, uh, marketing tool to show you that the ball,
the club face would always return to center.
Um, and it, and it does, and that's literally part of that, that, uh, kind of idea of the,
of the, uh, counterbalance putter that, that Odyssey has, you'll see Odyssey.
I've already kind of had the sneak peek of Odyssey's got a square to square putter, which
is the shaft is in the middle of the club head instead of, you know, on the front side
of call it, which is, yeah, that's kind of the lab lab golf design is that same thing.
If you put the shaft in the middle of the fate of the club head, uh, behind the club
head is the key, not parallel with the club head.
Then the moment of inertia, the, the toe and heel waiting, all that takes place, um, to
a much better degree.
And that's why you can, that's why you're starting to be able to get the feel of miss
hitting cuts with these oversized ballots and getting better results.
Yeah.
These, these mallet putters are definitely the wave of the future.
They're giving you a lot more MOI and, and, uh, you know, return, you know, feel for
what it was compared 15, 20 years ago.
Yeah, that's it.
So yeah, I think we should, uh, we'll get together again next week.
We'll do one kind of after the show so we can kind of tell the listeners about what's
some of the new product that we saw.
Yeah.
Uh, kind of get them excited for 2025 and, uh, I think it's a good start.
I think it's a good, good session to get some people thinking about how to, you know, lower
their scores for 2025 and move on.
Are there any products that you're currently looking at there at the show or anything,
any, anything that's kind of catching your eye possibly that you're wanting to see there
at the show?
Um, I think, you know, part of it's being like industry specific or to the golf course
of things that we're looking for here, particularly at Oakley.
Um, so it's kind of part of it is, uh, honestly getting, we have a lot of people that walk
the course.
So we're looking at some different, uh, pole carts and that may not sound exciting, but
it is, it's still like this even technology and arts, you know, uh, I think there's some
of that.
I think there's, I always like to try to get to the hat brands and be able to kind of,
there's so much like, uh, individuality you can do with the hats now before you kind of
need to go, okay, I got 24 yellow, 24 blue and send them out to me and 144 shipments and
give me on May 1st and give me them on September 1st and we'll call it a day.
But now you can really, you know, really customize for us here at Oakley where were the original
Ross golf course.
I like to incorporate that into the branding.
I like to put the night, the 1898 there on the hat.
I like to put the little eight coin logo like, and just kind of think about some of those
different ways.
I'm kind of excited to like, I don't even know how to do all that.
I want to go talk to a couple of companies and say, Hey, here's what I want on that different
hats.
And I'd like to get sick, you know, six, six, six and six with four different color schemes.
And can we do that?
And you know, then, then those place in order in April and then let's do a different one
in June and then let's go for another one in August.
And you know, so the buying habits are different up here than they are down south.
Gotcha.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And you know, obviously I always kind of, to me, I always, I'm going to walk by the
simulator types of places and see if, you know, not to say track man, but you know,
see if track man's got anything new and see if you can, uh, see if there's any new toys.
Yeah.
Clubs are, that's kind of, you know, it's not like the old guy here.
Clubs are clubs.
You know, every, every year, again, we were supposed to hit it 50 yards further.
We kept listening to our club reps.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I should be hitting a thousand yards by now.
Exactly.
So yeah.
Well, good, man.
Good.
So want to thank everybody.
Thank all our listeners.
Uh, if you like this, uh, episode and, and, and like dynamic podcast, please think about
liking or subscribing to the channel.
It really does help.
Uh, and, um, thank you.
Thank you, Sean.
Any last thoughts before we break?
Oh, great.
Great.
Uh, talking with you as always team.
I look forward to 2025 and, uh, just, just get out there guys.
I mean, do, do whatever you can in your garage and your backyard at the drive range.
Um, you know, almost, almost the no practice or bad practices is okay, but you know, know
what you're doing when you're practicing, but, but go do it.
Yeah.
Get it, get a start, find a corner, work your way out.
And even if it's a wrong direction, at least you're moving in a direction, right?
Exactly.
There you go.
I like it.
So happy 2025 everybody.
Thank you and have a great day.
All right, my man.