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Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf.

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So hey welcome back Dynamic Golf listeners.

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I'm your co-host Tim McElwana and with me today is Sean Klotz.

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Sean, tell us a little bit about what's going on today.

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Well we got a special guest today Tim , pretty excited about this gentleman.

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Coach Ray Torres, he owns a business called Fit for Life and I think it's going to be

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a great way to kind of expose our listeners to sort of the kind of the crossing between

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fitness, golf, mental strategy, you know nutrition, sort of all those things combined that sometimes

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we take for granted as to why we're not getting the scores that we want and also maybe you

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know the insight into somewhat the tour players do on a daily basis that makes them you know

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so good.

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So hey Ray we're really happy to have you.

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Yeah welcome Ray.

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Tim and John it's a pleasure to be on with you guys.

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I'm super excited.

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I've been nonstop talking about this all day.

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That's great to hear.

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I'm glad you're pumped and excited.

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We're excited over here as well.

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You know with the off season coming up for golf I figured this is a great way for some

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of our listeners to kind of get a little bit you know stronger in the off season, kind

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of work on their mental preparation and other things like that you know for those things.

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Yes all good things.

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So you've been doing personal coaching and group coaching for what about 15 years now

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or so?

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Yep going on 16 this year.

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Finally became legitimized last year and that's when I started the Fit for Life company.

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Great.

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And I've just been doing that since last year.

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LLC you know taxed everything, taken care of.

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So we are totally legit.

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Great I love it.

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I love it.

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So also I saw in your bio you're a little bit you come from a little bit of a different

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sport you're a golf enthusiast but your love for sport was boxing is that correct?

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Yes sir.

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Yes sir.

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And as you remember we were in high school together many many decades ago.

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And it was very strange for me now to see a lot of these high school athletes that don't

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cross over to other sports you know.

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We grew up playing different kinds of sports if it wasn't baseball we were going to soccer,

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if it wasn't soccer we were going to football.

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So I think a lot of the cross training for athletes has diminished a bit throughout the

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years.

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Well I think you get on to a good point.

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I think a lot of students or parents now try to get them hyper focused on to one sport

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and don't as you said don't have them crossed over.

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Yes sir.

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So Ray I mean again you know I'm 53 T-Max younger than myself so that means you're a

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little bit younger as well.

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It is that thing right.

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I mean we did we went down you know we sound like the old guys Ray but like we went down

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to the ball field we went to the basketball court.

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Yes sir.

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We went to the golf course like you didn't need a formalized club or the travel teams

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or whatever right.

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You just went and played with your friends and mom told you to be home at dark and you

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were home at dark type of thing.

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And as you read and you kind of like listen to just the elite athletes like Wayne Gretzky

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is one of them.

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Jerry Rice is another one.

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Pele there was a documentary a couple of years ago I watched with my daughter and it just

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it was so perfectly said that the reason why these guys were so good is because they their

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hand eye coordination their balance which is part of your boxing world.

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It's part of our golf world like their body awareness.

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They knew what they were doing in different almost different motions right.

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So it wasn't so specific to just throwing a pitch on their miles an hour you know 80

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times a game.

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Yes sir.

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I go I I quote Jack Nicholas.

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Yeah when I when I speak to people especially about golf fitness you know Jack was is one

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of the best you know and he's been known to say that he's been able in the middle of the

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swing he's been able to take off multiple things at one time and still execute that

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swing perfectly.

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You know whether it's just whether it was grip pressure whether it was hips not aligned

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whether he too much too much left leg in it.

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But before he even made contact with the ball and I feel that came a lot from not just him

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being a great golfer just being a great athlete.

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He played baseball he played basketball he played football.

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And I think he got a scholarship at Ohio State for basketball wasn't it.

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If I'm if I'm.

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Yes you did.

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Yes he did.

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I mean what a hell of an athlete right there.

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Again I was telling I think I was telling team act this like I just recently watched

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they did a sports center special on Patrick Mahomes and it was amazing watching him play

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basketball in high school and he said you know he's like quarterbacks not much different

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than being a point guard.

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It's really just disperse you know distributing the ball to a different place in a different

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spot and you know he couldn't dunk but he like went up over somebody in a game because

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he kind of had the adrenaline and like again it's just like don't be so like cordoned

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off in your thinking that you can only swing one way.

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We'll bring it back to golf right.

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You can only putt one way.

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How many how many trips do we see on the golf course.

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You know I go to this gentleman.

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Many years ago you know I'm a self-taught golfer.

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I started working at a local golf local course called it's called Silverado now but it was

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a you know a different name back in the day and that's where I got.

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Yep so that's where I got my love for golf.

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But I remember there was a pro out there and he even told me this was pre-internet or pre-videos

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and everything.

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You don't want to listen to everybody.

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You just want to listen to yourself.

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And I didn't understand that till I really started getting into golf and finding my swing.

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I've probably I've probably had one coach in my life and that is the Rick Smith DVD

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from the golf channel from 2002.

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That is.

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Oh it's so bad but I still have it and I hope to one day meet Mr. Smith and tell him thank

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you for his great coaching.

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That's good.

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So you know when you work with some golfers Ray are there any like you know specific things

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that you kind of you know try to translate from boxing kind of into the golf and stuff

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like this as far as your approach to training or helping these these individuals as you

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go through with your training with them.

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Absolutely so just like just like boxing and golf it's an individual sport.

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So I always approach it in that manner.

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And because you've got you've got no one else to lean on except yourself.

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In boxing it's the opponent on the other side of the ring.

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In golf it's the golf course you're trying to be and the golf course is trying to beat

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you.

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So keep that frame of mind that you want you want the victory.

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You don't want the golf course to get the upper hand on you.

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So I guess my question to my question to Sean right now is is why did you go with golf instead

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of boxing if you wanted a personal sport.

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That's just a little joke between me and Sean because he always he always wanted the personal

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individual attention but you know.

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Also also was he too.

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I wouldn't have been able to do it either but that's great.

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You know I never really kind of thought about boxing and golf in the same way but you're

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absolutely right.

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It is an individual sport.

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It is you against an opponent in golf.

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It is the golf course in boxing is the opponent.

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But that's that's a great analogy right there.

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Yes sir.

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I mean the training right.

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You know when you're training for boxing and yeah I mean like I said I'm not I'm not what

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you guys are.

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I'm not getting close to that type of athlete but that I'm going to really be I could get

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in trouble like people talking about caddyshark for us when they talk about when you watch

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Rocky like literally when you watch like like when you think of like how dedicated the boxers

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are to their that the fight night is just part of the deal right.

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Yes sir.

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Six months to a year and a half beforehand.

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Yeah by the literally drinking the eggs or whatever you want to call it.

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You don't get the glory during those times and that's when you got a strike.

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You got to do all that stuff just like us golfers like we have to get up and we have

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to go chip and putt for two hours and get hit balls for two hours and go maybe play

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nine holes.

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We're not playing 18 holes.

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It's not the way that Tiger ever really got ready for a major.

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It was always about the practice the stuff you're putting into it on the times when the

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camera's not there bottom line.

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Yes.

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It's that it's that individual work to get you ready.

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Normally so if I was prepping a fighter or golfer I would want them to give me 90 days

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before their first tournament.

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And so I could get them in tune with what they need to do and that is to win.

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You know the sport is fun it's a great sport but if you're going to make it to the professional

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level and beat at that level it's to win.

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It's not to hold hands and beat Kumbaya.

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And forgive me gentlemen because sometimes I may not be so PC you know.

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That's fine.

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Yeah that's the way I've always felt.

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It's one of those things.

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That's another Tiger thing.

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I was about to say it seems like a very Tiger eyes kind of the way of thinking right.

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Tim what was that like?

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Yeah what was that like maybe even I don't know sometime this year a reporter asked him

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you know is it the British Open or wherever he's at and like Tiger do you really think

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you can win?

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He's like and he just looks at the guy deadpan like why would you think I'm here?

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Like there's no other reason to come unless I thought I could win.

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And Ray what you're saying is so perfect.

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We're not trying to play for fifth place right?

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No who wants to play for fifth place?

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But it's that whole mindset you know I mean it's amazing just you know having that mindset

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for Tiger though even though the body isn't there anymore the mindset is still there and

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that's training that's discipline you know it's what coach Ray is talking about right

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here having that mindset and hammering it in.

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Absolutely no one no one picked Tiger to win the Masters a few years ago.

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Everybody wrote him off to what he do when I didn't win the Masters again.

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You know when him when him and Rocco were having that battle for the US Open many many

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years ago he was playing on a broken leg.

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And they had to finish the game on Monday.

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Go play 18 more.

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So that's that fusion of mental that's the fusion of mental and physical then right.

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That time.

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But I love the a good coach Coach Jason many years ago he gave me this he gave me this

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jewel.

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He said boxing is 80% mental and 20% physical and I transfer that to the golf course as

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well because we have to we have to read the greens we have to see how it's running on

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the fairway.

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We've got to see how the sand is flowing that day.

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Can I go for it.

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Can I not go for it.

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Is my swing going to him.

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Am I am I shaking it left.

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You know am I going to play with that.

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You know how am I going to get out of this rut.

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And so for me golf is the same way as boxing 80% mental 20% physical the physical aspect

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of it is and forgive me for saying it this way for me it's been easy.

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I've always been an active person.

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Now when I deal with when I deal with golfers that are not active you know and they just

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want to you know get better.

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A couple of things I go through is are you are you drinking while you're playing your

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And most not vodka and soda right.

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We're talking.

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So and that's always going to have an effect you know.

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And it's time.

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There's time for adult beverages after the round if you want to play good.

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You know are there you know with with the you know the fitness side of it you know how

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you know you're touching on the performance of it you know what are some other key aspects

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you know just not just hydration but could you touch into a little bit of like maybe

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the nutrition like what's maybe what should a golfer throughout a round maybe eat snacks

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or anything like that.

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Would that be kind of induce it for a good good round.

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Absolutely.

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I'm a snacker.

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Okay.

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So.

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But I don't I don't want to bust out a complete sandwich out on the golf course.

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I always recommend a decent something decent in the morning before you're around a small

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breakfast nothing too greasy maybe some egg whites nice whole wheat bagel.

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And definitely I'm a fan of Gatorade.

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Some folks aren't.

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Okay.

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Some folks aren't a fan of you know the sports drinks and things of that nature.

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But there's some stuff that there's some stuff that water just can't give you.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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So you know out there have getting your electrolytes in.

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I'm I'm really big into fruit now.

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Okay.

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What kind of fruit.

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Yeah.

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I love I love me some apples bananas and oranges.

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Okay.

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Those are my those are my three go to's.

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And grapes.

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And I'm not.

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But with grapes is a the awesome thing about grapes is it's tasty and it's hydrate it's

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hydrating you at the same time.

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Good.

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So you're getting your you're getting you're getting your natural sugar.

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You're getting hydration out of it and it's good tasting.

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So you know so I definitely want folks to you know keep some keep some nuts and some

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fruits with them and some electrolyte whether it be propel you know that's out there as

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well too.

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Folks don't like Gatorade.

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You know I'm I'm a watered down Gatorade kind of guy.

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You know.

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Because in Florida nothing stays cold when you got it in the cooler.

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Yeah.

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No not at all.

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No.

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No.

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Does it have too much sugar.

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I know it's a specific question but that's the thing you hear about Gatorade compared

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to some of the other.

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Is it is it okay because you are doing exercise and you are working.

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You see the athletes doing it.

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You know.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I know a good a trainer another trainer gave me to gave this jewel to me.

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He said when Gatorade tastes funny you're hydrated.

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Okay.

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When it tastes delicious like it's like oh my god you're dehydrated.

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That's really good.

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That makes sense too because I know that I've you know like you said pick it up in the store

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driving or something and you're like this isn't very good.

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This isn't very good.

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After a good workout or in the middle of a round you're like that's tasty.

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I need another one of those.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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So that was a jewel that another trainer gave me because I had you know we asked these questions

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amongst each other and he said you know and I said yeah if it tastes good you're dehydrated.

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If it doesn't taste good you're hydrated.

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Drink water.

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Wow.

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So hey I got 15 minutes right.

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I'm one of those listeners who I've got 15 minutes in the morning.

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I can we can always find more time.

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That's the biggest excuse that I hear and you hear as far as why people don't workout or

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practice right.

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I don't have the time.

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Well okay you got 15 minutes in the world.

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You can figure something out.

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My point is like if you were going to tell the listeners okay I've got 15 minutes I'm

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going to carve it out in the morning or at night.

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I don't care.

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What is the are you telling them to work on stretching?

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Are you telling them to do some specific weight training?

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You know what's the specific kind of give me one two maybe three at the most because

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we only got 15 minutes.

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Things that they can do to I'm going to go with the you know increased distance in a

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golf swing and basically the way that I see my golf game as I've gotten older is I can

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play 12 holes really well but those last four or five I'm not playing as well because I'm

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not in as good a shape as I was or whatever.

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So big open end question but kind of fill that in if you can.

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No problem.

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So if a client comes to me or an individual or a friend you know and they ask me that

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same question the first thing I'm going to tell them is work on your putting.

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Work on your putting because putting you know what do we do gentlemen?

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We drive for show and what do we do?

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We putt for dough.

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Now if they will say you know I do that you know I work on my golf swing and stuff like

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that what can I do for the 15 minutes that I've got in the morning?

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Definitely work on your flexibility.

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Work on your flexibility and this is for anyone.

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If you are having difficulty touching your toes you're struggling with your flexibility.

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I'm 49 years old gentlemen and I can still touch my toes.

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We talk about that all the time me and T-Mac on some of the podcasts and even just when

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we work together.

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It's amazing how you know and you don't want to be like not PC but you got to tell Mr.

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Smith or Mrs. Smith you know you're not only out of shape you have no flexibility so the

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fact that you think that you're going to hit a golf ball as well as I do and the kind of

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things we put into this thing and I don't care to me Ray I'm glad you said flexibility

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because I was kind of leading you there like I think it's like I don't care what you do

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but get out of bed and do something.

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Does that make sense?

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Go walk around the park for 10-15 minutes get a little cardio going get something going.

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I just finished up a 60-day workout challenge on Facebook where I was video potting myself

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going to the gym in the morning and then I would post the workout afterwards and you

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know and my whole thing was people get up and get active whether it's get out there

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walk the dogs play with the kids go to the gym at six o'clock in the morning which sucks

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you know and I did that I did that for a few reasons.

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Number one reason I wanted to start putting myself out there in the podcast in the video

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cast world.

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Number two I always you know I'm used to working out in the afternoons that's always been my

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go-to so I started the first 30 days working out at 630 7 o'clock in the morning.

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I wanted to change the dynamic of myself and I will tell you this gentleman it changed

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a lot of things but the one thing it really helped me with was my focus.

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I literally could tell you that I wouldn't get aggravated too much throughout the day

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once if that workout was done in the morning but if I saved it for the afternoon I would

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use some of the frustration I got out in the day for workout fuel.

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I'm a different beast like that you know either way.

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Which one do I prefer?

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I definitely prefer afternoons instead of mornings but when I was getting them done

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in the morning I was able to accomplish a lot more in the afternoon and I could squeeze

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in nine if I wanted to.

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Tim do you play better and great for you too but do you guys have a better time of day

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when you play better?

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For me it's the morning time.

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For me it's always been the morning time.

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I love the afternoon conditions where it's dry and ready to go but I think for my mind

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and headspace being out there in the morning is where I get the best work done.

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I agree with that as well.

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I remember when I would play doubles and I'd go in for lunch and play that second round

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but I would notice that what would be funny was that my score would be better on that

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second round because like you said conditions were different.

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You already played it once so you remember oh damn it rolled funky on green number five

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so I'm gonna go for this way.

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On hole seven I hit it in the sand when I went for it so I'm gonna cut down one and

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get in front of that sand.

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I'm a morning guy myself.

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That's good.

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We got friends that are both right?

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We got friends that play much better golf after one o'clock mostly because of the alcohol

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consumption after one o'clock.

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Right?

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You go play pool against some people.

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Some people are much better playing pool with a couple drinks in them than they are without

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drinks in them type of thing.

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We call it swing oil in the industry or whatever you want to call it.

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This weekend myself with my lady we own our own pool table and I was doing good for a

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little while there and I messed up and said hey baby let's have a beer.

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She mopped the floor with me three games in a row.

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So it can work both ways huh?

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I said one beer boy she got her eye right there bam bam bam.

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So Ray what are some common exercises or drills that you kind of give some of the golfers

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or would you recommend to a golfer that's listening to the podcast?

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What's a drill that would most benefit them?

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Any body weight movement, body weight exercises because we're focusing so much on our body

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and swinging that club.

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You don't need to get in there and get on the bench and start benching 225.

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There's no need for that.

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You're not going to do it.

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I would say focus on your body weight movements, body weight push ups, body weight squats,

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body weight lunges.

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Anything that has to deal with your own body weight and focus on that.

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And that makes a lot of sense.

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I mean I think one of the big things that me and Sean have to deal with on a day to

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day basis with some of our students is weight transfer.

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So I think that kind of goes hand in hand with what we kind of talk about on the podcast

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here.

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Wouldn't you agree Sean?

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Yeah I was actually working with a young lady this morning and I got two different stories.

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So I worked with a young lady this morning meaning she's probably 23, 24 years old and

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she comes at it from a field hockey and a softball background.

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Okay.

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Second lesson height.

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Good athlete.

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Yeah good athlete.

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Now there's again difference right?

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Good athlete but can you control your body in the way we're talking about.

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So when I show her the video of her swing and she's hitting everything out to the right

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which is kind of the normal thing and it's not a slice team act.

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It's kind of this like you're standing next on the side of her and she's almost hitting

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you because the ball's coming off the toe of the club so quickly.

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Okay.

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But her swing path and getting a little technical in the world that's fine.

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Swing path is outside in.

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She's swinging across the ball left and then I'd show her the shoulders and they're so

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open.

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So open in fact because she's got the field hockey mentality like almost you know right

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hand way down the shaft.

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Think of somebody in the field hockey position.

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Their shoulders are way open.

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Yeah.

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It's funny like all right we got to change this.

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We got to go the other way.

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It's going to be really weird to make me swing to the right to make the ball go to the left

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because right now the ball is going to the right because you're swinging so far left.

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Yeah.

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And you know once you show them on video once they see it again an athlete once they see

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it they're like oh now I understand what you mean.

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The other thing with that is minimal like our motions and golf swings.

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This is my tagline.

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One of my taglines Ray is pro golfers are efficient.

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Amateur golfers are inefficient.

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Wow.

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The motions that the professional golfers they don't take four exits to get to the same

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part of the world.

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They take one exit.

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We take six exits.

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You know they do six things on the way to the top of the backswing when why are you

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making it so challenging.

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Like just and it sounds so simple to us sounds so simple to you and your world.

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But so those two things combined is like just being aware of where they come from what sport

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they're coming from what background they're doing and being able to see that as a teacher

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like OK now I understand why you do it.

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So we got to make it go the other way.

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But then then just you know so you just you know what I did with it right.

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I went OK let's go nine to three.

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Let's take it.

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Let's take a small practice swing small chipping motion and she's like that's not going to

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be big enough and she hit the best one of the day.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Swing half follow through.

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And you see that that glow in their eyes like they just got hooked by a fish.

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You know they're they're they're hooked to the game for life after that.

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You know that.

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Yeah.

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You got to you got to know who you're working with.

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Like Ray said hey I'm not going to teach you to touch your toes if you can't touch your

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shins.

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Yeah.

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Touch your shins first.

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Yeah.

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You know I'm touching your toes.

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You know I think one of the great things I learned from you Sean is that you know you

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don't need to start with the full swing.

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You just need to kind of start with the chipping motion the small motion first and then we

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start to graduate right.

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As you used to say like we don't just start off on the triple diamond going down the hill

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right.

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Oh you know let's start small and and progress forward.

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Hey let's let's go play let's go play golf on the black tee to start us off.

491
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,040
Let's do it.

492
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Yeah.

493
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Yeah.

494
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,040
No.

495
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,040
No.

496
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,040
I grew up on a par three course Ray.

497
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,120
I mean I'm so glad I grew up on a par three course.

498
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:55,280
My dad brought me there for the first two years and you just learn you your short.

499
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,560
You know I probably would have been defeated if I started off on a regular length golf

500
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,360
course when I was 13 years old.

501
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,360
Yeah.

502
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,360
Yeah.

503
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:09,000
So no and then and then to your point Ray of what you do on that on the personal training

504
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
world.

505
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Yeah.

506
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,120
Okay Ray I'm going to come in.

507
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:17,040
I need to lose 25 pounds by you know by six weeks from now.

508
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,520
Well I'm not your guy right.

509
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,520
Right.

510
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:29,160
Well you know I when when folks come to me and you know it all depends on what their

511
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,840
goal is you know.

512
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Like I said I'm enjoying working with golfers and that's that's the that's the role I want

513
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,040
to go and they say you know I want to lose weight.

514
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,720
Well let's see what you eat.

515
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,800
You know let's check it out.

516
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,760
You know there's there's some folks out there that can survive for one meal a day and there's

517
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,280
some folks out there that do four or five meals a day.

518
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
I'm not saying I'm not saying either one of them is bad.

519
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,680
We just got to figure out what works for you.

520
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,920
I mean that's Michael Phelps you read some of what his intake was during his training

521
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,480
and stuff.

522
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,440
But when you're expending that many calories.

523
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Yes.

524
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,920
You're that tall and your your heart's the size of a horse or whatever.

525
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Like you know there's all these different factors that come into play.

526
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,280
But absolutely so.

527
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,640
But if someone came to me and said hey hey coach I want to get I want to get better in

528
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840
golf but I feel like I'm a little overweight.

529
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,680
The first thing I would say is let's you know let's let's just cut our soda.

530
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680
You drink soda.

531
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Let's cut our soda.

532
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,160
Let's cut our soda for a week and see how you feel.

533
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Let's see how you feel after a week.

534
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Yeah.

535
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,920
Yeah.

536
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,360
Can we not eat after six o'clock at night right or those types of things.

537
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Absolutely.

538
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,760
One of the biggest devastating is I want to say is bread.

539
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,760
OK.

540
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,760
OK.

541
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Bread.

542
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,880
I had a car in the mind.

543
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,760
She was trying to lose some weight and I said do me a favor miss Amber.

544
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Let me know how many sandwiches you eat in a day.

545
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:06,960
And sure enough she came back a week later and she said wow coach I'm eating three sandwiches

546
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,960
a day.

547
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,960
I said exactly.

548
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,960
Wow.

549
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Yeah.

550
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,960
That's a lot of carbs a lot of bread right there.

551
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:25,160
A lot of people don't think bagels or sandwiches are like delicious sandwiches.

552
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,960
But if you're eating you know a bagel breakfast sandwich in the morning and then you get a

553
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:37,120
chick fil a for delicious chicken sandwich there and then you go home for maybe a delicious

554
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,920
pasta dinner with some what garlic bread.

555
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,880
But I think you bring up a great point there Ray.

556
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,560
I think a lot of people they don't really realize what they're eating.

557
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,720
You know they're not really understanding what they're consuming.

558
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,400
It's just a moment.

559
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,500
And if you know if they if you have them recorded or you know you know take a note of it they

560
00:30:56,500 --> 00:31:00,760
really do kind of look and go wow I can't believe I'm eating this many calories.

561
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,720
I mean I think people just get lost in today's you know you know busy society and they're

562
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,840
just they forget about what they're eating or what it is they're putting in their mouth.

563
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,400
It's also the business it's also the busyness of our lives now.

564
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,280
You know it's easier to get a sandwich and convenience easier to get.

565
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Yeah it's easy it's easier to get a delicious public sub you know.

566
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,480
And they are delicious.

567
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,480
A little plug for publics.

568
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,920
It's publics right on.

569
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Your subs are the bomb boys.

570
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,600
So it's true.

571
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,840
What's the what's the now Florida versus Massachusetts different.

572
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,120
But still you're still a human being like I think this is the what was it.

573
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120
I don't know.

574
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,760
Two thousand twenty one I stopped drinking coke.

575
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,320
I had a little challenge with my daughter.

576
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,040
We tried to drink water for a month.

577
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,040
That was April of 2021.

578
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,040
I haven't had a coke since.

579
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160
I'm not like I'm not I mean I'm not like pat myself on the back.

580
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,080
But I was probably a two coke a day guy.

581
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080
And so when I go out to dinner with somebody or whatever like you know I drink I'm like

582
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,520
no I'm just going to water.

583
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,320
Like what do you mean you you get out something.

584
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,320
I'm like no water.

585
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,320
I'm OK.

586
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,320
Yeah.

587
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,760
I might have a tea in the morning or something to give me a little caffeine.

588
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,720
But it's not I don't even know.

589
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040
I don't know how to order off of Starbucks.

590
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,360
You know I'm saying like I don't know how to order a Dunkin Donuts.

591
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Yeah if my wife doesn't order it for me I'm lost on that too friend.

592
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960
Tim John neither do I.

593
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
I mean I'm a coffee guy.

594
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,200
I drink I drink espresso black coffee in the morning.

595
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,840
But you know they look at me strange if I was ever to go to Dunkin Donuts or to Starbucks.

596
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,640
I tell them you know I Starbucks I've got it down.

597
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,120
You know it's two espresso shots there and at Dunkin it's two turbo shots.

598
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,120
Thank you.

599
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,120
I'll show you.

600
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,120
That's it.

601
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,120
I figured it out.

602
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,120
You know.

603
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,120
That's great.

604
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,680
And to your point of like on the golf course I mean I don't think these are perfect but

605
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
I'm a Clif Bar guy like that's my.

606
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Yeah.

607
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,440
I go I to me it's I got four hours.

608
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,960
I'm going to have some type of lunch prior to playing or breakfast.

609
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,880
Let's go with the 9 a.m. tea time 8 a.m. tea time.

610
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,220
And I know it's going to be 11 a.m. and I know I'm going to start just the energy that

611
00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:27,440
you're putting into the game whether it's mental or physical because now we walk a lot

612
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,540
more up here in Massachusetts than we do in Florida.

613
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:35,840
So we're walking up hills you're walking probably six seven miles and you're carrying your bed.

614
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,640
So I look forward to that that mint chocolate chip Clif Bar with my water on number 10 like

615
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
I'm like if I make par on nine I get to have my Clif Bar.

616
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,640
If I don't make par I got to wait till 11.

617
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,640
You know.

618
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Yeah.

619
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160
I do the I do the nature's the nature's best.

620
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,760
I hope I'm saying it right.

621
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,320
With the dark with the dark chocolate and the peanuts as well.

622
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,320
Yes.

623
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Absolutely.

624
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:07,920
And you know no no public such even those who are like you look at some of the you know

625
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,800
the some of the healthy quote unquote healthy stuff there's still there's still a lot of

626
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,800
caffeine in it.

627
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,120
You know there's still quite a bit of sugar is like you just get it.

628
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,800
It's only I mean I don't want.

629
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,800
Yeah.

630
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,800
Sodium.

631
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,800
Yeah.

632
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,800
I don't want to eat cardboard.

633
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,800
I don't want to eat.

634
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,800
You know I don't eat.

635
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,800
I don't have something that can taste a little bit good.

636
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Yes.

637
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,160
But but not you know it doesn't have to be.

638
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Reese's Cup with a with a sprite after nine holes.

639
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,960
No no and it doesn't have to be the share pack and you eat it all yourself.

640
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Yeah.

641
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,960
There you go.

642
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,960
Right.

643
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,360
If you if you want if you want that Reese's I tell you I told you to get it.

644
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,840
But you know if if it's if it's four of it if it's four of them in there just eat one

645
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,480
you know if it's two you know share share with your partner a little self control right

646
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:03,080
a little a little bit goes a long way but this is coming from the man who will sneak

647
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,400
in the middle of the night and steal his ladies candy.

648
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,400
OK.

649
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,400
You know.

650
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,880
I live a little bit.

651
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,880
Yeah.

652
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Absolutely.

653
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Sometimes.

654
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,880
Yeah.

655
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,880
We should do.

656
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Yeah.

657
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,880
So what.

658
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,880
So I got a question for you Ray.

659
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Basically again 53 years old.

660
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,640
So when I went to college at the University of Tampa my college coach.

661
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,640
Right.

662
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:33,560
My college coach said he said all right boys if I find any one of you in the gym working

663
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,440
out you will be off this team.

664
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Wow.

665
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Yeah.

666
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,440
1993 1990.

667
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,480
So 91 92 93.

668
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Yeah.

669
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,480
All right.

670
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,520
And even you know trust me when you go to when you play high school golf and you don't

671
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,800
get a lot of girlfriends because you're playing on the golf team you know I'm saying it wasn't

672
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:58,480
a very popular sport in fact 89.

673
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,480
You get my point.

674
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,480
I got you brother.

675
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Yeah.

676
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,920
My overall point is like OK.

677
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,000
So my college coach tells me you can't go by the go near the gym and we're all like

678
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,080
OK great why would we go to the gym because our role models at that point like Greg Norman

679
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,880
had kind of just come on the scene.

680
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,880
He was pretty good.

681
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,600
He's definitely fit for that age.

682
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,320
Nicholas Nicholas was strong but he wasn't like a fit guy if that makes sense.

683
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,320
Yes.

684
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,320
Yeah.

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Arnold Palmer very very strong again a little bit of a little bit of stomach Craig Craig

686
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Stadler like Ian who's the Mike.

687
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,720
These guys didn't look like they do now and now they look like Dustin Johnson and Tiger

688
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,560
Woods and Grayson.

689
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:45,080
So I get my long witty question would be Tom Watson was known for his forearms like there's

690
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,960
there's golfers that I know that have had huge forearms and it's really because you

691
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,840
have strength in your butt in your arms to kind of keep the face square.

692
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,760
So would you kind of long way question would you go for would you go.

693
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,160
I like the flexibility thing.

694
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,220
I'm the big core plank whatever that is.

695
00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:07,560
Would you go like Bryson talks about shoulders a ton.

696
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,000
He really works on his shoulders and how strong they are because he's trying to pull kind

697
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,760
of give the listener you know your synopsis of where to sort of start in the in the world.

698
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,820
All right.

699
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:20,960
So if I would definitely tell him go to the gym.

700
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,280
I'm 40 I'm 49 years old and this is one of my favorite things to say to people.

701
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,880
I've been lifting weights for 20 something years and I did.

702
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,880
All right.

703
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,840
You know it's it's it's training it's genetics.

704
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:41,000
It's also some supplements that we may not will not talk about you know.

705
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
No.

706
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Yeah.

707
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Yeah.

708
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,440
And so I don't I don't I don't object to weight training at all.

709
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,360
But if I'm if I'm talking to a fellow golfer I tell them there's nothing wrong with with

710
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,040
pull ups you know being able to pull yourself up and do that being able to work being able

711
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,080
to work your core core is number one.

712
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:09,520
I like to refer to it as my trunk for me the golf swing the for me the golf swing and the

713
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,840
box and the and the punch and boxing all start from the feet up.

714
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:15,840
OK.

715
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,840
Kind of like a golf swing.

716
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,840
Yeah.

717
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,600
It comes up and it releases out out from where from our hands and our our arms and our hands

718
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,760
in boxing.

719
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,700
It's a punch in golf.

720
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:27,700
It's the swing.

721
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:28,700
Right.

722
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:29,700
Yes sir.

723
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:37,360
So I try to tell people focus on that focus on core you know get your get your trunk strong.

724
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,280
And my question would be you know I think you know I think Sean brings up a great point

725
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,800
about how Bryson talks about the shoulders and stuff is I think each golfer and each

726
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,120
athlete finds their own power source like for me I'm more of a leg guy like I believe

727
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,520
the power for me comes from the legs like a Justin Thomas or something like that.

728
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,720
So you know I'm in the same category.

729
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:04,520
You know so I think there's I think different athletes find different power sources.

730
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,280
I think the harmony is when you can get all those power sources to work as one unit.

731
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,320
Would you kind of agree with that Ray?

732
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,000
I totally agree with that.

733
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,520
A hundred and ten percent.

734
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,360
But for me like yourself is for me it starts with my legs as well.

735
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,760
It starts from the from the feet and it works its way up the entire body.

736
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Yeah.

737
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,760
Yeah.

738
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,760
So so I got a question.

739
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,760
This is personal.

740
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:36,240
This summer Ray and Tim I've really been focusing on basically my hip speed and how fast I can

741
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,720
rotate my left hip behind me and that that straightens my left leg.

742
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:47,240
And that's the whole posting up concept and really using the ground to push.

743
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,240
Yeah.

744
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,920
Push off the ground with that left foot.

745
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,600
So my hip speed I've always had a really like the thing people when they watch me and not

746
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,720
being I get I've got a very smooth temple golf swing.

747
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,640
It looks very pretty.

748
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,280
And that's because my role models were Ernie L's Davis Love and Freddie Couples.

749
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,360
Like that's where I got that from.

750
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Beautiful swings.

751
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,360
Yeah.

752
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,920
They're just beautiful rhythmic fast but they're rhythmic right.

753
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Yeah.

754
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,200
So so my again kind of where I'm going is in boxing.

755
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,760
I know I love what you're saying like you got to use the ground.

756
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,560
I'm not going to produce that that strong right hand into the body into the body or

757
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,360
into the face with an extension.

758
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,520
I'm going to get to that in a second without having my power come from the ground.

759
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Does that does that kind of make sense?

760
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,360
And then how quickly I rotate my hip to get my arm to get to the guy's face.

761
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,360
Yeah.

762
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Absolutely.

763
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,360
How fast that back foot can turn.

764
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,400
We call it a pivot.

765
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,680
We call it a pivot.

766
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,020
You know introducing into the hip.

767
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:52,640
And then the final the final thing is the hand and the arm coming out.

768
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,860
And even and as I've taught many many boxes before there's a thing called hand fatigue

769
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:02,960
where they'll just sit there with their hands balled up in their gloves and they're not

770
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,960
hitting anything.

771
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,960
No.

772
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,960
No.

773
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,920
The only time your hand should be you know in a fist is at point of impact.

774
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,920
Okay.

775
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:13,920
Yes.

776
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,480
It should not be clenched up in your gloves while you're waiting to throw a punch.

777
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,480
They should be relaxed.

778
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Your phalanges should be relaxed inside of your gloves.

779
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,560
And finally when you go to get ready to throw that punch and all that kinetic energy moving

780
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,280
up through your body from your shoulder through your arm out of your hand.

781
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,440
That's at the point of impact is when you clench that fist and that's when you get it.

782
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,440
Interesting.

783
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,360
And the same thing the same thing with the golf swing.

784
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,840
I've learned myself with my own swing the slower I take that club that's the slower

785
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,720
I make that motion for the socket to my get it to it when I finally get to that ball.

786
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,520
But if I try to rush it I'm pulling it left or slicing it right.

787
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,520
You know.

788
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,520
Yeah.

789
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,520
You lost you lost all your energy.

790
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Yes you have.

791
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Yeah.

792
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Absolutely.

793
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Yeah.

794
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,520
That's a great point.

795
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,520
I didn't even know that.

796
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,520
That's that's wonderful.

797
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Yes sir.

798
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,400
We we talk a lot.

799
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,960
You know I use I use a boxing analogy probably twice a week.

800
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Right.

801
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,680
In my god I love it.

802
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:25,840
So my boxing analogy is at impact I need your arms to be as extended as they can be at impact

803
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,440
or post impact from your body as possible.

804
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,720
So we call it either alligator arms or tyrannosaurus Rex arms when your arms are being pulled in

805
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,720
towards your body.

806
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:36,720
Right.

807
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,320
Hey why am I talking to my husband's tell me I'm lifting my head up.

808
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Nothing to do with your head your arm your hands are coming in towards your body.

809
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Yeah.

810
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,040
You can't do that any athletic sport that you do and I will take the 60 year old lady

811
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,040
I'll say ma'am if I was ever going to punch you I would never punch you.

812
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,520
But if I was ever going to punch you I would never and I stand real close to him right

813
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,840
and I'm like I would never punch you with my my elbow bent.

814
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,520
I would stand back and I had rear back and I have my arm fully extended into your face.

815
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Yeah.

816
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,520
Yes.

817
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:12,640
So that's what I'm that's what I'm producing the most power flexibility speed that's happening

818
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,040
after impact not before impact because they all think it happens right before.

819
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,040
No it's post impact is what we're looking for.

820
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,560
And that's I guess I've never but I mean when you hit somebody boxing you want to hit through

821
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,480
them you don't want to just hit them top of their face.

822
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,480
You know.

823
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,800
No no you're punching you're punching through that person.

824
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,480
One of my favorite ones as well to us is when we're throwing a punch we're throwing it with

825
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,480
bad intentions.

826
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,480
I'm right.

827
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,000
I try to I try to make a friend.

828
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
OK.

829
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Same thing same thing when we're trying to hit that golf ball.

830
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:55,280
You know you know when you try to get up there and you try to be sweet and kind and let me

831
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,880
just finesse it you know.

832
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,000
Oh man get up there and smack the shit out that ball.

833
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Right.

834
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Yeah.

835
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,000
What do they do.

836
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000
What do they do.

837
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,040
They decelerate and they hit the ball to the right or the left and they wonder why.

838
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,040
Absolutely.

839
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Take take it back slow and then bring it forward.

840
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,040
I don't myself I don't work with a lot of golfers swings.

841
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,520
I go with I go with you know swing your own swing.

842
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Let me just help you get let me just help you get better.

843
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,520
I said I usually break it down with numbers you know.

844
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,720
How many times do we use our driver in an 18 round.

845
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,920
Maybe 16 15 times at the most.

846
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:41,760
How many times how many times are we hitting 150 to 100 100 yard shot almost 72 percent

847
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,760
of the time.

848
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,960
So if I'm only using if I'm only using my driver 15 16 times in a round the golf I'm

849
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,880
not put so much big focus on that.

850
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,080
You know let's work on 150.

851
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,820
Let's work on 150 and under that once we get locked down 150 and under then we can work

852
00:44:57,820 --> 00:44:59,520
on 200 and under.

853
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Then we can go from 200 to 225 you know.

854
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,800
So that's why that's how I try to break it down.

855
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,640
I mean it sounds a lot like what me and Sean try to teach our students.

856
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Let's not try to go hit the home run first.

857
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,200
Let's try to get the single and the double and the triple and just kind of keep moving

858
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,560
that progress forward because I think you know a lot of people get discouraged if they're

859
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,200
not hitting that home run off the bat and you've got to teach them and bring them along

860
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,400
slowly that hey this is a development process and you've got to you know you've got to

861
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,480
walk before you run.

862
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,120
And that's why earlier I mentioned putting I mean how many times Tim John have we made

863
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,560
it on the green and two and we for putt.

864
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,760
I can raise my hand on that one a couple times.

865
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:45,160
Oh man I've taken a chunk out the green before you know.

866
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,560
God forgive me.

867
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:53,000
You know yeah that's how matters.

868
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,960
This is the this is the cool thing about the podcast in general Ray.

869
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,120
I'm hoping I hope you understand that like that that mean you've never talked right and

870
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,440
we're talking like you would sit in the back porch having a drink of water or a date or

871
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,440
whatever.

872
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,720
The whole point is that we got all these things you know that are symbiotic in our in our

873
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:19,480
daily life of what you do personal training boxing playing golf what we do for our side.

874
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,640
And I think that's the greatest part of what we do here on the podcast.

875
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,640
So I appreciate you coming on.

876
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,840
I got one more question for you.

877
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Go ahead.

878
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,200
So OK.

879
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Again I'm trying to keep these two like five minute questions but basically to produce speed

880
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:41,080
and to hit it further the club head has to be moving quicker quicker quickly right quicker

881
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,080
than it is currently.

882
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,320
If you're only hitting one hundred and forty yards seven iron that means the club that's

883
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,480
only moving 78 miles an hour through the impact zone.

884
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,360
So I got to create I got to get it to go eighty four miles an hour.

885
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,360
So I need a club head to move faster.

886
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,200
So I will tell you this right.

887
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,440
I can't I mean I can't tell you the number of lessons where I come up to the person and

888
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,720
I say all right ma'am sir let me let me kind of start guiding the club for you and I hold

889
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,720
the shaft.

890
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:15,120
I'm like a maybe a two inches below their hands like just on the shaft of the club.

891
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,360
They take the club back nice and smooth like you're talking about.

892
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:24,840
They start coming down right before impact that thing is so tight their hands are so

893
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:25,840
tight on that shaft.

894
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,920
You can feel it.

895
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:34,120
You can feel like ma'am sir what do you think is going to happen at this point.

896
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,120
We need this thing moving as fast as it possibly can be at this point.

897
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,560
And if the ball is going to the right there's a huge component of you holding on to that

898
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,600
shaft so tight you're not allowing the club head to turn.

899
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,960
But we got to have some freedom.

900
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,440
So it goes I don't know if it's the same point as your as your punching analogy with the

901
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,440
fist.

902
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,440
It is the exact same point.

903
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Yeah I think it is.

904
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160
It sure is.

905
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,800
So this is concept of like it's not death grip by any means.

906
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,720
It's not flimsy by any means to your point of like OK when I'm going to get to the point

907
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,360
of actually hitting the person I'm going to clench my fist.

908
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,960
It's kind of this riding this fine line of power intentionality is the term I use.

909
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,640
I like your term too.

910
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,240
Being really intentional at the bottom.

911
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,240
Don't be wussy.

912
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,920
Don't be like kind of just like you said trying to like.

913
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,680
No I got to be super intentional to hit the ball and through the golf ball.

914
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,400
That's usually the driver concept right.

915
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,640
Through the through the ball with driver.

916
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,280
Yeah the face is real square.

917
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
I can't just kind of lolly gag my driver through impact.

918
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,200
I'm going to hit it high and go right.

919
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,200
So take take that to whatever it is.

920
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
But I think it's just great talking about the different sports and.

921
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:58,640
Yeah that's the way the way I've also I've tried to break it down to folks and and I've

922
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,440
said you know when I've been out there on the range which I like I said I don't you

923
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,200
know if they're if they're avid golfer or you know they're playing in high school I don't

924
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080
like messing with nobody swing.

925
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,040
You know but if it's if it's someone I'm tutoring or I'm just helping out on the range I said

926
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,720
don't choke the chicken.

927
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:18,720
All right.

928
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,560
Yeah you don't need to you don't need to choke them to death.

929
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,560
All right.

930
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,400
Act like you're holding two eggs in your hand.

931
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,160
You know you don't want to crush those eggs but you want to hold them suckers firm.

932
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,800
So if you got the throne with somebody you're ready.

933
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,280
You know and that kind of comes back to I mean we had an earlier episode with Sean and

934
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,800
he had a lesson with Tim Poulsen.

935
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,080
I think Sean was a little shocked about how much you need to have the grip you know in

936
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,520
your hands and your fingers but how you still need to have that combination of not death

937
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,760
gripping it.

938
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,680
Is that kind of make sense Sean.

939
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,640
Well I think it's to Tim to raise point to write and team I can talk about this all the

940
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,640
time.

941
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,680
So part of the reason Nicholas I mean he's got a million million things that he's good

942
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,920
at but one of the things he never did was he never grounded the golf club.

943
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,440
And when you don't ground the golf club when you start it from a position of consistent

944
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,360
grip pressure from the beginning instead of we have the club on the ground and immediately

945
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,360
people add pressure to their hands as they pick the club up.

946
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,440
That is kind of a death knell right.

947
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,600
It's a reason.

948
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,840
So as you can get I'm not telling everybody advocating everybody to kind of not ground

949
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,080
the club but Flick Jim Flick told him that at the beginning and he learned it that way

950
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,120
and he never deviated from that way.

951
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,280
So it just allowed him to always have consistent grip pressure and I think that's what it comes

952
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,000
down to is don't add pressure as you get right to the bottom of the swing or to the extension

953
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
of the punch.

954
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
I don't know.

955
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,000
Again if we're saying this the same way.

956
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Absolutely.

957
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Yeah.

958
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,600
Focus on your focus on your form your technique.

959
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Yep.

960
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,440
And that's that's the key right there.

961
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,640
I've always I've always said especially in the boxing world you know I could I could

962
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,040
make you punch 300 punches and in in one round.

963
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,320
But what what good is that.

964
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:16,960
I would bet you 125 with good form and good technique than to make you punch 300 300 punches

965
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,960
you know.

966
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,960
I'll let you take that one.

967
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,640
You know I think that's a great analogy for me and Sean.

968
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:29,200
I mean I think we tell our students you know I'd rather see 10 quality good shots out of

969
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,920
that basket of 100 balls that you're just jonesing to hit.

970
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,440
But you know if you just rapid fire through 100 100 balls or 50 balls you don't develop

971
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120
any of that feel or anything like that.

972
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,540
You know we all advocate quality over quantity and I think that's the point that we all try

973
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:48,280
to get to as coaches.

974
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,960
But I think we've I think some it's gotten to a point where you know you hear this you

975
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,160
hear the one if you do something 10,000 times you'll master it.

976
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,760
Well if you do it 10,000 times bad you're still going to master it bad.

977
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,760
You know what I mean.

978
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Yes.

979
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,760
What the hell you talking about.

980
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,760
You know.

981
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,720
Well I think you make a great point but people just don't want to put in the time they want

982
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:14,480
it immediate like they're thinking I'll just hit a thousand balls a day and I'll get there.

983
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,680
It's a slow progression.

984
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,920
You know it might be you know 10 quality shots like you know Tiger said when he was coming

985
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,800
back he would he would hit a you know two or three good shots out of a basket of balls

986
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,320
and he knew he was making progress if he hit three or four the next day and you've got

987
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,440
to have that kind of mindset when you're going instead of just hey I'm going to hit a thousand

988
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,440
balls because I hit a thousand balls.

989
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Does that make sense as well.

990
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,560
It makes total sense.

991
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,920
I had a I forget that I forgot the gentleman's name because it was over you know 20 something

992
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,280
you know I'm 49 now so it's 30 years ago.

993
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:53,480
You know he gave me a jewel when I was on the driving range and I would if I started

994
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,880
it's always with your lowest clubs.

995
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:02,320
You're wedges and your irons you know and anything that had a letter on it and balls

996
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,680
with it anything that had a number with it you hit that number of balls with it.

997
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,680
Yeah interesting.

998
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,360
And so and so that's how I would go.

999
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,360
Yeah.

1000
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,360
So I would go up in clubs.

1001
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,760
You know I'd go six iron I hit six balls and if I go with my four iron I hit four balls

1002
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,160
you know and then with the driver of course I had a three wood I hit three of them you

1003
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,080
know if I had a five wood if I had a five wood you know I hit five of them you know

1004
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,640
and then with the big driver I'd only hit you know one or two and that's how I would

1005
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,880
I would work my practice that way.

1006
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,880
Making it into the game.

1007
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,120
I apologize Ray I'm probably going to steal that one from you.

1008
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,120
Sorry.

1009
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Hey that's okay Sean it's all good brother I don't mind.

1010
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,880
And then I would I tell people if you've got a wedge that's like a 56 or a 60 degree you

1011
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,280
know just double that number that 60 degree make that 12 balls that 56 make it 11.

1012
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,280
I'm going to hit 56 Ray.

1013
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,840
I think that's fun to warm up with anyway so yeah.

1014
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,320
Oh man yeah.

1015
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:11,000
But I've used I've used that practice philosophy for many many years I've passed it on to other

1016
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,160
friends and fellow golfers as well too.

1017
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,560
You know just you know you ain't got to get out there hit a thousand balls it ain't like

1018
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:23,000
that you know you know you ain't got to you ain't got to go to the gym and squat 400 pounds

1019
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,720
and put it on the YouTube you know it ain't it ain't all that.

1020
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:27,720
Yeah.

1021
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:32,760
So it's a thing too like I've heard somebody say it's like it didn't it didn't take me

1022
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,000
you know it took me six months to put on 15 pounds of weight.

1023
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,440
Meaning like I got a little heavy so why would I think I could get that off in three weeks

1024
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,920
like it might take me six months to get 15 pounds off like you know.

1025
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Well you know Sean I know Tim remembers this when we were in school because we did attend

1026
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,280
the same high school go Bulldogs.

1027
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Go dogs.

1028
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,080
Hey I coach there I coach there Ray I coach there.

1029
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Awesome.

1030
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,520
I coach the boys team for four years.

1031
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,520
State champ right.

1032
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,520
Didn't you guys get state champ.

1033
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,520
No no.

1034
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Or regional.

1035
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,520
Don't get crazy now.

1036
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,520
Yeah we'll keep going.

1037
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,520
District conference.

1038
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,520
There you go.

1039
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Conference.

1040
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,520
OK.

1041
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,520
I knew it was something.

1042
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Go dogs.

1043
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,520
Go dogs.

1044
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,640
Well Sean I want to say go go Spartans for you for going playing in Tampa.

1045
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,200
By the way I wanted to throw that out there.

1046
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,720
But you know when we were in school I remember Tim's dad didn't let him play football you

1047
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:25,720
know.

1048
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:30,800
It was baseball it was baseball and golf you know that's that was it.

1049
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,640
They just for myself they just needed a body on the team you know I was a fifth quarter

1050
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:45,160
starter so but it gave me it gave me the opportunity to be part of the team when I came from just

1051
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,440
an individual sport like boxing.

1052
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,440
Yeah.

1053
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160
Then after football season we wasn't doing much.

1054
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:56,200
So that's when I was introduced to golf and my first golf course I ever played was you

1055
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,560
know Southport right here Zephyr Hills.

1056
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,600
And I still I'm still adding and I still love the course to this day.

1057
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:12,480
It gave me such it gave me such a great feeling of being out there and the camaraderie I had

1058
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,480
with my boys.

1059
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Yeah.

1060
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,920
And now I go play by myself.

1061
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,040
That's how much enjoyment I have of the game.

1062
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:25,200
You know my lady my lady will be taught you know I'll be on my way home from because I

1063
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:31,320
work for the Department of Corrections so I handle Internet for and telephone for correctional

1064
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:36,080
institutions so I'll be on my way home from an institution and Tim my favorite spot right

1065
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,560
off of right off of seventy five is to big golf country club.

1066
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,200
I hit that nine hole right there.

1067
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,200
There you go.

1068
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,200
You know what I mean.

1069
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,200
I get it done.

1070
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,200
I get it done in a lunch hour.

1071
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,200
It is perfect.

1072
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Absolutely.

1073
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,480
That's a that's a great little par three they've got over there at Tampa Bay Golf and Country

1074
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Club.

1075
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,760
I didn't encourage more of my players and students to go there and play instead of trying

1076
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,760
the big tracks.

1077
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,760
Yeah.

1078
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,240
You know it's a it's a great feel.

1079
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:05,080
It puts us in the dynamic of 200 yards and under and that's where that's where you're

1080
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,520
going to win the game and on the putting green.

1081
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,520
Absolutely.

1082
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:16,340
So Ray before we break what are some future future trends or future things that you see

1083
00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:17,600
for fit for life.

1084
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,500
What do you guys got on the horizon for your company.

1085
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:22,080
Tell us.

1086
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Well we're going to try to get our social media up and running a little bit better.

1087
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,480
Right now I'm on YouTube and coach Ray.

1088
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:37,600
I'm on Facebook as well as coach Ray but we want to migrate more to Fit for Life.

1089
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,360
We're going to get our dot com back up and running for 2025.

1090
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:46,160
Great and we just want to start putting out quality content.

1091
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,420
Good good.

1092
00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:48,680
And what's the website again.

1093
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,680
Tell us again.

1094
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Tell our viewers.

1095
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,440
It's it's ww dot fit for life.

1096
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,720
Florida dot com.

1097
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:57,720
That's great.

1098
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:58,720
That's great.

1099
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,720
So and one last question I would have for you.

1100
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,160
If you had a foursome who would it be.

1101
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,440
All right.

1102
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,360
Well number one it would be my dad playing.

1103
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:17,120
Unfortunately I lost him at the age of five so I would love to play around the golf with

1104
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,120
my dad.

1105
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,120
That's great.

1106
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:25,000
Yeah that would be the number one person I would have.

1107
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,720
Number two would be Lisa Harris.

1108
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:35,100
She did such a great you know thing for golf in the Tampa Bay area for women's golf as

1109
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:36,100
well too.

1110
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,100
Yeah.

1111
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:38,100
And yeah.

1112
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:45,160
And I would say you know number four would you know would be you know Jack Nicholas.

1113
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,200
You know I just think I just think he's awesome.

1114
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,000
You know pretty good group of guys right there.

1115
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,240
Pretty good group right there.

1116
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,160
That would be a lot of fun I would think.

1117
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,160
Yeah.

1118
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,280
I would definitely enjoy that round the golf.

1119
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,280
That's great.

1120
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,280
That's great.

1121
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,280
So.

1122
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,280
So John did you have any other questions for Coach Ray tonight.

1123
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,640
Now I feel like it's one that we need to get him back on because we covered a bunch but

1124
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,400
we can still more you know there's still more to cover in the future.

1125
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,840
So as I'm excited to see his progress as his company keeps going and you know we just got

1126
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:24,680
a lot of similar things to talk about and good for you Ray good for what you're doing.

1127
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,680
Go Bulldogs.

1128
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,040
Go Spartans and yeah we'll talk again.

1129
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Yeah absolutely.

1130
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,040
Thank you.

1131
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,320
Well Tim and Sean thank you so much for having me on your podcast.

1132
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,760
I really appreciate it.

1133
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,680
I can't I can't tell you how I can't wipe the smile off my face.

1134
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,840
I've been smiling for an hour brother.

1135
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,680
I appreciate you sir.

1136
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,520
I just want to tell you listen as a quick a quick little story.

1137
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:58,080
I know a lot of these golf courses you have the opportunity on a par three bet five dollars

1138
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,560
and the chance to win ten thousand dollars.

1139
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,560
Well folks do it.

1140
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:05,560
Okay.

1141
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,560
All right.

1142
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Do it.

1143
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:20,440
In 2019 coach Ray his first hole in one did not get the five dollars to win the ten grand.

1144
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,440
Oh man.

1145
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Yes.

1146
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,440
Yes.

1147
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,600
No brother.

1148
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,680
And I tell everybody this I still remember that I stood the pro even he said he said

1149
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,480
you guys want to bet five dollars on the party challenge.

1150
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,720
I looked at that gentleman right in his face and I told him I've been playing golf for

1151
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,040
twenty five years now as it happened yet.

1152
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,600
It's not going to happen.

1153
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,680
That day was never say never and bet the five dollars people.

1154
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,680
All right.

1155
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,600
It's five dollars.

1156
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,200
That's good stuff man.

1157
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,200
That's great man.

1158
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,160
So yeah Ray we'd love to get you back on the show here in the future.

1159
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:05,120
I think there's so much more that we could go over especially for most of our students.

1160
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:10,720
I really enjoy the idea that how much cross pollinating that you know each sport has you

1161
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,720
know there's a lot of things similarities with what you do and what we do.

1162
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,680
So I think our listeners got a great a great listen a great a great lesson today.

1163
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,640
So I want to say thank you and thank you to the listeners at dynamic golf.

1164
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:25,800
Thank you so much guys.

1165
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,800
I appreciate it and I would love to be on your podcast again.

1166
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,480
Talk soon guys.

1167
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,480
Talk soon.

1168
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,480
All right.

1169
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,480
Take care.

1170
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,480
Have a great night everybody.

1171
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,680
Stay safe through the hurricane.