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Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf.

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So welcome back our listeners, our Dynamic Golf listeners.

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I am your co-host Tim McElvanagh and with me today is my partner Sean Klotz.

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Sean, what are we going to be talking about today, partner?

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Hey, Tim Mc, how are you doing? Great to hear from you as always.

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I thought today we'd probably get a little more deep dive into some of the things that will really help our listeners become better ball strikers.

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I think there's some concepts out there that are either misunderstood or people, as they come to us for lessons, they kind of focus on the wrong things.

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Again, either their buddies told them something on the drive range or when they're playing.

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And this goes for guys and girls, by the way, this is certainly a unisex type of podcast here because we're all doing similar things.

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Absolutely.

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Again, some YouTube stuff is great. We talked about us, we got to get some YouTube content out there a little better to explain some of these concepts we talked about.

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Just basically the fact that, you know, let's find the bottom of the swing. I think that's just such an understated term. You don't really read about that, hear about that too often.

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But when you listen to or watch or especially if you will go watch a tour player at an event, their ball contact is consistent, right?

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Which is what everyone wants.

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Absolutely. And that's what all of our students come to us. They want consistency. And I think you're hitting at the right spot.

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If you want to be consistent, you need to know what the club's doing or the interaction that's happening down at the bottom when the club is making interaction with the ball. And you got to understand that.

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My lead story is, or my lead example is, I was watching VJ Singh at the Masters, I'm going to say around 2005. And it just happened to be that I was up there going to a tournament.

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I really loved their practice area. Obviously the golf course is ridiculous, but I really loved their practice area as well. And, you know, when you go to Bay Hill, have you been to TPC watching a tournament there?

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No, I haven't been to TPC. I mean TPC at Tampa, but I haven't been out to Sawgrass at all.

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Jacksonville, yeah. So I mean, there's just certain events that have like Innisbrook and Clearwater isn't a great range because it's kind of a small viewing area.

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So one of my things would be to, through our listeners, get to a tour event. I don't care if it's girls or guys, by the way. That doesn't matter.

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Yeah.

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So I get good. And take, you know, really plan part of your day to go watch them on the range. And you'll hear way different sounds than you do when you hit a golf ball.

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Absolutely. You're not going to hear that big chunky sound that most of us hear at the local driving range.

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Right. Right. And, you know, even when we're playing with people and, you know, and we're good. But again, we, you know, our skill level is like, okay, we're good. But there is 15 levels of good in front of us, you know, towards the tour player level.

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Maybe even more levels than that.

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Well, you know, to your self credit, like we can, we're good. But the thing about the consistent ball striking. So, so VJ Singh is at this part of the, and he's by himself. He's in a ferry bunker, which I thought was really weird and ironic.

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What is he doing over there where every other, every other player is on the range, you know, the grass part. He's in there for 45 minutes and he's just striping it out of this ferry bunker, hitting it 160, 170 yards. I don't care what club it was.

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The couple things was you saw grains of sand being hit after the ball. Obviously never a bat, not never, but very rarely was there a hit behind the golf ball concept.

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And he talked about it in my golf magazine, like the next month, I happened to read the article, which I again, that was cool. And the interview room, because they did, they said, hey, we noticed you're hitting it out of a ferry bunker at Augusta. What are you doing? He said, I'm really trying to find the bottom of my swing.

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I think it's so important for me to know where that club makes contact with the golf ball and then what happens after that. And too many people are so concerned about lifting the ball up in the air. And we're more concerned about hitting down through the golf ball and having our, if we take a do it, it's going to be after the golf ball.

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Correct. Correct. And, you know, and I think that's a, that that's really cool that you were actually there to see VJ doing that. You're also there able to read the article. So you're able to connect with what he was trying to do at that moment.

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And I think that, you know, that really brings up a great way to kind of practice. If you're kind of a person that's struggling with your low point, get yourself in the sand. And if you can hit that thing clearly or cleanly, then you're hitting that ball first and then getting that sand instead of the opposite way, which we're kind of taught in the bunker to hit the sand first and then the ball. Right?

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Different bunker shot there, right? You know, definitely the fairway bunker is the one where, and maybe even a little side note for people, very bunker play. The goals are keep your lower body quiet. Don't move your legs very much because we're going to really use a little more of your arms and your downswing.

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If you drive into the ground, you're going to tend to hit more dirt and kind of take the extra club. That's always the thing. You know, definitely take an extra club because you're not going to swing it as fast as you would on grass. And, and I like kind of the three quarter motion instead of the full backswing. Again, everything's to avoid hitting the ball first or hitting the ground first.

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Correct. Correct. Making sure that we're pinching that ball first.

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Yep. You stay more level and we do it in our teaching when we get people with their feet together. If somebody's really, just again, just had a member this week who was struggling with ball striking, hitting the ground first.

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And you know, classic type A personality getting frustrated, you know, quickly is like, what am I doing? You hit the ground first. You know, you have to get ball first and get your feet close together. And he's like, that doesn't feel comfortable. I said, I don't really care. Like get your feet close together. Let's hit some balls, some eight irons. And I don't have no, I don't care how far this ball goes. You just need to make contact.

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And he stepped up there and the first three were amazing. And he's like, what? I said, yeah, if you don't move as much and you, you know, you're, you're doing your weight transfer better because you're narrower. We're going to start having a much better, clearer idea in your head of what you're supposed to do with your feet apart in a bigger swing.

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Much more of a natural athleticism that comes out when we do that. Right. Instead of this aggressive, you know, he man mentality that I see some people have, you know,

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Good, good characterization. Like he's a strong guy and he's, you know, he's been, and we've talked about this before too. He's been successful in other sports. So, and I'm like, and he did again, kind of maybe 20 minutes later, he's like, so it's not about how hard I hit it. He said, nope.

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At some point I always want you to swing as fast as you can, but in the right, with the right mechanics. Correct. Correct. With the right transition and the right, you know, body movements. Of course, we don't want to get everything out of balance and stuff like that.

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So, but I was going to ask, you know, when, when we talk about these things and stuff like this, how important, and I know this is an important part for you. How important is the grip for the golfer, especially for, you know, low point, you know, when we talk about making contact, how important is the grip that you find Sean, when you teach?

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Yeah. You know, I guess I might, might've maybe morphed in the past 10 years of teaching or whatever, because I used to be pretty, you had to kind of have a conventional slightly, you know, either neutral or slightly strong grip.

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I'm not so concerned about that anymore. I think grip is hugely, arguably the most important thing for what the club face is doing at impact. If it's going left, square or right. That's where I think grip becomes really, really important.

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I would say maybe the stronger grip, which is, you know, for the right-handed player, the hands more to the right side of the grip. I think that might impact some people hitting it thought sometimes. Is that what you see too? Cause they kind of use that right hand a little more.

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Yes. Yes, absolutely. You know, once they start getting that right hand, what I say pushing, you know, then they start kind of, you know, hitting into the ground a little bit early and staying, having that left hand kind of, you know, catch that ball and then releasing it. Like, you know, almost like throwing a frisbee down there at the bottom, you know, when they get that right hand pushing and the right arm starts extending to there.

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There's, you know, it's just not the hand. You start seeing other parts of the body start to move as well and it's just getting everything, the shoulder, the arm and the hands, and then it's just kind of fat city.

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So that almost always leads to where their weight stays on their back leg coming through impact. And that's the killer. That's the killer. So if you follow the trail, top of your backswing, right hand goes first instead of left leg going towards the target.

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Your right hand starts to try to scoop the ball up in the air. Your weight shifts back towards your right foot instead of towards your left foot. And just, you know, once you start, then it's all started at the top of the back swing.

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So it's always getting right off the ball. It's always extending right after the ball, just before the ball. And then certainly the thing that we see on the other side of this one is the, you know, classic chicken wing or we call it like touring as well.

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before the ball and then certainly the thing that we see on the other side of

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this one is the you know classic chicken wing or we call it like Taurin

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a source your ex-arms you got your hands really short and they look like they're

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close to your body instead of little alligator yeah if you think of the Rory

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swing and you think of Schaeffler is great because he's got his hands are

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high and away from his body almost the entire time Justin Thomas really similar

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you know looking swing hands are high father far away from it so they don't

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really ever get their hands they don't ever get their hands close to their

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body on on follow through their arm they're extending yeah and it's always

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you know it's kind of leading you know maybe you're right it could be hey if

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you got a bad right hand grip maybe it's gonna be a thing where you're gonna try

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to use your right hand already and yeah maybe I should pay for that more I think

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there's other ways to skin the cat too if that makes sense you know when you're

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teaching absolutely you know it's it's the message that we convey to the

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student and it's how they they digest that information right I mean there's

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sometimes you know you'll you'll tell them one way and they don't get it and

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you tell them a different way and it just it clicks form and yeah for the

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instructors sometimes it doesn't make any rhyme or reason why just whatever

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makes up that person that was something the words that you used or the the

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feeling that you gave them related to what it is and then they're they're kind

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of off and running you know right right I think that's the sign of the good

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instructor too is not to be so egotistical may not be the term but

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sort of set in your ways that they have to learn it your way with your wording

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a lot of times let them rephrase it let them you know and there's been some times

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in the past couple weeks I've been teaching a little more up here I'll say

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it the way that it's you know not supposed to be said the way that the way

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that I think it's what you said and then you know 10 minutes later they're

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they're saying it in a different way but it's in their head and it's come up and

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it's in there working so you don't say no no no I want you to think of it no

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just let them go there they're starting to see some positive results so yeah

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absolutely and I think you know there's a few things there for instructors to

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understand one is at least for me I find generations are different with different

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wordings like if I'm speaking to an older crowd or a younger crowd there's

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different terminology that I use and the sports that they play you know older

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generations play different sports than the younger generation now plays and if

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you can kind of relate those those topics and those ideas to them it seems

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to kind of help foster the growth that we're looking for yeah 100% no it's it's

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uh you got to be able to I don't want to talk bad about some of the other big box

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teaching facilities I'll just use it that term but it's we're not all built

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the same our arm links not the same our athletic backgrounds aren't the same you

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can't cookie-cutter teach people to play golf no yes your right hand should be

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below your left hand on a golf swing you know like yes your feet should be a

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certain amount of distance away and you should be square with your feet there

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are definitely basic concepts that have to be you know applied to but once you

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get going if you took the tour players really more even today but you know kind

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of that 1970s 60s 70s 80s since since the last 20 years they become a little

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bit more consistent looking mm-hmm golf swings on tour but it's mostly because of

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video I would say that the instructions become more like okay yeah

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Moe Norman we would never teach Moe Norman's golf swing but literally the

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best ball striker you know when his peers tell people that he's the best

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ball striker ever yeah okay yeah I mean yeah you're absolutely right that's not

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a swing that you're gonna say hey let's go out and copy that swing but if you

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would look at the results and say you you you would never change it though you

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know what I mean it's kind of like Scottie Scheffler you know when they

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they asked his instructor you know would you change his footwork when when he was

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seven years old and he says have you ever seen Scottie hit a ball right so I

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mean there are talents like that where they just kind of go around the mold a

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little bit and they're able to just yeah athleticism is able to take them around

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but you're right you have to have certain fundamentals to achieve what we

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need to and having that putting that in different terminologies for different

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people and and as you said not having a cookie cutter kind of way and making

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sure that you're on your toes thinking what's the best thing for this student

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and what's gonna relate best to them is what you've got to do on every session I

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think you just can't be yeah keep hitting the ball keep hitting it yeah

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you're too flat you're too upright that's that's not gonna that's not gonna

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fly if I if I give you these names right you're gonna start associating this

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with with some golf swing stuff and basically if I give you like a Ray

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Floyd which is older I know you're not that old but you get you've probably

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seen videos of him oh yeah I've read his books I love Raymond Floyd you go so

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Raymond Floyd you know we Trevino Jack Nicklaus had an unconventional left foot

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we had a flying elbow too right I mean nobody would teach that nowadays the

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flying elbow no Palmer's Palmer's follow-through you know Jim Furek never

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teach that that motion except he's the only guy to shoot 58 twice right I mean

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so how do we think that okay there's only one way to do it I guess is probably

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the overall general thing but I think it kind of comes back to what you're saying

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in the beginning of our session is that you got to know what your low point is

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right when we look at all those ugly swings or what we think are not

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aesthetically pleasing swings one thing they knew was where the bottom of their

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swing was right they all did right that's the that's the magic three feet

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the 18 inches back 18 inches forward that's the thing that is is consistent

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throughout all of all striking and and working on that so so how do you go work

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on that this is one that I don't know ever shown you or done with you team act

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but at that range at Silverado down there is up for hills I do this is one

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of those where you want to put the caution sign on the viewer label like

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right now like please do not try this morning do not try this at all what I

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would when I was working with somebody and they couldn't figure it out I would take the

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golf ball behind the range machine and put it on the concrete on the cart path

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I would hit a ball and I said do you you think I'm gonna hurt myself they're

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like yeah I would never try this I said all right here you go so I would take a

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full swing with a seven iron and I would hit it off the car cow I would never

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take the divot I would know that my I could tell my bottom my swing well

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enough to hit it just then but not not gonna be as solid as it'll be off the

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ground but the point is I knew my swing I know my swing well enough that I feel

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comfortable enough to hit a seven iron off of concrete yeah and again I don't

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advocate that for people but do advocate hey okay I want to hear yours too but

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one of my best of sort of like it try to find the bottom of your swing is when

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you put the golf ball on the ground with the team directly to the right of that

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golf ball and then you start seeing where you're actually making a divot or

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you're actually making impact at the ground yeah obviously the goal is to

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make the divot at the ball or it would be it'd be in front of the ball that's

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where the divot starts correct correct we want to make sure we're getting ball

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first you know as my coach would always tell me get the little ball first and

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then the big ball yeah and how do we do that like what are the things that what

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are you doing in your swing to make sure that happens well you know one of the

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things I do with my students and help them with impact is is and I think

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you're right we want simple tools we don't need to get fancy with with a lot

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of technology on this what I do is I take a regular old tee and I place it

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probably about two or three feet or two or three inches in front of the ball for

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my student and I tell them I want you to get the tee out of the ground right and

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for me it gets them to focus on hitting down through the ball focusing a little

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bit more ahead of the ball or the other one that I do is I'll place a towel

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probably about a foot behind the ball and I tell them that's the no-fly zone

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right so they have to come down at a more steeper angle to come through those

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are usually the two that I you know I usually try to have two drills for every

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situation so you know people people can kind of learn and one is and the reason

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is is one's in front of the ball and one's behind the ball so one's more of a

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positive teaching method and one is a negative teaching method so I always

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try to keep that in mind whenever I'm doing drills is that I want to have two

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of each and one being more of a positive and one being more of a negative and

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people respond differently to those if you know what I mean

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oh it's that those are great great I haven't done them I I do more of the

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now we're going the opposite way with driver working on bringing upwards that

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good driver mm-hmm hopefully we are all under all the same way yeah me

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you know downward driver yes so you know especially with the driver we're wanting

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to hit up on it you know and a lot of people I think that's a big concept for

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for some people is that when we get them and they want to hit the irons they're

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always hitting down and then they're I'm mixed up with the driver now so you got

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to remember that your low point is going to be before with the driver and

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afterwards with the irons for sure

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lessons really right you can't you can't handle both of these things at the same time

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you have to go work on the downward tracking over here with your irons and

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then you got to go you know maybe a couple days later you go work on your

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upward attacking was driving because it's a different move yeah absolutely

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you definitely want it you know and it's it's a different motion you know for for

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me what I kind of do with my students is especially with the driver what I do is

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I I take like a little object and I place it up in the air out in front of

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them probably about six or seven feet and I say hey you need to swing up

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towards that and I want you to understand what that feeling is right and

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they start to feel that oh I'm swinging up and then what I kind of do with the

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with the with the irons as I do the drill and I try to get them that feel for

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what what their body is doing and I think one of the big things I think that

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I've learned from you is if you can figure out what your shoulders are doing

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you know through impact if it's more of a downward strike or more of an upward

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strike does that make sense yeah definitely absolutely absolutely and it

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you know getting a little technical on it is the translates into spin rates and

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that's what we're trying to do and I'm amazed when I go to the range or work on

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track man either way my spin rates go down with driver when I'm working

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upward on my golf swing and I can't do it at full speed I can only do it at

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probably a 60% maybe 70% speed way and I mean I've been playing for 30 years

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still working on it yeah but then you know my spin rates go down ball flies

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equally as far maybe not not as far far but if I'm hitting it 240 and it's going

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with more op spin it's gonna roll to 265 then if I'm hitting it 250 in the air

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and it stops because it's got so much spin when it hits the ground it just

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stops and that's what some people who slice the ball they see they lose a lot

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of distance with that so it's the same concept learning the bottom your swing

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yeah whether we're talking about pitching wedge 7 iron hybrid driver there

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are kind of different positions your body's in when you're hitting those

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clubs mm-hmm absolutely you know and and it's and I think we get back to the idea

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when when our students come to us and say I want consistency that's what you

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got to do to be consistent it's not just hey I'm gonna get a lesson and they're

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gonna show me where it's at it's to be consistent takes a lot of hard work and

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it means hard work on your own you know what I mean it's just not the

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instructors just not gonna give you a magic key or a magic book and say here's

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the secrets they're revealed to you it you know just like Ben Hogan said you

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got to dig it out of the dirt and you got a you know at least for me at least

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putting in a an hour something like that a day or something like that even if

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it's with the grip you know it helps your games tremendously as you get go

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through it's two people you can't lie to that is your golf professional and your

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dentist yes that is correct they will see that you'll be exposed real quick

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those people know what you've done in between the sessions or whatever

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absolutely absolutely I think it's just you know go well figure out what yours is

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go use some of the drills we talked about I love the towel drill for what

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you said because that's the difference too is that the hybrid and the three

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would we have a lot of you know like you do to you like a lot of older people

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that have trouble hitting three wood or any type of wood off of a fairway yeah

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it's the same problem they still don't know where the bottom of the swing is

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it's not it's not a different problem yeah again they're trying to lift it up

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yes that I was still kind of hitting a little bit but my point is like if I if

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I can get the you know listeners to visualize from the golf ball go back

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probably again sort of that maybe at the most like a foot or even six inches

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there's a difference of how that club is coming down from a pitching wedge versus

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a hybrid meaning the pitching wedge is coming from a higher angle it's coming

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downward more and the hybrid is basically because the ball positions

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moved a little more forward it's actually coming from the club itself is

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closer to the ground already it's it's it's lowering we'll call it instead of

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coming from a steeper descent so it's a little bit shallower as it comes into

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impact right now it has to because it doesn't know as much lofts mm-hmm as the

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seven as the pitching wedge so it has to be it can't be hit on such a downward

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angle otherwise you're just gonna lose a lot of power and spin so I'm not telling

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people to revert back to your right side or hang back it's just knowing that the

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ball position really changes that concept of where the club is gonna

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bottom out same term and you know we still taking a little bit of it to do

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it with my hybrid is not nearly as big as the bill of my pitching right yeah

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simply that's the way to say it I you know the one thing I do hear from or the

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old school that I used to hear with the with the fairway woods and hybrids is

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that you want to give the grass haircut I think people kind of get confused with

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that and they think that they should swing level and I think you got to

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remember if it's on the ground we got to hit down right if it's in the air you

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hit up on it right and yeah I think a lot of people when I when I when I give

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them lessons are like well I need to give this thing a haircut and I'm like

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well we need to give it a little bit more than a haircut we need to we need

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to get down there we need to give it a scalp you know yeah you know you're

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right you want to have that small little divot you don't need a big divot like

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you would with your your pitching wedge but you do want to make sure that your

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angle of attack is down you know and that your low point is at least one or

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two inches ahead of the ball as you're coming through I think the last thing I

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hope you know we can beat this thing up but just to kind of give those big

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picture concepts to our listeners when we're talking about that again maybe it

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even sounds like to them as they're listening some players that might be

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struggling with this okay that's great guys well how do I do that it's it's

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weight shift it's it's how much pressure is gonna go back to your left side

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whether you do it slightly before the top of your backswing whether you're at

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the top of your backswing and you're gonna delay your you're gonna delay a

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little Hadeki Matsuyama type of feel what are you gonna do but just know that

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you have to shift your weight from your back leg to your front leg at at a

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certain point at the top of your backswing you can't be in your downswing

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you can't you it's you don't have enough time you've got to do it early and

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that's how you're gonna work on your down you're hitting down into the golf

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ball when you and really think about this listeners when you're at the top

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your backswing and you start your just start your downswing is your pressure

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going to your right foot or is it going to your left foot and that's it go work

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on that for a month and then come back to us if your pressure is going to your

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left foot you got a chance if your pressure is staying on your right foot

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you don't have a chance no no no you know my challenge to you Sean and we're

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gonna I think we're gonna start doing this for our YouTube viewers as well I'm

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gonna do a video that I think is gonna be the best for weight shift I'd love to

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see you do one and let's upload it and and kind of you know give our audience

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or give our viewers a little bit of a different view and say hey that's a

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concept that works for me or this is what they're talking about what do you

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say yeah oh it's great we can have them vote on it we'll give you give you a

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prize at the end and stuff so yeah absolutely we'll do like a little

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polling see which one worked best for everybody and kind of go from there

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right no it's great it's just it's a good way to show that different teachers

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teach it differently and we might have you know we have same concept of might

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deliver the message just a little differently so I know it's great idea

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that you know the more we get visual with our our list our listeners is the

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better and it helps them just see it better than talking about it so great

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idea absolutely yeah I mean you've got a lot of listeners here that you know

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obviously they want to hear the good word of what we're talking about but at

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the end of the day we need to kind of see some visuals of what we're kind of

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explaining to our students and I think if we just upload a few videos to them

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and start doing that I think they're gonna be really interested in what we're

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doing because we're pretty good at what we do to be honest with you well it's

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a 10,000 hour rule the more that we've taught over our career we've gotten

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better at it and you know if I had to go do stock trades on Wall Street right now

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I probably wouldn't be very good so why would I even think I should do that why

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wouldn't I go to a golf program knows what they're doing and help me out and

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that's what we're talking about is you know go to somebody you know go find

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somebody knows what they're doing get develop a relationship with that person

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because it is a it is a like you talked about it you know if you're not getting

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it correctly the message from that one person go find a different doctor it's

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okay no hard feelings absolutely speaks your own language speaks the language

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yeah yeah I mean I'm sure I know there's students of mine that didn't get the

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concept that I was telling them and they went to somebody else and they they got

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the concept from them and I am happy for him you know at the end of the day I

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want everybody to learn the game the best that they can and enjoy the game if

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it comes from me or somebody else that's not that's not the end goal but my ideas

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is to make sure that if it's not me to direct you to somebody that will get you

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to where you need to be right well it's good information did you have a chance

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to watch Scotty Shelford Eastlake yeah I got to watch a little bit of Scotty you

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know to be honest with you I watch as much as I can I mean it is football

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season coming along and it's it's kind of tough but you know I enjoyed watching

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Scotty he did a great job but there again I still feel that the Tour

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Championship we're missing something and I would say it's Bryson DeChambeau

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Brooks Koepka and those guys I would really like to see you know I know that

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we've got Scotty dominating and and and Xander in there but I'd really love to

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see a few more other names thrown in there to kind of challenge him a little

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bit that's that's me but Scotty has an absolute impressive season six wins one

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major a gold medal I mean talk about that's a Hall of Fame career right there

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in one year just in one year so yeah so as I've talked to some people at the club

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that I heard that feedback you know well he's not playing against all of the

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first of all he's playing against people in front of him like you could go back

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to literally Negro League baseball but you know are those are those

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championships that the Yankees won in the 50s are those legal because they

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weren't playing against African-American players like you know he's playing in

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front of who's in front of him does that make sense yeah absolutely and yeah I

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think it's terrible it'd be great to see Koepka you know definitely John Rom

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who's kind of an offseason but you know Bryson like you're saying there's some

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players on the live tour that are spectacular Sergio still got some game

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camsmith yeah that's what I was trying to think of thank you for that's trying

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to be one the open you know we call both there's two cams basically camsmith and

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cam the other one I can't go but but to his point or to whatever the thing and

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now that we've been able to see the tiger 25 year dominance and now we're

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starting to see not rivaling even same decade yet but something means that you

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start to see something where if he continues this which again shows you

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what Tigers career was because this what Scottie just did was like three of

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Tigers years like you know he did this it was such a you took it for granted and

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even then even kind of like Nicholas like okay he doesn't win the tournament

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but he's in the top five yeah because he's sort of off or whatever so good to

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me the difference and I think Tiger was the best I'm ever gonna see I never got

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to see Nick as much except for the 86 Masters you're always gonna have that

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generational argument the difference is Scottie hits it straight with his driver

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that's the difference so the spectacular shots that we remember of Tiger that we

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could all start you know talking about the six iron in Atlanta that goes across

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the lake and across the bunker in the dark and all those in the dark and you

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know firestone fire so those the one yeah the chip on the chip on 16 and

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Augusta the chip of the players like he's got so many highlight real stuff

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and all Scottie Schaeffler does is hit the ball if he wants to as far as

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anybody on the course if he wants to but he hits it straight and he hits the next

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shot on the green and then he makes a putt and even when he's a bad putter he's

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still in top three of the world yeah no he's just his putting again I mean the

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good thing is he's putting up Tiger numbers right but it's so boring right

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it's just down the middle on the green down and the thing with Tiger was in the

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woods on the green made the pot and you're like oh my god that's great but

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Scotty is is putting up Hall of Fame numbers quietly respectfully and I would

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say he is definitely the the Byron Nelson of our age right now

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good term yeah really good term yeah kind of that Texas guy you know you're

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right you know where Tiger was probably more the Ben Hogan type you know you've

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got more now the the Byron Nelson coming through yep yeah as batters on the

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course he doesn't get too high doesn't get too low just doing my job

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supposed to be here to do and you know so it doesn't bring the same energy that

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Tiger did to an event no you know but it shouldn't be that should be taken away

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from him for because his value in the sport absolutely it's you know you know

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it's not as big as Tiger because also very honestly because he's a white guy

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from Texas as opposed to a African American or Asian background you know

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with mixed a lot of different ethnicities to the game yeah a lot of

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culture there brought a lot of things you know to the game a lot of different

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influencers to the game Tiger did athleticism he brought weight lifting he

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brought staying in shape he brought you know he had a team of people that was

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like he had a lot any marketing he that's one thing he's transcended the

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sport where Shepard just kind of took the baton and said okay well I appreciate

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Tiger but I'm just gonna go ahead and make you just kind of boring yeah well I

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think the big thing is with Tiger is is that he brought the athlete in and he

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you know that tie that that Scotty has taken on the baton but it's it's because

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of Tiger that he's brought in these athletes like Scotty who probably would

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have played something like basketball or maybe baseball or something else golf

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probably wasn't gonna be on the radar for somebody as athletically hand-eye

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coordinated as him and Tiger brought this this hey you can be an athlete you

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can play golf and you can and you can be amazing at it and you're seeing Brooks

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Koepke you know Bryson DeChambeau you're seeing these guys that quite honestly

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should be full backs or linebackers in the NFL and they're out here playing and

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there you just think of the guys like the Corey Pavin's back in the 80s and

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90s I mean when you look at Tom Kite I mean you're looking at totally different

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body types totally different athleticisms and now it's just you're

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gonna see records get smashed and you're just gonna see some really good golf I

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think it's fun to watch I mean it's there's just so much to take from so you

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know again it's kind of done for the year now start back up I guess in

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December whatever the season weird they did do it correctly they did try to keep

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away from football you know they they realize that we got to get this thing

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completed before we get to football season yeah yeah and you know it's gonna

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be kind of tough you got the President's Cup coming up now yeah you know and that

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you know we never gets as much vibe as the Ryder Cup does it there's never gets

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as much feedback as the Ryder Cup I don't think and I think there's a few

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reasons why at least for me one I think that at least for the international team

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I think it's tough to gel right you've got some guys that are from Australia

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got some guys from Japan they don't probably speak the same language you

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know language barriers they don't probably play play together nearly as

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much yeah you know you know I just I just find that they they're they're

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never as cohesive as like the Euros I mean the Euros seem like they go to the

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bar together hang out together and just have the best time together the the

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Euro seem like you're the internationals seem like they're looking for their

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translator to talk to their partner all the time

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that's funny yeah it'll be interesting yeah so and you know playing over in

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Canada this year I think that's gonna be a big thing at least for the

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President's Cup I think they need to start having it in some areas where it

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starts drawing some big big populations you know Canada America and stuff like

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that right yeah yeah good good point so good good I think we hope hopefully

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helped out some golfers today and give them some some stuff to work on I always

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tell people when they at the end of lesson you got your homework now now

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you got to go do it absolutely absolutely and as you said your your

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GoPro and your dentist will know they'll expose you real quick if you have not

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been working on your swing or your teeth that's correct that's it so well we want

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to say thank you once again our dynamic golf listeners once again had a great

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