1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,280 Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf. 2 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,080 Golf listeners, with me today is my fellow co-host, Sean Klotz. 3 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:23,600 I am TMac, better known as Tim McElvanagh. 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,960 Sean, I thought it'd be a great way to kind of turn the dime a little bit and interview 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,080 you today. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,440 So tell us a little bit about yourself before we begin because I've got some really good 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,800 questions for you today. 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:35,800 Okay. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:36,800 All right. 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Well, first of all, definitely, hello to our listeners, TMac. 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,880 I'm excited about some of the traction we're doing with some of the podcasts. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,760 We've been getting some good feedback up here in the Oakley, Boston, Watertown area. 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,560 I know some people are listening down in Florida still too, which is great. 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,080 It's funny, TMac, because I've been trying to get ready for this for the last couple 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,080 of days. 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,920 It's the most nervous one because talking about yourself and explaining what you do 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,480 and how you get there. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,600 But no, I just thought it'd be a good way to sort of... My life story, your life story, 19 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,800 TMac, kind of like our friends that are in the golf industry, it's going to be sort of 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,560 emblematic of what happens when you get into the golf industry. 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,560 So even though we might be talking about some personal things, all the golf pro brethren 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,000 and sisterhood that we have, the friends that get into this business, no matter what part 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,680 of the business, I think we just have challenges because we don't work nine to five. 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,360 That's not our 40 hour, nine to five deal. 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:36,360 Correct. 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Yep. 27 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Yep. 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,240 Your kids are... How old are they now? 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,960 Like six and four or something? 30 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:44,800 I've got a five and a two year old. 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,080 You know what it's like. 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:51,560 It's tough to have a home life and run leagues or run things in the evening time when most 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,360 golfers want to golf. 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,080 So it's tough on the home life for sure, yeah. 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:02,920 When we work together at Silverado, we would just kind of divvy up the leagues. 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:08,280 You got three nights of leagues and you're getting home around 10 or 11 o'clock at night. 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,720 It's challenging on the family life. 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,720 It really is. 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:17,920 It becomes a... Unfortunately, I mean, might as well just start off there. 40 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:22,800 I got divorced in 2023, kind of separated in 2021. 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:29,720 I don't want to make it too, too dramatic, but it's a cause and effect part of the relationship 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,240 of marriage when you are in this industry. 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,680 Your hours, like we said, we're not nine to five people. 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,640 We're very rarely home on weekends. 45 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,480 Usually never home on the weekends, never home on holidays. 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Those are the days that are busy days. 47 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Yeah. 48 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Oh, absolutely. 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:51,560 That's another good point, T-Mac. 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,120 When you're on vacation, like some people go on summer vacation. 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,920 Well, we can in Florida, we can kind of take that one or two week break in the summer, 52 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:03,200 but there's no December, Christmas vacation because you're working because there's more 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,200 people there. 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,200 Correct. 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,200 There's the July 4th. 56 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,200 What do we do? 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,840 We run a flag day tournament for the people that want to get to the golf course. 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,080 Thanksgiving, you're doing... Thanksgiving's tricky. 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,520 Sometimes we do a Turkey Day shootout or you still got to go in in the morning because 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,400 there's still people playing golf in the morning. 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:30,280 It was definitely, as I prepared for this, it was definitely a cause of the divorce. 62 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,520 This being flat out honest with people. 63 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,480 The thing about it is too, and you're starting to see this already with your girls, it affects 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,280 your relationship with your kids too. 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Yeah, absolutely. 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Absolutely. 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,240 I think that's why I went into the instruction side of it and shied away from being head 68 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,200 pro, general manager, assistant pro. 69 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,040 One, I don't think that fits me very well, but two, being an instructor, I was able to 70 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,280 kind of make my own hours, do my own thing. 71 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,960 That's huge when you have little ones. 72 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,020 I'm sure that was extremely tough for you. 73 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:13,680 You went through so many golf courses and we're going to touch on that as well. 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,560 They're expecting you to be there. 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,840 It's kind of like as Scott said, once you walk through the door, people don't want to 76 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:20,840 hear it. 77 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:23,120 They want to know that you're there to serve them. 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Absolutely. 79 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Yeah. 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,800 You have to be on all the time. 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Start with that. 82 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 When you walk out of your car, you're on. 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,520 There's no foul mood. 84 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:40,000 I love Scott's story about how he actually told a member what he was really feeling when 85 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 he was going through one of his days. 86 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,080 His boss, his director of golf, kind of pulled him aside and said, hey, they don't care. 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,080 They don't care. 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,360 It's not that members don't care. 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,520 It's just that, again, our job is to kind of create the experience for them, whether 90 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,520 you're at a public or a private facility. 91 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,960 You're just trying to allow them to get away from their lives for four to five hours. 92 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:03,960 You're always on. 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Correct. 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,020 Even the other part of this thing too, as I again, I was prepared for this. 95 00:05:09,020 --> 00:05:13,880 We have to be 100% knowledgeable with no fallacies. 96 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,120 When somebody comes to us for a ruling, we have to know it or be able to have access 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,120 to it. 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:26,520 Our judgment, we can't show favoritism for one member or one golfer or one person versus 99 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,520 another. 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,240 Employees, same thing. 101 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,440 To run 35 staff members, you have to be the decision maker. 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,520 You got to be part friend, part manager, part kind of confidant. 103 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,480 There's so many roles that we have throughout the day. 104 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,880 I'm not whining when I talk about this stuff, TMAC. 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,880 I'm not whining. 106 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,400 It's really what I love because I love the diversity of the job. 107 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,600 It does weigh on you. 108 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:03,080 When you get back in the car and go home, that decompression time is invaluable to get 109 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,160 so you don't bring it home. 110 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,160 Absolutely. 111 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,840 You got to have an outlet. 112 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,040 For most of us, it's playing golf, getting on out there and playing a little bit, getting 113 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,160 that stress reliever on out there. 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,000 It's something that you've got to find your way to kind of relax and decompress. 115 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,080 Also you've got to manage to find time to spend with your family and do the things that 116 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,920 they want to do as well. 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,280 Not everybody is as interested in golf and everybody's family as we are. 118 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,120 I'm coming to find that out real quick. 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,200 There's other things that we have to do and it's a juggling act. 120 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,360 My hat's off to people like your general manager Scott Johnson or your head pro Scott Johnson 121 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,600 who's able to juggle all these balls in the air and has a smile on his face when he talks 122 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,520 to your members or clients. 123 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,280 That's huge. 124 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,280 That's big time. 125 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:58,080 That's all-star kind of stuff. 126 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,160 I don't think it can be said enough. 127 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,160 That's what we've done. 128 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,840 I've been a – maybe going to the history part of it a little bit. 129 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,920 I became a PGA member in 2003. 130 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,000 Now over 20 years of being a PGA member, we don't have to go back to the cradle but 131 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,240 basically started playing golf when I was 13 years old. 132 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,960 Dad was a huge influence in that. 133 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,360 I'll talk about him a little bit more. 134 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,120 My uncle Jimmy was a huge influence. 135 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,360 My mom's brother, he was a better golfer than my dad. 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,280 He was the one who maybe gave me the instructions at the beginning. 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:42,000 The first set of old Hogan apexes, the old heavy stuff. 138 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,200 We would never let our juniors hit now. 139 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Yeah. 140 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,360 It'd be a John Daly swing for those kids then. 141 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,360 Yep. 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Yep. 143 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,360 Wilson Staff, Persimmon Driver, which was smaller than any three that's on the market 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,360 currently. 145 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,660 Jimmy was the one who got me going. 146 00:08:00,660 --> 00:08:07,140 My dad was the one who would drop me off every morning, every – pick me up every night. 147 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:09,960 Mom would have the food ready for you. 148 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Kind of the classic American sort of upbringing. 149 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,360 My brother was five years older. 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,040 I tagged along with him whether he liked it a lot or not. 151 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Whether he liked it or not to everything, every sporting event, baseball, basketball, 152 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,360 golf with the three main. 153 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,040 In the full circle of life, that's how I met Scott Johnson, which is the ironic part 154 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,760 of me being up here in Boston now. 155 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:42,560 But 13 years old playing and kind of having to make that decision between golf and baseball. 156 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:47,000 I've said it before, I wanted all the glory. 157 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,960 I just got frustrated pitching and having kids making errors. 158 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,760 I may not have been the best pitcher ever, but at least we could kind of get the ball 159 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:59,760 in the strike zone and with some speed and a little curve. 160 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,720 I just saw that happen early from 10 to 13. 161 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,560 I'm like, uh-oh, I need to find something where I can do – 162 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:09,000 It was always that kid in the right field that couldn't catch the ball. 163 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 You know what I mean? 164 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 It drove me nuts. 165 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,040 I know what you're saying. 166 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:18,120 Is that about the time that you started at that age starting to think maybe I can turn 167 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,840 what I love into a profession? 168 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Did you think maybe at this age instead of being a professional baseball player, maybe 169 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,760 being a professional golfer might be an avenue for it? 170 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,200 Did you think about that at this age or was that a little bit later on down the road? 171 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Yeah, I think it was more of the college experience. 172 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:41,520 So high school up here in Massachusetts, went to Peabody High School, kind of a good state 173 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,320 player we'll call it, kind of went to states as an individual. 174 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,080 When you realize even at that point you're like, okay, there's a difference between 175 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,800 me, maybe the top 20 in the state versus the top five in the state. 176 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,880 Those kids are going to Florida, Texas, Duke, those kids are good. 177 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,160 But it was good enough to go to University of Tampa, play college golf. 178 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:12,480 I mean, part of that story is I went my freshman year and I didn't make the team and I probably 179 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,640 didn't deserve to make the team. 180 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,440 I was kind of 13th out of 12 and I was not happy with it at the time, but I'm now 1500 181 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:25,200 miles away from my home and in college and what am I doing type of thing. 182 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,840 So it's one of those checkpoint moments in your life where you say, okay, well, either 183 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,320 you get better or you give it up and do something else. 184 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Came back, worked hard during my freshman year up here in Massachusetts and literally 185 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:48,960 went to see Scott Johnson when he was at Tedesco and got lessons from him when I was 18, 19. 186 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:55,200 He would have been 24, 25 and worked hard that summer, came back and went to University 187 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,840 of Tampa and literally made the team. 188 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,800 This is a good life lesson, made the team my sophomore year, but I wasn't picked. 189 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:08,480 I was seventh out of 12, but there was kids that had promised scholarships who got the 190 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,120 positions instead of me. 191 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,600 I mean, that was another huge like gut body blow type of thing. 192 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Like what now? 193 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,600 What are you doing? 194 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Now you're two years into your college career and you're still not playing. 195 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:27,320 I'm playing every day in Florida and Tampa and again, it was the best place to be and 196 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,280 it was good that you didn't go home and Salko or whatever. 197 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,560 You just kept trying to get better. 198 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:39,960 I'm sure you see your scoring average probably went down tremendously in that two year period 199 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,880 right there. 200 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,880 What were some of the things at that point that you're really trying to focus on? 201 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,000 Was it more the short game or was it more the golf swing itself you think? 202 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:54,160 So like our least favorite term when somebody comes to us for a golf lesson is they want 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,240 to be more consistent, right? 204 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,840 I was trying to learn how to score so I could shoot 76, but I could shoot 82 at the same 205 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,120 point and the sort of rhyme or reason, the mental part of it, the how do you keep it 206 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,560 together when you do make a double? 207 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,160 How do you make three or four birdies in a round to offset the one or two doubles? 208 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,280 That's where I had to get to. 209 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,000 So it was a little bit of a mental act. 210 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Yes, you're always working on physical things and again, kind of working on golf swing, 211 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,680 always chipping and putting love still to this day, to this moment. 212 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:35,660 One of my favorite, you mentioned it earlier, like therapies is for me to put on headphones 213 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:39,760 back in the day they were like Walkman type of stuff. 214 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,280 Listen to Spotify, listen to iHeartRadio, listen to our podcast. 215 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Dynamic Golf. 216 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,380 Exactly, just a little plug. 217 00:12:48,380 --> 00:12:56,120 Listen to music and go chip for three hours and just love it. 218 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,360 It's just about that being by yourself, working on your game, trying different things. 219 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,000 I think there's a huge part of experimentation that we kind of forget when we're learning 220 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,080 the game of golf, we're so adamant about the mechanics of it, we forget about the imagination 221 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,080 part. 222 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,800 Correct, yes. 223 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:18,520 You hear Tiger talk all the time about, you hear Phil talk about all the time. 224 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,840 There's a reason their short game is so amazing because they were just trying shots and seeing 225 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,040 what happened and did it. 226 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,160 They weren't so by the book of ball has to be here, face has to be here, weight has to 227 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,380 be here. 228 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:36,060 You can do it different ways and you can groove anything. 229 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:38,200 That's another thing to say, you can groove anything. 230 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Yes. 231 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Do it in bad. 232 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Even in incorrect motion, I was going to say you can even groove that too. 233 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,680 You're persistent and again kind of life lesson. 234 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,640 You don't sometimes realize as you're going through it when you're 20 you're just more 235 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,920 frustrated why am I not making this team when I just beat five kids but somehow I'm not 236 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:57,920 going to end up making the team. 237 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:02,840 So you go back, you do your work again your sophomore year, you go see Scott Johnson again, 238 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,080 keep working on stuff and then by the time junior year it's a little bit like when you 239 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:15,360 see the I think it's like those college athletes that go to Duke or go to Texas for basketball. 240 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,360 They're not ready. 241 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,480 They need more than one year of basketball but they're lottery picks in the NBA so they 242 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,600 just throw them into the NBA and they're not ready yet. 243 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,600 I wasn't ready yet. 244 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:33,280 I needed to keep doing the work to get better, improve and get the scores to be more 72, 245 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:41,640 74, 76, 72, 74, like get in more of that consistency terminology rather than having to blow up 246 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:47,840 holes and coach season 82 he's not going to put you in because he knows in a tournament 247 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:53,000 if you have that capability but if he sees you consistently shooting between 72 and 76, 248 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,160 okay we trust this kid. 249 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,160 Yeah absolutely. 250 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:02,440 So at that point it comes down to do you want to win or is it just putting your favorites 251 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,440 out there? 252 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,320 The Olympic team right? 253 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,320 What's that? 254 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:12,640 The basketball Olympic team up here in Boston, Jason Tatum not playing in the gold medal 255 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:20,200 game or in the basketball part of the Olympics was really not well received up here because 256 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Coach Kerr he's got confidence and trust in Curry and LeBron and Durant so Tatum doesn't 257 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,760 get into two games. 258 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:36,960 I was going to kind of point towards Zach Johnson a little bit with the Ryder Cup. 259 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,560 I think part of being a coach is understanding and putting that pride aside and saying listen 260 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,520 I've got to put the best player out there. 261 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Just my little plug on that though. 262 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,920 No, I think that's great. 263 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,320 So anyways got through two years of University of Tampa, played some college golf, really 264 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:54,320 enjoyed it. 265 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,840 The experience was great. 266 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Our team was not as good as it was when Scott was there but we were very good. 267 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,280 We just weren't like national championship worthy but I'd say the average the number 268 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:13,080 one guy probably shot between 70 and 73 and you know the number six guy would probably 269 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,680 be like a 76 or below. 270 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:22,760 So it was a good group of kids, a good group of guys and just that experience of playing 271 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:28,480 golf every single day with good players makes you a better player. 272 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,620 Just out of curiosity what course did you guys, what was the home course for University 273 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:35,280 of Tampa at the time? 274 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Yeah, Rogers Park. 275 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,080 Okay. 276 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Okay. 277 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:45,240 Unicipal golf course in Tampa with a ton of history to it but that's where we played 278 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,600 and then we actually played our tournaments at Wentworth which was a new course at that 279 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,000 time, really difficult golf course, very challenging. 280 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,320 I've talked about it before on the podcast but one of the tournaments that we hosted 281 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:10,360 at Wentworth I shot 101.73 same day and that's just, it's the thing of if you're not hitting 282 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:15,280 it good how do you let the round get away from you and mentally and then also how do 283 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,640 you bring it back within a literally half an hour time span where you got to go back 284 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,920 out there and figure out something with duct tape and Elmer's glue or whatever to get your 285 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,400 golf swing to work where you can get the ball around. 286 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,880 Absolutely because you know you're mentally fragile at that time and it's just, it's like 287 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,520 anybody's ever told me you're one swing away from thinking you can win the Ryder Cup and 288 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,080 you're one swing away from wanting to quit the game. 289 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,720 You know so you're very mentally fragile after a round like that, you know you've got to 290 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,960 go out there and perform again. 291 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,280 It's tough you know and I think if I know you with all the gut checks that you had it 292 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,120 was a gut check and you went out there and you proved your test if I had to make a guess. 293 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:04,640 Yeah you change your definition insanity type of stuff, you can't keep hitting driver on 294 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,640 every hole. 295 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,320 The course is narrow, let's hit a three wood or five wood off the tee, let's get the ball 296 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,680 in the center of the fairway. 297 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,040 Very rarely do things happen poorly from the center of the fairway. 298 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,280 Right, let's almost hit it to the 150 marker. 299 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,000 You know you're a good iron player from 150. 300 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,600 Let's start hitting center of greens, let's stop putting so much pressure on your short 301 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:29,760 game like it just kind of all snowballs and if you do it the correct way so for the players 302 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,880 as the you know people that are listening now sometimes we hear about as we're in the 303 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:40,840 shop you know guy will go out and shoot 50, 38 or sometimes it's the opposite where they 304 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,120 get the round of the life going shooting 36 on the front and then they shoot 48 on the 305 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:48,360 back because they start thinking about the process and forget about all the things that 306 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,360 got them into that. 307 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,360 Absolutely. 308 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:54,000 You know into the good runs and all so it can work both ways but yeah. 309 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,040 And wouldn't you say from the mental side of that wouldn't it seem like at least for 310 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,840 me it always seems like the game is being played at slower speed like when I'm playing 311 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,240 bad I feel like I'm playing it fast forward and when I'm playing good and hitting fairways 312 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,380 hitting you know greens it's a very boring kind of you know slow process you know everything's 313 00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:18,600 very there in front of me but it seems like when I start playing bad and maybe for you 314 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,920 too everything just feels like it's you know like you just got thrown into the NFL and 315 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,560 you're the running back you know what I mean. 316 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,560 It's quick yeah. 317 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,880 I mean the heart one of the hardest parts of our sport is that we're active in 18 whole 318 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,520 round for I think around one minute one minute and 20 seconds is what we're active for because 319 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,640 the golf swing is you know 1.4 1.6 seconds long. 320 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:50,160 So during this four hour process or sometimes five hour process how are we keeping our mind 321 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,960 engaged and I think Scottie Scheffler currently is the best at this in the world. 322 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,120 Tiger at his peak was the best at it you know Jack Nichols at his peak was the best at it 323 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,560 like the guys who can compartmentalize. 324 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:10,480 Scottie Scheffler got arrested on a Friday and he goes out and shoots 66 5 under. 325 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Yeah kidding me. 326 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,480 Yeah. 327 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,280 He's in jail four hours before. 328 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Yeah that's that's mental fortitude right there without a doubt. 329 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,320 I mean wow. 330 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,960 To me that was the round of the year. 331 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,120 People keep talking about some of the other you know great rounds and the last day of 332 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:31,520 the shot shot flea shooting the great round to win the British like I mean yes is great 333 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:37,080 round I just think that one stuck out to me as the golf pro guy like how do you compartmentalize 334 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:44,560 being in jail two hours before now you're going to go play a PGA Tour event but you 335 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,720 know in any event what Scheffler said is and you hear this a lot of times from athletes 336 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,720 in general. 337 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,200 Once they get in the lines everything else goes away. 338 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,080 You know, they let their their inner athlete as you've said just kind of take over and they're on autopilot 339 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,760 You know that that slow feeling everything's just kind of coming. It's not a lot of 340 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,740 Active thought there's a lot of thought going on. It's just not a lot of active thought, right? 341 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:11,360 Yeah, so 342 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:17,080 So as you move through your golf career and moved into more of your professional career 343 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,000 How did you turn this this kind of you know hobby this love for it? 344 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,200 And how did you say listen, I want to turn this into a passion where it's a career of mine 345 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,080 Yeah, I think so. Yeah going back to like the college colleges when I started realizing maybe okay 346 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,740 Not good enough to play PGA Tour, but what else could I do with the game? 347 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,360 so after college my my year after I got out I 348 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:46,080 Went back to Tampa because I was definitely considering staying up in Massachusetts and that's where I was from and whatever and I I met 349 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:51,400 a teacher his name is Billy London, and I've got like a list of 350 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,320 Just influential people in my life and and and Billy's on there 351 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:02,120 It's funny to see that because again. I was thinking about this like I remember these people like 352 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,920 Lyman Done was a coach that I had or a teacher at Thompson Country Club 353 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,560 I'm 13 years old Bill Flynn is the owner great PGA member Lyman 354 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,480 Done is a teaching pro at the place Rick Quinn was a 355 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,240 Assistant pro when I was like 16 17 Dave Hart was an assistant pro when I was 16 17 356 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,720 My point is like I don't know if I can remember my eighth grade teacher 357 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,940 but I can tell you the golf pros that have 358 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,920 influenced the development of who I am and the things that I teach to this day and 359 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:41,800 They shouldn't be forgotten like these guys are just mentors that yeah that they're just doing their daily work, which is what we do now 360 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Mm-hmm in every day right yeah, we've picked up the torch that they they've they've handed us right 361 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:55,480 So so Billy London was the guy after University of Tampa came down 23 years old met him at Rocky Point 362 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,460 That's where I met him okay another public public course right 363 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,520 I'm hitting balls that range at Rocky Point. You couldn't hit more than six iron. It was like a 364 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,080 180 length baby okay, I'm hit balls, and I mean he sees me over there 365 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,680 He's teaching whatever he comes over to me one day. We start talking 366 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:19,800 Literally 13 years later. He's still my coach so 36 years old. I've been with him. I was with him for 13 years 367 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,120 He 368 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:29,040 Charged me at the beginning meeting the first year after that he never charged me for 12 years in a row 369 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,440 Wow take him up dinner or lunch or whatever 370 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Help out with you know he might need some gas money or whatever 371 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,960 And he was just a great guy, but he was trying to pay it forward because he had been taught by a 372 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,640 guy named Johnny Farrell in New Jersey when Billy was 373 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:54,120 13 15 years old Johnny Farrell like I think I think the claim to fame is I don't know if he won the US Open 374 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,120 But he was like a top 375 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,080 Pro in that Jersey New York area, but if somebody googles Johnny Farrell 376 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,000 They're gonna find out that Johnny Farrell had an amazing career and Johnny Farrell taught Billy London 377 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:12,480 And now I meet Billy London when he's like 60 years old 55 years old and now Billy London's teaching me when I'm 23 378 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,720 Like the the circle of life type of thing is amazing to me 379 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:24,280 So Billy teaches me I was just gonna say that yeah, he won the 1928 US Open so 380 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,600 Yes, he won the 1928 US Open and he is a world golf Hall of Famer 381 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,960 So he's just not some hey, this is a pro down the road. This is 382 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,120 Yeah, that's that's pretty stout stuff. So go right ahead. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just 383 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,600 Know that and I'm like, holy cow. That's that's a wonderful lineage to have 384 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,520 It's just funny how the and that the other part of this is that it doesn't change the the techniques the 385 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,800 Keep your hands in front of the ball at impact like the make sure your weight shifts to your left side 386 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,800 That didn't change in the last now hundred years. We're going 28 to 24 387 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:05,000 I mean it just gets passed down. It's you know, like I don't want to get too much like it's not biblical 388 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:10,560 But Bible stuff was taught was kind of taught from from oral history 389 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:17,120 Down through the you know, I'm saying so yeah same stuff like there wasn't YouTube in 1928 390 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:24,560 It wasn't podcast in 1936 like no it was taught through either books or the or just generation to generation 391 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,760 So Billy was an amazing impact on my career and the way that I've told this before 392 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,200 The way that he taught me how to teach was he gave me a left-handed golf club and said, okay 393 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,840 I'm gonna teach you like what are you doing? He's like, you don't know anything. You don't know what you're doing left-handed 394 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,520 You know everything right-handed 395 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,200 So we need to teach you how to teach somebody from the perspective of they don't know which end of the club doll 396 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,920 Yeah, they don't know which which hand to put on top 397 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,200 They don't know which foot to put in front like and that was a great lesson for me that I still use to the day like 398 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:03,040 You got to take that beginner golfer. I just had a beginner yesterday brand new golfer guy 35 years old pretty athletic soccer player 399 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,920 one of the members, you know son-in-law's 400 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,400 And it's just funny teaching somebody from brand new 401 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,800 Okay, you know put your your right-handed golf. Okay. Well, we're gonna place your left hand on the club and they look at you 402 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,000 Like what do you mean? Oh, yeah, I got to back up 403 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:26,160 I got to show them which finger to start the shaft in so they can put their left hand correctly on the club 404 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:32,480 Yeah, I mean you got to get down to the the basics of just putting the club right across the right knuckles and then closing fingers 405 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,760 You know, I've gone to that and and you know, they're like what you just don't grab the club 406 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,680 Like you you would a baseball bat or anything else or a hockey stick. I'm like, no, there's a there's a certain way 407 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,960 So you're absolutely right. You got to be fine-tuned 408 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,720 Yeah, so he was he was just such a good influence and taught me 409 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,840 You've seen me do this before too like swinging one-handed left-handed 410 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,200 You know making contact with the ball it really shows you to use your front side of your body 411 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,520 Your whole control of your swing should be with your your lead arm 412 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,080 Not your not your trail arm 413 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,280 And and that's something again, like I I'm learning this when I'm 24-24 414 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Like I i'm learning this when i'm 24-25 after playing college golf after having a one handicap for five years 415 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,800 Learning this at this point and it's it's helped me in my golf swing to this day now 416 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,040 um 417 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040 You know, he just he was just such a good 418 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,600 He got ornery in his old age those we all do type of thing, you know, but 419 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,560 And I would I would do and I would say this to anybody who ever wants to get in this profession 420 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,200 One of the things I did the most was watch him teach 421 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,200 Watch him teach others 422 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,280 right 423 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,400 We do 424 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Absolutely 425 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,200 I can go on a rant here, but we do such a poor job of of um 426 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720 assistant pros or pga of america 427 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,960 Of how do you teach somebody how to teach? Yes 428 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,520 right like 429 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,480 It's a learned art. It's something you have to do repetitively 430 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,400 You're a better teacher than you were two years ago. You're a better teacher than you were when you worked with me five years ago 431 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,840 So because you've taught a lot in the last two years. Yes 432 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,440 Well, I think the and for a little plug for you is that and and you you come up to a good point 433 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,840 No, most of the assistants are stuck in the in there 434 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,680 But you would always find some time to either most of the time not sean because sean was he was usually behind tim poults 435 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,040 Usually, you know listen to him 436 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,840 But you were very kind and courteous with your time to take me on out there and say hey listen 437 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,280 I'm gonna you know, give a lesson or you know, I want you to observe me and you did that for a good 438 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,640 You know six to eight months when I first got there and and you know 439 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040 You did a great job of paying it forward there, too 440 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,240 So don't don't ever sell yourself short on that partner now 441 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,000 But the difference to you mac is you wanted to learn that's the difference like you were you were so curious about club repair 442 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:58,720 You taught yourself club repair. You know, you want to learn how to become a better teacher and uh, and we always said it like 443 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Well, we don't know everything but we can learn from each other 444 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,400 So I teach stuff that you've taught me and you were teaching to other people and then you teach stuff that I taught you 445 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,120 And I taught other people when you're watching. Yeah 446 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,960 That's that's how you become better at it. It really is so no it's and 447 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,000 Maybe to one of our ultimate points of this podcast 448 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,960 One of the reasons why I still am a golf pro is because of teaching like that's probably one of the pinnacle 449 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,160 Paramount type of things that I got into the game 450 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,760 I didn't know that maybe that's I got into the game for but as I got into the career part of it the business side the 451 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,560 The um, okay, you're going to be the general manager. So you're in charge of the budget 452 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,560 Profit and loss statements reading a spread balance spreadsheet 453 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,100 managing people 454 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Yeah, those are all the things that golfers want to get into right shaw 455 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400 How do you golf cart fleet management rules of golf like 456 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,280 Exciting stuff right there. Oh my gosh when I went for level one pga. They do it a little differently 457 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400 Now you got three levels still but level one pga 458 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080 You know you walk into your first seminar and there is a board 459 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,000 Out front and it says pga members are responsible for this and there is 29 different things 460 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,480 That the pga number is responsible for 461 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,120 And it still is probably a small list 462 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,600 You know, it's as as like we talk about with scott my brother 463 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,720 Um, who's a pga number since he's got over 25 years in the game 464 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:35,300 Um just our different friends, uh, keith keith, uh colzer. Yep, jeff leonard 465 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,800 The they're on the ground these guys on the ground doing the work daily. Yep. Yep to promote the game 466 00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:49,200 Absolutely, you know, I guess the big thing for me is that when I got into the pga I was like why am I learning about fleet? 467 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520 You know how much space that the golf carts need when they're stored i'm like 468 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,920 What is that going to help me with but? 469 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,960 Yeah, you realize it all interconnects and it all kind of goes together, but you're right 470 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,680 I mean the thing that gets us into this game is is not spreadsheets. It's not rules 471 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,800 It's we we do enjoy that, you know at a certain level 472 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,040 But the thing that we enjoy is watching somebody hit that ball for the first time 473 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,680 And you see that shot go to their heart and they look at you like just bewilderment like oh my god 474 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,760 I can do this and you're like i'm done for the day. That is that is all I need 475 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,840 That is my high for the day. I am good 476 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,280 Let's I could probably go into the counter and do eight hours and that would be tough for me 477 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,720 I will say too that uh 478 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,640 That part of what we do is and you you know for maybe the younger listeners out there the guys want to get and girls 479 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,240 But definitely please the girls that want to get into the pga program or whatever 480 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,880 You may not know it's just like college like you may not be able to declare your major 481 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,880 Meaning you may not know exactly what you want to do when you get in the golf profession 482 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,280 But when you get in the golf profession is don't limit yourself to the opportunity 483 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,440 I would never even knew what track man was three years ago. Yes, right, right. I never even I 484 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,040 Definitely, I definitely had in my head as brantley the owner of silverado 485 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840 Unfortunately as he got sick towards the end 486 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,120 I mean we had always talked about trying to purchase that golf course 487 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,760 I started putting together a buying group and literally made 488 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,840 presentations to five different people to buy a paula beach golf and sea club like 489 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,600 Your your career kind of morphs is the point. It doesn't stay stagnant. Yes 490 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,880 Okay, i'm just gonna sit behind the counter and take money 491 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,840 It it does if that's what you want it to be 492 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:38,000 But I really started getting the idea of like I don't want to work for somebody else. I want to work for myself 493 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,400 Correct, and you know and you've embodied that so much 494 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,920 I tried it for four years and i'm not saying I won't get back into it in the very near future 495 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,840 But ultimately we are as pga members almost always 496 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,320 some exceptions 497 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Independent contractors 498 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,440 We typically don't work for a corporation. Yes, there are some but ultimately 499 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,080 You still are the independent like we're not a labor unit union person, even though we pay labor union dues 500 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080 Yeah for the pga 501 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Um, so I I guess what i'm trying to say is like I really started getting excited about the opportunity of buying my own golf course 502 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 um getting in front of investors and saying hey 503 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:29,200 Look, here's the deal. We need 1.5 million. We got five people interested. That's two two hundred fifty thousand dollars each 504 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,280 Here's the business plan. Here's the expected income. Here's the model 505 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,840 are you interested in buying it and 506 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:42,320 And five people said yes, and we put together that proposal to buy a hollow beach golf and sea club down there in campa 507 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,720 It didn't work out because another bigger company came in and offered more money to roger penske 508 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,160 And they took that deal and that happened sometimes too 509 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640 And that's penske motor oil, correct? 510 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280 Yeah, yeah exactly the trucking company and the racing company roger penske. Wow 511 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,080 But even now to enact that deal still isn't done because the county 512 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,480 They put the kibosh on it because they're like you it's it's environmentally sensitive protective area 513 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920 You can't build condos on top or you can keep it a golf course 514 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:18,560 So it currently stands closed no business at all. That's a shame but it's it's like, okay 515 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,120 It's like okay that happened. So from there then I decided okay. Let me try to 516 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,920 Open up a retail golf store with track man in it and with being able to sell golf clubs and do club repair 517 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,040 My my kind of overall point is like don't be stagnant. Let your let your career keep morphing 518 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040 Yeah, whatever it's gonna be 519 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,640 Well, I think he brought up a really good point at the beginning of this conversation is that when you walked into the board it says 520 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,800 PJ professionals are responsible for these 29 different things 521 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,400 And I think you're absolutely right everybody goes into the idea of thinking well 522 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,680 I'm gonna work behind the counter and i'm just gonna be the pro shop guy or the general manager 523 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,680 Um, but you're gonna go to eight hours or whatever right? Whatever correct 524 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,640 But you you come to realize that when you're in this industry 525 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,880 You're touching all aspects and there's going to be ones that you really enjoy a lot more 526 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,840 And there's a lot of unique avenues, especially like with your business that you had down here in tampa the one-stop golf club 527 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,640 In brandon and in zephyrh hills 528 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,440 You know, it's 529 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,960 I'll let you talk about it 530 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,000 But I think that is going to be the the wave of the future what you're what you're trying to do with that business plan 531 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 I think it's got great potential. So 532 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,160 If you touch on that, please 533 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:37,280 Yeah, definitely. I mean the retail is talk. Retail is hard retails hard period the end amazon made retail hard ebay made 534 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,880 Retail hard 535 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,200 You're gonna go get a better deal somewhere else. You're not gonna get custom fit from your clubs 536 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,400 You know, you're gonna come back to us when you aren't correctly fit and your clubs aren't working 537 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,320 And then realize that maybe you should have just kind of invested 75 hours in a club fitting 538 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,960 But again, even when I was working with you at silverado like we didn't do club fitting we didn't we didn't 539 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,280 That wasn't part of our deal 540 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,400 But as you as I decided to okay, i'm gonna i'm gonna stop working for other people 541 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,960 I'm gonna try to work for myself. I've got a partner who's an amazing person who was the capital guy the money guy 542 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000 And basically said look I I believe in the money guy 543 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,640 And basically said look I I believe in you which you need for the record. You need that in your 544 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,960 Personal life and professional life you need something to believe in you. Absolutely. Absolutely 545 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,760 Yeah, and realize that um that you can do this 546 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:36,240 And i'm not disappointed that we didn't make it like we lasted three years starting a small business 547 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,880 for the record 548 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,960 February 2020 was when we incorporated we opened june of 2020 549 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,440 2020 didn't expect covid to happen as you're developing these 550 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:54,720 Business models of plans. Yeah, right. You don't expect supply chain issues to be a problem for a year 551 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Yes, you don't expect right you don't expect i teamac 552 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,080 I fought with my landlord for a summer eight months because our air conditioning broke 553 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200 So I had fans in there. You remember coming down, right? Oh, yeah 554 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,280 We had fans in there in the middle of the summer in a retail store and people still came to see us 555 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,560 And they still did fittings even though it was 85 degrees in there 556 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:22,640 Absolutely, they're sweating and they were so excited to get the information that you were providing on that track man and and all that stuff 557 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,720 So yeah, right. Yep 558 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,440 So, you know every business has obstacles stuff that happens things 559 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,760 again 560 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,120 Personal life was was challenging because you're trying to keep being a good husband keep being a good dad 561 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,480 Keep trying to run a business like trying to make that 562 00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:47,200 $6,500 every month, you know that when you open up the door on on the first of the month your lease payment is 563 00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:49,840 $6,500 and 564 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320 What I learned was hey, that's too high 565 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,480 That's too much 566 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,560 But you had signed a 36 month lease so you have to honor it 567 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,760 so you do things throughout the 568 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,160 three-year time period to make that happen and 569 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,760 and what it led me to on the positive side was a 570 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:17,520 Ton of great relationships great friendships of people that I've met during those three years. It was awesome 571 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040 Awesome to have my daughters come down there and work with me 572 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,920 You came down again 573 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,080 You came down with some of the people you were teaching doing club fitting and you'd see my you know 574 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,560 One or two of my daughters in there. Oh, yeah 575 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,720 Pretty much all the time. Yeah, right 576 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,640 Yeah, and and we never really saw them over at silverado if you know what I mean 577 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,640 It was always go go go for you, right? 578 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,040 I mean I saw them every once in a while but it seemed like yeah 579 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,680 It seemed like it was kind of like a your work but still kind of like a dad's hangout. You know what I mean? 580 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,400 Yeah, so my my point with that is it showed them 581 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,200 That if you believe in something dream something up 582 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,680 Decide to do something if you put the work in and the effort and have the plan 583 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,240 That's what I like. That's why I'm like not disappointed the store didn't work 584 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,000 but to me is the better life lesson for the girls my daughter's is 585 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,680 That if you decide to do something and you put your mind to it, you can get it done. Yeah 586 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:16,960 You know again about the the peripheral of all the rest of it of why it didn't work 587 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,520 You know, it's there's just maybe just bottom line too many obstacles 588 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,240 in the small business world as soon as the 589 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,280 Inflation went up in may of 2022 like I can pinpoint it to the month 590 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:36,000 Our sales were going good and then without getting into politics of it inflation gets to a whatever 591 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,880 30 year high may of 2022 592 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,680 The buying habits change of the golfer. They decide to buy more stuff that is used on ebay and on amazon 593 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000 They come in more for $50 golf lessons instead of thousand dollar golf sets 594 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,960 You can't give enough lessons to generate to do 595 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,040 $6500 in in monthly rent plus pay yourself plus pay your vendors, you know, so 596 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,800 The the ultimate part of it is okay. So now i've got this track in this $20,000 machine 597 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:11,040 And I literally you know, again, there's a cycle bar three doors down from the store 598 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,600 And I keep thinking about i'm like, why are they not open? They're only open from 599 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,440 5 a.m. To 8 a.m. Maybe 9 a.m. And then the girls who are doing the spin classes 600 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,840 They come back at like 4 p.m. And they work from like 4 to 8, but there is 601 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480 Eight hours a day where nobody is in that building 602 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,600 How how are they doing it and i'm like 603 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,640 I some light bulb clicked during that time when i'm like, you know what if I take track man 604 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,880 And it's such a great tool for teaching and for playing virtual golf and we find a space for it 605 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,920 And then we do turn it into a private hitting facility 606 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,800 Where yeah, there's plenty of birdie bars and these different places out there would have that have liquor and food associated with them 607 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,840 But I wanted it where it was a private club. You you've got your four digit code to the front door 608 00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,600 you 609 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,200 Booked your t-time online 610 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,720 You never saw anybody in the place because it was your time when it was your time was your time, correct? 611 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,200 And you kept good care of it 612 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,880 And as far as you know, one stop golf club is still operational and going well patrick's doing a good job with it 613 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,120 I think he's still doing some teaching there. Yeah, I had two lessons this morning over there. Yeah, so it's in great shape. Yeah 614 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,720 Yeah, so 615 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:25,360 You know from the kind of from the turmoil of one stop golf shop to the positivity of one stop golf club the 616 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,160 Private hitting facility and now I realize now my my friend tal homage 617 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,120 He's got a pretty thriving business 618 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:39,280 And brandon taking the same exact business model because he was one to help me do the construction on it as we're doing the 619 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,880 Construction at the at the Wesley Chapel location. I think the light bulb in his head went. Oh my goodness 620 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,360 We can replicate this and I said, yeah, I know we can't like we got to get the first one going 621 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,880 And then he had the he had the backing the financial backing and the money and the ability to be able to do it 622 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,140 And you know, I'm just a little bit of a 623 00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:02,980 Part of that just that facility but at the time I just couldn't so he's done a great job 624 00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:09,460 He's got I think 65 members now and uh, oh good. He uses yeah, he uses flight scope 625 00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:16,020 Which is a little less money than track man, but the software he uses is like way better virtual golf 626 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:20,660 So my my overall point is again sort of like if you can do it dream it do it 627 00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:27,220 And then um, i'm gonna do that that model somewhere up here in the nasa jesus area 628 00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:33,460 Just got to find the right, you know, right space and go from there. Yeah, I think it's I think it's a great 629 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,180 I think it's a great business model 630 00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:37,780 number one 631 00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:39,220 number two 632 00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:44,020 I think taking the ideas that at least that i've seen from the ideas of uh, 633 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:50,820 You know having that 24-hour fitness center or something like that. You've converted that into this new business model 634 00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:57,060 Which I I go on I go on the pick time. That's the program that's used for his pick time 635 00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:04,340 And you know when we go on there you can see that there's people that that will literally go there at two in the morning to two to 636 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:08,420 Four because that's their time, you know, and this is a great place to do that 637 00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:14,580 They would never be able to do it now, you know, people have different lifestyles different, you know times of work 638 00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:22,180 So it just allows people to work on their game a game that they love at any time of hour, which I think is absolutely an amazing idea 639 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:27,860 It's a it's a good concept. So we're excited to do some more stuff like that up here in the future 640 00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:31,460 And I appreciate you asking about that because i'm proud of it. I think it's going to be 641 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,820 A little bit of a wave of the future and uh, no staff 642 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:38,260 No mess just you know private hitting base. So um 643 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:40,820 Yeah, I uh 644 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:45,060 I know we're getting long and I want to be you know, I don't want to bore for our listeners too much 645 00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:50,980 I just if you can if you give me indulge me, let me let me wrap up with one story if that's all right 646 00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:52,420 Please absolutely 647 00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,820 I think I think i'm really appreciated that you're doing that 648 00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:56,020 I think it's a great idea 649 00:43:56,020 --> 00:44:02,820 I think we're going to wrap up with one story if that's all right, please absolutely. I think I think i'm really appreciate the fact that 650 00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:05,700 That we were able to do this and uh 651 00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:12,900 My story is uh, my brother's an amazing guy. I think i've you know mentioned him. We've done done some um podcasts with him about augusta 652 00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:16,820 And just kind of his his industry role too. Yeah 653 00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:21,460 Um, and my mom like I said is is just she's always been there for me, too 654 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:25,780 Um, that's part of the reason i'm up in massachusetts this summer is to be able to see her a little more often 655 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:26,980 um 656 00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:32,900 but the the story that I wanted to tell quickly I think I might have mentioned it throughout other podcasts but at least for this one 657 00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:37,460 Is this story of so my dad was uh, again the most humble 658 00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:39,060 um 659 00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:42,660 most proud person of his kids of his two sons, but he just 660 00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:46,180 He was uh humble to the nth degree 661 00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:50,660 And lived his life. I literally had a member up here 662 00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:52,660 David chalmers 663 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,140 Aimed me on probably one of my first weeks up here 664 00:44:55,780 --> 00:45:01,140 And he said he introduced himself. He goes now now sean did you happen to have a 665 00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:03,620 Is your dad's name mel clots? 666 00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:10,900 And mr. Chalmers is probably in his late 60s early 70s. I hope i don't get in trouble somewhere in that area 667 00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:15,220 And I said, yeah, my dad's mel clots. I said, how how do you know that? 668 00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:21,240 He goes I worked with your dad at noem of life insurance company from 1969 to 1972 669 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:26,420 I'm like, what is the small world part of this thing happening up here? 670 00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:30,980 That that and he goes your dad was the most kind gentle 671 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:32,980 um 672 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:35,460 Helpful. He was my like my mentor 673 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:40,420 He was just an amazing person and i'm so glad that you're working here so we can talk about him 674 00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:44,340 And he goes I think I might even have met your mom because she was a secretary 675 00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:47,380 Or she was like one of the persons in the noem of life insurance company, too 676 00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:51,300 And i'm like, oh my gosh, so just chills going through my body. I'm like, this is so crazy 677 00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:53,300 um 678 00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,500 So I think that's just a cool little oh, that's amazing 679 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:58,420 right 680 00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:01,460 Watertown uh story so um 681 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,100 so my dad, uh 682 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:09,940 Had a lot of health issues. I I would say the last time he died when he was 71 years old in 2007 683 00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:14,340 2007, um, I would say the last time he touched the club was probably around 684 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:18,500 55 or or 58 years old like the last 13 years 685 00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:23,540 He couldn't he just couldn't hold the club team back. He just couldn't his fingers were so bad with arthritis 686 00:46:24,020 --> 00:46:28,020 You know, we tried the the jumbo shimmy clubs grips and stuff 687 00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:36,180 Um, but he just couldn't hold the club. So he had no strength anyways, you know, most he ever hit it was 180 yards. Anyways, um, 688 00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,500 We just kind of gave it up. Okay 689 00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:40,100 um, we 690 00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:44,980 I'm going to reference people if they want to go listen to the augustin story, please do that that augusta podcast 691 00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:49,940 The ad is amazing. Yes, I won't tell that story, but we did take him to augustin me and my brother in 2004 692 00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:52,420 so, um 693 00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:56,500 I talked to him on a tuesday night in 2007 or 2007 in june 694 00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:00,500 he passed away into on the thursday two days later and 695 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:08,020 As with everybody's parents typically your dad too, like, you know super sad time. I wish I could talk to him every day 696 00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:13,460 Uh, you're gonna continue to find out team act that you're gonna, you know as a parent 697 00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:19,060 You wish you could talk to your parents more because they were pretty smart, right? Yes. Yeah 698 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:23,620 Well, especially at times like now you you'd love a little guidance, right? Yes 699 00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:29,140 Somebody's walked through those shadows before to kind of help guide you through so yeah 700 00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:31,140 I know what you mean exactly 701 00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:38,340 So, um june of 2007 so i'm at green valley country club. I was there from 2004 to 2008 702 00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:44,040 Um, it's the following father's day. So it's july or so or june of 2008 703 00:47:44,660 --> 00:47:48,260 Playing with some members in a normal sunday afternoon game. It's father's day 704 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:50,260 um 705 00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,860 I guess I was playing golf because I was working. I don't know if that means I was a bad dad 706 00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:55,860 But I knew I had to work anyways, whatever 707 00:47:55,860 --> 00:48:01,300 So I shoot a very generic boring 36 on the front nine and it's just 708 00:48:01,860 --> 00:48:07,800 You know, I say that without being i'm not being uh arrogant at all. It's just it was like a non-committal 709 00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:12,260 People would die to shoot 36 that listened to us. They'd be very happy, right? 710 00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:14,740 some of our listeners 711 00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:17,780 Um, and then I start off the back nine and it's par four 712 00:48:17,860 --> 00:48:22,740 You can drive it if you can hit it over the water probably about 260 to go over the water happen 713 00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:28,900 He had a catching good one make an eagle somehow make eagle like driver about 12 feet make the eagle birdie birdie 714 00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:33,140 Then next par three. All right, next hole par five. Yeah, next hole par five 715 00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:38,100 I hit hop and hit a driver and like a five wood on the green another 15 footer make a putt 716 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,020 Okay, now we're now we're five under after three holes 717 00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:43,940 All right 718 00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:50,180 We go we go birdie birdie on 13 and 14. So now we're seven under oh we're looking at course record at this point 719 00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:56,740 Aren't we right right exactly and uh, and basically my my kind of overall point of telling the story is 720 00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:05,060 I've never shot 64 before in my life the first time that I shot 64. I was able to do it again 721 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:12,340 Uh about three years later when I was at silverado of silver oaks with uh with brantley and actually my buddy ron crump 722 00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:13,620 um 723 00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:18,340 But the first time ever broke 68 by the way was when I shot 64 724 00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:21,380 On father's day the year after my dad passed away 725 00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:25,300 And if you want to touch if you don't want to tell me about like 726 00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:30,020 Godly moments or something kind of like, you know hair on the back of your neck type of thing 727 00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:37,380 That was when I knew he was still with me and it was just an amazing experience. So that's that's amazing. Yeah, there's there 728 00:49:37,380 --> 00:49:41,700 You know, I think there's little hints through people's lives when they lose loved ones that there's 729 00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:46,180 I you know, I don't I don't know how to say it. But yeah, it's kind of like they still walk along us 730 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:48,340 You know, they're still there, you know, you know, they're 731 00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:54,180 Maybe they whisper something subconsciously that we don't hear about and calms us. But I think you're right 732 00:49:54,180 --> 00:50:00,020 I think they they find time to spend with us wherever they are and whatever plane that they're in but 733 00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:02,900 You know 734 00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:04,580 you know, so 735 00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:11,220 Final question for you here as we kind of wrap up today's uh podcast is in three to five years 736 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:18,420 Where do you find yourself? You know, where do you find yourself being? What are some of the goals that we're looking for in that time span? 737 00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:21,460 Yeah, great question. Um 738 00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:26,340 Challenging question because of uh, I really enjoyed my time at oakley this summer 739 00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:30,740 right now the plan is to come back for next summer in 2025 and 740 00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:35,140 Kind of learn it and do it again because uh, as scott says you're the first year 741 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:36,980 You don't really know what you're doing the second year 742 00:50:36,980 --> 00:50:41,140 You start kind of getting an idea because you're starting to things are starting to slow down a little bit 743 00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:44,260 You're starting to understand all the and by the time you get to the third year 744 00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:48,340 Yeah, basically I should be able to run the place for him at that point, you know, great 745 00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:55,460 So so I think as I look at it right now, you know a little more flexibility with the personal life of what I can do 746 00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:58,900 Um, I really do want to get down and see my daughters again, you know 747 00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:04,180 But they're they're 24 and they're 22 and they're they're 19. They're doing their own things now 748 00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:06,260 Living their own lives 749 00:51:06,260 --> 00:51:08,260 Yeah, they don't need me to be in the same 750 00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:15,300 City or state or whatever. I wish I could right now financially. This is definitely the best opportunity 751 00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:18,660 I really like the membership up here at oakley. It's kind of that 752 00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:21,860 the private club feel with a little bit of like a 753 00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:27,460 Working man's clientele, but there's also some people that have been very very successful in the world 754 00:51:28,020 --> 00:51:30,020 um, and I I just 755 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:33,380 I think there's going to be some type of ownership of some type of 756 00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:40,900 Private hitting facility as well. Okay. I love what we're doing with the podcast and I I want to keep doing some more youtube videos 757 00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:46,980 You know so kind of staying in the golf world just again sort of like we talked about throughout this session like 758 00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:50,100 I don't want to pigeonhole me to one specific thing 759 00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,740 But keep spreading that that word of how to get better at the game 760 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:59,220 And uh, and just you know, let's keep doing what we're doing. Let's keep having a good time and 761 00:51:59,220 --> 00:52:02,900 I'm not going to be apologetic that my hobby turned into my into my career 762 00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:06,580 That's kind of the bottom line and and it kind of goes back to the old idea 763 00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:09,220 If you find something you love you'll never work a day in your life, right? 764 00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:14,900 And I I think you know that that's what we're trying to go for right at least for me. I I enjoy what I do and 765 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:16,260 That's it 766 00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:21,620 You know and to the other point I think with with the podcast and youtube and stuff like that 767 00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:25,060 Um, you know, let me ask you when you first got into the pj 768 00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:30,500 Did you ever think that and i'm going to do a podcast about golf or youtube? 769 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:39,940 No, it was instagram 20 years ago. There's no no facebook. No youtube. No, it's got to evolve 770 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:44,340 You got to you got to mold your you know, kind of keep moving on and you get stuck in that 771 00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:48,580 Um, you get stuck in that cycle of just doing the same thing every day 772 00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:50,980 You're gonna probably just kind of have the same results. So 773 00:52:50,980 --> 00:52:56,500 No, you got to be excited and eager about it and uh, keep keep going keep trying 774 00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:01,460 Yeah, I I think if you come with that same attitude, you know that we do with golf with the same industry 775 00:53:01,460 --> 00:53:06,900 You know idea, you know, I want to experiment try different things and be excited enthusiastic about it 776 00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:08,580 um 777 00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:10,740 Good things come I mean and there's and there's going to be 778 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:11,220 You know 779 00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:15,620 I think the better bigger thing is that we've got to be able to change and morph and we also got to look that 780 00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:20,580 There's going to be a lot of different things to come to the golf industry in the future that we don't even know 781 00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:22,900 about or even think about this current time and 782 00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:30,500 Um, I think you're kind of on the wave of that future with the indoor simulator idea and the the concept of having the country club 783 00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:38,740 Feel inside those indoor simulators. So you know, I i'm excited to see what that blossoms into and what the next evolution is for that 784 00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:43,540 That whole I mean the whole track man thing and I mean now be a little arrogant 785 00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:47,060 I consider myself to be an expert in track man teaching and fitting 786 00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:52,100 And how did I get there? It just got there because I did it for three years for 10 hours a day, right? 787 00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:55,140 And you you come down and you saw me do some fittings 788 00:53:55,140 --> 00:54:00,580 And I think that you can feel pretty comfortable about doing doing club fittings as well now because you again same thing 789 00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:03,940 Like we do with the golf lessons 10 years ago. You showed interest in it 790 00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:09,940 Um, there's you know, if we can be an expert in certain parts and that's what we are as golf professionals 791 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:11,940 We are experts in our field 792 00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,740 Right people come to us for a reason 793 00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:20,180 We do a good job. We don't do the greatest job of monetizing that because we kind of give away a lot of advice 794 00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:22,740 but 795 00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:24,900 But that's kind of that's kind of the 796 00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:27,860 I the tradition of the game, isn't it? I mean 797 00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:31,780 My lawyer charged me 400 hours an hour. She wasn't upset 798 00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:34,260 You know, yeah 799 00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:38,100 My lawyer charged me, you know $50 for every 15 minutes 800 00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:42,420 Of an email that might have taken her two minutes and i'm not bad mucking the lawyer 801 00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:46,660 I'm just saying as golf professionals, maybe this might be another podcast 802 00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:50,020 Topic we should we should really discuss how we can 803 00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:55,540 Maybe grow the pga kind of like the the apprentices and kind of show them that hey 804 00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:57,140 There's money to be made out there 805 00:54:57,140 --> 00:55:02,740 We just got to do a better job of maybe being a better role model for you guys and girls or 20 and 25 years old 806 00:55:03,220 --> 00:55:06,580 And deciding to go into the corporate world because you you don't want to kind of 807 00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:10,340 Become an assistant pro because you know, they're not going to make enough money. I think that's a 808 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:18,500 Just make that a podcast topic in the future. My podcast on that would be taking the pga from a 809 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,880 Nonprofit to a profit and I think that that would be the big start right there for that conversation, especially for professionals 810 00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:27,780 Yeah 811 00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:28,580 so 812 00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:33,700 All right. I want to say thank you to everybody. Thank you for listening my dynamic golf listeners 813 00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:38,500 I am your co-host tim mclevanna with me is my fellow co-host shawn clots shawn 814 00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:45,780 Hey really really good session there. Hope we didn't bore too many people gave some good stories and uh look forward to the next one 815 00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:51,460 We got the historian for the oakley country club coming up here dan me and the next uh next podcast 816 00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:56,980 So that'll be a great one for our listeners. And what's he a historian of he's the country club and yeah 817 00:55:57,780 --> 00:56:02,260 basically like a board of directors position where you're literally the historian of the club and 818 00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:07,700 He's been you know, he's excited to share. He wants to he doesn't want to keep this stuff in a box. He wants to 819 00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:08,900 tell 820 00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:11,140 Tell the people of the story of how this became 821 00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:14,180 Oakley country club with the donald ross influence 822 00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:17,940 Yeah, I mean, you know the the whole thing about a historian and i've got a history degree 823 00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:22,740 We learn all this stuff from the past and we want to we want to bring it back to the future and let people know 824 00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:26,980 That you know, hey, this is knowledge of keeping to remember 825 00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:37,140 That's it. So all right. Well, thank you so much and we look forward to the next podcast. Thank you