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I am your co-host Tim McElvanagh aka TMac.
Today, Sean, my fellow co-host, who do we have or what are we going over today?
Well, I thought TMac and hello to our Dynamic Golf listeners.
Pretty excited first of all about some of the feedback we're getting from our listeners
TMac.
It's pretty fun to see some of the numbers on YouTube and Spotify.
It's pretty cool to see we're getting some traction.
Yeah, yeah.
So thank you.
Thank you for your support.
We certainly appreciate it and hopefully we're helping you a little bit with your game and
maybe the mental side as well.
So I thought today we could do just kind of a little short game, kind of inside of 50
yards.
We talk a lot about TMac during our lessons with people.
I think to me it's the area that people first of all don't pay attention to enough, you
would agree, right?
Absolutely.
And they're just sort of shocked sometimes when we show them how to execute a proper
chip shot from 20 yards that they've just been doing it wrong or they've been told the
other way or you know what I'm saying?
Like they're just told the opposite way by YouTube people, it's more by like they're
playing with partners, their husbands, their wife or whatever.
Yes, it kind of ranks right up there with keep your eye on the ball, one of those kind
of things, you know what I mean?
Keep your head down and all that silliness.
So I think, I mean let's just kind of get into it, you know the 50 yard shot and obviously
it's going to depend on how far you hit a full swing pitching wedge.
We're going to go with the idea that this would be some type of you know half swing
sand wedge, maybe it's a half swing pitching wedge for some people, maybe it's a half swing
niner for other people, who cares right?
It's just about the idea that it's not a full swing.
It's a controlled shot.
We've got to and almost if the listener hears nothing else today, you have to keep your
weight on your forward side, your lead side.
I was watching how they have all these golf channel little half hour shows with different
people.
Some of the teaching pros, Martin Hall and different guys like that.
He was interviewing Morgan Pressell, you know really good lady golfer, woman golfer who's
won a bunch of events.
He's down in Naples and you know you watch Nicholson do videos like nobody hits a good
chip shot with weight on their back foot.
And there's no instructor teaching that either.
So I mean there's a common law, you know everybody, you know every book that I'd ever read or
anything like that, you have the weight move to the front side or feel like you're you
know pressed up against a door jam of some sort like that, making sure that you've got
your weight forward.
Because the one thing you don't want to have on a short shot like that is to hit it fat.
You can kind of get away with a thin spinny shot a little bit, but a fat shot is absolutely
a no-go.
So yeah, great point right there.
Yeah, you're turning you know you're turning a par for us you know into a bogey.
You're turning a bogey into a double for the maybe a 10 or 12 handicapper and then obviously
kind of just exponentially gets worse.
Sometimes you dump it in a bunker.
Whatever.
Let's be positive.
I'm not talking about the negative shots, but such a true thing that like and it's it's
it is the physics of the golf club that you're hitting.
You've got a lofted golf club 56 degree, 52 degrees, something like that and you do not
want to swing up on the on the club.
Your angle has to be downward into the golf shot, right?
So the club head has to be working downward into the into the ball and then the ground.
Yes.
And like you just said the fat shot is the cause of hey, I've I've got the club working
the club head works faster than my hands do on my downswing.
My weight shifts to my right foot and now I hit the ground before I hit the ball and
now we're now we're in trouble.
Correct, correct.
And it's it's tough to get the student to understand that they don't need to add loft
or to give it any loft.
They really that's the big thing is that's why they fall back is they want to kind of
help guide it into the air instead of trying to drive it through the air is what I would
say.
Right.
It's it's almost like the little analogy of like kind of throwing a ball underhanded is
a good analogy.
I love that analogy.
If you've got a lot we talked about that before where your your backswing when you throw a
ball under backswing the lacrosse better term is never as long as your follow through.
You would always follow through more than you would take your arm back.
Correct.
Bowling.
Think about bowling.
Bowling.
Great one.
Tennis.
I keep coming back to tennis.
That's a good one.
But the kind of the idea is that you are always having acceleration at the ball or after
the ball just like we do on the regular full swing shots.
That's why it's sometimes called the mini a mini golf shot a mini swing.
These chip shots that we're talking about are kind of smaller than the normal full swing
but they'll follow through the finish that even the belt buckle the right knee the right
hand players the stomach the face.
Everything still faces my target whether I'm honestly 10 12 15 30 50 yards away.
I'm going to have a consistent follow through finish where I've got my weight starting on
my left side.
I'm going to see if I walk the listener through it it would be weight would start on my left
side stance would be depending on how far I'm hitting the shot.
It might get narrower as I get closer to the green.
Correct.
And I'm really a big fan of the feeling of I'm going to just kind of start off with my
weight on my left side 60 to 70 percent and I'm going to rotate or turn that right shoulder
up in the air.
You know that's kind of what I'm feeling.
It's not any type of weight shift to my right foot.
It's just turning the right shoulder up back however you want to call it.
And then I'm already in position where I'm ready to kind of get back to my left side
in a downswing where then I will hit down through it and make a good follow through.
Correct.
Yes.
So absolutely.
I mean that's textbook.
You know the other thing I think you know some of the people need to realize a little
bit is that there is a little little movement with the knees.
You know sometimes I see a lot of people with that 50 yard shot they get that lock knee
kind of thing going and that's where they kind of fall back or they don't have that
weight transfer that you're needing.
You've got to have a little delicate knee rotation there with those shots.
There's just a little gentle turn just like we would with the regular swing.
It's just at a much smaller level.
It comes down to the fact the lower body is supposed to lead everything on the downswing.
Right.
And if you don't have your legs active and that's a good term.
Again Morgan Pressel saying actually this is Michelle Lee we watched a lot yesterday
because it wasn't as busy at the golf course.
OK.
Just have to be in the background.
But Michelle Lee was talking about like when she plays in Pro-Am's that she has you know
she doesn't see that the amateur's legs are they're not active they're kind of glued to
the ground and you can't again athletically if you're going to make a motion you got to
have some freedom in your legs.
So what you're talking about perfect right there.
Right.
You've got to be able to have some freedom is a good term with your legs.
There's got to be some movement down back into the ground on the downswing.
And then again you're going to kind of start going to a good follow through with your stomach
chest probably coming up and therefore your head would come up and it would follow the
ball.
Absolutely.
Everything's turning through just like if you were throwing a ball or anything like
that you'd have that motion turning through to your target and maybe even a little through
or past your target right.
So you know you definitely and you know one thing I've noticed you've always stressed
especially with your students and stuff like that Sean is that you always emphasize the
follow through sticking the finish holding that that finish and I think there's a great
point to be said about that because if you're focusing on that point you're not focusing
on the other parts right.
So I think that's a that's a great great way to work and I've always taken that from you.
So I appreciate that from learning that from you.
Oh it's good.
It's generationally brought down back you know from my when I was 13 years old getting
taught by somebody who's who I thought was old who was 55 now 53 so it wasn't old but
you know.
Junior clinics.
There's a junior like a junior clinic stuff I did this morning for two hours today with
these kids.
You know when I was 13 we were going through it and you pick up on that.
The other term I want to kind of keep going back to is controlled acceleration.
We see that all the time back where they stop right.
They decelerate going into the and that's just that does so many bad things that's you
know that club face open shanks.
Yeah the unmentionable the Voldemort's game.
Yeah but that that ability to have a controlled acceleration you're never you're never decelerating
the club.
You're always moving the club a little bit faster a little bit faster a little bit faster
after impact it's still going fast and then it just that's what brings you that's what
leads you to the follow through and the finish.
But when you do it with your hands which is probably the biggest offender that we you
talked about right there where somebody tries to lift the ball up in the air they're doing
it with their hands instead of any type of body that they're going to stop accelerating
their body and they're going to go faster the body.
Now we're going to hit it in and or fat and or left those other things too like all three
of those things can happen.
So yeah we've lost complete control of the club and it's just depending on where that
that ball that club hits that ball at that time and that's where it's going to go right.
Yeah.
So what's what's your like if you went 25 yards 30 yards versus 50 yards are you picking a
different club.
Are you picking a different motion kind of what's your go to.
I'm probably not going to be changing clubs terribly too much.
I usually stick with the 56 I have as a kid.
I didn't really grab into the old 60 thing like some of the younger generation has and
some of my generation has.
I figure I can use a 56 and I can kind of turn that down to where it's about a 54 53
or I can kind of you know turn it back up a little bit and get it up to about 58 59
degrees to get that loft.
So it gives me a lot of versatility and I don't have to you know spend hours trying
to figure out what that club does and this club does.
I try to just keep the one club you know stupid simple.
You know that's me.
Yep.
Now I think that's a and it's almost pick your not pick your poison but pick your pleasure
like which which do you first of all which you have enough time to go practice.
That's first of all if you don't have enough time to practice then let's stick with the
one club idea and basically just kind of get the one club to do multiple sort of different
yardages and not have to learn three different tools.
Don't learn a hammer a screwdriver and also a hacksaw.
Correct.
Yeah absolutely.
Yeah let's just learn one of them.
I've had the opportunity especially last year now or last three months I should say.
I've got more practice time in my world so I love just throwing the headphones on and
just going out there.
It's to me it's definitely a way to get away from the world for an hour.
I listen to podcasts.
Ironically right.
Exactly.
I listen to some music ones.
I listen to some different things but it's always been a way for me to kind of escape
and get away from whatever's happening in the world and basically just.
Now when you go out there what are you trying to focus on like what when you go out there
and you get yourself in the zone is there a particular thing that you're focusing on
like a landing point how much it rolls or do you take like a certain number of balls
like five or six of them say I want to do this with this number and this with this.
What do you kind of do what do you kind of focus on there.
My practice routine in the back of this golf course here up there here at Oakley we've
got two different sort of practice air practice greens so you can chip you know maybe like
a 10 to 12 yard chip and just kind of beat that up and do as much as you want or you
can go maybe a 30 yard shot but there's multiple different angles that you can go from too.
So I would say and again to the listener I would say it's probably the first half of
it on the mechanics as simple as is my stance correct is my ball position correct am I hitting
the bottom of the swing plane which sounds like a fancy term but am I hitting the bottom
of the arc of the swing each time correctly like is my contact good.
Consistent right yeah consistency right.
So they always say let's you know I want to get more consistent well what are you doing
to make it more consistent well I practice once every two months and maybe I well no
you you got to get reps in and we come back to that all the time we come back to that
reps.
Absolutely.
So yeah so I'm a big I'm more of a 60 guy I've been a 60 guy my whole life it gets me
and you know arrogantly whatever the term is like my hands are really good like I can
feel I got like soft hands I can hit a eight yard chip if I want to I can hit a 30 yard
chip if I want to.
I'm actually working probably more towards your weight team back where I'm starting to
realize as I get quote unquote older yeah that sort of a lower ball flight is much more
consistent but safe yes I know you can you know what it's going to do.
Yes I mean you know you know when you have that little low bleeder cut you can kind of
you know aim up that left side and know what it's going to kind of do and it's you know
the big high fly ball or foul ball is you it's out of bounds every time but that little
ground ball grody up the middle she's safe every time so yeah yeah we learned that as
we as we get a little bit older that's for sure as we get wiser so yeah but from that
chipping perspective I probably I've seen the ball they talk a lot about flighted wedges
sometimes on tour and how how these guys now they're talking about 120 yard shots hundred
yard shots but when you're flighting a wedge even though even a 30 yard shot because like
you said that right what's the first club we took away from the high school kids all
the time.
It was the 60 year old wedge.
You don't have the license to drive this car yet correct you would tell no Ferrari yet
for you son.
No no so you can show me that you do have good hands that you do understand loft and
how to use it bounce and sort of like how I can change the angle of the club and the
ball position a lot of different things that can be factored in until you really understand
some of those concepts then then it's really better for maybe most of the players to hit
56 as their go to chipping club from this 30 50 yard shot.
So I'll go with the my practice is broken up in two spots my first part of the practice
is broken up from mechanics okay is my weight on my front side of my hands in front of my
heaven good contact with the ball each time I just want to hear that sound too right that's
also a good thing.
That little click at the bottom.
We hear that a lot of good teachers talk about this you can hear good golf shots you don't
need to see it you can hear it.
In junior camp today I had probably 15 of them at one time and I would say I would say
good shot Talia because I could hear the ball I'm working with you know Lucy in front of
me but I could hear the ball come off the club three days down.
So you can hear that and chipping is so similar like you can feel hear good chip shot clunky
chip shots.
We know they're not good as we make that contact.
So a big fan of all that mechanics get just get the basics working on the basics and then
the second part is to what you said okay now I'm going to hit 20 shots and I'm going to
pick out a spot forget about the mechanics now I'm going to pick out the spot halfway
between me and the hole and I try to land it on that spot 20 times in a row okay or
more to the artistry I call it the artistry of it.
Gotcha getting the feel for it.
Yeah correct right I got it it's the it is sort of the you know it's sort of me and you
if even at our ages if I gave you a baseball glove and you know ball and it's okay team
not throw me a ball from 20 20 feet away you throw it to me every time because you know
spatially where I am you don't know that I'm 20 way but the target part of it is oh he's
right there I'm gonna throw it to him and then if I moved kind of like what we used
to do with a football to move back to 30 yards I could still throw you the ball 30 yards
every time because your brain has this in you it's just that we get so caught up in
the mechanics of what we're taught watch whatever again husband friend trying to help us you
have to get out of the mechanics of it at some point and get into the artistry the hey
the flow target yeah right I've got to get out of my head for lack of a better term get
to the fact of hitting it to a spot and and just having that be the last swing thought
in your head before you take the club back so that's how I like to break it up yeah I
would agree with that I would say when you're in the zone or when you get that feeling it's
almost like if I just had a ball in my hand and I was just kind of throwing it up in the
air and landing it every time but I wasn't really thinking about it I had another conversation
going on in my head and I just kept doing it you know it's right it's just consistently
I'm somewhere else with my mind but my body is doing the action repetitively if that makes
sense I start thinking about what I'm gonna eat for dinner you know which bills I got
to pay like I my mind wanders you know what I need to work with the student that I just
had or you know whatever it may be you know and your mind kind of you know and that's
what elo it's it's when I start thinking about I need to land it here is when it starts going
awry does that make sense yeah yeah yeah well it's uh and most of the time we calculate
it pretty well I think I worked with a student this afternoon she said hey I just need help
with not pre-putting so it was it was a long putt pre-putt conversation because she wasn't
putting the first putt close enough okay and it was one of those like okay well you know
what's your process what's your thing I know we're gonna talk about putting here in a few
minutes but like what's your what's your process what are you thinking about and she didn't
have any of the homework being done right she didn't walk the putt off you didn't measure
how far it was but she got it after we explained it to her it's not it doesn't have the aim
point aim points a great technology I don't understand all of it it's a little confusing
units pseudo science I mean there's some to it but I mean it can get very confusing for
a student I can see that for sure oh absolutely especially you know this young lady who is
trying to break 120 like let's she's just trying to make contact with the putter each
time the same way right yeah you know grip was different so anyways yeah so it bleeds
kind of the point of this conversation bleeds into other parts of the game so if you're
gonna have a point that you're gonna pick out when you're chipping halfway between you
and the hole because you're using a 56 degree club if I'm gonna use a 60 degree club I'm
probably gonna pick out a point two-thirds of the way between me and the hole not halfway
I know the balls carry up in the air more you might be better you know you like to kind
of a little lower shot so you might be a third or whatever I call it 40% of the way between
you and the ball or between you and the hole and you're gonna see it run out to the hole
and roll up by the by the flag and I think you make a really great point right there
Sean is that your trajectory is going to determine what your percentage is right you know you
know if I'm a high ball hitter I'm probably going to take you know more percentage of
getting there than not being there and if I'm more of a you know low ball kind of person
I'm gonna have a different percentage so you know I think you make up a great point there
you know your angle of attack and your launch angle is going to determine what percentage
you need to play and that's just gonna be something personal it's not gonna be like
you know and I think that's it comes back it circles back to to what we started with
is that people start telling oh you need to play shots this way you need to play shots
that way and they start thinking that I need to play play shots differently than how they're
used to or played shots a different way that their buddy showed them or something like
that does that make sense oh yeah oh absolutely you gotta you gotta be comfortable and and
not second guess yourself which is definitely a lot I mean I do it myself too or I know
my poor golf shot on the golf course is where I don't fully commit to what I'm doing yeah
I've got little gray area in my head that says oh I don't know this might be a might
be a half swing you know 56 instead of like a three-quarter sixty no let me hit a three-quarter
sixty but then let me swing soft and you know slow and almost decel and come up you know
15 yards short because I didn't fully commit to having a full a good motion through it
yeah you got to commit to what you're doing but that again comes through reps of what
you've been doing consistently you know having these good images in your head which is to
me again I'll keep going back to that's another thing I'll go back to is that our images your
image my image of going over a hundred and twenty yard hundred and twenty yard golf shot
with water between us we don't have negative images of us hitting into the water right
not many but really like we don't that's not a concern water is not a concern for us whereas
a majority of the people that we teach water is a concern from a hundred and twenty yes
it's just it's just enough in their head just to not fully commit there's a term so what
they're trying to do and they just either you see the right hand go quicker or their
hips go fat whatever they're trying to do they just want to get it over instead of hitting
a hundred and twenty five yard I don't care eight iron right who cares what the number
is yeah we have a club in your head it's gonna go 125 yeah and I think that you know I think
our buddy Sean van Patten had one of the best sayings that kind of goes with that remember
it's a golf swing not a golf hit and when those guys get over something like that the
nerves start coming in and the idea of hitting it or really accelerating at it it just everything
gets out of whack and you got to remember you got to go through your process and you
got to swing the club you got to let the club do the work for you and and you know trust
in the practice and process that you've put in place prior to that absolutely yep so visual
visualization and again even this you know 30 20 30 50 there's so much who's got the
I'm gonna hopefully you're gonna get this right T Mac who if you could name me a few
players who've got the greatest short game imagination on tour like who comes to your
mind when I say that that question to me I mean you know you can always say you could
always go to Tiger and Phil but to me I'm always thinking of Seve Biosterras I mean
that's the one I always you know when I want to go back and I want to get touch into the
artistry that's the one I really go to so but yeah Phil Tiger you know there's so many
on tour yeah but those are the two I agree I mean I saw Seve a little bit at the beginning
you know when I was young too but but to me it is it is Tiger Phil and it's lefty righty
it's the fact that Rickleson's literally I mean he's thinking about hitting a shot out
of a bunker behind him the flag is behind him and he doesn't think like all of us would
think about oh no we've got a downhill bunker shot he thinks okay I can carry the ball over
my head around and loop it back under the green yeah what you know you know he was a
trick shot artist before they had YouTube if that makes sense you know what I mean he
was one of those guys that was making those shots he was hitting balls over David Pell's
head with the club being no more than a foot away from him I mean it was just amazing what
he could do with it and then Tiger's 90 commercial yeah I mean I'll try to emulate when we were
15 or whatever 20 absolutely and you know let's talk about you know the the shot that
he hit at Augusta that kind of hangs on the edge and drops in I mean you know that that's
storybook stuff that's great that you bring up T-Max 16 at Augusta he wins the Masters
that year I don't know what the year was anymore obviously the ball that we you know we all
see the iconic Nike hanging on the lip just like storybook like you said how does that
how does the Nike logo pop there and then fall into the cup perfect timing I mean and
it couldn't happen to you know a greater legend to you know really cap you know that's going
to be an image I think that will always last either that or the one that putt that he made
it at Torrey Pines oh my gosh both of them both of them but and talk about artistry on
that shot on 16 you've been there now you went you were there this year you see where
he hit it from yeah and you see where he has to aim it and it's not even close to the hole
right we're always chipping going towards the hole no out here at Oakley very rarely
am I chipping towards the golf ball it's so many off so often am I trying to figure out
the angles kind of I always tell people I feel like when you're if you're a good putter
you're typically a good pool player because and angles you kind of understand how hard
to hit something to create that you know that pool cue or the pool cue to hit the pool the
light ball the cue ball and then we got okay you got to deflect another ball into a pocket
like there's a lot of hand-eye coordination and mental gymnastics going on right there
oh absolutely there's a lot of geometry and angles and math going on and in touch too
I mean let's not forget that you've got to have some some solid touch to put the proper
pace on it yeah so kind of like a lot like lag putting I would say oh absolutely so let's
start moving in a little bit closer to the green what are you are you like a seven eight
nine iron guy kind of bump and run if you're let's say five yards off the fringe are you
a putt guy are you a hybrid guy like what's your what's your poison or whatever I'm probably
going to be more of a putt guy you know you know if I if I have to take one of the the
irons and I got to be honest it's one of those times if I if I think it's going to be one
of those irons I kind of look at my bag and for whatever reason I just feel like there's
a club that smiles at me like an eight or seven and I kind of you know you're just confident
with it but nine times out of ten I'm probably going to grab the old putter and you know
I always figured that you know a bad putt is better than a good chip that's funny yeah
so I'm a little different I'm more if I'm gonna because we're probably talking about
a 30 40 50 60 foot shot we'll call it okay foot check right because we're we're far enough
off the green where we feel like putter is we're not on the you know two yards off the
green we're five yards off okay but I definitely know a lot of players like you like you're
saying that that will putt with it they just feel better control with that I again didn't
have a lot of didn't have a real job and didn't have a girlfriend for a long time when I was
young type of stuff so I could practice a lot you know like yeah so I I beat up I beat
up my eight iron chipping and my seven iron chipping okay then I kind of in my sort of
last we'll call it last 10 15 years I kind of brought the nine iron into play okay so
what I like to do as a kind of demonstration for players when they're struggling with these
little chip shots you know that you want to hit something that ideally yeah again you
can always putt but you know you want to hit something that covers the fringe right you
got to get it over the thick stuff we'll call it not rough or in the or in the apron correct
on the fairway but I want to call it so you want to get over that fringe because you
want to get that fringe boost right you know right yeah I think I think they make a great
point there so please continue on yeah and then I like to take a nine iron and eight
iron and a seven iron I got the student next to me and I said okay we're gonna swing the
same exact way with all three clubs we're not gonna change anything we're gonna set
up with our weight on our left side we're gonna have our feet really close together
almost feels tucking yeah we're gonna get real close to it we're gonna have that shaft
be pretty up and down we're not gonna have any kind of like lie angle of the shaft pretty
yeah pretty vertical yeah because the more and again this is sort of one of those tips
that you don't hear enough if you got the toe on the ground as opposed to the flat part
of the club like the sole of the club if you didn't try to sole it if you got the heel
off the ground toe on the ground you're gonna eliminate fat shots super quick because the
only thing touching the ground as you come through would be the toe so you kind of like
got the heel up you're in a putting motion you're really in a putting motion and then
it's super quiet with your hands there's no wrist hinge it's not like the sand wedge
or the gap or lob wedge from you know 30 yards yeah yeah it's really dead like dead arms
you know some of the turns you got your arms in front of you your chest moves a little
bit to the right you're probably not taking this thing back anywhere close to your knees
if that makes sense it's not it's just a small swing it's small part.
Howard Glassman Yeah it's the flying putt I like to call it the flying putt.
David Erickson That's a good term yeah and then on the way
through it's really really similar meeting my arms are standing quiet never tense but
they're just they're just they're straight and basically you're gonna again controlled
acceleration you're gonna keep the acceleration going all the way through you're just gonna
finish below your knee too so it's not it's just the club comes off the ground a little
bit and the thing about it is if you do the nine iron let's just use a let's just use
this if I use the nine iron and hit that shot I might hit it 12 yards maybe maybe five carry
and seven roll gotcha perfect 12 yards then I pick up my eight iron I might hit that 22
yards right I might catch another 10 yards of roll now I might instead of carrying it
five yards I might carry it eight yards or 12 yards but I got less loss so it's gonna
roll out to somewhere between 18 and 22 yards so my nine iron goes 12 yards my eight iron
goes somewhere between 18 and 22 yards and that seven iron can now go roughly around
I'm sorry yeah yards I'm okay with the yards thing maybe it's come down to a little bit
of feet type of thing maybe it's let me rephrase that 15 to 20 feet with my iron probably 30
to 35 feet with my eight iron and then my seven iron will be used for that kind of that
50 to 60 foot shot where I've got the pin in the back and I know I just want to let
it get on the green and roll up there and I don't feel comfortable with a 60 foot putt
in my head you know I feel better about hitting a seven iron at 60 feet consistently than
I would a putt from 60 feet just me gotcha yeah absolutely the only thing I would say
is that with the the chip that you were talking about there is that I utilize especially on
the back pin a little bit I try to put like a little hook spin on it just a little bit
that way kind of I always find it especially if it's a you know because most greens are
front to back and it just kind of gives it that little extra kick to get up that hill
so for me I always think of trying to get like a little little hook on those back pin
placements if that makes sense especially on those longer shots so that's just my two
cents no it's definitely it's good you know I I know we kind of talked about doing putting
I think we I think we don't even want to talk about putting today it's almost like doing
the driver lesson in the iron lesson I think this is just great kind of information reference
for people you know give them hopefully some different ways to approach the game do you
have any just maybe it's sort of the last note do you have any particular brands or
models do you care what it says at the bottom of the club do you like do you have the same
shafts in your lob wedge in your pitching wedge in your 56 as you do with your full
set of irons maybe a little bit of like help for the for the people out there to kind of
figure out what to purchase yeah yeah I mean what I try to do is is I usually stick with
I've always stick with Cleveland I don't think you go wrong with Cleveland I try to make
sure that the the balance is consistent I try to make sure that the weight is consistent
and I always make sure that the length is consistent I'll find people they'll have a
a standard 56 and then they'll have this this 60 degree that's like two three inches shorter
than that and you know when you start messing around with the length that much you start
messing with the lie angle and what the bounce is supposed to do so you know I you know those
are some of the things especially if you if you're looking at clubs you want to make sure
you get those things consistent that's what I would say especially if you're buying something
new or you used especially yeah I like that so my my chief sense on that is it's got to
look good it's got to look good that's that's my big deal it can't look clunky it can't
look fat or big some people need fat or big by the way that's okay right some people need
some forgiveness for these 30 50 yard shots so it's perfectly okay to have something so
in the Cleveland world the CBX is kind of the little bigger more forgiving golf club
on the wedge side yes then the art the the RT's RTX yeah yeah RTX or something like that
yeah yeah that's like the little more blade we'll call it right the one that's got some
more spin to it we'll call it too so I haven't really ever been brand specific I think Callaway
makes a great club Callaway also makes a great wedge because Roger Cleveland is making wedges
for Callaway because when he sold Cleveland he had a two-year non-compete with his business
so he couldn't make Cleveland wedges anymore so when I take that Cleveland wedge or Callaway
wedges two years and one day after he left I'm like oh my gosh this looks like the Cleveland
wedge I used in high school yeah so kind of the look of it is similar and then so I currently
I have the I've got Mizuno wedges I've been playing those for a couple years I've definitely
played around with ping wedges I think to me it's you know Bokeh gets a great name Bokeh
is a great company they always have a tour quite a bit I just never I've never been a
Scotty Cameron I've never been a Bokeh it's just who you kind of grew up with whatever
I'm a big Cleveland fan yeah it's a weird one Tim I my grips on my 56 and my 60 are
thinner standard size compared to my pitching wedge through five iron my pitching wedge through
five iron are mid-size grips I want to feel the shaft with those 56s and 60s okay so I
went to a thinner grip a standard size grip but like I said I'm such a like a handsy feel
Tiger talks about that a ton like you got to be able to kind of because you want to
feel the face so I also the reason why I have a mid-size grip on my eight iron versus a
standard grip only 60 I'm not trying to swing 60 at full speed correct so I don't need the
bigger mass of the grip to allow me to you know I want to have that that contact ball
face contact feel so that's why I went for that I tried to maybe match up shafts with
iron shafts like the lob wedge of 56 would kind of match my iron set but again same thing
my speed on 60 is not as fast as on my eight iron so if my eight iron shaft is 115 grams
I might have 105 gram shaft in my in my lob wedge personal purpose right gotcha yeah I
kind of sway the other way a little bit I think my I think my irons are about 105 and
I think I've got my wedges at about 110 or 115 so I always thought my wedge is heavier
yeah for me so you know and I think you know it just comes down to what you said you know
it comes down to feel you know when you get down to those shots you're not swinging a
club at 120 miles an hour you're swinging it at you know 40 50 miles an hour it's a
touch shot and I want to feel everything I can with my hands and you know the palms and
fingers and whatever you know sensory things that we're using for that shot this is the
last stupid one I'll give to you and my listeners here our listeners here is just that I ordered
my 56 the last three years I've ordered my 56 in blue for the Mizuno okay so they came
with this cool blue satin type of thing and then I've got my I've got my gap lead or my
lob wedge my 60 currently now it's in copper it was in chrome before so the colors are
different so I know when I'm going into my bag I know which club it is by the color gotcha
you know whatever it's kind of cool the Denim is kind of cool and sexy and fun and I like
that denim copper thing on my 60 I like the blue I just didn't like the chrome sometimes
it's some glare type of stuff on some of the chrome stuff so you know some of the raw finishes
have been nice over in the past sometimes they have that black finish on the cleave
and it's just again to me it's just like hey we're lucky enough to be in this business
we can kind of get a little more than the average bear we get it yeah but but also there's
a method behind the madness I got two different colored wedges because I don't want to look
anymore with the numbers absolutely but the other thing is I think you bring up a great
point if I don't look down and enjoy what I'm looking at or swinging I'm not going to
have much confidence in it and at that point I need to have all the confidence I need because
that's probably going to be the shot that either makes or break if I'm going to make
par or not you know what I mean so you better enjoy what you're looking at right there for
sure because it's going to give you the added bonus of confidence oh my gosh so to recap
it's going to be get good you know have good have good mechanics yes right if you don't
know what good mechanics are go see your local PGA pro like Tim Nakavina like Sean Fox whoever
that is yes find you know find what is working for you and then go practice the crap out
of it go practice as much as you can and repetitive and consistently put some artistry into that
yeah get some you know and play some games too I think you got to have some games too
right I mean you you know play some games or if you can find a buddy to play with you
your your short game is going to you know drop significantly if you've got somebody
to practice with but you know try to make a game out of it because just hitting balls
and getting bored you're going to you're going to be like you know you'll see the first end
of the result and you're like oh I've got this and then it's going to go very quickly
so throw in some games have some fun if you can get a partner that's even better but you
know make sure you try to make it enjoyable throw in the iPhone you know the iPad or the
you know the earphones and listen to the podcast that would be great we'll help you out while
you're listening but yeah you know I think that's part of it too right there that's good
stuff that's good stuff so I think you know in the future ones T Mac I think our best
option will be let's do putting in as a separate entity because we can talk about putting for
what pelts per a thousand page book on putting right I mean is we can talk about putting
for you know hours so we go green reading lag putting short putts you know you know
we could even go with the Jordan Spieth look at the whole kind of putt I mean it can get
outrageous so maybe we'll jump into that on the next episode that would be great and then I think
I think bunker play needs its own too because I think bunker play almost sometimes like in our
lessons they're like you know you know I need help my driver but I also can't hit out of bunkers
and it just gets thrown in as like a little 10-minute window where where I think if people
understood sort of the the fundamentals we'll call it of bunker play yeah I feel like it could
really help them even through a podcast even through a because it's just again sort of a lot
of misnomers on what you said at the beginning team that just helping let me help the ball get
up in the air no no that's not how we do it yeah you know understand the angle of attack right
yep yep absolutely great great session then always fun talking in look forward to talking to some
guests coming up we got some good guests coming up here in the future yeah we'll keep going at it
sounds great sounds great we want to welcome or thank everybody for listening Sean it's been
absolutely fabulous love the short game session hopefully we'll help some people and we'll
hopefully get the one on putting coming on out in bunker play here real soon
okay man all right we'll talk to you guys later all right thank you and have a great day