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Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf.

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Welcome back Dynamic Golf listeners.

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I am your co-host Tim McElvanagh aka TMac.

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Today, Sean, my fellow co-host, who do we have or what are we going over today?

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Well, I thought TMac and hello to our Dynamic Golf listeners.

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Pretty excited first of all about some of the feedback we're getting from our listeners

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TMac.

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It's pretty fun to see some of the numbers on YouTube and Spotify.

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It's pretty cool to see we're getting some traction.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So thank you.

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Thank you for your support.

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We certainly appreciate it and hopefully we're helping you a little bit with your game and

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maybe the mental side as well.

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So I thought today we could do just kind of a little short game, kind of inside of 50

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yards.

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We talk a lot about TMac during our lessons with people.

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I think to me it's the area that people first of all don't pay attention to enough, you

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would agree, right?

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Absolutely.

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And they're just sort of shocked sometimes when we show them how to execute a proper

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chip shot from 20 yards that they've just been doing it wrong or they've been told the

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other way or you know what I'm saying?

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Like they're just told the opposite way by YouTube people, it's more by like they're

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playing with partners, their husbands, their wife or whatever.

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Yes, it kind of ranks right up there with keep your eye on the ball, one of those kind

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of things, you know what I mean?

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Keep your head down and all that silliness.

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So I think, I mean let's just kind of get into it, you know the 50 yard shot and obviously

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it's going to depend on how far you hit a full swing pitching wedge.

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We're going to go with the idea that this would be some type of you know half swing

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sand wedge, maybe it's a half swing pitching wedge for some people, maybe it's a half swing

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niner for other people, who cares right?

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It's just about the idea that it's not a full swing.

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It's a controlled shot.

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We've got to and almost if the listener hears nothing else today, you have to keep your

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weight on your forward side, your lead side.

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I was watching how they have all these golf channel little half hour shows with different

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people.

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Some of the teaching pros, Martin Hall and different guys like that.

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He was interviewing Morgan Pressell, you know really good lady golfer, woman golfer who's

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won a bunch of events.

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He's down in Naples and you know you watch Nicholson do videos like nobody hits a good

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chip shot with weight on their back foot.

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And there's no instructor teaching that either.

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So I mean there's a common law, you know everybody, you know every book that I'd ever read or

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anything like that, you have the weight move to the front side or feel like you're you

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know pressed up against a door jam of some sort like that, making sure that you've got

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your weight forward.

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Because the one thing you don't want to have on a short shot like that is to hit it fat.

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You can kind of get away with a thin spinny shot a little bit, but a fat shot is absolutely

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a no-go.

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So yeah, great point right there.

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Yeah, you're turning you know you're turning a par for us you know into a bogey.

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You're turning a bogey into a double for the maybe a 10 or 12 handicapper and then obviously

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kind of just exponentially gets worse.

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Sometimes you dump it in a bunker.

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Whatever.

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Let's be positive.

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I'm not talking about the negative shots, but such a true thing that like and it's it's

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it is the physics of the golf club that you're hitting.

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You've got a lofted golf club 56 degree, 52 degrees, something like that and you do not

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want to swing up on the on the club.

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Your angle has to be downward into the golf shot, right?

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So the club head has to be working downward into the into the ball and then the ground.

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And like you just said the fat shot is the cause of hey, I've I've got the club working

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the club head works faster than my hands do on my downswing.

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My weight shifts to my right foot and now I hit the ground before I hit the ball and

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now we're now we're in trouble.

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Correct, correct.

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And it's it's tough to get the student to understand that they don't need to add loft

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or to give it any loft.

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They really that's the big thing is that's why they fall back is they want to kind of

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help guide it into the air instead of trying to drive it through the air is what I would

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say.

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It's it's almost like the little analogy of like kind of throwing a ball underhanded is

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a good analogy.

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I love that analogy.

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If you've got a lot we talked about that before where your your backswing when you throw a

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ball under backswing the lacrosse better term is never as long as your follow through.

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You would always follow through more than you would take your arm back.

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Bowling.

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Think about bowling.

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Bowling.

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Great one.

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Tennis.

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I keep coming back to tennis.

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That's a good one.

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But the kind of the idea is that you are always having acceleration at the ball or after

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the ball just like we do on the regular full swing shots.

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That's why it's sometimes called the mini a mini golf shot a mini swing.

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These chip shots that we're talking about are kind of smaller than the normal full swing

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but they'll follow through the finish that even the belt buckle the right knee the right

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hand players the stomach the face.

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Everything still faces my target whether I'm honestly 10 12 15 30 50 yards away.

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I'm going to have a consistent follow through finish where I've got my weight starting on

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my left side.

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I'm going to see if I walk the listener through it it would be weight would start on my left

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side stance would be depending on how far I'm hitting the shot.

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It might get narrower as I get closer to the green.

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And I'm really a big fan of the feeling of I'm going to just kind of start off with my

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weight on my left side 60 to 70 percent and I'm going to rotate or turn that right shoulder

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up in the air.

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You know that's kind of what I'm feeling.

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It's not any type of weight shift to my right foot.

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It's just turning the right shoulder up back however you want to call it.

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And then I'm already in position where I'm ready to kind of get back to my left side

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in a downswing where then I will hit down through it and make a good follow through.

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So absolutely.

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I mean that's textbook.

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You know the other thing I think you know some of the people need to realize a little

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bit is that there is a little little movement with the knees.

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You know sometimes I see a lot of people with that 50 yard shot they get that lock knee

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kind of thing going and that's where they kind of fall back or they don't have that

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weight transfer that you're needing.

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You've got to have a little delicate knee rotation there with those shots.

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There's just a little gentle turn just like we would with the regular swing.

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It's just at a much smaller level.

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It comes down to the fact the lower body is supposed to lead everything on the downswing.

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And if you don't have your legs active and that's a good term.

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Again Morgan Pressel saying actually this is Michelle Lee we watched a lot yesterday

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because it wasn't as busy at the golf course.

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Just have to be in the background.

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But Michelle Lee was talking about like when she plays in Pro-Am's that she has you know

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she doesn't see that the amateur's legs are they're not active they're kind of glued to

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the ground and you can't again athletically if you're going to make a motion you got to

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have some freedom in your legs.

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So what you're talking about perfect right there.

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You've got to be able to have some freedom is a good term with your legs.

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There's got to be some movement down back into the ground on the downswing.

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And then again you're going to kind of start going to a good follow through with your stomach

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chest probably coming up and therefore your head would come up and it would follow the

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ball.

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Absolutely.

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Everything's turning through just like if you were throwing a ball or anything like

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that you'd have that motion turning through to your target and maybe even a little through

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or past your target right.

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So you know you definitely and you know one thing I've noticed you've always stressed

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especially with your students and stuff like that Sean is that you always emphasize the

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follow through sticking the finish holding that that finish and I think there's a great

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point to be said about that because if you're focusing on that point you're not focusing

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on the other parts right.

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So I think that's a that's a great great way to work and I've always taken that from you.

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So I appreciate that from learning that from you.

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Oh it's good.

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It's generationally brought down back you know from my when I was 13 years old getting

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taught by somebody who's who I thought was old who was 55 now 53 so it wasn't old but

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you know.

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Junior clinics.

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There's a junior like a junior clinic stuff I did this morning for two hours today with

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these kids.

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You know when I was 13 we were going through it and you pick up on that.

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The other term I want to kind of keep going back to is controlled acceleration.

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We see that all the time back where they stop right.

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They decelerate going into the and that's just that does so many bad things that's you

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know that club face open shanks.

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Yeah the unmentionable the Voldemort's game.

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Yeah but that that ability to have a controlled acceleration you're never you're never decelerating

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the club.

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You're always moving the club a little bit faster a little bit faster a little bit faster

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after impact it's still going fast and then it just that's what brings you that's what

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leads you to the follow through and the finish.

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But when you do it with your hands which is probably the biggest offender that we you

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talked about right there where somebody tries to lift the ball up in the air they're doing

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it with their hands instead of any type of body that they're going to stop accelerating

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their body and they're going to go faster the body.

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Now we're going to hit it in and or fat and or left those other things too like all three

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of those things can happen.

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So yeah we've lost complete control of the club and it's just depending on where that

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that ball that club hits that ball at that time and that's where it's going to go right.

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So what's what's your like if you went 25 yards 30 yards versus 50 yards are you picking a

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different club.

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Are you picking a different motion kind of what's your go to.

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I'm probably not going to be changing clubs terribly too much.

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I usually stick with the 56 I have as a kid.

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I didn't really grab into the old 60 thing like some of the younger generation has and

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some of my generation has.

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I figure I can use a 56 and I can kind of turn that down to where it's about a 54 53

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or I can kind of you know turn it back up a little bit and get it up to about 58 59

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degrees to get that loft.

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So it gives me a lot of versatility and I don't have to you know spend hours trying

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to figure out what that club does and this club does.

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I try to just keep the one club you know stupid simple.

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You know that's me.

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Now I think that's a and it's almost pick your not pick your poison but pick your pleasure

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like which which do you first of all which you have enough time to go practice.

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That's first of all if you don't have enough time to practice then let's stick with the

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one club idea and basically just kind of get the one club to do multiple sort of different

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yardages and not have to learn three different tools.

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Don't learn a hammer a screwdriver and also a hacksaw.

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Correct.

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Yeah absolutely.

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Yeah let's just learn one of them.

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I've had the opportunity especially last year now or last three months I should say.

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I've got more practice time in my world so I love just throwing the headphones on and

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just going out there.

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It's to me it's definitely a way to get away from the world for an hour.

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I listen to podcasts.

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Ironically right.

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Exactly.

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I listen to some music ones.

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I listen to some different things but it's always been a way for me to kind of escape

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and get away from whatever's happening in the world and basically just.

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Now when you go out there what are you trying to focus on like what when you go out there

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and you get yourself in the zone is there a particular thing that you're focusing on

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like a landing point how much it rolls or do you take like a certain number of balls

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like five or six of them say I want to do this with this number and this with this.

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What do you kind of do what do you kind of focus on there.

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My practice routine in the back of this golf course here up there here at Oakley we've

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got two different sort of practice air practice greens so you can chip you know maybe like

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a 10 to 12 yard chip and just kind of beat that up and do as much as you want or you

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can go maybe a 30 yard shot but there's multiple different angles that you can go from too.

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So I would say and again to the listener I would say it's probably the first half of

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it on the mechanics as simple as is my stance correct is my ball position correct am I hitting

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the bottom of the swing plane which sounds like a fancy term but am I hitting the bottom

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of the arc of the swing each time correctly like is my contact good.

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Consistent right yeah consistency right.

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So they always say let's you know I want to get more consistent well what are you doing

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to make it more consistent well I practice once every two months and maybe I well no

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you you got to get reps in and we come back to that all the time we come back to that

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So yeah so I'm a big I'm more of a 60 guy I've been a 60 guy my whole life it gets me

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and you know arrogantly whatever the term is like my hands are really good like I can

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feel I got like soft hands I can hit a eight yard chip if I want to I can hit a 30 yard

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chip if I want to.

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I'm actually working probably more towards your weight team back where I'm starting to

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realize as I get quote unquote older yeah that sort of a lower ball flight is much more

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consistent but safe yes I know you can you know what it's going to do.

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Yes I mean you know you know when you have that little low bleeder cut you can kind of

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you know aim up that left side and know what it's going to kind of do and it's you know

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the big high fly ball or foul ball is you it's out of bounds every time but that little

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ground ball grody up the middle she's safe every time so yeah yeah we learned that as

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we as we get a little bit older that's for sure as we get wiser so yeah but from that

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chipping perspective I probably I've seen the ball they talk a lot about flighted wedges

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sometimes on tour and how how these guys now they're talking about 120 yard shots hundred

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yard shots but when you're flighting a wedge even though even a 30 yard shot because like

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you said that right what's the first club we took away from the high school kids all

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the time.

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It was the 60 year old wedge.

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You don't have the license to drive this car yet correct you would tell no Ferrari yet

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for you son.

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No no so you can show me that you do have good hands that you do understand loft and

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how to use it bounce and sort of like how I can change the angle of the club and the

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ball position a lot of different things that can be factored in until you really understand

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some of those concepts then then it's really better for maybe most of the players to hit

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56 as their go to chipping club from this 30 50 yard shot.

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So I'll go with the my practice is broken up in two spots my first part of the practice

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is broken up from mechanics okay is my weight on my front side of my hands in front of my

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heaven good contact with the ball each time I just want to hear that sound too right that's

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also a good thing.

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That little click at the bottom.

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We hear that a lot of good teachers talk about this you can hear good golf shots you don't

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need to see it you can hear it.

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In junior camp today I had probably 15 of them at one time and I would say I would say

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good shot Talia because I could hear the ball I'm working with you know Lucy in front of

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me but I could hear the ball come off the club three days down.

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So you can hear that and chipping is so similar like you can feel hear good chip shot clunky

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chip shots.

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We know they're not good as we make that contact.

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So a big fan of all that mechanics get just get the basics working on the basics and then

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the second part is to what you said okay now I'm going to hit 20 shots and I'm going to

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pick out a spot forget about the mechanics now I'm going to pick out the spot halfway

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between me and the hole and I try to land it on that spot 20 times in a row okay or

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more to the artistry I call it the artistry of it.

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Gotcha getting the feel for it.

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Yeah correct right I got it it's the it is sort of the you know it's sort of me and you

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if even at our ages if I gave you a baseball glove and you know ball and it's okay team

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not throw me a ball from 20 20 feet away you throw it to me every time because you know

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spatially where I am you don't know that I'm 20 way but the target part of it is oh he's

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right there I'm gonna throw it to him and then if I moved kind of like what we used

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to do with a football to move back to 30 yards I could still throw you the ball 30 yards

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every time because your brain has this in you it's just that we get so caught up in

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the mechanics of what we're taught watch whatever again husband friend trying to help us you

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have to get out of the mechanics of it at some point and get into the artistry the hey

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the flow target yeah right I've got to get out of my head for lack of a better term get

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to the fact of hitting it to a spot and and just having that be the last swing thought

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in your head before you take the club back so that's how I like to break it up yeah I

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would agree with that I would say when you're in the zone or when you get that feeling it's

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almost like if I just had a ball in my hand and I was just kind of throwing it up in the

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air and landing it every time but I wasn't really thinking about it I had another conversation

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going on in my head and I just kept doing it you know it's right it's just consistently

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I'm somewhere else with my mind but my body is doing the action repetitively if that makes

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sense I start thinking about what I'm gonna eat for dinner you know which bills I got

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to pay like I my mind wanders you know what I need to work with the student that I just

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had or you know whatever it may be you know and your mind kind of you know and that's

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what elo it's it's when I start thinking about I need to land it here is when it starts going

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awry does that make sense yeah yeah yeah well it's uh and most of the time we calculate

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it pretty well I think I worked with a student this afternoon she said hey I just need help

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with not pre-putting so it was it was a long putt pre-putt conversation because she wasn't

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putting the first putt close enough okay and it was one of those like okay well you know

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what's your process what's your thing I know we're gonna talk about putting here in a few

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minutes but like what's your what's your process what are you thinking about and she didn't

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have any of the homework being done right she didn't walk the putt off you didn't measure

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how far it was but she got it after we explained it to her it's not it doesn't have the aim

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point aim points a great technology I don't understand all of it it's a little confusing

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units pseudo science I mean there's some to it but I mean it can get very confusing for

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a student I can see that for sure oh absolutely especially you know this young lady who is

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trying to break 120 like let's she's just trying to make contact with the putter each

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time the same way right yeah you know grip was different so anyways yeah so it bleeds

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kind of the point of this conversation bleeds into other parts of the game so if you're

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gonna have a point that you're gonna pick out when you're chipping halfway between you

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and the hole because you're using a 56 degree club if I'm gonna use a 60 degree club I'm

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probably gonna pick out a point two-thirds of the way between me and the hole not halfway

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I know the balls carry up in the air more you might be better you know you like to kind

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of a little lower shot so you might be a third or whatever I call it 40% of the way between

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you and the ball or between you and the hole and you're gonna see it run out to the hole

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and roll up by the by the flag and I think you make a really great point right there

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Sean is that your trajectory is going to determine what your percentage is right you know you

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know if I'm a high ball hitter I'm probably going to take you know more percentage of

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getting there than not being there and if I'm more of a you know low ball kind of person

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I'm gonna have a different percentage so you know I think you make up a great point there

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you know your angle of attack and your launch angle is going to determine what percentage

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you need to play and that's just gonna be something personal it's not gonna be like

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you know and I think that's it comes back it circles back to to what we started with

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is that people start telling oh you need to play shots this way you need to play shots

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that way and they start thinking that I need to play play shots differently than how they're

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used to or played shots a different way that their buddy showed them or something like

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that does that make sense oh yeah oh absolutely you gotta you gotta be comfortable and and

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not second guess yourself which is definitely a lot I mean I do it myself too or I know

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my poor golf shot on the golf course is where I don't fully commit to what I'm doing yeah

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I've got little gray area in my head that says oh I don't know this might be a might

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be a half swing you know 56 instead of like a three-quarter sixty no let me hit a three-quarter

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sixty but then let me swing soft and you know slow and almost decel and come up you know

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15 yards short because I didn't fully commit to having a full a good motion through it

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yeah you got to commit to what you're doing but that again comes through reps of what

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you've been doing consistently you know having these good images in your head which is to

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me again I'll keep going back to that's another thing I'll go back to is that our images your

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image my image of going over a hundred and twenty yard hundred and twenty yard golf shot

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with water between us we don't have negative images of us hitting into the water right

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not many but really like we don't that's not a concern water is not a concern for us whereas

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a majority of the people that we teach water is a concern from a hundred and twenty yes

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it's just it's just enough in their head just to not fully commit there's a term so what

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they're trying to do and they just either you see the right hand go quicker or their

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hips go fat whatever they're trying to do they just want to get it over instead of hitting

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a hundred and twenty five yard I don't care eight iron right who cares what the number

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is yeah we have a club in your head it's gonna go 125 yeah and I think that you know I think

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our buddy Sean van Patten had one of the best sayings that kind of goes with that remember

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it's a golf swing not a golf hit and when those guys get over something like that the

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nerves start coming in and the idea of hitting it or really accelerating at it it just everything

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gets out of whack and you got to remember you got to go through your process and you

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got to swing the club you got to let the club do the work for you and and you know trust

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in the practice and process that you've put in place prior to that absolutely yep so visual

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visualization and again even this you know 30 20 30 50 there's so much who's got the

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I'm gonna hopefully you're gonna get this right T Mac who if you could name me a few

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players who've got the greatest short game imagination on tour like who comes to your

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mind when I say that that question to me I mean you know you can always say you could

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always go to Tiger and Phil but to me I'm always thinking of Seve Biosterras I mean

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that's the one I always you know when I want to go back and I want to get touch into the

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artistry that's the one I really go to so but yeah Phil Tiger you know there's so many

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on tour yeah but those are the two I agree I mean I saw Seve a little bit at the beginning

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you know when I was young too but but to me it is it is Tiger Phil and it's lefty righty

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it's the fact that Rickleson's literally I mean he's thinking about hitting a shot out

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of a bunker behind him the flag is behind him and he doesn't think like all of us would

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think about oh no we've got a downhill bunker shot he thinks okay I can carry the ball over

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my head around and loop it back under the green yeah what you know you know he was a

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trick shot artist before they had YouTube if that makes sense you know what I mean he

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was one of those guys that was making those shots he was hitting balls over David Pell's

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head with the club being no more than a foot away from him I mean it was just amazing what

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he could do with it and then Tiger's 90 commercial yeah I mean I'll try to emulate when we were

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15 or whatever 20 absolutely and you know let's talk about you know the the shot that

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he hit at Augusta that kind of hangs on the edge and drops in I mean you know that that's

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storybook stuff that's great that you bring up T-Max 16 at Augusta he wins the Masters

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that year I don't know what the year was anymore obviously the ball that we you know we all

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see the iconic Nike hanging on the lip just like storybook like you said how does that

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how does the Nike logo pop there and then fall into the cup perfect timing I mean and

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it couldn't happen to you know a greater legend to you know really cap you know that's going

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to be an image I think that will always last either that or the one that putt that he made

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it at Torrey Pines oh my gosh both of them both of them but and talk about artistry on

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that shot on 16 you've been there now you went you were there this year you see where

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he hit it from yeah and you see where he has to aim it and it's not even close to the hole

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right we're always chipping going towards the hole no out here at Oakley very rarely

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am I chipping towards the golf ball it's so many off so often am I trying to figure out

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the angles kind of I always tell people I feel like when you're if you're a good putter

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you're typically a good pool player because and angles you kind of understand how hard

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to hit something to create that you know that pool cue or the pool cue to hit the pool the

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light ball the cue ball and then we got okay you got to deflect another ball into a pocket

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like there's a lot of hand-eye coordination and mental gymnastics going on right there

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oh absolutely there's a lot of geometry and angles and math going on and in touch too

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I mean let's not forget that you've got to have some some solid touch to put the proper

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pace on it yeah so kind of like a lot like lag putting I would say oh absolutely so let's

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start moving in a little bit closer to the green what are you are you like a seven eight

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nine iron guy kind of bump and run if you're let's say five yards off the fringe are you

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a putt guy are you a hybrid guy like what's your what's your poison or whatever I'm probably

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going to be more of a putt guy you know you know if I if I have to take one of the the

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irons and I got to be honest it's one of those times if I if I think it's going to be one

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of those irons I kind of look at my bag and for whatever reason I just feel like there's

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a club that smiles at me like an eight or seven and I kind of you know you're just confident

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with it but nine times out of ten I'm probably going to grab the old putter and you know

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I always figured that you know a bad putt is better than a good chip that's funny yeah

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so I'm a little different I'm more if I'm gonna because we're probably talking about

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a 30 40 50 60 foot shot we'll call it okay foot check right because we're we're far enough

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off the green where we feel like putter is we're not on the you know two yards off the

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green we're five yards off okay but I definitely know a lot of players like you like you're

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saying that that will putt with it they just feel better control with that I again didn't

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have a lot of didn't have a real job and didn't have a girlfriend for a long time when I was

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young type of stuff so I could practice a lot you know like yeah so I I beat up I beat

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up my eight iron chipping and my seven iron chipping okay then I kind of in my sort of

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last we'll call it last 10 15 years I kind of brought the nine iron into play okay so

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what I like to do as a kind of demonstration for players when they're struggling with these

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little chip shots you know that you want to hit something that ideally yeah again you

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can always putt but you know you want to hit something that covers the fringe right you

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got to get it over the thick stuff we'll call it not rough or in the or in the apron correct

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on the fairway but I want to call it so you want to get over that fringe because you

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want to get that fringe boost right you know right yeah I think I think they make a great

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point there so please continue on yeah and then I like to take a nine iron and eight

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iron and a seven iron I got the student next to me and I said okay we're gonna swing the

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same exact way with all three clubs we're not gonna change anything we're gonna set

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up with our weight on our left side we're gonna have our feet really close together

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almost feels tucking yeah we're gonna get real close to it we're gonna have that shaft

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be pretty up and down we're not gonna have any kind of like lie angle of the shaft pretty

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yeah pretty vertical yeah because the more and again this is sort of one of those tips

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that you don't hear enough if you got the toe on the ground as opposed to the flat part

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of the club like the sole of the club if you didn't try to sole it if you got the heel

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off the ground toe on the ground you're gonna eliminate fat shots super quick because the

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only thing touching the ground as you come through would be the toe so you kind of like

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got the heel up you're in a putting motion you're really in a putting motion and then

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it's super quiet with your hands there's no wrist hinge it's not like the sand wedge

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or the gap or lob wedge from you know 30 yards yeah yeah it's really dead like dead arms

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you know some of the turns you got your arms in front of you your chest moves a little

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bit to the right you're probably not taking this thing back anywhere close to your knees

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00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200
if that makes sense it's not it's just a small swing it's small part.

436
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Howard Glassman Yeah it's the flying putt I like to call it the flying putt.

437
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,560
David Erickson That's a good term yeah and then on the way

438
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,360
through it's really really similar meeting my arms are standing quiet never tense but

439
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,400
they're just they're just they're straight and basically you're gonna again controlled

440
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,040
acceleration you're gonna keep the acceleration going all the way through you're just gonna

441
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,920
finish below your knee too so it's not it's just the club comes off the ground a little

442
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,440
bit and the thing about it is if you do the nine iron let's just use a let's just use

443
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:27,960
this if I use the nine iron and hit that shot I might hit it 12 yards maybe maybe five carry

444
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,680
and seven roll gotcha perfect 12 yards then I pick up my eight iron I might hit that 22

445
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,520
yards right I might catch another 10 yards of roll now I might instead of carrying it

446
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,520
five yards I might carry it eight yards or 12 yards but I got less loss so it's gonna

447
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:51,040
roll out to somewhere between 18 and 22 yards so my nine iron goes 12 yards my eight iron

448
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,280
goes somewhere between 18 and 22 yards and that seven iron can now go roughly around

449
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:03,280
I'm sorry yeah yards I'm okay with the yards thing maybe it's come down to a little bit

450
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:11,120
of feet type of thing maybe it's let me rephrase that 15 to 20 feet with my iron probably 30

451
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,080
to 35 feet with my eight iron and then my seven iron will be used for that kind of that

452
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,480
50 to 60 foot shot where I've got the pin in the back and I know I just want to let

453
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,640
it get on the green and roll up there and I don't feel comfortable with a 60 foot putt

454
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:33,720
in my head you know I feel better about hitting a seven iron at 60 feet consistently than

455
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,680
I would a putt from 60 feet just me gotcha yeah absolutely the only thing I would say

456
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,120
is that with the the chip that you were talking about there is that I utilize especially on

457
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:50,600
the back pin a little bit I try to put like a little hook spin on it just a little bit

458
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440
that way kind of I always find it especially if it's a you know because most greens are

459
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,560
front to back and it just kind of gives it that little extra kick to get up that hill

460
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,880
so for me I always think of trying to get like a little little hook on those back pin

461
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,560
placements if that makes sense especially on those longer shots so that's just my two

462
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:15,040
cents no it's definitely it's good you know I I know we kind of talked about doing putting

463
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,200
I think we I think we don't even want to talk about putting today it's almost like doing

464
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,960
the driver lesson in the iron lesson I think this is just great kind of information reference

465
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,280
for people you know give them hopefully some different ways to approach the game do you

466
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,000
have any just maybe it's sort of the last note do you have any particular brands or

467
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,160
models do you care what it says at the bottom of the club do you like do you have the same

468
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,720
shafts in your lob wedge in your pitching wedge in your 56 as you do with your full

469
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,000
set of irons maybe a little bit of like help for the for the people out there to kind of

470
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,040
figure out what to purchase yeah yeah I mean what I try to do is is I usually stick with

471
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,800
I've always stick with Cleveland I don't think you go wrong with Cleveland I try to make

472
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:05,680
sure that the the balance is consistent I try to make sure that the weight is consistent

473
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,080
and I always make sure that the length is consistent I'll find people they'll have a

474
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,960
a standard 56 and then they'll have this this 60 degree that's like two three inches shorter

475
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,840
than that and you know when you start messing around with the length that much you start

476
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:27,600
messing with the lie angle and what the bounce is supposed to do so you know I you know those

477
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,200
are some of the things especially if you if you're looking at clubs you want to make sure

478
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,720
you get those things consistent that's what I would say especially if you're buying something

479
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:41,840
new or you used especially yeah I like that so my my chief sense on that is it's got to

480
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,160
look good it's got to look good that's that's my big deal it can't look clunky it can't

481
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:52,040
look fat or big some people need fat or big by the way that's okay right some people need

482
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,200
some forgiveness for these 30 50 yard shots so it's perfectly okay to have something so

483
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:05,080
in the Cleveland world the CBX is kind of the little bigger more forgiving golf club

484
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:12,520
on the wedge side yes then the art the the RT's RTX yeah yeah RTX or something like that

485
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,240
yeah yeah that's like the little more blade we'll call it right the one that's got some

486
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:25,480
more spin to it we'll call it too so I haven't really ever been brand specific I think Callaway

487
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:31,480
makes a great club Callaway also makes a great wedge because Roger Cleveland is making wedges

488
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,240
for Callaway because when he sold Cleveland he had a two-year non-compete with his business

489
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:41,000
so he couldn't make Cleveland wedges anymore so when I take that Cleveland wedge or Callaway

490
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,320
wedges two years and one day after he left I'm like oh my gosh this looks like the Cleveland

491
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:53,600
wedge I used in high school yeah so kind of the look of it is similar and then so I currently

492
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,320
I have the I've got Mizuno wedges I've been playing those for a couple years I've definitely

493
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,920
played around with ping wedges I think to me it's you know Bokeh gets a great name Bokeh

494
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,840
is a great company they always have a tour quite a bit I just never I've never been a

495
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Scotty Cameron I've never been a Bokeh it's just who you kind of grew up with whatever

496
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:23,000
I'm a big Cleveland fan yeah it's a weird one Tim I my grips on my 56 and my 60 are

497
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:29,480
thinner standard size compared to my pitching wedge through five iron my pitching wedge through

498
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:37,800
five iron are mid-size grips I want to feel the shaft with those 56s and 60s okay so I

499
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,600
went to a thinner grip a standard size grip but like I said I'm such a like a handsy feel

500
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Tiger talks about that a ton like you got to be able to kind of because you want to

501
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,880
feel the face so I also the reason why I have a mid-size grip on my eight iron versus a

502
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:59,760
standard grip only 60 I'm not trying to swing 60 at full speed correct so I don't need the

503
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:06,840
bigger mass of the grip to allow me to you know I want to have that that contact ball

504
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:14,200
face contact feel so that's why I went for that I tried to maybe match up shafts with

505
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:21,400
iron shafts like the lob wedge of 56 would kind of match my iron set but again same thing

506
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:27,720
my speed on 60 is not as fast as on my eight iron so if my eight iron shaft is 115 grams

507
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:34,960
I might have 105 gram shaft in my in my lob wedge personal purpose right gotcha yeah I

508
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,560
kind of sway the other way a little bit I think my I think my irons are about 105 and

509
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,120
I think I've got my wedges at about 110 or 115 so I always thought my wedge is heavier

510
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:51,480
yeah for me so you know and I think you know it just comes down to what you said you know

511
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,760
it comes down to feel you know when you get down to those shots you're not swinging a

512
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:02,040
club at 120 miles an hour you're swinging it at you know 40 50 miles an hour it's a

513
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,760
touch shot and I want to feel everything I can with my hands and you know the palms and

514
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,520
fingers and whatever you know sensory things that we're using for that shot this is the

515
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,680
last stupid one I'll give to you and my listeners here our listeners here is just that I ordered

516
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:23,080
my 56 the last three years I've ordered my 56 in blue for the Mizuno okay so they came

517
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,560
with this cool blue satin type of thing and then I've got my I've got my gap lead or my

518
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:34,400
lob wedge my 60 currently now it's in copper it was in chrome before so the colors are

519
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:40,560
different so I know when I'm going into my bag I know which club it is by the color gotcha

520
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,360
you know whatever it's kind of cool the Denim is kind of cool and sexy and fun and I like

521
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:50,280
that denim copper thing on my 60 I like the blue I just didn't like the chrome sometimes

522
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,000
it's some glare type of stuff on some of the chrome stuff so you know some of the raw finishes

523
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,640
have been nice over in the past sometimes they have that black finish on the cleave

524
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,600
and it's just again to me it's just like hey we're lucky enough to be in this business

525
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,180
we can kind of get a little more than the average bear we get it yeah but but also there's

526
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:13,120
a method behind the madness I got two different colored wedges because I don't want to look

527
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,160
anymore with the numbers absolutely but the other thing is I think you bring up a great

528
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,080
point if I don't look down and enjoy what I'm looking at or swinging I'm not going to

529
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,840
have much confidence in it and at that point I need to have all the confidence I need because

530
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,320
that's probably going to be the shot that either makes or break if I'm going to make

531
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,800
par or not you know what I mean so you better enjoy what you're looking at right there for

532
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,760
sure because it's going to give you the added bonus of confidence oh my gosh so to recap

533
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,600
it's going to be get good you know have good have good mechanics yes right if you don't

534
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,920
know what good mechanics are go see your local PGA pro like Tim Nakavina like Sean Fox whoever

535
00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:03,480
that is yes find you know find what is working for you and then go practice the crap out

536
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:15,320
of it go practice as much as you can and repetitive and consistently put some artistry into that

537
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,440
yeah get some you know and play some games too I think you got to have some games too

538
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,040
right I mean you you know play some games or if you can find a buddy to play with you

539
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,760
your your short game is going to you know drop significantly if you've got somebody

540
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,480
to practice with but you know try to make a game out of it because just hitting balls

541
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,720
and getting bored you're going to you're going to be like you know you'll see the first end

542
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,920
of the result and you're like oh I've got this and then it's going to go very quickly

543
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,040
so throw in some games have some fun if you can get a partner that's even better but you

544
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,000
know make sure you try to make it enjoyable throw in the iPhone you know the iPad or the

545
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,240
you know the earphones and listen to the podcast that would be great we'll help you out while

546
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:01,240
you're listening but yeah you know I think that's part of it too right there that's good

547
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,240
stuff that's good stuff so I think you know in the future ones T Mac I think our best

548
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:10,200
option will be let's do putting in as a separate entity because we can talk about putting for

549
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,920
what pelts per a thousand page book on putting right I mean is we can talk about putting

550
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:21,080
for you know hours so we go green reading lag putting short putts you know you know

551
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,280
we could even go with the Jordan Spieth look at the whole kind of putt I mean it can get

552
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,200
outrageous so maybe we'll jump into that on the next episode that would be great and then I think

553
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,240
I think bunker play needs its own too because I think bunker play almost sometimes like in our

554
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,800
lessons they're like you know you know I need help my driver but I also can't hit out of bunkers

555
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,000
and it just gets thrown in as like a little 10-minute window where where I think if people

556
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,520
understood sort of the the fundamentals we'll call it of bunker play yeah I feel like it could

557
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,560
really help them even through a podcast even through a because it's just again sort of a lot

558
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,920
of misnomers on what you said at the beginning team that just helping let me help the ball get

559
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,920
up in the air no no that's not how we do it yeah you know understand the angle of attack right

560
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:14,520
yep yep absolutely great great session then always fun talking in look forward to talking to some

561
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:21,320
guests coming up we got some good guests coming up here in the future yeah we'll keep going at it

562
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,280
sounds great sounds great we want to welcome or thank everybody for listening Sean it's been

563
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,640
absolutely fabulous love the short game session hopefully we'll help some people and we'll

564
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,200
hopefully get the one on putting coming on out in bunker play here real soon

565
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:49,080
okay man all right we'll talk to you guys later all right thank you and have a great day