1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf. 2 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,000 Welcome back Dynamic Golf listeners. 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,600 I'm your co-host Tim McElveen and with us today is Sean Clots. 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,400 Sean, tell us about a great conversation that we had with Pat Lane today. 5 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Hey Tim Mc and hey listeners. 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,240 This one was fun Tim Mc. 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,720 This was one of our kind of good gets we'll call it. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,480 Pretty exciting to get Pat Lane. 9 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:42,560 She's a superintendent at Oakley Country Club. 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,120 He's been up here in Watertown, Mass. 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 14 years as a superintendent. 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,800 I think for our listeners Tim Mc, I think the best thing about this one is there's so 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:58,000 much insight into kind of the behind the scenes part of what Pat does on a daily basis. 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,920 Kind of how he runs his staff, how he runs the facility, the interaction he has with 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,000 the head pro Scott Johnson. 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,640 His boss is the Greens superintendent or the Greens committee chairperson sorry and that's 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,120 typically a member at Oakley. 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,640 An unpaid position but people that just have passion for Oakley and the golf course and 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,080 I think the thing that the listener is going to get is basically how much passion you have 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,840 to have to do Pat's job to be a superintendent. 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,760 We've seen it with people that we've worked with Tim Mc at our different facilities in 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Tampa. 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,120 You've worked with some good people. 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,600 You actually started kind of in the superintendent world didn't you or kind of the grounds crew 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,600 world? 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,360 Yeah as a young man my father encouraged me to get into the agronomy side of the game 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,520 of golf. 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,480 Being that baby boomers were going to be coming around he thought that maybe me being a superintendent 29 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,640 or a groundskeeper would be a very good way for me to make a living since I was a person 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,160 that liked being outdoors. 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,720 And I just found that in the end I kind of liked being indoors and being on the other 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,200 side so it was kind of interesting to see how Pat went from wanting to be on the inside 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,280 you know thinking you'd be in the pro shop to being outside and it's just amazing how 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:19,120 this game of golf can transverse the way that you look at things and give you a great career 35 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,640 in many different ways. 36 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:24,920 It's so cool there's so many different opportunities in the game. 37 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,320 I think some of the things that we learned about Pat that I didn't even know because 38 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,920 that was like the first time I really sat down and talked to him in the three months 39 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:33,640 I've been up here because we do different jobs. 40 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:38,480 I'm inside in the pro shop I brought a tournament it's helping out teaching and he's out there 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,720 outside making the product that we have to sell or to give to our members type of thing. 42 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,240 He's making that daily on a daily basis and as good as he can. 43 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,660 So he's got resources which is great Oakley does give him resources that's always a good 44 00:02:53,660 --> 00:02:59,000 part of a superintendent to be able to have the tools the resources the staff to be able 45 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,640 to execute what he's trying to do. 46 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:06,580 So and he came from you know it's funny TMAC as I think back now over the first three months 47 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:11,040 of being up here at Oakley I get this question a lot when I first when I first got here was 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,320 hey Sean really nice to meet you. 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,240 Where are you coming from? 50 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,200 You know where are you coming from? 51 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,240 And I keep saying to people I'm coming from Tampa I've been a head pro and superintendent 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,740 at different golf courses but honestly what they're kind of looking for is like what golf 53 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:27,960 course did you come from? 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,360 What facility did you come from? 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Because this is such an established and elite place that a lot of these a lot of this ex 56 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,860 you know assistant pros and ex even maybe even superintendents like they came from lineage. 57 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:49,520 So Pat's lineage is pretty pretty established like he started he came from Redtail which 58 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,120 is a fantastic golf course out in the western part of the Massachusetts area. 59 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,120 I believe they held the US public links maybe qualifier or they might have held the entire 60 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,280 thing there. 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,680 So he came from there kind of directly but he's also worked at Taconic which is another 62 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:11,040 again another great golf course in the western part of the state and even back in 98 he was 63 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,560 telling us he worked at the country club right that's Brooklyn mass. 64 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,840 Yeah where they just hosted the US Open a couple years ago. 65 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:24,200 US Open the Ryder Cup is what he was there for that's back in like 98. 66 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:30,200 So he saw that whole prep he was there for about a year prior to the Ryder Cup. 67 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:36,120 So he was able to kind of witness the prep for that type of event and that was just a 68 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,560 great thing for him to be able to kind of see and then have that experience bring it 69 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,160 to what he does on a daily basis over here at Oakley. 70 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:50,160 So I think that's one of the coolest things he went to UMass, UMass agronomy side. 71 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:56,480 Great school and the thing that the other thing that kind of hit both of us as we talked 72 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:02,160 about this after T-NAC you and I the number of people that are some of the kids that are 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,680 applying has really dwindled to the agronomy side. 74 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,800 Yeah I was very shocked in the numbers of when he started it was in the hundreds and 75 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,200 now it's just a handful of kids. 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,120 Like in the tens or something right he said tens or fifteens or twenties. 77 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,840 I wanted to say there's almost seven or under ten or something like that but you know the 78 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:26,400 number whatever it is it's very small and you know the big part is if we don't you 79 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:31,640 know get those people out there and you know enjoying this job and not making them slaves 80 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:36,600 of the job and getting these people we're not going to have a product anymore. 81 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,080 You know we've got to have leaders in that industry we've got to have people that want 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,920 to do be superintendents and we've got to make sure that we highlight those people and 83 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:51,000 make them sure that they feel welcomed and you know committed to what they're doing. 84 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Absolutely absolutely. 85 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Hey you know what I think we've talked enough T-MAC let's let our listeners have their 86 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,880 insight and just into a great conversation with Pat Land and Oakley Country Club. 87 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,040 Hope you guys enjoy this and we'll see you on the next one. 88 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Thank you so much. 89 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,880 With hey there's upcoming tournaments coming up right. 90 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,360 That relationship I've always been lucky to work with good superintendents too. 91 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Definitely not the level that you guys are at currently as far as the budgets we'll call 92 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,400 it and also the membership but just talk on that a little because he's been here for 24 93 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,400 years. 94 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,320 I mean which is just T-MAC that just shows you what Oakley is by the way right. 95 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,480 These two guys have been around for this long how good this facility is. 96 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:37,000 I can probably count on one hand in 13 years here where I've had a disagreement with Scott 97 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:43,120 and it wasn't even with Scott it was with one of his former assistants and it was it 98 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,000 was actually probably more of a misunderstanding. 99 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,680 I mean it as far as I'm concerned if Scott asks me to do something we're going to do 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,080 it no matter what because if I ever ask him to do something he does it and that's a give 101 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,960 and take that maybe a lot of pros and supers don't have which is sad because I mean let's 102 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,920 face it this if you're not a team forget it and you can't you I have worked at clubs before 103 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,120 where the superintendent didn't like the pro and the pro didn't like it and I just don't 104 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,120 get that. 105 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,640 I mean we're all here for the same reason to make this golf course really really good 106 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,120 so that the members are happy. 107 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,520 They're paying our salaries so whatever they want we're trying to give to them. 108 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,880 So if the pro and the super and the GM or the clubhouse manager aren't on the same page 109 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,600 there's going to be problems. 110 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:34,560 Me and Scott have been yeah I mean he's a golfer I'm a player too. 111 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,200 We've won the pro super together. 112 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:42,160 We probably should have won it several other times but I probably choked it away. 113 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,140 We have we play golf at times during during season whenever we can. 114 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:48,540 We both are sports fans. 115 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:49,620 We just we just get a lot. 116 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:52,120 We hit it off right away and it's been that way ever since. 117 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,720 I don't want him to write he's telling me he's going to retire maybe four or five years 118 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,720 right here. 119 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,080 I love him to stay for 15 more. 120 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,560 I'm afraid what the next guy's gonna be like maybe it's you I don't know. 121 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,920 We have a great dynamic here. 122 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:11,440 He's he unfortunately he doesn't text message as well as I do because he's about 10 years 123 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,120 older than me hasn't gotten into that yet. 124 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Other than that we communicate great and it's been great since ever since I've been here. 125 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,000 Do you carry your phone? 126 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,400 I carry my phone okay all times. 127 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 It's funny because Scott doesn't know he doesn't. 128 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,340 It's one of those things again team that you would understand this like if you carried 129 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:32,840 your phone all day remember you're given lessons for six hours a day right. 130 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Oh yeah. 131 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,480 You can't you just can't because you have to write a person in front of you right and 132 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,040 from the customer side member side you know they'll build their relationship with the 133 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,040 people in front of you. 134 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,240 You can't be looking at the phone so he does it at the end of the day type of stuff but 135 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,000 I understand what I'm probably good. 136 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Well on a superintendent level you don't want to be talking on the phone when you're on 137 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,520 a golf course because members will see that and they're like who's he doing and you're 138 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,520 trying to talk low and it's just a bad look. 139 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,000 So if someone calls me I almost always throw out the voicemail and then shoot him a text 140 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,600 right away and that's where Scott's like answer the damn phone. 141 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,440 And he's right I should answer it more but a lot of times I am on the golf course. 142 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,000 But it is a little different like you guys don't even have your phones that's how I communicate 143 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,400 with my assistants because we can't do we hit we had the radios here and we have a lot 144 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,520 of problems with interference from the airport with our irrigation system. 145 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,440 So I just went strictly to cell phones it just makes it a lot easier because everybody 146 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,440 texts. 147 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,440 Yeah that's great. 148 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,760 Hey Mac you got some questions I got more but. 149 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,040 Yeah you know I was wondering what are some rewarding aspects that you've been you know 150 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,280 at the golf course what are some some rewarding things that you've seen as being a superintendent 151 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,160 there especially with the members and all that. 152 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,960 What have you had to experience there? 153 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Projects you've been able to accomplish type of stuff. 154 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:56,120 Yeah I always look at it I don't I don't look at success until August 15th every year. 155 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:03,560 So if you get past August 15th and that date might actually be expanding now because it 156 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:06,040 does stay a little warmer throughout the summers. 157 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,720 But I always looked at it if you didn't lose any turf if you don't have a problem with 158 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:17,320 the green if things were looking decent by August 15th then you can take a sigh of relief 159 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,600 and appreciate the product you are giving to this membership. 160 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,920 So even though I do take a ton of pride in how this place looks on weekends and how this 161 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,100 place looks for events and tournaments there's always the what if aspect of this job because 162 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:35,100 of the environment. 163 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:38,440 You can't control what the weather is going to do you don't know if it's going to rain 164 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,280 you don't know if it's going to be 95 and humid you don't know what's going to happen. 165 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,040 So it's kind of hard to look at it in June and say oh man this place is awesome because 166 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,960 in two weeks it might be different and that's a fact you know you just do not know. 167 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:57,880 If you sit back and you know put your arms behind your head and say I did it in June 168 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,520 that's when problems happen. 169 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:07,420 So usually at the end of August is when I will say another great job another great year 170 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:13,080 and then I sit back and I reward myself by playing more golf because that's what I love 171 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,080 to do. 172 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,560 I you know you guys as golf professionals and me as a superintendent what's the one thing 173 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,140 you love to do play golf what's the one thing you never do play golf. 174 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:24,920 So we're in the worst possible business. 175 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:25,920 The game got us here. 176 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:26,920 We should have got into finance or insurance. 177 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:27,920 We should have got into finance or insurance. 178 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Exactly because all my buddies were in finance playing way more golf than me. 179 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:42,280 Tim when I was going to talk about basically how many how many staff do you have. 180 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,840 How many staff do you have. 181 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,080 How many do you kind of keep it revolving. 182 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,960 Has it changed seasonally a little bit during the winter versus summer. 183 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,360 It changes seasonally. 184 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Sometimes we have so we have eight full-time guys. 185 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,880 That yep that's all year and that and that has increased. 186 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,480 I've explained to my committees and the board. 187 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Listen if you want solid help you need to offer them full time. 188 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,320 So we've gone from four to five when I first started up to eight. 189 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,440 They stay year-round winter help with the following and yes some people can look at 190 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,840 and say well it's kind of a waste of money. 191 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,740 There's not a lot of stuff to do in the winter. 192 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:24,720 It is but it pays off all year long when you have a solid core guys. 193 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,480 We can be and girl that's right and Aaron. 194 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,280 We have Aaron now. 195 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,320 Unusual but yes I can't forget that. 196 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:38,120 We have seasonal staff which brings us up to about 20 in the summer and that's good 197 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,360 for us and that will vary some guys leave some guys come back. 198 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,040 I've got a solid crew of guys that come up from Rhode Island and New Bedford and they've 199 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,000 been coming up here since I started. 200 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,800 There's golf courses all over the place from here to there but they like coming here and 201 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,760 we like having that because they are as reliable as it gets. 202 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,520 They know the golf course. 203 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,560 We've trained them throughout the years. 204 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,840 None of them knows what a seven iron is but they actually understand the game a little 205 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,840 bit now. 206 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:15,800 So we've been lucky at that aspect to keep the staff that we've had for the most part 207 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,840 in tact over my full 13 years here. 208 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:20,840 That's important right there. 209 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,480 That's vital right there to have a good crew. 210 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,480 You're only as good as your crew. 211 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,000 That's a fact. 212 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,200 Let me ask you Pat, in your opinion what role does the golf course play in creating a welcoming 213 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,480 and inclusive environment for all golfers there at Oakley Country Club? 214 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Welcoming and inclusive? 215 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,480 Stressful right there. 216 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,480 Stressful. 217 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,480 Well, ask it again. 218 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,480 Did you say for new golfers? 219 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,640 No, no. 220 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,780 What does the course do to kind of include people, the environment? 221 00:13:56,780 --> 00:13:59,160 How does it make it welcoming? 222 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:04,600 How do you see Oakley make it very welcoming to its members and the environment? 223 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,840 You make it harder during tournaments? 224 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,200 Do you make it easier on certain days? 225 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,960 It's conditioned really well. 226 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,160 That's because of the finances we're given to do it. 227 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:25,080 Golfers that come here immediately are rewarded with really smooth greens, really fast greens, 228 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,300 raked bunkers. 229 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:30,760 Everything else is pretty much kept detail-wise in check. 230 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Golfers that come out here have a positive experience that way. 231 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,360 Where it might get negative is the rough can get a little thick, the greens can get sometimes 232 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,560 too fast. 233 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,880 But I feel like that just makes golf a little more challenging for them and it makes people 234 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,880 want to come back as well. 235 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Oakley's not a very difficult golf course. 236 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,080 It's only 6,000 yards long. 237 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:00,360 So if you're not putting it on 12, and if you don't have the rough a little thick around 238 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,280 the greens, guys will come out here like Scott Johnson and shoot 62. 239 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,280 We don't want that. 240 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,680 We want guys to be around 71 if we can. 241 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,920 But I think it's the only condition. 242 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,320 It's only guarded the golf course. 243 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,880 So that's the defense, right? 244 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,680 That's the only defense. 245 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,240 So if we had greens 10 and we cut the rough at two inches, the course would be simple. 246 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,240 But it's not. 247 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,240 It's difficult. 248 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,080 We try to make people think, hey, if you get above the hole, you might be in trouble here. 249 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,480 And that is the case. 250 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,240 But as far as I think people enjoy coming to Oakley because it is very playable. 251 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,360 I think it's a fun layout. 252 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,360 I enjoy it. 253 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:34,440 I played it a million times. 254 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,440 I hope I played a million. 255 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Yeah. 256 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,720 So it's such a good Ross design. 257 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,040 We talked about that before. 258 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,040 He's here. 259 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,920 He has some of the signature stuff, even though it was only his first design, Donald Ross. 260 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,840 But he's just got some signature, don't want to go long on greens. 261 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 He didn't have a, how many acres is it? 262 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Like 90? 263 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,040 Places, 96. 264 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,040 It's small. 265 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,040 That's a tiny little. 266 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Wow. 267 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,880 I think about Silverado being like 118 and Jovita is probably what? 268 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Almost 250 because it's got two courses. 269 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,680 Yeah, it's got two courses. 270 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:14,480 It kind of reminds me of the one in Rhode Island, Juan Amoy. 271 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,880 The fences are at the back of the tee and at the back of the green. 272 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,880 And then you see the roads. 273 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:20,880 That's kind of how Oakley is. 274 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,880 We have nowhere to go. 275 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,200 We can't make it any real, really make it any harder. 276 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:31,520 But Ross, I mean, it really is a cool design, but it is, I mean, technology is. 277 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,120 We haven't gotten up there yet, team. 278 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,040 Actually, you know, it's, it's a 330 yard hole number eight, let's call it. 279 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,920 We're 35, but you got to be in the fairway, like, you know, like left and right or not. 280 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,840 It's just, it brings bogey into place. 281 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,040 So, and I can tell you six bar fours that are like that idea. 282 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,040 They could be 350 yards or shorter, but the approach has to be done with a club. 283 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,560 We were thinking about number 18 yesterday. 284 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,560 Yep. 285 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,320 You know, that's one of our more challenging periods. 286 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Yeah, it is a huge left to right slope. 287 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:09,280 And if, if some of our older players are hitting 140, 150 yards in that hole, that's a hard 288 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,440 thing to keep on the golf court. 289 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,320 But yeah, you really can't stop it. 290 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,320 No, you can't. 291 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,600 I mean, unless you're coming in with a wedge and even with a wedge, it's still difficult 292 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,800 to stop the ball from going with that right friend. 293 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,320 And, you know, if you happen to be playing a cut, it's probably going to miss the green 294 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,600 and go down the hill. 295 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,760 So that's, that's the defense of the golf course. 296 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,480 And we have to keep it that way. 297 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Oh, yeah. 298 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,160 What, what, what other projects do you have like a new feature in your head? 299 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,160 Like, I know it's kind of based on Mr. Kelly and Bob, you know, Mike Kelly is your green 300 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,160 sushi guy. 301 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,160 He is, he's my boss right now. 302 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,160 Talk to us a little about that relationship too. 303 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,600 Like how do you guys kind of work together? 304 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:46,600 Mr. Kelly's great. 305 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,360 But you know, I think I should say something about all of them. 306 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:54,040 Mike Batista and David Kansian. 307 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,160 Mr. Batista was the president when I came in and he was, so he was the president when 308 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,920 I was hired. 309 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,840 He did everything I asked and he was as good as it gets. 310 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:13,880 And Doc Kansian was my chairman for probably, I want to say seven or eight years. 311 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,320 It was kind of unconventional, but I think everybody really loved the place. 312 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,380 So they kind of let, let the situation lie. 313 00:18:20,380 --> 00:18:24,640 And then he moved on, but Doc, Doc still friend, still friends with him to this day. 314 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,200 I've gone down to Florida with him. 315 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,920 He was essential in my success here. 316 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:31,920 I needed it. 317 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,920 And he said, what do you need? 318 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,920 We're going to get it for you. 319 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,920 And they got it for him. 320 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:45,080 And then after that, I had Dean Orfanos, who was, nobody works harder than Dean in terms 321 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,400 of what he wanted to do for this golf course. 322 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,800 He was a, he had notebooks full of stuff he wanted to do. 323 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,280 He was super organized, great guy. 324 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:59,000 When he left, I had Mick Fandetti and Mr. Fandetti, as far as the landscaping aspect 325 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,520 of this job, he has a degree in landscape architecture. 326 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,520 He was awesome. 327 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,400 And that, and then I turned into Mr. Kelly, who has also been great. 328 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,000 And Mr. Kelly doesn't have any background in golf. 329 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,160 So he's learning from me. 330 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,400 I learned from him on the numbers aspect is he was an insurance guy forever. 331 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,920 So he's on me on the budgets, but we have a good dynamic as well. 332 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,400 I've never had a bad boss. 333 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,400 I've had support. 334 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,400 I've had support. 335 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,400 Yeah. 336 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,840 I mean, whether it's the individual owner, like you had before. 337 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,600 I had, I had, yeah. 338 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Individual owner, right there with five of them and coming from them to here was a little 339 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:40,840 bit different, but as, but funny as it be, my dad was the greens chairman when I was 340 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,840 a kid at Wacona Country Club. 341 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,840 Who would have ever known that I'd be a golf course superintendent? 342 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Wow. 343 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Good stuff. 344 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,400 So, um, what else do the members do to help you, Pat? 345 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,200 I mean, are there any other, you know, people out there that kind of help members? 346 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,280 What else they kind of help you with? 347 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,600 Well, they do, uh, every once in a while we do this thing called divot day where members 348 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,600 come out. 349 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:11,360 They, they, they volunteer their time to fill every divot on the golf course, six ball marks. 350 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:16,600 We have members that volunteer their time to be on the grounds committee and the golf 351 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,500 committee and various other committees. 352 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:19,840 They don't get paid a dime. 353 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,400 They do this on their own and it's just for simply for their love and pride of this golf 354 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,020 course. 355 00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:35,320 We also have certain members that are experts in other fields that might lend their time 356 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,760 when it calls for a quick example. 357 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,960 Joe DiSifano, construction guy, he's got a ton of experience with things like that and 358 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,800 landscaping that goes with it. 359 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,160 He, he spearheaded that little project we did in between the ninth tee and the eighth 360 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,400 grand and he did that all on his own. 361 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,920 I mean, we, I didn't ask him anything. 362 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,960 He did it and then he just coordinated with me and we have tons of members who do things 363 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,960 like that. 364 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,560 I, I, they don't come to town right now, but Oakley is a very, very positive membership 365 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,960 and they definitely love their golf course. 366 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,960 Wow. 367 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,680 That's, that's great support right there. 368 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,680 Yep. 369 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,680 It is. 370 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,680 We have, we have tremendous support here. 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,040 I think we have a waiting list. 372 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:23,680 I think there's a ton of people that want to join here and I think that's because of 373 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,680 it. 374 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,360 There's a lot of members that enjoy being here, whether it's a social member at the 375 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,640 pool or whether they want to play, you know, golf five times a week. 376 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,360 I think we have a really good club here, a cool club. 377 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:39,960 I mean, just, just from a gentleman that's down here in Florida, I mean, you know, I 378 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,840 hear that, you know, Scott Johnson, how well he's running things. 379 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,920 I hear how well you run things like there. 380 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,840 I mean, I'm just excited to get up there and see the course itself. 381 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,040 So I'm sure it's just a first rate facility that I'm just super excited to get up there 382 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,040 and see real soon. 383 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,040 I think you'll enjoy it. 384 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:01,480 Well, I'll go out and I mean, you will shoot 80 and Scott and Pat will shoot 74. 385 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,600 So Scott had four, Scott has four course records. 386 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,040 I just want to say I did hold the course record once. 387 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,200 Oh, now I'll tell you why. 388 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:18,640 The ranch club opened in Southwick, Massachusetts and I want to say it was early 2000s and I 389 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,480 played it on the very first day. 390 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:26,440 I shot 76 and nobody had shot 76 the next day somebody shot 70, but I did hold the course 391 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,440 record for one day. 392 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,440 There you go. 393 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Scott, in your face, buddy. 394 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,440 There you go. 395 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,440 Love it. 396 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:37,000 So, um, before we leave, I definitely got to hear about the owl story. 397 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,680 If we've got some time here. 398 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,680 Okay. 399 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,680 Yeah. 400 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,240 I've heard about this and I'd love to hear it from you, Pat. 401 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,920 We March 20th. 402 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:51,920 So Sean just said for a couple of days, we had this little guy we thought was a baby 403 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:58,960 hawk and he was walking around and clearly he was lost and a couple of Scott had tried 404 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,680 to Scott built a little box and brought him up here because we were afraid he was going 405 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,200 to get eaten by something and then we'd bring him down during the day and hope the mom would 406 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,880 would take him. 407 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,320 My crew was down raking around the pine tree down there and they had looked up and saw 408 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:21,120 a nest with a mom, a mother owl looking down looking for her baby. 409 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:25,040 And so they came so we we quickly realized it wasn't a hawk. 410 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,480 It was a baby owl. 411 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,760 So Scott had had it in a little box with some blankets and he was feeding the thing. 412 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,880 We brought it back down there. 413 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,200 My guys threw a couple of ropes up in the tree. 414 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,320 They they we use Scott's box. 415 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,200 They created a little pulley system. 416 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,200 One of them climbed the tree. 417 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,120 I still don't know how he did it because I was in the office the whole time this happened. 418 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,800 I take no credit for this. 419 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,040 This was Lisa and Jose my my poor Teal brothers. 420 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,960 They they pulled this little guy up. 421 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Jose climbed onto the branch and I'm sure he was scared that the mother was going to 422 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,280 attack him. 423 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,000 Mother owls do not mess around. 424 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,160 She stayed away and he pulled the little guy right out of the box, placed him in the nest, 425 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,080 and we got down. 426 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,880 We cleared out of there and that owl survived. 427 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,120 We watched it for the next couple of weeks. 428 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,120 She was feeding them rabbits. 429 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,800 She was feeding them whatever she could. 430 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,080 You know owls are savages. 431 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,160 They just eat whatever they want. 432 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,280 And we watched that owl turn brown, you know, from that white color to brown. 433 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,280 And then she flew away. 434 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,280 So she survived. 435 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,760 We saved an owl here. 436 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,760 Wow. 437 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,760 That's amazing. 438 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,800 That's going above and beyond, especially for the grounds crew. 439 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,800 That's great. 440 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Yeah, that's great. 441 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,800 They love their animals. 442 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,800 So we are environmentally friendly. 443 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Believe it or not. 444 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,160 I know people want to think, oh, you do a spray and then we actually try to take care of the 445 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,160 animals around. 446 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,160 That's great. 447 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,480 That was my first day literally coming up to see Scott on March 20th. 448 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,920 It was a Thursday and some members called in because they were playing. 449 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 It was probably 45 and rainy that day. 450 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,000 Like it wasn't pretty yet. 451 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,880 But they they just said, you know, hey, there's a hawk or a bird down there. 452 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,280 And we went down and got it and then like you like, Pat said, we we put it in this box 453 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,280 and we didn't know what to do with it. 454 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Me and Scott knows another member here, too. 455 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,480 I don't know if it was Mr. Folenauer. 456 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,800 There was some other member here as well. 457 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,800 But we were talking about Scott got the kind of typical from Massachusetts got the lady 458 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,040 from like Tufts University. 459 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,000 The Audubon Society lady came over and gave us all the instructions on how to take care 460 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,160 of the next day. 461 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:35,720 And then then then we see the video that that Pat's staff and saved it and cleared up on. 462 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,400 And it's just an amazing kind of funny that, you know, one of those under under told stories 463 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,560 that people need to hear because it's they do such a great job throughout the entire 464 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:53,200 year, but just kind of a good way to show the dedication of all the staff of what happens 465 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,200 up here at Oakley. 466 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200 So definitely going above and beyond. 467 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,520 Yeah. 468 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,680 So again, TMAC, another another guest we could have on for another two hours talking about 469 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,680 agronomy and we didn't even get to like why you do certain things when you do. 470 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,680 Maybe we'll do another one in the future. 471 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,680 Sure. 472 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,440 I'm sort of like, you know, I'm really interested in sort of the seasonality of what you do 473 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,600 compared to compared to Florida. 474 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,600 One of the things I was thinking was in Florida, we know what the weather is going to be. 475 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,480 You know, we know right. 476 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,840 TMAC from basically from April to October, we know it's going to rain at four o'clock 477 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,020 in the afternoon every day. 478 00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:29,920 So there's some negatives and positives to that. 479 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,760 But then that winter season is usually pretty temperate. 480 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,480 But so, you know, the argument down there is do you air five, six times a year? 481 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,640 Do you air five, three times a year, two times a year? 482 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,640 What's the number? 483 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,120 And we didn't really, you know, didn't really get into that with you. 484 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,760 But just bottom line is you guys just do an amazing job every day. 485 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,840 And you can tell that your leadership from your staff perspective, the respect you have 486 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280 from the members that I want to know from the people who come in the pro shop every 487 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,360 day. 488 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,460 I would say the speed of the greens is never a negative thing. 489 00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:09,640 It's only they think it's cool that they get to play a golf course that has basically tour 490 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960 like, you know, speed. 491 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840 And that's that's such a good anyway. 492 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,120 So that's that's my stuff. 493 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,320 TMAC, you have anything else? 494 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,320 No, that's great, Pat. 495 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080 I certainly appreciate it. 496 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:26,120 You know, being a guy that came up through the maintenance crew, I definitely I feel 497 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,720 you I know I know it's not an easy job. 498 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,200 And sometimes it's, you know, it's kind of tough. 499 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,440 You get beat up a little bit. 500 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,040 But what you guys do is amazing. 501 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,580 And what you guys do, we don't have a product. 502 00:27:39,580 --> 00:27:41,320 We don't have a job without you guys. 503 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,720 So you guys are what makes this industry move forward. 504 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,800 So thank you, Pat. 505 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,800 Thank you. 506 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,720 I understand that, but let's face it, without the game of golf, we don't have a job. 507 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720 So it's a little it is. 508 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,720 It is. 509 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600 I understand what you're saying, but we both play pretty big roles. 510 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,600 Yeah. 511 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,480 Well, you know, we got another another humble one with us here. 512 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,080 So good, though. 513 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,880 So but, you know, just want to say thank you, listeners. 514 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,880 Thank you for listening. 515 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,880 Thank you, Pat, for joining us. 516 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,160 We certainly appreciate it. 517 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,400 We hope to have you on again. 518 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,600 And love to hear more about the seasonality about what you kind of do over there on the 519 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,640 agronomy side to take care of that course throughout the season. 520 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:21,640 And we'll get into that later. 521 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,640 OK, team, I got one last question. 522 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,640 Yeah. 523 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,920 This isn't this isn't just an Oakley question. 524 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,080 It's probably a superintendent general question. 525 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,080 Yeah. 526 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,720 What can the golfer do, Pat, on a daily basis? 527 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,960 What could they do to make this like make your job easier but continue to keep the golf 528 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,480 course well in great conditions? 529 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,160 My simple ones would be fixing divots, repairing sand, like bunkers, like just in a broad broad 530 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,480 stroke, like what's the things that you would hope the players would do a little more often 531 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,440 so without getting personal to two things, understanding the difference between replacing 532 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,720 a divot and knowing when to replace the divot versus using the sand that we give you. 533 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,080 So you prefer them in Massachusetts versus Florida. 534 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,080 You prefer them to take the dirt that the turf and bring it back. 535 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,960 If you see a couple of roots coming out of the bottom of it and it has soil on it, stick 536 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,920 that baby back on the ground. 537 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,840 If it's kind of pieces and it's not really that thick, put the sand in there. 538 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,200 And the second thing is keep the golf carts in the fairways. 539 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,200 Okay. 540 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,200 All right. 541 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,000 Because people the 90 degree rule is not a thing here. 542 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,520 When you have 10, 15 yards of rough and you have everybody driving in the rough, that 543 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,280 rough is going to die. 544 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,800 But fairways, if everybody just kind of if you just kind of let them get onto the fairway, 545 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,320 everyone will go wherever their ball is and that what that will do is make people drive 546 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600 in different spots and then you won't see hard damage. 547 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,200 The most damaged golf courses believe it or not have is from maintenance, vehicles, mowers, 548 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,200 it's from us. 549 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Okay. 550 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,240 But the wear problems from golf carts is probably the second biggest. 551 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,680 But if everybody knew how to replace a divot a little bit better, ball marks are ball marks. 552 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,480 People just sometimes they just don't get it. 553 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,480 They're going to miss them. 554 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,880 We we were playing some. 555 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,160 It's not a big problem. 556 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,840 The problem is divots, especially when you have small teams like we have. 557 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,840 Yeah. 558 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,160 And and keeping car traffic all over the place versus in the same spot every single day. 559 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,040 Do you want the player to read to sand in the rough, meaning like when they hit a divot 560 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,040 from the rough? 561 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,040 Would you? 562 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,040 That's what I would. 563 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,280 I would always put fairway divot, sand it if it blows to pieces. 564 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Rough divot. 565 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,280 Just put it back. 566 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:37,280 No matter what. 567 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,280 Yeah. 568 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280 It's different. 569 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,280 It's different agronomy. 570 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,820 It's not going to creep over in the rough. 571 00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:45,880 But chances that a ball lands in there are, you know, if your ball lands on an old crappy 572 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,440 divot that's been replaced, you'll be able to have a decent job. 573 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,680 I've heard that from Jeff Sweet down there at Silverado a lot, too, team, not great. 574 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,680 Oh, yeah. 575 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,680 You know, in the rough. 576 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,040 And it's just funny because players are trying to do the right thing. 577 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,280 So they put sand down in the rough and it actually makes it harder to grow. 578 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,760 Like Patrick said, different graphs. 579 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760 Yeah. 580 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,760 Different consistency. 581 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,760 Keep it on fairways, tees. 582 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,760 That's it. 583 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,760 Yeah. 584 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,760 All right. 585 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,160 So, he's already passed his time. 586 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760 So Dynamic Golf listeners, really appreciate you guys listening. 587 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,320 Hope you had a good time and we will see you on next episode. 588 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,320 Thank you, guys. 589 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,320 Have a good one. 590 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,320 Thanks, Pat. 591 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Bye. 592 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,320 Hey, guys. 593 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Thanks, T-Max. 594 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,320 You're welcome. 595 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320 All right. 596 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,320 So. 597 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,320 He's going to be famous in a week. 598 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,320 I know. 599 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:28,320 All right. 600 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Thanks, T-Max. 601 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Thank you. 602 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,320 Thank you, Pat. 603 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,320 Appreciate it. 604 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,320 Yeah. 605 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,320 So. 606 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,200 I'll see you guys for the next one, like three months from now or whatever.