1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,240 Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf. 2 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:20,400 Are you guys ready? 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,400 I'm ready to go. 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,400 So, all right. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,400 Welcome listeners. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,740 Welcome to Dynamic Golf Podcast. 7 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:26,680 I'm your cohost, Tim McElvano. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,320 With me is my fellow cohost, Sean Klotz. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,040 And today Sean, please let us know what is our guest for today. 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,960 This one's about 40 years in the making, T-Mac, which is kind of interesting. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,480 But some of the listeners know that I've moved up here to Oakley Country Club in Watertown, 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:43,480 Mass. 13 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,240 From Peabody, Mass originally. 14 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,600 And my boss, my head professional at Oakley Country Club is Scott Johnson. 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,240 And we're just excited to have him. 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,400 So Scott, just introduce yourself a little bit to the listeners and kind of tell them 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,360 who you are a little bit and where you came from. 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,360 No pressure. 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,360 No pressure. 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,360 My name's Scott Johnson. 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,080 I've been at Oakley Country Club for the last 25 years. 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:11,240 I've been in the golf industry for, oh, 36 years now. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:16,640 Six other clubs prior to coming to Oakley in 1999. 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,040 Grew up playing golf my whole life. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Learned from a brother who helped me to play when we first snuck onto a golf course. 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,200 Got the bug when I was 13 years old and have had it ever since. 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,680 I eat golf. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,840 I sleep golf. 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,000 I dream about playing better golf. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 I do. 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 I'm a golf addict for sure. 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Wow. 33 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,360 Wow. 34 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,280 And you've been a PGA pro since 94. 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,440 Is that correct? 36 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,440 That's correct. 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,440 Yeah. 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,440 Nice. 39 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Nice. 40 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Nice. 41 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Very good. 42 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,440 He snuck golf courses like me and you used to too. 43 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,960 That's just so, you know, we were talking beforehand because we worked together every 44 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,960 day, but then I'm like, you know, just kind of prepping them a little bit for what we're 45 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,960 doing today. 46 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,800 It's so funny like how we all kind of come from that same little background of like my 47 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,200 brother's five years older. 48 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,760 My brother is the same age and class as Scott. 49 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,800 So they went to PVD high school together and they went to University of Tampa. 50 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,880 My brother came back after a year, but that's how I've known Scott since I was 12. 51 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,480 But I would always tag along with my brother, you know, working balls in the backyard or, 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,480 you know, going down to the local golf course, cutting through the fence that we're not supposed 53 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,480 to be. 54 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,160 So I was talking the same story with his brother. 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,680 It was funny growing up. 56 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,640 My brother's 10 years old when I was, so all his buddies were playing golf and he was babysitting, 57 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:34,480 quote unquote, me. 58 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,000 So he would drag me to the golf course and I would either carry the bag or put it on 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 a push cart and carry it. 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,520 And that was at a public golf course in Salem, Mass. 61 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Called Salem, Muni. 62 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,160 So I would sneak on there. 63 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Then as I got older, I lived near Salem Country Club, which is a top hundred in the United 64 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:55,160 States, we would ride our bikes up with our bags on our back and ditch our bikes in the 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,160 woods. 66 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,560 And then we'd sneak on to Salem and play number 7, 8, 16. 67 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,200 We'd skip around and play a few holes and just, you know, doing everything that kids 68 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,200 do. 69 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,480 And that's where I learned the game. 70 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Then I went on to Caddy and I worked in the bag room at Salem. 71 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,720 And then I worked as an assistant at a number of different clubs. 72 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,800 And, you know, I've been in the business forever. 73 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,840 You've got to have a real passion for it, don't you, Scott? 74 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,600 I mean, you find a bug for it and you find any way to get out there to play it. 75 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,800 You find any way to get into the industry of it. 76 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:33,720 So yeah, everybody I find that gets into this industry has either some sibling or somebody, 77 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,720 an older mentor that gets them into the game and they really get a big bug for it. 78 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Wouldn't you agree? 79 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,240 That's exactly what it is. 80 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,180 I call it, it's in your blood. 81 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:47,000 If you love the game and you want to be in the industry, you find a way to get in the 82 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 industry. 83 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,480 It's either as a golf professional or it's as a sales rep. 84 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,760 If you love it and are passionate about it, which and you can see it in people when they're 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,880 into it and love the industry and they're engaged. 86 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,520 That's the word I use all the time. 87 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,520 It's funny. 88 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,400 We're a private club here and I was telling my staff, I said, we're not in customer service. 89 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,260 We're in hospitality. 90 00:04:12,260 --> 00:04:16,320 Any club pro who tells you they're not, they're in customer service, they're not doing it 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,760 right because we're in hospitality. 92 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,040 This is about anticipating people's wants and needs before they know they want them 93 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,040 or need them. 94 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,480 That's what hospitality is. 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,480 Correct. 96 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,480 Correct. 97 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,680 And the experience that those members or people have when they come to your facility, correct? 98 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Correct. 99 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,680 That's what we provide. 100 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,840 We want it to be an experience when you come here either as a member on a regular basis 101 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,840 or as a guest. 102 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,720 It should be a special opportunity. 103 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,720 Yeah. 104 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Yeah. 105 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,080 And I always come back to the Disney idea, when you go there, it's like it's your home 106 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,640 away from home and everybody's there to greet you and say hello. 107 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,520 I think that's the feeling I get when I get to Augusta or something like that. 108 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,520 So yeah. 109 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,320 You ever seen a negative Disney employee? 110 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,320 I don't think there's too many working there. 111 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Yeah. 112 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,320 They're gone in a hurry. 113 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,520 They're back in the cast room or wherever they call that. 114 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,520 That's violent. 115 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:08,520 Yeah. 116 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:09,520 Exactly. 117 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,640 They're smiling and like Scott said, just anticipating needs. 118 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:18,640 So it doesn't matter if it's public, semi-private, private, the people are here for the four 119 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,200 to five hours and they're trying to either get away from their life for four to five 120 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,200 hours. 121 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,200 Yeah. 122 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,200 Partially. 123 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,200 They're trying to work on their own game. 124 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,800 Some reasons people play golf, because they weren't good at team sports. 125 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,000 That would be me. 126 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,760 I wanted all the glory and all the fame, and I also wanted all the negatives. 127 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,320 And I knew if I needed to go practice, it was just me. 128 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,960 You didn't need to grab five or six others to play basketball or play baseball. 129 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,360 But it's also a social hub too for a lot of people too as well. 130 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,960 It's definitely a home away from home. 131 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,240 Instead of sitting around the house and futzing about there out there with their friends, 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,560 engaging with the club pro or the employees there or even the maintenance staff, they 133 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,960 just find it as a home. 134 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,760 I always find, at least in that industry. 135 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,220 I'll give you a quick story. 136 00:06:03,220 --> 00:06:04,920 This goes back a long time. 137 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,080 My first year in the business, it's an August day. 138 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,680 I'm working outside running the cart barn. 139 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,560 The cart barn is about 70 yards away at Tadeus Co. 140 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,560 Country Club. 141 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,360 Well, I'm the only one working. 142 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,560 It's really busy and it's about 102 degrees. 143 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,400 So I'm running back and forth pulling carts, getting people ready. 144 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,480 And a member, Greg Keating comes around the corner. 145 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,280 I forget his first name, but I think it's Greg. 146 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,680 He comes around the corner and he says to me, how are you doing today? 147 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,680 I said, I'm doing pretty good. 148 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Mr. Keating, how are you? 149 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:35,880 He says, I'm such a hot day. 150 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,600 You're doing okay? 151 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:38,600 How well do I know? 152 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,320 My boss, who I've been working for four months, is standing in the doorway listening to the 153 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:44,320 interaction. 154 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,800 And I said, if you really want to know Mr. Keating, my day sucks. 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,240 I go, it's 104 degrees. 156 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,040 I'm the only one working. 157 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,240 I'm sweating my ass off and it's busy. 158 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,000 And we're going back and forth. 159 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,880 And I put his clubs on a cart and he goes out to play and the golf professional, still 160 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,320 one of my closest friends in the business, calls me in his office. 161 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,120 He says, close the door, thinking, huh? 162 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,120 I've been here four months. 163 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,120 He's never closed the door. 164 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,120 I walked in, closed the door. 165 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,120 He says, what did you say to Keating? 166 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,640 I said, you know, he asked me how my day was going. 167 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:15,640 I told him. 168 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,480 He said, what did you tell him exactly? 169 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,360 I said, well, my day kind of sucks. 170 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,280 He says, I don't care. 171 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,280 They don't care. 172 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,520 The minute you close your door in the parking lot, I don't care if your cat died. 173 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,560 You had a fight with your girlfriend. 174 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,640 You put a smile on your face and you come to work. 175 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,000 That lesson is 36 years old. 176 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,640 I tell that story 10 times a year. 177 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:43,620 My staff can recite it back to me because it was so invaluable to me in my career. 178 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:44,620 I've never forgotten it. 179 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:48,640 And it is the basis of my professional career. 180 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,680 T-Mac, the funny part of the story is that he told us that speech literally the day my 181 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:55,680 cat died. 182 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:04,960 The day before I started working here, Tuesday in March, and he tells a story and he's like, 183 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,960 oh, sorry, Sean. 184 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,960 It's just always part of the speech. 185 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:09,960 It is. 186 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,760 Well, I'm sorry to hear that your cat died. 187 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:12,760 I didn't even know about that. 188 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,440 We'll have the therapy session later. 189 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,840 No, absolutely. 190 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Absolutely. 191 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:24,320 So, you know, with such a rich history there at Oakley Country Club, I mean, I'm just kind 192 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,760 of looking through the history here, Scott. 193 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,080 I mean, you've got people like, you know, the Roosevelts have played there. 194 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,560 Bobby Jones played there. 195 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:37,160 I mean, can you touch a little bit on the history of that course that you've been at 196 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,960 for so many years, 21 years, I think it is now? 197 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,760 It's actually year 25 for me. 198 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,600 25, okay, sorry. 199 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,720 Most famous part about this, Tim, is it's Donald Ross's original golf course. 200 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:57,480 He came over from Scotland in 1899, walked from where he sailed to in downtown Boston, 201 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,920 walked out here four miles, had nothing to his name. 202 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,960 He became the Green Superintendent and then went on from here. 203 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,760 He worked here for 11 years as the club pro and the superintendent and then he went on 204 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,960 to his career after that. 205 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,280 By far the most famous person we've had here. 206 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,760 We've had a ton of famous players. 207 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,200 We've had a ton of famous women. 208 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,280 The Curtises have played here. 209 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,240 These are big names in the Massachusetts golf history. 210 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,640 Oh, Mike Ohanian. 211 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Fred Wright Jr. won the state amateur seven times, I believe. 212 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,800 We've had a rich history here, both men's and women's golf. 213 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,960 It's really, it's a staple in the New England area, for sure. 214 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Yeah, I mean, you know, you just look at the history that, you know, because I'm looking 215 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,280 at the website that you guys have, which is a great website if anybody gets a chance to 216 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,280 take a look at it. 217 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:55,000 But just the history through time, you know, everything that comes through is absolutely 218 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 amazing. 219 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,800 So, I mean, it's just got to be great to, you know, it's got to be an joy to go to something 220 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,100 that's just so rich with history and knowing that you're contributing to that history as 221 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:06,600 you go through the halls. 222 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,920 Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. 223 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,320 I'm fortunate to work for such a great membership for such a long period of time. 224 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,760 This day and age, as you both know, that it's hard to be a club pro at one club for more 225 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,160 than 8, 10, 12 years. 226 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,600 I'm a bit of a dinosaur at this point, having been here for 25 years. 227 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Again, I work for a great membership, so it's really not very difficult to keep them happy. 228 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,160 It's cool to you, Mac. 229 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:36,760 They honor their history, meaning like currently we're taking applications for the Fred Wright 230 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,120 golf tournament that's coming up, right? 231 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,880 That's a three-day member guest, right? 232 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:47,440 We just got done with Donahue Cup qualifying, which is named after a pro who was here for 233 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,960 34 years, Paul Donahue. 234 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Later in the summer, we're going to have the Johnson Cup golf tournament. 235 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,080 Johnson Cup? 236 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,080 Johnson Cup, yes. 237 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,080 Johnson Cup. 238 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,480 That's named after Scott Johnson two years ago? 239 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,480 Eight years ago now. 240 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,480 Oh, wow. 241 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,480 Pretty cool. 242 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Congratulations. 243 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,960 That's pretty stout stuff right there. 244 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,440 It's pretty odd, yeah. 245 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,920 I owe it to a gentleman named John Coughlin and another one named Fred DeVito who wanted 246 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,560 to run another what we call plaque tournament, which this is an individual quarter event 247 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:24,000 that runs throughout the year. 248 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,600 My boss at the time was Coughlin and he said, hey, Scott, we're going to unveil this plaque. 249 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Can you hold it? 250 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:30,600 I said, sure. 251 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,560 I'm holding the plaque and it's got a tablecloth over it. 252 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:38,520 My staff at the time happened to be there, unbeknownst to them and me. 253 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,680 He says, okay, we've got the individual quarter tournament. 254 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,240 Scott, why don't you unveil it? 255 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,280 I looked down and it says Johnson Cup on it. 256 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,320 I looked at my boss and I said, I'm going to kill you. 257 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,460 My staff is in the corner, Tim, and they are laughing because my job is to provide a service 258 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:59,720 to the membership and I call it fly under the radar. 259 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 I don't like the spotlight. 260 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,160 It's not my personality. 261 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,400 To name a tournament after me was a little bit bold. 262 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,640 I cringe most of the time. 263 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,560 You could have named it after a number of different people who've been here for a long 264 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:13,560 period of time. 265 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:14,560 It is a tremendous honor. 266 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:19,680 It's an absolute tremendous honor and that's a tremendous amount of respect from my membership 267 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,760 for me and I truly appreciate it. 268 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,520 It's a big award. 269 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:31,080 It's a big tournament and I'm just trying to stay out of the way and do my job. 270 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,080 Gotcha. 271 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,080 That's great. 272 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,200 Congratulations there, Scott. 273 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,200 That's great. 274 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,200 Thank you. 275 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,560 Some of the stuff we talked about, TMAC too, is history. 276 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:43,800 Some of the things that are done differently in Oakley. 277 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:50,560 I'm going to let Scott touch on this, but the caddy program at Oakley Cuddle Club, above 278 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:52,280 and beyond. 279 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,840 I think two things as I see it from the outsider now starting to become the insider. 280 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:04,880 The members are gracious with their sort of acceptance we'll call it and time and willingness 281 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,440 to realize that we've got these 12 to 16 year old kids and there might be 30 of them on 282 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,520 the bench, TMAC, on a Saturday morning. 283 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Really on the bench, just picture Caddy Shack audience. 284 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,520 It's the same thing. 285 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,520 There's not a caddy master. 286 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,560 There's no Bill Murray going around there trying to fight the groundhog. 287 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:27,160 Pat does a good job with that, our superintendent. 288 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,160 But it is. 289 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:35,880 It's a caddy principal caddy program and Scott's just been a beacon in the industry on this 290 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,640 program and he accepted the We Met Scholarship Pro of the Year in 2019. 291 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,120 Yeah, so go ahead and talk about that Scott a little bit. 292 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,000 Our program has been running for 25 years. 293 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,480 I grew up as a caddy at Salem Country Club and I was the small kid that always outlasts 294 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,600 because I was short and had trouble carrying bags or they thought I did. 295 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,960 And then I worked my way up into the caddy ranks and it is the best way to learn the 296 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,680 game for most kids. 297 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:11,240 So when I became the head professional here, we had a limited caddy program and we've increased 298 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,280 it every year. 299 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,280 We promote it. 300 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,520 We train them over school vacation for eight hours of training and then they get the opportunity 301 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,520 to go on caddy. 302 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Now, do we have all success stories? 303 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:25,880 No. 304 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,200 If we train 35 kids, if we get a dozen that are really good caddies, that's a pretty productive 305 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,200 year. 306 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,960 If you hit on 30%, we're doing well. 307 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,960 We've done that. 308 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,720 And one of the big carrots at the end and these are kids, remember 12 to 15, 16 years 309 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 old, they don't understand this part. 310 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:51,200 In Massachusetts, we have the We Met Scholarship Fund and it provides scholarships to caddies 311 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,160 who caddy for two years or work on the ground staff for two years. 312 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,560 They're eligible to get that based on need. 313 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:03,760 Last year, the We Met gave out over $3 million to over, I think it's 300 kids. 314 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,160 I mean, it's an amazing number. 315 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,080 The scholarship used to range between two and five a year. 316 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,680 Now they range between four and 50 in a year based on need and it's every year. 317 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Unlike some scholarship funds where you get it for one year and it goes away, this one 318 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:25,600 is if you get it, whatever year you get it, every year thereafter until you graduate college, 319 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,480 I'm sorry, it's four years, in the four years, you get it and it goes up every year. 320 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,160 Oh, that's amazing. 321 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Yeah. 322 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,360 You probably have heard of the evidence scholarship out in the middle of the country. 323 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,080 Little to that, only this one, Evans, they do it for smaller numbers. 324 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,320 This one hits a lot of kids. 325 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,880 It's an outstanding program. 326 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,240 The membership, by the way, also embrace it by donating money. 327 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,240 What's the number there? 328 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,520 100 grand that Oakley gives? 329 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Oakley gives about $50,000 annually to the We Met Scholarship Fund. 330 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,600 Wow. 331 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,400 So, over the 25 years here, the club has been fortunate. 332 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Yes, they've given over a million dollars and we've been fortunate to have probably 333 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,000 slightly over 100 We Met Scholars, which is one of the things I'm most proud of, not only 334 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 for me. 335 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,400 I appreciated the We Met Award, but this is an award that's club-wide, meaning my membership 336 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 contributes to it and then my caddies are participating in getting it. 337 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:34,000 It's a really big deal and it's one of the things I'm most proud about being a part of 338 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,520 the Oakley Country Club family. 339 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,520 Yeah. 340 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,000 That's tremendous support that you're getting from your membership. 341 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,200 That's amazing right there, the numbers that they're putting out. 342 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,600 One of the questions I was going to ask is how does the support of the membership there 343 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,120 contribute to the scholarship program? 344 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,880 That answered it right there for everybody. 345 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,600 That's amazing what they're able to contribute to your cause and what they're able to do. 346 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,600 That's amazing. 347 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,600 It is. 348 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,600 That's great stuff. 349 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,640 It's just, again, something that separates. 350 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,960 We talk about hospitality versus customer service. 351 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,360 It's something that separates Oakley Country Club from another golf course in the area. 352 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,720 There's a lot of great golf courses. 353 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,560 People have choices, but people want to join this country club for a reason. 354 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,960 That's one of them, honestly. 355 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,280 It's been great to see it in action. 356 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,600 The staff, not myself yet, but the other staff member, Scott, the other Scott and Karen do 357 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,720 just such a good job of getting the kids out. 358 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,160 Whether we have a tournament. 359 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,160 Last Friday we had a tournament. 360 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,160 Remember guests? 361 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,160 We got the kids out. 362 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:39,360 Sometimes they're four caddies, TMAC, which kind of goes like the unsung hero type of 363 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,360 thing. 364 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:41,360 You don't always have to caddy. 365 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:46,680 The four caddy program is just equally another way to teach the kids, which a lot of people 366 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,240 in the audience may not know what that is, but essentially you're just having the kid 367 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,240 go out. 368 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Boys or girls, by the way. 369 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,360 There's been plenty of girls that have won the scholarship too. 370 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:56,800 You're going out in the middle of the fairway. 371 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,720 What I hear from the membership when that happens, oh my gosh, we should have this all 372 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,400 the time because we find the golf balls. 373 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,360 It keeps the kid engaged. 374 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:08,240 It lets them see the course. 375 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,720 They might not, not every person that comes on a golf course has the skill or ability, 376 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,200 but they have the love for it. 377 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Find a position and a spot for them. 378 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,640 I think that's a great way for somebody that might just be beginning the game to start 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,640 out. 380 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,640 It's funny. 381 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,640 They make real money too. 382 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,640 It's really good. 383 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,520 Especially for a 13, 14 year old making a hundred bucks in a day. 384 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,160 It's like, okay, that's pretty good wage. 385 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:40,080 Many of those kids from my caddy program will go on to work in my bag room and they'll work 386 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,360 for me all through high school into college. 387 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,120 I've been incredibly fortunate. 388 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:48,840 I've had some guys work for me for eight or nine years, all through high school, all through 389 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,000 college. 390 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,360 One of them is named Chris McGuire. 391 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,400 He worked for me for nine years and now is back. 392 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,560 He's a full member. 393 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,280 So I'm getting to see some of these kids go through the program and come back as members 394 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,720 now, which is pretty, pretty, it's outstanding as well. 395 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Wow. 396 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,720 Wow. 397 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,560 Can you, can you, you know, are there any significant impacts on any students' lives 398 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,760 that you've kind of seen with this program? 399 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,600 You know, with that gentleman, I mean, but have you seen something where it kind of like, 400 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,760 you know, turn, turn the kid around a little bit, big, big changes for somebody or anybody 401 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,760 like that maybe? 402 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,320 I don't know if I've seen like, underprivileged kids? 403 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:33,080 Yeah, I don't know if I could name anybody specifically that way. 404 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:38,760 I can tell you it's funny to watch a boy, kid named Max, never been on a golf course 405 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,320 in his life ever. 406 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,960 And he want came through caddy program when he was 14 years old and he wanted to go to 407 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,320 NYU. 408 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,080 So this kid caddy, AM and PM, he'd caddy in the morning and in the start, obviously he 409 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,520 was carrying singles and by August of that year, his first year, he was carrying doubles. 410 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,560 He would carry doubles in the morning and then he would carry singles in the afternoon. 411 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,820 So he was doing this every Saturday and Sunday. 412 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:10,520 This kid in his first year made like $5,000 towards his education. 413 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,560 I love when a caddy has a goal. 414 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,120 I want a new set of clubs. 415 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:15,280 I want to go to college. 416 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,720 I want to buy new bikes or whatever they want because they're motivated. 417 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,280 And again, this goes back to something Sean said earlier. 418 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:31,000 It's about engagement and if you can get either my staff engaged with a membership or I can 419 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,920 get my kids, my caddy program engaged with a membership and they're motivated, I want 420 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,960 those guys. 421 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,680 That's who I want on my staff and you know a kid who's motivated. 422 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,900 He's here all the time. 423 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:48,440 We caddy on Friday afternoon, Saturday and Sunday mornings and the kids who are on the 424 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,400 bench on a regular basis, they want to get better and they want to do a good job and 425 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,360 they do and the better job they do obviously, the more money these kids make. 426 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,360 They make real money. 427 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,760 It's pretty impressive. 428 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,360 Membership is ridiculously generous to the program. 429 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:10,200 So in Silverado world which I know is a little bit micro like it's a Silverado Golf and Country 430 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:17,160 Club in Zephyrh Hills, when I was there, if we had a program like that for Zeke Kinzman 431 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,800 or for Nora, remember like Nora, the 11 year old phenom? 432 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,440 She ended up going to Augusta, right? 433 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,440 So she qualified. 434 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,440 Yeah, the drive chip and put. 435 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,440 Right. 436 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,480 So if we had a program kind of like that for those types of kids in that area, especially 437 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,720 I want to say the word a little more on the underprivileged side and that's where you 438 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,800 see some of the inner city workings, how it works in some of the programs maybe at more 439 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,480 like a, what's the municipal. 440 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,960 Cleveland Heights or something like that? 441 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,200 Yeah, Cleveland Heights and Lakeland, right? 442 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,200 That type of thing or. 443 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Rogers Park. 444 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,200 Rogers Park would be a good one. 445 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,200 Rogers Park would be a great one. 446 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,200 I spent some time there. 447 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,560 I spent three years of college career at Rogers Park. 448 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,760 So let's move into his playing career that he's very excited and humble to talk about. 449 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,060 He hates talking about it. 450 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:09,880 But bottom line, Scott, hey, how many times were you All-American at University of Tampa, 451 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,880 Scott? 452 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,880 Yeah, I'd love to hear it. 453 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,240 I was a two time All-American and an Honorable Mention All-American once. 454 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,960 And the team won two national championships back to back in 87 and 88. 455 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,360 I played with some great players, guys who went on to play on tour, guys who are just 456 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:33,480 won the national mid and we it was a program that was spectacular. 457 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,480 I call it the Fab Five Team Act. 458 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,240 To me, it was that confluence of just five guys from all over different parts of the 459 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:46,200 country going to a Division Two school that really wasn't known for golf specifically. 460 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,480 It was pure luck that we all got together. 461 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,240 And again, here's that we're going to go back to engagement. 462 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,260 You couldn't have found and it wasn't just we had five guys who played on a regular. 463 00:22:57,260 --> 00:23:01,200 We had 11 or 12 guys that were pushing each other engaged. 464 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Yeah, it was who's going to get better faster. 465 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:10,020 And it wasn't cutthroat at all, but it was challenging. 466 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:14,440 And I got to play with I got to play with Jeff Leonard who played on tour for three 467 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,440 years. 468 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:22,800 And Jeff Leonard in 1988 was the number two player in the country stroke average behind 469 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,000 Bob Estes from New Texas. 470 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040 This kid was the best player in the country. 471 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,040 It was amazing. 472 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,040 This kid could do it all. 473 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:37,680 And he came out of Indianapolis, went to Tampa to play golf, play baseball, messed up an 474 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,160 elbow and then he had played a little golf in high school and then went on to become 475 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,840 basically the best player in the country those last couple of years. 476 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,840 It was pretty amazing. 477 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,840 Wow. 478 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,800 That is amazing right there. 479 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,360 We've talked about him a few times on the podcast already, right? 480 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:56,040 Well, we saw him swinging out there in Orlando, didn't we? 481 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,040 Wasn't it? 482 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,040 Yeah. 483 00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,040 I mean, very unassuming. 484 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,680 You know, you wouldn't think, you know, definitely white man can't jump kind of guy. 485 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,760 You're like, I'm going to get this guy and boy, he will eat you for lunch. 486 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560 You can tell. 487 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,920 Grew up in Indianapolis. 488 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,920 Great family. 489 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,280 Very unassuming. 490 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,680 And we'll and won't tell you he's going to kill you. 491 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,480 We played and I played with Lee Jansen and Rocco and they were a little more and Hugh 492 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,560 Royer up at Columbus College. 493 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,660 They were more in your face. 494 00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:26,560 They were really good players. 495 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,480 And Jeff was at least as good, if not better than those guys. 496 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,080 Jeff would never say a word about himself. 497 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,120 The other guys were like, it was an advertisement. 498 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,260 Hey, look at me. 499 00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:37,840 And I love Jeff for that. 500 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,520 Still one of my still close friend of mine, just a tremendous person and a tremendous 501 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,520 player. 502 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Better person. 503 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,520 You play with Kraft too? 504 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,520 Greg Kraft? 505 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Yeah, I played with Greg Kraft for a season. 506 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,520 My freshman. 507 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Yeah. 508 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Yeah. 509 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,520 Greg Kraft's. 510 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,840 He played on tour for 21 years. 511 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,280 Kraft's name was Cheese Wiz because Kraft obviously. 512 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,280 OK. 513 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:09,640 Kraft was an amazing player, but a guy who humble was not in his vocabulary. 514 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,640 And I don't really. 515 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,640 Yeah. 516 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Sorry, Greg, but that's who you are. 517 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,640 I don't know if he's listening yet to our podcast. 518 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,040 So we'll probably get on to it. 519 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,040 So from college, then you did you try any mini tour? 520 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Try for a couple of years. 521 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,320 What did you do? 522 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Try for the year pretty much after 88. 523 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,280 I came out. 524 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480 I played all the New England stuff. 525 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,200 Jeff Schroeder and I, my college teammate, we traveled together all summer, played all 526 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,200 the opens. 527 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,200 I did fairly well. 528 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,440 I finished in the top 10. 529 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840 You know, I never won anything big, but I finished. 530 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,280 I was a pretty good player. 531 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,280 Then I went back to Florida. 532 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,600 I said I was going to go play for the year. 533 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,720 I ran into Jeff Gallagher, the third at Disney and we played. 534 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,440 We were paired the first two rounds together at a mini tour event and I played pretty good. 535 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:02,160 I shot 7169 and he shot 6564. 536 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,360 He hit it further than I did. 537 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,440 He hit it more in the middle of the fairway than I did. 538 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440 He hit it closer than I did. 539 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,480 He punted it better than I did and he had sponsorship money. 540 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,160 I said, okay, all right. 541 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,880 And this is just one guy I'm thinking to myself, how am I going to do this? 542 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,680 And that was up through May and then I had had my name out up here in Massachusetts on 543 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,440 the, knowing the PGA board for a job. 544 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,560 And of the blue on June 1st, the guy at Tedesco Country Club, Bob Green, the one I shared 545 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,000 that story about parking your car and putting on a happy face, called and said, hey, I need 546 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,080 somebody. 547 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,060 And I lived in the town next door and I went to work for him. 548 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:49,800 I only worked for Bobby for one season before I went down to Milton to go to Walson Golf 549 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Club. 550 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,560 And it put me in the business and I realized at that point I could play locally at a pretty 551 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,080 high level and did for a long time. 552 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,640 But I wasn't going to play on TV. 553 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,080 It just, A, I didn't hit it far enough and B, I didn't have the sponsorship behind me 554 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,080 to do it. 555 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:15,480 So for me, it was an opportunity that I jumped on and here I am today. 556 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,480 Wow. 557 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,560 Pretty impressive resume right there, T-Mex, so talk to the listener, Scott, a little bit 558 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,600 about your Walson, your U.S. juniors experience. 559 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,440 I think that's a good one for those of us to hear. 560 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,440 Yeah. 561 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,720 1992, I'm down at Walson Golf Club in Milton and we're holding the U.S. junior and it's 562 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,920 Tiger's second year. 563 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,200 So he won and he was 15 years old and he won at Lake Merced, I think. 564 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,200 Wow. 565 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:51,640 And we were hosting in 92 and we're out there and he comes down to play and 16 year old 566 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Tiger, by the way. 567 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,640 Yes. 568 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,040 Skinny as a stick, right? 569 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,880 All decked out and all Nike stuff and he gets to know me a little bit because the other 570 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,640 assistant who was working at the time had to go in for emergency hip surgery. 571 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,000 So he was in the hospital. 572 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,080 So he wasn't around much and I had myself and a guy named Dana Smith and we were there 573 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,200 to run the event and Tiger found me one early on in the week. 574 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,880 It said, hey, can I get down to the range? 575 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,520 And I would take him down. 576 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,920 Walson had two men to the range. 577 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,320 He liked to hit at the far end of the range where there were less people. 578 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000 So I would bring him down and I'll never forget, we're driving. 579 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,760 It's about a half a mile to the far end of the range. 580 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,760 We're driving down. 581 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080 He's got a sports psychologist on the back of the car. 582 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,080 We're driving down. 583 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200 I looked at him and said, what's it like to be you? 584 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,760 And he turned and said, everybody wants a piece of me. 585 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,560 He wants to touch me. 586 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,760 And I said, oh, and now right there, I knew that I just, I just wanted to leave them alone. 587 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,920 And I would bring down the other end of the range and I'm standing there one day. 588 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520 I started to care if I watch it. 589 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,520 He goes, no. 590 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,400 So I stood off to the side and I got the, I got to see Tiger Woods hit balls for 30 591 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,400 straight minutes. 592 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,080 Me, him and his caddy. 593 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,480 That's it. 594 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,260 And it was, it was different. 595 00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:09,260 Even then, you knew it was different. 596 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:11,380 It sounded different when we hit it. 597 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:16,920 And then he went out, then he goes on to play and he is prior to the final round. 598 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,920 He gets in the final round. 599 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,960 I think he's playing Marco Wilson and we're getting ready to go off to, he's getting ready 600 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,560 to go off to the first tee and the other assistant, Mike Bemis is the kid with the bad hip is 601 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,560 banged up. 602 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,560 He's in the shop. 603 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,920 And I said to Tiger, I said, could you do me a favor and meet my other assistant, meet 604 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,920 the other assistant. 605 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,560 So he came in and as we were walking in, this is when we had metal spikes. 606 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,760 We had a tile floor. 607 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,480 Tiger almost takes a dicks. 608 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,480 He has to grab onto the bag rack so he doesn't fall down. 609 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,000 I'm thinking I'm going to wreck this kid's back before we even get to play. 610 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,760 So he came over and he met Mike Bemis and he couldn't have been more of a gentleman. 611 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,720 He said, Hey Michael, I'm glad you're here. 612 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,440 Hope you get to see some of the final match. 613 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,960 I hope to see you on the golf course. 614 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960 He was great. 615 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,840 Now whether you love Tiger or you don't. 616 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,680 I'm a big Tiger fan. 617 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,680 He was terrific. 618 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,680 He was terrific. 619 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320 So we go and we're watching the match and we're on the 16th hole at Wallaston, which 620 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,320 is a par five. 621 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080 He is now two down with three to go. 622 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,120 So pins in the back right. 623 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800 I'm with Tom Meeks with the time was running the USGA. 624 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,040 We're in the cart together and we're out in the fairway and Tiger hits it in the pin to 625 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,040 his back right. 626 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,520 And he hits it on the back fringe and he spins it back through the fringe to about four feet. 627 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,280 He makes it for four wins all now he's one down with two to go. 628 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,280 Okay. 629 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,400 The next holes is really difficult. 630 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Par three. 631 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,400 He makes three. 632 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,400 He makes four. 633 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,760 We go to 18 or even Mark Wilson throws up on himself, make six Tiger makes bogey and 634 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,760 wins. 635 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Okay. 636 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,760 And that's how we won it. 637 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,760 Second US jr down at Wallaston. 638 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 It was, it was pretty phenomenal. 639 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,080 That's amazing. 640 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:59,400 But you'd heard of this kid and then to see it in, in person is it was outstanding even 641 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,240 then and now you look where he is now. 642 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120 Did you, did you, did you have a good sense? 643 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,800 I mean, you had a sense when you watched him then that he would, he was going to have the 644 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320 career that he was going to have, or did you think it might've been a little hyped up a 645 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,840 little bit or did you say this kid's the real deal and I'm going to see him crush some records? 646 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:22,080 You knew he, he was the real deal when you watched him hit it, when you heard him hit 647 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,080 it. 648 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,600 So he, this kid's 16 years old and the sound it made at 16 was different than anything 649 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,760 pretty much I'd ever heard from any player, whether they were adult or a child, he hit 650 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,920 it flush almost every swing, single swing, which is pretty amazing because later on when 651 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400 he was a Titleist guy, he went down, I can remember this, he went down to Manchester 652 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:49,200 Lane and they said early in his career, he hit it, he swung the fastest and he hit it 653 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 most in the center of any tour pro they'd ever tested. 654 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,160 Well, at that point, even before that, when we saw him down there, you knew how good he 655 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:03,920 was, you know how amazing he was and then to hear that stat afterwards about him down 656 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400 at Titleist and how centered he hit it. 657 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,200 Now, no wonder he was good as long as he could putt it, which clearly he can, he was going 658 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400 to get something special and he was, he was. 659 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,400 That's amazing. 660 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,400 That's amazing right there. 661 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440 That was a pretty good story, right? 662 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,520 Yeah, that's, that's, I was captivated. 663 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,320 I'm sitting here all quiet. 664 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,320 Exactly. 665 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,080 So, Scott, you've got, as we kind of conveniently just talked, you've got four course records 666 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,440 that you can remember. 667 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,280 He's got one up here, T-Mac, he's got 62, there's two other players who've had 62 at 668 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Oakley. 669 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,440 Jeff Bailey, previous pro and Paul Donahue, both shot 62 here at Oakley. 670 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Yeah. 671 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,440 That's, that's eight under for the record. 672 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,440 Wow. 673 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440 So my question is, was it nine under? 674 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,440 Oh, okay, my bad. 675 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,440 Sorry. 676 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:57,200 I got out of a stroke there, so my question to you is, because my low is 64, I've done 677 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,880 it a couple of times in my life, T-Mac, you've had some low rounds, like Scott, to you, when 678 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,400 you get to that zone, when you're in those areas of like that five, six under, and now 679 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,760 I'll arguably for us now at our age, it might be two, three under. 680 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,760 Yes, right. 681 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Like the bars change a little bit, but, but like what, how do you get there? 682 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,080 Sort of, how do you stay there maybe for the listener, sort of the guy who's trying to 683 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,600 break 90, right? 684 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080 The lady who's trying to break a hundred, whatever that is. 685 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,600 What's that sort of thing that you can kind of give them? 686 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,920 You always hear, stay in the present, those kinds of things, like don't think ahead, whatever. 687 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,600 It's a lovely catchphrase. 688 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,200 It's really difficult to do. 689 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,640 Think about what's in front of you and don't count how many players we have that are out 690 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640 here and they know they're playing pretty well. 691 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,960 So they're on 16 and they add up the scorecard. 692 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,240 They're like, well, if I make three cars, I'm going to shoot 75 or I'm going to shoot 693 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,600 85 and I'm going to break 90 for the first time. 694 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,800 They're toast at that point. 695 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,360 Once your brain gets involved, now your brain's involved when you're playing golf, obviously, 696 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,640 but try to play each hole independently and put down the scores in the box and then add 697 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,240 them up after 18. 698 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240 Don't add them up after nine. 699 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,880 If you do it, I did this, I was a score guy. 700 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,040 I'd add it up when I was younger. 701 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:19,720 Five years ago, my daughter got sick big time and I was playing golf. 702 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:22,600 That point was more respite. 703 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,600 Yeah. 704 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Therapy. 705 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,080 So I went out and I started to play some big events up here and I finished second on our 706 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,320 section championship at my opium Tedesco and I played very well. 707 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,720 And the key to this one was I stopped adding up scores at that point because I really didn't 708 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,320 care whether I made a three footer or missed a three footer. 709 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,960 My daughter was in real jeopardy. 710 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,280 It didn't matter as much. 711 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,520 So the phrase that care less and play better golf is really a true statement where the 712 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,680 only one who really cares about how well you play is you personally. 713 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,280 Because the guy you're playing with is trying to beat you and the other two guys are trying 714 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080 to play against you. 715 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,820 Golf is, as Sean said, it's an individual sport. 716 00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:07,040 That's another reason I reached out to it too. 717 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,600 I was a baseball player and a hockey player and I didn't want somebody to make a mistake 718 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,000 and cost us a game. 719 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,840 Here you make a mistake in golf, it's all on you. 720 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,400 I like that part of the game. 721 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,520 I like that I can practice on my own. 722 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:23,120 But to keep, to stay in the present is to just look forward and hit the next shot and 723 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,200 not worry about the result and not worry about, not worry about the score. 724 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,760 Just play the next shot and don't add up your score. 725 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,280 If I could teach my membership, just put the numbers in the boxes, add them up at the end 726 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,280 of the day. 727 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,680 The second round of that section championship was at Tedesco Country Club and I'm playing 728 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,120 with a guy named Jeff Stewart, the other guy bailed out, so it's just the two of us, so 729 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,120 it's a little slow. 730 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,120 We play. 731 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,280 I think I'm playing okay. 732 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,920 I haven't just writing down the boxes and I go in and I hand the scorecard to, my numbers 733 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,920 are correct. 734 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,920 I still haven't added totals. 735 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,600 I hand it to the guy behind the computer. 736 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,000 He keys it in, he looks up at me and says, great round, 69. 737 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560 I said, okay. 738 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,440 And I didn't know that I had shot 69, but that was the mentality I need to have when 739 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,440 I play golf. 740 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,440 Each one of us did that where you don't count and if you don't count, you're not going to 741 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,440 worry about the score as much, but people, we are score-driven. 742 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,520 What you make on that hole and oh, you know, I love the guy, Tim. 743 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:20,520 My favorite is the guy. 744 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,040 He's your buddy and Sean's playing with me. 745 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,480 We're buddies and I play great on the front. 746 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,120 I shoot 400 and he can't wait to tell me on the 10th team, hey, you know, you're 400. 747 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,040 There's a really good story out here about me. 748 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:45,480 I shoot 20, 29 on the front one day playing with three members. 749 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,040 10 at the time was a par five. 750 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,000 It's now a par four, but at the time I make four. 751 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:58,640 So I'm eight under after 10 and the member walked into the 11th team says, you know, 752 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,040 you're going to break the course record today. 753 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,280 I finished, I had three bogey coming in and the end of that show. 754 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,680 And that what it does is it takes you out of just playing golf and now you're thinking 755 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,280 about score and all that stuff. 756 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,280 It's totally different. 757 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,780 You really need to not think about score and just hit the shot in front of you and that's 758 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:19,780 all you can do. 759 00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:23,640 It kind of like going back to the idea of if somebody's throwing a no hitter, you don't 760 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,240 go down to the pitcher and say, Hey, by the way, you just need to three more outs and 761 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,240 you get this no hitter. 762 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,720 I mean, nobody does that. 763 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720 Right? 764 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,280 So, I mean, I think you just, when somebody's in the zone, at least when I see somebody 765 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:40,520 in the zone like that, I'm just, I'm trying to play out of their way and be quiet. 766 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,520 We played here. 767 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,880 We do a pro member every few years and I had my buddies come in and we're playing and one 768 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,640 of the guys I'm playing with, you guys did a podcast with Jerry York, his brother Billy's 769 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,640 playing with me. 770 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,720 Well, Billy never broke an eight and he's in my group. 771 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,120 And right now we've got two par threes 14 and 15 to finish. 772 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,120 And he's going to, all he's going to do is go bogey, bogey to finish and he's going to 773 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,920 shoot 78. 774 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,880 So I know this cause I'm sitting in the car with one of my guys, one of my guys, a car 775 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,720 guy I'm writing and says, Hey, should we tell them? 776 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,680 I go, if you tell them, I'm going to kill you. 777 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,320 And he went on, he made four three and he shot 78. 778 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,640 I think it was, it was the first time he'd ever broken 80 and it was during an event. 779 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,560 So it was, it wasn't like they were gimmies. 780 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,560 These were like real plots. 781 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,160 I was like, it was phenomenal. 782 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,480 But when you're in that zone, if somebody tells you, it talks about it, how about when 783 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,720 you make three birdies in a row? 784 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,680 Hey, you know, you made three birdies in a row. 785 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,080 No, I didn't know that. 786 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080 You know what I mean? 787 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080 Come on. 788 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,080 I'm paying attention here. 789 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,240 Oh, you know, you're going to make another one. 790 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,240 I have no idea. 791 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,320 I'm just going to go play golf and just hit the next one. 792 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,160 But we get too caught up in numbers and we get, you know, just play the game, play the 793 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,800 next shot, play the next hole. 794 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,800 Right, right. 795 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,080 And I think you also see that with, you know, just kind of turn it over to lessons. 796 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,920 You know, sometimes when I see lessons, I try to tell them, Hey, we got to go through 797 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,320 a process here, but they get so result driven. 798 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,760 You know, I think, you know, with numbers and results that people want, we live in that 799 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,400 world of instant gratification. 800 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,220 We want to see something, you know, low. 801 00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:09,200 We want to see something, you know, go straight. 802 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,360 You know, they just don't take the time to make a, make a process of it. 803 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:18,480 I think that one drives me a little bananas as a teacher, quick fix guy, Tim, the guy 804 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,120 who comes and says, you know, my games, a mess fix me. 805 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Huh? 806 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,280 Wait a minute, but well, your grip's terrible. 807 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,640 Your posture is bad. 808 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,680 Your backswing is out of place and you make a decent follow through. 809 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,680 Okay. 810 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,240 Well, can you fix them all at once? 811 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:34,240 No, I can't. 812 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,240 I can't. 813 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,240 And it's hard. 814 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,240 You know, we do, we do a fair amount of teaching and you can't overwhelm people. 815 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,400 If you give them too much stuff, you get them lost. 816 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,320 And then they are like, my game stinks. 817 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,320 You got to keep it simple. 818 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,320 Keep it simple. 819 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,080 It is pretty, you know, let's keep it basic. 820 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,440 There's, you know, fundamentals in golf swings that everybody has. 821 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,440 You better have a good grip. 822 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,520 You better have a good posture, good backswing to set up a good downswing. 823 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,320 That's that's pretty much of a teaching philosophy. 824 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,320 Absolutely. 825 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,320 Absolutely. 826 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,200 Those, those fundamentals need a hold. 827 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,220 I got, I got two things to add to that, T Mac and listeners. 828 00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:14,200 So my first story is, um, my dad passed away in 2007. 829 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,320 Uh, greatest guy in my life. 830 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,400 Scott's known him since he was a kid, came over for breakfast and he just knew my dad. 831 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,840 That's part of the legacy between the two of us, which was great. 832 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,320 So that green Valley country club in 2008, the first father's day after my dad passed, 833 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,640 I shoot 36 in the front. 834 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,120 Oh, life is great. 835 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,120 Things are good. 836 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,360 I go Eagle, birdie, Eagle, birdie, birdie on the next five holes. 837 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,360 Wow. 838 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,360 Seven up there. 839 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:49,880 Remember on number 15 T box says to me, Hey, you know, you're seven under like, yeah, I 840 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,880 do. 841 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,280 I wish you hadn't said anything to me. 842 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,720 And I wheel it in for seven under on the back nine and shoot whatever the number was 64 843 00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:58,720 or whatever. 844 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:02,600 But it was, uh, it was just kind of a funny, like, I hear Scott tell the story. 845 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,720 We all have those, like the birdie thing is great. 846 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,000 Like just the reason, Hey, you almost want to say the 15 handicapped guy. 847 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,160 Like, look, the reason I'm here is because I'm, I already know all this, like, don't, 848 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,160 you don't need to add to that. 849 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,160 Like, you know, correct. 850 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,880 Um, so then the other part of that story is my brother. 851 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,560 I like this concept when he teaches, especially beginners, that he'll go do a playing lesson 852 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:30,240 and on the scorecard, all he's writing down is how many good shots that person's hit in 853 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:31,240 a hole. 854 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:36,640 Very, or just, Hey, you're on a par five and you hit two good shots. 855 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,320 He writes down to that. 856 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,960 That's a really good way to approach, especially as you're trying to break these barriers of 857 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:49,840 a hundred, 90, 80, like forget that number, I, I hate par on a scorecard because it's 858 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,560 for 1% of the population. 859 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,560 Yeah. 860 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,560 That's the problem. 861 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,560 That's correct. 862 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,600 I mean, as golf professionals, and I don't ever think this way, but one of my assistants, 863 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,800 Scott said, no, we're in the top 1% of the golfers in the world because we can break, 864 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,840 we can break 80 on a regular basis, but we can also break 70 here and there. 865 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:14,080 And most people, I mean, they look, they marvel at us and think, and the only reason we got 866 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,160 here and we were as good as we are is because we put the time there. 867 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,600 I wish people would put more time in the game is the game gives you not immediately. 868 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:30,200 It may take a little while, but it will give back to you if you put the effort in and people 869 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,360 in this world, instant gratification. 870 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,360 I want it now. 871 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,360 They're not, they don't put in enough work. 872 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,360 Yeah. 873 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,360 Yeah. 874 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120 I definitely agree with that. 875 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,600 As you can tell, team, we probably need to schedule a part two with Scott because he's 876 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,640 got a ton of information in his head. 877 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,640 He does. 878 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,640 He does. 879 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:54,280 A lot of wealth of knowledge right there, a lot of history to go through, just an amazing 880 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,080 stories of Tiger and everybody like that. 881 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,080 Yeah. 882 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,480 I think we need to schedule a part two maybe next week or in a week or so, or something 883 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,960 like that. 884 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,960 This was enjoyable. 885 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,080 I enjoyed this conversation. 886 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,080 Thank you, Scott. 887 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,080 Thanks very much, Jim. 888 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,080 I really enjoyed it. 889 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,680 All we did was we touched on Donald Ross, Tiger Woods and coach Jerry York. 890 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,680 We're doing pretty good today, team. 891 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,000 I think we fixed a few people's swings with some mental imagery and trying to stay in 892 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000 the zone. 893 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,320 If your buddy's in the zone, don't make a lot of noise. 894 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,320 Leave him alone. 895 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,320 Leave him alone, man. 896 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,320 Let him have his own life. 897 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,320 That's correct. 898 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,320 Exactly. 899 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,320 Great. 900 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,320 Great. 901 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,000 I want to thank Scott for joining us. 902 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000 Welcome everybody. 903 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,200 Thanks for listening to us here at Dynamic Golf. 904 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000 Sean, any last words before we break? 905 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 I like what you just said. 906 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000 Play within yourself. 907 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000 Play within your zone. 908 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,600 Have a good time. 909 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,360 Keep score when you have to, but otherwise just keep working on your game and put into 910 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,960 it what you want to get out of the bottom line. 911 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:53,960 Yeah. 912 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,320 I think the big thing is it takes time to develop these movement patterns. 913 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,800 If you don't put them in, you don't get them out. 914 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,800 You got it. 915 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480 Last thing I will say, because I gave you two lessons this morning. 916 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,280 The reason why you go to get a golf lesson is so you have a plan. 917 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,280 Yeah. 918 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,280 Period. 919 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,280 Right? 920 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,280 Right. 921 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,480 The reason why people get frustrated, both my lessons were frustrated this morning out 922 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,680 there with me because they're not getting it. 923 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,680 That's okay. 924 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,960 I walk away, they hit one good one, and I said, okay, let's go putt instead of chip. 925 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,200 I still don't have chipping down. 926 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,760 No, you're not going to get it in this 15 to 20 minute quadro. 927 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,360 You're going to get it two weeks from now or a month from now. 928 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,520 You'll get it. 929 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,800 You have to go to the PGA professional to get the plan, and YouTube doesn't always work. 930 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,800 It's not individualized. 931 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,800 Correct. 932 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,800 YouTube is not going to address your issue. 933 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,800 Right. 934 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,840 I want to learn how to change an oil filter. 935 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,840 I'll go to YouTube. 936 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,920 Yeah, or something like that, but a golf swing, no siri bobcat. 937 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,920 No. 938 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,920 That's right. 939 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,920 Good stuff, man. 940 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,920 Good stuff. 941 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,920 Great. 942 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:56,920 Great update, T-Mac. 943 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,920 All right. 944 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,920 Thank you, guys. 945 00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,920 Appreciate it. 946 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:00,920 Thank you, all our listeners out there. 947 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,920 Thank you, and have a good one. 948 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:02,920 Have a good Friday. 949 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:03,920 Talk to you soon. 950 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:04,920 Thank you. 951 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:05,920 Thank you.