So for today's subject, we're going to talk about the Masters, Scotty Scheffler, Nellie
Korda.
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I am your co-host, Tim McElvanagh, here with my main man up in Boston, Mass, Sean Klotz.
Hey, Dynamic Golf listeners.
Great to hear, great to talk to you guys again.
Excited to go through this topic, TMac.
I think it's going to be a great podcast for some of those players and people that watch
golf and don't get a chance to go to the holy grail, the museum that we call Augusta.
Yeah.
So.
How was your experience, TMac?
I know you were able to get up there.
What was that on the Monday or Tuesday practice round?
I got on up there on the Monday practice round and I got to be honest, I did like a little
video as I was heading on up there and I was very excited, very nervous at the same time.
You know, there's a lot of things going through your mind, especially first, it's a long road
trip up there.
I'm doing it by myself and I'm going through rural Georgia.
Sure.
So, you know, about, you know, probably about three or four hours into it where I'm in Georgia
and stuff like this, I'm thinking, wow, this is really exciting.
And about 10 minutes go by and I go, I hope I don't break down because there is nothing
out there.
No, but an unbelievable drive up there and drive back as much as the experience of seeing
Augusta going through the state of Georgia and through the back roads was just as, just
as pretty as well.
It's funny where it's located.
You know, it's in that kind of Northeast section of Georgia, kind of pretty close to South
Carolina.
And like you're saying, there's just basically one lane road, you know, both ways kind of,
I think it's route 25 or something coming off of 60, whatever the numbers are kind of
out of Savannah.
But yeah, it's just like, like you said, farm from church, church, church farm, you know,
like some lumber, some logging stuff.
But then you get into the city and then depending on how you come in, if you come off of 20
from Atlanta, you know, you're basically right there if you're coming off of 20.
But the way that I think you came in is it's like, it's not, it's not a very pretty section
of town, right?
No, I mean, where I came, I stayed in Waynesboro, which is just South of there and drove in,
you know, not to say anything about Waynesboro, but I wouldn't put it on my destination up
there with Orlando or any of those, you know, but once you, you know, once you get on into
it, it is a little, you know, you're, you're using the GPS, you're going there in the middle
of the night, basically trying to drive those back roads and stuff like that.
I tried to get into this, but once you get to Augusta itself, you know, into it, it was
very easy to get into and get out of it.
T Mac isn't that that's even part of it too.
It's changed since I've been there like 2003, 2004, like what I mean by it's changed is
it's on Washington street, which is a busy two lane road with like Walmart and CVS across
the street, right?
Like it's just,
I think 301 here in Zephyrh Hills, right?
You just don't expect that golf course to be behind the wall or behind the fences of
what you're just looking for it to be like this scenic drive and even, even Magnolia
lane, it's literally on the side of, you know, you can see it, you can't stop there.
They won't let you, but it's right off the sidewalk, essentially.
Yeah.
The, the outside section of Augusta is, is definitely different than what you imagine.
I would say like I was expecting something totally different and it just kind of looked
like it was kind of a middle of a downtown little downtown that you're trying to scroll
through and get to.
And there's a lot of vendors and a lot of scalpers too.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And I've seen, so again, we're going to go through a lot of the stuff from Augusta is
just the memories and kind of the unique experiences, how we really hope maybe some of our listeners
have the opportunity to go or some of the guys who've already had a chance to go.
We'll hope to get some good feedback from this one.
But I remember one of my years, I mean, John Daly in his RV with his wife selling his shirts,
t-shirts outside the CVS like in that parking lot.
That's John Daly memorabilia.
This is probably around 2009, 2010.
And he is, he is him, his wife, they're taking Venmo, they're taking cash selling his like
crazy to you Mac.
It's crazy that that was happening outside the gates of Augusta.
Wow.
He didn't have the, he didn't have the eligibility to get in that year or whatever.
Went up, made some extra money, went back to West Orange, you know, down, down in Orlando
area.
So, hey, you know, if that's your, you know, he's got a hell of a brand and a hell of a
following.
So, you know, go where the action's at and I don't blame them.
So you walk, so you walk in off of Berkman's road, right?
That's the main road that they kind of funnel you in through.
And then you said, I think we talked a little bit like, you know, as a PGA member again,
we're kind of blessed, but we also do this as our profession.
So it's part of the reason we do it.
Like you're able to kind of access the one lane that says PGA or LPGA numbers, this lane
only.
And then, and what I want to get from you is try to, you know, give this to our listeners
is essentially when you walk through that little gate, then you start seeing the practice
area to your left.
And then you start seeing the pro shop to your right.
And then, and then kind of, you go a little bit over the hill, you see the leaderboard
on the right, and then you see the expanse.
Like give me that.
Yeah.
What that, because it's chills, right?
It's chills in your body.
Absolutely.
So we'll start from the beginning.
So once you're in line, you know, I'm traveling by myself, you hear a lot of good conversations.
Not that, not that, you know, traveling with somebody is a bad idea, but you'd get to hear
a lot of stories as you're going through the line, meeting a lot of good people.
You know, as you come through, they've got this archway you come through it's, and they,
and they do everything in a very structured way.
They get you up to the line, they tell you to where to stop.
Everybody's very respectful for what they do.
There's a little sign off to the right that says LPGA PGA.
You go on up there.
It's absolutely first rate.
Everything's first rate from the start to finish.
It's just the service is unbelievable.
You walk on in there and they check you on in very seamless, very easy, very, very nice.
You come on in and you see this beautiful little building off to the right.
And you're like, Oh my God, this is, it looks like a Kinkade painting as you're coming through.
And as you come on up, you're, you come to the left and you see this beautiful driving
range, which is absolutely iconic that we see every time on the golf channel.
And then you, you come up around the golf shops on the right, which was extremely busy.
Cause everybody's getting the collectibles on Monday, right masters.
And then they, they did something they'd never done before.
They opened up the course at seven 30.
They usually do it at eight o'clock.
They did it at seven 30.
So I got out there a little bit earlier than most.
And I just, I, you see the leaderboard where the guy's working on it.
And then you, you come across there and it's just, I mean, it's, it's one of those things.
Oh, you know, you've made it into heaven right there.
Yeah.
It doesn't, it doesn't disappoint.
That's the thing you build it up in your head for so long and it just doesn't disappoint,
you know?
No, it actually exceeds expectations.
You know, I don't think, I don't think I've ever talked to anybody that came out and said,
you know, I was really expecting something different, you know, everybody's like, Holy
cow, you're going to be amazed.
It's Disneyland for adults.
Yeah.
It's a museum.
So then where did you go first?
Did you go down to the like amen corner?
Did you kind of walk the front nine or would you do first?
Yeah.
The first thing I did was I made a, I made a beeline pretty much to amen corner.
I wanted to see everything, especially early in the morning with the sun coming up.
And I had my camera with me, which you're allowed to during those days, practice days,
bring a camera, don't bring a GoPro, but you can bring a camera.
And as I wanted to get all those early morning pictures with the sunlight and got on down
there and it's just, you know, when you think of the masters, you know, I don't think there's
any three hole stretch that's more iconic than that.
And you know, right.
You talk to anybody, they're like, yeah, that's, that's what I remember about, you know, the
masters, you know, especially those three holes.
So so when you're first of all, again, you know, we don't have to go hole by hole, but
we could, we could spend three hours doing this podcast.
Yeah.
Walk down number 10.
You again, you've watched this since you were five years old or whatever.
You can't describe number 10 to people as far as the, the, the decent, right?
It's the coolest hole.
I just want to play it.
You know what I mean?
I that number six, I just want to just go and just play it over and over and over again
because of the elevation and the look that you get.
I mean, the look up there is just beautiful.
You're seeing everything and you're going right down into this Valley.
That's encouraging you to play this beautiful draw.
I just wish every hole was like that.
Right.
Yeah.
I don't want to play 10 because I still play my fade TMAC.
So I don't know how, I don't know how I draw it around the corner, but it was a pretty,
you know, you can tell how the players can gain, you know, as you're watching them, they
can gain 40, 50 yards with roll.
They might carry it because they're hitting a lot of three woods off that 470 yard par
four or whatever, but they roll in it 50, 40, 50 yards to some type of almost like not
bottom of the hill, but you know, they're getting that down there.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, I guess the other thing that I found out about 10, you know, as far
as the beauty and the drive that you've got there is that, you know, when you look at
Rory's big nasty hook that he hit there, it's, I mean, it's hardly even a hundred yards.
I mean, you know, the, the camera made it seem like, Oh, it's kind of down there a little
bit, but when you look at it, you're like, Holy cow.
He just, you know, he hit that in the cabbage.
He snap hooked that thing.
Yeah.
And those cabins are, are beautiful, but they're not in play.
But for him on that day on number 10, they were in play cause he hit it that far left.
Right.
And then, then, then seeing Bubba's shot, if you go down, I think you told me you did
right.
And now Bubba Watson hits the shot for the right, the right trees.
We'll call it maybe 120 yards away.
I think he was, but he's dead.
He's got nothing.
There's no way to even contemplate doing what he did.
He's literally going out, you know, almost 90 degrees parallel to his target.
And it's amazing because if he isn't left-handed, I don't think anybody can make that stroke.
And obviously if you're not Bubba Watson, you would never even imagine that stroke.
Yeah.
But it's, you know, you look at it and you look at the hole, you look back at it and
you're like, who had the joystick on that?
That's, that's a, that's a video game thing.
So I think when you start looking at stuff like that, how much these guys are able to
bend the ball and control their distance under that pressure.
It's, I mean, you just, you're like, I have no chance.
Right.
That's a great point.
I mean, you go do that in a practice round, maybe, but to actually have the gumption to
do it during the event to know that, and you know, he had to make that shot that really
propelled him to the wind.
And there's, there's lots of those instances.
That's why it's such a great tournament.
I mean, that's why it separates itself mostly.
I'm going to say for me, but also I'm going to say probably for you now too, you, you
US opens are unbelievable.
Super hard PGA champions.
Really cool.
British opens great, fantastic, but they change courses every year.
So you don't get that consistency of, do you remember where Phil Mickelson was on number
13 when he hit the five iron out of the pine straw onto the green?
Like you don't get that because you, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, there's, there's a, you know, such a rich history to go back to these iconic
spots and see these shots, you know, because it does get, as you say, like the US open
to the PGA championship, we remember the shot, but I guarantee you, nobody remembers the
course.
Uh, what whole, you know, half the time, but you know, at Augusta we've seen it so many
times it's just burned in our memory.
I were a golf enthusiast.
We work in the industry, we make money, we pay our bills through this industry.
I could not name you one of the last five US open golf courses, right?
I just couldn't.
I might be able to tell you who won them, but that's, it's still, I know kept his one
a couple, but like there's not a memory, but I remember Scotty Scheffler.
I remember, uh, you know, John Rom I remember obviously tiger in 2009, like you, you have
that associated with almost the year.
Oh yeah.
Nicholson won twice.
Like you just have that memory in your head because of the golf course, you know, the
golf course and the, just the pageantry too.
I mean, it's always, you always remember the guy that's getting the green jacket the year
before.
You know what I mean?
There's just something about it.
The whole thing just burns in your mind where, you know, like, I guess the only reason I
remember the PJ championship is cause Colin Murr Calif left, you know, the top fell off
and you just kind of remember that, you know what I mean?
Or the us open that, uh, what's his name?
One where he had bird guy run in front of them.
Um, you know, those are the ones I kind of remember a little bit, but yeah, you know,
the British open was John British British open with John Vandeveld making a triple on
the last hole.
Like, but that's not a positive memory.
It's that, you know, that's, that's the thing is most of the time it's not a positive memory
is why we bring, come back to those.
Um, you know, so that's why I like about the masters is that it comes back, as you said,
year after year to a tradition.
Um, that's that, you know, it's just absolutely timeless.
So try to explain to our listeners.
So for me, one of the things when I get back up there and I will get back up there is almost
every fairway is tilted the wrong way for the shot you're trying to hit.
Right?
So my, my examples are 14, 17, which are holes that kind of get, they kind of, because 13,
15, you know, 16 or so iconic 12, obviously 11, 11 is even a one that I could just put
in that category.
On 14, it's a slight, slight dogleg to the left and the fairway is tilted to the right.
Like, and it's just awkward.
It's just awkward enough where you have to be so aware of what you're doing.
So it's not just bomb it, you know, like Bryson, Bryson was doing a pretty good job of bombing
it.
He was, he was hitting some ridiculously.
The drive he hits on 13 on Saturday, I've tried to explain that to people over the week.
You, you understand it now because you've been there, but you can't describe that drive
to people who have not been there to hit that ball over the trees on 13.
Yeah.
Over the 14th fairway into the trees between 14 and 15.
Like yeah, it's just ridiculous.
It's unbelievable, you know, and, you know, with Bryson doing stuff like that, it kind
of comes back to the idea of what Fred really saying, you know, expanding the course a little
bit, you know, but you know, what these guys are able to do, you know, like the shoot at
18 to hit through that.
I mean, that's a, that's a hotel hallway.
Good luck with that.
But Bobby did a great job or Allerson McKenzie did a great job of making sure that you had
the opposite lie to the green that you were coming into.
So if the slope was back to front or right to left, he puts you on a slope that was left
or right.
You had to, you had to work your ball.
You just couldn't rely on the slope to make the turn for you.
You had to have some, some talent, some club.
Yeah.
One of the holes that I think it's miss again, because they don't show it so much, but I
think five is one of the great golf holes I've ever seen.
What do you think about number five?
Like tough.
That's what I thought.
Where do you go?
Where do you drive it?
Yeah.
The bunkers and the fairway are ridiculously deep.
You don't want to go in those bunkers and left.
And then the green is arguably one of the hardest greens out there, which is a pretty
good conversation to have, but it's, it's got two to three tiers to it, depending on
kind of where you're landing the ball.
But it's just not a hole that's shown a lot because it's always back nine and Augusta
type of stuff.
Like you said, from six on, you start kind of knowing eight to par five up the hill,
but five is just such a great hole.
That's just, that's one of those, I'd like to know what the, you know, part, like the
scoring averages over par hole.
It's not birdies.
There's not, they're not making a ton of birdies in the hole.
They're definitely trying to make a four and go.
Yeah.
Number five is, you know, I got back there and I took a look at number five.
I watched Dustin Johnson play that hole and it's an absolute beast to get it out there
to the fairway.
You could hide a car inside those bunkers without a doubt.
I saw one of the guys go in there and rake it and I was literally just seeing the top
of his forehead.
It's great.
And I wouldn't say he was a tall guy, but he was a medium sized guy.
And then, you know, the fall off on the green is just severe everywhere.
I mean, it's just sloping, you know, severely to the left over there where everything kind
of falls off and you've got, you know, you've got to hit it to a perfect zone because there's
little zones on there.
But yeah.
And the slope is, if I remember right, was really right to left.
So you've got to play a draw into something that might take a fade or something like that.
Right.
I think there is.
So again, from 2003 when I was there the first time, because number 11, I'm going to go back
to 11.
Sorry, we're skipping all over the place, but there's just so much cool history to talk
about.
So number 11 was not 515 yard par four when I got there in 2003.
The reason it became that long was because of the tiger effect that, you know, that,
that, like you said, Fred Ridley, they just wanted to, they didn't like when he shot what
it was a 19 under or whatever the number was, like he set the scoring.
Yeah.
He smashed the scoring record.
But, you know, so they, they just tried to make, so they've made, they've made 13 longer
in the past two years because they bought land from Augusta country club, which is an
interesting thing.
I don't know.
You probably saw that behind 12 and behind 13, there's this other ridiculously private
fancy golf course right behind 12 and 13.
And what they do is they, they wanted to make 13 longer.
So they buy part of that property of the Augusta country club.
And, and they decided to make it whatever it is, maybe five 30 now instead of four 90
for number 13.
But number, number 11 is hard enough is my point.
Yeah.
It doesn't need to be 505 yards down a hill with a huge pond near left with no bailout
other than right, which is what you see on Sunday, they all bail out right in that green.
They're going to trip it up.
You know?
Well, the, the big thing is, is when you take a look at number 11 and you look back at it,
you've got this mound of pine trees to the right.
Yeah.
The slope is severely right to left.
And most of the time what these guys are doing now is that they're trying to play this big
massive cut to get up around the thing, which leaves them with a, with a very severe slope
into it.
And then you're looking at this tiny, not, I wouldn't say tiny little pond, but you're
looking at this pond over there that's getting larger and larger as the slope continues on.
So you'll see a lot of guys and I would too, I would just bail out to the right towards
where number 12 is.
You know what I mean?
And I would just, you know, probably chili dip something onto the green and try to three
putt.
Yeah.
That's what I mean.
The trees on the right that you're talking about 11, they weren't there.
They weren't there 15 years ago.
They put them in.
Wow.
And that's, that's amazing.
Cause it just looks like they've been there for a thousand years.
You know what I mean?
Nope.
After about 2004 is when they started planting them and then they basically brought them
in at, we'll call it mature size.
And they've become that in the past 10 years.
Wow.
Cause they just, it's just, you know, that they can do whatever they want.
They shut down.
I think it's, I think their membership only has access to the course for about three months
out of the year.
I think they shut down after the tournament and then basically they're open from maybe
like July through September is what I've heard.
I don't know if you heard anything from them.
Yeah.
That's what I've kind of heard from, you know, through the thing is that they're kind of
open during the summer.
Cause there's a lot of people that have been asking like, Hey, what about another tournament?
But I think Augusta is set for television for, you know, that two, three week period
of time where it's really looking what they want everybody to remember.
Um, and I, you know, and you can tell when you looked at the course back in November,
when they played it in November during COVID, it was beautiful, but it wasn't sparkling
azaleas.
It was, it was, you know, so I think when you talk to the guys at Augusta and Salias,
they would love to have more tournaments there, but for what they want everybody to remember
the masters for is it really only has that window of two, three weeks, maybe.
Yeah.
It's a, it's unique.
I certainly encourage anybody and whoever you can, I know there's the lottery.
I've purchased tickets for a lot of our members in the past or just friends on eBay and kind
of these websites.
I've gotten burned one time by the way.
And so definitely be aware of who you're buying from.
Um, you know, bought some tickets that weren't, that weren't real.
Um, but yeah, it's just, I don't know how you do it anymore because the prices have
escalated so much again in the past 10 years, basically.
Um, well, the one thing I saw a lot of, and, um, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't encourage
this, but this is what I kind of saw a lot of, uh, is people just kind of hanging around
the exits because everybody can go in and out twice.
So a lot of people, you know, you're coming on out and they're like, Hey, are you going
back in and da da da da da?
You know, so, um, Hey, I've got a number in my phone right now to you, Mac, I'm a scalper
that I use every time, every time I'm in, in, in going to Augusta, I'll call them up
two to three weeks prior.
He'll tell me what the prices are.
I'll call them up three days prior.
He'll tell me what the prices are, but I know his tickets are valid.
Yeah.
You know, so I mean, it's, it is what it is.
There's a certain distance that they have to stay away from the entrance.
Um, but you will start seeing some guys, whatever that number is, you know, yardage away from
the, from the entrance.
But, uh, yeah, I saw quite a number of scalpers as I was going to, I think it's Washington
or something like that as they're, they're coming on down and stuff like that.
So, um, but Hey, you know, there again, you're, you're taking a risk.
You could be giving some guy 1300 bucks and get to the gates and thank you.
Um, but you know, um, there's a lot of cool things there.
Um, number six, I thought was great too.
It's a very elevated green or a very elevated tee box, uh, to a green down below, um, that
little area out to the right where they put that Sunday, uh, pen placement.
That's that's tough.
And that's, if they're putting it within, you know, birdie link for that, then they
hit an amazing shot.
Right.
And you say that and it's like, again, like hard to describe it.
Just a plateau on top of the, of the green, like the greens got two tiers, arguably maybe
three cause the top left is even a slightly different tier than the bottom.
But that top right pin where that plateau is, it's probably, what do you think?
Maybe 20 by 20, like where they can hit it into.
Yeah.
I I'd say something like that.
Probably six irons or seven irons.
Like it's not a short hole.
No, it's, it's like 187.
Yeah.
Right.
186.
And you know, this control cut, you know, seven or six iron in there.
Um, and you've got to, it's got to stop too.
I mean, it's not one of those things.
You just kind of land it there and it'll stay there.
It's it, it don'ts off all around.
And that behind it is, is almost an acceptable miss, but then that's a really tricky little
punch up, whatever you're going to do from that grass to, to, cause you got to make sure
it doesn't go down the bottom because now you're making five or something.
If it ever happens to go down the bottom plateau.
So absolutely.
There's just so many unique, we haven't even gotten to 16 or tiger makes the chip.
Did you be able to get down there and see the guys skipping and stuff?
Well, my funny story about tiger is, is that, um, um, I went to go, they said they was going
to tee off at a certain time.
I can't remember what it was.
So I got down behind one green thinking, Oh, I'll get back over here.
So he decided he was going to go to 10.
Okay.
We'll go to 10.
So I'm chucking on down to 10 and he goes on by and I missed him at 10.
They say, Hey, he's a, where's he at now?
And I hear this huge roar and I guess he's skipping a ball over on 16.
Oh, okay.
So I jump on around, go to 16.
I say, where's tiger at?
And he says, he's done for the day.
So I think he only played two holes or a couple of shots and warmed up, but I did see his
caddy out there marking the course, doing, doing his job.
But, uh, yeah, tiger didn't have much of a warmup on Monday.
No, no, it's, uh, he played well, you know, that Monday, that Friday round that he played
27 holes, people don't realize how good he played because that was the windy conditions
and the tough and they had to play 27 and he just, he played super solid that, that
Friday.
But I think almost him trying to make the cut and get that record of what is a 24 straight
25, 25 straight.
I think he, you know, he probably won't ever admit, but I think that meant something to
him.
So he, he put a lot of energy into Friday because Saturday and Sunday he was spent.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
Um, and I think, you know, we got to get to the, you know, when we talk about tiger's
round on Friday and, and, and the wind conditions, you also got to talk about, I mean, I walked
that course on Monday and when I got back home, I couldn't walk for the next two days.
So it's not, you know, it's like, it's like trekking the, uh, you know, the Appalachians.
I mean, it really is.
Yeah.
Um, so I mean, for him to have the problems that he has with his legs, uh, to play in
those cold windy conditions to walk that course is a true Testament.
And if you're not a true golf fan, then you know, find the door, get out of here.
Cause that was, that was impressive, man.
I mean, I know it wasn't, you know, it wasn't what we all wanted.
Uh, but, uh, it is a true Testament of how hard it is to do that.
What I heard from Thursday to Friday of the coverage was basically like, he had like six
hours of, of spacing because he's got to get up around 3 a.m. to get ready for his 6 45.
He teed off at early like seven, seven, seven 15 or something Friday morning.
Cause he had to finish.
So it just kind of gets a bad draw as far as what happens, you know?
Um, but again, that's kind of one of the things we've, we talk about sometimes on our, on
our podcast, like the amount of work these guys put in prior.
Now he's doing extra cause of his physical limitations, but they're all, they don't,
they don't go from the car to the first tee like many of our listeners, right?
Correct.
Or like us every once in a while, not every once in a while, unfortunately is what we
do sometimes too.
You know, we, why does it take us three or four holes to warm up?
Because we're not going to the range.
We're not chipping, hitting cuts, you know, they, they're, they're, uh, he's exceptional
because of what he has to do with his body, but at the same time, every morning, six,
30, seven o'clock, you see those guys out there chipping, hitting balls.
To me as the golfer who's, you know, kind of a pretty good four handicap now, whatever.
I'm just like, you guys know how to hit a chip shot.
What are you still doing practicing every morning?
But guess what?
They're practicing every morning.
I, you know, and I think for them, you know, they're getting a feel, um, you know, they're
going through their routine, you know, when we talk to our clients, I mean, they're, as
you said, they're just, they're jumping in the cart.
They're, they're choking down a sandwich or they're juggling down Coke or something like
that.
Um, you know, the thing I think people need to understand is that how much they prepare,
how much they practice and how much they put into like their nutrition and their sleep.
Um, you know, I, you know, it's amazing.
You know, I talked to some of my guys and I'm like, well, what are you kind of putting
into your body or, or what do you, what type of practice?
And it's just a blank stare.
Like what do you mean?
We're supposed to do.
What do you mean?
You know?
Yeah.
So, you know, the, the, for him to go out there and, and to perform like that, um, and
get his body activated at three in the morning to three hours ahead.
I mean, God, we'd be happy if our guys got there 30 minutes ahead.
Yeah.
We, we, I know we sometimes sound like we're on the soapbox of golf lesson stuff, but it
is like you, you get what you put into it.
So when you tell your buddy, Hey, I took some lessons from Sean Klotz and you know what?
They really didn't help me.
How, how much did, how much did you put into practice after we did the lesson or, or did
you, did you go do like what we told you to do, which was okay for a month, you're just
going to go hit seven irons or less and you're just going to work on the one move and then
come back for another lesson.
Yeah.
And then the instant gratification of the public in general on a lot of things in general.
Um, so yeah, maybe the lesson without being too negative is just if you want better results,
well then put more action into the, into the process.
Basically.
Absolutely.
You know, I mean, work on the small things.
As you said, you know, how many times, even when you're given a lesson, you're like, okay,
I just want you to hit this small little shot and you know, the third shot in there, full
swing and you're like, wait a minute.
You know, you know, so you, you know, you gotta put the practice, the discipline to
practice.
I think that's it.
So, um, you know, it's amazing what those guys are able to do.
And if you want to get to that next level that, you know, what do they all tell us?
I want to be consistent.
Well, those are the things that you have to do to be consistent, not just getting a lesson
for an hour and then, or 30 minutes and then hitting a shag ball and saying, okay, I'm
a scratch golfer.
That or going to the course and you know, expecting it to be in there, it's not in there
yet.
It's going to take you, you know, a month to get in there or just that move.
But, um, go into the consistency, go into that kind of, um, conversation.
It's been pretty impressive.
The last, what six weeks, what Nelly court Nelly quarter slash Scotty Schaeffler have
just done in the golf world.
Absolutely amazing.
Um, you know, just winning like crazy.
I mean, I think if Scotty Schaeffler would have, uh, uh, won that one in the middle at
Texas, he'd be on a five run.
And we'd be talking about Byron Nelson's record.
We'd be talking about tiger's record on, on consecutive wins.
Um, just amazing.
And then you look at Nelly quarter, I think where she have five in a row or something
like that.
A major last week, like, and part of this, so two things.
So the, the, um, demeanor that they have on the golf course never, never changes.
They talk about that with Schaeffler quite a bit.
Um, and, and quarter, like they just don't get up and down, right?
They just, and that's when I play with golfers at my club, when you play with golfers, when
we're working with people, if, if you're going to get so mad, you know what, this might be
a good junior, this might be, I've been, we've been doing a lot of junior league camps and
kind of, uh, we also did caddy orientation at the golf course last week.
So I've been kind of hanging out with call like 12 year old to 16 year old kids a lot.
That's a little awkward as a 53 year old man to say, but in a golf world, in the golf world.
It's acceptable.
Right, right, right.
But you know, even like the, cause they're mimicking what they see on TV.
Absolutely.
Right.
So it's just, uh, my analogy right now would probably be the NBA basketball player.
It's hard to watch the playoffs because of how much they whine every time they think
they get fouled.
Yes.
And, and when you go to a pickup game on the side of it, you know, in a neighborhood and
you see the kids playing, it's similar.
So overall point again, not soapbox, not trying to get on that is if you're consistent with
your attitude and your demeanor and kind of your expectation level and take the game for
what it is, if you know, if the whole goal is to come out here, be friends with your
kids, have a little two to our game camaraderie, that's perfect.
No problems.
Just, but if the expectation as the 15, 16 year old golfer is to try to get to high
school golf and then college golf and then see what happens, your level has to be on
a same even kill.
You can't be up and down because you're, you're going to, you're going to create more strokes
on the golf course and shoot yourself into an 80 quicker than you're ever going to shoot
yourself into a 68.
Yeah.
Well, I think the big thing and what you're getting to is that if you keep that same demeanor
and I've been kind of doing a lot of studying research on this here recently, um, you get
to stay in what we call the zone, right?
I mean, you, you, you get to keep your mind at, you know, basically a good beta level
where it's not too high, not too low.
Um, you know, we, we focus on the process.
We're not worried about the outcome.
Um, you know, the day's a joy, you know, we're kind of walking through everything just seems
to fall in place, the zone.
And I think that's what these guys are in ladies, I'm sorry, um, are able to do is that
they keep their, their mindset and their consistency and their attitude the same, which in turn,
I think just keeps their mind, uh, you know, not racing around and getting panicky and
worrying about the results as much as they are about the process.
Yeah.
They, they, and they, with all that being said, both those players are talking about
and I've seen it in the last two weeks, their short game is if not the best on tour, one
of the top 10 or whatever.
So they never really get themselves into too much trouble because they can get up and down
if they get in trouble.
It makes sense.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And the big thing I think for Scotty Scheffler is I think he always had that, but now he's
starting to see the putts roll in and adios folks.
I'll see you later.
Yep.
His confidence grows and that happens to you and me when we play too.
You know, if we make the first five footer on the first hole, we're going to start feeling
good about making putts throughout the round.
If we miss the first one, we, you know, it may not be as smooth as it might take us a
few more holes to get going.
But I played with a gentleman yesterday, kind of a classic, I want to say like a classic
7.58 handicap golfer.
Okay.
He's one under through six and he always says to me on the six screen, he goes, oh,
he goes, I have not been one under through six.
Almost ever.
And he goes bogey, bogey, bogey, right?
He finishes up two over and I said to him walking off number nine, I said, hey, if I
tell you, you shoot 38 on the front side, are you happy?
Oh yeah, I'd be happy.
But now I'm not mad because I went bogey.
No, no, no.
You don't get to have a bogey.
If you, if your goal is to shoot two more, you know, two less than your handicap or to
break 80 or whatever those numbers that you're trying to do, you know, you've got to treat
it like in the, the kind of, again, as we were talking, those last three holes on number
eight, he had to drive dead left.
He hits his, makes his first bogey on seven.
So he's back to even.
That's fine for an eight handicap after seven holes.
Yeah.
He hits his drive dead left, into some trees.
He's like, oh, I got this window.
And I said, no, no, no, you don't have a window anymore, sir.
Your goal is to make bogey at this point.
There's no more window.
You got to pitch out.
You got to hit the ball on the front on the green and two putt and make five and they
move on.
And he did it and he made the five.
But I think if I wasn't there, he would have tried some three hybrid around the corner
or something, you know,
Correct.
You know, and, but it gets back to what you're talking about with practice.
Even that guy gets into trouble.
If he gets, you know, up to in front of the green and he's working on his short game,
other than the range game, you know, you give yourself, you know, especially like Scotty
and Nellie now.
And if they get themselves in trouble, they don't try to take off more than they can chew.
And I think that's the big thing for our listeners to understand is, is play manageable golf,
put it, you know, 50 yards outside of the green or 25 yards away from the green, give
yourself a chance for that par.
But you're right.
If he would have gone with a hybrid, I mean, we're looking at, we're bringing in double,
triple, or, you know, maybe this is, this is my last little thing I'll say about all
the Scotty Schaeffler, Nellie quarter, mental strength to it is.
And I didn't even know this stat.
I just was watching the last four or five weeks with Schaeffler.
I said to my friend, I'm like, you know what he does better than anybody right now is he
makes a bogey.
His next hole is a birdie.
And I didn't realize he led the tour in that stat, which is literally bogey after birdie
stat.
We usually call it in reverse, right?
We call it the ABFU, the PBFU.
We can't say it on air, but the post birdie screw up type of thing.
Well, we, we call it the bounce back stat, right?
I mean, that's what, that's what we call it, right?
But we know what it is though.
Yeah.
But he does it the other way, right?
Which is that's the, that's what Tigger, that's what Tiger had.
So much better.
And now they're starting to, they see him on the leaderboard in quarter, sure.
I'm so it's the same way.
Like, Oh, yeah.
I can't catch him.
I mean, court is winning by large margins to walking away with victories.
Yeah.
You know, Scotty's doing the same too.
And they're not, you know, the thing is that not just winning like, you know, the Puerto
Rican open, you know what I mean?
They're winning, you know, the Bay Hill majors and, and, uh, you know, the players and stuff
like that.
They're winning at the highest level that they can and performing just admirably.
And our stats show it when you look at their stats.
I don't know in my lifetime, I'm sure it's happened.
I just don't remember it.
Cause again, I said it to somebody this week.
I don't remember when a master's winner won the next week.
Cause typically they take that week off.
Cause it's so much, you know, press media coverage.
You're so invested in that tournament.
I don't see them usually going out.
And he, it's funny cause on Thursday at the RBC, he, he shanked the ball out of the bunker
on and he made like a double, but guess what?
He did the next solid made birdie.
Yeah.
And then I look up on Sunday and he's 20 under par.
And I'm like, what?
How did he, he was two over on Thursday afternoon at like four holes into it.
Yeah.
I mean, he does a great job of whatever mistake he makes.
He just doesn't carry the baggage over the next hole.
And it's just a brand new hole and it's looking for a birdie every time.
I mean, just unflappable.
And there is gotta be some shout out to the caddies to both of their caddies are perfectly
set for their personalities, bringing them along.
That is that caddy, you know, player relationship that Nicholas had with his caddy that basically
tiger had with Stevie.
You know, that was like those both guys are, those guys are both like fired up super exciting,
you know, super excited people, Stevie and tiger.
So perfectly fit for that 10 year category.
Yeah.
But Ted Scott is a, is the even keel.
Don't get, you know, don't get out of your way type of thing.
Keep staying in the moment.
And, and it's just, it's, it's cool to watch right now.
Everybody told me yesterday, it was like, ah, it's kind of boring.
I kind of don't like watching Scotty anymore.
Like what?
You got Larry Bird in your presence.
You got Michael Jordan in your presence.
Watch it.
I mean, it's like watching a no hitter.
I mean, you might not be watching home runs, but you're watching a no hitter guys.
Let's get in and bunker in and watch this.
You're watching something at the highest level that, you know, we rarely get to see, you
know, and when we do, we should get very excited about it.
And so the big lesson for the audience is figure out how to bring some of that into
your game, whatever that is, you know, whatever that piece is that you can see when you watch
those guys, I don't care about his right foot moving.
Doesn't matter through impact.
He's as good as anybody.
He just looks a little different at the end.
Um, but it's a great, it's obviously a very, very structurally beautiful golf swing.
I mean, when you look at his path to the face to path, I mean, he keeps that, that face
square for so long.
Um, it's, it's unbelievable.
You know, I mean, we, we teach, you know, a little face rotation cause most of our students
just leave the face wide open.
Right.
But he does a great job of, you know, pretty much six inches before to six inches after
that.
That club is just absolutely square and just, you know, railroad tracks down the middle
every time.
I like, I like how his arms and a quarter does this to court has got the, we'll call
the more classic, beautiful, you know, simple golf swing.
Um, but I love how both of them, and again, good, good sign of good players, their arms
stay away from their bodies a long, long time, you know, set up wise, back swing wise at
impact wise, follow through wise.
And again, for what we teach from people that come to us, Hey, I want some more distance.
Well, if you want more distance, you have to have extension.
Correct.
You can't have your arms coming, your hands coming close to your body after impact, you
know, before impact, after impact, you got to extend your arms.
Think about the fighter, you know, the best fighters have had good extension with our
arms.
They've never had short arm.
And, uh, that's maybe a good takeaway for our guys, you know, guys and girls to take
away for their, their weekend practice or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, you got to keep the hand path, you know, as I have, I always taught, you know,
keep your hands as far away from your sternum as possible.
Yeah.
So, um, you know, if, if you're, if your hands start, your radius to your sternum starts
getting a little shorter than the elbow start moving in the, the low point starts moving.
Um, so I've always just kind of, you know, kept with the idea of keeping my hands as
far away from my sternum as I can.
And just thinking of width, same sport or a different sport, right?
Tennis, baseball, like those sports are all the same way you, the best servers don't have
their arms close to them.
Like it's always baseball, you've got to get your arms extended to be able to hit the
home run.
So just, just relate that to the golf swing.
If you just went and worked on maybe to tie up all this conversation, if you just went
and worked on that with a seven iron for a month and just did that, you would, you'd
be a better driver of the golf ball by June period.
Like, you know, you, you, it's kind of transfer into the other parts of your game.
Absolutely.
So, well, um, John, um, I appreciate it.
I had a great time today.
Um, I think the viewers got a good snapshot of what Augusta was today.
Um, kind of, you know, some of the little insides and outsides and Nellie Korda and
Scotty Scheffler and their consistency.
Um, so anything you would like to add before we, uh, break for today's session?
No, just, you know, just kind of have a purpose when you go practice, you know, think about
something.
You know, just don't just go out there and hit balls.
There's a big difference between hitting balls and going out there and having a purpose with
it.
So, you know, watch the people on TV, they're up there for a reason.
And then, uh, if you ever have a chance, don't turn it down, get to Augusta.
Absolutely.
So, uh, want to thank everybody for listening.
Uh, this is your cohost, Tim McElvanagh, uh, and my fellow co-host, Sean Klotz.
Great talking to you guys.
Look forward to the next one, team.
All right.
We'll see you guys next Friday and we'll talk to you soon.
Thank you.