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Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf.

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Hey Tampa Bay golfers, this is Sean Klotz from One Stop Golf Club.

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Just want to give you guys a little insight into what we have up here in Wesley Chapel.

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We've got a great facility.

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It's called One Stop Golf Club and basically it's a private man cave or a woman cave depending

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on what you're trying to do.

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It's 24-7 access to Trackman which is a $20,000 machine that you'll see on tour and it's a

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private hitting facility so it is member only.

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We do offer golf lessons and club fittings in there as well but basically for $60 a month

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you book your tee time online on our website and you have 24-7 access.

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You can book a half an hour, an hour or two hours and we also have a speaker in here and

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also the TV which has all multiple channels so just a great way to come in and practice,

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work on your game.

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Trackman has so many different apps inside of Trackman.

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You can work on specific yardages, really get your numbers dialed in from a club perspective.

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There's also 65 different golf courses inside Trackman so such a good way to work on your

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game.

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Also if you decide to have some friends that are members as well, great way to come in

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and use it where you can play different golf courses, you can do close to pin contests,

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long drives.

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So just a ton of different ideas inside of Trackman that you can use.

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Super easy to operate, very user friendly but again think of it as your own private

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facility.

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$60 a month for the base membership and then if you want the VIP membership where you can

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bring in your friends that would be $130 a month.

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We are excited to be in the Wesley Chapel area.

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We've been open since August and had some great support from the community so far.

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Look forward to working on your game.

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Come down to One Stop Golf Club in Wesley Chapel or go to our website which is onestopgolfshopfl.com.

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My name is Sean Klotz, the owner and operator of One Stop Golf Club.

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Alright well welcome back to Dynamic Golf.

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I'm your co-host Tim McElvanagh.

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I'm here with my fellow co-host Sean Klotz.

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Hey golfers, how are you guys doing today?

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So Sean, tell us who do we have today?

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This is a new friend of mine Tim.

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Just met Tom.

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Tom White is the gentleman's name.

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Hey Tom.

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Hey Sean, how are you?

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Yeah so Tom and I kind of struck up a friendship probably about three months ago.

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We started coming into the golf studio and basically started working on his golf swing.

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I don't know his age so I don't want to go with that.

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But he is a great player.

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You can tell just some great swings in there.

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He's had some good pasts with his, we'll talk about some of his past accomplishments

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and that type of stuff.

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But came into me just honestly like everyone else does like they do with you.

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Hey, let's start working on a lesson first.

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Make sure all the dots are, all the stuff is the way it should be.

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But the equipment was a little wrong.

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We had to kind of get some lighter stuff for him.

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Again, kind of a little bit aged.

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We want to get a little softer shafts in there.

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And then he's been doing that for probably about two months now.

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I think we got the clubs in roughly six, eight weeks ago.

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And we'll let him talk about that.

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So Tom, even from that perspective, I know we've got a lot of ground to cover but just

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from maybe, we'll almost go backwards.

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So how have the new clubs improved?

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Let's call that.

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What are you feeling with the new clubs?

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Because you've been a pretty steady steel shaft for a long time player and now you kind

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of moved to graphite.

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So let's talk about some of that.

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Yeah, it's been nice seeing the ball go a little higher with the softer shafts.

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The larger sweet spot is helpful.

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So it's been different though coming from Denver.

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The elevation change, the thicker air.

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So it's been tough dialing those in.

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And so having those new irons really have helped a lot.

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Yeah, we actually talked about that in the talking points that we usually send our guests.

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I think that's an important thing because you play sea level golf versus Denver is mile

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You're getting about 10% more distance.

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That's huge.

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It is.

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You really got to basically change your mindset, right?

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It's never about the ego on the golf course.

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Just whatever it takes to get the ball to go that distance.

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Had you hit steel shafts all the way prior to this point?

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Up until two years ago.

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Two years ago, okay.

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Yeah, up until then I was playing ping i2s, steel shafts for over 30 years.

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You know.

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Ping i2s really?

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Yeah, ping i2s.

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You can tell the audience you're over 60?

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I'm 67.

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So kind of through the ageism you kind of saw your swing speed maybe slow down a little

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I've had some health issues that broke my shoulder in 2011.

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And then I've had a couple shoulder surgeries.

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So as you saw, I'm limited.

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And so getting that a little extra pop, a little softer tip section helped.

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So feeling, it feels like butter coming off the club.

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So not every time.

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But I think that's the thing.

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And we see this team act all the time when we do fittings.

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It's like, you know, Tom was great because he walked in and he said, I don't care.

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He's very blank slate.

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Love that.

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That's the thing.

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He is not tailor-made or ping or whatever.

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He's just open to whatever.

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And we hit a few different clubs.

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And graphite is so much different than it used to be when you were growing up, honestly,

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Tom.

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It was meant for who?

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It was meant for the senior guy, lady, maybe, right?

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Swing speed.

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And now we got, you know, not necessarily guys on tour playing it, but they've kind

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of moved to some steel fiber.

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I mean, you've got steel fiber.

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I mean, you've got Matt Kuchar playing that quite a bit.

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I see the ladies on the LPGA playing a lot of steel fiber.

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So and the senior players, we're talking about senior player.

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You know, and I think, you know, steel fiber, at least that shaft right there has all the

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properties of steel without the weight.

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So there's a lot of great options out there as far as club fitting.

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And it's great that you came with an open mind to, you know, not get geared into tailor

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made or ping or anything like that, because it just makes the club fitting process so

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much easier for Sean when he does it, you know.

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Right.

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So you've done a decent amount of club fitting.

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I know you do a lot of teaching.

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We'll get into that too, right?

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You did some club fitting back in Denver as well.

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Around 2007, 2008, I did a little club fitting.

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And even interesting, like you did it, but then you realized that your passion was more

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teaching.

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Is that a good way to say it?

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So expand on that, like who you teach, who you like to teach, because you have some kind

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of specialization that you figured out.

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I, my wife and a friend, a lady I used to work for, Jill Nelson, they kind of, around

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2007 or so, they were saying, you should teach golf, because I would go play.

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Jill was my boss.

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And she said, what are you going to do this month?

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And we'd go play golf.

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And we talked about business, no business report.

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It was great.

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And so she said, you really should teach golf.

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So she took me into a golf shop, a Delance Golf, met Dan Saltz, the owner, and it was

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a club fitter.

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And he watched me swing.

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We did a club fitting.

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And he said, well, if you want to teach here, you can teach here.

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Really?

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Uh-huh.

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And I said, okay.

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And so I said, well, I only want to work with beginners, really.

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I don't want to work with any single digit handicappers, because I didn't feel like I

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had any training in how to teach and so forth.

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So he was very kind.

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And I would go in on week, on Saturdays, just answer the phone, just to be around it.

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And he wasn't paying me at that time.

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of the week.

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He figured, I can't screw up too much while I'm there alone.

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But it was very interesting.

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And in fact, one day, I don't know if you know the name, Gary Hallberg, he plays on

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the senior tour.

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Now he came in.

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And he was on the floor stretching for 20 minutes, and he's hitting shots.

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And I said to him, don't forget this.

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Gary, I said, what do you do?

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Play a draw, you play a fey.

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He said, Tom, I try to hit the ball straight.

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He said, because the equipment these days is made to hit the ball straight.

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It's not like the old ballotta balls where it had tons of spin.

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You just threw that in, by the way.

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Gary Hallberg was on the PGA Tour, correct?

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That's the same guy.

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He was in the 80s, early 90s.

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So just for our listeners, make sure.

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He's not just a random guy, a PGA Tour player.

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Who for the record stretched, warmed up before he started hitting balls?

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He was on the floor for 20 minutes stretching, doing his stretches.

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And then he started hitting wedges.

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It was fun to watch him.

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And the way he used his routine, even hitting practice balls.

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And it was, I learned a lot.

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And I was just a student of the game.

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There was a fellow at the shop, PJ Garber, neat guy.

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And on his business card, he had student of the game.

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And I love that.

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And I consider myself a student of the game and kind of an ambassador of the game.

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Because to answer your question, I've got, I really like to work with beginners.

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And I coach a lot of kids.

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When I started coaching, I was fortunate enough to be mentored by a felony, Brad Nair, who

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was taught by Bob Tosky.

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And I've had several working golf.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Tosky for the record.

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Go look him up listeners.

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Yes.

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Wow.

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He's a major player, legend, great teacher.

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That's what you always know.

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And we'll talk about Tosky in a second.

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But keep going about Tosky because I'm going to put my two cents in about Tosky.

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Go ahead.

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Brad Nair was?

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Brad, he was my mentor.

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And we would do a lot of junior camps.

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There was the thing called Gold Crown Foundation.

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And they had a basketball program and then golf and nonprofit sports to get kids because

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they were taking some high school gym classes out.

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And so they needed a place for these kids to play and so forth.

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But yeah, so I.

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Did you work with Tosky?

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Did you ever go see him personally?

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Yes.

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You did.

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Brad and I went to come down to Florida, spent a day watching him teach.

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And it was fascinating.

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What a character.

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Really an interesting guy.

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It was just a dream come true to be able to spend a day with him.

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And then Brad taught me a lot.

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He taught me how he was taught to teach by Bob Tosky.

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And so we worked with a lot of juniors.

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We did some Nike camps.

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We'd have week long Nike camps.

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The Boulder did that for a few years.

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And then I've got, then I started actually working for the first tee, coaching for the

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first tee of Green Valley Ranch.

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Wow.

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In 2006.

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Yeah.

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And I still do that today.

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I love coaching for the first tee.

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I love the kids.

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My wife and I have been married 25 years.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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In April.

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It'll be 25 years.

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But we, I didn't get married until I was 43.

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So a little too old to have kids.

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So I get my fix having kids, you know.

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Teaching.

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Teaching and coaching.

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And I feel blessed.

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Yes.

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You get to give them back too.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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No, that's great.

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So, toss skis is my little input there is I grew up in just north of Boston, about 20

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miles north of Boston.

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Dad was a terrible golfer.

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I've said this before.

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Great, great, greatest guy I've ever known.

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But my dad was not a good golfer.

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Lefty, didn't have a lot of strength.

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And my brother is a six foot five left handed PGA member as well.

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So he, you know, he kind of grew up through us.

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My dad kind of lived through us.

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Not one of those parents, but just brought us to the golf course.

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Knew he didn't know what he was doing, so he got us in front of people that knew what

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they were doing.

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And the course that he brought us to was a par three, which I think is highly undervalued

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in today's golf.

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Especially for beginners.

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Right?

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I mean, we're all trying to learn out there on the 7,000 year old golf courses.

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If you could take people to par threes, it would be so much better for a million reasons.

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But yes, anyways, Middleton Golf Force was run by Chris Costa, which is kind of your

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Brad Nair, like my sort of guy that I looked at when I was 13 years old saying, okay, I

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want to be him maybe when I'm 25.

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And then Middleton Golf Course was sponsored by Bob Tosky.

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So he had a teaching center there at Middleton Golf Course.

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So he would come in, like you just said, flying from Florida, do some short game clinics.

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And again, I think when I'm 13, they're all like this.

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And then I realized, no, no, they're not all teaching like this.

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This guy, 10 years later, like, oh my gosh, that was pretty special to be in front of

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that guy and just learning.

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He'd come over and hold your club, no son, that's the way it's supposed to be.

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So really, really cool.

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It's interesting, you know, getting the chemistry that we kind of run into each other and have

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similar stories.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So par three, just playing, because you have some par threes out there.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And that's one thing when we met, I asked, are there any par threes around here?

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Because I have a program where I love teaching beginners and so I'll do a four week program.

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I ask them to pay up front for all four weeks because I want a commitment and I don't do

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it.

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It's not terribly expensive, but it's an investment for them.

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Correct.

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You know, about $400.

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And the first week, like I was taught to teach, we started the hole and worked back.

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And so the first week is putting, we do a little bump and run and at the end of the

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first week, first lesson, I teach grip.

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And then the second week, and I want to do it week, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday,

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or Friday, you know, four weeks, give it intense, you know, not a boot camp, but the second

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week review everything.

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And then we do a little toe up, toe up, weight forward, half swing.

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Third week, review everything, get to the full swing, teach a little bunker.

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And then the fourth week is on a par three course.

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The Green Valley Ranch par three, where I coach for the first tee is the first tee is

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par three.

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It's a great little par three.

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Longest hole is 125 yards.

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And I love taking the beginner students out there because that's the day that we teach,

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I teach etiquette.

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Okay.

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How to get comfortable on the golf course.

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Yeah.

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I have a little book that my wife and I put together.

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My wife put a section, how to be enjoyable to play with.

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Yeah.

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And I teach that how to play quickly without rushing, how to be comfortable out on the golf

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course.

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What do you do if there's people behind you, in front of you, how to make sure your balls

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marks you're not dealing with lost balls on the course.

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But I love par threes.

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And when I was really, back late eighties, I had the bug when I moved to Colorado in

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83, about 84, I decided I want to play on the senior tour.

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Oh wow.

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I thought, give me 20 years, I'll practice hard.

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Yeah.

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And I'll make the senior tour.

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Yeah.

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And that was my goal.

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Yeah.

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And in the summer, there was a little par three about a mile down the road.

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And I'd be at the par three course two, three days a week in the morning, 5.36 o'clock,

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play, go to work.

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I'd be at the golf course every night playing tournaments, amateur tournaments and everything

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and enjoy that.

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But par threes, I tell everybody, they're less expensive in most cases.

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They're quicker.

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Everybody says, you don't have time for golf.

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Play those par threes.

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Well, we'll get into the PJ show.

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Yeah.

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But part of what we've been talking about, T-Mac, remember like the Cabot Farms and the

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Pine.

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The wedge and the slice out there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then Pinehurst, Streamsong.

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You see these companies realizing that what we've talked about too, like their top golf,

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one stock golf club, like people are trying to figure out ways to get non-golfers into

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the game.

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Well, I think there's definitely a niche to get people just not on the golf course, but

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on different turfs, if you know what I mean.

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Like a pop stroke thing.

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Pop stroke.

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Another thing that I'm seeing quite a bit is that they're building putting greens with

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a lot of undulation to get the kids out there to putt and play with lights on out at night.

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You know, because not everybody can be out there at eight o'clock in the morning, right?

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But having lights out there so kids can putt or even bring your junior on out there or

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have a junior camp out there at night.

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They're just, I think that we're in the age of trying to find simulators and putting greens

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and things to get people onto different turfs that get them excited about the game of golf.

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Yeah, fun.

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Yeah, making it fun, right?

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Instead of just everybody used to just tournament golf, you know, let's play a little match

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player, let's just play a couple, you know, for a Coke or something like that.

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And it's just, I think they're trying to find fun and exciting avenues to get younger junior

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people out there.

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I look at it from having my three daughters who are 23, 21 and 18.

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You got two daughters right now, right?

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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But like in your ages or what?

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One and five.

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One and five.

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So they're running me ragged and I'm 47.

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So what?

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Maybe I wasn't too old.

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When I've done like some of these PGA seminars that we've been able to talk about, but like

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the thing about junior golf in today's stage is that you've got to get to them young.

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If you haven't got a club in their hand by the time they're seven, they're doing gymnastics,

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karate, soccer, basketball, whatever.

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We're all five of them.

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Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right.

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But, and all those things, and again, Tom, we can talk about this some more, but even

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the PGA league, the PGA junior league, right?

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Literally the first two reasons why kids like the PGA junior league, because they get a

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uniform and because they're playing on a team.

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And they get a trophy at the end of the year.

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Right.

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When me and you go play golf, do we have a uniform on?

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Nope.

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We're playing individual golf.

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We're playing against, I'm playing against you.

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Tom playing against you.

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But the studies that they've done in the past 10 years when they started birthing PGA junior

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league, the kids like having a mentor.

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So they like having the 12 year old kid with the seven year old kid.

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Right?

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They want to be able to have a partner.

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That's also why they do it that way.

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And then they want to have a uniform that's just the soccer and basketball, all the stuff

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on part of the ladybugs or the-

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Absolutely.

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Whatever it is, right?

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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And then it's the fun.

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It's the camaraderie, the friendship.

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Absolutely.

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They could care less what they score.

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Who'd get great?

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You'd probably ask them after that.

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They wouldn't even have a clue what they shot.

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But they're laughing and giggling and drinking sodas and having fun.

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And, oh, hey, you shot 42.

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Yay, great.

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Who cares?

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Give me a Coke.

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So give me a little feedback from what you saw at the show and what you attended a couple

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of conferences over there at PGA show and stuff.

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I did.

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I did.

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And just to mention about the PGA junior league, I was fortunate enough to coach for PGA junior

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league for several summers.

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And I loved that program.

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I loved that program, the kids.

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And you're right, half the time they didn't know if they won or lost the match.

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But they had fun.

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And there wasn't that intense pressure of playing by themselves.

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That two-person scramble is a real nice, but I love that.

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The PGA show was amazing.

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I've never been to it.

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It was my first, not my last time.

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I plan on going next year already.

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That was amazing.

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We had a coaches' conference, which I really went over there for.

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But the time I got to spend on the floor of the show and met so many people and just learned

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so much, it was very interesting.

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The high-tech stuff.

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There was a pickleball section, which I love pickleball.

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It wasn't one of those five years ago.

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I'll bet there wasn't.

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Right?

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No.

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That's coming.

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That's been coming.

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Keep going.

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But we had Mike McDonald did a great job, PGA Pro.

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He runs the college or the coaches, the high school coaches association.

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And he put on a nice conference for us, a three-day.

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We had clinic Saturday morning before the coaches played Lake Buena Vista in a shamble

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format.

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Oh, yeah.

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But Mike had set up some good speakers.

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A fellow, Will Robbins, I really enjoyed listening to him.

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He actually did a presentation for us this past Wednesday evening to follow up.

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He couldn't get through everything he wanted to talk to us about.

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He's a busy man.

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That guy is a very busy man, Will Robbins.

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He's amazing.

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Oh, yeah.

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24-7, go, go, go.

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That guy.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But he was so kind.

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He spent an hour or so with us on Wednesday night.

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I learned a lot about that I'm going to take back to help my high school players how to

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score.

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Yeah.

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Will was excellent with that.

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And I had never, the way he broke it down, I shouldn't admit because it'll make me seem

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stupid, but just how to score.

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And how to get the ball in the scoring zone inside 100 yards.

510
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,360
I'm going to start instituting that.

511
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,440
We're going to have a little different scorecard.

512
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,040
How many times you're getting inside the scoring zone, and then are you getting down in three

513
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,040
from there.

514
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,880
And so you kind of break it down.

515
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760
We talked a little bit about Operation 36.

516
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,760
I was about to say that sounds a lot like Operation 36 right there.

517
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,760
A little bit like.

518
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,760
So that's great.

519
00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,760
Which I love that.

520
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,520
It teaches you how to score and it's mostly those short clubs.

521
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520
That gets me back to playing the par three.

522
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:13,520
Isn't it funny Tom, you're a three time club champ at two different golf courses.

523
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Qualified for the Colorado Open?

524
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,320
Yes.

525
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,320
Twice.

526
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,320
Twice.

527
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,280
And you just learned something last week about, maybe it just got something in your head again.

528
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,280
I used to do that.

529
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,280
That's how I used to score.

530
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,280
That's what I'm saying.

531
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,400
Like a student of the game type of thing, like you just never, we never stop learning.

532
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:37,080
We never stop learning how to swing better, score better, putt better, chip better, whatever

533
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,080
the thing is.

534
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,920
That's why it's a great, that's why the PGA show is great because it is the conglomeration

535
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,000
of all the PGA guys.

536
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,160
All around the world by the way.

537
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,160
It's not just US.

538
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,480
It just happens to be the biggest PGA or the biggest show in the world as far as I know.

539
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,440
But it seems to recharge your battery.

540
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,000
You know what I mean, you get out there, you're talking with people that you want to talk

541
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000
with.

542
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,520
You come back off to that and you're recharged, you're refreshed, you've got great ideas coming

543
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280
in.

544
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,320
I think that's the big thing for the PGA.

545
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,600
It's kind of like, as we were kind of talking about last week or a couple weeks ago, is

546
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,040
that when you go to a PGA tournament, that tempo, that feel kind of comes off.

547
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,160
It's kind of like when you go to the show, you start to get that recharge of battery.

548
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,360
You're excited about teaching, you're excited about getting back in the shop or whatever

549
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,360
it is.

550
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,880
And then it wears off by the time it gets to December and you're ready for that recharge

551
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,280
day in January, that's for sure.

552
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,880
I think me and you might have talked about this TMAC, but I don't know how the PGA can

553
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,880
do it.

554
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,400
We're just two golf pros here in the area, but they've got to somehow allow the public

555
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,040
to have more access to it.

556
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,040
Absolutely.

557
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,220
Because it's great that we're getting to it and we're able to be either through PGA family

558
00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:48,440
or we can bring some guests or whatever.

559
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,320
But I know the vendors are tired by Friday, but there's got to be a day where, to me,

560
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,760
Tom, what I said was Saturday, the vendors should be there one more day.

561
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,760
I don't care.

562
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,840
I'll go over and volunteer to be in front of the Callaway booth or whatever.

563
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520
It don't matter, right?

564
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,960
And $10 admission and guess what?

565
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
All that money goes to junior golf or whatever you want it to go to.

566
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,240
But it could be a huge fundraiser.

567
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,200
It could benefit golf or supposed to be the whole PGA tour is a fundraising avenue.

568
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,360
I think the big thing is it would give people an idea a little bit more of what the PGA

569
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,840
Pro does, what behind the scene is.

570
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,360
I think that, not to say that the PGA has lost its luster a little bit, but I think

571
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:37,280
people kind of get lost with PGA Tour, PGA of America.

572
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,400
So I think if you can kind of invite the public into whatever you're doing, especially Demo

573
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,840
Day, I think they would go absolutely nuts over Demo Day.

574
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,600
And I think more of the vendors would come back to that because there would be more people

575
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,600
there.

576
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,600
And I think-

577
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,600
They could sell more stuff.

578
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Yeah, absolutely.

579
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Right now, when I went over, you went over on Tuesday?

580
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600
No, I had to get my band fixed.

581
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,600
That's fine.

582
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,600
But I went over on Tuesday.

583
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,880
You didn't make it either, right, for Demo Day?

584
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,560
It was so small compared to other years.

585
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,560
Why don't you tell us how long the wait was to get in?

586
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,200
Well, an hour and a half because the computer broke down and they can't figure out how to

587
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,200
do stuff without a computer.

588
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,200
But anyways, that's true.

589
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,600
But comparatively, it was so small because Callaway and TaylorMade were not there.

590
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,440
Tidal, Mizuno, Cobra, I think I saw Strix on Cleveland.

591
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,440
But point being, the companies are COVID after COVID.

592
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Hey, you know what?

593
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600
I don't need to go there anymore.

594
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,120
I don't need to go to the Demo Day because we're going to do it on social media.

595
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,120
Like me and you went to the demo to the Callaway-

596
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:35,120
Callaway thing.

597
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:41,480
And it was so specific, again, only PGA members could go to that introduction of the new launch

598
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,960
product back in December we went to.

599
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,480
So we're privileged to be able to go to that.

600
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,120
And we brought the ideas back to our members and talked about it.

601
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:56,160
But they're, I don't want to say the word arrogant, but they're getting pretty arrogant.

602
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,760
They don't need to spend the money like they used to to come to these huge events and talk

603
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,760
to the pros.

604
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,400
And we're selling your stuff.

605
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,880
Well, I don't understand why the PGA is so willing to support these guys when they're

606
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520
not willing to support us.

607
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520
You know what I mean?

608
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,800
They might not have a lot of people coming there, but Callaway or TaylorMade should be

609
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,040
there to support the PGA of America.

610
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,600
You know, I mean, we're the ones pushing their product to their players or to their public.

611
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,360
So I think, you know, it's a little bit scratch my back, scratch your back.

612
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,120
You might not like doing it, but do it anyway.

613
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,120
But that's me.

614
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,120
All right, we'll get back to you.

615
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,120
Anyway, back to JuniorDoll, right?

616
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,120
You and I are the JuniorDolls.

617
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,120
Sorry, Tom.

618
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,120
We can get on tangents like this sometimes.

619
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,120
It's okay.

620
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,120
I love it.

621
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,120
Hey, talk to us a little bit.

622
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:48,600
You brought your book and kind of your guidelines and sort of like you go through, you've kept

623
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,640
record, you've golfed in record as the name of the book, which is cool.

624
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,320
And essentially, I think it's a great, I wish we had some more video to show people, but

625
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,320
what have you done with this?

626
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,320
And pick out a page in a day and tell us what you did.

627
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,320
Yeah.

628
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,360
Well, it's like a golf diary, golf diary book and a hardbound book.

629
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,240
And I opened to July 15th, 1990.

630
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,380
I played in a couple of men's clubs.

631
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:17,280
That's really where my tournaments and that's where I won tournaments.

632
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,000
I was fortunate enough to play in the Colorado Open back in the day where you had to have

633
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,760
a 2.4 handicap or lower.

634
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,840
I think today it's 1.8.

635
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,760
The quality has gotten much better.

636
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,040
I was fortunate enough to play twice.

637
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680
1996 was my last time I played in the Colorado Open.

638
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Unfortunately, I only got to play two days both times.

639
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,440
I didn't play the weekend, but it was kind of fun having all the kids.

640
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,440
Well, we have good players in the world.

641
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Oh my gosh, it was unbelievable.

642
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,440
It was a great experience.

643
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,560
It was a bucket list type thing.

644
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,460
It was a goal when I, you know, one of the goals I set to play in the Colorado Open.

645
00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:56,440
It was just a thrill having a guy walking, carrying my bag with my name on it back.

646
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Yeah.

647
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,440
Yeah, that was cool.

648
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,520
But I had a lot of fun playing amateur golf and this one was Meadow Hills President's

649
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Cup.

650
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,320
I won that tournament and I shot a 71.

651
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,400
So on this one page it shows the scorecard so I write out the par and what I made on

652
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,520
each hole.

653
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Sometimes I'll make notes on a club that I hit or how I played a hole.

654
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,640
I chipped in on number four for birdie, made putts on, da da da.

655
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,840
And so this gives me, especially as I got older and I've had some slumps, I've had

656
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,120
some ups and downs, I've had this demons in my head as we all have in this game and

657
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,120
I've had ups and downs.

658
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,600
I've walked away from the game and whenever I feel like a real chump, you know, I'll

659
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,200
get this out and I'm like, man, yeah, I used to play pretty darn good.

660
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:57,560
And now I found myself enjoying the game again, the last few years I had some stretch as I

661
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,560
mentioned with my tremor that just killed my game.

662
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Because I was on track, I thought, man, when I started getting serious about the game,

663
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,800
I started tracking my handicap.

664
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:18,920
I was about an eight in 1984 and then by the end of October 1990 I was scratch.

665
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,080
And so I kept track of that, there's a history of my handicap in there.

666
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Where do you get these little books or what is this?

667
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:32,560
This was a gift years ago from my parents and it's a neat little thing.

668
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:38,960
And then I got tired of doing as much, I got a little, I kept newspaper clippings and you

669
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,000
know, it's fun to look back and see some of the names, some of these guys that are playing.

670
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Jonathan Kay played on tour for a number of years, one on tour and it was fun to see a

671
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,600
couple of the clippings with my name above his on the leaderboard.

672
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,600
Oh yeah.

673
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,600
What year was that?

674
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,480
What was that page that you just pulled out?

675
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,480
What's?

676
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,480
Ninety one.

677
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,480
Ninety one, yeah.

678
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,480
The Publinks.

679
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,840
So just my little two cents in TMAC, throw yours in here too.

680
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,160
When I do playing lessons with people, right, or you just go out and play, you're trying

681
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,120
to play your own ball, but invariably, hey, if you see anything in my swing, just let

682
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,120
me know.

683
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Oh yeah.

684
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,120
I'm just trying to work on my own game, Mr. Moody.

685
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,120
I got my own stuff going on, right?

686
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Right.

687
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,160
And then they'll see stuff and I do this with the high school kids a lot.

688
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,640
So when we coached high school, I would do this a lot.

689
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Basically, and you can, this goes for all golfers, right?

690
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,760
So if I'm going to do a playing lesson, I want to know your fairways, your greens, your

691
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,880
up and downs and your putts.

692
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Four things, really simple to figure out.

693
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,560
I want to know if you're in the fairway.

694
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,000
I want to know how many greens you hit in regulation.

695
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,840
I want to know your up and down percentage.

696
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Now you figure out the yardage, if that's 20 yards away or if that's 15 yards away or

697
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,320
maybe you're 30 yards away, whatever the number is, decide, okay, I'm a pretty skilled player.

698
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280
I feel like I should get up and down from 30 yards away.

699
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,280
Great.

700
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,480
If you're a 15 handicap, you're probably going to be 15 yards away to have that number,

701
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,480
right?

702
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,880
And that percentage, and then your putts, because we all know you can have 35 putts

703
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,040
and you could have hit a lot of greens and still shoot 72.

704
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,600
Or you could have 35 putts and 0 for 7 up and downs.

705
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Correct.

706
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,560
It really starts giving you some, and I mean there might be other numbers you want to go,

707
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:26,920
but let's get to the basics because, and what I've seen lately, so Valerie Cole was one

708
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,520
of my high school golfers that she played some college golf in Alabama.

709
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,920
When the University of Tampa golf coach, the girls golf coach, Missy Jones came down and

710
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,320
evaluated Valerie, she didn't really care what her scoring average was.

711
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,960
She wanted to know how many greens and regulation you hit, and Valerie couldn't answer it.

712
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,320
You know, how many putts, what's your putt per average or per round?

713
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,080
What do you get up and down?

714
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,400
They want those numbers because you can score different ways is the point.

715
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Correct.

716
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,240
There's your consistent ball striker, and it just helps all of us.

717
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800
We all think we need to hit it further with driver.

718
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Not really.

719
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Not if you're hitting in the center.

720
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Well, think about most of our lessons.

721
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,800
Everybody comes to us and wants a full swing lesson instead of a short game lesson.

722
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:12,800
What's the object of the game?

723
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Put the ball in the hole.

724
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,120
So yeah, absolutely get a foundation.

725
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,160
So T-Mac, what would you, I guess, in your playing lesson thing, what would you sort

726
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,040
of focus on?

727
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,360
Basically the same things that what you did right there.

728
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,960
That's the foundation of beginning golf.

729
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
That and the grip, stance and posture.

730
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Having where you stand, having a real idea of what you're doing instead of this.

731
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,480
Because I'll be honest with you, golfers, we can put fallacies in our head and think

732
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,040
that we're better than what we are.

733
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,600
I don't need to work on putting.

734
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,600
I don't need to work.

735
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,480
I mean, how many times I get, my short game gets me around all the time.

736
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,480
I'm like, well, what did you shoot?

737
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,480
I shot 110.

738
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640
I think we could spend a little time on the short game there.

739
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
But it's tough to convince people of that.

740
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,960
But if they keep a track of their numbers, like you said, something like this, you can

741
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,160
revert back to it and you can look and see and chart your progress.

742
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,040
And then you're going to start seeing the scores lower and you're going to have some

743
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,560
correlation of why those scores are coming down and not just because God came down and

744
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,720
anointed me to that day.

745
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,880
So at least you have some idea of what you're doing and you're tracking your stats, which

746
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,880
is important.

747
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880
Tom, I'm going to let you talk again, I promise.

748
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Sorry.

749
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,880
No.

750
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,880
This is great.

751
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,120
I've been playing in 23 or 24 now.

752
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,400
There are plenty of apps that track those things.

753
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,400
Yeah.

754
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,400
Right.

755
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,640
And now I get a little frustrated when I play with the guy who after the end of the hole,

756
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,040
he's putting it all in his, you know, like he's putting it in his five and okay, did

757
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,040
I hit the green regulation?

758
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,040
No.

759
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,200
Like he's putting in all the stats and we're just trying to go to the next hole.

760
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,480
So technology is great because it's kind of made it electronic instead of Tom's golfing

761
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,720
record book, which I love.

762
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,440
I think that's a great thing.

763
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,040
But even, you know, this like, he's not the first one to have this.

764
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,080
Sam Snead was doing this back in 1953.

765
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,240
Like they were tracking their information because they knew what they had to work on.

766
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,800
So there's, there's different ways to do it is my point.

767
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,760
I don't care if you just, you know, basic, like I said, those four numbers, but you got

768
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,240
to have something, some baseline to know what to go work on.

769
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:20,240
Right.

770
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:21,240
So now go ahead and let you talk again.

771
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:22,240
Sorry.

772
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:23,240
Yeah, no.

773
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:29,440
So the coaches at the PGA show at the coaches conference, we've got a lot of stats and a

774
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:36,200
percent of putts made distance three foot pros are making 96 zero handicappers making

775
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,560
93 and that guy shooting in the nineties is making 84.

776
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Yep.

777
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Big percentage right there.

778
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:48,640
You know, and then shots from, from 75 yards and in distances, the zero handicappers 30

779
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,360
foot, you know, they go through this and they break down these analytics.

780
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,360
Yes.

781
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,040
Breaking down what's where there's that total number coming from.

782
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:04,040
And one of the, you know, the, the, the putting especially, you know, the easiest way to reduce

783
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,800
your score is to become a better putter.

784
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,920
And just seeing it, you know, everybody knows that.

785
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,360
And as you know, teachers, we know, Hey, who's what you want to work on?

786
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,920
But everybody wants to work on the driver and it's how to score.

787
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,440
And that's coming back to that par three stuff, I love getting people on par threes.

788
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,160
I think that's so helpful.

789
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,160
But even other sports, I mean, Belichick, right?

790
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,160
He didn't get it.

791
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,360
He hasn't gotten a job offer yet.

792
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Bill Belichick won six Superbowl or nine something between the Giants and the Patriots won nine

793
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,120
maybe.

794
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Right.

795
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
I mean, there's a reason why they're going with younger coaches because of analytics

796
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,760
and they can evaluate stuff better.

797
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,440
And then Greg Popovich with the San Antonio Spurs has got the number one player in the

798
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,440
world.

799
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,620
They keep losing.

800
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:51,620
He's a little bit hard headed.

801
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:57,120
Like I'm just, I like the, it's, it's, it's, uh, it doesn't matter which sport, but you

802
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,520
start seeing the younger like Mike McDaniel.

803
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,120
I think that's the guy's name from the, uh, from the Miami Dolphins that coach.

804
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,120
Yeah.

805
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Very analytical.

806
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Very, very, and very cool.

807
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Very inventive.

808
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Like Andy Reed's very inventive.

809
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,880
Like they take the percentage of, Hey, I can throw a five yard pass at this corner or

810
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,320
I can throw a 15 yard pass.

811
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,800
But like you just said, with the stats of the putting the five yard pass three times

812
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,280
is going to get you 15 yards.

813
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Correct.

814
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,280
So let's just do that.

815
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,280
Right.

816
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280
Why would we run the ball into the line?

817
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Well, even now when you watch the football games, they're like, well, the analog stay

818
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,920
to go for it.

819
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,480
And I mean, let's be honest, four or five years ago, you would have, who is this guy

820
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,480
in the booth?

821
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,000
I mean, what are you talking about?

822
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Let's hunt.

823
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,240
But now you see people going for it, you know, and you just hear more and more just in every

824
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:42,240
sport alone.

825
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,800
Now you're using track man and baseball now.

826
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,840
I mean, it's just technology is creeping into every sport.

827
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,160
And I think it's just going to, it makes the sport that much better and more exciting.

828
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Right.

829
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,480
And I love Tom, the fact that you're 67 and you're not, you're not the old guy in the,

830
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,680
in the porch saying, I'm not going to use Facebook.

831
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,080
I'm not going to use Instagram.

832
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,720
Like you get, you realize that, Hey, I got to get up with the times.

833
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,920
I got to keep up with the times.

834
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,840
I'm going to bring this information back to my 15 year old high school golfer in Colorado

835
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,400
and say, Hey dude, I'm glad you can hit driver 260.

836
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,400
Yeah.

837
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,840
But you need to make, you need to sit there and make pups for half an hour.

838
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:17,840
Right.

839
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,160
And then, I mean, my, my university Tampa stuff back in the day, nine 89 93, we could

840
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,200
not leave the putting green until we made 53 footers in a row.

841
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,200
Wow.

842
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Period.

843
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,200
I love that.

844
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,600
You could not go play golf until you made 53 footers in a row.

845
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,600
I love that.

846
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,480
You made 48, you go back to make 50.

847
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,240
You got to go, but that was the installation of that coaches drill into my head.

848
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,240
Right.

849
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,240
And guess what?

850
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:42,240
You got pretty good at three footers.

851
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,240
You got to that 92 percentile.

852
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,720
Like you just said for the zero handicap golfer.

853
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:47,720
Yeah.

854
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,680
You can't, you just, you know, yeah.

855
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,880
How many times has that putt given in a regular old match?

856
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,920
You know, in the back of your mind, there was a 50 50 chance on that.

857
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,920
You're like, thank you.

858
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080
I'll pick that up so quick, you know, but you've got to work on those.

859
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,200
You know, get the, get the old circle of death.

860
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,280
Like he said, where you put the tees out there and just sun up to sundown.

861
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,520
And I promise you, if you can, if you can do that, the putting just opens up because

862
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,920
all you're doing is just trying to get inside that circle or that wheelbarrow.

863
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,800
And then it's just, it really takes pressure off your game.

864
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,800
Yeah.

865
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Cause then if you're going to chip it, then you're going to have as much pressure to chip

866
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,200
it so close.

867
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Cause you know, you're going to make a five footer, right?

868
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,200
Right.

869
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,160
So it just changes the whole dynamic of what you're trying to do.

870
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:33,000
So it doesn't have to be, yeah, we want it to be 15 feet from 150 yards, but maybe it's

871
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,920
20 feet, but I know I'm going to to put it.

872
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Yeah.

873
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,920
And again, sorry, Tommy.

874
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Yeah.

875
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,920
No, no, no.

876
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Good enough.

877
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,600
We went to the Callaway, we went to this Callaway, uh, uh, drink the Kool-Aid new product demo

878
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,600
launch type of thing.

879
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Right.

880
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,520
And one of the stats that they use was on their new AI putters, literally John Rom,

881
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,520
what was it?

882
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,520
Six million dollars more?

883
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Like something.

884
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Yeah.

885
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,520
It was outrageous.

886
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,720
And they have stat six million dollars more last year if you use the AI putter because

887
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,200
of the way that the AI putter again drink the Kool-Aid if you want to.

888
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Right.

889
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Would gear, gear effect old school term, right?

890
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Would gear effect the ball closer to the hole on 30, 40, 50 footers.

891
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,120
So it wouldn't have had as many three putt percentages as he did.

892
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Wow.

893
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,840
Speed control would be 20% closer to real.

894
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,720
And you know this for playing this turn of thought, you get me two, two, two strokes

895
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,200
better over 72 holes.

896
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,200
Oh my God.

897
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,640
That is made six million dollars over a year.

898
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Yeah.

899
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,640
Wow.

900
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Unbelievable.

901
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,640
So the point being like you were doing in 1991 and prior, keep your stats.

902
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Yes.

903
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,640
And keep your stats.

904
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,760
It tells you what you need to work on.

905
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,640
In my case it's kind of an ego booster a little bit or one of those, hey, don't give up.

906
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,640
You can do it.

907
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Yeah.

908
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Because we all go through ups and downs in this game and that's what makes it such a

909
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,120
special game.

910
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,120
Yeah.

911
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,040
The last point I want to make on the three footer, how tall are you?

912
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,040
I'm eight.

913
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,080
How much do you weigh?

914
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,080
163.

915
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Who's going to hit it further?

916
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Sure.

917
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Right.

918
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,560
I'm six foot two, 225.

919
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,920
I'm probably going to hit it further.

920
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,920
Yeah.

921
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Can we both make three foot putts?

922
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Absolutely.

923
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,920
All day long, right?

924
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Absolutely.

925
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Can we both chip it?

926
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,920
Yep.

927
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Yep.

928
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:20,400
That's why the game is also so unbelievably cool because yes, you know, Kyle Berkshire,

929
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,200
who was specifically designed and done everything he can to hit the ball 450 yards.

930
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,200
Smash them off.

931
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,200
Right?

932
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,120
He's worked out, he's done supplements, whatever.

933
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,240
He's designed his approach to hit the ball far.

934
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,880
But him and Tom Kite, I'm going to go back in the day, or Corey Pavin back in the day,

935
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,520
or Gary Hallberg will go really back in the day, or Gary Player, you keep going.

936
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Like these guys were not big people.

937
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,720
They've gotten bigger since Tiger, we've talked about that in some podcasts.

938
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,920
They've gotten bigger, but the three foot putt is the three foot putt and the chip is

939
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,920
the chip.

940
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Absolutely.

941
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:03,480
That's why Pavin could still win a U.S. Open in 1991 because he hit it straight.

942
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,360
He didn't hit it as far as those guys, Freddie and Davis Levin, those guys, but he could

943
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,360
hit it straight.

944
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,260
It's funny if you go back now to where he was, and they've gone back to where it was,

945
00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:17,480
they say that most of the pros hit about a seven iron there now.

946
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Instead of a five iron.

947
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,480
Instead of a five iron.

948
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,480
So think about that.

949
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,880
When you're talking about a complete low scoring iron to somebody hitting a wood, onto the

950
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,880
thing.

951
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,760
I find that amazing, that stat.

952
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Nowadays they're hitting seven irons, 220, 30 yards now, where he had to hit a five when

953
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440
he barely got it up there too.

954
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,800
It's everything to get it up there.

955
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,800
I think it's great.

956
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,800
It's a great game.

957
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,280
Before we end, Tom, if you don't mind, you were gracious enough to talk about this, maybe

958
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,640
expose yourself a little bit with some of your medical history.

959
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,760
I think that's an important factor to bring into the golfers that we have, some of our

960
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,560
senior players, and how you've adapted your game and said, okay, well, I'm not going to

961
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,560
quit.

962
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,120
I'm just going to get a heavier putter or whatever.

963
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,360
So go ahead and just talk on some of that topic.

964
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,400
It was life changing back in the late 90s.

965
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Like you say, I played in my last Colorado Open in 96, and then a year or so after that,

966
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,840
I was playing in a tournament and I'm looking down at my putter and my putter is vibrating.

967
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,640
I'm like, what's going on?

968
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,640
I'm not nervous.

969
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,840
I mean, I played a lot of tournaments.

970
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,680
I wasn't nervous, but my putter was shaking.

971
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,440
And so I let it affect me for a while.

972
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,280
And then I finally went to the doctor and I went to two doctors.

973
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,000
Same day, they both said that I have what's called a benign essential tremor.

974
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,880
I talked to my father and he says, yes, I have a benign essential tremor.

975
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Apparently there's a category or a family of tremors called essential tremors.

976
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:51,880
Anyway, it's not pre Parkinson's, thank the good Lord, but it ruined my game.

977
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200
I couldn't make a three footer.

978
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,200
I was blading or chunking wedges.

979
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,680
In all honesty, it still haunts me to this day.

980
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,720
I'll never get rid of it, but they gave me beta blockers, which slows your heart rate

981
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,420
down, which I didn't want to take those.

982
00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:11,720
But when I started teaching and working with Brad and there, he helped me go to the ball

983
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,840
quicker, not stand over it.

984
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,480
As you stand and you're looking at something shaking, that's not a good, you know, that's

985
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,480
not good for the one.

986
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,000
And he would say, Bobby Jones said, Hey, you know, an athlete, an athlete is never static.

987
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,160
You know, how many times do you see a guy standing still over a golf shot?

988
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,120
You know, the good ones don't, they're going like we've talked about the quicker pre shot

989
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,080
routine is so important.

990
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,040
So it was a, it was a struggle.

991
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,560
And you know, like I say, I played a club championship before I started to teach.

992
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,080
And I played a club championship, two day tournament where I would take the club back.

993
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
I was like Charles Barkley.

994
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080
I would joke with my buddies.

995
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,320
I'm like, guys, I'm just trying to time the seizure.

996
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,160
And it was embarrassing.

997
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,040
And I would take the club back and they would go start slowing and it'd be 90 to a hundred

998
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,440
miles an hour and a split second.

999
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,120
It was terrible.

1000
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,320
And I would take the club back in this two day tournament.

1001
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,320
I would take the club back to the top, bring it down and like pump on the third pump, I'd

1002
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,000
hit the ball.

1003
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,920
I played two rounds like that, shot around 80 both days.

1004
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,600
And that was a little embarrassing.

1005
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:27,600
But the help that Brad gave me and coached me to get to it quicker, focus on target.

1006
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,600
Focus target.

1007
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,200
When I can focus target takes me out of my head and I'm the athlete again.

1008
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,440
And so I've been blessed in a lot of ways.

1009
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,000
You know, I tell folks, you know, I've won some tournaments, had some hole in ones.

1010
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
13 I think, right?

1011
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
11.

1012
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Okay, sorry.

1013
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
I just want to make sure it wasn't a zero.

1014
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
I'm still on zero.

1015
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000
I'm still on zero.

1016
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,920
Well, before we were on the par three at Green Valley, which I play about 40 times a summer.

1017
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,000
That's great.

1018
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,520
But I played a lot of tournaments and had a lot of fun, a lot of success on the golf

1019
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,520
course.

1020
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,280
But I never got goosebumps playing golf.

1021
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,720
And I'd get goosebumps when I teach or help somebody out.

1022
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,440
I know you guys have seen it.

1023
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,340
Somebody hits a shot and their eyes bug out and you see a smile on their face or they

1024
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:15,240
look over at you like, you saw that too, right?

1025
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,240
We both saw that.

1026
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,240
Yeah.

1027
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,240
And yeah, we both saw it.

1028
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,240
You did that.

1029
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,240
And I get goosebumps.

1030
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,080
And so I think the Lord put me in the right place.

1031
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,080
That's cool, man.

1032
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,080
That's cool.

1033
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Well, hey, I've got to say, I commend you on your courage to go out there in a tournament

1034
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,960
when you're struggling.

1035
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,000
I mean, even when I'm playing well, I don't even want to play in a tournament because

1036
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,320
I'm afraid I'll get embarrassed.

1037
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,680
But I think that's amazing.

1038
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:36,680
That's great courage right there.

1039
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,680
Thank you.

1040
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,360
So Tom, thank you for your time.

1041
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Thank you so much.

1042
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,360
We appreciate it.

1043
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,480
Once again, thank you again for listening.

1044
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Your co-host, Tim McElvanna with...

1045
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Hey, guys.

1046
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,320
Again, Tom, thanks for coming out.

1047
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,320
We really, really appreciate it.

1048
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,320
My pleasure.

1049
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,320
Thanks for coming in your time.

1050
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,640
We might have another golf etiquette one where we can do just a straight golf etiquette.

1051
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Yeah.

1052
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,240
That might be one we do in the near future because I think that's an underutilized topic.

1053
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,240
Absolutely.

1054
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,240
That we see every day on golf courses.

1055
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:04,240
But this is great.

1056
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,000
This is really cool to meet you and talk more in depth.

1057
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,000
Thank you.

1058
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Yep.

1059
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Yep.

1060
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Thank you, guys.

1061
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Appreciate it.

1062
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Thank you, John.

1063
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Appreciate it.

1064
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Yep.

1065
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Enjoy this.

1066
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Good.

1067
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:26,840
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1068
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,160
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1069
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,760
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1070
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,440
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1071
00:46:37,440 --> 00:47:02,600
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