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So welcome back everybody, welcome back to Dynamic Podcast.
I'm your co-host Tim McElvanagh here with Sean Klotz.
Sean, who do we have today?
Hey Tim, I'm really excited about this friend of mine.
I feel like we're kind of like the smartless crew now.
Like we start leading up to the guest and I'm going to start giving you clues on who
the person is and stuff.
But this is one of my buddies from the Brandon area.
His name is John Catlin.
He actually walked into the golf store probably about five years ago, first time I met him.
And we just kind of instantly hit it off.
Good player.
He's going to be humble and say he's not as good as me, but he knows that he can take
my money whenever.
So anyways, really excited to have John Catlin.
Hey John, how you doing today, bud?
I'm good, Sean.
Nice to talk to you.
Good man.
Yeah, so basically, you know, me and you kind of struck up our friendship just based on
mutual love of the game, right?
You like you've been playing for quite a while and kind of tell us just a little bit of kind
of how you got into golf, how long you've been playing, sort of where you're at now.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd love to do that.
So I got into golf at a fairly early age, I would say.
I mean, if anybody knows much about the Brandon Valrico Dover area, the first golf course
I played on was Diamond Hill.
Okay.
Oh yeah.
Very interesting story about that is my mom used to run those hills before it was ever
a golf course.
So I have quite a bit of history there.
I learned how to play there, but with my dad actually bought me a set, a little half set
of Northwestern Bob Murphy classic golf clubs, little forged blades.
And that's how I learned to play.
I just went out there in my cowboy boots and figured out how to swing a golf club on my
own and kind of just fell in love with it right away.
Yeah.
You know, kind of in and out of it for a while while I was a youngster in high school playing
sports, really got a lot further into golf when I became a Marine because I started playing
on intramural teams in the Marine Corps.
Okay.
Nice.
Thank you for your service.
Yes, thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
And then, and then, you know, I, I played quite a bit for a number of years and I was
a decent player, you know, probably playing to about a eight or a 10 handicap.
And then I kind of got out of it for a while and started doing a lot of bass fishing actually.
Oh, interesting.
And, you know, about three, four years ago, I started getting a lot further into it again,
getting, getting much more involved in golf and kind of fell in love with the sport again.
And, you know, it kind of took a, I'm a, I'm a big competitive type guy.
So if I'm not competing in something, it's kind of hard for me to kind of maintain my
focus.
Gotcha.
Correct.
Yep.
And so that's kind of the way it was with fishing for me, you know, I mean, I was, I love to
fish, but if I wasn't preparing for a bass tournament, it was hard for me to sort of
stay in, stay in the moment.
And so, and one of the things that I had done in bass fishing was I had led and, and helped
run some tournament series of two man bass fishing team tournaments.
Okay.
And I really liked the concept.
And I said, man, that's a lot of fun to be out there with a guy that's your really good
friend.
And you can spend some time together, but you can actually try to compete and win a
tournament and apply your skills against your friends, et cetera.
Yeah.
And I said, there's a way to do that in golf and we need to do this with a two man scramble.
And I, and I built a, a two man golf tour here in Tampa called the Tampa Bay two man
golf tour.
Yeah.
And it's kind of built on that principle.
And so since then I've been really deeply involved with it and just, just falling in
love with the game, working really hard, have my ups and downs.
So yeah, you've been doing the, so this would be the summer coming up because I know your
first event is up at plantation palms in March.
Right.
Yep.
So is this the fourth year of the Tampa Bay two man tour?
I think it's the third or fourth season.
We've had some split series.
That's right.
Okay.
So this will be the, we're running our seats in the whole year this year.
We had run split seasons before.
Yep.
So yeah, we started in March on the 24th and then we run six events from that point all
the way into the end of the year.
And then our seventh series, a seventh tournament of the series is the tour championship.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
I think it's from the, you know, kind of inside and outside perspective, meaning that me and
team Mac have run plenty of golf tournaments and, and you know, whether it's the Zephyrals
open or just running charity events, the David Rudeman tournament and charity foundation
was a big one.
It, you know, some of our listeners know, but some of our listeners don't know how much
work goes into behind the scenes and I mean, me and you were on the first team one day,
you know, like getting ready and, and the guys are either showing up with a different
partner or, or whatever, right?
It didn't show up at all.
Yeah.
I mean, you do such a good job now.
And it's also the thing that I've seen in the three years that I've seen it is that
the following is bigger.
Yeah.
The guys become more, they're spreading the word for you, which is what you want, right?
That's the whole key.
You can only do so much marketing and advertising, but once they figure out that it's a good
event that it's, I'm going to use these words, reputable, honest, and competitive because
there are definitely some events out there that are not those three things.
So yeah, you know, you're looking for the guys, you know, that are, are there.
And the thing I like about the tour too, John, is that the, with the handicap allocations
that you do and we don't need to get on the micro part of it, but, but basically it's
very competitive.
There's different winners each week.
It's not the same winners, right?
Yeah.
That's right.
I mean, what we try to do is, you know, when you first, when you first come to the tour,
you're going to play off of a calculated initial index, right?
Which we base off of your individual handicaps and some formulas that we apply to it that
I won't dig into.
But after that first event, you really are, you're playing off of the handicap that you
legitimately earned in our competition.
Right.
Gotcha.
Yep.
So, so it does make it very tight and it's not uncommon for a half, a dozen teams to
be competing for a podium finish and finish within a stroke of each other.
Yep.
I've seen that almost every event.
That's real competitive right there.
Yeah.
And different handicaps, like those, some of those guys are plus twos and some of those
guys are five handicaps and they're again, because of the, the fairness, you know, equality
that you come in.
So that's what I like about it.
And then me and team Mac have talked about this and in other podcasts, when you're playing
for yourself, there's one kind of competitive level.
Yeah.
When you're missing a putt for another guy, it's so much more stressful, isn't it?
Yes.
Absolutely.
I think, I think we, we put that pressure on ourselves.
I do with my, my buddy Crump all the time and team Mac's got a good friend, his name
is Voss and, and we play in some stuff up here, but it's, it's almost like you don't,
you just don't care as much when it's your own ball.
Right.
But when you're, when you're playing with your partner and I'm sure that's the same
for fishing too, it, it changes the dynamic.
For sure.
Every cast counts when you're fishing at every swing town.
Absolutely.
And you don't want to let your buddy down, right?
Right.
So it's fun.
It's a, it's two man best ball is what the, what the format is.
Two man scramble.
Yeah.
Oh sorry, scramble.
You know what's fun about that?
You know what's fun about this format that I figured out is, is really one of the most
fun parts about this two man format.
You know, most of us who play golf love the idea or at least I don't know what the right
word is, but we dream some days about having caddy, right?
Right.
So let's, let's go out and play a competitive event.
Let me have a caddy on my bag.
Yeah.
Walk in.
Yeah.
All that good stuff.
Right.
Well, a four man scramble is kind of a hit and diggle.
That doesn't even matter, right?
You're buying mulligans and everything else.
But in a two man scramble, it's actually quite hard.
Yes.
Yep.
And having that buddy next to you who's not just a partner, but almost acts as a caddy
to help, you know, club and think through things.
It raises your sense of awareness on the mental game that I think has helped me a lot.
Yeah.
The strategy of it, TMAC, you know, playing two players, scramble.
Absolutely.
So me and you were going to go do that.
You know, I might be the guy who hits the, the, the hybrid down the middle and then let
you hit driver.
Yeah.
You know, and vice versa, because you just want to get a ball and play on the narrow
hole.
And I'm sure that you and Ron have a certain way of batting order.
I would say, you know, I know me and Vaz always, Vaz always goes first.
I always go second.
Yep.
And there's always, you know, it just, there's always a strategy.
There's always a routine for it.
And you're always talking about what, what, what the next player needs to be doing and
helping them out.
Yeah.
It's funny too, even though like putting, so when me and Ron, you know, when we go through
it and typically that's, you know, I go first, Ron goes second.
Arguably, he's a better player.
He's going to, he wouldn't argue with that at all, but no, not wrong.
He would say, but, but, but when you're putting, you know, when you, when you're only, let's
say two under through the first nine holes, you know what you just say, Hey, let's change
it up.
Cause that's something almost like a good lesson for our golfers in general.
Yeah.
If you keep doing it the same way, then do something different.
Yeah.
Martin Hall say something like that.
You keep doing the same thing.
You keep getting what you keep getting or something like that.
Myself personally, I'm going to, I'm going to go left hand low on the putter on the,
on the back nine.
If I haven't made any putts, the claw on the front, whatever.
Yeah.
So yeah.
And just even that mental different approach changes your attitude, your mental part of
it.
Yeah.
You were mentioning putting there.
I thought I was interesting lesson I learned two days ago on the putting green for myself.
I have been struggling, you know, my handicap is, is come down quite a bit over the past
year, but I've been struggling of late with speed control.
And I decided the other day to go out on the green and practice.
And I realized that I made a change in the actual physical grip on my, on my putter a
while back.
Oh yeah.
And it caused me to stop running my index fingers down the shaft.
Okay.
Some people will recommend against this.
Some people recommend to do it, but I think it's all individual and what you're comfortable
with.
But, but what was happening for me was when I stopped doing that, the cutter would load
on the backswing and caused me to slap at the ball at the bottom of the arc.
And it was, I was inconsistent all of a sudden with my distance control.
Okay.
And I realized that it's because I couldn't, you know, the way I'm a very handsy player,
Sean has instructed me before he knows I've had a lot of hands in my golf.
And so it caused me to just overload the putter and, and, and slap at the ball.
And once I put that, those fingers down the shaft, it kept that from happening and my
speed control is coming back.
And that's just because I decided I had to change something.
Right.
Yeah.
It went back to what was not broken before.
So I'm going to ask this question.
I didn't have this one planned.
So TMAC, if you're going to teach one of your, one of your students speed control, try to
try to make them not three putt as much.
Just give me one or two of those kinds of swing thoughts or even approaches to it that
you would kind of get your student to work with.
What I, you know, typically what I do for speed control, especially with distance putts
is I will putt to the edges.
I'm not putting to a cup.
Okay.
I'm trying to take a result out of it.
Yep.
I'm trying to get a feel or a pace or a feel.
Yeah.
And that's really what I kind of do for, for pace control.
Yeah.
And I'm, I'm just three balls and I'm trying to get each one as close to that.
There you go.
Apron as possible.
And I just find that once I get the element of a hole out of it, I start to free myself
up.
I think that's a huge point is that, you know, people on the practice screen putt two holes.
Yeah.
Period.
Yeah.
You go to a tour event, they don't putt to a hole.
They putt to, they throw a disc down.
They do.
You do see a lot of, yeah.
They putt to a tee.
Yeah.
You do see a lot of them playing that almost pool like bumper drill, which is essentially,
yeah, hit it to the edge, but you're going to get penalized if you hit it to the fringe.
Correct.
And that's just a great way to learn feel.
And then here's my, here's my backward reasoning for asking this question to John.
I'm glad he brought it up.
And now UT Mac, if I teach distance control to my students, I tell them to walk the putt
off, right?
To, to measure the putt, take the paces and go figure out your, most of us have, you know,
whatever our pace would probably be close to a yard as we walk.
So if you take eight paces to the hole, then that's 24 feet.
And then if you go to the next hole and you took 10 paces, you got 30 feet.
Great point.
You know, you start having a number in your head.
So my, my point of this, John, is like, we got three different people, three different
skill levels, and we're all kind of approaching the game differently, talking about a little
differently, but we all learn from each other, right?
Yeah.
That's right.
You know, that's, that's, that's what you're saying.
That's the cool thing about the tour.
Yeah.
And that is, is that, like you said, you got, you got a player and B player and there's
going to be the sort of that caddy, caddy element with me and Crump.
We might be more A and A players with Mike Sullivan and Carl Sullivan.
They might be more A and A players, but you know, but you definitely in your pairings,
you definitely see the, the A and B player.
And I think that's, yeah, that's something I try to do is I try to not pair up teams
that are like a higher handicap team.
I won't pair them with another high handicap team.
Right.
For one reason, I don't want the, I don't want the play to get kind of clogged up and
gummed up.
Yep.
But, but it's also really important that those, those less skilled players or less experienced
players are seeing really good golfers move through that hole.
And what you actually see is how much better those guys become over the course of the year
together.
Right.
By just playing the tournament.
Yeah.
And then seeing other players and then you'll be on the key with them and they'll say, you
know, I, I played with Carl and Mike and it was something I noticed about the way they
played.
This was interesting what he did.
Right.
And it does, it is help any, any kind of competition like that.
And I think that's a great point to bring up is that I think for me and Sean, when we
go and watch tour events, it's something sparks inside of us when we come back out and play
and there's a tempo, a rhythm, you know, and I think there's a great learning process for
everybody there, especially for the B player to learn from that.
That's great.
I could just, I could just, I could just stand on the range at Bay Hill for hours, hours,
you know, I don't even, people say you own the Valspar and Valspar is great.
It's a great tournament.
It's a good, great finishing last four or five holes, but the range is not as good as Bay
Hill.
No.
You know, and, and Augusta is amazing just for people that are lucky enough to get to
Augusta, but I just love going to watch the short game area.
Yeah.
I mean, I think that VJ Singh, dating myself a little bit was working on, you know, I mean,
he was out there for three hours at Augusta and guess what?
He only hit 50 yard wedge shots for three hours.
Like, but the tempo was absolutely amazing.
And you take that home with it.
It kind of drips onto your game a little bit too.
So then John, the other thing I, this is, I've encountered in your tour is, and me and
T Mac have this all the time in our events up here.
So you put me and Crump with two other players, absolutely fine love and all the guys are
great, right?
But throughout that, throughout that, that, uh, that round, it will be, Oh my gosh, this
is the best we've ever played.
I can't believe we're playing the miracle round.
But you know that, but John, the reason they're doing that is cause they're watching other
better players.
Yeah.
They're focusing.
They're not playing with their buddies on the, you know, like you said, four player
hit and giggles, scramble, right?
Yeah.
They've really decided to change the focus and they realize, Oh, if I take my little
extra time or if I spend a little extra time reading a putt, they're going to start.
So I think that's a good side side of it.
Well, you know, as the mental game is the, is, is way, way understated.
Sean, you and I talked about this, how much that's meant to me over the past year.
Yeah.
Let our listeners know about that a little bit.
Cause I think it's a great story that we were talking about the other day.
So um, several years ago, I, I was promoted at work to associate vice president.
And as part of that promotion, I wanted to, yeah, I feel like I'm all, I've always been
a pretty good leader being a former Marine and learning all I've learned from what I
believe is the best leadership school in the world.
But you know, always when you, when you reach another level, you're always trying to fine
tune yourself, right?
And it's just like golf.
You're trying to, you know, you're trying to get better at your craft.
And so I hired a, not a life coach, but an, what we call an executive coach.
Okay.
And, and you know, she really, you know, when you do something like that, it's, it's, it's,
it's more like a mental game coach in, in, in golf.
It's you, you gotta be willing to do some soul searching, right?
And you gotta be willing to sort of bear your soul and, and be vulnerable as she would say.
Yep.
And, you know, I'm an emotional person, right?
I, I'm also a fixer and a rescuer.
I have a lot of different traits in my personality.
Right.
Okay.
And she said, you know, what you need to do is you need to start thinking about becoming
a little bit more present and in the moment.
So you can, you know, kind of communicate in the way that you would want.
And it's in various different situations.
Maybe it's a situation where I feel, you know, I'm not being heard or listened to or whatever
it might be.
And, and so she gave me these three, these three mental checks.
I'm not really mental, but they're, they're sort of presence checks, I would say.
And this was early in the year, last year when I started figuring out how it applied
to my golf game.
Okay.
And so what you do is, is, is she would say, look, before you get into one of these high
stress situations, you need to, you need to take a deep breath and, and, and while you're
taking that deep breath, let it out and sort of think about what, what is going on in your
head at the moment.
Take note of it, right?
Take an inventory of what's happening in your head.
And then you take another deep breath and you clear it out and you think about what
you're feeling physically, right?
What are the physical sensations that you have in your body at the moment?
Okay.
And then you take another deep breath and you start thinking about, well, what are you
feeling emotionally?
Right?
That's different than what's going on in your head, but what are your emotions state?
Right?
What?
And take an inventory of those things.
Yep.
And you can quickly go through this routine of just three deep breaths.
And, and, and on the golf course, I realized it was things like just feeling how soft the
ground was under my feet or not.
Okay.
As a physical sensation, I may feel like, wow, I feel a little cool breeze on me or
a man that, that it's hot in this golf park.
And I, and I can think and be present in a moment thinking about that.
The same thing about my mental side is what's going on in my head right now about what I'm
focused on.
Yep.
Do I have a lot of work stress going on?
How do I snap and clear that stuff out of there?
And then trying to check in emotionally about, well, how do I feel about how the day is going?
What am I feeling about myself in the round?
And what it caused me to do, Sean and Tim, is it caused me to get so present and in the
moment that I got addicted to doing this while I was playing golf.
Like I would, I would get a shot and I would, I would either sit in the car or I'd be walking
to the next shot and I would just take some time and do one of those presence checks.
I might not do all of them.
I might just do one of them.
Right.
And it's crazy because early in the year, my, one of my best friends, Jim Prokos, who
I served with years ago in the military, we're great friends and we served together over
30 years ago.
I was telling him how much I was struggling with my game and he goes, man, you just need
to stop thinking about it.
Swing the golf club.
Right.
So I started getting present with myself and my handicap, I had, I was that time I was
like a five, six, it actually climbed up to a seven something.
And from the point that I started focusing on this on my, in my rounds of golf, my handicap
dropped to at one point at 3.9.
Wow.
Nice.
Yep.
No swing changes.
Right.
No equipment changes, no ball changes, no YouTube videos, no.
That's amazing.
The greatest fix of the month.
Yeah.
It's just all in the mental game for me.
And, and, and to be completely transparent and honest, I had gotten away from it.
Right.
So you start feeling the success, you get a little lazy.
Yep.
And I started drifting away from it.
Yep.
And, and so I recently just recommitted myself to being president in the moment.
And once again, because Jim told me to stop thinking about it.
Right.
And when I say stop thinking about it, it doesn't sound like it makes sense to be president
in the moment and stop thinking about it.
Yeah.
But there's a difference in the quality of the things that you think about and that,
you know, thinking about 50 different mechanical thoughts when you're standing over a golf
ball is completely the wrong thing to do.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
It's get, get, get, get to a state where you feel good.
And the only thing you really care about is the target.
That's it.
And, and just relax and let your natural athletic ability and all that work that you do on the
range actually take over.
Yep.
So do you find yourself in like a meditation state when you're doing this basically?
Is that what you'd say?
It's, it's, I wouldn't, I would say it's shy of meditation, but it's just focusing
on being president in the moment.
Uh, and it, it only takes me maybe 30 seconds to, to go through one of those presence checks.
And I might do one between each shot, but it's really just focusing on being there.
Yeah.
I mean, they're not on the range.
I feel like we could talk about this for an hour.
I'll try to keep it to 10 minutes or a couple minutes.
I love, I love this stuff.
Cause John and TMAC, like people come to us all the time, like, Hey, I want to break 90.
Yeah.
Right.
I want to break a hundred.
Yeah.
Well, yes, there is absolutely some physical things that need to happen to break a hundred
or break nine.
Correct.
And there has to be a certain yardage here.
You know, your, your short game has to be a short and short game.
Correct.
But the way that you go, I think the hardest thing is to go from the, from the five handicap
to the zero handicap.
Yeah.
That's, that's the clip in one stroke off per year, per six months.
Absolutely.
And it's these little incremental things like you're talking about, like, Hey, you do have
the right equipment.
You do have the right putter length.
You've got the wedges set up, you know, like all your, all your equipment's good.
Yeah.
Now you've got to, you know, you can't be changing your swing.
Like you say, John.
So there's just such a tremendous, like almost void of this type of thing.
Yeah.
I want to say personally, when I run golf tournaments, I typically run the golf tournament
that I'm working at the golf course.
Okay.
And then I usually like to try to play in it.
Oh yeah.
And I would say I haven't played with you in an event, in an event, John yet, but to
me it takes me two to three holes to even get close to what I normally do on the golf
course before, you know what I'm saying, John?
Like, cause you get all these questions prior to the, to the event.
So your mind is total.
So you get up there on the first tee and it's not thinking about the ground, thinking about
the wind, thinking about, you're totally thinking about why did that guy ask me that stupid
question five minutes ago?
Why couldn't he have gotten his money into me earlier?
I told, I set it up on Facebook.
I've seen it happen to you.
Like I've set the entire thing up on try to give them all the information and they don't
read the sign.
Whatever the sign is.
Yeah.
So it's funny cause my, my, my tournament partner, Greg Aiken, he actually taught me
a lot about how to play years ago when we first started playing.
I mean, he, he was a big inspiration to me, but we're tournament partners now.
And so we're on this in the tour championship last year and the, the online scoring was
not working.
Right.
And you know, and, and so I'm getting texts on my phone at the same time.
It's happening and, and, and we, we were on the green with a birdie putt and I'm sitting
in the car trying to figure out, get your tail over here.
I don't care about that online thing.
Yeah.
You know, focus on your game.
That's it.
It is hard when you're trying to organize an event and also it's just a testament to
not letting things rattle around in your head.
Yeah.
So it's like getting a phone call about when you're in the middle of a work.
I play very poorly at my own golf course because I can't, I can't get rid of the eyesight
of looking, Oh my gosh, why is this guy driving around the bunker?
He just drove over the green, just all the things.
So I play way better when I'm away from the golf course.
And then like you said, now, yeah, the phone still rings.
We're still attached to the world, unfortunately.
Yeah.
But yeah, it's different.
So again, I think there's a tremendous amount of talk about there.
I think the, you know, the, the, the simple things that the, the, the viewers or listeners
can take from this would be pre-shot routine have one.
We've talked about it before, figure out what yours is.
But again, the best players that I play with are not, not kind of consistent with their
pre-shot routine.
Yeah.
They are perfectly to the, to the second with their pre-shot routine.
Yeah.
And I don't care if you're, and again, we play in different formats.
So this afternoon I'm going to play in a little four player scramble, fun event, couples group,
whatever it is, that's going to be a totally different focus point than it is when I play
on the Tampa Bay two man tour.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like the, like we try to think we're going to step up there and do our pre-shot routine,
but we're worried about other things.
If the pace of play radio, all that stuff.
You know, all that.
Yeah.
So, so just that, that perspective of, you know what, have the same pre-shot routine
every single time.
I think I can do that part of it, which is probably the way you described it, John, the
physical part, but I don't, I don't do very well at the mental part because I am preoccupied
with the other things going on as I'm, I'm at work.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
I am at work.
You know, I'm not, I'm not just like these other 70 people, they're just coming out here
to enjoy their day.
This is my job.
So I've got to, I'm hoping that they have a good time.
Yeah.
You know, so emotionally, yeah.
And then the emotion side is, I'll just make this a quick story.
Came in playing in the Zephyrh Hills open eight or 10 years ago, right?
I just, I, John, I just come in for a drink after nine holes, right?
All the players are out on the last group out.
So I just came in for a, for a drink to get a Gatorade or something hot, hot afternoon.
And one of the players asked me one of those stupid, dumb ruling questions, right?
Because I am the tournament committee guy too.
So, but he says, Hey, how come he got this relief when he should have gotten this relief?
That's not fair.
Whatever that thing is.
And I blew up.
Like I literally kicked the door down.
I'm like, ask me in two hours.
It doesn't matter right now.
I'm in the middle of my round and I, you know, like you, you, you need to, yeah, you, you
want to kind of separate yourself.
But anyways, so, so dealing with the emotions and you see this on tour all the time, right?
I mean, Jason day, like his pre-shot routine with his breathing.
Yes.
He closes his eyes, his eyes, visualization.
Adam Scott would, would put in the hand on the grip.
Same time.
I watched him yesterday doing the same thing he's done last 10 years, I think.
Um, how Justin or how, um, Jordan Spieth approaches a putt, you know, he looks twitchy.
He looks very twitchy until, until he goes.
Um, but there's a routine, there's a method behind it.
He's a, he's a talker, right?
He's always talking to his caddy.
Yeah.
That's the way he does it.
It's the way he's always talking.
But then Tiger was more of leave me alone on the green.
Well, Tiger, Tiger, I, I picked up on something from him the other day that I, I'd heard him
say this a lot, but I never really figured out what he meant.
And I, and I kind of did a little research on it, but his routine is sort of a silent
one.
He talks about, you've heard him talk about putting to the picture.
Right.
And what he's basically saying there is that he, he stands over his putt and he, and he,
he looks at his line, he looks at the hole and he takes a mental picture of that.
It's like a photograph.
Yep.
And when he stands over the putt, instead of him chasing the ball with his eyes and
trying to see if it went, he just, he puts to the picture and keeps his head there.
It's part of his routine.
Yeah.
And I was actually struggling with so many mechanics, you know, overthinking my golf
swing.
I started swinging to the picture, right?
Just looking out there at that golf, at the hole and where the pin is, where my target
was and keeping that in my mind while I was making my golf swing.
It made all the difference in the world.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and, and he was taught that at like three, four or five years old by his dad when he
read his book, that's something he's been doing literally since he was four or five
years old.
And then he got what Jay Brunsner, I think to do the meditation at 10 or something like
that.
And that's an ex Marine by the way, right?
Earl woods is an ex Marine as far as I know.
Army, army, army.
Well, I mean, not, not similar.
Yeah, exactly.
But still pretty good.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
But, but it goes to the mental approach that, you know, that you're talking about.
Like you said, you were, you know, you were in the greatest training program ever type
of thing.
I mean, it is it's a, so, Hey, yeah, yeah.
One last question.
How long did it take for you to get comfortable with that routine?
Was it a couple of days, a month, a week, an hour?
Oh, I think it's a lifelong journey.
Yeah.
I'll be honest with you.
I think anything in the mental game.
And again, I don't think this is just this whole presence thing is not just about golf.
It's a life thing.
And it's just, you know, what golf is, is a microcosm of your life.
Yeah.
Right.
It shows how you handle disappointment and stress.
And that's why it's one of the best places to interview somebody actually.
But that, that is, it's just that I had to say, wait a minute, this is, this is, this
is part of my life.
I'm going to apply this, this technique to this.
And it's a constant thing.
Like I, I can't tell you I'm as disciplined at it as I need to be yet, but it's always
a work in progress where I'm trying to do more and more of that, you know, and just
sort of being in the moment and enjoying what I'm doing and, and, and trying to be in a
positive frame of mind.
But it is not the same as thinking about it.
That's, that's the, that's a difference.
Yeah.
Being in the moment is not thinking.
It's getting out of the way of yourself is how you hear some, some athletes describe
it.
Like just get out of the way.
Let your natural tendencies take over.
You've done the work.
You've done the practice.
You've put in the effort.
The people who don't put in the effort, put in the work, put in the practice.
Those are the people that struggle with the breaking a hundred and breaking 90.
Absolutely.
You know, and, and that's the, that's what, you know, sometimes we talk about with some
of our students, like you don't realize how many chip shots I've hit in my entire lifetime.
It wasn't, I didn't just become good.
Like we, we put the work into it.
So let, let just, I know the first event I believe is filled up, but we'll kind of give
people the rundown on how to get in touch with it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Let me do that.
So we have, we, we run the group off of a Facebook group, but you can get there pretty
quickly by I've just redirected our URL to that Facebook page and it's TB Tango Bravo
and military speed to man.
So it's TB two man.com.
Okay.
The number two.
Yup.
TB two man.com all one word.
And that'll take you to our Facebook group and you'll see the schedule there and a lot
of the, the player's handbook is there, a link to it.
And that's how I communicate with the members on tee times, et cetera.
We were trying to expand the first event cause it's full.
I think we're at that's a, I limit the fields to 24 teams, but we're at 28.
So I'm trying to expand that field out a little bit on that 21 on the 24th of March at plantation
farms.
That's good stuff.
Sorry.
I know how good you are on Facebook.
Like you, how you keep posting up and keep the posts up and stuff.
So definitely let, you know, let the golfers know about the dynamic golf podcast.
I know you will please do cause cause now you're a star veteran of the podcast.
Yes, sir.
Exactly.
But we really appreciate you coming on, John.
I think it's been great, great fun.
Maybe we'll check in with you during the summer, see how the tour is going.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I appreciate you guys bringing me on and Sean hope to see you soon.
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