1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Sit back and get ready to take off with Dynamic Golf. 2 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,380 Hey Tampa Bay golfers, this is Sean Klotz from One Stop Golf Club. 3 00:00:24,380 --> 00:00:28,020 Just want to give you guys a little insight into what we have up here in Wesley Chapel. 4 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:29,420 We've got a great facility. 5 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:34,500 It's called One Stop Golf Club and basically it's a private man cave or woman cave depending 6 00:00:34,500 --> 00:00:36,220 on what you're trying to do. 7 00:00:36,220 --> 00:00:44,240 It's 24-7 access to Trackman which is a $20,000 machine that you'll see on tour and it's a 8 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,600 private hitting facility so it is member only. 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,480 We do offer golf lessons and club fittings in there as well but basically for $60 a month 10 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:59,360 you book your tee time online on our website and you have 24-7 access. 11 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:06,280 You can book a half an hour, an hour or two hours and we also have a speaker in here and 12 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,480 also the TV which has all multiple channels so just a great way to come in and practice, 13 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:12,760 work on your game. 14 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Trackman has so many different apps inside of Trackman. 15 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:22,320 You can work on specific yardages, really get your numbers dialed in from a club perspective. 16 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:28,280 There's also 65 different golf courses inside Trackman so such a good way to work on your 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,560 game. 18 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,400 Also if you decide to have some friends that are members as well, great way to come in 19 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,320 and use it where you can play different golf courses, you can do close to pin contests, 20 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:40,700 long drives. 21 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:45,840 So just a ton of different ideas inside of Trackman that you can use. 22 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,120 Super easy to operate, very user friendly but again think of it as your own private 23 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,120 facility. 24 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,440 $60 a month for the base membership and then if you want the VIP membership where you can 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,920 bring in your friends that would be $130 a month. 26 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,480 We are excited to be in the Wesley Chapel area. 27 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,480 We've been open since August and had some great support from the community so far. 28 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Look forward to working on your game. 29 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:15,920 Come down to One Stop Golf Club in Wesley Chapel or go to our website which is onestopgolfshopfl.com. 30 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:21,000 My name is Sean Klotz, the owner and operator of One Stop Golf Club. 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,960 So welcome back everybody, welcome back to Dynamic Podcast. 32 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,760 I'm your co-host Tim McElvanagh here with Sean Klotz. 33 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,760 Sean, who do we have today? 34 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Hey Tim, I'm really excited about this friend of mine. 35 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,840 I feel like we're kind of like the smartless crew now. 36 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Like we start leading up to the guest and I'm going to start giving you clues on who 37 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,080 the person is and stuff. 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,440 But this is one of my buddies from the Brandon area. 39 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,560 His name is John Catlin. 40 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,840 He actually walked into the golf store probably about five years ago, first time I met him. 41 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,120 And we just kind of instantly hit it off. 42 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,120 Good player. 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,800 He's going to be humble and say he's not as good as me, but he knows that he can take 44 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 my money whenever. 45 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 So anyways, really excited to have John Catlin. 46 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Hey John, how you doing today, bud? 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:04,600 I'm good, Sean. 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Nice to talk to you. 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Good man. 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Yeah, so basically, you know, me and you kind of struck up our friendship just based on 51 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,600 mutual love of the game, right? 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,320 You like you've been playing for quite a while and kind of tell us just a little bit of kind 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,600 of how you got into golf, how long you've been playing, sort of where you're at now. 54 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Yeah. 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Yeah, I'd love to do that. 56 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,520 So I got into golf at a fairly early age, I would say. 57 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:33,640 I mean, if anybody knows much about the Brandon Valrico Dover area, the first golf course 58 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,520 I played on was Diamond Hill. 59 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,520 Okay. 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,520 Oh yeah. 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,120 Very interesting story about that is my mom used to run those hills before it was ever 62 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,280 a golf course. 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,320 So I have quite a bit of history there. 64 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,800 I learned how to play there, but with my dad actually bought me a set, a little half set 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:56,760 of Northwestern Bob Murphy classic golf clubs, little forged blades. 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,520 And that's how I learned to play. 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,840 I just went out there in my cowboy boots and figured out how to swing a golf club on my 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,120 own and kind of just fell in love with it right away. 69 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Yeah. 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,440 You know, kind of in and out of it for a while while I was a youngster in high school playing 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:21,120 sports, really got a lot further into golf when I became a Marine because I started playing 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,040 on intramural teams in the Marine Corps. 73 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,040 Okay. 74 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,040 Nice. 75 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,040 Thank you for your service. 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,040 Yes, thank you. 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,040 Yeah, I appreciate that. 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:35,280 And then, and then, you know, I, I played quite a bit for a number of years and I was 79 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:40,480 a decent player, you know, probably playing to about a eight or a 10 handicap. 80 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:48,600 And then I kind of got out of it for a while and started doing a lot of bass fishing actually. 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Oh, interesting. 82 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,520 And, you know, about three, four years ago, I started getting a lot further into it again, 83 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:01,280 getting, getting much more involved in golf and kind of fell in love with the sport again. 84 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:06,640 And, you know, it kind of took a, I'm a, I'm a big competitive type guy. 85 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,440 So if I'm not competing in something, it's kind of hard for me to kind of maintain my 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:11,440 focus. 87 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Gotcha. 88 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Correct. 89 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:14,440 Yep. 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,440 And so that's kind of the way it was with fishing for me, you know, I mean, I was, I love to 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,320 fish, but if I wasn't preparing for a bass tournament, it was hard for me to sort of 92 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,640 stay in, stay in the moment. 93 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:31,200 And so, and one of the things that I had done in bass fishing was I had led and, and helped 94 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,240 run some tournament series of two man bass fishing team tournaments. 95 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,240 Okay. 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,280 And I really liked the concept. 97 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,080 And I said, man, that's a lot of fun to be out there with a guy that's your really good 98 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,080 friend. 99 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,040 And you can spend some time together, but you can actually try to compete and win a 100 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,600 tournament and apply your skills against your friends, et cetera. 101 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,600 Yeah. 102 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,920 And I said, there's a way to do that in golf and we need to do this with a two man scramble. 103 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,160 And I, and I built a, a two man golf tour here in Tampa called the Tampa Bay two man 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,160 golf tour. 105 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Yeah. 106 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,960 And it's kind of built on that principle. 107 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,320 And so since then I've been really deeply involved with it and just, just falling in 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,920 love with the game, working really hard, have my ups and downs. 109 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,720 So yeah, you've been doing the, so this would be the summer coming up because I know your 110 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 first event is up at plantation palms in March. 111 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Right. 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Yep. 113 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,520 So is this the fourth year of the Tampa Bay two man tour? 114 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,240 I think it's the third or fourth season. 115 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,840 We've had some split series. 116 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:31,840 That's right. 117 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:32,840 Okay. 118 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:37,800 So this will be the, we're running our seats in the whole year this year. 119 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,640 We had run split seasons before. 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Yep. 121 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:50,160 So yeah, we started in March on the 24th and then we run six events from that point all 122 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,160 the way into the end of the year. 123 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,560 And then our seventh series, a seventh tournament of the series is the tour championship. 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Gotcha. 125 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Yeah. 126 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,520 I think it's from the, you know, kind of inside and outside perspective, meaning that me and 127 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,520 team Mac have run plenty of golf tournaments and, and you know, whether it's the Zephyrals 128 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,520 open or just running charity events, the David Rudeman tournament and charity foundation 129 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,520 was a big one. 130 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,600 It, you know, some of our listeners know, but some of our listeners don't know how much 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:22,040 work goes into behind the scenes and I mean, me and you were on the first team one day, 132 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,360 you know, like getting ready and, and the guys are either showing up with a different 133 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,720 partner or, or whatever, right? 134 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:28,720 It didn't show up at all. 135 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Yeah. 136 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,400 I mean, you do such a good job now. 137 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,840 And it's also the thing that I've seen in the three years that I've seen it is that 138 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,480 the following is bigger. 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,480 Yeah. 140 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,800 The guys become more, they're spreading the word for you, which is what you want, right? 141 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,520 That's the whole key. 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,640 You can only do so much marketing and advertising, but once they figure out that it's a good 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:53,840 event that it's, I'm going to use these words, reputable, honest, and competitive because 144 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,040 there are definitely some events out there that are not those three things. 145 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,960 So yeah, you know, you're looking for the guys, you know, that are, are there. 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,680 And the thing I like about the tour too, John, is that the, with the handicap allocations 147 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,960 that you do and we don't need to get on the micro part of it, but, but basically it's 148 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,960 very competitive. 149 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,180 There's different winners each week. 150 00:08:14,180 --> 00:08:16,080 It's not the same winners, right? 151 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Yeah. 152 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,080 That's right. 153 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,440 I mean, what we try to do is, you know, when you first, when you first come to the tour, 154 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,640 you're going to play off of a calculated initial index, right? 155 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Which we base off of your individual handicaps and some formulas that we apply to it that 156 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,200 I won't dig into. 157 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,920 But after that first event, you really are, you're playing off of the handicap that you 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,360 legitimately earned in our competition. 159 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Right. 160 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Gotcha. 161 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Yep. 162 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,720 So, so it does make it very tight and it's not uncommon for a half, a dozen teams to 163 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,120 be competing for a podium finish and finish within a stroke of each other. 164 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,120 Yep. 165 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,720 I've seen that almost every event. 166 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,240 That's real competitive right there. 167 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Yeah. 168 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,960 And different handicaps, like those, some of those guys are plus twos and some of those 169 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:06,120 guys are five handicaps and they're again, because of the, the fairness, you know, equality 170 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,120 that you come in. 171 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,520 So that's what I like about it. 172 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,040 And then me and team Mac have talked about this and in other podcasts, when you're playing 173 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,160 for yourself, there's one kind of competitive level. 174 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Yeah. 175 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,800 When you're missing a putt for another guy, it's so much more stressful, isn't it? 176 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Yes. 177 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,800 Yes. 178 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Absolutely. 179 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,080 I think, I think we, we put that pressure on ourselves. 180 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,560 I do with my, my buddy Crump all the time and team Mac's got a good friend, his name 181 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:37,180 is Voss and, and we play in some stuff up here, but it's, it's almost like you don't, 182 00:09:37,180 --> 00:09:39,520 you just don't care as much when it's your own ball. 183 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Right. 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,200 But when you're, when you're playing with your partner and I'm sure that's the same 185 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,080 for fishing too, it, it changes the dynamic. 186 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,080 For sure. 187 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,280 Every cast counts when you're fishing at every swing town. 188 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Absolutely. 189 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,160 And you don't want to let your buddy down, right? 190 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,160 Right. 191 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,160 So it's fun. 192 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,160 It's a, it's two man best ball is what the, what the format is. 193 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,160 Two man scramble. 194 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,160 Yeah. 195 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,160 Oh sorry, scramble. 196 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,160 You know what's fun about that? 197 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,560 You know what's fun about this format that I figured out is, is really one of the most 198 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,080 fun parts about this two man format. 199 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:18,680 You know, most of us who play golf love the idea or at least I don't know what the right 200 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,800 word is, but we dream some days about having caddy, right? 201 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Right. 202 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,600 So let's, let's go out and play a competitive event. 203 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,840 Let me have a caddy on my bag. 204 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,840 Yeah. 205 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,840 Walk in. 206 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:28,840 Yeah. 207 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:29,840 All that good stuff. 208 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Right. 209 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Well, a four man scramble is kind of a hit and diggle. 210 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:32,840 That doesn't even matter, right? 211 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:33,840 You're buying mulligans and everything else. 212 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,920 But in a two man scramble, it's actually quite hard. 213 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:37,920 Yes. 214 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,920 Yep. 215 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,120 And having that buddy next to you who's not just a partner, but almost acts as a caddy 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,840 to help, you know, club and think through things. 217 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,560 It raises your sense of awareness on the mental game that I think has helped me a lot. 218 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:53,560 Yeah. 219 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,480 The strategy of it, TMAC, you know, playing two players, scramble. 220 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,480 Absolutely. 221 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,920 So me and you were going to go do that. 222 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,800 You know, I might be the guy who hits the, the, the hybrid down the middle and then let 223 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,800 you hit driver. 224 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,800 Yeah. 225 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,160 You know, and vice versa, because you just want to get a ball and play on the narrow 226 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,160 hole. 227 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,640 And I'm sure that you and Ron have a certain way of batting order. 228 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,880 I would say, you know, I know me and Vaz always, Vaz always goes first. 229 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,880 I always go second. 230 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:17,880 Yep. 231 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,320 And there's always, you know, it just, there's always a strategy. 232 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,120 There's always a routine for it. 233 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,720 And you're always talking about what, what, what the next player needs to be doing and 234 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,720 helping them out. 235 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Yeah. 236 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,720 Yeah. 237 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,000 It's funny too, even though like putting, so when me and Ron, you know, when we go through 238 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 it and typically that's, you know, I go first, Ron goes second. 239 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,160 Arguably, he's a better player. 240 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,240 He's going to, he wouldn't argue with that at all, but no, not wrong. 241 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,600 He would say, but, but, but when you're putting, you know, when you, when you're only, let's 242 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,440 say two under through the first nine holes, you know what you just say, Hey, let's change 243 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,440 it up. 244 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Cause that's something almost like a good lesson for our golfers in general. 245 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Yeah. 246 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,200 If you keep doing it the same way, then do something different. 247 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,200 Yeah. 248 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,200 Martin Hall say something like that. 249 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,200 You keep doing the same thing. 250 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,840 You keep getting what you keep getting or something like that. 251 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,600 Myself personally, I'm going to, I'm going to go left hand low on the putter on the, 252 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,600 on the back nine. 253 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,400 If I haven't made any putts, the claw on the front, whatever. 254 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Yeah. 255 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,400 So yeah. 256 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,600 And just even that mental different approach changes your attitude, your mental part of 257 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,600 it. 258 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,600 Yeah. 259 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,600 You were mentioning putting there. 260 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,280 I thought I was interesting lesson I learned two days ago on the putting green for myself. 261 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:31,000 I have been struggling, you know, my handicap is, is come down quite a bit over the past 262 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,360 year, but I've been struggling of late with speed control. 263 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:40,520 And I decided the other day to go out on the green and practice. 264 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,960 And I realized that I made a change in the actual physical grip on my, on my putter a 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,960 while back. 266 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:47,960 Oh yeah. 267 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,240 And it caused me to stop running my index fingers down the shaft. 268 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Okay. 269 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,000 Some people will recommend against this. 270 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,200 Some people recommend to do it, but I think it's all individual and what you're comfortable 271 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,200 with. 272 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,320 But, but what was happening for me was when I stopped doing that, the cutter would load 273 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:11,400 on the backswing and caused me to slap at the ball at the bottom of the arc. 274 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,120 And it was, I was inconsistent all of a sudden with my distance control. 275 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,120 Okay. 276 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,200 And I realized that it's because I couldn't, you know, the way I'm a very handsy player, 277 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:27,680 Sean has instructed me before he knows I've had a lot of hands in my golf. 278 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,520 And so it caused me to just overload the putter and, and, and slap at the ball. 279 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,880 And once I put that, those fingers down the shaft, it kept that from happening and my 280 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,680 speed control is coming back. 281 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,200 And that's just because I decided I had to change something. 282 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,200 Right. 283 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Right. 284 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,200 Yeah. 285 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,200 It went back to what was not broken before. 286 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,760 So I'm going to ask this question. 287 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,680 I didn't have this one planned. 288 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:54,320 So TMAC, if you're going to teach one of your, one of your students speed control, try to 289 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,880 try to make them not three putt as much. 290 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,960 Just give me one or two of those kinds of swing thoughts or even approaches to it that 291 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,240 you would kind of get your student to work with. 292 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,360 What I, you know, typically what I do for speed control, especially with distance putts 293 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,400 is I will putt to the edges. 294 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,040 I'm not putting to a cup. 295 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,040 Okay. 296 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,960 I'm trying to take a result out of it. 297 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Yep. 298 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,440 I'm trying to get a feel or a pace or a feel. 299 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,440 Yeah. 300 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,040 And that's really what I kind of do for, for pace control. 301 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Yeah. 302 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,240 And I'm, I'm just three balls and I'm trying to get each one as close to that. 303 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,240 There you go. 304 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Apron as possible. 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,600 And I just find that once I get the element of a hole out of it, I start to free myself 306 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:31,600 up. 307 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,520 I think that's a huge point is that, you know, people on the practice screen putt two holes. 308 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,520 Yeah. 309 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Period. 310 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,520 Yeah. 311 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,520 You go to a tour event, they don't putt to a hole. 312 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,560 They putt to, they throw a disc down. 313 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,560 They do. 314 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,560 You do see a lot of, yeah. 315 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,560 They putt to a tee. 316 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Yeah. 317 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,320 You do see a lot of them playing that almost pool like bumper drill, which is essentially, 318 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,160 yeah, hit it to the edge, but you're going to get penalized if you hit it to the fringe. 319 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Correct. 320 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,720 And that's just a great way to learn feel. 321 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,280 And then here's my, here's my backward reasoning for asking this question to John. 322 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,600 I'm glad he brought it up. 323 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,960 And now UT Mac, if I teach distance control to my students, I tell them to walk the putt 324 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:09,960 off, right? 325 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,520 To, to measure the putt, take the paces and go figure out your, most of us have, you know, 326 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,160 whatever our pace would probably be close to a yard as we walk. 327 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,040 So if you take eight paces to the hole, then that's 24 feet. 328 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,320 And then if you go to the next hole and you took 10 paces, you got 30 feet. 329 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,320 Great point. 330 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,320 You know, you start having a number in your head. 331 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,920 So my, my point of this, John, is like, we got three different people, three different 332 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,960 skill levels, and we're all kind of approaching the game differently, talking about a little 333 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,160 differently, but we all learn from each other, right? 334 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,160 Yeah. 335 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,160 That's right. 336 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,160 You know, that's, that's, that's what you're saying. 337 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,480 That's the cool thing about the tour. 338 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Yeah. 339 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,920 And that is, is that, like you said, you got, you got a player and B player and there's 340 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,080 going to be the sort of that caddy, caddy element with me and Crump. 341 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,320 We might be more A and A players with Mike Sullivan and Carl Sullivan. 342 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,520 They might be more A and A players, but you know, but you definitely in your pairings, 343 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,100 you definitely see the, the A and B player. 344 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:08,880 And I think that's, yeah, that's something I try to do is I try to not pair up teams 345 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,640 that are like a higher handicap team. 346 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,920 I won't pair them with another high handicap team. 347 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,920 Right. 348 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 For one reason, I don't want the, I don't want the play to get kind of clogged up and 349 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,440 gummed up. 350 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Yep. 351 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:27,360 But, but it's also really important that those, those less skilled players or less experienced 352 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:33,120 players are seeing really good golfers move through that hole. 353 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,600 And what you actually see is how much better those guys become over the course of the year 354 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,600 together. 355 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Right. 356 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,600 By just playing the tournament. 357 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:42,600 Yeah. 358 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,040 And then seeing other players and then you'll be on the key with them and they'll say, you 359 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,640 know, I, I played with Carl and Mike and it was something I noticed about the way they 360 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:50,640 played. 361 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,640 This was interesting what he did. 362 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:52,640 Right. 363 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,040 And it does, it is help any, any kind of competition like that. 364 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,760 And I think that's a great point to bring up is that I think for me and Sean, when we 365 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,560 go and watch tour events, it's something sparks inside of us when we come back out and play 366 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:12,120 and there's a tempo, a rhythm, you know, and I think there's a great learning process for 367 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:15,080 everybody there, especially for the B player to learn from that. 368 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,080 That's great. 369 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,000 I could just, I could just, I could just stand on the range at Bay Hill for hours, hours, 370 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,920 you know, I don't even, people say you own the Valspar and Valspar is great. 371 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,920 It's a great tournament. 372 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,440 It's a good, great finishing last four or five holes, but the range is not as good as Bay 373 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,440 Hill. 374 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,440 No. 375 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,740 You know, and, and Augusta is amazing just for people that are lucky enough to get to 376 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:38,120 Augusta, but I just love going to watch the short game area. 377 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,120 Yeah. 378 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:43,440 I mean, I think that VJ Singh, dating myself a little bit was working on, you know, I mean, 379 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,120 he was out there for three hours at Augusta and guess what? 380 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:48,760 He only hit 50 yard wedge shots for three hours. 381 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Like, but the tempo was absolutely amazing. 382 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,560 And you take that home with it. 383 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,920 It kind of drips onto your game a little bit too. 384 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,840 So then John, the other thing I, this is, I've encountered in your tour is, and me and 385 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,320 T Mac have this all the time in our events up here. 386 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,840 So you put me and Crump with two other players, absolutely fine love and all the guys are 387 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,840 great, right? 388 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,720 But throughout that, throughout that, that, uh, that round, it will be, Oh my gosh, this 389 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,480 is the best we've ever played. 390 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,280 I can't believe we're playing the miracle round. 391 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,700 But you know that, but John, the reason they're doing that is cause they're watching other 392 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:22,700 better players. 393 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:23,700 Yeah. 394 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:24,700 They're focusing. 395 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:26,960 They're not playing with their buddies on the, you know, like you said, four player 396 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,040 hit and giggles, scramble, right? 397 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,040 Yeah. 398 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,600 They've really decided to change the focus and they realize, Oh, if I take my little 399 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,560 extra time or if I spend a little extra time reading a putt, they're going to start. 400 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,920 So I think that's a good side side of it. 401 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:47,360 Well, you know, as the mental game is the, is, is way, way understated. 402 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,960 Sean, you and I talked about this, how much that's meant to me over the past year. 403 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,960 Yeah. 404 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Let our listeners know about that a little bit. 405 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,320 Cause I think it's a great story that we were talking about the other day. 406 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:05,480 So um, several years ago, I, I was promoted at work to associate vice president. 407 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,600 And as part of that promotion, I wanted to, yeah, I feel like I'm all, I've always been 408 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,120 a pretty good leader being a former Marine and learning all I've learned from what I 409 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,880 believe is the best leadership school in the world. 410 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:22,320 But you know, always when you, when you reach another level, you're always trying to fine 411 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,820 tune yourself, right? 412 00:19:23,820 --> 00:19:25,560 And it's just like golf. 413 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,520 You're trying to, you know, you're trying to get better at your craft. 414 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,840 And so I hired a, not a life coach, but an, what we call an executive coach. 415 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:36,840 Okay. 416 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:43,680 And, and you know, she really, you know, when you do something like that, it's, it's, it's, 417 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,520 it's more like a mental game coach in, in, in golf. 418 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 It's you, you gotta be willing to do some soul searching, right? 419 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,520 And you gotta be willing to sort of bear your soul and, and be vulnerable as she would say. 420 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Yep. 421 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,280 And, you know, I'm an emotional person, right? 422 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,280 I, I'm also a fixer and a rescuer. 423 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,000 I have a lot of different traits in my personality. 424 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 Right. 425 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Okay. 426 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,960 And she said, you know, what you need to do is you need to start thinking about becoming 427 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,040 a little bit more present and in the moment. 428 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,440 So you can, you know, kind of communicate in the way that you would want. 429 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,120 And it's in various different situations. 430 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:30,280 Maybe it's a situation where I feel, you know, I'm not being heard or listened to or whatever 431 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,840 it might be. 432 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,720 And, and so she gave me these three, these three mental checks. 433 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,680 I'm not really mental, but they're, they're sort of presence checks, I would say. 434 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,480 And this was early in the year, last year when I started figuring out how it applied 435 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,160 to my golf game. 436 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Okay. 437 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:55,080 And so what you do is, is, is she would say, look, before you get into one of these high 438 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:03,960 stress situations, you need to, you need to take a deep breath and, and, and while you're 439 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,560 taking that deep breath, let it out and sort of think about what, what is going on in your 440 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,880 head at the moment. 441 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,880 Take note of it, right? 442 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Take an inventory of what's happening in your head. 443 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,800 And then you take another deep breath and you clear it out and you think about what 444 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,040 you're feeling physically, right? 445 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,560 What are the physical sensations that you have in your body at the moment? 446 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Okay. 447 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,480 And then you take another deep breath and you start thinking about, well, what are you 448 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,920 feeling emotionally? 449 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,920 Right? 450 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,240 That's different than what's going on in your head, but what are your emotions state? 451 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Right? 452 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,240 What? 453 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,240 And take an inventory of those things. 454 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,240 Yep. 455 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,000 And you can quickly go through this routine of just three deep breaths. 456 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:52,000 And, and, and on the golf course, I realized it was things like just feeling how soft the 457 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 ground was under my feet or not. 458 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Okay. 459 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,360 As a physical sensation, I may feel like, wow, I feel a little cool breeze on me or 460 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,600 a man that, that it's hot in this golf park. 461 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,840 And I, and I can think and be present in a moment thinking about that. 462 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,800 The same thing about my mental side is what's going on in my head right now about what I'm 463 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,800 focused on. 464 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,800 Yep. 465 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,920 Do I have a lot of work stress going on? 466 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,880 How do I snap and clear that stuff out of there? 467 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,800 And then trying to check in emotionally about, well, how do I feel about how the day is going? 468 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,320 What am I feeling about myself in the round? 469 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,240 And what it caused me to do, Sean and Tim, is it caused me to get so present and in the 470 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,200 moment that I got addicted to doing this while I was playing golf. 471 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,320 Like I would, I would get a shot and I would, I would either sit in the car or I'd be walking 472 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,360 to the next shot and I would just take some time and do one of those presence checks. 473 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:44,560 I might not do all of them. 474 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,960 I might just do one of them. 475 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Right. 476 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:55,760 And it's crazy because early in the year, my, one of my best friends, Jim Prokos, who 477 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:01,780 I served with years ago in the military, we're great friends and we served together over 478 00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:04,120 30 years ago. 479 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,200 I was telling him how much I was struggling with my game and he goes, man, you just need 480 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,560 to stop thinking about it. 481 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,680 Swing the golf club. 482 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,680 Right. 483 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,520 So I started getting present with myself and my handicap, I had, I was that time I was 484 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,520 like a five, six, it actually climbed up to a seven something. 485 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,440 And from the point that I started focusing on this on my, in my rounds of golf, my handicap 486 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,920 dropped to at one point at 3.9. 487 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,920 Wow. 488 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,920 Nice. 489 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,920 Yep. 490 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,920 No swing changes. 491 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Right. 492 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,920 Right. 493 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,680 No equipment changes, no ball changes, no YouTube videos, no. 494 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,680 That's amazing. 495 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,680 The greatest fix of the month. 496 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,680 Yeah. 497 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:42,680 Yeah. 498 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,360 It's just all in the mental game for me. 499 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:48,880 And, and, and to be completely transparent and honest, I had gotten away from it. 500 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,880 Right. 501 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,680 So you start feeling the success, you get a little lazy. 502 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,680 Yep. 503 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,120 And I started drifting away from it. 504 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,120 Yep. 505 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:02,960 And, and so I recently just recommitted myself to being president in the moment. 506 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,680 And once again, because Jim told me to stop thinking about it. 507 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Right. 508 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,120 And when I say stop thinking about it, it doesn't sound like it makes sense to be president 509 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,200 in the moment and stop thinking about it. 510 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,200 Yeah. 511 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,680 But there's a difference in the quality of the things that you think about and that, 512 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,600 you know, thinking about 50 different mechanical thoughts when you're standing over a golf 513 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,080 ball is completely the wrong thing to do. 514 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Yeah. 515 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,080 Right. 516 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,080 Yeah. 517 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,680 It's get, get, get, get to a state where you feel good. 518 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,880 And the only thing you really care about is the target. 519 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,880 That's it. 520 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,840 And, and just relax and let your natural athletic ability and all that work that you do on the 521 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,800 range actually take over. 522 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Yep. 523 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,860 So do you find yourself in like a meditation state when you're doing this basically? 524 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:52,000 Is that what you'd say? 525 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,040 It's, it's, I wouldn't, I would say it's shy of meditation, but it's just focusing 526 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,840 on being president in the moment. 527 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,120 Uh, and it, it only takes me maybe 30 seconds to, to go through one of those presence checks. 528 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:08,200 And I might do one between each shot, but it's really just focusing on being there. 529 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,200 Yeah. 530 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Yeah. 531 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,320 I mean, they're not on the range. 532 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,960 I feel like we could talk about this for an hour. 533 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,280 I'll try to keep it to 10 minutes or a couple minutes. 534 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,800 I love, I love this stuff. 535 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,600 Cause John and TMAC, like people come to us all the time, like, Hey, I want to break 90. 536 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Yeah. 537 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Right. 538 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,600 I want to break a hundred. 539 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,600 Yeah. 540 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,760 Well, yes, there is absolutely some physical things that need to happen to break a hundred 541 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,760 or break nine. 542 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Correct. 543 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,280 And there has to be a certain yardage here. 544 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,920 You know, your, your short game has to be a short and short game. 545 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,920 Correct. 546 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,800 But the way that you go, I think the hardest thing is to go from the, from the five handicap 547 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,800 to the zero handicap. 548 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,800 Yeah. 549 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,080 That's, that's the clip in one stroke off per year, per six months. 550 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,080 Absolutely. 551 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,920 And it's these little incremental things like you're talking about, like, Hey, you do have 552 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,120 the right equipment. 553 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,840 You do have the right putter length. 554 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,040 You've got the wedges set up, you know, like all your, all your equipment's good. 555 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,040 Yeah. 556 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,200 Now you've got to, you know, you can't be changing your swing. 557 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Like you say, John. 558 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,040 So there's just such a tremendous, like almost void of this type of thing. 559 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,040 Yeah. 560 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:15,920 I want to say personally, when I run golf tournaments, I typically run the golf tournament 561 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,320 that I'm working at the golf course. 562 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Okay. 563 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,040 And then I usually like to try to play in it. 564 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Oh yeah. 565 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,160 And I would say I haven't played with you in an event, in an event, John yet, but to 566 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,600 me it takes me two to three holes to even get close to what I normally do on the golf 567 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,320 course before, you know what I'm saying, John? 568 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,040 Like, cause you get all these questions prior to the, to the event. 569 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,440 So your mind is total. 570 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,120 So you get up there on the first tee and it's not thinking about the ground, thinking about 571 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,960 the wind, thinking about, you're totally thinking about why did that guy ask me that stupid 572 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,760 question five minutes ago? 573 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,880 Why couldn't he have gotten his money into me earlier? 574 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,080 I told, I set it up on Facebook. 575 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,080 I've seen it happen to you. 576 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,280 Like I've set the entire thing up on try to give them all the information and they don't 577 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,280 read the sign. 578 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,280 Whatever the sign is. 579 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,280 Yeah. 580 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:10,040 So it's funny cause my, my, my tournament partner, Greg Aiken, he actually taught me 581 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,560 a lot about how to play years ago when we first started playing. 582 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,800 I mean, he, he was a big inspiration to me, but we're tournament partners now. 583 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:24,120 And so we're on this in the tour championship last year and the, the online scoring was 584 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,120 not working. 585 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,120 Right. 586 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,200 And you know, and, and so I'm getting texts on my phone at the same time. 587 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,000 It's happening and, and, and we, we were on the green with a birdie putt and I'm sitting 588 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600 in the car trying to figure out, get your tail over here. 589 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,640 I don't care about that online thing. 590 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,640 Yeah. 591 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,640 You know, focus on your game. 592 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,640 That's it. 593 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,960 It is hard when you're trying to organize an event and also it's just a testament to 594 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000 not letting things rattle around in your head. 595 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Yeah. 596 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,800 So it's like getting a phone call about when you're in the middle of a work. 597 00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:00,160 I play very poorly at my own golf course because I can't, I can't get rid of the eyesight 598 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,400 of looking, Oh my gosh, why is this guy driving around the bunker? 599 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,240 He just drove over the green, just all the things. 600 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,880 So I play way better when I'm away from the golf course. 601 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,720 And then like you said, now, yeah, the phone still rings. 602 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,640 We're still attached to the world, unfortunately. 603 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,640 Yeah. 604 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,860 But yeah, it's different. 605 00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:20,240 So again, I think there's a tremendous amount of talk about there. 606 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,100 I think the, you know, the, the, the simple things that the, the, the viewers or listeners 607 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,720 can take from this would be pre-shot routine have one. 608 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720 We've talked about it before, figure out what yours is. 609 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:37,000 But again, the best players that I play with are not, not kind of consistent with their 610 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000 pre-shot routine. 611 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Yeah. 612 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,560 They are perfectly to the, to the second with their pre-shot routine. 613 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,560 Yeah. 614 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,980 And I don't care if you're, and again, we play in different formats. 615 00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:52,960 So this afternoon I'm going to play in a little four player scramble, fun event, couples group, 616 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,520 whatever it is, that's going to be a totally different focus point than it is when I play 617 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,440 on the Tampa Bay two man tour. 618 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Yeah. 619 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,440 You know what I'm saying? 620 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Yeah. 621 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,520 Like the, like we try to think we're going to step up there and do our pre-shot routine, 622 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,640 but we're worried about other things. 623 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000 If the pace of play radio, all that stuff. 624 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,440 You know, all that. 625 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,440 Yeah. 626 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,880 So, so just that, that perspective of, you know what, have the same pre-shot routine 627 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,440 every single time. 628 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,920 I think I can do that part of it, which is probably the way you described it, John, the 629 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,760 physical part, but I don't, I don't do very well at the mental part because I am preoccupied 630 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,680 with the other things going on as I'm, I'm at work. 631 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Yeah. 632 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,680 That's the thing. 633 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,680 I am at work. 634 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 You know, I'm not, I'm not just like these other 70 people, they're just coming out here 635 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,600 to enjoy their day. 636 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,760 This is my job. 637 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,120 So I've got to, I'm hoping that they have a good time. 638 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Yeah. 639 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,960 You know, so emotionally, yeah. 640 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,940 And then the emotion side is, I'll just make this a quick story. 641 00:29:47,940 --> 00:29:51,640 Came in playing in the Zephyrh Hills open eight or 10 years ago, right? 642 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,320 I just, I, John, I just come in for a drink after nine holes, right? 643 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,800 All the players are out on the last group out. 644 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,640 So I just came in for a, for a drink to get a Gatorade or something hot, hot afternoon. 645 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:10,360 And one of the players asked me one of those stupid, dumb ruling questions, right? 646 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,280 Because I am the tournament committee guy too. 647 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:18,320 So, but he says, Hey, how come he got this relief when he should have gotten this relief? 648 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,320 That's not fair. 649 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,320 Whatever that thing is. 650 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,320 And I blew up. 651 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,880 Like I literally kicked the door down. 652 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,720 I'm like, ask me in two hours. 653 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,720 It doesn't matter right now. 654 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,400 I'm in the middle of my round and I, you know, like you, you, you need to, yeah, you, you 655 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,880 want to kind of separate yourself. 656 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:39,520 But anyways, so, so dealing with the emotions and you see this on tour all the time, right? 657 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760 I mean, Jason day, like his pre-shot routine with his breathing. 658 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,760 Yes. 659 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,240 He closes his eyes, his eyes, visualization. 660 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Adam Scott would, would put in the hand on the grip. 661 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400 Same time. 662 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,440 I watched him yesterday doing the same thing he's done last 10 years, I think. 663 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:01,800 Um, how Justin or how, um, Jordan Spieth approaches a putt, you know, he looks twitchy. 664 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480 He looks very twitchy until, until he goes. 665 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,400 Um, but there's a routine, there's a method behind it. 666 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,400 He's a, he's a talker, right? 667 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,880 He's always talking to his caddy. 668 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,880 Yeah. 669 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,880 That's the way he does it. 670 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,880 It's the way he's always talking. 671 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,480 But then Tiger was more of leave me alone on the green. 672 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,200 Well, Tiger, Tiger, I, I picked up on something from him the other day that I, I'd heard him 673 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160 say this a lot, but I never really figured out what he meant. 674 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,920 And I, and I kind of did a little research on it, but his routine is sort of a silent 675 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,920 one. 676 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,240 He talks about, you've heard him talk about putting to the picture. 677 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,240 Right. 678 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,240 And what he's basically saying there is that he, he stands over his putt and he, and he, 679 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,840 he looks at his line, he looks at the hole and he takes a mental picture of that. 680 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,840 It's like a photograph. 681 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Yep. 682 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,680 And when he stands over the putt, instead of him chasing the ball with his eyes and 683 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,480 trying to see if it went, he just, he puts to the picture and keeps his head there. 684 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480 It's part of his routine. 685 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,480 Yeah. 686 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,120 And I was actually struggling with so many mechanics, you know, overthinking my golf 687 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,120 swing. 688 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,720 I started swinging to the picture, right? 689 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Just looking out there at that golf, at the hole and where the pin is, where my target 690 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,320 was and keeping that in my mind while I was making my golf swing. 691 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,320 It made all the difference in the world. 692 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Yeah, absolutely. 693 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,840 And, and, and he was taught that at like three, four or five years old by his dad when he 694 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,800 read his book, that's something he's been doing literally since he was four or five 695 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,800 years old. 696 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,120 And then he got what Jay Brunsner, I think to do the meditation at 10 or something like 697 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,120 that. 698 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,600 And that's an ex Marine by the way, right? 699 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Earl woods is an ex Marine as far as I know. 700 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,680 Army, army, army. 701 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680 Well, I mean, not, not similar. 702 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,680 Yeah, exactly. 703 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,680 But still pretty good. 704 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,680 Yeah. 705 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,680 Yeah, exactly. 706 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,680 Exactly. 707 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,640 But, but it goes to the mental approach that, you know, that you're talking about. 708 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,040 Like you said, you were, you know, you were in the greatest training program ever type 709 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,040 of thing. 710 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,760 I mean, it is it's a, so, Hey, yeah, yeah. 711 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,040 One last question. 712 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840 How long did it take for you to get comfortable with that routine? 713 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Was it a couple of days, a month, a week, an hour? 714 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520 Oh, I think it's a lifelong journey. 715 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,520 Yeah. 716 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,520 I'll be honest with you. 717 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,320 I think anything in the mental game. 718 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,080 And again, I don't think this is just this whole presence thing is not just about golf. 719 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,040 It's a life thing. 720 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,280 And it's just, you know, what golf is, is a microcosm of your life. 721 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Yeah. 722 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Right. 723 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,000 It shows how you handle disappointment and stress. 724 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,080 And that's why it's one of the best places to interview somebody actually. 725 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:37,600 But that, that is, it's just that I had to say, wait a minute, this is, this is, this 726 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,600 is part of my life. 727 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,640 I'm going to apply this, this technique to this. 728 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,800 And it's a constant thing. 729 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,920 Like I, I can't tell you I'm as disciplined at it as I need to be yet, but it's always 730 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,800 a work in progress where I'm trying to do more and more of that, you know, and just 731 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,800 sort of being in the moment and enjoying what I'm doing and, and, and trying to be in a 732 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,600 positive frame of mind. 733 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,400 But it is not the same as thinking about it. 734 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,400 That's, that's the, that's a difference. 735 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,400 Yeah. 736 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,260 Being in the moment is not thinking. 737 00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:09,880 It's getting out of the way of yourself is how you hear some, some athletes describe 738 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,880 it. 739 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,880 Like just get out of the way. 740 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120 Let your natural tendencies take over. 741 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,280 You've done the work. 742 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,560 You've done the practice. 743 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,840 You've put in the effort. 744 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,080 The people who don't put in the effort, put in the work, put in the practice. 745 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,480 Those are the people that struggle with the breaking a hundred and breaking 90. 746 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,480 Absolutely. 747 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,360 You know, and, and that's the, that's what, you know, sometimes we talk about with some 748 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,840 of our students, like you don't realize how many chip shots I've hit in my entire lifetime. 749 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,680 It wasn't, I didn't just become good. 750 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560 Like we, we put the work into it. 751 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,320 So let, let just, I know the first event I believe is filled up, but we'll kind of give 752 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,360 people the rundown on how to get in touch with it. 753 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,360 Yeah, absolutely. 754 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,360 Let me do that. 755 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,680 So we have, we, we run the group off of a Facebook group, but you can get there pretty 756 00:34:52,680 --> 00:35:00,240 quickly by I've just redirected our URL to that Facebook page and it's TB Tango Bravo 757 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,140 and military speed to man. 758 00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:04,760 So it's TB two man.com. 759 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,760 Okay. 760 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,760 The number two. 761 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,760 Yup. 762 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200 TB two man.com all one word. 763 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:16,160 And that'll take you to our Facebook group and you'll see the schedule there and a lot 764 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480 of the, the player's handbook is there, a link to it. 765 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,880 And that's how I communicate with the members on tee times, et cetera. 766 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,400 We were trying to expand the first event cause it's full. 767 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,080 I think we're at that's a, I limit the fields to 24 teams, but we're at 28. 768 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:40,520 So I'm trying to expand that field out a little bit on that 21 on the 24th of March at plantation 769 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520 farms. 770 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,520 That's good stuff. 771 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,520 Sorry. 772 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,520 I know how good you are on Facebook. 773 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600 Like you, how you keep posting up and keep the posts up and stuff. 774 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,400 So definitely let, you know, let the golfers know about the dynamic golf podcast. 775 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,480 I know you will please do cause cause now you're a star veteran of the podcast. 776 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,480 Yes, sir. 777 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,480 Exactly. 778 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,480 But we really appreciate you coming on, John. 779 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,960 I think it's been great, great fun. 780 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,880 Maybe we'll check in with you during the summer, see how the tour is going. 781 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,880 Yeah. 782 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,880 Yeah, man. 783 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:18,080 I appreciate you guys bringing me on and Sean hope to see you soon. 784 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,280 Are you looking to elevate your golf game with swing theory golf.com? 785 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:28,440 You will Tim, who is a certified PGA professional offers expert instruction and personal attention 786 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,280 to help you unleash your true potential. 787 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:59,120 So get ready to tee off with swing theory golf.