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Alright welcome back everybody, welcome to Dynamic Golf Podcast.
I am your co-host Tim McElvan and the owner and operator of swingtheorygolf.com.
With me my fellow co-host Sean Klotz.
Hey guys, hey golfers, this is Sean Klotz from One Stop Golf Club up here in Wesley
Chapel and looking forward to this session Tim.
Yeah, who do we have today?
I'm really excited.
Yeah, so I'm going to introduce him.
Hey Paul Walker, how are you today?
How are you doing sir?
Yes this is Paul Walker, the live one.
Oh my goodness, is this the Paul Walker, the three time winner of the Walker Cup, is that
correct?
Yes, the only three time winner.
There's a two time winner and a one time winner but I am the only three time winner.
I love it, I love it.
So I've known Paul for about five years.
He came down to my golf store in Valrico and just become good friends with him.
I think he's going to be a really good interviewer.
We're going to be able to talk about a lot of different parts of the game with Paul.
So Paul, let's kind of just get right into it.
So the Walker Cup is something that you created basically roughly about seven years ago, is
that right?
Yes, so eight years ago I was trying to get a little bit more out of golf, from the golf
game and just decided to say over some beers and we wrote the rules down on a napkin and
we created the Walker Cup.
Perfect.
Did you save the napkin of rules?
No, we didn't and believe it or not the heavens really changed that much over the eight years.
I guess it was a pretty good beer we drank that day.
So I played it in probably about 40 events with Paul and the cool thing about a TMac
is that he just, the whole point of it is supposed to be fun camaraderie.
Am I right with that Paul?
That's kind of where it started from.
Yes, it's all about fun camaraderie and trying to make the game enjoyable for everyone no
matter what your skill level is.
Yeah and you guys play some amazing golf courses.
Now we're going to talk about this a little bit later on but basically one of your main
job is that you work for Golf Ventures, is that correct?
So my official title is CIO of the Meadowbrook Golf and they are the parent company of the
Golf Ventures and International Golf Management.
Okay, so I worked as a head pro at Tarpen Springs Municipal back around 2000 to 2002
and IGM was a, like we outsourced our superintendent and kind of our greens crew to them, is that
correct what IGM does?
That is correct.
Sean, it's an incredibly small world isn't it how we golfers just keep on running into
each other.
Yeah, so the Walker Cup like I said to you Mack about and again I'm talking about some
of Paul's going to correct me but probably around 20 to 40 guys depending on the week
and where he goes to and I think it's, I really like the events because like Paul said so
me and you are going to play different tee boxes than Paul and maybe somebody else in
the group right?
Okay great.
He's going to keep it as fair as we can for kind of how far we drive the ball.
It's a little bit of money that goes buys into it but basically it's there for playing good
golf courses which Paul has access to and that's nice and you just have good relationships
with a lot of the companies and superintendents in Florida so you know kind of where to go.
Does that sound right Paul?
Yes, so obviously my sales force for Golf Ventures fills me in on all the courses that
are in great shape throughout Florida and then I also have some other industry contacts
like you know in the business that can give me insider information whenever I go for a
recommendation then I have longtime friends at courses like Eaglebrook which are already
always in good great shape.
Nice.
Yep and then the other part of it too and I think this goes to part of the game TMAQ
too is like we talked about this in other podcasts where Topgolf and even Pop Stroke
like there's a big emphasis on making the game fun.
Sociable, yeah making it sociable getting out there and being with your friends right.
Correct so Paul's got some I don't want to say questionable rules Paul but you've got
some rules that make it fun for everybody is that the best way to say it?
Yeah so some of my good golfers maybe on the Sean side would you know say that's golf really?
Elbow?
Let's just say that in the Walker Cup competition we never have a bad lie.
There you go.
Oh that's nice.
Yeah but that's what keeps it fun too and that's what you know like you don't you're
not stressed out playing you're kind of enjoying it and yeah there might be a mulligan every
hole every not every hole sorry every round.
Every once in a while.
Yeah but it goes to the point Paul kind of why the popularity of what you've been doing
you know in the past seven years has kind of grown and you've got some people from different
parts of Tampa and Polk County and Pasco that come out and play it.
And so we're pretty passionate about what we do but to give you an idea how I think
the rules are fair I think we had 27 different winners on 35 events this year.
Nice.
So that really does I think indicate how fair it is.
Oh yeah absolutely.
Now Paul do you guys use a point system to calculate your champion or how do you do it
just the most wins for the season or how do you kind of calculate who's the champion?
Gotcha so it every we're based on a stable for its system.
Okay.
And so there is a weekly winner which is the most points over their stable for quota.
Okay.
The quota goes up and down every week based on your scoring and then at the end of the
year the overall champion is determined after our finals weekend whoever has the most points
after the finals weekend who plays in the finals weekend they win the Walker Cup.
Okay.
Which is a really nice engraved bottle of Johnny Walker blue.
Oh yes yes.
So it's just not a little thing and it's a pretty nice thing and that's what makes
I think the competition even better this tangible prize.
Gotcha.
How many of those are opened at the Walker Household are they all still sealed shut or
what do you do with those?
Okay so to be honest I've opened up the 2017 bottle and have drank in probably three or
four times ever by now but I just keep on refilling it with other bottles that I get.
My other bottles will go open on the shelf.
That's great stuff.
So again TMac part of why I wanted Paul on here and Paul you'll agree with this too.
I feel like the Walker Cup is indicative of so many different kind of groups that you
see Tampa Bay Golf Nuts or my friend runs Tampa Bay Golf Tour sorry the two man Tampa
Bay Tour.
Oh yes.
Out in Orlando.
Yeah.
We did a lot of stuff around here but I just think it's indicative of kind of like go find
a group.
Yeah.
So you're practicing, you're working on your game.
What are you working on for?
Why are you working on it?
To go see what you do in real life.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
So competition is so much different than just the casual random golf.
Correct.
Yeah.
Correct.
I kid with people that I don't get out of bed unless it's a $5 bet.
You know I don't make it to the golf course unless I know who I'm going to play with,
where I'm going to play and it doesn't need to be you know $50 a side.
It just needs to be a little something to get those juices flowing right Paul?
Same thing with you guys.
Yeah.
It's amazing how you play better when there's even $0.10 on the line.
You know it just happens.
Yeah.
So T-Mac and I we play on the Wednesday night league at Silverado and at Lake Breda right?
Yeah.
And that's a blue tee player league and talked about that.
You've had the same partner for what 10 years probably now?
I've had the same partner for 15 years now.
So you know just the camaraderie out there, the competition you know as Paul is saying
just the camaraderie and the competition out there especially you know me and Boz have
won it two years in a row and we've got that hunger you know just like Paul's got that
hunger to want to win his fourth title.
Once you get a taste of that success you really want to get in there.
You want to compete and you kind of want to show your friends how good you are or how
good you're not you know.
Right.
Paul this happens with you guys too so I think we came in me and my partner Ron Crump in
the Wednesday night league up here at Lake Breda and Silverado.
I think we missed by a point and a half and that's pretty amazing over the year.
Yeah.
You know the 20 weeks of golf that you're playing just like you guys do Paul where you
know you can't throw away any hole.
No.
Because the hole in random July round is just as important as that December finals at Orange
County National.
Correct.
Yep it's dollar points add up and they are exactly the same.
Yeah.
Worse because last week.
That's it.
So that's great man.
Talk to me a little bit.
So I've given you some of the golf lessons that you've had over the last three or four
years.
I don't know if I'm your exclusive teacher.
I don't know if I want to take credit for that yet or not.
You do have two time Paul Walker back to are you back to back right now?
No.
Okay.
So there's yet there's never been a back to back.
Okay.
Do we let Bill win it last year Bill Adkins?
Yep.
So that's it.
Adkins did win last year and he is that's one guy that will never open that bottle.
That's true.
And then Drew Smith wanted a year or two right?
Drew Smith wanted the prior year.
Okay.
And he's also worn I think in maybe 2018.
Okay.
Yeah.
So from your lesson perspective kind of what me and you do when you come in here and use
Trackman and kind of the benefit sort of of what you see in video analysis and just kind
of having somebody as an instructor tell you hey because when you walk in for a lesson
I'm going to say from my side when I walk in for a lesson what I'm normally told by
my instructor is totally different than what I actually think I'm working on.
Does that make sense Paul?
Like do you find different things that we kind of work on sometimes?
Yeah.
So if we're going to talk about lessons now yeah so I kind of have my own opinion about
that can I?
Yeah.
Yeah please.
I'm not offended yet.
Yeah.
So golf is like any other learning environment right?
You have some people who can learn from reading a book or looking at online videos or videotaping
themselves whatever else.
Other people they need a classroom help or personal help to pick it up and retain right?
So and yeah when we go into the classroom level the training styles can vary from very
technical to field based.
And so as I go into comparing you to my regular golf coach which is Doug Bream.
Okay.
Doug takes what I have and tries to make it a little better.
And trying to reinvent my game where you know Sean I've taken a few lessons with you and
I know how bad of a golfer I really am and know what I need to fix it.
And so I've been working like heck to fix those things I just can't.
So Doug just continually just doesn't try to fix that major flaw he just takes what
I have and makes sure I can get it straight with the swing I do have.
There's a lot to be said for that.
So Paul what would you say in your learning environment are you more of a person that
sits down and reads a book and slowly digests it or are you more of a kind of guy that likes
to have an instructor kind of move you around and get those feels?
What kind of works best for you I guess?
I like range.
I like getting on the range or in the lab and work on two or three things and try to
fix it.
And if I can't fix it there I want to work with a plan on how I can fix it so the next
time I see my coach it's addressed.
That's the perfect way to say it too.
That's what me and TMAC talk about all the time is that our jobs are basically just to
give the student a plan, a guideline.
We're not going to fix everything in that time frame of whatever we're working on.
But and you said it too Paul you got to go to the range you got to go put the work in.
That's how you're going to improve and sometimes you can treat rounds of golf like that just
don't bring a scorecard is what I tell people.
They don't always have to be scorecard driven.
You can be working on your golf game on the golf course if you don't have time to go to
the range or to a studio but you just need to keep the scorecard away.
What you definitely don't want to do when you're playing a regular round of golf is
think about five or six things.
Correct.
No that's so correct.
It's got to be you got to be target oriented and that's such an important part of it is
to not think about what your left elbow is doing at the top of your backswing.
Correct just find that one key swing thought that you got and just keep with your target
and keep moseying on.
But if you got more than one or two swing thoughts then you probably need to put the
scorecard down and just enjoy the day.
My swing thought is just be smooth baby.
Be smooth.
Yeah.
I think we can say the name of your head cover on your three wood.
Is that the we're a multifaceted podcast here.
So what's your three wood called.
It's called my big bad mofo.
Oh you can say it.
It's okay.
Yeah we're good.
It was a gift.
I didn't buy it for myself but it is the big bad motherfucker.
There you go.
That's perfect man.
That's perfect.
I love that every time I see that when I play with you and you hit it good.
That's the thing he smokes it.
Does he.
Oh he kills it.
Yeah I smoke it for 200 yards.
You know it's all relative Paul.
It's okay.
I feel good when I hit it.
So talk to us a little bit about kind of like I know you've had some physical challenges
over the last two years and sort of how that's how you progressed and again same thing you've
had to put the work in to your health to your back to some of the things you've been trying
to do and kind of how that's helped you and just you know I think that's a good thing
for our audience to hear too.
So this is a good story and it just goes to show you that you can recover from challenges
as long as you put the time in.
Yeah.
As long as you believe in it.
So in 2018 2019 it became very painful for me to play golf.
And you know my distance was suffering.
I could move up a tee box.
You know if you hardly get out of bed the next day my back looks so sore.
So you know I don't really like going to the doctor but I finally went to a doctor and
my doctor recommended me to go to a school to orthopedics.
And so after a number of tests you know basically the doctor said from playing sports and sitting
in a chair eight or nine hours a day and just getting old you have C5 and C6 vertebrae compression
you have like a rotator tough tear you have issues in the lower back and then golfers
rolled up.
Gave you the whammy.
My wife said well you should just give up golf.
That didn't go over well.
And well that was a consideration because it was painful.
But the pain wasn't enough where I was going to give golf up.
I tell you that but the surgery was also an option.
But I saw also alternative opinions from an osteopathic.
It's like not a surgical doctor but a different kind of doctor.
Like homeopathic or something.
It's called osteopathic yes.
The medicine and so through my own I created my own wellness plan.
So I had cortisone shots that allowed me to keep playing.
That's a miracle drug.
Then we had physical therapy.
So in the rotator cuff the physical therapy actually wore down the little tear I had and
was able to begin to use my neck the way I should and my right arm the way I should.
I saw a chiropractor and put on pretty regular bases and that did wonders again with my neck
and my lower back.
Also the first six months I went to an acupuncturist.
So when you're in pain you will try anything right.
Maybe you haven't been in this position yet but when you are you will try anything.
I've been there definitely.
It didn't do anything to heal me but what they did when the pain management side was
amazing.
They actually put these little seeds or little things in your ear you could press when your
neck was hurting or back was hurting.
You press it and somehow the pain went away.
I don't know how it worked.
That's amazing.
I will vouch for it.
It did work.
Then I took PRP treatments in the elbow.
Plasma replacement surgery.
So about a year and a half later I was ready to graduate to getting physical therapy and
the acupuncture and everything else and I started going to the gym three times a week.
I got a trainer and then started getting stretched every week at the stretch zone.
As a result I'm playing golf pain free today.
That's amazing.
From my side Paul and hearing that story I think that is I don't know but I'd say 75%
of the golfers who play over 50 years old probably have that story.
Yeah or some of those pains for sure.
I think it's great that a couple things that you didn't just decide to give up the game
that you decided to kind of go figure out your own therapy plan which is a great way
to say it too.
Then also you stuck with it.
You keep finding other alternatives.
I've done acupuncture.
I tell people that.
I think that's an amazing therapy.
Again, it doesn't matter.
I don't know how it works.
I don't know how a car works either but I drive a car.
But chiropractic is really important.
I've always had good chiropractors around me.
I always wish I could use them more often meaning like financially type of stuff.
But if you can't then I will get up at 6 o'clock in the morning, go to Amazon Prime, type in
yoga and there's a bunch of different videos on yoga, stretching, Pilates, whatever.
There's so many resources out there that you can access through social media type of things
that you just got to get off the couch.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right, Paul, you just got to, you can't just sit there.
Get active.
Yep.
Yes.
So I'm a person that needs that extra little push.
That's why I have a trainer.
That's why I go see a person at StretchStone that actually stretches.
And so it forces you to do it.
Right.
I don't have your disposable income, Paul.
I'm trying but I don't have the...
Well a trainer holds you accountable, right?
I mean he's going to hold you accountable to all that.
Splash fund.
That's great.
No, that's great though, man.
And I've seen it in how your ball striking has improved and it's not always you're hitting
it another 30 yards further, but you're hitting it another 10 to 15 to 20 yards further.
I've seen that in the progression over the last three years with you.
So I just think it's a good thing and I think it's a good lesson for our listeners.
Absolutely.
It has showed up.
I had an eagle putt this year on our par 5, Doug.
What the heck?
Wow.
And he actually had a 260 yard drive.
It was downhill, but the guy said, you hit the ball 260 yards.
Nice.
We don't bring that up.
It's been a long, long time.
Yeah.
We just make you move back a tee box if you keep doing that, Paul.
So don't bring that story up too often.
You know, Bill and Drew and Russell will not want to hear that one.
Oh yeah.
They already want to put me in a box.
That's funny.
Well, that's great, man.
And then now let's get back to your professional life a little bit.
So kind of give us the overview of what you do daily, weekly and kind of like how you
affect.
I think it's important to see the back end of some of this industry that me and you live
in.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
You know, like me and you, we walk into a golf course or I do now, but like we walk
into a golf course, we got a point of sale system.
The credit card processing is working.
You know, if I need to order something, I know which website to go to and how to do
it and that type of thing.
If I need to talk to a salesperson, I just call them up and they have access to all these
different resources.
Yeah.
So now Paul, from your side, kind of how do you support all that that I just described?
Well, for 25 years now, golf has been in my blood.
And so it's just a great industry to be a part of, fun industry to be a part of.
So you know, there's not many of me in the golf world out there, but I enjoy my job every
day.
So as CIO of Mederberk Golf, I'm responsible for, you know, all the marketing materials
and all the technology, anything that plugs into a wall you see on the Internet, whatever
else for a golf course management, a golf course maintenance and our golf course supply
division.
So yeah, you know, I've been heavily involved with the point of sale tournament, point of
sale systems, going way back to IBS to easy links now to.
It's been a long journey to see how much of that industry has changed.
On the golf venture side, that company distributes to Florida, the Caribbean.
So we carry products like Earthworks, Grant, LaFrance Nutrition, Gregg's Brothers, Far
Aid, Standard, etc.
So anything that a superintendent would need to, you know, treat a course, manage a course,
make it improve a golf course, we sell those products.
And so we have a mobile sales force.
And so I put tools into the mobile sales force's hands to make sure that they can prescribe.
They're like they're grass doctors.
And you know, I put tools in their hands to make sure that they can write prescriptions
to solve golf course problems.
Back at the corporate office, you know, I have systems to make sure that we have inventory,
that the bill is in order, and that we don't run out of anything that a golf course needs.
Gotcha.
So yeah, there's a lot behind the scenes that goes on that, you know, the regular golfer
when he tees it up just doesn't realize, you know, the management of the course, the irrigation,
the tools that the people need.
You know, we just think that it's 30 bucks in a golf cart, right?
Paul took me on a little tour of his corporate office there one day after playing golf in
the National.
And they've got flag sticks in the inventory, like in the warehouse, right?
They've got costs.
And you don't think like, again, like you're saying, we just go into the golf course, the
flag sticks there, the cups there, of course it is.
Yeah.
But that's kind of like the back end of it is to know that there's guys like him, you
know, and people on the ground who are doing this every day.
Yeah, the lifeblood of a golf club, you know, really the golf course, that's, you know,
where they go to get their materials.
That's amazing.
Right.
Superintendents.
Yeah.
And they can call us.
So, and unfortunately, many aren't caught in time or it's too late to apply something.
But if they need something, an emergency treatment, you know, for an outbreak of, you know, for
algae or fungus or like a...
Goosegrass or something or whatever.
Yeah.
Goosegrass, a whole different story.
That's called pre-emergent.
And you have to either kill it, one plant at a time, or you got to prevent it from coming
up in the first place.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I'm going to go back to IBS.
You mentioned that.
That's kind of a quick term that a lot of our listeners wouldn't know.
So IBS was a...
I'm going to say it, I'm hoping I'm saying it correctly.
One of the first point of sale systems that I ever worked on was at Heritage Isles.
And Heritage Isles opened up in 2000 and I was like the very first assistant pro.
So I got hired six months before the golf course got open.
Okay.
Wow.
So me and the head pro were, you know, getting the trailer set up and we had to learn this
new computer system called point of sale system called IBS.
And then now the progression of where that's come from, like IBS world to they still might
be in business.
I'm not saying they aren't, but sort of the progression of like club profit systems and
golf now.
And there's just so many new point of sale systems that are probably quicker, better
than they were 20 years ago.
Like your cell phone was slow and 20 years ago.
Correct.
Or your car.
Yeah.
So have you seen that growth to Paul, like just how much...
And it's golfer driven, meaning the golfer wants to make a tee time online.
They don't necessarily want to call the golf course.
Convenience.
You know, so that can you talk a little bit to that?
And even just in general, the growth of golf in the past three years since COVID.
So just maybe a generalized question.
Yeah.
So I'm going to go take it back a little bit further than that.
So first of all, who would name a company after your total battles?
Very true.
However, you know, IBS was a leader in that space back in the very early 2000s.
And in fact, we had 50 golf courses running it.
But over the years, IBS was bought by Golf Now merged with Easy Links.
And now it's all part of the Golf Now platform.
Okay.
That's interesting.
So there's been a ton of consolidation in the Golf Now, in the golf world.
So yeah, so there used to be 40, 30 or 40, you know, property management options and
corner sale options.
Now there's really only six to eight.
Yeah.
You see that at the PGA show now, because that whole space used to be like, like you
said 30 or 40 booths, and now it's like six or 10 or whatever.
I just thought they weren't showing up.
They ate each other up.
Okay.
However, I go to the golf show, I'm looking, that's one of the things I'm going to be
looking at the golf show for sure.
The POS vendor, what my options are.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And then how about the growth of the game over the past kind of three to five years?
And do you maybe even a little forecast?
Do you think it's going to keep going?
I got my thoughts on that too, but kind of where have you seen it go the last, since
COVID started?
Well, there is no doubt that COVID was good for the game of golf.
We've seen tremendous growth in all areas of our business, in the golf supply and in
the rounds side of the business.
In fact, we've had, I want to say, 36 straight months of year over year, month to month comparison,
revenue of over 12%.
Wow.
How many months did you say?
26?
36.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Okay.
In addition to that, some were even higher than that.
So it's hard to imagine that kind of growth to continue.
Right.
I mean, so I mean, our markets are well defined.
There's only a certain number of golf courses out there, right?
So that we can sell to or manage or maintain.
Right.
So the only way to grow is to, what we've been doing is stealing our competitors business,
obviously, doing a better job than what they do.
But that has to be fed through customers coming to your course because of the conditions and
how they're treated there at the course.
Yeah.
How about something that me and you talked about a little bit in the past?
Some of these colleges and high schools and sort of the athletic fields, maybe even like
a Disney, like some of their agronomy, but just you guys are starting to service that
or maybe you've been servicing it a long time, but there's a growth market there too, is
that correct?
Yeah.
In fact, golf is a miniscule market compared to turf and ornamental in Florida.
Interesting.
I want to say that T&O, as we call it, is probably 10 to 20 times the size of golf.
Wow.
Interesting.
In terms of servicing purchasing.
So for years, we just ignored that.
But we've hired a couple of PhDs on our staff and they're going out and they're focusing
on landscape companies.
They're focusing on colleges, they're focusing on athletic fields and parks in Iraq.
And so that's also a continued to our growth, certainly from a zero to several million dollars
a year now in that business to service those customers.
People want their kids to play on beautiful fields, just like the pros do.
In fact, the pros want to play on beautiful fields too.
So it's been pretty good.
I came in this morning early, I had a couple lessons here at eight and then one at nine.
So I came in around 730, I turned on the Golf Channel and they were showing the Shell's
wonderful Waldo Golf, some of those matches from the 70s and 80s, Paul.
And it was amazing to see Al Guyberger playing, maybe like a player or Nicholas type of guy.
But the conditions of the golf courses in the 70s and 80s, and I mean fairways, right?
The ball doesn't roll out.
We talked to a Calaway rep a couple weeks ago and he says the fairways are like runways
on the PGA Tour.
And there's a reason they're hitting at 370.
Yeah, they're getting a little help.
Getting a little help from the agronomist.
You guys are all kind of part of all that process of making whatever the product is
as good as it can be for the consumer, whatever the consumer is, right?
So there is a change coming in golf that I feel was put on hold a little bit by COVID.
But golf courses are going to be going to a more of a natural type of treatment, birth
friendly type of treatments instead of killing everything in the ground as far as the scratch.
They're going to be putting stuff in the ground to decently improve what's already there and
make that fight off infections and bugs and whatever else.
That is your best option to have a great golf course.
Plus it's better for the environment.
And keeps the chemicals and all that price down and stuff like that, I'm sure for the
course too, right?
Yep.
And also the chemical side, I'd like to say that now it's coming from multiple sources,
not just China.
And so chemical prices are dropping weekly.
Okay.
That's great to hear.
Yeah.
So not everything, but most of them have dropped significantly.
So literally we want to turn that stuff over because it's, you know, you buy it for $50
a gallon this week and it's $47 next week.
Yeah.
Oh, that makes sense.
Yeah.
So the days of curfew, and that's one of those chemicals that I remember from like the Orlando
days up there, just they would literally curfew the chemical.
Yeah.
Essentially kill everything on the ground and it gets rid of the nematodes, but then
it also gets rid of a lot of other things too.
Correct.
So some of those things, Paul, like you're saying, they're just kind of being transferred
and maybe more environmentally friendly almost, maybe that term, kind of those types of things.
Yeah, so obviously if you have a bad nematode infection, curfews, you're only one of your
best options.
Yeah.
But if you have just a good, the new fairway or a fairway that's in good shape or green
that's in good shape, you can use organic products that contain nematode fighting bacteria
in them.
Okay.
So there's bacteria out there that actually attack and eat nematodes.
Wow.
They occur naturally, but you can get concentrates of it and then they actually live in the roots
of your plants.
So it makes your plants like super plants.
Interesting.
Hey, Paul, this has been great.
I feel like we could do the two hour session with you.
You have so much knowledge and I definitely appreciate you coming on.
I appreciate you being one of my friends and look forward to playing more golf with you.
But again, just from myself and I know TMAC will end it here, but just want to say thank
you for coming on and sharing your information.
Yeah.
Happy New Year's guys.
And yeah, so I just love the game of golf.
I can talk about it for days and days.
So don't let me, just cut me off.
No problem.
Do you want more players in the Walker Cup?
Do you want to keep that where you're at?
Do you want me to like promote that all on the podcast or?
Sure.
I mean, so you can tell them to go to the walkercup.us to see what we're all about.
If they want to copy what we're doing, make that a model for their own group.
Or if they're in Tampa, they can look to join us.
Although this is already almost a second full time job.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's like cat wrangling, I'm sure.
But I don't get like warm wrangling.
But it's again, a labor of love.
Yeah.
Great.
It's a great time.
It's a good thing for whether you join the Walker Cup or develop your own or just go
play in something.
Just get out there and be with some buddies, get sociable, just get out there and have
fun.
Right?
This is it.
Yeah.
That's the whole thing.
And if you don't do it, if you start doing it, you will get it.
Yeah.
That's true.
I'm warning you, you will get it.
Yeah.
Build it and they will come, right?
Yes.
So Paul, we really appreciate it.
Want to thank all of our listeners.
Want to wish everybody a Happy New Year.
For my friend, Sean Klotz here.
Hey golfers, we really enjoy what we're doing here.
Hope you guys enjoy this.
If you want to like it and share it with some people, that'd be great for us.
Get some more momentum.
But Paul, once again, thank you.
Have a Happy New Year and I'll talk to you in the new year.
Bye, guys.
All right, Paul.
See you.
Help me cure my over top, please.
Yes, sir.
It's a lot of work there, bud.
Anyways, talk to you later, man.
All right.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
Have a great week.
Thanks for having me.