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So get ready to tee off with Swing Theory Golf.

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Welcome to Dynamic Golf.

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So welcome back everybody.

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Welcome to Dynamic Golf.

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I'm your co-host Tim McElvanagh here, the owner and operator of Swing Theory Golf and

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my co-host Sean Glotz.

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Hey golfers, how you doing?

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Owner of One Stop Golf Club in Wesley Chapel.

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So today we have a special guest, a fellow PGA member, a master club fitter and the owner

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and operator of Pure Science Golf, Mr. Sean Van Patten.

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Thank you for coming on.

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Thanks guys, thanks for having me.

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Looking forward to it.

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Good.

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Feels like old home week right here for me boys.

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Absolutely.

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I don't know what you guys are thinking but it's crazy.

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So we all worked together a couple years ago over at Silverado, what five, six years ago.

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It's very interesting to see that our paths have varied quite differently from where we

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started off to.

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So Sean, tell us about your journey and how you've gone to where you are now.

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Well obviously, you know, I was an assistant pro at Silverado for five or six years under

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Sean, you know, obviously working with Tim.

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A lot of day to day operations, running tee sheets, setting up tournaments, stuff like

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that.

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You know, just your normal assistant professional stuff and one of my life goals and journeys

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has always been to get into club fitting and kind of be more on that side of the golf aspect.

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So about five years ago I had an opportunity to join the Pure Science team which is a custom

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club fitting shop down in Clearwater, Florida.

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And you know, it's been an amazing journey.

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You know, it's a wonderful operation.

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We got a great group of guys that work for us and just the amazing kind of opportunities

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to learn more about club fitting and kind of bring that to our clients and see how easy

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it is to have, you know, golf games improve based off of club fitting aspect but also

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take a little bit of the teaching aspect into it as well.

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Gotcha.

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Very cool.

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Very cool.

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Yeah.

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So the cool thing to me is that, you know, all three of us, like you kind of find your

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comfort zone or what you're good at.

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And I love Sean Van Patten to death, but he was not great at being an assistant pro.

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Best on the planet.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I mean that in the most loving way.

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It's just that, you know, he could always tell he was back there in the club repair

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room that he kind of created.

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Essentially, we didn't have one at Silverado and he was always tinkering on stuff and just

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always reading, always watching YouTube.

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Like just so many things he would come up to me about.

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And I'd be like, Sean, I don't have time for this.

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I got to take care of the members needs at that point or whatever.

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And he was great, you know, in the operations side.

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I don't mean it in a negative way.

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It's just you could tell that his passion was, you know, being on the technical side

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really and even work in your own game.

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Because when I first met you, you had probably been playing like a year, a year and a half

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maybe.

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And you've been playing a lot of feet and golf for sure.

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Especially taking it seriously.

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Like 30ish, 28ish, 27?

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The first time I picked up a club, I was like 21.

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But I really didn't get into like the actual like golf aspect playing until I was like

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And you're already 38 now or?

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I just turned 41 this year.

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So I mean in the world of stuff where I played golf since I was 13, when did you pick it

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up T-Mac?

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Five.

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There you go.

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And we're still not as good.

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So I mean, and that's the other thing too about, about, we call them VP listeners, by the way,

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just so I'm going to go with that.

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But VP always was hitting balls.

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I mean, constantly hitting golf balls to the extent where he's still married, but you know,

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Elaine is a great woman.

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But you could just tell that you always wanted to work on your game and you got the bug and

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you had a good mentor, Tim Pultz, which we've talked about on this before.

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And I think it's interesting because as somebody who's trying to improve your game, you look

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at different avenues.

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So you look at, you know, swing theory and different ways to, you know, try to improve

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your game through technique.

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But then for me on the equipment side, you know, I really started diving into equipment

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once I started to get probably somewhere, maybe around like a 10 handicap, I really

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started messing around with stuff, trying to figure out, okay, are there certain ways

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that I can go to try to help improve the consistency of what I was trying to do with my golf swing

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and stuff like that.

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And I think there's a lot of people out there who they don't realize that the two are married

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You know, I mean, you look at the best players in the world and there's a reason that they're

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playing the equipment they're playing, obviously besides getting paid millions of dollars to

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do it.

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You know, what they have works for them within the company that they're with.

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So you know, it's definitely not a one size fits all, you know, something's going to fit

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me that's different than what's going to fit Klotz and what's going to fit T Mac over here.

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So it's definitely an experience and a journey that, you know, you got to be on for, you

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know, quite a while before you can start to figure some stuff out.

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Yeah.

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So I got I got more if you want me to keep going.

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Keep going.

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Let's let's go.

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So I mean, ironically, I'm meeting with our Callaway sales rep yesterday, Scott Sullivan

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in our area, and he's talking about the new AI putter that Callaway is coming up with.

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Callaway's gotten big in AI and you know, strokes gained is a term you hear on tour

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a lot.

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I'm not sure all of our listeners totally understand it, but but bottom line is it differentiates

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big prize money versus small prize money.

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Yeah, they're trying to find those guys on tour are trying to find decimal incremental

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changes to their game.

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A third of a stroke here.

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So they had this chart of basically of the if if Rom John Rom had used now again, you

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got it coming from a salesman.

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I love Scott, but I've listened to him for 20 years to different sales guys who are always

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pumping there.

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So basically, he said if they had this chart and if John Rom had used the AI putter with

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better heel toe balance on it and more face control, he would have won an additional $8

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million last year.

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And when they show that that chart to Rom, yeah, he's pissed.

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What the hell do you mean?

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How did I not have this last year?

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Why was that on my back?

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Because he's playing an Odyssey putter, right?

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And he puts unbelievably makes a ton of putts.

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But the difference was the three putt ratio from that 3027 to 30 feet ratio.

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Yeah, where those guys three putt sometimes too.

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Yeah, but this technology this AI putter the way it comes off the face, whatever that is,

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supposedly is going to change that for him.

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So it doesn't matter whether you're a brand new beginner golfer who typically, what do

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they do?

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They get their clubs from their husband, right?

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If it's a lady, right?

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Or as juniors, your dad, right?

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Grandparents, like we played with old stuff.

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Yeah, I'm old.

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So I played persimmon back in the day.

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So did I.

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And then they're older than me.

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So it doesn't matter if you're that brand new beginner golfer or the literally top two

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player in the world.

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The equipment matters.

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Correct.

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For sure.

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And it's weird to think this because a lot of people think that the better you are, the

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equipment matters more.

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And I would actually say the vice versa, right?

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So obviously, when people come into the shop, they always ask me questions like, well, how

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good do I need to be to go through a club fitting?

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And our biggest thing is always, well, if you're a beginner, we just want to try to

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make sure that the length is correct and the weight is correct.

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I'm not so much worried about stuff like shaft flex and stuff like that.

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You could take a tour player and give them anything and I guarantee you they can play.

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But you take the average person and you give them something that's too heavy and in the

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incorrect length and stuff like that, they're going to struggle quite a bit.

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So there's very basic fittings you can go through to just kind of get you into stuff

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that's going to match up to what you're doing to start with and then as you improve, you

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can kind of get a little bit more detailed into what you need.

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So there's all sorts of different levels of fitting and kind of how the equipment performs.

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You know, and the amazing thing nowadays is nobody makes bad stuff.

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You know, that's what's so good about it now.

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I mean, doesn't matter any of the big brand names, you know, everybody makes good stuff.

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That's what I tell people too, like that $600 driver, the $500 driver, once you get to that

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Yeah, you it's really just what do you like the look of?

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I mean, maybe I'm simplifying it for what you do, Sean, but it's you got to get the

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right shaft.

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That's the engine.

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You know, I mean, especially, you know, as far as like how we would operate from, you

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know, if somebody was coming in the shop to do like a fitting, you know, and, and I was

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just talking to Klotz and TMac before we got on here, kind of, you know, just talking about

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the difference of like, you know, how they would do a fitting where they are versus how

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we would do a fitting.

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A lot of it really is options, you know, I mean, in my shop, we've got around 50,000

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different hitting combinations that you could hit.

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And obviously, we would never go through that many during a session, but it's having, you

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know, a multitude of different shafts that you can try with a multitude of different

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heads.

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So, you know, maybe you fit into a graphite design shaft or, you know, a Mitsubishi shaft

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or something like that with a driver.

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And then you try that on different heads and you realize, man, this shaft combination with

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this Cobra head or this tailor made or Titleist head, that's what's really matching up to

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So it's just, you know, it's just options to try to kind of dial in, you know, everybody's

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looking for launch and spin and better dispersion patterns.

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That's essentially what we're trying to do from fittings.

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And is that what you're really trying to look at is those stats right there when you're

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doing a club hitting?

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Yeah, especially for kind of two different levels of player, better players, and honestly,

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a little bit of an older player, because as you age, you start to lose speed.

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So what generally happens is as you lose speed, you don't launch the ball high enough.

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So we're always looking for ways to try to increase launch and spin kind of for the older

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player, you'd be surprised that actually increase in launch and spin will get you some distance

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back.

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And probably for the better player, a little bit faster club head speed, say with drivers,

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say 100 miles an hour or more.

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I think the average male is still right around 92 miles an hour is kind of still the average

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club head speed, which is weird to say when you see all these guys on tour swinging at

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120 plus.

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But at that stage, when you start to get into 100, if the swing technique is decent, so

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you're hitting fairly level to a little up, then we're going to be looking for, you know,

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13 to 15 launch in 22 to 2500 spins.

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So you know, if you have decent technique and we're not getting that, then there's definitely

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gains out there from a performance standpoint, you can get from equipment.

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Gotcha.

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I think that's, I feel like we could do a five hour podcast, you know, all three of

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us, and we're going to have you come back.

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Yeah, because there's just so much great information that we're talking about here for the average,

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like you say, beginner average, in advanced top scale level player.

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So you touched on something and you did also mentioned that I was the oldest in the group,

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so I'll bring it up.

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So I don't think I said that out loud.

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So 52 years old and you got again, your, your, your friend Tim Pultz, our friend or whatever,

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he's about the same age, I think.

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And our friend, Fred Bender, like he's a little bit older than that.

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Yeah.

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So you know, he's in his seventies.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the biggest thing every time you talk to Freddie, what does he complain about?

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Oh, I don't hit it far.

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Exactly.

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He gave him a wedge for a hundred yards.

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He's going to hit inside four feet every single time.

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Yeah.

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So, but the, but the thing about it, and you see it with the, with the manufacturers.

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So I'm going to use Mizuno as the example.

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They come up with, with their HL ions.

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Great iron.

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Yeah.

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HL, high loft.

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Yeah.

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And as a retailer for the last three years, consumer walks in, oh no, I don't want to

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hit it higher.

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Well, you just said it.

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You, you, you don't have the speed anymore.

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Yeah.

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You're going to actually hit it further if you can get the ball to carry more.

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What's amazing about that is I'll always ask customers when they're in the shop, I'll say,

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Hey, what do you think of your trajectory?

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Do you think you hit a high, low, medium relative to the players you play?

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And I would say 90% of them always say they hit it high.

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But when you actually get data and you show them and you're like, Hey, well you're peeking

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out with a seven iron at 55 feet.

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And then you give them something and they start hitting it about 80 feet in the air

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and they pick up eight to 10 yards of carry.

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They're like, well, I guess I don't hit it very high.

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Like, no, you don't.

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No, no, absolutely.

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It's a, it's so important.

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So let's get to the, you know, crux of the matter, whatever you want to call it.

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So as a retailer, I'm going to say that again, me and TMac, we're kind of like scratch handicap,

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you know, fitters, like we're really good in the world.

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We know a lot of the differences of shafts.

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We understand how if somebody comes in with a high spinning driver, other than fixing

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their golf swing, you know, what we can do with the club itself, move the weights a little

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bit, that type of thing.

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But why, you know, why is it one price at our place and then at your place, essentially

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it's, it's, it's higher because you're getting a more thorough fit.

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Maybe like you said, when you walk in your place, you have last time I was there at least

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500 shafts on the wall and at least 150 different heads.

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So I mean, it's got to be part of that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, obviously the options are a little bit of the part of it, but again, and I mean,

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I've been a PGA pro now at an actual class a guy for three years now, but I've been,

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we won't talk about how long it took him to get through the process.

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I've been involved with golf now for probably around 13 years.

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And I think the biggest difference that I've learned coming through the industry and being

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involved as an assistant pro and ordering clubs through the golf shop and then checking

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things is as good as the equipment is from a performance standpoint, the stuff coming

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in, how you ordered it, especially like irons and wedges for loss lies a lot of times, sometimes

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nobody really builds a swing weight anymore.

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So the kind of difference that I explained to everybody that comes in the shop is basically

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instead of ordering these from basically a plant, a manufacturing plant, we're essentially

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a tour van for everybody.

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Right?

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So we're going to tour, have their stuff built by a specific team that are going to have,

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you know, their tolerances are the tightest on the planet.

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That's essentially what we are for every single player.

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Right?

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You know, um, uh, frequency is a way to talk about flex.

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So all of our stuff is frequency match so that your, your four iron swings exactly like

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your eight iron and your eight iron feels exactly like your wedge.

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And you know, so everything's mapped out.

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Um, that's important right there.

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So even though it says stiff or regular on the flex, the shaft, those, those factories

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and this has been going on for 30 years since I've been in the business.

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Yeah.

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There is no industry standard for flex.

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So I mean, you know, when we look at it from a flex standpoint, we kind of have a guideline

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on where we would like to see, let's say we have a so-called flex stiff or a stiff flex

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that we would chart.

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And you know, that might be, uh, for a driver shaft at 45 and a half inches, that might

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be 255 cycles per minute from a frequency standpoint, you know, so I mean, there's some

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companies who might label a stiff flex and it might come out at two 40 and there's some

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companies that might label a stiff flex and it'll come out at, you know, two 62.

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So there's no industry standard.

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And that's also why a lot of times, sometimes you might see somebody who has a fairly fast

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swing but night might not be in your standard X flex because it's all about, uh, profile

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of shaft, how stiff it is, where it's stiff.

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So is it stiff in the handle?

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Is it stiff in the tip, the midsection?

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So there's so many different things that go into not only from a fitting standpoint, but

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an actual, you know, what do you fit with to take that into consideration with what

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you're going to build with, you know, are the clubs going to be over length?

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Do you need to make sure that, uh, total weight and swing weight are going to be correct for

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the player?

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And, you know, it's, it's, we're not just a manufacturing plant that basically gets a

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sheet in, pulls a bunch of parts, glues them together, puts grits on them and sends them

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out the door.

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You know, everything is weighed out, sorted, all the grips are weighed out, all the heads

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are weighed out.

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If a shaft, if we test it and say the frequency on it's a little bit too high, we don't use

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that shaft.

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We'll pull another shaft off the wall and check it.

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So you know, it's just level of tolerance on builds and then, you know, consistency

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from one club to the next, that's going to be the biggest difference on, you know, why

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an easiest example I would say is difference would be as you walk into the men's warehouse

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and you buy a suit off the rack, you go to Armani or something like that and you actually

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get fitted for a suit.

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You know, that's, that's going to be kind of the easiest way to understand the difference.

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Yeah.

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I hear a lot of people say, Oh, I got, you know, fitted over at the PJ super store and

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it's really just, Hey, they, they made me swing a couple of times and they said, this

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is the best one off the wall and here you go.

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And, and they claimed that they got club fitted, you know, and I'm like, yeah.

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And you know, I mean, the thing about that is, is there are a lot of really good fitters

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out there that are, have their hands tied because of the situation that they're in,

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you know?

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So talking about, you know, like a big box store, PGA tour, super store or Edwin lots

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or you know, golf galaxy, anything like that, you could actually potentially have a situation

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where you have somebody who's interested in actually fitting you correctly, but they might

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not have the options to make it perfect.

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Yeah.

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Or the equipment.

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Yeah.

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You know, we, we've had a few competitors fit some customers of ours and they've come

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back and we've done like a retro fit for them and they're surprised that, well, I was told

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this was the best, but you've obviously improved off of that.

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So, you know, it's, it's definitely not a one size fits all.

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And unfortunately in the fitting business, you're kind of limited to what you have.

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And you know, I would say we have quite a few options to be able to try to make sure,

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you know, we're going to be pretty damn close to getting it right by the time we're, you

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know, done and said,

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Thank you.

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Again, I got three things I want to get to, but I'll start with the one.

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So back in the day, 25, 30 years ago.

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So let me go backwards first.

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So I have a track man in my studio that T Mac teaches off of that I teach off of you

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have track man as well.

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Yep.

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Period.

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Period.

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So that's kind of period.

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Like that's like we've invested $20,000 into a machine that guess what?

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It might cost you a few more dollars to get the perfect set of clubs for you.

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There's a reason.

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Yeah.

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Because when you do go into, I'm going to use Dick's cause I don't want to really pick

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on PJ super store golf galaxy because I feel like those guys are golf specific.

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Yes.

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They might be selling pickleball on the side now.

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Okay.

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But they are golf specific.

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When the customer comes into me and says, Oh, I got fit down at Dick's again, nothing

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against the employee, but that person is covering from the tennis side or from the boating side.

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Yeah.

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Because the golf guy didn't in the golf guy is not as qualified as we are.

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I don't, I mean,

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I think they got rid of the PGA guys.

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They did.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, it's just some retail guy working back behind her that enjoys the game of golf.

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Yeah.

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And again, nothing against that person.

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It's just, you are going to get what you pay for.

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Correct.

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So in my world to bring it down to the, to the retail side on my side, it was, well,

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I got fit at Dick's or the one I loved.

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And we, me and TMAC talked about this before you got here.

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VP was a, my buddy says I'm swinging really fast on the course.

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I need to get a stiffer shaft.

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Yeah.

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So I asked them, where's the ball flight?

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Well, it's low and right.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well, you probably don't need stiffer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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you know, I mean, the thing is too, is, um, you know, generally friends are there to be

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friends and they're trying to help you out.

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But I've met very few friends that actually can tell people kind of what they should be

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swinging.

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They should be swinging.

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So, uh, some of the best, uh, stuff I've seen on the golf course is when a buddy grabs another

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friend and says, Hey, uh, try this.

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Let's see you do this.

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And then the guy doesn't make it off the tee.

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The next four holes.

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Yeah.

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And we all, I think as a, as teachers, we all, I'm going to say it for me.

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I think all of you guys do.

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We hate teaching on the golf course, right?

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We hate giving advice.

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It's almost impossible.

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It is correct.

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Cause as soon as we give it and that, and that does happen poorly.

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Cause the guy hasn't, he hasn't practiced the thousands of hours like we have with hitting

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a seven iron, whatever prior to hitting it on the golf course.

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So he tries it on the course, doesn't, and then reverts back and you lost him because

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you, yeah.

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So that didn't work.

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Yeah.

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Go back to YouTube, sir.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right.

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And that's the other thing too, is, you know, you'll see people come in and they'll be like,

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uh, Hey, I've been, you know, I'll give you an example.

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I was given a lesson to a guy who's starting to get pretty good.

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And he's, when he first came into me, he was about a 12 handicap and now he's down to around

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a seven.

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And then he brings up, well, I was watching YouTube.

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I saw that.

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Wait a second.

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Wait a second.

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When did I say you can watch YouTube?

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So yeah, exactly.

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I'm going to do that.

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Yeah, we still have that.

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So again, you mentioned some stuff in there.

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So you have some equipment that, that we don't have access to kind of what you said.

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Like you said, there's just some fitters out there that don't have access.

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So you kind of glossed over this term for the, for the golfer out there is CPMs is cycles

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per minute.

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Right?

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That's a way to measure the frequency of the shaft.

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Typically it's done with the head on, but the grip off.

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Is that correct?

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There's different ways.

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So we actually have some chucks that we would attach to a raw shaft that are going to weigh

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similar to what a club head will weigh.

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So we can do it that way or we can do it with a club head.

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We always measure it.

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You can measure it both.

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So the actual CPM you would be trying to get would be what raw shaft would be because grip

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densities and thicknesses and materials will influence CPM slightly.

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So you know, true flex, you're trying to have basically a finished length club with the

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head weight you're going to be playing, you know, and then check it on that.

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So they'll always feel softer with a grip on just because of the material, unless you're

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playing maybe something super firm, like a Z cord golf pride Z cords, probably the firmest

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grip on the market.

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So if you have that, that'll still feel pretty firm, even relative to the, the frequency

479
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,040
if you want to call it, but it's just a frequency CPM.

480
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,120
It's just a simple way for us to make sure.

481
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:33,120
So when you go through a fitting with us, we check the actual CPM of the club that you've

482
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:37,800
used and then the club that we're going to build is built exactly to that.

483
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:44,920
So for example, stiffness, when a shaft comes in raw from the manufacturer, say a driver

484
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:51,600
shaft, say the club that you hit was a two 64 CPM at 45 and a half inches.

485
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:57,480
Basically we're going to take that raw and mark the shaft at 45 and a half inches and

486
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,780
a playing length without cutting it, just actually market.

487
00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:03,200
We're going to check the CPM at that length.

488
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,560
And if it's under the CPM, well, we may tip trim it just a smidge to try to get the CPM

489
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,240
up a swing weight.

490
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,680
We'll have an effect on CPM because as a club head gets heavier, it actually softens the

491
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,680
shaft.

492
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,240
So that's the other thing we're trying to look into from that standpoint is trying to

493
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,920
make sure, okay, well we know we've got to come up three swing weight points.

494
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,240
So that's going to drop the CPM three to four CPM.

495
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,360
So then we have to figure out, okay, well maybe we have to tip trim this an extra half

496
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,160
inch to make sure when the swing weight comes out that it's playable.

497
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:43,080
So it's a little bit of math and stuff that go on into it, but once you kind of understand

498
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,280
the dynamics of weight and shaft flex and stuff, you can kind of get a good little rhythm

499
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,640
going when you're building a set.

500
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,320
I think the other thing that VP has that we don't have, we have a loft and line machine,

501
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,120
a Mitchell loft and line machine, which is the industry standard.

502
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,860
I'm going to still say it's an old school industry standard.

503
00:25:00,860 --> 00:25:02,520
It's still one that you would use.

504
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,760
So I feel very comfortable bending somebody's clubs on it, checking the lies on it.

505
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,160
Side note, I was actually at the PGA show probably, whatever, sometime in the past 10

506
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,480
years, went into one of the educational seminars.

507
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,360
Keds signed up for it online, didn't know who I was going to see.

508
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,880
And I went in, it was the guy talking about club making and I got there two minutes late

509
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,120
so I didn't miss the introduction type of thing.

510
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:30,080
And basically I thought the greatest point I got out of that seminar was that he said

511
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:36,080
the best way to get fit period is to do it blind, to not know what you're hitting, right?

512
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:43,120
Like to not have a company in your head, not have a shaft, I got to hit the graphite design,

513
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,680
orange, ADI, whatever.

514
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,280
Yeah, you know, I would say as you know, open with it.

515
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:54,600
Yeah, we're an exact, we're an agnostic fitting facility, which means basically even though

516
00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:02,000
I've been on staff with Shrixon and Titleist and stuff in the past, I don't gear players

517
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:08,560
towards what I play because it's not going to match up to everybody.

518
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:14,560
You know, I think from a fitter, probably the one thing that surprised me over the last,

519
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:22,160
especially three to four years, is how good a brand like Cobra is.

520
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,160
And people don't think that because they don't spend a lot of money on advertising and stuff

521
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,160
like that.

522
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,480
They just got Bryson as far as I know, like I'm sure they have others.

523
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,360
He's gone now, he's not even with them.

524
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,240
Because he got grumpy with them.

525
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:43,660
Yeah, and I would say that from a driver standpoint, they have one of if not the best performing

526
00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:47,560
drivers on the planet and you just don't hear a lot of people, right?

527
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,600
Everybody wants to try new Callaway and wants to try new TaylorMade and stuff like that.

528
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,880
You know, we're open to trying everything, but we always tell people, hey, I need you

529
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,780
to be open to trying something that's outside your comfort zone.

530
00:26:58,780 --> 00:27:00,760
You might not think about it.

531
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,460
Because the number of times somebody comes in and says, oh, I want to get fit for this.

532
00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:08,700
And they walk out of the store not even close to what they wanted to get fit for.

533
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,920
It happens seven and a half to eight out of ten times.

534
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,140
So how frustrating is it when you actually get somebody fitted into equipment that works

535
00:27:16,140 --> 00:27:21,160
for them and they're like, no, it's got to be, I mean, that's got to be.

536
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,920
Yeah, you know, and I mean, I think that's you know, you have brand loyalists, you know,

537
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,680
I always tell people and I ask them, are you getting paid?

538
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,680
You know, that's what I ask them.

539
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,480
How much are you getting paid to play the equipment?

540
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Right.

541
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,320
So if you're looking to improve, you know, one of the unique things that we have is we

542
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,000
do quite a bit of work with a lot of local mini tour players.

543
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Okay.

544
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,360
You know, Mike Vasaki, we do a lot of his builds.

545
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,200
Austin Truslow, who's a great player.

546
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,160
I think he's actually in second stage of Q school this week.

547
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:02,680
He just played in the US Open this year at L.A. Country Club, you know, really good player.

548
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,000
So you know, we get a lot of those guys that are having us build stuff for them, check

549
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,200
specs and stuff.

550
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,240
So certain guys like that that are on staff with somebody and required to play, right?

551
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:19,220
Okay, well, we're going to fit you into what you know, you need from them.

552
00:28:19,220 --> 00:28:23,940
But if you're not getting paid or you're not getting free stuff from somebody, right?

553
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:24,940
Forget about your name.

554
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:25,940
Yeah, 100 percent.

555
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:26,940
Right.

556
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:30,080
You know, if I could grind the name off the iron, what would it matter?

557
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Exactly.

558
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,260
So, you know.

559
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:37,720
So the by the way, the gentleman that was given that seminar, his name was Ed Mitchell.

560
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,920
After after 45 minutes, I'm like, is that because I read the seminar thing.

561
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,320
I'm like, oh, that's that's the guy who invented the stupid thing.

562
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
You know, he probably knows what he's talking about.

563
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280
So it was a good, good one to understand.

564
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880
So you have a dynamic or you have a digital.

565
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Yeah, we have a loft and line machine, a loft and line machine for irons and a digital loft

566
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,040
and line machine for putter.

567
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:06,280
So you know, I mean, you can get it down to a quarter of a degree from precision standpoint.

568
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,680
You know, and I mean, it's just they're great tools to have because, you know, you're able

569
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,240
to dial in and make sure one of the things we always tell people to do after we do a

570
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,520
club fitting and stuff like that is, you know, we always try to have players come back and

571
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,840
do what we call a gapping session.

572
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,920
So when originally you go through the fitting, we understand, OK, well, your seven iron needs

573
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,320
to be bent at this loft and this line goal to make sure impact is correct and to make

574
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,920
sure the launch and spin.

575
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,960
And then we're going to build the set of irons around that.

576
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:42,280
But the thing is, is even though you'll have a really good fit set for you, not everybody

577
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,360
delivers everything the same throughout the set.

578
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,560
So certain players might deliver a five iron a little different than they'll deliver an

579
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,760
eight iron.

580
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,680
So just because the manufacturer says, oh, well, the five iron needs to be 25 degrees

581
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,160
of loft and the eight iron needs to be, you know, thirty nine doesn't necessarily mean

582
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,280
that's true.

583
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,640
We're just going to try to make sure you come back and all of your gaps between your irons

584
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,640
are correct.

585
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,880
We could care less what the actual loft on the club is as long as it's doing what it's

586
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880
supposed to.

587
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:20,080
So that's the other thing I think from a fitting standpoint is trying to have some sort of

588
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:26,040
post interaction with the fitting facility to make sure everything is, you know, gapped

589
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:31,040
out correctly and you don't have any huge, you know, oh, I hit my sand wedge 85 yards

590
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,480
and I hit my gap wedge 120.

591
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,160
OK, well, what do you hit 100?

592
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,160
I have no idea.

593
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Right.

594
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
So we want to make sure that that's not a kind of a scenario.

595
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,480
And I think that's a pretty important point is making sure that their gaping is correct.

596
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,120
You know, I think a lot of people, a lot of players just want to hit it as far as they

597
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,800
can instead of having a consistent, you know, every 10 or 12 yards.

598
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,000
But it's they just want to max it out every time.

599
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,120
A lot of players don't know what their what their yardages are there, too.

600
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800
Well, they all think it's 10 to 15 yards longer than what it actually is.

601
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,800
Right.

602
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,800
Just have no even me.

603
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,800
Yeah, right.

604
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Yeah.

605
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:12,200
So then the other question would be on the I'm going to go back to the grips that you're

606
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,520
talking about, because I know that there's difference in grip weight and that's an important

607
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,520
thing.

608
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,160
I'm going to use the putters as more of an example, because the super stroke is just,

609
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,200
you know, come on the market the last 10 years and just killed it.

610
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Yeah, by far.

611
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,000
And then you get a guy who's missing putts.

612
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Right.

613
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
And guess what?

614
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,360
He went from a standard golf pride, whatever, to a super stroke five point.

615
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,800
And he has no concept that that's 35 grams heavier or whatever.

616
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,760
And then that really changes the headway.

617
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Yeah, size, you know, diameter and stuff like that.

618
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,400
You know, I will say the one thing that's probably surprised me the most from fitting

619
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:54,560
is not only from fitting, but actually learning and studying and seeing why people do what

620
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,360
they do is I would say that there's probably maybe 10% of players on the planet who actually

621
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,080
have a putter that's actually fit for them correctly.

622
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,080
Yeah.

623
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:12,280
And the majority of people out there do not realize that head shape has a massive influence

624
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,240
on how you aim a putter alignment lines, how the net goes into the head.

625
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,960
Most people, they walk into a store, they grab something they look like the look of,

626
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,720
and they hit it and they go, oh man, this is good.

627
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,520
It says Scotty Cameron on the bottom.

628
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,900
You know, and then they come into the shop and from seven feet, right, they're aiming

629
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:34,240
the putter eight inches right or left of the hole and they're wondering why their stroke

630
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,040
is awful and they can't make putts.

631
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,020
Well, because you can't hit a barn from a foot with the face, you know.

632
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:45,080
So I always tell people who are, you know, especially players that are really looking

633
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:52,000
to try to improve their score, get fit for a putter first, because if you can aim a putter

634
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,560
where you're looking, right, then it comes down to speed and can you read a green?

635
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,880
You know, that's the number one thing I would say and, you know, grip size will have an

636
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,560
effect on, you know, your speed control and your release pattern and your tendency, you

637
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,080
know.

638
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,840
The other thing that we see from, you know, manufacturers is very rarely do we get putters

639
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,200
in that have grips on straight.

640
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Oh my God.

641
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,200
You know, I mean.

642
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,200
It's crazy.

643
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,200
It's crazy.

644
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,200
And they come into us three months later.

645
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,200
I'm missing everything right.

646
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,200
Yeah.

647
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Look at the grip.

648
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Did you look at the grip?

649
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,200
No, the grip's fine.

650
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Yeah.

651
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,200
No.

652
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,200
But the grip is in the city.

653
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,200
It's only degrees open.

654
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
That's how you came in from the manufacturer.

655
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,200
Yeah.

656
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,880
That doesn't mean that the guy at the manufacturing plant could have a bad day.

657
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Yeah.

658
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Exactly.

659
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,280
So, so I mean, definitely putter is a huge fitting aspect that we dive into.

660
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,600
A lot of people don't do it.

661
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,680
And I mean, I would honestly say if you're a player who's, you know, kind of looking

662
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,800
to improve your game, get fit for a putter before really anything else, and then see

663
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,220
what happens after that.

664
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:58,140
Literally the least fit club in the bag and you

665
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:04,620
Like VP said you just walk into a store and oh I like the look of it

666
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:10,180
I just bought one online two weeks ago because I was struggling putting in but I know what I like the look

667
00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:15,020
I will say I know what I like the face of certain putters. Yeah, I mean I have a little better

668
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:20,140
I want I wanted an alignment line that I like certain things that I and you know that I've potted with a million different putters

669
00:34:20,140 --> 00:34:25,340
I get guys all the time. I want to get fit for a driver. Well, what kind of handicap are you?

670
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:29,460
I'm a 10 handicap. Well, okay. Well, how are you hitting driver? Well, it's okay

671
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:34,320
But I'd like to pick up a little distance how many drivers around do you hit 12? How many putts around do you have?

672
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,140
Well, I have about 37. Yeah, well you think maybe we ought to improve

673
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:41,100
No question so

674
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:45,780
The other thing I was gonna say is that when I went into VP's place, this is when you first left

675
00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,060
So probably sit would you say five years?

676
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:51,140
Okay, so it was probably four and a half years ago

677
00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:54,440
But I went into his place the first time and and you didn't mention it so far

678
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,940
but the first thing that he does is he takes your set and

679
00:34:57,540 --> 00:35:04,180
Figures out what your clubs are right at that point. I had I had three different clubs for hybrid

680
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:10,560
Five wood and three wood and they all said stiff on them from the manufacturer. I won't bring it up

681
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:17,760
Yeah, remember the four hybrid was a junior flex. It was frequencying out literally junior flex on the four hybrids. Wow. I hit it so good

682
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:20,900
Yeah, best club in the back

683
00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:24,820
The five wood was like in between ladies and right and senior

684
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:31,480
Yeah, and then the three wood was in between senior or stiff and regular. Yeah Wow, but it's to the point is like again

685
00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:36,260
They're not doing what you said, you know, they're not doing the specifications that you are

686
00:35:36,260 --> 00:35:41,260
So I think we all have our place like you have your place with the clientele that you have which is great

687
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:47,740
And there's there's obviously a huge benefit that you can give them. But maybe I can't if maybe I can't afford the

688
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:51,260
Maserati, right? Maybe I can afford the Toyota Camry

689
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:56,260
That's when you come see the or when you come see me and T Mac and then if I want the

690
00:35:56,980 --> 00:36:01,380
You know, whatever the tricycle or whatever the moped then you go then

691
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:06,700
You go then yeah, then you go down to a big box store pick it up go play

692
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:09,900
But yeah, you got to figure out who you are budget wise a little bit

693
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:16,340
Yeah, but also what you're trying to get out of the game. Yeah, you know an amazing thing nowadays is in general, you know

694
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:21,140
Use Google as a platform to try to get an idea of

695
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:23,860
positive feedback from

696
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:25,780
Facilities and stuff like that, you know

697
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:31,420
I mean, there's a lot of really good information out there about good fitters and there's some you know information

698
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:36,300
Out there about not so good fitters and stuff like that. So use that

699
00:36:36,740 --> 00:36:39,400
In the area that you're in to try to figure out

700
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:39,900
Okay

701
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:44,700
There's a ton of good feedback about this fitter and then kind of what he does and this guy's nice

702
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:48,260
Doesn't have such good feedback. So, you know generally

703
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:54,540
If there's good feedback about a place then they care more about your game than actually you spending dollars in their store

704
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:58,600
And yeah, you know, that's the one thing I always tell people when they come into my shop is listen

705
00:36:58,620 --> 00:37:02,360
You know, I'm a club fitter and a PGA professional first not a salesman

706
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,500
Yeah, so, you know, I can't tell you the number of times as a small business owner

707
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:10,820
It's it's weird to say this but you know the number of times

708
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:14,820
I've had somebody come into the shop and tell them they don't need to change, you know

709
00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:20,260
What do you mean? I don't need to change this drivers three years old. Yeah, so what who cares? It's optimized for you

710
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:24,100
It doesn't you're not gonna hit anything. That's better. You want to buy something new cuz it's shiny and new

711
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:27,740
Yeah, go buy a new car. I don't know what to tell you, but don't change your golf clubs

712
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:28,160
Yeah

713
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,180
I read a post about that somebody came in for a club fitting and you told them that you don't need new clubs

714
00:37:33,180 --> 00:37:35,180
What you need to work on is your attack angle

715
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:35,860
Yeah

716
00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:41,740
And and I think that's very important for people when they come come to see is that it's just not a sales job

717
00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:48,000
It's to get you better. Yeah, I think one of the things that you know, and again Sean

718
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:50,660
Klotzie has been a huge kind of

719
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:56,920
Mentor and Tim poles a huge mentor and one of things that they've instilled on me is as a PGA professional

720
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,180
Right code of ethics and stuff like that. Your number one goal is to improve a player

721
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:05,980
You figure out how to improve them that you know, the easiest way and a lot of times

722
00:38:06,940 --> 00:38:10,620
You know you walk into a place and you're expecting to get fit and stuff like that

723
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:14,820
And if you get data on your stuff and it's pretty good and let's say you're hitting a driver

724
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:19,500
250 yards and some guy is able to say oh, well look you're hitting this

725
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:25,340
257 yards right and you know and now in the days we're in now

726
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:29,260
I don't know if seven yards is worth six hundred dollars basically across the board

727
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:36,020
So, you know be be open-minded to potentially also stick with what you have if it's performing

728
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:39,860
Well, you know and it's weird to maybe hear that from a small business owner

729
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:43,480
It's got a really fit stuff and sell stuff to stay open

730
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,980
But when you come into our shop, it's it's improvement first. We figure out how to improve you then

731
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:56,300
Yeah, I think that's the key point that you mentioned too. Like I I it's probably why I don't have a retail store anymore

732
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:58,060
Well, I did it for three years

733
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:03,580
But I probably talked my customers out of more sales because you are you do you do want to be honest with them?

734
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:09,060
That's our goal. You want to improve them and and a lot of times too. I was gonna get your opinion on this

735
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:15,820
They come in for a club fitting right now. You also specifically set up golf lessons, too. Is that correct? Yeah, correct

736
00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:19,180
So I teach at my facility

737
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:24,700
We have another satellite facility that we have another gentleman that just got into the PGA program who teaches as well

738
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:30,380
Yeah, the second fitter that I have at my shop Blake does not teach. He's specifically a fitter

739
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:34,500
So so yeah, so when they come in for the fitting session is my point. I

740
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:38,460
Specifically tell them we're gonna do a fitting

741
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:41,560
Yeah, okay at the end of the deal

742
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,380
I might give you the two to three things that I want it want you to work on with your golf swing

743
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:50,380
Now there's certainly times when it goes the other way when you're like, okay. Look, here's the deal

744
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:56,420
You don't need new equipment yet. Yeah, you will in the very yeah, you will in the very near future

745
00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:59,500
But you need to fix attack angle

746
00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:03,420
Swing speed a B and C whatever that is. Yeah your rotation

747
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:09,020
Whatever before you get to that point and then come back and see me in six months and they will because you've built that loyalty

748
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:13,060
Well, yeah, and you know one of the things that we always do

749
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:20,980
that I kind of have made it kind of company policy with us is if somebody were to come in for a fitting and a

750
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,500
driver fitting and we know

751
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:25,860
Excuse me. We know at their clubhead speed

752
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:30,660
We need to be you know, two degrees up on attack and they're hitting three and a half four down

753
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:38,340
You talking about me? I was gonna say six or seven. Sorry. So, you know and you know, we're looking at it and

754
00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:42,460
What they're playing with is pretty decent for how they're delivering the club

755
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,980
But you kind of can show them, you know

756
00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:50,540
There's enough information on the internet now where you can actually pull up a chart really quick and say hey look

757
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:54,260
At your clubhead speed in two degrees up with this launch in this spin

758
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:58,380
This is how far you should be hitting it and they go shit. I don't hit it anywhere near that. Yeah

759
00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:01,820
Yeah, so, you know having the information to be able to give to them

760
00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:05,780
So, you know what I would generally do in that situation is I would say hey listen

761
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:09,220
We're gonna charge you a fitting fee when you come back after you work on swing

762
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:13,940
I don't care if it's one time two times three times for now, whatever it is. We're gonna keep get capturing data

763
00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:16,980
There's no additional charge for the fitting service, right?

764
00:41:16,980 --> 00:41:25,060
So, you know, we're giving customers information and then we're allowing them to do with with what they want with that information

765
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:27,940
So, yeah knowledge is power. Yeah, exactly

766
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:33,340
You gotta have the yeah, you gotta have the data. So, yeah, this has been great VP and yeah team act

767
00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:39,100
It's been cool to yeah, I'm looking forward to coming in a few more times and you know diving into the past

768
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:44,780
And you know talking about swing lessons after Wednesday nightly right on the back of the porch good times

769
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:49,860
You know absolutely the the same number. I've had the same lesson with VP for the past

770
00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:55,500
Seven years or whatever. We had the same golf swing lesson every time and if I go see him again

771
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:59,100
It's gonna be the same thing. Well, at least he's consistent. I mean, I'm consistent

772
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:04,940
I'm consistent, but it does fit, you know, it does again. You have to go practice it

773
00:42:04,940 --> 00:42:10,580
Yeah, and it does kind of factor in and it definitely become a better driver of the ball based on his information

774
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:14,780
Just understanding. Yeah, he was talking about swing or attack angle and and

775
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:19,620
Low point again seven years ago before we even had yeah, you know

776
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:21,700
We were completely understood all the ball flight laws

777
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:24,340
While we're kind of just trying to figure out how to swing well

778
00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:29,380
You know, he'd be putting a head cover in front of my golf ball making a swing up on it and not you know

779
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:36,000
I still love the time when you put the loom the the lead tape on the his handle

780
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:45,220
Go there and shoot whatever was 68 or 71 or something. I'm killing it like VP. This is unbelievable. The irons are going straight

781
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:50,180
He goes, oh, that's good. We had a nice little snicker on now when I tell you you told me three weeks later

782
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:52,180
I'm like, oh well that makes sense

783
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:59,580
It was but that and actually at that time like Sergio they had made a big deal about how Sergio had basically counterbalance

784
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:04,980
Nicholas is you know one that's kind of always you can look back at articles and say

785
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:10,440
Look at it and he's always been somebody that's kind of messed around with counterbalance and you know stuff like that

786
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,120
So there's a lot of different things people don't know about you know

787
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,560
What certain guys can you know kind of manipulate to help with some golf swing stuff?

788
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,840
So yeah, it's it's it's very exciting times to be in the golf industry right now

789
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,360
I'll tell you a lot of technology in it. It's great. It's great. So once again, we'd like to thank you

790
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:30,700
I'm your co-host Tim McElveen here at

791
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:33,580
swing theory golf comm

792
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:37,200
And my fellow co-host Sean Klotz. Yep from one-stop golf club Sean

793
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,040
Please tell us where they can get a hold of you like how that was the best place to get it

794
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,260
Yeah, so, you know the shop is pure science golf. We're located in Clearwater, Florida

795
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:48,980
Kind of near the Feather Sound area and then we have another satellite location

796
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:55,060
At the Chi Chi drive-in range that's a little bit north of us

797
00:43:55,860 --> 00:44:00,900
Honestly, we've just actually started doing online booking. So literally you can go right to pure science golf comm

798
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:08,260
You can schedule anything right there online. You can give us a call shop number 727-317-3510

799
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:12,700
You know, somebody will always answer the phone, you know, if you need anything look us up

800
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,220
We'd be happy to have you come in kind of diagnose what you got going on and help you out. Great man

801
00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,140
See you on Instagram too, right? Yeah, we are on Instagram. Yep, pure science golf

802
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:27,300
We're trying to get a little bit more into that trying to do some of the you know, kind of nutty kind of social media stuff

803
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:30,740
I'm not a huge camera fan guy, but they make me do it apparently

804
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:36,260
You're doing good. We've seen it. We've seen it good good. Well, once again, thank you so much and have a great day

805
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:43,020
All right guys, we'll see you next time

806
00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:59,940
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807
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