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Welcome to Swing Theory Golf, the ultimate podcast for the golf enthusiast.

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I'm your host, Tim McElvanagh, PGA Professional, and I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host

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Sean Clautz, a seasoned PGA Professional as well as over 20 years' experience in the

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Let's dive in.

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Welcome back everybody.

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We're here at swingtheorygolf.com.

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I'm your host, Tim McElvanagh, and my co-host, Sean Clautz.

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Hey golfers, how you doing?

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Good.

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So today we're going to talk about the lob wedge, mastering the lob wedge, if you need

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the lob wedge, and who needs the lob wedge.

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So Sean, in your years of experience, do you think that most amateurs would need a lob

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wedge?

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Do you think most amateurs would need a lob wedge?

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No, not at all.

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Right?

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I don't want to be the bad guy out here.

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I'm going to relate a pretty quick, Tim Mc, to just kind of saying this.

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When I coached high school golf, and you helped me out as well, we were both kind of coaching

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the Zephyr Hills High School golf team.

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I think one of the first clubs that we ever pulled out of kids' bags was the lob wedge.

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Get that out of there.

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It's a specialty club.

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It's needed or necessary on tour because their conditions are way different than the

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golf that most of our golf listeners are playing.

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The surface that they're playing on is greatly different than what we're playing on, for

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sure.

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Yeah.

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So on the negative side of lob wedge, it's way more consistent for our listener to get

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the ball on the ground quickly and let it roll out.

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Especially if you're a beginner.

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Get that thing on the ground rolling as quick as possible.

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Get the flying putt.

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That's what I like to call it.

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You know, the flying putt.

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That would be more geared towards an eight iron or even a seven iron, that type of chip

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shot, which is a whole different segment, whole different podcast.

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In the relationship to a lob wedge, that's why we would like you to try to keep the ball

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low to the ground.

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Like you said, flying putt, let it run, read the break, whatever that is.

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So on the opposite side, if we were going to say, hey, okay, well, I feel like I'm kind

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of moving my game up or I'm ready for the next club that's going to change my handicap

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index.

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Correct.

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Because it certainly can.

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Oh, yeah.

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It was designed for a reason.

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It can be an unbelievable tool.

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You know, you just got to, if you take nothing else away from today's podcast, it would be

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swing your lob wedge the same speed that you swing your driver.

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So what I mean by that is I think the player who mishits the 60 degree, which is typically

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the lob wedge 60, maybe 58, but kind of 58, 60.

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Sometimes you might even see a 64 out there, but usually 58 to 60.

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The player who mishits that club is the one who decelerates.

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Correct.

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And stops moving.

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And the ball's not going to go anywhere.

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Like it doesn't, it's not going to travel a hundred yards.

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It's designed.

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To go up in the air.

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At 60 degree loft.

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To get up in the air.

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So if you do some of the basic chipping fundamentals, you know, which is for, for again, I would

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say definitely have to keep weight on your left side.

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Ball back in your stance a little bit.

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Ball back in your stance.

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Or at least back center.

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And, you know, swing your body, don't swing just your hands.

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That's another one, which again, for consistency sake, if I was trying to teach somebody, hey,

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I want to hit something higher up in the air.

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I'm going to tell them to essentially move their chest to the right, get their arms extended

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and the club is part of the extension of the arms.

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And then move back to the left.

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And I think follow throughs always need to be longer than backswings.

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Acceleration.

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You know, that's, that's what's going to give you that acceleration when you come through.

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You know, I always kind of tell some of my students, make it feel like it's more short

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to long.

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And I think that condensation of, you know, I'm going to accelerate through the ball.

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As you said, a lot of people decel.

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And then, and hit down into it.

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You know, that's kind of another misconception is if I got to get the ball up in the air,

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I've got to hit up on it or swing it up in the air.

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And you've got 64 degrees of loft, you don't need to help it up anymore.

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You know?

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So hitting down to the, you know, into the ball and that's why we put the ball position

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back to the, a little further back in our stance because that just helps promote that

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angle of attack.

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That downward strike that we're looking for.

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And then realistically let the club do the work.

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Don't, don't add wrist motion to it.

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I'm going to preface that.

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I'm going to say that, but then maybe two minutes I might come back to something where

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I talk about wrist motion.

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But for the, for the, again, for the, we'll call it novice.

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Somebody who's just trying to start to learn how to use, and everything we're talking about,

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by the way, should be applied to a 56 degree or a sand nudge too.

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Absolutely.

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It's not just a lob wedge conversation, but to hit down on the ball, to have your weight

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on your front side, your left side, to kind of lean towards your left side.

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And I think another thing I see, T Mac, when we see the player who's trying to get the

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ball up in the air, when they start their backswing, they move their weight shift to

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the right.

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And now you're out of position.

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You're just, you're too far to the right.

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You're too far back, which then when you start your downswing, it almost tends them to blade

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So that's why we kind of promote the idea of, hey, just start your weight on your left

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side, move your arms to the right.

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Don't move your weight to the right.

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Just move your arms to your torso again.

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Turn your torso to the right, which brings your arms going to the right.

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And basically return the golf club with something we kind of, again, didn't really mention to

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the players.

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Because when you're setting up to it, you should have the handle slightly forward.

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Of the club head.

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At impact.

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And that's the return position we're trying to get back to.

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Again, I think the error is when the person returns the club head to the ball first before

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their hands have gotten there.

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You know?

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So my stupid little analogy is the swimmer and the shark.

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All right?

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So the swimmer is the grip and the shark is the club head.

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Okay, so go with me on this one.

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I know it's a little goofy.

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But as you take the club back, you know, the shark, the club head is behind your hands,

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which is the swimmer.

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When you return back to the ball, make sure the grip, the swimmer, is always out racing

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the shark, which is the club, to the ball.

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Great analogy.

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It gives you a good visual right there.

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And as we talk about people sometimes decelerating through impact, what they're really doing

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is the club head's moving faster and the hands are stopped moving.

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Yeah, the club's going past the hands.

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The body's stopped moving.

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So, you know, three o'clock in the morning, when you guys wake up tonight, you'll be thinking

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about the swimmer and the shark.

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But sometimes, you know, some of these little analogies will kind of fit in.

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Absolutely.

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When you're out there on the golf course, you know, having those little thoughts definitely

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help you a lot.

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Now, the other thing is practice time.

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You know, I think people need to realize before they go out and get this 64, 60-degree wedge

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how much you really have to practice this, you know, and practice where this shot is

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landing, how much it's rolling out.

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Where to use it.

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Where to use it.

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When to use it, you know.

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I see a lot of people, especially the younger students, they get married to the thing.

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I mean, it could be, you know, three feet off the collar and they're flopping this thing

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where you could just hit a little eight iron, you know, even a putter, you know, at this

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point.

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So, I think, you know, using it at the right times is just as vital as how you practice

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as well.

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You know, making sure that you, you know, just don't fall in love with the club and,

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you know, utilizing different shots around the green are really going to help you quite

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a bit other than just getting married to that 60.

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We're based out of Florida, you know, just outside of Tampa.

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And I'll tell you, you know, as a listener, I pretty much don't hit the lob ledge for probably

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five months out of the year.

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And that's our winter time.

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That tends to come in.

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And we get that question a lot.

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How do you hit off of a tight line?

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Well, you don't take a highly lofted club.

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Hitting off of a tight fairway line.

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With 12 degrees of bounce or, you know, whatever it is.

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We're going to try to get something, again, rolling quickly.

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So we're going to take that nine iron and bump and run it.

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So, I mean, bunkers, it's very useful for bunkers.

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No question about it.

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Especially high lipped bunkers or something where you got to hit it shorter.

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I would say that that's one of those things that if I get a 10 to 15 yard bunker shot,

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I'm probably going to hit my lob wedge because I know what it's going to do.

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But if I've got that 25 yard bunker shot, I'm not going to try to hit lob wedge harder.

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I'm going to do what we tell our listeners on the other side in the fairways.

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Take the longer club.

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Take something like a 56.

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And make the same swing.

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And you're going to get a longer result.

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And you're going to try to hit something harder.

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If you try to go with the 60 and try to go harder, you're probably going to go underneath

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it, one of the two, or you're just going to sky it up even higher.

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Or shank it.

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A lot of times in the bunker.

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You get that too.

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You get that too.

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And again, it's a good analogy because when they do shank it, what they're doing is they're

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stopping their hands.

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Correct.

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With the club that is just kind of coming through and it's usually open.

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Obviously, it's usually a shank.

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It's typically a shot that's hit off the hosel.

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They haven't rotated the face.

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Yeah.

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All the things we talked about in normal golf swings.

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So where to use it, super important.

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Typically, either good fairway, we'll call it, higher rough.

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Yeah.

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It can be super... I mean, it's almost a club that you can't use any other club effectively

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unless you have a lob wedge from a high rough, thick rough, soft sand.

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So we don't want to come off saying that this is a club that's bad.

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This is a great club.

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This is a great club.

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You've got to practice with it and know, as you said, where to utilize that club at.

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Yeah.

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Again, for the listener, please go check out a Phil Nicholson YouTube, basically discusses

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chipping.

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There's a bunch of different chipping Phil Nicholson videos on YouTube.

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The one that I was specifically talking about is where he really talks about, he's like,

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hey, there's five fundamentals to chipping.

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And we've already covered a few of them as far as weight position forward, hands forward.

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Don't switch off to the right, don't move to the right side.

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But the one that I think is interesting, which even as an instructor for 15 years, I didn't

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really teach it this way.

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Then I started using it in my own game.

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Maybe the greatest wedge player in the world.

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He's onto something there, all right.

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Yeah.

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Might have figured something out.

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But essentially is if you want to hit the ball high, you move the ball position way

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forward, left of your front foot.

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And that's how you hit that ball high and soft.

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And if you want to hit the ball low, you move the ball position behind your right foot.

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And his theory in that is that you never play the ball position in the middle.

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Correct.

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But again, it's Phil Nicholson.

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Right.

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He's a different animal.

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But I've gone to that technique here lately.

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And I think having that ball up in your stance, making sure your weight is forward.

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You've got to make sure that you're hitting down on this ball.

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You're going to get a lot of spin, you're going to get a lot of stop.

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But as I said, it's one of those shots that I've had to practice quite a bit on.

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And I can't say it's 100%.

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I've got it in the bag.

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But I'd say 90% of the time I'm executing that shot.

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But when it doesn't work, bye bye baby.

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So as I said, practicing it is definitely vital to that club.

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And not just going up pounding driver.

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That's what everyone wants to practice.

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The last thing I'll say about the wedge, because this is a slightly shorter segment,

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essentially is pick out one that looks good to you.

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Pick out one that doesn't always need to be the 180 wedge prices have gone up considerably over the last five years.

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But somewhere, I'm going to say probably 100 to $175 is what you're going to plan on paying for one club.

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Which again, drivers are 600 now or 500.

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Hey, this is a club that could really lower my score.

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It could save you two or three shots easily in a round.

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So I don't care what the name of the brand is.

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We're not brand specific.

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I don't think we are.

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When we discuss our clubs here, we just want to kind of give an objective view on golf clubs.

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Absolutely.

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But I will say that Cleveland, Callaway, TaylorMade, Titleist, Mizuno, Ping,

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those are probably the five that most people know, Wilson actually has really good looking wedges.

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They've got really good wedges.

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Yeah, and sometimes a little lower price than some of the other guys we just mentioned.

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But I don't think it really matters.

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It's just there's some different condition or some different like some rusts, some don't.

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Some are black, some are satin, some are tour finish, some are raw.

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What I've read so far is essentially that I just read an article about the tour raw finish for the Cleveland.

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They may not want to hear this, but there is not more friction on a tour raw finish wedge than there is on a standard satin finish.

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They advocate that it is, but there really isn't a touch.

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Psychological.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So find something that looks good to you.

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I really keep coming back up because I want to feel, just like my putter,

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I want to feel when I look down at that club that I'm going to execute the shot.

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Confident, right?

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Yeah.

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I'm confident that I'm going to execute that shot, as you said, and pull it off.

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And then like with the Zipcore world, meaning Cleveland, there's going to be, they have a club called a full face.

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And what that means is it's more of a cavity back.

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And that might be a really good option for that kind of 8 to 25 handicapped golfer who still wants the benefit of the 60 degree,

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but they want the benefit of also being able to miss hit the club a little bit.

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A little bit more forgiving, right?

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And I think the lines go all the way across the face instead of having that little stop.

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So even if you kind of hit it off the toe a little bit, you're going to get a little spin.

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So that's that forgiveness that they're talking about there, for sure.

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Hopefully that gives you guys some good thoughts with the lob wedge.

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Don't be scared of it.

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Just put the time and effort and practice into it.

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Correct.

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And go lower your score because I know that it's really helped me become a better short game player,

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but you had to put the time and effort into it.

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Yes, a lot of work on it.

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So once again, I want to say thank you from Swing Theory Golf.

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I'm your host, Tim McElvanagh with Sean Klotz.

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From One Stop Golf Club.

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Come on down and see us.

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Thank you so much.

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Have a great day.

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Thank you for tuning in and teeing off with Swing Theory Golf.

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Keep swinging, keep improving, and stay tuned for more exciting episodes.

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This is Tim McElvanagh signing off.

