1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,120 Welcome to Swing Theory Golf, the ultimate podcast for the golf enthusiast. 2 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:17,860 I'm your host, Tim McElvanagh, PGA Professional, and I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host 3 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:23,280 Sean Clautz, a seasoned PGA Professional as well as over 20 years' experience in the 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,960 golf industry. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,480 Join us as we delve into the world of golf, covering everything from swing tips to top 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,760 notch golf destinations. 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,960 We will discuss the greatest golfers of all time and explore the latest golf trends in 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,720 the game of golf. 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:44,520 Get ready to tee off with Swing Theory Golf, your source for all things golf. 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,520 Let's dive in. 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Hey Sean, I heard you got a lesson yesterday from Tim Pulse, is that correct? 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,920 I did Tim, you know it's been playing golf for 25 years and you see these guys on tour, 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,480 they always have a coach, they're always working with their pro and sometimes you just can't 14 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,480 figure it out yourself. 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,360 I mean most of the time you can't figure it out yourself. 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,480 That's why we have jobs, essentially. 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,200 Absolutely, even the instructors need an instructor, correct? 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,360 So the good thing about taking a lesson, and it's funny because I went out and played last 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,520 night so I had the lesson two days ago, didn't practice. 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,520 Just straight out and tried it out huh? 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Yeah, and guess what happened Tim? 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,560 It didn't work. 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,560 It didn't work. 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,000 Well that sometimes happens when we get on out there, it doesn't work all the way that 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 we want. 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,280 Haven't tried it, haven't practiced it. 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,840 Yeah, and that's the big thing. 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,420 So when we do our instruction with golfers, we hope we kind of space them out maybe once 29 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:50,080 a week or once every two weeks in the hope and the desire that they're going to go practice. 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,080 So I can't have any expectations of me getting better until I put the work in either at my 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,840 studio on track man or on the golf course or at a range. 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:07,560 So my problem, and not to be so specific, essentially is just my club face tends to 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,320 either open or close at impact. 34 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,320 Mostly with longer irons. 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,800 It doesn't really affect the pitching wedge or nine ironing. 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,440 I'll hit those pretty straight. 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:23,440 But what Tim Poults kind of factored in on was my grip, the position of my hands on the 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,440 club. 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Your grip, okay, interesting. 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,400 And then also the pressure in my hands on the club. 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,400 The grip pressure. 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Yeah. 43 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Okay. 44 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Those are things that sometimes go unnoticed. 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Yeah I would never even thought about looking into that area. 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,880 So yeah, what did he talk about with that? 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,720 So typically for the golfers out there, the weak grip that we call it is typically in 48 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,280 the position of your hands is where your hands are more to the left placed on the club right 49 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,280 there. 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,960 The left hand is more left and then the right hand is more over the middle of the shaft. 51 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,440 And then the stronger grip we call it is the one where your hands are opposite there, more 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,440 to the right side. 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:05,440 Gotcha. 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Right the center line of the club. 55 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Pointing more towards your right shoulder. 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,440 Gotcha. 57 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Yep. 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:15,280 So basically what he was saying was that the position of my hands was too weak with that 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,280 left hand. 60 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,960 So there's two ways to fix the club face problem which again was the main thing we're trying 61 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,960 to fix. 62 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,640 If, he said you can do it one of two ways. 63 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:26,280 You can either strengthen your grip pressure. 64 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,920 So one through ten, ten being the most death grip that you could ever put on a club. 65 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,480 One you're just kind of literally holding the club. 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,040 But you want to probably be somewhere around a six or a seven which is pretty strong. 67 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,600 Wow, I mean I've always been taught that you want to have like a somewhere between a two 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,280 and a three to make sure that you've got a, you know, making sure that you feel like you're 69 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,000 holding a live bird in your hands. 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,680 I wouldn't think a six or a seven would be holding a live bird in my hands. 71 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,880 I think we'd be killing it right? 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,760 But the point of it is it's kind of like if you look at it the pitching wedge nine hour 73 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,120 and eight hour were pretty straight. 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,920 They're coming up flight is straight, ball flight's good, no fade. 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,720 But that swing speed is probably around seventy five to maybe eighty miles an hour. 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,840 Right, when me and you start swinging a five or six iron now our swing speed's eighty six, 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,120 eighty seven, eighty eight. 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,120 Generous, but yeah. 79 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,120 Yeah. 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,640 But we're swinging something faster. 81 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,640 Yeah. 82 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,000 So it's going to rotate more. 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Correct. 84 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,800 You know, especially if you don't have a good handle on it. 85 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Makes sense. 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,400 You know, so that was kind of like a light bulb moment to me after playing golf for thirty 87 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,400 years. 88 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,960 Yeah, I mean looking at something that you probably as you said goes completely unnoticed 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,680 especially with the amateur golfer for sure is to look at something like that. 90 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:37,680 So that's interesting. 91 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Yeah, and even like we were talking about a little bit yesterday like you know the, when 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,920 I walked into that lesson I thought we were going to work on A, B and C. 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:47,920 Yeah. 94 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:48,920 And we didn't. 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,920 We didn't come close. 96 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,760 We worked on a totally different thing which is a lot of times when our students come to 97 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,520 us they think they've already got it figured out. 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,720 Well they've already, you know, to you they've diagnosed the problem. 99 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,280 You know, it's either the swing path or something like that and then when you get onto something 100 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:06,000 like the grip it takes them down a whole different alley in there and it's amazing that you know 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,680 you know some of those great minds think that way. 102 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,160 You know like Tim Pulse to think of that. 103 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,160 You know that's amazing. 104 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,160 Yeah, so that was one way. 105 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,840 Either grip pressure and a moment I set up after about ten swings I'm like hey I've got 106 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:16,840 arthritis in my hands. 107 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,800 It's kind of hurting to actually tighten my grip. 108 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,240 Oh that's a good point too, yeah. 109 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,400 It's kind of hard and I already have mid-sized grips on there. 110 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,120 He said well then you've got to change the position of your left hand because your left 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,120 hand is too weak. 112 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,600 It's too far to the left. 113 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,600 Okay. 114 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,520 If you position, if you move the space between your thumb and your forefinger it essentially 115 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:39,440 tighten that space on your left hand and position the club more in the fingers instead of having 116 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,240 it start in the palm then you're going to have your left hand slightly more on top of 117 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,200 the club which then makes the club face go more left. 118 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,440 You know we know that the more we strengthen our grip the more left the club face goes. 119 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,440 Correct. 120 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Me and you know that because we do it every day. 121 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Our average listener may not. 122 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,320 They may be looking for other things and it's such an important feature. 123 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,200 And the last part that I thought again was pretty eye opening for me that I didn't think 124 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,200 about in 30 years. 125 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,720 He said hey your left hand is the hand that's completely on the club. 126 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,240 You know the right hand is partially on the club because it's either interlocked or overlapped 127 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,960 but it's not fully on the club so the position of the left hand is ultimately more important 128 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,040 to what the club face is going to do. 129 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Okay so it kind of goes back to the old idea that the left hand is more for the power and 130 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,080 strength and the right hand is just kind of your guide as you kind of come through. 131 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,080 Great point there. 132 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,120 So again he did what we talk about already in these podcasts. 133 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,120 First thing we did was half swings. 134 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,160 Second thing we did was half swings with one hand. 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,560 Trying to feel the difference with the one hand left hand versus the one hand right handed. 136 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:51,200 And you can see another good kind of part of the teaching part is we do this a little 137 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,200 bit. 138 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,360 I don't do it as much maybe you do but basically he had me make a couple of full swings. 139 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,360 Right. 140 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:02,000 Hold my finish and then from the finish position rotate back to where impact was. 141 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,920 And you can see the club face is open. 142 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,920 Gotcha. 143 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,520 That's a great little drill right there. 144 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Yeah. 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,920 You don't necessarily see it when you're completely having your follow through done. 146 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:13,920 No. 147 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,040 When you rotate back and then you see that your hand is moving on the club and the face 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,800 is more open. 149 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Then the evidence is right there for you. 150 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,360 You can see it. 151 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,360 Yep. 152 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Absolutely. 153 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,560 So just from that perspective it was really good to kind of get just a start. 154 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Again just a start of what your hands should be on the club because if you don't have the 155 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,040 basics done. 156 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,280 And that's really the first step that you want to kind of go is the grip. 157 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,000 I mean it's the only thing that connects us to the ball through the club. 158 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:50,520 So I think that's a great point that he started at the origins of it with the grip. 159 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,800 I think maybe for our general golfer out there which club do they struggle with? 160 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,720 Sorry I gave you the answer. 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,400 Which club do they slice the most? 162 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Driver. 163 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,400 Longest club. 164 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Straightest face. 165 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Yep. 166 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Least amount of loft. 167 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,400 Correct. 168 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,400 So the most amount of spin. 169 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Yeah. 170 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Right. 171 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,800 And then also they're swinging at the fastest. 172 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:09,800 Correct. 173 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,000 So you need to have more of a tighter grip or a stronger grip on that as you rotate through. 174 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,320 So when they and again when we play with golfers who are fading it or slicing it on the golf 175 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,600 course what do they do? 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,520 They aim more left. 177 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Aim more left and they swing more left which opens up the path in the face and more right 178 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,520 it goes. 179 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:30,520 Correct. 180 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Unfortunately. 181 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,720 So that's a hard you know when we teach how to fix a slice on the range first of all they 182 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,200 always want to start with driver. 183 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Yeah. 184 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,960 I promise you they're doing it with their 7R in 2. 185 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,320 So basically the idea would be we usually teach them the opposite. 186 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,400 We teach them to get basically closed with their set up. 187 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Gotcha. 188 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,600 You know that left foot staying in front of the right foot. 189 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,920 And then I also think that golfers might get their stance correct but then they forget 190 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,720 what their hips and their shoulders are doing. 191 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Yes. 192 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,720 Yes. 193 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:00,720 And they've all got to match up. 194 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:01,720 Yeah. 195 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,320 I see them out there with the alignment rod and they get their feet correct but they forget 196 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,120 about the upper two thirds the hips and the shoulders. 197 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,720 So getting making sure that those body lines are straight on or parallel to each other 198 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:13,720 is paramount. 199 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,720 Pretty important. 200 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,200 Or at least a little closed I think. 201 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,560 You know so you can get to the inside part of the path. 202 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:19,560 Learn it right. 203 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:23,600 Have the problem be hey Sean, hey Tim, I'm hooking it now. 204 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:24,600 How do I fix that? 205 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,520 Well it came to me you were slicing it. 206 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Yeah. 207 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,120 So now we've gone the other way so now we've got to bring it back with some of these things. 208 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,120 Correct. 209 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,280 Your body's got to get that muscle memory type of thing which is it's not cheating. 210 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,360 It's just you're training your body to swing more from the inside. 211 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,360 Absolutely. 212 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,360 To the outside. 213 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,360 Yes. 214 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,200 Instead of currently a person who slices it swings over the top which is a term you hear 215 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,880 a lot. 216 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Side in, over the top, all those kind of bad terms. 217 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,560 So I think just getting, this is another one that I love. 218 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,880 I know sometimes we sound like we're, I don't know, sometimes we sound like we're making 219 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:01,880 fun of our audience. 220 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Yeah. 221 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,520 It's because we see a lot of things on the range or on the golf course. 222 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,520 So you'll see the player who gets their feet lined up correctly and then they take their 223 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,400 club and put it parallel against their, like they stand up. 224 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Oh yeah. 225 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,400 I love that. 226 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,400 I love that one. 227 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Yeah. 228 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,400 They're lined up down the fairway. 229 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,400 They're not going to do it. 230 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,400 They put their club on their shoulders and then they're way left. 231 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Yeah. 232 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,400 But then they bend down a little bit. 233 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Get into position and then they're in a different, you know, shoulders are in a totally different 234 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,040 alignment then. 235 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,040 Correct. 236 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Correct. 237 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,040 Yeah. 238 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,040 So yeah, just be aware of it. 239 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,080 Video taping or videoing your swing, videotaping, sorry. 240 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,080 Videoing your swing. 241 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,080 Yes. 242 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Just a really good way and there's even a bunch of YouTube videos on how to video your swing 243 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,400 because you want to do it from a certain level. 244 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,400 Yeah. 245 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,320 I know the AMG, Athletic Motion Golf guys have a nice kind of YouTube tutorial on how 246 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,880 to video your swing because you've got to do it from a proper level. 247 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,360 You don't want to just be and you've got to be on the correct down the line. 248 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Michael Breed's got a great book out there too. 249 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,360 Yeah. 250 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:01,560 He did a great in-depth study about it and where you want to place the camera, you know, 251 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:06,320 for certain positions because if you get the camera out of position by a couple degrees, 252 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,920 it will make it look like it's over the top or and then you're really starting to dig 253 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:10,920 into problems. 254 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,320 So check those things out on YouTube and Michael Breed, that'd be good. 255 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,320 Yeah. 256 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,000 I think the first thing is definitely getting the path of your body working more. 257 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,640 Again, if we're trying to get rid of a fade or a slice, we've got to get the paths to 258 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,920 come more from the inside to the outside. 259 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Correct. 260 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,840 And the last part of path, we could talk about path for hours, but I think that golfers give 261 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,920 up at the ball, you know, at impact. 262 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,920 Yeah. 263 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,560 They forget that path is also how you exit the club. 264 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,560 So a lot of times we might see them coming from inside out on the downswing, but then 265 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:49,320 they get to the ball and then their left elbow starts collapsing and the club head starts 266 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,840 going way left and they pull the club essentially in towards their body. 267 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:53,840 Yeah. 268 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,280 And that's equally as bad. 269 00:11:55,280 --> 00:12:01,200 Well, it reminds me of one of our patrons that we used to work with, Sean Van Patten, 270 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,280 it used to say it's a golf swing, not a golf hit. 271 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,280 And you really do see that they really just try to hit at the ball and then they forget 272 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,900 about post-impact and getting through. 273 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:15,000 So it's just kind of a choppy motion, you know, like chopping wood or something. 274 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:20,600 My analogy there is I think if you look at a professional bowler and watch how they make 275 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,560 their follow through, right? 276 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,200 They're not throwing the ball or pitcher is another good one. 277 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Yeah. 278 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,080 They're falling off the mound to the opposite side of where they're throwing from. 279 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,280 And they're trying to get into balance. 280 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,280 Correct. 281 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:39,200 But the bowler, there's some unbelievable PBA bowlers, professional bowlers up in Claremont 282 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,200 outside of Orlando. 283 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Oh, okay. 284 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,720 I had the opportunity to kind of watch probably 10 of them. 285 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,880 There was a program where we had bowlers and golfers. 286 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Oh, really? 287 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,880 That's interesting. 288 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Yeah, it's really cool. 289 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,760 I bet that was a very interesting conversation with professional bowlers for sure. 290 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,760 Absolutely. 291 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,280 So Jason Couch was on my team and he's a, I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer, but I 292 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:04,560 think he is, but Norm Duke, Randy Peterson, all these guys who are just high level bowlers. 293 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,800 Not early Anthony's like an older school guy from the 70s and 80s. 294 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Okay. 295 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,600 And then more like the, we'll call it 90s, 2000s kind of current. 296 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,660 So we're bowling and it's like I said, it's like a five player kind of team. 297 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:21,840 So we bowled at night and then we played golf the next day. 298 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,660 So it was really interesting to see Jason. 299 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:28,520 He had probably six strikes in a row. 300 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,280 And then you see him walk up, do his normal routine, which we're going to get to, I think 301 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,600 either today or in a future one, but walk up, do his normal routine. 302 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,840 And as soon as he released that ball, he knew that it wasn't a strike. 303 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,400 I mean the instant that he released it. 304 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,460 Just an athlete, just he's done it so many years. 305 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:46,560 He knows instantly. 306 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,560 It's amazing. 307 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:52,440 So the next day I said to him, I said, Hey, how did you know you missed that seventh ball? 308 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,440 He goes, how did you know? 309 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,960 I said, cause I play golf and I know what looks good and what feels good. 310 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,920 And as soon as I hit it, I know where it's going to. 311 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,720 He goes, yeah, it's the same thing. 312 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:06,080 He goes, as soon as I released it, I knew I was two centimeters to the left and I could 313 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 tell it wasn't going to go in the center, center pin. 314 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,440 And I could tell it was going to miss and I was going to have two pins left. 315 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,440 Wow. 316 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,000 Amazing athletic feel right there. 317 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,240 That's amazing. 318 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:22,920 So finishing or getting to a good finish and you know, we call it, we call it posting sometimes, 319 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,560 but getting to that good finish, going back to the lesson with Tim, going, getting, getting 320 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,000 to a good finish, but also having the club face in a good position at that spot. 321 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,440 It's not just that impact. 322 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,000 It's got to stay, you know, all the way through rotating all the way through as you come through. 323 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Yeah. 324 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 She just can't quit at it. 325 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 That's it. 326 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,000 So that's, that's the first part is the club path. 327 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Okay. 328 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,480 And then the second part would be how do we keep the club face again, if we're not trying 329 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,640 to fade it, you got to get the club face to go left or closed or whatever the term you 330 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,600 want to use to your path, to your path. 331 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,600 That's exactly right. 332 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:02,040 So I think it's always good to kind of, again, start off short half swings, feel the club 333 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,120 face, get to a good position, you know, through impact. 334 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Yeah. 335 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,520 I like the, the analogy or the thing that you use with your students is you make sure 336 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,960 that they, they hold the follow through at a, you know, a three quarter finish right 337 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,480 there and making sure that their arms are extended. 338 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,860 I think that gives people a really good feeling of extension all the way through. 339 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:30,060 But also, you know, they, they don't worry so much about their backswing as much as they're 340 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:32,360 worried about the follow through. 341 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,240 And you start to see that that swing shorten up and they start to get that thing on plane 342 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,760 a lot easier when they're focusing on something more in front of the ball and keeping that 343 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,280 structure out in front of them compared to, you know, when they just kind of collapse 344 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,280 at impact. 345 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,280 Right. 346 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,160 And that's the, that's the chicken wing that we see on that left arm. 347 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Yeah. 348 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,720 And I think that's, I think that's really, again, relative to other sports, you know, 349 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,240 as we're talking about being dynamic golf and not being so static with what, with our 350 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640 movements and our golf swing. 351 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:09,240 If you just had a five year old and told him to throw you a ball underhanded, right, they're 352 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,480 not going to stop at impact or when they release the ball, they're not going to stop. 353 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,120 No, they're going to step through. 354 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Yeah. 355 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,120 They're going to walk towards you. 356 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,600 They're probably going to, if you think about it, you're probably going to have your left 357 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,880 foot and your right foot in different positions at the beginning. 358 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,680 You wouldn't have both feet, you know, with each other. 359 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Cross call, cross crawl pattern. 360 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Yeah. 361 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:30,680 Yeah. 362 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,160 You know, basketball is again a good one because again, you don't see the free throw shooter, 363 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,720 think about again, the three point shooter, like it's almost like they're, they're on 364 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,720 the court and they're, they're not showboating. 365 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:44,720 No. 366 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,640 But they hold that finish of that, that hand. 367 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Correct. 368 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:49,640 When they, after they released. 369 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,920 I relate that to the old tiger spin when they, they spend the time, you know, they spend 370 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:54,920 the club. 371 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,520 That's kind of that feeling, you know, you did that athletic movement perfectly. 372 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Right. 373 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,880 And, and you just want to kind of hold that moment. 374 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,120 And I think that's just positive reinforcement. 375 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,160 You know, that's a good, good, good, good way to say it. 376 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,640 So, so yeah, so get the club face left of your path. 377 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:16,480 So I guess in how we're going to help people with this slice thing, you have multiple ways 378 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,480 you can do this at home. 379 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:23,760 You could take a cardboard box, some type of, ideally, you know, 48 inches long or whatever, 380 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,880 just a standard shipping box that you'd ship for your golf club or whatever. 381 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,000 And put it next to the ball, like down range, like just to the right of the, right of the 382 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,800 golf ball and then move it at an angle. 383 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,120 So it's slightly coming from the inside of the outside. 384 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:38,120 Okay. 385 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,600 So it's pointing a little bit out towards the second basement. 386 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,600 Yeah. 387 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Okay. 388 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,600 Yeah. 389 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:43,600 Where you can't hit the box, you know, gotcha. 390 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,600 And then basically again, same thing, just elevate it as you go faster. 391 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,080 It's going to be a little harder because you got to turn your shoulders more and that's 392 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,400 going to make you sometimes hit the box. 393 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,400 Correct. 394 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,000 But learn it from that position. 395 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Again, same thing, driver is a really good one to do with smaller swings. 396 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Yes. 397 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,000 These half back swings. 398 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Yes. 399 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,800 But to your point, to the good follow through, you know, whether, whether your backswing is 400 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,800 halfway back, your follow through is going to be three quarters of the way through. 401 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Yeah. 402 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,920 You know, if your backswing is three quarters of the way back, then your follow through 403 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,920 is going to be a full, it's always longer. 404 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:15,920 Yes. 405 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:16,920 Short to long. 406 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:17,920 Yeah. 407 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,920 That's what I always say. 408 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:19,920 Short to long. 409 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:20,920 Yeah, exactly. 410 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,080 So hopefully I think that is, you know, a pretty good start to help. 411 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,080 I think so. 412 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,360 I think that's a good, good spot to be at right there, path, face, you know, always 413 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:31,360 work on your grip. 414 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,880 I think that's very important, making sure that you feel that in the fingers. 415 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,600 I find a lot of my students find it in the palm and that, you know, you're not able to 416 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,720 rotate your wrists and grasp that club as, as hard as you can. 417 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,280 So, you know, if you're having those issues with the slice, you know, start off with the 418 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,000 grip, then start taking a look at your face and your path and work on those things. 419 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Yeah, absolutely. 420 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,920 So practice hard, you know, go and just one last little thing is I think on the range 421 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:02,040 we get caught up in hitting the ball off the ground. 422 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Yeah. 423 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,800 You know, I think there's a really good value to hitting the ball off of a tee. 424 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Yes. 425 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,920 Seminar and little small swings again, just, just, you know, if it's on the tee, you kind 426 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,720 of eliminate the worry to get the ball up in the air. 427 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,480 And I think it also helps promote a little bit more of a shallowing motion. 428 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,480 If you have it teed up a little bit too, you know, it kind of helps get your right shoulder 429 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,280 down a little bit as you come through impact. 430 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Yeah. 431 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,280 That's a good, good point. 432 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,320 So if you're going to look at some videos online, I would probably recommend, uh, John 433 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Rom. 434 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,960 It does a really good job of shallowing it. 435 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:32,960 Yeah. 436 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,960 Ricky Fowler is kind of known for it. 437 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,880 Matt Kuchar looks, you know, some of the guys that look like they're shallowing it. 438 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:38,880 Yeah. 439 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,880 Everybody's pretty much doing it. 440 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,120 There's not too many guys who are, there's people that swing slightly outside in over 441 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,120 the top. 442 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,120 A little bit. 443 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:47,120 There's some of them. 444 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,120 Very, very little. 445 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,120 Yeah. 446 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,120 Yeah. 447 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:51,120 But, uh, the guys that you probably want to have in your, in your imagination is the guys 448 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:52,120 who look like they're doing it more. 449 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:54,120 Again, I don't think I mentioned this one. 450 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:56,120 Justin Rose has a great downswing drill. 451 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:57,120 Yes. 452 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:58,120 Yes. 453 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:03,440 And his is a really good drill because it's feel versus real is what he says, right? 454 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Um, the feel of where that club, the handle and the club head are coming from behind your 455 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,320 body literally. 456 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,320 Yeah. 457 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:16,920 Club head is literally behind your, your back into, into impact is way further inside than 458 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,920 you ever kind of. 459 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,920 Oh yeah. 460 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,920 You feel like you're dumping the club back behind you, right? 461 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,920 Yep. 462 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,920 And you're not really going to do that in the full swing because you're going to turn 463 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,920 and rotate and all those things. 464 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,920 Yeah. 465 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,920 But you've got to get your body to feel the opposite of what you're currently doing. 466 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,920 Correct. 467 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,920 So you can get it back to where you're trying to go. 468 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:33,920 Absolutely. 469 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:34,920 Start getting those feels. 470 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,720 So, um, once again, thank you so much. 471 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,280 Um, and, uh, we look forward to the next session. 472 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Thank you, Sean. 473 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,280 See you guys next time. 474 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,280 Bye. 475 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:49,640 Thank you for tuning in and teeing off with Swing Theory Golf. 476 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Keep swinging, keep improving and stay tuned for more exciting episodes. 477 00:20:54,080 --> 00:21:10,760 This is Tim Akeleban, signing off.