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So today we're just going to kind of rift, okay? 16 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,600 We're just going to kind of let it go, kind of whatever kind of comes to the mind, 17 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,080 and kind of go with that. We were kind of talking a little bit here on the back porch, 18 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:57,120 a little bit about some of the people that have inspired us or taught us that, you know, 19 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,520 didn't make it to the tour, didn't make it all the way, and some very talented people. 20 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,880 I think you've got a very interesting story about your golf coach. 21 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,640 Yeah, so. University of Tampa. 22 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,400 His name is Jeff Leonard, and I was at UT for four years, and I had three different golf coaches in 23 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,440 four years. Okay. 24 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,320 So that's probably a podcast right there in itself, in the fact that, you know, you got to get some 25 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:24,080 of these younger kids coming up through college or high school, juniors, like you got to find a 26 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,280 coach, and then you got to kind of stick with the coach probably, but if it's not working, it's okay 27 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:35,760 to move and find a different one. When you get to a school, like a college atmosphere, you don't 28 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:43,520 have a choice unless you're NIL now or transfer portal, which I'm not sure. I'm sure that's 29 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,560 affecting the NCAA for golf just as much as it's affecting NFL and stuff like that. 30 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Absolutely. I'm sure those kids want to get paid too. 31 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Yeah. So the point of the story would be that, so Jeff Leonard was my coach my freshman year, 32 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,480 and I knew his resume, right? So my brother was five years older than me. He went to 33 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,800 University of Tampa. That's how a kid from North of Boston ends up in Tampa, as we found out. 34 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,800 And UT was a great Division II golf school back in 86 and 87, 88. 35 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,800 Had a pretty good football program too as well. 36 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Prior to that, yep, yep, yep. Now you're really dating me. I wasn't there during that time. 37 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:28,640 That was like the Ed Nizmintowski and I think it's his name, Solomon. Freddie Solomon might 38 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:33,360 have played there. I can't remember. I'm pretty sure. But yeah, that's back in the 70s. 39 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:41,440 So UT, a little small Division II school with all these powerhouses, University of Florida, 40 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,600 USF was good back at that time. They still are. FSU, Miami. If you're from Massachusetts, 41 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,960 you're not going to go to Salem State, which is a little small community college in Massachusetts 42 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,840 to play golf. There's good golf up in Massachusetts, but then when you come down here, you realize 43 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,600 they're all good. Well, they've got the whole season to work on it where you guys only get what, 44 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,800 six months out of the year and then it's snowball. Yep, if you're lucky. So that's what I realized 45 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,760 was coming from up there, Big Fish, Little Pond, we'll call it, and then you come down here and 46 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,960 you realize, oh my gosh, they're all good. Another good freshman year story, trying out for the team. 47 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:30,800 I shot 76 one day and I shot 74 one day and I got beat by 10 shots on both occasions to two different 48 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:37,280 players. It shows the competitiveness and how good the golfers are in the world. How high the talent 49 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:41,840 is. That was then. And you didn't have all the new technology like they have now. I mean, 50 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:48,080 these kids are just accelerating at an unbelievable rate. Yep. And, you know, like back then, but I 51 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:54,960 mean, you know, you'd hit it 280, 300. That was a long drive, right? You know, now it's 340, 360. 52 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,720 That's what the technologies didn't really change. So Jeff was my coach my freshman year. And I knew, 53 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,960 like I said, I knew his resume. He went to, and we're going to get him on our podcast here. 54 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,920 Okay, great. I think that'd be great to have him tell his story. He's one of the most humble 55 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,520 people that you're ever going to meet. And that's the thing that I, one of the things I really enjoy 56 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,560 about Jeff, like you would never know. He's literally white men can't jump Woody Harrelson, 57 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:27,440 you know, like the guy that you just wouldn't think is so unassuming. Yeah, absolutely. So he 58 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:33,120 he went to university tip on a baseball scholarship from Indiana is where he grew up. And again, 59 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,080 kind of big fish little pond up there, like he was a really good baseball player. UT has, 60 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:45,600 you know, last 30 years has had a great baseball program. Back in 85. It wasn't that yet. You know, 61 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:53,360 what, what coach Prado and some of the, some of the, there's been a lot of good players coming 62 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:03,040 through university Tampa, Sam Militello played for the Yankees. Tino Gonzalez was a, was a player 63 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:07,680 in the Tampa area, but he didn't go to university Tampa. So there's a lot of good baseball. Anyways, 64 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:13,440 you have Freddie McGriff to Freddie McGriff. Yeah. A lot of good talent, Gary, Gary, 65 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:21,920 coke. No, not Gary. Coke. That's a good one. I'll come back to that one and think of it. But so 66 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Jeff, like I said, went to university, Tampa baseball scholarship. 67 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,280 He broke a, I think shoulder or something happened to him that freshman year. So he 68 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:43,120 decides to pick golf back up. Okay. Cause he played in high school, but it was baseball and golf kind 69 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,040 of two different seasons. So how many years is he kind of the clubs away about two, three years? 70 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,280 Yeah. Yeah. Cause he had focused on baseball, right? So he picks golf up. And then the short 71 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:57,040 story is that by his junior year, he wins the individual national championship for division two 72 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:03,360 golf and university Tampa also as a team wins division two national championship for golf. 73 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,880 They found this little collection of players. There was about six of them from all over the 74 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,680 country. One of my good friends is from Massachusetts, PBD Massachusetts, which is 75 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,840 where I'm from my brother's age. His name was Scott Johnson. He was the number three player. 76 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Okay. Mike Lawler was a really good player. Still got, he plays at Buckhorn. Okay. Still 77 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:28,560 around the area. Still around. Glenn Zito was the general manager at Avila for many years. I've 78 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:33,920 heard of that name. Yeah. So there's like this just little collection of golfers who all kind of came 79 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,680 together at university Tampa at the same time. And they ended up winning the national championship in 80 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:49,680 86 and 87, I believe. Chuck Winship was the coach actually. And so Jeff, again, just kind of like, 81 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,080 we were just talking, you know, one of his claims to fame. And again, he wouldn't even tell the 82 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,840 story. He's playing in like a Hooters tour of it or some type of qualifier at world woods. Okay. 83 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:07,360 World woods is a different even entity. They got it. Yeah. They're going to reopen. And I heard 84 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:14,400 last week that it's going to be $500 a round at Cabot farms. Wow. Yep. They got 36 holes out there. 85 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:20,480 Very proud of that course. Yeah. They've got like a 12 hole kind of like a fun, almost like the pine 86 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,280 hearst has this type of golf course. It's like a short course where you can play it quickly. 87 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:33,280 I've heard Gil Hansen has been doing some of those in the northeast area. So that's interesting. 88 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,360 They're bringing that down here now. Yep. So they sold these like stay and plays, 89 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,000 almost like condos out there at Cabot farms. Oh, they built some condos. They did. Yep. Yep. So 90 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,280 they redesigned the golf courses. I know we're off topic, but that's why we did this. That's fine. 91 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,000 We're rifting. That's what we talked about. We said we were just going to kind of go off topic. 92 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:56,400 So, but the cool thing about that 12 hole course, which I always have enjoyed this idea of doing, 93 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:01,440 they've got speakers all around the, all around the 12 holes. That's cool. It's just, it's just 94 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:08,240 top golf on steroids in a real golf world. I think top golf, that concept has really opened the eyes 95 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:17,840 to some of these old conservative golf, you know, ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny that you 96 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,000 talk about the top golf. I went and I'd say probably about a decade ago, I went to the first 97 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,680 one that's up in Virginia. Okay. And what a mind blowing experience for, for somebody you're up 98 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,520 there and you're like, wait a minute, you have speakers and you have these balls with microchips 99 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:37,840 in them and you have lighted fields. You know, it was so, so unique that I had to go check it out 100 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:44,160 with my buddy Pat. And I'll tell you what, ever since then, I think it's, it's mushroomed up. It's 101 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:50,000 just absolutely blown up the concept, the idea, the idea of having fun on the golf course, not 102 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,240 being so rigid and so down to one thing. It's now a lot more open, a lot more younger people getting 103 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,520 out there. And I, I, you know, admit that to one social media and two, you know, things like top 104 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,320 golf and stuff like that, getting the younger, younger generation out there. Absolutely. So 105 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,280 think about your high school days, college days, like we were never allowed to have a speaker 106 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,320 on the golf cart with us, right? Or, or, or for carrying our bag, we weren't allowed to have, 107 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,600 like I listened to a lot of music and during my practice time, high school, college, but it will 108 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:27,200 always be headphones. Yeah. Earbuds. Quiet. Yeah. Off the side, you know, but never now me and you 109 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,280 play in our Wednesday night league out here at Silverado on, on Wednesday night, we've got 40 110 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,440 guys. Every single one of them has got a speaker. Oh, it's a different channel. I mean, you can be 111 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,880 listening to Jimmy, but you can be listening to house music on the other. It's amazing. I welcome 112 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:46,080 it. You know, I just love the idea that everybody's out there having fun. I think some people take it 113 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,160 way too serious and think that everything's got to be the U S open. And remember it's going to be 114 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,520 four hours of your time out there. So enjoy it and enjoy it with some music and some friends and a 115 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,080 good time. And I think, you know, even kind of why we decided to do this, this idea was, uh, 116 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:06,960 exposing different people to the game of golf, you know, different skill levels. Um, yeah, let's not 117 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:12,240 make it so funny, Debbie. Let's not make it where, let's face it. It was a white man's sport until 118 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:19,600 1993, four, when tiger came out. Yeah. Somebody cracked that open real big. Tiger was, yeah. 119 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:26,240 I mean, it, it, it has changed dramatically in 30 years. Um, and, you know, I mean, there's some of 120 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:33,920 his predecessors, uh, Charlie Elder and, uh, Jim Dent back in Rogers park days. I mean, there's been 121 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:40,640 some guys who've tried to set, you know, um, Corey payment, um, Charlie Siffer, Charlie Siffer. Yeah. 122 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Big one right there. Calvin Pete. That's Calvin. Yeah. But I mean, that's like four guys. We just 123 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,320 talked about it. We might be omitting some people in that, a lot of them, but in like 40 years, 124 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:58,480 now you come to tiger in 1993. Now you see some more players, whether it's of African American 125 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:04,960 descent is just ethnic, different all over the world. Absolutely. There's Asians getting involved. 126 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,080 There's, you know, they're dominating, you know, Latinos getting involved. Uh, you know, it's just 127 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,120 great to see that you're starting to see so much diversity and array of color out there on the tour 128 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:21,520 now where a lot of, you know, kids, a lot of kids, um, you know, lower economic standing are able to 129 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:26,080 get that chance now and get out and play golf. And you're really starting to see a lot of, a lot of 130 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,400 good talent that I don't think you got to see, you know, back in the seventies and eighties. Now 131 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,440 you're starting to see a lot of good talent, a lot of talent that went to baseball or football or, 132 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,200 or another sport. Now it's being driven a little bit more towards golf. And I'm telling you, 133 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,760 I think it's a really exciting time for the game of golf right now. It's growing very well. 134 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:50,080 It's opened up so many different, I mean, the, the country clubs there, there are still Jewish 135 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,680 only country clubs. There are still men only country clubs. It's, we can't change the world, 136 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:00,400 but it's just, it's good to see that there's this, you know, diversity now coming to the game of 137 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,880 golf. And that's, I mean, you're starting to see the walls come down a little bit. You know, I 138 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,600 think there's, I think there's a few still over in England that are all men that don't want to get 139 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,720 on there, but if they don't want to get on the road, you know, for the U S open, they've got to 140 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,200 open it up. So I love how, you know, these corporations and things are holding accountable 141 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:23,280 and getting them to be more diverse and open up the door. I just talked to one of our local 142 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:28,480 business guys, Mike Prenderville, you know, in Zephyrhills Dade city. He played a golf course 143 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:36,240 in Virginia two weeks ago, men only 300 to 300 members period men only. So it's not just, you 144 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,640 know, there's still still some of that stuff right over here in the new country as well. 145 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,080 Yep. So, um, going back to my Jeff Leonard story. So, so he's over at world woods again, 146 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,280 I can't remember the type of event when I get him on, when we get him on, we'll talk to him. 147 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,960 Cause again, he won't even tell the story cause he would be just like, no, 148 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:59,120 no, he was playing a Hooters tour event or, or like a, um, qualifier for some moonlight 149 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:05,600 tour was like the lower echelon Hooters Nike was kind of the one before the tour. Yeah. You know, 150 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:12,960 like the, uh, minor leagues, if you want to call it. Um, Jeff also had his card. He had his PGA 151 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,920 card for three years. Really? Yeah. And he kept like having to go back and re get it, you know, 152 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,240 cause he just couldn't, which is another different conversation, but he just couldn't, once he got 153 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:30,880 onto the tour, it's so hard to maintain it as a rookie. I'm sure. Yep. So anyways, Jeff goes out, 154 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:39,600 makes par on the first hole and birdies the next 11 holes shoots 61. Holy cow. Holy cow. 155 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,560 What's your longest streak? Three or four, maybe I had five. 156 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,640 That's my longest. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I'm going to say about the same, maybe four. Yeah. 157 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,120 But to birdie 11 in a row, that's when you know that you're a different, different level of player. 158 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Absolutely. Right. You're in the zone. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, and, and just a very random kind 159 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:03,360 of conversation, but I mean, he's got so many different, you know, accolades to his resume 160 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:10,960 as far as I know he's been section player of the year multiple times. Um, just, and you know what, 161 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,720 again, very humble, uh, when you go to him for a golf lesson, you don't, you kind of think he's 162 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,280 talking almost a little different language because he's got so much knowledge. Gotcha. The things 163 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:26,640 that we've talked about this before, the things that make that are obvious to you and me that are 164 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,240 not obvious to the young lady that I just taught 45 minutes ago, who's a brand new golfer as far 165 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:37,040 as how to hold the club. Those things are obvious to Jeff. And for me even been teaching for 25 166 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,960 years and like, why didn't I think about that instead of all the things that we go down the 167 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:47,280 road of, you know, trying to think of. So, um, yeah, it's, uh, he's just a, just a good guy and 168 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:52,720 good family man. Um, great teacher, very simple. Like I said, he's, he's taught a lot of different 169 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,880 places. He was at Cheval for a little bit. He was at, um, Fox hollow. Um, I'm sure I'm missing, 170 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:05,600 missing some golf courses there too, but, um, it was just a, as you meet people, you know, again, 171 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,320 as we, we have lucky enough to meet people in this West central chapter, there's a lot of good 172 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,160 talent in our, in our area. A lot of good talent, a lot of good talent. And there's a, you know, 173 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:19,920 cause we've got the Orlando area in our area. And that's just a hub for a lot of good talent 174 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,480 right there. Your buddy Keith is player of the year. Player of the year. He plays with, uh, 175 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Keith Colzer, right? Yeah. He plays with people like Paul A. Zinger and Gary Cove and some of the 176 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,720 old tour. And the funny thing is about that is, um, you know, these guys have won on tour, one's 177 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,000 actually a major winner. Um, and it's funny at the end of the day, they're actually, Keith has to 178 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,320 give them strokes. So that's, that's, that's the funny thing. So you can see that the level of 179 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:51,680 talent in this area, you know, the West central chapter and the PGA chapter here, it's just 180 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:58,080 loaded with talent. Yeah. So I got two things to say about that. So, so Keith is, um, Keith has 181 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,640 been a great player for, in our chapter for over 25 years, cause I think he just won the, 182 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:09,520 he might've won the, he won the PGA section, um, player of the year, but I'm pretty sure he just 183 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:15,760 won the senior PGA section player there. Cause I think he's like 53, 54 ish. I think he's in his 184 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:21,520 sixties. Is he really? I believe he's 61, something like that. Yeah. He, it's amazing. And if you get 185 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,480 to watch him hit a ball, it's absolutely amazing. It's dead on flush every time. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, 186 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,600 the, the thing about, so when we play, um, I don't know if you played in these, but the, the 187 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,160 chapter championship over at old Memorial, have you played in those? No. No. Yeah. So I always 188 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,320 sign up for that one. Cause it's old Memorial Memorial. Yeah. Pay $150, play two rounds out 189 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,520 there. Great, great facility. Arguably one of my favorites I've ever played. One of the nicest 190 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:51,040 courses you get in the Bay area. Yeah. And maybe the world. Yeah. But, um, anyways, they always 191 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:57,120 tell me to park my van, like in the employee parking lot, right? Cause they've got the rolls, 192 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:02,000 they've got the Mercedes, the Maseratis, they're all up front. There's an image. You know, Hey, 193 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,880 Mr. Klotz, can you park your little Mazda CX-7? Behind the factory. Yeah, please. Exactly. 194 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Exactly. But, um, so Gary Koch is a PGA member in our section. Wonderful guy too. Plays in the 195 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:22,240 event and wins both divisions. Wow. Just coming up, he's doing announcing for six months out of the 196 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:28,320 year. Comes off the event, plays his forward tee cause he's 60 or past 60, whatever he is. So you 197 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,440 know, you're giving them the tee box just like we would if we were playing. He's probably hitting 198 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:37,440 the same link that we are. Once we get that. It's just amazing. Amazing. Yeah. So it's, 199 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,240 it's, it is neat to be able to see in a, like, like you just said, I've seen Keith and him kind 200 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,880 of be on the leaderboard together and, and the ones I've seen Gary put, you know, edges them out, 201 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,000 but I'm sure there's been plenty where. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. But those, those guys are, 202 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,680 you know, and I guess that the big thing is that as we talk about Gary Koch made it, but, 203 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:03,440 you know, we see guys like Jeff Leonard and Sean Klotter and, you know, Keith Colzer and Tim Pulse 204 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,560 for another name. These guys are so talented. I mean, it's amazing. You know, we see the talent 205 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:15,920 that they have that, you know, they didn't make it on the tour or, you know, for whatever reason, 206 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,800 one way or another, but it's just amazing that when you see the level of talent on the tour 207 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,760 or what it takes to get there and, and it's not just talent. There's a little luck that goes in 208 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,240 it too. You know, you win a tournament and you're off and running, right? Or, you know, on the other 209 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,520 hand, you miss a putt and you don't win that tournament, you get second place and you don't 210 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,520 get those exemptions and it's a whole different world for it. Yeah. It's, and you've had this too, 211 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,560 when you've been in your zone, like you get psychologically, like you're so positive about 212 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,440 yourself. You see, you feel like you're going to make every putt, the hole looks big, looks huge, 213 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,840 the fairway looks small because you, cause it, cause you know, you're going to hit the middle of 214 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,840 it. It doesn't look big, you know, it's like all those things happen. And Victor Hovland, I just 215 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,640 saw this morning that he's second in some tour event or wherever they're at this week or whatever. 216 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,360 I think it was over in Europe, but I mean, how good of a year did he, how did he finish with? 217 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,960 Absolutely. And that was a direct indicator. You can see the last six weeks of, 218 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:18,960 of the PGA tour season last year. I mean, just killed it. Yeah. Went, got a putting lesson or a 219 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,280 couple of putting lessons and that really changed. And short game too. He said to his chipping is 220 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,600 really what changed. Cause stats were terrible for the short game. And then he, you know, and it's 221 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:33,760 funny with the technology now, how to isolate those things. And again, like what, this is even how 222 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,120 we started our conversation today, Victor Hovland, number top, whatever he is top one, top three 223 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,920 player in the world. Guess what he's doing? He's going to get a lesson. Yeah. Right. He's going to 224 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:49,120 work on his game. Right. Yeah. We can't get people to come see us because they're think that we're 225 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:54,640 going to screw them up. Absolutely. My swing just clicked in. I don't need a lesson. Sure. But you're 226 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,760 hitting a hundred and two, but yeah, I watch YouTube. I'm good. Yeah. What does that do? Yeah. I mean, 227 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,680 sorry, we're on YouTube now, but still, but you know, there are certain things. There's a reason 228 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,880 why to have an instructor. And there's a reason why even the great players fall back onto those 229 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,000 instructors. And it's not, you know, I wouldn't say those instructors are giving any, you know, 230 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,400 life-changing advice or anything like that, but it's just the small little details that they're 231 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,360 able to notice that make a huge difference for those guys. You know, it could be just as some 232 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:29,120 simple as, you know, the grip of the putter, the tempo of the putter, you know, just your, 233 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:34,160 your aspect of how you're looking at a shot. And it just completely opens up a whole new door and 234 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,440 changes the way that they're going to play. And then your confidence goes up and then watch out 235 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,560 folks. Yeah. Once you've got the confidence of it's, it's free range and it can go the other way too. 236 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:50,480 Yeah, absolutely. So what I do then is I change putters. I just go buy a new putter. Like Arnold 237 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,920 Palmer has 300 putters in his trunk. That's one of the things I was talking about, but just to 238 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:04,720 finish up on that in the past 24 hours, I've had three brand new women golfers and just two yesterday, 239 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:13,120 one today, all over 60. Never, never touched a club before. All right. The thing that I tell people, 240 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:18,320 and I really think that, that we both do this well, but when you come to us for golf lessons, 241 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:25,280 the point of it is to give you a plan. Yeah. So you don't go to the range very randomly 242 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,560 with no idea what you're working on. A blueprint. Right? Yeah. Like that. It could only be, 243 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,960 we mean, you've talked about this before too. Like to me, my golf lessons should be 10 to 15 244 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:41,600 minutes long because I can give you what you need to do. The two to three things in those 10 to 15 245 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,880 minutes. But the other 45 minutes that we heard there for them is typically their life coach. 246 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Yeah. Correct. I mean, it's not bad. It's just kind of talking about it. That's kind of the way it. 247 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240 You know, I think people just don't understand that. I think when they come to you, to you, 248 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,240 they think that the swing is just so bad that it's going to take the whole hour to get it fixed. 249 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,320 And it's really not. It's small adjustments that you have to make. And, you know, as you said, 250 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:11,520 about 10, 15 minutes into the lesson, you've got it solved. Right? Then it's just basically 251 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,800 hammering those, those things into place and then building on top of that. Right? You know, 252 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,480 it might not be the end all lesson for you, but you know, you've got to do it in stages. You know, 253 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,240 do those small steps and then keep building towards it. And then you're going to start 254 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,360 seeing results. But you're right. I mean, after about 10, 15 minutes, we've diagnosed what it is. 255 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,760 We've told you what we need to do. And to be honest with you, there's probably maybe six or 256 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,880 seven things we need to fix, but we can't fix them all in one day. Right? So try to isolate one or 257 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,680 two of those, those things, and then just work on them. And you've got to go out and work on them 258 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,640 for about a month or three weeks or five weeks. It's just not one of those things like, oh, 259 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,480 I've worked on it for 30 minutes. I've got it. Right. No, mine doesn't work that way. What are 260 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,240 you working on right now? You said you were doing something with your kind of your center, your body 261 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,040 type of thing. Yeah. So right now what I'm kind of working on is trying to keep my left elbow 262 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,760 a little bit more tucked into my side. So when I rotate through, I don't feel like my arms are 263 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,520 kind of flopping away at the top. Yep. It's kind of a concept that Ben Hogan talked about, 264 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:19,520 about the left pocket of the elbow kind of turning around. Okay. I kind of feel like when I do that 265 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,160 correctly, at least the feel for me is I feel like that left elbow kind of, or that left pocket kind 266 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:29,520 of slingshots the ball off the club face. And I can really feel that club face, you know, really 267 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,440 grabbing that ball and going. Yep. But when my arms start getting a little bit away, it starts 268 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,000 getting a little disconnected. Yeah. So do you like, and I've heard all these different things, 269 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,800 tried some too, like, do you like the towel drill? Do you like the belt? Do you have like a, 270 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,240 I've heard like even like a range basket or something you could? Yeah. So I use like a 271 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,800 range basket. I'll put a range basket in the center. You put the center, the big part here. 272 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,640 Correct. Coming out this way and then you're holding it in between your forearms. Correct. 273 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,360 Okay. Correct. And really all I'm trying to do is make a half swing or a three quarter swing. I'm 274 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:06,960 just trying to get that connection. You can use a towel, but I find that you can kind of cheat with 275 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,200 the towel a little bit. I find that when you put the basket in the center of your chest and you 276 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:17,600 hold it with your two arms, that if you're, if you're over rotating, the basket pops out. So it 277 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,280 gives you some negative feedback that you're going to absolutely notice right away. That ball is a 278 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,520 training ball that is sold, right? That kind of hangs from your neck. I think you've had one before. 279 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,760 Impact ball or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That kind of does the same thing. Just part of it is, 280 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,640 is the whole, you know, setup procedure. Like we talk a lot, we talk a lot about a lot of things, 281 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:43,600 but I mean the reason why the grip, the position of your left arm, the right arm, like the reason 282 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,080 why that's important at the beginning is because you're trying to maintain essentially that space 283 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,840 between your elbows. You don't want it to look like that on your backswing. And what you just 284 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,680 talked about is on the way through, you don't want it to look like that. You want it to be 285 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:05,360 essentially the same space as they were at the beginning. Correct. So that set up that I've tried 286 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:10,960 before, I always felt kind of like you do. I always felt like the towel or the belt made me 287 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,640 too restricted. Yeah. You know, now I'm going to like punch you like this with no extension where 288 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,840 I need to have my arms extended to produce the power. Correct. Yep. So I like the head cover idea 289 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,640 underneath the, to me it's the right armpit. Okay. And then again, this is a good one to see. You put 290 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,000 the head cover squarely underneath your right armpit and you're essentially pinching your right elbow, 291 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,000 you know, your right arm to your, to your body. Rory does this one. He talks about this one. So, 292 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:45,120 you know, again, for our visual people and our, also our listeners online, the idea is that the 293 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,480 head cover stays in your backswing on the back, on the top of your backswing, but it absolutely 294 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,320 should be released or come out in front of the ball, past the ball. Oh, you know, yeah. Cause you, 295 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,920 when you, when you make your release and your arm comes out, you want that feeling of the head cover 296 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,720 going out past the golf ball. Okay. Yeah. You don't want it. Cause if you held it, then you would 297 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,600 almost have those alligator arms. And swing so far to the left. Right. Yeah. And you wouldn't, 298 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,960 you'd lose your extension. Gotcha. So it's, it's a good one, but yeah, that's, you know, we, a couple 299 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,520 weeks ago, we talked about me working on my grip. Yeah. How's that going right now? You know, when 300 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,800 you first did it, it was kind of a foreign concept. So how has it kind of been after what? Two, three 301 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:35,040 weeks. Yeah. I'd say that I'm probably 20% there. Okay. First of all, lack of practice time. Don't 302 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,560 do it enough. Fair enough. So when I played, I've tried to implement it and I do like all the other 303 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:46,640 listeners to us, I do it for three or four holes. I decide that, eh, it doesn't feel great. I'm not 304 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,480 getting the results. Let me go back to my old way. Gotcha. You know, so I don't have it in there yet. 305 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,240 It's not second nature by any means. So, but I definitely, what I've found from it so far is, 306 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,400 and I, is that the idea of the pressure, the, the, the one to 10, you know, 10 being death grip, 307 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,560 one being just very loose, a goosey is that as you do increase your club head speed, so you move from 308 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:15,280 your pitching wedge to your six iron, you, you know, you should essentially hold the club a little 309 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,920 bit tighter because the implement, the club head is moving faster. Correct. Right. So my grip pressure 310 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,680 currently, the way that I'm kind of dealing with it until I can figure it, until I can really 311 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,880 get comfortable with moving my left hand more to the right on top of the golf club. That is a foreign 312 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,680 feeling. Yeah. Especially for somebody who's been doing it weak with a weak grip for 30 years. Yeah. 313 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,840 So that idea of, of moving that grip, which is the permanent change, that's the long-term permanent 314 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,440 change, but I, again, I just don't feel comfortable with it yet. So, to me, just increase the grip 315 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,680 pressure when I'm playing in these little charity tournaments right now or whatever it is, that feels, 316 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,600 um, I can feel the club head being so much more solid at impact. Okay. That's, it's not flop, 317 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,520 flopping at impact. Gotcha. You know, it, I can, I can understand that, oh, this is what he was 318 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,520 trying to tell me. And again, I have students like this, you do too, where during those 30 minutes, 319 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,760 during that hour of lesson teaching, you may not get it, right? It might take you that aha moment. 320 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:20,160 Absolutely. Probably a month away. Yeah. But we want our 75 hours right now from you because 321 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,240 we want results. Yeah. We want, we're giving the information right now and you're getting the 322 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,920 information, but yeah, it may not work because you haven't done the work for it. Right. I kind 323 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,880 of resulted back to like math class, right? If you're taught a new concept, let's just say algebra 324 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,440 or geometry, you're not going to get it in the first period, right? You're not going to know it. 325 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:45,360 It takes taking that homework home, repeating it, repeating it, repeating it to really get the 326 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,520 concepts down. And that's, you know, that's, that's what it's about is, is, you know, having fun with 327 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,680 the process of practice, you know, make sure that you're enjoying the process and the practice of 328 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,440 it. And that's what you've got to do, you know, and that's what, where the results are going to 329 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 start coming from. It's a great analogy you just made too, that the whole math class or, or, because 330 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,400 you know, our kids, your kids are younger, but you'll find this out in a couple of years, like 331 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,560 the way that they teach math now versus the way that we were taught math, totally different, 332 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:18,320 right? And so, so mean, you can get to the answer of what the teacher is going to be asking your 333 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,280 child in three years when you fit in the youngest child or your oldest daughter is four, four in 334 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,680 18 months. So yeah, you still got a little bit of time, but once they get to that point of that 335 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,680 schooling, right, where they're there, you know, the answer, you can get to the answer, but you're 336 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,400 not going to get to the answer the way that the teacher wants you and the new math wants you to 337 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:42,800 get there. So point being for golf, like you've got to take the information and then you've got to go 338 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,600 work out it on the range or just do it in the backyard or just make swings indoors. And then 339 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,040 again, progress to, okay, now I'm going to go do it in the four player scramble tomorrow morning 340 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,440 when it doesn't really matter. I can kind of mess up. It doesn't really matter because the four 341 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,920 players scramble. And then I'm going to bring it to the Wednesday night golf league where now it's 342 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,680 two players, me and my partner versus you and your partner playing for a little bit of money. 343 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Still a little cover still. Yeah. Still got to still kind of fun. Then when can I bring it to 344 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,720 the section championship for the North Florida section where I'm on, you know, number, 345 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,560 trying to think of a memorial number one, two, three, I think it's four is a par three, 346 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,480 pretty challenging hole about one 90 got water on the left bunker on the right. 347 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Do I feel comfortable with that grip pressure grip change to be able to implement it under those 348 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,080 conditions? Yeah. You know, that's when you know, you've got it. Yeah. And that's what Hovland talks 349 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:47,600 about. Like in all these guys, like they don't have it yet. It takes those 10,000 hours. Yeah. 350 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,760 You're 10 years, 10,000 hours. That number of golf balls to get in there. And I mean, Tiger, 351 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,720 Tiger when he was young, that's all he did. Yeah, I had a really good friend. So when I was the 352 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,400 head pro at Green Valley Country Club in Claremont, so we were the East Central 353 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,240 chapter, which was Orlando and kind of that ballpark. So the section championship there was at 354 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Isleworth. Oh, wow. Which again, sign it up for that one. Absolutely. 150 dollars all day long. 355 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:24,640 And, you know, Tiger was there. This is back in 2000, 2008, basically, 2004 to 2008 was when I 356 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,640 was in Claremont. So Tiger was living in Isleworth at this time. Okay. So you would talk to the staff 357 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:37,120 at Isleworth and basically his not request, not demand, but essentially it was a demand, we'll 358 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:43,600 call it every morning. They brought out a five gallon bucket of golf balls and put it on the 359 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:51,680 range. And his house was located not, not, I mean, for a reason, his house was located 15 steps from 360 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,160 range. Like he could have bought anywhere in Isleworth. But he wanted 15 steps away from the range. 361 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,680 He wanted to be able to walk out that door, go 15 steps to the range, his area, you know, left side 362 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,520 of the range. And he hit balls for six, seven hours. Wow. And then he would go chip and putt, 363 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:15,360 go work out, come back, chip and putt that night, go home next day, doing the same thing. Yeah. His 364 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,000 workout routine was absolutely amazing. Right. If you ever saw it. Yeah. Maybe he snows that. 365 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,880 He would run. I mean, it's amazing. I think Justin Thomas asked him, you know, what was your routine 366 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,440 and he repeated it to him. And you could just see Justin Thomas like, I can't do that. No. You know, 367 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,160 there's no way. And he's, he's in his twenties. Yeah. But, you know, I think you make a really 368 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,520 good point there, Sean, is that we're, we're taking these things to the highest level that we can, 369 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,240 which is all chapter championship. And now you start talking about guys, when you start talking 370 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,440 about pressure being under a major, I mean, think about how many hours and times that they spent to 371 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,400 get that field and to, to work on that, to make sure that they can have the confidence to pull that 372 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,960 shot under whatever pressure circumstance that is. Yeah. You know, I think that's, that's, that's a 373 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,520 real testament of how good they are. And you see it with the girls, you see it with the, you know, 374 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,080 the seniors, it's funny, the senior, you watch a senior tour event, they still do it. Like Bernard 375 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,040 Langer is ridiculous at 64 years old. I don't think he's human. I think he's the Terminator. 376 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,360 I don't think, I mean, you could do his workout routine right now. Absolutely not. I saw it on 377 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,120 YouTube or Facebook and he's over there punching and stuff like this. There's absolutely no way. 378 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,600 I'd be dead after 30 seconds. Yeah. But, but, but that, that point of like the PGA tour player, 379 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,040 the LPGA tour player, even, I mean, obviously a lot of these college kids or whatever, part of what 380 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,040 they're learning is the pre-shot routine. Yeah. Right. And we've talked about this before, and I 381 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,640 don't care if we talked about this every episode, but the pre-shot routine, the visualization of a 382 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,480 golf shot. And again, this happens to you and me, even at our level. Absolutely. Right. Like 383 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,000 when you play, I've happened to be playing a lot of four player scrambles or two player scrambles 384 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,360 throughout the summer and you play with, let's face it, you play with players that aren't as 385 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,080 good skill level lives. It doesn't mean we're arrogant just the way it is. We are not worried 386 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,920 on hole number four at Lake Bernadette. Okay. Far five. If we're a hundred yards away, we are not 387 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,960 concerned about hitting it in the water. Nope. That's not in our, in our deal. No. Our deal is, 388 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,200 okay, we've got a hundred yard shot to a green. That's kind of narrowed front to back. We know 389 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,640 we got to hit it high because it's a, it's a pretty hard green, right? Our thought process is so 390 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,000 different than the 15 handicap or 20 handicapper, 30 handicapper, cause they are literally worried 391 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,960 about making contact, getting it over the water, not hitting in the water. They, they, they like 392 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,920 the one, the one of getting it close to the pin is like number five on the list. It's way down on 393 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,640 the list, but I mean the biggest one is just that water. I've got to get it over the water, you know, 394 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,320 and then the second one comes, how am I going to hit this? What kind of contact am I going to get? 395 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,560 And most of the time after that thought process is gone, they're running a million miles an hour. 396 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:02,240 They hit this ball over the green and go. So what's your a hundred yard club? Well, not club, 397 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,520 but what's your a hundred yard shot? You can give me maybe, maybe you have two different clubs, but 398 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:13,440 so for me, it would be basically a three quarter pitching wedge or basically a stock 52. Okay. 399 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,200 Depending on when conditions and stuff like that. I think it's good to have at least one or two 400 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,920 different shots for yardage. Yeah. I think that helps you. So when I play with players, I ask them, 401 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,320 Hey, what do you hit from a hundred yards? They're like, ah, sometimes it's this club. Sometimes 402 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,840 it's like, they don't know their yardages. Yeah. And you and I, and like, again, as you get better 403 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:40,400 at skill level, we are within two to three yards of our, like you said, our stock, your stock club 404 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,840 is a hundred yards, no wind. You feel good hitting 52. And I'm sure there's a few listeners out there 405 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,360 going, what stock? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. That's your normal basic, cause you should be 406 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,400 able to either add or detract from that stock yardage. So like you said, Hey, maybe, maybe 407 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,520 pitching wedge feels a little bit better because condition wise, maybe I just want to make sure I 408 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,800 do get over. Let's face it. Or, you know, the lie. I mean, we could have a little bit of a thin dodgy 409 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,440 lie where, you know, having a little bit more of a controlled three quarter shot is going to work. 410 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,560 If I have a fluffy up lie, then I'm probably going to be able to take a full swing and get under it. 411 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,960 So, you know, I think, you know, when you talk about that, especially with beginners, you've 412 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,200 got to kind of look at the lie and see what's it giving. Yeah. Right. Just don't say I'm going to 413 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,680 hit this cause that's what I always hit. Right. Yeah. I always needed that, you know, let the lie 414 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,720 dictate. It might be, you know, you may need to take an eight iron and really hit like a half shot, 415 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,960 whatever it may be. Right. Don't get stuck with, I've got the number at the bottom. My buddy hit a 416 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,720 nine iron. I can hit the nine iron. Yeah. Yeah. Don't get lost in the number at the bottom of the club. 417 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:49,360 Get lost in the number. That's going to be on the scoreboard. Go with me on this for a second. So 418 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:57,280 the handicap of a player is essentially, what is that number? Basically they, let's say that I'm a 419 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:04,560 six handicap and I'm par 72. How many times am I going to shoot 78 on that golf course? It's going 420 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,360 to be your best best 25% of the time. Like, all right. The other 75, you're going to shoot worse. 421 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:16,560 It's not your, it's not what you average. It is a trend towards what your best scores typically 422 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,160 are. It's your potential, right? It's your peak potential of what you could shoot. It's not your 423 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,920 average, which I think people say, well, he, you know, he's a six handicap and he shot a 74. 424 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,840 Well, he shot under his potential. Good for him. Um, but the day before he could have shot 82. 425 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,840 Correct. 92. So he had a good day, whatever we want to call it. You know, lucky day, good day, 426 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,840 whatever it may be. Those players always seem like they play against you and I when they're playing 427 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,800 or me and Crump or whatever you and I have an all star day. Oh my gosh. I can't believe we're 428 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,360 playing so good. Well, again, if you play with players that are better than you, you typically 429 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,960 focus a little more. That's the way I always kind of go with that. So I always take it as a compliment. 430 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,760 My friend Crump does not take it as a compliment. No, no, but I love it. I love being the little guy. 431 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,880 Um, you know, he, he really gets up to the match. You know, he does, you can see it in his face. 432 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,920 Um, and you can see, you know, you gotta kind of walk away and you shake the man's hand, but you 433 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,880 can see the joy in his hand that I'd be a pro. Exactly. Exactly. Doesn't matter if we passed that 434 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,200 test 10 years ago. It does not matter, but they enjoy that. So here's where I was going with the 435 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,440 handicap question was now you're playing with, with somebody in a scramble, right? And then 436 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,080 lady men doesn't matter. Okay. You're a hundred yards away and they come up and I'm like, Hey, 437 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:36,000 what club you're hitting? They go, well, this club always goes a hundred. Nope. No, it doesn't. 438 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:42,400 On your best day, when you hit the top 10% of your golf shots with no wind condition, no live being 439 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,640 like all those factors that you're bringing in, that's when the club just because you hit it a 440 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,760 hundred yards seven weeks ago, Tomahawk 200 yards. Yeah. That's, that's where I say, that's, 441 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,120 that's why I liked the idea. When I asked you the question, you said, well, I can hit pitching wedge, 442 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,200 three quarter pitching wedge. And I know the yardage is going to be a hundred yards, meaning 443 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,920 like, I know that I'm going to hit it at least a hundred. Yeah. So I'm going to avoid the hazard 444 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:13,120 type of thing. Cause and again, another topic for another conversation as you swing harder at a 52 445 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:19,120 versus swing harder at a pitching wedge, the 52 is going to might even go shorter, obviously, 446 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,960 cause there's a lot less lofty club. You're adding more spin to it, right? You're imparting more spin 447 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,000 because you're swinging harder, you're swinging faster and that's producing a higher ball flight, 448 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:37,360 which if there is any wind up there, that ball just drops. And number 12 at Augusta is the prime 449 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:46,240 example of that. Yes. Right. We sit back there and watch and how can the player, how can Francisco 450 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:54,800 Moulinari. Yep. And not only did he come up short, Tony Fino two balls later, 451 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,240 correct. Came up short. Well, great instance. How about Jordan Spieth? Yeah. You know, he was 452 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,760 absolutely, I think he had one, one arm in the sleeve of that green jacket that year and number 453 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,720 12 came up. Yep. Well, and that, that year I'm talking about is when Tiger hit it on the green 454 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:20,000 green, and he, the whole tournament changed in that little 11, which is a men corner, 11, 12, 13. 455 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:27,200 Right. But Tiger hit a lower ball flight. He's played the experience kind of going back, almost 456 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,080 going back to my friend, Jeff Leonard. Tiger's played Augusta at that time, probably 22 times, 457 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,840 you know, played the masters that many times because he just won it in 2020 or whatever. 458 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,680 So he, he, he understood the whole, he understood all of it. He understood like the, 459 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,720 Hey, you know what? I'm a little bit not tight, but just not like, I don't want to try to swing 460 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:52,000 hard at something. The wind always moves up in that area. You don't really know for sure what it's 461 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:58,640 doing above those trees. Let me keep it lower underneath the wind. These are all concepts that 462 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,600 you should be thinking about Saturday morning. And I think he even said that he knew that when 463 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,280 those guys hit those shots and missed it on that, he knew that they played it wrong. Yeah. And the 464 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,960 way that he played it, and I can't remember exactly. I mean, I think he said, I'm just going 465 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:19,360 for the center of the green, not going after it. And he knew after that he came off that hole, that 466 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,240 he had a really good chance to pour probably in his mind. He knew he was going to win. You know, 467 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,920 he knew the rest of the holes coming on in. He knew the mistakes that they made. And if you get 468 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,920 behind Tiger at all. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then that's almost going back to like, that was again, 469 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:42,720 2020, I think, or 20, whatever the last one will be, he won, which I think was 20. Yeah. But the 470 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,840 red shirt days, the red shirt Sunday days, right? That was a two thought, that was from like 96 on 471 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:55,360 and that intimidated the field to see him in his red shirt on Sunday. Absolutely. Already got an 472 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,400 advantage. So we talk about psychological importance. He's already got an advantage 473 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,880 before he even teased the ball up on Sunday. And he knows that he's going to, you know, 474 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,320 well, he even puts it out there that, you know, I'm wearing the red shirt because it's, 475 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,400 I'm not taking any prisoners. I mean, he even, you know, he puts that out there. I mean, 476 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,240 and it's a visual for everybody. I'm not going to take any prisoners. And by the way, 477 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:22,400 I'm the number one player in the world and watch me smoke it. Yep. I can't think of another player 478 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,760 that I can think of their, their shirt color on Sunday. It doesn't matter. Nobody else. Maybe 479 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,480 Jack with yellow. Okay. Jack with yellow. I think would be about it. But you know, there again, 480 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,720 you're talking about two greatest golfers of all time. Arguably. Yeah. But just, just cool that 481 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,200 maybe that's even from Earl, his dad or some somehow psychologically. I think he got it from 482 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,120 his mom. Okay. Yeah. From his mom. I think he got it from his mom because I think it's a, 483 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,680 what's that Asian influence of that or something like that. I believe it is or something like that, 484 00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,480 but red is like a no mercy, power color and you know, in that culture that, that really means 485 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,920 something. Yeah. So, yeah. And you got to think it has a psychological effect for tiger as well. 486 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,520 Right. Right. You know, he's out there and he's thinking, I've got my, you know, I've got my, 487 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,400 I'm a baseball player, my lucky socks on. So I'm going to beat you. Yeah. You know, 488 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,240 so it's just that mental confidence that you get as well. I just heard an interview with Patrick 489 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:22,720 Holmes this week. He hasn't changed his jock stops in like six weeks now. 490 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,640 Because they're not going to do commercial about that. Him and his wife are not getting close or 491 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,280 whatever. They were talking about it. He's like, I'm not changing until I lose again. So maybe on 492 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,720 Monday when he plays, I bet his wife's from the land and the equipment trainer. So it's just kind 493 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:44,480 of funny, but it is one of those, one of those, you know, superstition type of things. So I want 494 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,560 to finish up just real quick. The, you mentioned Paul Lasinger with playing with your buddy, 495 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,640 Keith and stuff. And again, another, you know, Florida section guy who also, cause that's the 496 00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:01,440 thing with like, there are, I think I think I'm correct with this. There's 23 classifications of 497 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:08,880 PGA members. We are, I think I'm currently like an A1, which means it's a general manager slash 498 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,720 head professional as a classification tour players, I think are a four that is like 499 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:20,240 classifications for all these guys. So that's like an IRS. Yeah. That's why. And if you're, 500 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,760 if you're a club fitter or if you're a swing coach or teaching professional, if you work in the media, 501 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,240 there's all these different classifications. Okay. Yeah. So, um, it's cool that that's kind of the 502 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:37,200 point is like, it's cool that Gary Koch can play in the same tournaments that Keith Kulzer and Tim 503 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,760 McElvena and Jeff Leonard and I, you know, like we, like we're all playing in the same event, 504 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:49,280 trying to do the same thing. So back in the day, I'm going to go, this is probably around 505 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:58,000 98. So A's anger had won a British open at that point. Um, so me and my friend go play in the 506 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:05,200 Sarasota city championship golf tournament at Bobby Jones complex. Oh, okay. Have you ever played 507 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:12,320 down there? No, no, I've not really, really cool public facility. Yeah, exactly. 36 holes. They got 508 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,920 the American and the international sides or whatever. So me and my friend from Massachusetts, 509 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,360 uh, we go down there and play now. Nobody knows who we are, which is great. Kind of a good way 510 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,440 to go into a tournament. Yeah. Right. Kind of a good way. Almost the white men can't jump theory 511 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:33,360 again. Like who are these guys? So anyways, short story is somehow some way me and my buddy win the 512 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:40,960 two day tournament gross or whatever negative eight for the two days, whatever on the trophy is 513 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:49,520 is Paul Lazinger and his partner from like 1989 or whatever it was. I'm like, how cool is that? I got 514 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,240 my name on the same trophy. That's as close as I'll ever get. Exactly. That's amazing. I'll ever 515 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:59,200 get, but, um, you know, I think that does bring out a good point as we kind of conclude here is 516 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,520 that, you know, with the level of talent that the chapter has and in this area, um, that we get 517 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,040 exposed to, um, that just kind of drifts down to our students, you know, and I think that's, that's 518 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:17,200 the beauty about this section is chapter, um, is that we have such an array of talent. We've got 519 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:23,280 major winners. Uh, we've got people that won the paint Stuart award. Um, we've got, you know, 520 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,120 chapter, uh, champions, senior chapter champions, and we get to discuss and talk golf with these 521 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:34,480 guys, uh, sometimes on the golf course and sometimes out of the golf course. Did you, did you know Kenny 522 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,800 Sims at all? Pretty well. So Kenny was over at Rogers park for years, um, African American guy, 523 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,960 just, uh, one of the, again, one of the most classy individuals you'll ever meet, um, worked 524 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,800 at Rogers park, worked at the Tampa sports authority. Now he's in Texas at the PGA, the fresco. Yeah. 525 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:59,360 Fresco. Yeah. He's top dog there. Right. So he did so many good things for youth and, and, um, kind 526 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,760 of the underprivileged youth. And again, just somebody that I can, I've got on my phone that I 527 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,280 could text and say, Hey Kenny, what's going on? You know, what happened last year at Rogers park? 528 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,880 You know, how is that event to whatever? So again, exposure to these different players and these 529 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,440 people that are just, you know, we, we, as PGA professionals, we should portray an image. We 530 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,680 really do, you know, and, and we do, we are respected and we are looked up to. And sometimes 531 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:32,800 we get beaten down inside the pro shop because, you know, whatever happens and it's not like we're 532 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,640 looking for the respect, but Hey, we put our hours in. Yes. We put our time in and, uh, I think it's, 533 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,880 I think it's a great thing. I'm excited to continue this with, with UT now, because I think it's such 534 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,920 a good way to be able to get our information in our heads out to the golfers, getting our message 535 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,600 out to the people. Yeah. So, um, as we say, we're going to conclude here. So, um, I'm one of your 536 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:58,960 cohosts and Macavan the owner and operator of swing theory golf.com. Yep. And I am Sean Klotz, 537 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,560 owner and operator of one stop golf club. So thank you for listening to dynamic golf podcast. 538 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:11,200 You can reach us at dynamic golf.org or Sean, where can they reach you at? Uh, Lake Bernadette 539 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,880 links. The Lake Bernadette is probably the best place, or we can just go on my website, which is 540 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,400 one stop golf shop, FL.com. Still looking for members over at the club. How many memberships 541 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,640 do we still have? We have 15 available over at the golf club, which is one stop golf club. Again, 542 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,560 that's an indoor, you know, virtual, uh, private hitting facility, even during this beautiful 543 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,200 weather. Now it's dark at six o'clock. Yeah. So it's nice to be able to have a place to go 544 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,360 work on your game. Gotcha. And then I know you're, you're gearing up with your students coming down 545 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,720 for the absolutely getting a lot of the Northern people down here. So it's an exciting time to be 546 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:49,200 down here in Florida. So if you want to get ahold of me for a golf lesson, I'm at swing theory 547 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,880 golf.com. Um, and please, uh, reach out to us, let us know if you have any questions or comments and 548 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,600 please subscribe. Thank you and have a great day. Thanks. Call first. 549 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,320 I think we did great right there. Good dude. I think that was good. That was a lot of fun. 550 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,160 Yeah, good job. Definitely. Good job. I should have moved the camera over there. 551 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:15,280 Okay. But we live and learn. Okay. Okay. We live and learn. That's all right. Cause I'm most of 552 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,840 the time this way. So next time we'll kind of have it over there. So I thought about that, 553 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,080 like about halfway through. I was like, you know, I should have had that camera over there. Anyway. 554 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:30,240 How long was that one? Do you know? About 50 minutes. Yeah. 555 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,480 Are you looking to elevate your golf game with swing theory golf.com? 556 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,600 You will. Tim, who is a certified PGA professional offers expert instruction 557 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,440 and personal attention to help you unleash your true potential. So get ready to tee off with swing 558 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:15,280 theory golf.