1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,840 This is the G podcast where we focus on family, friends, finances, 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,200 freedom and our future and everything else. 3 00:00:10,380 --> 00:00:12,800 This is the podcast tonight. 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,380 We are live and we are featuring the key of Bell, the one and only sober 5 00:00:17,380 --> 00:00:40,380 bourbon girl. Let's get right to it. 6 00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:42,420 Y'all already know what it is, man. 7 00:00:42,420 --> 00:00:48,040 This is the G podcast where we focus on family, friends, finances, 8 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,000 freedom and our future and everything else. 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,960 This is the G podcast. 10 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,380 Sober bourbon girl. 11 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:57,720 Thank you so much for joining us this evening. 12 00:00:58,140 --> 00:00:59,960 Thank you for having me. 13 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,640 And you already know. Cheers to you being here. 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,180 Cheers. Got a shout out to home team already. 15 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:09,800 Oh, we officially, officially, unofficially, 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,840 unofficially un-sponsored up in here, baby. 17 00:01:13,140 --> 00:01:16,640 Old hillside. Make sure y'all go check that out at your local ABC. 18 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:20,640 Nakia, once again, I really appreciate you joining. 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,220 I came across you on Instagram. 20 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,220 We are both a part of a local Bull City bourbon club. 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,600 I'm curious. Get to the background. 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,600 But I'm just curious, like, where did this love for bourbon even come from? 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,720 I want to get right to that. 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,220 L.A. style right in. 25 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:38,060 It started out as an anniversary gift for my husband. 26 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:40,600 So we was coming up on our one year anniversary 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,520 and he had mentioned that, hey, I want to start getting to bourbon. 28 00:01:44,820 --> 00:01:49,100 And he about he bought maybe 10 bottles on his own 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,900 just to try different things that he liked. 30 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:55,680 So I said, well, let's try to go to the bourbon trail for our anniversary. 31 00:01:56,060 --> 00:02:00,180 But due to his time commitment with work, my time commitment, 32 00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:01,640 and we couldn't make it. 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,640 So I said, hey, why not bring bourbon trail to the house? 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,340 So I hit up everyone I knew who drank bourbon, knew something about bourbon 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,220 just to get recommendations. 36 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:14,260 Even hit up one person that he followed. 37 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:16,880 And I didn't even know who it was, but I still messaged him 38 00:02:17,060 --> 00:02:18,680 just to get some recommendations. 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,640 So one bottle turned into two, turned into three. 40 00:02:22,020 --> 00:02:25,060 We ended up with about 50 for his anniversary gift. 41 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:28,180 Oh, so throughout the weekend, I just staggered them. 42 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:33,820 And so you said, excuse me, the bourbon trail. 43 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:35,400 What is that? In Kentucky. 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,280 So you can go to different distilleries and do toward them. 45 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,820 I know I'm downtown Louisville. 46 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:42,940 They have a whole lot. 47 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:46,160 And you can also travel to different surrounding cities. 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,820 So basically, it's a trail of a lot of bourbon. OK. OK. 49 00:02:49,820 --> 00:02:51,820 That's where the initial start came from. 50 00:02:51,820 --> 00:02:54,160 So, OK, very, very interesting. 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,200 So let me let me go back then. 52 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,240 So you you you got introduced to this bourbon 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,360 through your husband's desire to get more into bourbon. 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,640 How long have you been with your husband? 55 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,640 We've been dating since we were 17. 56 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:10,440 So 2007 is when we first started dating. 57 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,440 We got married in 2020. 58 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Started dating at 17. 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,440 And then you made it and got married at what age? 60 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,440 We got married in 2020. 61 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,440 So it was about what? 30. 30. 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,440 So you dated from from 17 to 30. 63 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:31,100 Oh, we when you met in high school, like where where where are you from originally? 64 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:34,100 We're from we're both from Rocky Mount, North Carolina. 65 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:38,100 And we went to the same middle school, went to different high schools 66 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:41,100 and leaned back up our senior year of high school. 67 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:44,100 Shout out to shout out to Edgecombe shout out to Rocky Mount. 68 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:47,100 What high school in Rocky Mountain did you go to? 69 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:49,100 I graduated from Rocky Mountain Senior High. OK. 70 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:52,100 He graduated from Southwest. OK. 71 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:55,100 Hey, shout out to the 252. 72 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:58,100 I do know folks who went to both of those schools. 73 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:00,100 They are there listening. Shout out to y'all, man. 74 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:02,100 You met in Rocky Mount. 75 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:06,100 So so was both were both of you born and raised in Rocky Mount? 76 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:08,100 Like, yes. OK. 77 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,100 Everybody go to the same church. 78 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:12,100 Did your families know each other growing up? 79 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,100 Like, I'm curious, like, what just what was that growing up like for you? 80 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:17,100 Our families didn't know each other. 81 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:21,100 We were on the same bus route when we went to middle school. 82 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:26,100 So we knew each other in middle school through just on the same bus in the different areas. 83 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,100 OK. OK. 84 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:30,100 You meet in middle school. 85 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:34,100 How do you end up, say, becoming, I guess, what we call boyfriend and girlfriend? 86 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:37,100 Like, how do you how do you officially start dating in high school? 87 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:41,100 Was it like a letter where you check here, check here and we good to go? 88 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:44,100 Or like, what was that like at 17? 89 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:49,100 So I guess the new age would be isolated into his DMs. 90 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:52,100 But no, I send him a message. 91 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:57,100 We've always stayed in touch throughout the different years, even though we didn't go to high school. 92 00:04:57,100 --> 00:04:59,100 I always reach out and say, hey, how are you doing? 93 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:04,100 Just to check on you. Not because I was interested or anything like that, but because I just want to see how he was doing. 94 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:12,100 So my senior year of high school, we moved maybe 10 minutes from where he used to stay at, and he offered to help us move. 95 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,100 So I was like, OK, sure. You can come help us move. 96 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:17,100 And then it just went from there. 97 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:22,100 Very smart gentleman. So offered a little service and helped move. 98 00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:25,100 And from from then, he seemed like he moved right on in. 99 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:28,100 Right. OK. I. All right. 100 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:32,100 So I'm curious because you got married at 30. 101 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:37,100 And one of the things about these long term relationships is that you change over time. Right. 102 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:46,100 And when you meet someone at 17 and you manage to stick together from there to 30, you make it through your 20s. 103 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:52,100 But you're not the same person when you get married at 30 them as you were when you met at 17. 104 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:57,100 100 percent correct. So before I even get there, like, did you go to the same college, different colleges? 105 00:05:57,100 --> 00:06:01,100 What was that college age experience like for you as a couple? 106 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:06,100 So for us as a couple, we actually went to the same school, East Carolina University in Greenville. 107 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:12,100 RRR. Shout out to the Pirates. Yes. OK. Go Pirates. 108 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:16,100 I definitely got some homies who graduated from ECU. 109 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:19,100 So it's definitely nothing but love. Well, shout out to G Vegas. 110 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:24,100 So you both went to ECU. OK. What did you study? 111 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:27,100 I study computer science. He did nursing. 112 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:32,100 Computer science and nursing. So you both kind of like science nerds, kind of like. 113 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,100 Kind of sorta. I'm more so techie. 114 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:42,100 Techie. OK. I'm curious. ECU is known as, let's say, school where you can have a good time. 115 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:46,100 A party school. It is definitely. You said it. So it's your institution. 116 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,100 Feel free to frame it. That's what they say. 117 00:06:49,100 --> 00:06:54,100 It's definitely known as one of these schools where you're going to have a good time. 118 00:06:54,100 --> 00:07:01,100 What were some of those challenges? I'm curious. Just looking back, maybe could have made you both go separate ways. 119 00:07:01,100 --> 00:07:10,100 But ultimately, you did it for me. I've always been not big on like parties, even though I went to ECU, maybe my freshman year, sophomore year. 120 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:16,100 I may have went to a few parties, but I've never been the person to party, party, party. 121 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:21,100 I've always been to come to the house if you want to watch a good movie or something like that. 122 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:26,100 So for me, we kind of were yin and yang. So we kind of balance each other out. 123 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:35,100 He made party. I made two like the house, which is cool. OK. OK. Were you sober at ECU? Yes. OK. Sober always. 124 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:41,100 Always sober, not like always sober, meaning never been drunk or always sober. 125 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:49,100 Like, like, what does that mean exactly? Always sober as in I do not drink at all. Never have. More to learn here. 126 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:57,100 You're at ECU. He's a bit of a outgoing personality, likes to enjoy himself in that respect. But you, on the other hand, not as much. 127 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:06,100 I'm curious, like from a from a relationships dynamics like you, you, you meet at that early age and you mature to your early 20s. 128 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:20,100 And you've both been with each other from high school, going to the same school a lot of times, especially in North Carolina, when you've been together already for that longer period from, say, 17 and you graduate college. 129 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:35,100 People are like, why aren't you married? Like, what's going on? So I'm curious. Did you all have any like outside pressure or any thoughts at that, say, graduating college age to get married at that time period? 130 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:44,100 Of course, it's always going to be pressure. Whereas what are you waiting for? Why aren't you married? Like, are you all going to get married? 131 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:53,100 It's always that question. And for us, we are big on it's going to happen at the right timing. We wasn't going to let anybody rush us. 132 00:08:53,100 --> 00:09:03,100 We wasn't going to feel the pressure of, oh, because everyone is doing it. We have to do it as well, because oftentimes when you rush into something, that's when you start to fail. 133 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:08,100 Not saying that we were going to fail, but everything happens at the right timing. 134 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:17,100 What about, say, being together for five years, young 20s? Like, why wasn't that the right time for you personally? 135 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:26,100 For me personally, even at 22, being on my own, having my own job, making my own money. At the end of the day, I'm still a child. I'm still learning. 136 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:40,100 So for me, I wasn't ready to, quote unquote, get married at that time, because I'm still learning fresh out of college. He's still learning fresh out of college. And it's one of those things where we both are still learning. 137 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:45,100 So why complicate things and try to rush it when we're not ready? 138 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:48,100 Understandably so. Did you live together? 139 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:49,100 No. 140 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:54,100 So you stayed in separate residences until you got married or until you got engaged? 141 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:57,100 Until we got engaged. That's when we bought our house. 142 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:09,100 Okay. Okay. I think that is an underrated move that people should do more often in terms of not moving in together until at least there's some sort of intent to get married. 143 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:24,100 That was a big proponent for me because even I always say, I'm not going to live with a guy who's not either my brother or my dad and my husband. Those three components. So if we're engaged, that means we're on the path to becoming husband and wife. 144 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:28,100 So we can start looking to live together. 145 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:40,100 Yeah, I think I know I think I've experienced that mistake of say living with a significant other where you when you didn't have like an intention to do anything long term. 146 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:53,100 And I've also had friends who've done the same. And I've also in with my wife. We did more so what you're saying. Like we definitely didn't live together until actually we got married. 147 00:10:53,100 --> 00:11:17,100 So I do think just in retrospect, being able to live separately until there's some intent goes a long way and maintaining that relationship over time versus rushing into things and doing things out of what might be convenient, ultimately, because life is tough and it's more convenient to have or share those responsibilities even when you aren't married to the other person. 148 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:34,100 I agree. And nothing wrong if that's the path that you choose. But for me, that was the path that I wanted to take to live separate. Okay. Okay. From a career standpoint, you said you were more on the tech side. What what type of I know you're a software developer. Like what does that even mean? 149 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:45,100 Software developer. Oh, man, you can do so much with that career. So I know you should do that if you're looking to for career and you're undecided software development. 150 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:58,100 But what about if you're what about if you're transitioning, maybe like an adult looking for a second or third career, would it be attainable to pivot into software development? Is that is that attainable? 151 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:23,100 Yes, because you can do so much software. It's like software development is the hierarchy. You can do well development. You can do app development. You can even do what I do, which is more so looking at data. So for me, I don't do a lot of coding. The coding language that I use is SQL development. So I'm looking at data all day, running reports and pretty much like data analysis. 152 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:38,100 Word, but you can you can do a plethora of things with that degree. Okay. Okay. Word. I guess like when you say you look at data like can you can you speak a little bit more about what you do with the data after you look at it? Like what is it? Like give me a little bit of context as to what that means. Look at data. 153 00:12:38,100 --> 00:13:04,100 So we may get a requirement and it tells us they want a specific report on the data that we pretty much ingest. So they may want to report and say, join any enrollment, how many participants enrolled in the plan or how many participants migrated from this plan or based on this life event, life event, meaning you got married, you had a child, something of that nature. 154 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:24,100 Give me that type of report with the data that I have. Okay. Very interesting. I guess. Were you always into that techie stuff growing up or like how did you even fall into this sort of path? The software development was because I chose to go to ECU and they didn't have a computer engineering. 155 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:38,100 That's what I originally wanted to do. But computer engineering, that's more on the hardware side. So when I went to ECU, they didn't have a program for that. So I said, well, I can just do computer science, still dealing with computers and I can do on the software side instead of the hardware. 156 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:50,100 Okay. Okay. I guess what is it about software development? You seem pretty like enthusiastic about it. Like, and people should do it. Like, why are you adamant that it's something that people should do? 157 00:13:50,100 --> 00:14:04,100 Because it's one of those careers where you're going to always have a job. Even if you temporarily have a layoff, God forbid, you can still find something to do within that career path if you wanted to. 158 00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:17,100 Or you can pivot and do something different with the degree. You may spend 10 years of being a web designer and you may want to say, okay, now I want to pivot and do something different. You have that ability to do so. 159 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:22,100 And then technology is always changing. So you can go get a certificate and you're good. 160 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:33,100 I think that's important for people to hear too. Like, what are some of those certificates that maybe they should aim for if they were interested in trying to get into that sort of path? 161 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:48,100 It just depends on what you want to do. Because if you want to do like data analytics, you can look into like some AWS programs. It's web service cloud. And cloud is starting to be one of the big areas in tech right now, especially with data. 162 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:53,100 Everything's in the cloud. If you have an iPhone, you have iCloud. It's in the cloud. 163 00:14:53,100 --> 00:15:04,100 And then you can also take a look at different, if you want to do web design, get some web design, I think it's just a plethora of things that you can do and you enjoy it. 164 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:20,100 Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that because I think that oftentimes someone listening is just thinking about like maybe making the change, looking for something different, but maybe the idea of doing something that they didn't go to school for is like far-fetched. 165 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:33,100 But it seems like you can actually apply yourself and there are resources available where you can get the requisite skills to put yourself in position to get into one of these positions at a pretty good company. 166 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:48,100 Yes. And you, even with my degree, if I didn't want to do any coding, you can be the person to quote unquote test the code that I implement. So you can be a quality assurance engineer where you're not doing any coding. 167 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:51,100 You're just basically trying to break my code to find any defects. 168 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:57,100 Do you get along with those types of people? Like, yeah. 169 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:05,100 Me personally, I do. And I always advise my team to find issues in the code before we release it into production. 170 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:12,100 Because if we release it into production and there's an issue, that's when we start going down a lot more escalations. 171 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:20,100 But break the code in non-pro so that we can fix the issues. Because as a developer, I'm looking at the code, I'm thinking it's right. 172 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:24,100 But then there's another set of eyes to say, hey, this actually isn't behaving as it's supposed to. 173 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:29,100 Without taking me out too much, because I don't know if I'm going to understand the answer to what I'm asking. 174 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:34,100 But like you said, let's figure out the defects before we put it into production. 175 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:48,100 What are maybe some of the like, if you do you have any like stories that like that you can speak to that you something was found when it was too late and and it was like, oh man, that was a real big lesson learned. 176 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:53,100 Yes, it's actually just happened recently. We had we had an install. We do our installs on the weekend. 177 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:55,100 So it's about 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night. 178 00:16:55,100 --> 00:17:05,100 And we were reaching the end of the install and we realized that one component was not deployed to production, which caused part of our release not to work as expected. 179 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:21,100 So at about midnight, I had to contact our squad leader, which he's over the team prioritizing the different requirements and working with the business and to tell him that, hey, we forgot to deploy this code to production. 180 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:28,100 And users are not going to be able to use it until we have an install emergency install conversation. 181 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:36,100 It got a little heated, but we slept on it the next day and then we we got it into production. 182 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:37,100 But yes. 183 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:38,100 OK, OK. 184 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:42,100 I guess that is I guess that serious business, if you will. 185 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:54,100 Like people are depending on you. A lot of people are depending on people like you to maintain, especially in this world where everything is software based cloud based, built on some sort of code. 186 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:56,100 Like that's the world we live in today. 187 00:17:56,100 --> 00:18:07,100 So now that I'm even talking about this more, you probably will always have job opportunities, especially in a place like RTP in the Triangle area with so many tech companies. 188 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:08,100 Yes. 189 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:16,100 Kind of pivoting back like you mentioned your husband's had a desire to try and get into bourbon, but that led to 50 bottles. 190 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:17,100 Yes. 191 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:20,100 Like, wow. 192 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:28,100 I know, even if I just like got like one, like just a price point per bottle. 193 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:33,100 Like, I'm curious because a bourbon can it can it can start to become an expensive habit. 194 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:34,100 It really can. 195 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:37,100 So how are you as a sober person? 196 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:48,100 I know you said you called a few people, but like what's the level of your research here as a sober bourbon person to be getting these 50 bottles plus more since then? 197 00:18:48,100 --> 00:18:52,100 So when I first started, everything was blind. 198 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,100 I really didn't know if he would like it. 199 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:55,100 I didn't know his palate. 200 00:18:55,100 --> 00:19:01,100 I didn't know if he preferred raw bourbon, whiskey, scotch, Irish. 201 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,100 I didn't know anything. 202 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:09,100 So I relied heavily on researching the company and reviews from other people. 203 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:13,100 And then based on that, that allowed me to make my purchase. 204 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:18,100 So when I gifted him the bottles on each one, I had a tag. 205 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:24,100 They said why I purchased it, what's the bottle about and what the reviews were saying. 206 00:19:24,100 --> 00:19:25,100 Oh, very nice. 207 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:26,100 Very nice. 208 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:31,100 So you like a curated critic, like just hand deliver, like boom, like, OK, very nice. 209 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:32,100 Very nice. 210 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:34,100 What like did he expect? 211 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:35,100 50 bottles? 212 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:41,100 Like, I'm curious, like, like how much of this was he in the loop in and along the way? 213 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:44,100 He wasn't in the loop at all because it was an anniversary gift. 214 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,100 It was a surprise. 215 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:49,100 So he he didn't know anything until that first day. 216 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,100 I laid it out on the table when he got off work. 217 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:57,100 And then I included a couple of Glen Carons and one set of bottles. 218 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:02,100 So this set of bottles happened throughout the entire weekend so that I can give him the 50 bottles. 219 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,100 I didn't give him some all at once. 220 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:07,100 I broke it up with different notes and everything. 221 00:20:07,100 --> 00:20:21,100 Like when we when I gave him the different Scotches, I said, now we're going to travel across the world to Scotland so you can see what these are like as well, because his mom is from Scotland. 222 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:25,100 So I wanted to make sure that I included that as well in the in the anniversary gift. 223 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:37,100 Shout out to you know, funny enough, my wife is from Eastern North Carolina from a place called one of the places they be in Scotland. 224 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:42,100 So I know I noticed that it's something about that that part of North Carolina, the sky. 225 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,100 They definitely settled out that way for sure. 226 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,100 That is a fact. 227 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,100 This is a this is a this is a interesting story. 228 00:20:48,100 --> 00:21:03,100 So so at that moment when you're doing all of this is the sober bourbon girl idea or thing yet or is that just I'm just doing something in the name of bourbon for as a gift for my husband. 229 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:07,100 This was I'm doing something in the name bourbon for my husband. 230 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,100 I'm curious before I get to the next part. 231 00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:16,100 What was the standout bottle or two that you might could recommend here from that initial beginners experience? 232 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:20,100 What were some of the standouts that came to mind or that come to mind? 233 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:31,100 A few ones that I included in his original birthday gift was the I did include the old Ezra included Elijah Craig Barrow proof. 234 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:38,100 I included Buffalo Trace, of course, Blanton's, of course, and I included the on the Scotch side. 235 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:44,100 I did McAllen 12, of course, the well-known names and Uncle Nearest. 236 00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,100 I included that I had a variety. 237 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:51,100 I did Bro Berthers to because I did one section for Jess on black on. 238 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:53,100 Nice. So that was included in that. 239 00:21:53,100 --> 00:22:00,100 So did you did you did you get a premium something that was like significantly more premium price than anything else? 240 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:02,100 Like I'm curious in your initial run of 50. 241 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:06,100 What was just the most expensive bottle you remember getting in my run of 50? 242 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:17,100 The the most one that I will always cherish is getting the Stagg Jr. at retail at an ABC store in North Carolina. 243 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,100 Well, on a random Wednesday. 244 00:22:19,100 --> 00:22:22,100 Wow. It was just one bottle probably sitting there, too. 245 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:24,100 I was like, OK, let me grab that. 246 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:27,100 I didn't know much about it at that time, but they said it was allocated. 247 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:29,100 So I said, OK, I'll grab it. 248 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:36,100 So how did this go from an anniversary gift to like a passion where you build a brand around it? 249 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,100 Like how did it build from there? 250 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:45,100 For me, it was because I spent so much time doing research and all the bottles were on our kitchen table. 251 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:47,100 So one, they had to find a home. 252 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:54,100 And I was just talking it over with Chris and I was like, hey, I think I want to turn this into an Instagram page 253 00:22:54,100 --> 00:23:02,100 because I was doing a lot of research on my normal page and I started getting more bourbon ads than anything else on my regular page. 254 00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:07,100 This has to transition to another page because I don't want bourbon on that page. 255 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:09,100 It's not what the page is for. 256 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,100 OK, interesting. 257 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:15,100 And then that's when my husband actually thought of the name. 258 00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:21,100 So the credit for the name goes to Chris. 259 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,100 I mean, husbands can be good for something. Just let it be known. 260 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:27,100 They can be good for something, man. 261 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:30,100 Shout out to Chris for coming up with that name. 262 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:36,100 And by the way, I told you this off camera, but you got the what's the name? 263 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,100 The Fokia. What is it? 264 00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:41,100 What is that called with the camera where it blur out the back, the bokeh or is that what it's called? 265 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:42,100 You got that going. 266 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:47,100 So it's a little blurred out, but your logo is very fly with the Glencairn. 267 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:53,100 Yeah, they're going to show you with the Glencairn with the abbreviation of the of the SBG. 268 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,100 So that's fly to I have to have to point that out. 269 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,100 That's a that's a dope design there. 270 00:23:58,100 --> 00:24:00,100 Yes. Kudos to Harrison Lyman. 271 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,100 He made that logo for me. 272 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,100 Very nice. Very nice. 273 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:07,100 And so so husband comes up with the name, turn it to an Instagram. 274 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:10,100 What time like what what how long ago was this? 275 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:14,100 This was maybe a year and a half ago. 276 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:19,100 It was it wasn't that far from the anniversary because the anniversary was in August. 277 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:23,100 So it was around that maybe September time frame. 278 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:25,100 OK, in 2021, we go on. 279 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:31,100 So when you had so that was your one year anniversary where you did this gift right here. 280 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,100 Yeah. Yeah. 281 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:34,100 You go through your 20s. 282 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:43,100 How did you know that you were ready to actually get married versus continue doing what you were doing? 283 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:47,100 For me, it it came down to just a mindset. 284 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:52,100 Oftentimes, everything is a mindset shift whenever you want to do anything. 285 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:56,100 So for me, I've always been considerate and stuff like that. 286 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,100 Generous, helpful, compassionate, just a trait. 287 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:09,100 And for me, when I started to see that shift in him from the 20s to kind of the growth, 288 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,100 that's when I knew that, OK, I think we're ready. 289 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:12,100 I think he's ready. 290 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,100 I think I'm ready. 291 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:17,100 So when he asked, I was I really didn't know he was going to ask. 292 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,100 But I said yes. 293 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:23,100 How I he's not here to speak for himself. 294 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:30,100 But I am curious because I would imagine that you all have talked about getting married, being together that long. 295 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:35,100 Right. Like the conversations had to have been there at some point. 296 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,100 Excuse me. And like, I'm curious. 297 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:42,100 Did you give him any hints that, hey, like now would be a good time to move forward? 298 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:50,100 Like, I'm curious how he had the intuition to say, I think that we're that she would be ready to receive what I'm going to ask for. 299 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:58,100 For me, I've never been a hint type of person because when it happened, I wanted it to happen because you wanted it to happen. 300 00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:05,100 Not because I kind of gave you some insight in, oh, you need to do this because I wanted you to make that shift 301 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,100 and know that this is what you wanted to do because it's a lifetime commitment. 302 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:16,100 I didn't want to kind of put a bug in your ear and say, hey, it's about that time for you to marry me or I'm walking out the door. 303 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:23,100 So hypothetically, had he asked or let me ask this, did he ask any time before then? 304 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,100 No, we just asked once. 305 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:32,100 Had he asked maybe at 25, would you have felt compelled to say yes, even if you weren't ready at 25? 306 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:40,100 Me personally, I would have said yes, but we probably would have had a longer engagement than what we had now. 307 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,100 Longer engagement. Okay. 308 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,100 And why do you say that? 309 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:57,100 Because at 25, I wasn't in a place where financially speaking, where I wanted to go into a marriage or I wanted to go into planning a wedding that wasn't high priority for me at that time at 25. 310 00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:59,100 What was a high priority for you? 311 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:04,100 For me, fresh out of college, I remember I had four years out of college. 312 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:15,100 I was still building me because at that time we was together since we were 17 up until now in this hypothetical scenario, 25. 313 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:20,100 So it's always been Kia, Chris, Kia, Chris, Kia, Chris. 314 00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:23,100 If you think of Kia, you think of Chris. If you think of Chris, you think of Kia. 315 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:31,100 So now that we're out of college, we're both working. We're both still learning ourselves basically because 25 you're still young in my opinion. 316 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,100 That wasn't something that I was ready to go ahead and jump into. 317 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:40,100 You still had growing to do. He still had growing to do. I still had growing to do. 318 00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:44,100 We still grow every day, but at that time period, it just wasn't the right time for us. 319 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:57,100 Okay. I asked the question because when you're together for so long, a lot of people you hear different opinions might be like, well, we've been together this long. 320 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:02,100 Why get married anyway? What took you so long? Nothing's going to change. 321 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:08,100 I'm curious from your standpoint, because you literally was together from 17 to 30 and you knew each other. 322 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:16,100 Like what changed after marriage that just was different than the 13 years of dating? 323 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:23,100 Nothing for me. I always tell people how a person is before marriage is usually how they are after marriage. 324 00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:31,100 If your spouse or the person you're with always leaves the rag on the sink, it's not going to change after marriage. 325 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:42,100 It doesn't matter how you feel. So you're going to be there. But with marriage for me, I became a little more considerate. 326 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:48,100 Whereas if I'm going somewhere, I'll let you know because, hey, you're my husband and you should know where I'm going. 327 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:54,100 Before marriage, I'm just about to say, hey, I'm going out of town this weekend and this is what it is. 328 00:28:54,100 --> 00:29:02,100 Right. And then, of course, after marriage, I get your clothes washed and stuff like that. 329 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:14,100 Okay, okay. Word, word. I appreciate you sharing that because I think that's a mature way to put it, in my opinion. 330 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:22,100 Because oftentimes people have this thing in their mind that after they get married, the person will be like this. 331 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:31,100 When they've shown you who they are day after day after day and you've dealt with it day after day after day. 332 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:40,100 And yet you somehow have convinced yourself that because you've dealt with this day after day after day, you're going to get married and everything's going to change. 333 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:46,100 Why are you doing that to yourself? It's not going to happen. So I agree with that for sure. 334 00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:52,100 And it is also too like, with that said, knowing your partner before you get married is critically important. 335 00:29:52,100 --> 00:30:00,100 I'm curious, like how long just in your opinion, just if you were talking to somebody around the same age and they met somebody, 336 00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:09,100 what do you think is an appropriate amount of dating time before you can comfortably know somebody to move forward in a dynamic like a marriage? 337 00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:18,100 It just depends. I can't quantify that because everyone is different. Every relationship is different and no two are the same. 338 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:25,100 So I can't put a number on that. So it just depends on you as a person, how long you've been knowing this person. 339 00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:32,100 And if you feel like you're ready for that next step. Me personally, I can't put a number on that. I can't quantify that for the moment. 340 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:43,100 Would you would you would you say that there's any downside to waiting as long or dating as long as you and your husband did and getting married? 341 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:48,100 Did you say that there's any negative side to that approach? I wouldn't say there's a negative side to that approach. 342 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:51,100 It is one of those things where we're both married, no kids. 343 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:58,100 A lot of our friends who did get married before they have kids now. So hopefully when we do have kids, 344 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:05,100 our kid will still have someone to play with at that age. Got it. 345 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:12,100 But yeah, it's not really a downside or a negative. It's just what you want to do and what that timing is for you. 346 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:16,100 OK, OK. You you get married in a year into the marriage. 347 00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:30,100 This the bourbon seed is planted and and since then it's taken off into a brand and its own page. And you also are a part of the Bull City Bourbon Club as well. 348 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:39,100 So I'm curious, like as you were starting to research your bourbons, what were some of the stories that really stood out to you along the way? 349 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:49,100 Stories. It was quite a few stories, actually, because each for me, I have to research each distillery or each bottle before I make a purchase, 350 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:52,100 because I'm going in and not knowing how it tastes. 351 00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:59,100 So I'm basically relying on others to give input, tasting notes, research of the company. 352 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:13,100 So for me, I just love how each brand is different, but they pretty much use the same ingredients and make a different product based on either where they're at, 353 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:19,100 location, if they decide to do more corn in their mash, more rye, more wheat. 354 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:29,100 And it's just for me, the fascination of the history behind each of the bourbons or the history behind each of the companies. 355 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:42,100 That is definitely an intriguing piece to the puzzle, how you can have even whiskey from the same mash beside to right beside each other in two different barrels. 356 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,100 And they both come out tasting completely different. 357 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:53,100 Yeah. Have you visited any distilleries yet or or has all of it been sort of like virtual? Have you made it there to the trail? 358 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:58,100 Yes, we've been to the trail twice and I've been back there two times this year as well. 359 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:08,100 But we we visited the distilleries in Louisville. So Peerless, Michter's, Evan Williams, Old Forrester. 360 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:13,100 We did Buffalo Trays. We did Jephthah Creek. We did Caslin Key. 361 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:21,100 We also did I want to say it was one more. I can't think of it right now. Oh, Heaven Hill, Bardstown Bourbon. 362 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:28,100 Wow. Oh, that is pretty impressive. And it's pretty short run, I think, like because this is all within the last, what, two or three years? 363 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:33,100 Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. So y'all just really been all through Kentucky. 364 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:43,100 Do you have any personal like given that you don't taste it? Do you just personally have any favorites that you for any reason you just their favorites for you? 365 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:49,100 For me, favorite distillery that I love to visit is Michter's. 366 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:55,100 And from the first tour that we've been, I've done two tours at Michter's, their legacy and their founder store. 367 00:33:55,100 --> 00:34:03,100 And both of them are awesome. And the people who work there are just great. And the bar upstairs, they have mocktails. 368 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:16,100 So I was able to enjoy a drink as well. But I always love Michter's, always a huge fan of Blue Run and especially the African-American distiller's. 369 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:23,100 Uncle Neer's, Old Hillside, Bro Brothers. Those are always a plus in my book. 370 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,100 And then Penelope, that's a great brand as well. Everyone is awesome. 371 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,100 Word. Word. Like this is it's intriguing to me. 372 00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:38,100 Like and I'm like, how do you have such a passion for something, but yet you don't indulge in it? 373 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:48,100 Like how is this possible? But it's possible through connection with your significant other is what I'm taking away here. 374 00:34:48,100 --> 00:35:02,100 Yes, you have that connection with my significant other. And then also one thing I like to tell people, even if you don't drink, even if you do drink, but you don't like whiskey, the community is so open. 375 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:13,100 Even when I first started being that I don't drink at all, I was a little hesitant on making the page because I was like, who's going to follow me knowing that I don't drink and I'm giving them advice on what to purchase. 376 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:21,100 But everyone in the community is so open and you so much you can do inside of the bourbon community without drinking. 377 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:27,100 You can be a photographer. You can be a videographer. You can be the person to unload the trucks for the bourbon. 378 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:35,100 That's actually a job. You can have a love for something, but not partaking the full experience of how it tastes. 379 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:50,100 Yeah. And it's also like your husband always has a designated driver, which is amazing. Don't have to really worry about the Ubers like that. Wifey's coming. I can drink what I want and go home safely. That's amazing, man. 380 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:55,100 Yes. 381 00:35:55,100 --> 00:36:09,100 So you also mentioned that y'all bought your first home when you got engaged. What was that thought process to buy a home when you hadn't even lived together? Let's just buy a home. 382 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:25,100 How did that? How did that idea come to be? Yes. So we knew we wanted to purchase a home. So when we got engaged, that was the perfect opportunity to go ahead and buy. Granted, at that time, the market was not that great because our interest rate was high. 383 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:38,100 But we wanted to be in that we were building a life together. We wanted to build that life in a home together as well. So we bought our first home together and then we got married. 384 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:54,100 You bought that first home. And I guess I guess because it seems like especially young couples, you said the interest rate wasn't that good. But the trade off there is the housing market. The prices of the houses have not gone down at all either. 385 00:36:54,100 --> 00:37:11,100 So the cost of the homes are still increasing regardless of what the rate is going up or down. The overall market is still going up. So it's still a good thing that you guys purchased when you did. But that opened up the door to like even more like I guess real estate. 386 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:28,100 So I'm curious, like when you bought that initial house, did you have plans of buying other properties at that time or was it was that the spark to getting into trying to build from a real estate standpoint? I know for me, I didn't have any other plans to buy any houses. 387 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:47,100 It may have been a thought in the back of Chris's mind to one day buy more. During COVID actually, we took that as an opportunity to buy more properties. We was fortunate to get our first property during COVID and it just borrowed from there, our first investment property. 388 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:56,100 Okay, COVID was a unique time. What was it about COVID for you that like really said this would make sense now given the time? 389 00:37:56,100 --> 00:38:12,100 We were just fortunate with the opportunity to purchase that first home where we couldn't just walk away from it. It was such a great deal. And we was walking into the deal with equity in the home. So it was one of those things where Chris had started doing travel nursing. 390 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:39,100 I was working from home and it just made sense to doing it, which it just makes sense to put the extra money into real estate. That's, that's, that's, I think that might be a teaser. We don't have to get Chris on to talk more about the real estate in the future, but it's a, it's a great, it's a, it's a great thing to do, especially as a household to build your household and build resources and access the capital for your household. 391 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:54,100 Like you said, you had equity before you even moved in and especially during that time period when the market was at like 20, 20 to 20, basically to like 2023 essentially, like the market just shot crazy and everybody got equity if you own. 392 00:38:54,100 --> 00:39:13,100 Yeah, interest rate was low, like 2.5% on an investment property. Man, what? It's nuts. It's nuts. And I think today now it's like five and a half, five, six. Yeah. So that's, that's, that's double the rate, which is hundreds of dollars typically depending on the cost of the investment. 393 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:27,100 But we might have to, that's a little teaser. We have to, we have to shout it because we have to get them on to learn a little bit more from his perspective there. Pivoting back to the bourbon brand, Chris came up with the name, said, we're going to make an Instagram. 394 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:38,100 The algorithm gave you the vision for the Instagram funny enough, like algorithm drove you to make another Instagram. So the algorithm powerful because it got, it's doing its work. 395 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:54,100 So, yes. So what were some of the initial like visions and goals of the sober bourbon girl brand? Yeah. When I first started, I just wanted to take pictures and post what Chris thinks of the pores. 396 00:39:54,100 --> 00:40:10,100 So I essentially, when I first started the brand, it was around that September timeframe, which is the bourbon heritage month. So I was doing like 30 days of posting different bourbons, but I did it in the aspect of Chris's point of view. 397 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:17,100 So these are 30 bourbons that Chris has tried. This is what he thought. And it just went from there. Very interesting. 398 00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:28,100 But now it turned into like an official brand and everything. Right. Like so. So what was it about the post that said, what I'm actually going to build on this? 399 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:41,100 For me, when I started to notice that this is actually a cool name, like sober bourbon girl, that's a cool name. And people started to identify me as the sober bourbon girl. 400 00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:54,100 So I wanted to lean more into that. So when marketing, I got the logo this year, prototyping some merch. And from there, I just wanted to see exactly where that takes me. 401 00:40:54,100 --> 00:41:02,100 Just wanted to showcase that you can enjoy bourbon whiskey rye without actually partaking in a drop of it. 402 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:12,100 That is a unique message that I don't think gets shared often enough. I can't say that I live by that message. I'm an indulger. 403 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:22,100 But, but I don't like the fact that because I like to indulge in certain things, people might feel like they can't be around or whatever the case. 404 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:32,100 And to your credit, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. And there are interesting stories that you might even appreciate. Learn something about the bourbon. 405 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:40,100 Even so let me ask you, do you do you do any of the elements outside of the taste? Do you look at the color? Do you give it any noses? 406 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:46,100 Like, like, I'm curious, like what, how far has your appreciation for the bourbon made you lean in? 407 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:57,100 So right now I set up different tastings for Chris around the house. So I would do different things like a bottle and a bond thing, bear proof thing, scotch thing. 408 00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:05,100 So for me, I will smell, I will swirl the glass, check out the color, check out the legs on it, quote unquote, as people say. 409 00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:13,100 And I will, during one tasting at Victor's, I did taste and spit. So I didn't swallow. So I just spit. 410 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:20,100 Very interesting. Someone would have to say pause there, but we're not going to do that. 411 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:30,100 But when it comes to the bourbon, so that's the only time you actually had any taste of liquor was at the distillery on the tasting. That was like your first like taste of bourbon. 412 00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:40,100 Of course, growing up, you may have like a drop. I may have had a drop here and there, but other than that, no, it's not like a full grown out. Oh, let me get a shot or something like that. No. 413 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:44,100 Okay. What about a little wine on communion or they've given out Welches? 414 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:46,100 They were giving out Welches. 415 00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,100 Okay. Okay. 416 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,100 But even now it's the non-alcoholic wine for me. 417 00:42:52,100 --> 00:43:01,100 Yeah. Yeah. Now, you know, I think it's, I think it's important to, don't get me wrong. I am a man who enjoys vices. So let's be clear. 418 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:16,100 I definitely have the things that I enjoy, but I think it's important to highlight and normalize this too, because everybody doesn't have to drink, doesn't have to smoke, doesn't have to indulge in things that, that inhibit the senses. 419 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:25,100 Like you don't have to do that. You don't have to be inebriated and you can still have fun. You can still be social. You can still go out and enjoy yourself. 420 00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:35,100 And not only have you found a way to do that, like you're building on that and turning it into a brand that, like you said, who knows what it eventually might turn into. 421 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:44,100 But I think that it's just a great story for several reasons. One, for how I just highlighted and two, because I'm just sort of a hopeless romantic. 422 00:43:44,100 --> 00:44:02,100 I like to highlight people who are in relationships, who chose to be in relationships, especially black men and black women who choose each other. And even the story of how one partner influences the other and then you get intertwined with each other. 423 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:20,100 And then you become something that you would have never been had you not met this person. I'm really into that whole sort of thing because I don't think that it gets highlighted enough from a reality standpoint with real people and real life, everyday situations. 424 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:36,100 And I'm real grateful that you were willing to come on to the platform and share a little bit more, not just about your background and your interactions with your husband, but about this dope brand, the sober bourbon girl and how it came to be and what you're looking to do with it long term. 425 00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:51,100 You're very welcome. Thank you for having me. And I always tell people I love love. I'm in love with love. So no relationship is perfect. But it's just like you say, at the end of the day, we choose to still choose each other. 426 00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:57,100 That's a quote over our bed. I choose you. Even I embedded that in his wedding ring. 427 00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:16,100 Mm hmm. It is a choice. It is definitely an intentional choice. Yes. Any anything that you would want to leave listeners with, whether it be websites to follow if you've got merch available or just any takeaways that you hope the audience leaves from after hearing this. 428 00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:32,100 Yeah, I just hope the audience got a little bit of a glimpse of who I am outside of the sober bourbon girl. Oftentimes, my Instagram page, you really don't get who I am outside of bourbon unless you have a genuine conversation with me. 429 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:47,100 I try to keep that separate. But I hope you just got a little glimpse of who I am as a person and merch is coming soon. So be on the lookout for that. And I would be remiss if I did not mention normalizing young millionaires.com hit up my husband. 430 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:59,100 And thank you all for your support. Be on the lookout for any future endeavors. Follow both of us on YouTube. Make sure y'all hit that subscribe button if you listening for sure. Yes. 431 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:08,100 And one more time before we close it out just because it is a sober bourbon girl we are officially unofficially sponsored by old hillside. 432 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:36,100 Shout out to the fellas man that's the home team. This is the podcast where we focus on family, friends, finances, freedom and our future and everything else. This is the podcast featuring the sober bourbon girl. I greatly appreciate y'all listening. 433 00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:41,100 No talk back.