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Welcome everyone to episode 459 of Signals from

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Mars. I'm your host Victor and for this episode

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I bring you an interview with Mark Gaffney of

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the band Gozu. This was a treat for me and this

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what I mentioned at the beginning of the episode,

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there are a lot of things that we talk about

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during this interview that I didn't expect. There

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are things that relate to different experiences

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that we've both had with music and different

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things of being from the same general region

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of the country. Were there things that I could

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relate with him and vice versa? So the interview

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went a lot longer than what I expected because

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there are different points that kept coming up

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and kept extending things. And it's awesome because

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sometimes, just due to the nature of the beast,

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you can only speak to someone for 10 minutes,

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20 minutes. And there was no limit on this episode.

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And I'm grateful that Everyone over at Ear Split

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helped set this up. And I was able to talk to

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Mark for as long as I was able to. I think it's

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a fun, easy listen. And I hope you guys enjoy

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it. And it also helps, you know, elicit certain

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memories of things that, damn, I'm old. You know,

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but outside of that, things that we used to do

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20, 30 years ago. And hopefully younger fans

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that are listening to this, if there's any out

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there, just things that when you look back 20,

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30 years from now and say, shit, I remember that

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interview. I doubt anybody will. But just to

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say, hey, you know, my generation, this is what

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we did. This is how we hung out. This is our

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thing that we did to listen to music. So we've

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all got our thing. It's got to be unique. It's

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is going on year 17, folks. Still love doing

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those that are still around. Thank you so much,

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and let's get on with the episode. Welcome everyone.

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Joining me today is Mark Gaffney of Gozu. The

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band will be releasing Gozu 6 on May 15th. So

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depending on when the episode comes out, either

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you'll be able to pre -order it or it'll be out

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there and hopefully you guys will be able to

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check the album out. Mark, how are you doing?

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Good, good. Thanks. How are you doing? Doing

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good. Wonderful. It's interesting that the last

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few weeks I've had a... Last few weeks? No, last

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probably two months. For some reason, I've had

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a bunch of interviews from bands that have come

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from New England, the Northeast. So being from

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Jersey myself, it's always fun to talk to other

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people that are from the general area. Totally.

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Yeah. So the first time I heard... about gozu

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was when you guys released last season and that

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was 2010 and this season yeah wow jesus sorry

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all good all good um and and the reason that

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i found out was at the end of the year we you

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know the listeners of the show i have them send

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in their 10 favorite albums of the year and we

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do a countdown and so on And I always check out

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what other sites do and what people point out

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as their favorites of the year. And a lot of

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the extreme metal sites were pointing out that

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Locust Season was one of the best releases. So

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I was like, I got to check this out because I

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hadn't heard of you guys yet. And I'm like, wait

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a second. Like all these sites that are into

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black and death metal and all this stuff, they're

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pitching a band that has melody, hooks, has heavy

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riffs. You know, I'm like, wow, this is up my

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alley. So this is awesome. Yeah. That was, that

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was an interesting, yeah. There was a lot of

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people love that album that you would think would

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never, ever. And yeah, they dug it. So yeah,

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that was always it. Yeah. I remember speaking

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to people about that and yeah, they're like,

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this is one of my top tens. I'm like, really?

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Yeah, so, you know, it'd be us and then some

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other band that, you know, we had nothing even

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remotely. But yeah, I think that's one good thing

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about us is that, you know, we kind of, we could

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cross -pollinate a lot of genres. Why do you

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think that's so? Is there something that you

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can put your finger on that makes fans of all

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types of metal listen to you guys? You know,

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I think... You know, there's definitely, you

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know, there's a groove, but there's also a gallop

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to it that, you know, you could definitely find,

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you know, yourself moving. You know, I think

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guitar tonality, you know, and drums, you know,

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we're lucky in regarding, you know, what we do

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and how we do it is, you know, we take a lot

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of our influences and there's a ton that have

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nothing to do with metal at all. Right. And yeah,

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people just seem to, you know, seem to enjoy

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it. And, you know, it's, you know, I think the

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biggest thing is very honest music. You know,

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we're not singing about stuff that we have no

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idea, right? Like, again, none of us have ever

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fucking fought a dragon. None of us, you know,

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have ever, you know, slept underneath, you know,

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a fucking... the desert you know for like three

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days straight so uh you know it's very uh you

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know it's honest music and i think you know it

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hits i think at an emotional quality doesn't

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matter if you're you know 16 or you're 85 uh

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you know if there's an emotional quality to it

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i think you know that can kind of get in there

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and people seem you know seem to enjoy that uh

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luckily for us right like So, yeah, because,

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you know, we've been on tours with bands that

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are way fucking heavier and such, and people

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dig it. You know, we went on tour with Goat Whore

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and The Casualties, Black Tusk. So we've done

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those. Then, you know, The Obsessed, Baroness

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Dozer. So I think our style kind of leads, you

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know, we can put our finger in many different

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pies, shall we say. Right, right. Absolutely.

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And it's interesting because throughout the trajectory

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of your career, as you've said, you know, the

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guitars, the drums, but as I pointed out before,

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there's always hooks and melodies and everything.

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Yeah, that's something that, you know, we're

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very, very conscious of doing. You know, I think

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also, you know, because growing up to what we

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listened to, you know, there was always that,

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you know, Definitely melody persona. I mean,

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Doug and I played in bands before this where

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we would open for like Parliament Funkadelic

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and stuff, you know, play like seven piece old

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bands and such. So, you know, we always wanted

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to bring that, the groove capability into something,

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you know, with heavier guitars, but we wanted,

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you know, I, you know, wanted to do like harmonies,

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you know, I wanted to do things, you know, that

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was, you know, very kind of like the Sly and

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the Family Stone model, but also kind of, you

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know, Crouch Steals and Nash Young, and then,

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you know, Joy Division and things like that.

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So I think, you know, people our age, you know,

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back when you're growing up, 70s, 80s, there

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was so much great stuff. And, you know, you didn't

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have, you weren't pigeonholed as much as people

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are, you know what I mean? Like, I remember,

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you know, hanging out playing basketball. You

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listed, like, Halen, and then you listed Sabbath.

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but then like fucking human league would come

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on. So, or Duran Duran. And then, you know, the

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next, and then, you know, my buddy Chuck Wilcox

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would be playing like tigers of painting. So,

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you know, I think it was way easier back then

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to, you know, just to, you know, on the radio,

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it wasn't just one type of music. It's just,

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you know, you would hear this and then all of

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a sudden it's Charlie Daniels band, you know,

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that it's Marshall Tucker, that it's fucking

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Linda Ronstadt and the Eagles. So I think. Growing

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up and really loving that sort of music, it was

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so melody and so hook -driven. It just was kind

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of definitely, it kind of leaves its mark. I

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know it did 100 % on me and a lot of singing

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styles that I enjoy and such. But it all goes

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back to being able to kind of bop to it. So for

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me, if it doesn't have a groove, I have a really,

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really hard time getting into music. Right. And

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much to your point, the album is a lot like albums

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from back then in the sense that it's very diverse.

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Like you listen to a lot of modern stuff and

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they're kind of pigeonholing themselves with

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just having the same kind of songs throughout

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the entire album, where with your new album,

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each song is totally different. So you're getting

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different, you know, different flavors off the

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menu there. Yeah, and that was something, you

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know, each album we do, obviously, you know,

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we always want it to sound better. But this was,

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you know, when we were writing this, each song

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had its own, you know, had its own thing. And

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even, you know, from, you know, there's stuff

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that's really heavy, then there's something like

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Corner Lariat, which is, you know, we've never

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done anything like that before. That's one of

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the first tunes I wrote for the album. I sent

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that to Doug. It was just me literally playing

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acoustic guitar and singing into my phone and

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then sending it to him. He wanted me to put that

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out as just literally just me playing guitar

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and singing. But I wanted a little bit more like

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accompaniment. And then you have like Corvette

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Summer, which is kind of like an ode to heart.

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You know what I mean? That kind of heart -cheap

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trick. Yeah, yeah. You know, and so, yeah, we

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wanted each song to kind of have its own breath,

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right? To be able to live on its own. So I'm

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glad you got that. That means the world to me.

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Yeah, and I think it makes the album a lot easier

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to listen to as well because each, again, each

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song sounds different and it isn't like, oh,

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yeah, I think I've heard this one already. I

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think I've heard that riff or that melody already.

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So it's like, all right, you know, let me skip

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it. In this case, it's very easy to go start

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to finish. I don't remember how many minutes

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the entire album is. Yeah, like 43 or something,

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I believe. Yeah, and it doesn't even feel like

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that, you know? Yeah, which is great. Yeah, thank

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you. Yeah, yeah. It's a very easy listen. It's

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very smooth from beginning to end. That's great.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, that's what we wanted.

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You know, that's what we wanted. And, you know,

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it was, you know, again, it's just the four of

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us, you know, really, we all have to enjoy it.

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Like, if we don't like a song, we're like, fuck

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it. You can't do it because you don't want to

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be up on stage playing something like, fuck,

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you know, I'd rather be having a beer, you know,

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go to the bathroom during this. So, you know,

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each member has to be like, okay, I dig it. Because,

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you know, you don't want to record something.

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You're just like, oh, Christ, this fucking song

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again. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I

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mean? So that's why, you know, we really set

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out when we were writing this album to have really

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kind of. every influence we had we wanted to

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like throw in there like midnight express i literally

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was like all right if if if like lover boy was

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a heavy band how would this sound you know so

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you know i would think of shit like that or i

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would think like excuse me okay you know I was

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kind of go back to like journeys who's crying

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now. I think that chorus is so fucking good.

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And so, you know, I would be like, God damn it.

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I would try to be cognizant of why did I like

00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:53.379
it? Right. Okay. There's certain things like

00:16:53.379 --> 00:16:55.360
this. And even I was, you know, just talking

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to someone like early culture club, like the

00:17:00.820 --> 00:17:02.860
way boy George would set it up, but the way he

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would stop and do like, like certain breaths.

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In certain harmonies. I remember like as a kid

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digging it, but then, you know, getting into

00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:12.630
that again, you're like, this is fucking, this

00:17:12.630 --> 00:17:14.250
is like Northern soul. You know what I mean?

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So I really wanted to kind of do an homage to,

00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:22.829
to everything that I really, really love. Yeah.

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And you know, anybody, you know, the way we went,

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you know, this I've never written my, you know,

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lyrics usually. I'll have lyrics and I think

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they stink. And then I'll rip them up and I'll

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write the whole fucking album. Like a week before

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I wrote all these lyrics easily, like in a two

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year span, just from what I was going through.

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And, uh, you know, never before. I don't think

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what I have. Usually I would just be like, okay,

00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:53.259
time for me to sit down with a pen and pad and

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just fucking write. But this time I had, excuse

00:17:55.940 --> 00:17:58.740
me, all the lyrics. I knew I was like, I have

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to use these. So what I would write at night,

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I'd put, You know, this could be a verse. This

00:18:04.579 --> 00:18:06.180
could be a bridge. I would love to do this for

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a chorus. So once we had all the music done,

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I literally sat just like this. It was just like,

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okay, I'm going to take these two verses. I'm

00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.299
going to use this for the chorus. I'm going to

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take this, which I thought would be a chorus.

00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.000
I'm going to put that in actually as a verse.

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So I had everything there. And it was just really,

00:18:25.819 --> 00:18:31.049
this would fit right here. I don't know about

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this. So I just had literally every emotional

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fucking output that I had. I wrote down and that's

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what the, that's where the lyrics came from.

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Okay. And as far as the music is concerned, do

00:18:45.250 --> 00:18:49.630
you usually stockpile music like that? Like you

00:18:49.630 --> 00:18:53.670
did with the, with the lyrics? We're, we're writing

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all the time, but usually for me, You know, when

00:18:59.180 --> 00:19:01.859
I write, it's kind of almost full song -ish.

00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.200
Okay. You know, Doug will come down with riffs,

00:19:05.259 --> 00:19:09.940
riffs, riffs. And then it's really, you know,

00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:12.799
it starts with he and I. And then once we feel

00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.900
like we have it, then, you know, the other members.

00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.019
And then they'll be like, well, okay, can we

00:19:17.019 --> 00:19:20.099
do this or this? So it really, you know, it's

00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:23.200
the four of us coming up, you know, with the

00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.579
final product. Okay. And, but. But again, yeah,

00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.440
this was just a different, you know, I just,

00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:33.460
I don't know. I was playing a shit ton of guitar

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because I had nothing else. Very literally, I

00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.819
was in this apartment like, see this, I'm going

00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:42.119
to go out of my goddamn mind. So I would just

00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.140
play, play, play. And so like Minute Express,

00:19:45.619 --> 00:19:51.319
Choralariat, you know, we really didn't have

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anything ever like that before. Again, I remember

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going and being like, they're either going to

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like this or fucking not like it at all. And

00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:05.779
so, you know, luckily they did. And even like

00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:08.579
Corvette Summer, you know, the end of that, that's

00:20:08.579 --> 00:20:10.940
just for me, like I love the Gap Band. They're

00:20:10.940 --> 00:20:13.859
too outstanding. And I'd always wanted to put

00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:16.839
like something like that at the end of a song.

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And so, you know, with something like that, it's

00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.539
just working on how do you go from A to B to

00:20:23.539 --> 00:20:28.319
C. without it being so rigid. So, you know, we

00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.980
would actually take the time and be like, so

00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:36.059
it, you know, it just was really, you know, more

00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:40.519
from feeling than anything. And, and yeah, hopefully

00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.920
people dig it. I'm really glad that you like

00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.500
it. And you find, you know, all the songs different

00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:50.440
because that is 100%. The other thing. Two that

00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:52.440
I noticed is that the album sounds completely

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different sonically from anything you guys have

00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:59.420
done in the past as well. Yep. Yeah. So, and

00:20:59.420 --> 00:21:01.039
that, you know, a lot to do with Benny Grotto.

00:21:01.099 --> 00:21:05.039
So Benny did Locust Season. Okay. And Benny is

00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:06.900
Joe, our bass player. That's his little brother.

00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:11.539
Right. Okay. So, you know, Doug and I had spoke,

00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.559
you know, in depth regarding how we wanted our

00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.079
guitars to sound. So he, you know, my sound is

00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.210
way different than his, but. You know, it always

00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:22.430
works. So we literally would go through each

00:21:22.430 --> 00:21:25.630
fucking pedal and be like, how's this sound?

00:21:25.710 --> 00:21:27.490
How's this sound? How's this sound? If Benny

00:21:27.490 --> 00:21:29.349
would record it and we'd listen back, it'd be

00:21:29.349 --> 00:21:31.950
like, oh, that's it right there, you know? So

00:21:31.950 --> 00:21:35.369
that way we knew, you know, in terms of, you

00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:38.109
know, thickness, in terms of tone, we knew what

00:21:38.109 --> 00:21:41.329
the fuck we wanted. It just made it so much easier.

00:21:41.390 --> 00:21:43.109
Instead of having to tap dance on, you know,

00:21:43.150 --> 00:21:45.630
nine different pedals, we were like, okay, we're

00:21:45.630 --> 00:21:48.019
using this for, you know, for the main. And then

00:21:48.019 --> 00:21:50.779
we're using this, you know, for background. And

00:21:50.779 --> 00:21:56.660
the way we recorded it, guitars and stuff. And,

00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:59.180
you know, when we first heard it, it was just

00:21:59.180 --> 00:22:02.000
like, wow, this is, you know, a lot of times

00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.400
you're just chasing tone, right? This, I was

00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:07.119
just like, holy fuck. Like, this is a guitar

00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.579
tone I literally had in my head, you know, since

00:22:10.579 --> 00:22:14.880
who knows. And yeah, just the way, you know,

00:22:14.900 --> 00:22:18.220
performance wise, but really. You know, him using

00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:22.779
mics, right? Him really kind of delving into

00:22:22.779 --> 00:22:27.000
what we were going for. Yeah, it sounds different

00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.420
than anything we've ever done. Was it a hard

00:22:30.420 --> 00:22:33.500
sale for you guys to work with him? Oh, no, no,

00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:36.839
no, not at all. Uh -uh, no. I mean, Christ, I've

00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.819
known Benny, what, now? Almost 20 years, you

00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:42.819
know what I mean? So, yeah, and, you know, Joe

00:22:42.819 --> 00:22:45.990
being his brother and such. No, you know, we

00:22:45.990 --> 00:22:47.609
had done a lot with Dean, Belt and Lotus, but

00:22:47.609 --> 00:22:51.170
Dean wasn't able to do it. And, you know, our

00:22:51.170 --> 00:22:53.569
first thought was, hey, let's see. I mean, Benny's

00:22:53.569 --> 00:22:56.190
so busy. I mean, the kid is most, one of the

00:22:56.190 --> 00:22:59.529
most sought after, you know, engineers, producers,

00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:02.549
not just in, you know, New England, but the kid

00:23:02.549 --> 00:23:06.950
is. So, you know, it was nice doing our first

00:23:06.950 --> 00:23:09.450
album with him and coming back and doing this

00:23:09.450 --> 00:23:11.450
after, you know, we've all grown, you know, after

00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:15.720
16 years. It was really, really refreshing. Like,

00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:19.000
and he's one of those, he can push you and be

00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.059
like, okay, hey, let's try this. Or let's try

00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:22.619
this, you know? Or I'd be like, hey, I'm thinking

00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:24.119
about this. He'd be like, fuck, you know, let's

00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:26.599
go for it. So there was a lot of that, like,

00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.579
let's try it. You know what I mean? You know,

00:23:28.579 --> 00:23:31.700
him being like, oh, I like that. And this was,

00:23:31.819 --> 00:23:34.140
you know, I knew exactly what I wanted to do

00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:36.299
vocally. Like, I had everything written down.

00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.220
Like, okay, I'm going to double this. This will

00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:40.140
be a call response. I'm going to try and hit

00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:44.000
this harmony. I don't know if I can. So, you

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.619
know, because this, when I sang the roughs, that's

00:23:47.619 --> 00:23:49.880
the first time anyone had even heard any of the

00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:55.119
vocals. You know, so, and then, you know, when

00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:58.880
we actually got in the studio and I sang, I was

00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:00.759
like, oh, okay, this is how it should sound.

00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:02.960
Because usually when you're rehearsing, you know,

00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:05.920
I'm singing and doing all this shit. But this

00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.039
album, we wanted the music to be so tight and

00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:10.900
to literally, when we got in, it was just bang,

00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:13.519
bang, bang. and be able to you know no around

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:16.660
um so we want to make sure that you know obviously

00:24:16.660 --> 00:24:21.000
the foundation was just was there and um you

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:24.299
know once i heard you know the music that's when

00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.039
i was able to go to my notebook and be like okay

00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.920
this will work here this work this will work

00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:31.019
here so it was very different writing process

00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:34.019
than i've ever you know been a part of you know

00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:36.839
in You know, of course, I've been playing out

00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.279
since I was 18. So, you know what I mean? So

00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.640
this for me was probably some of the best therapy

00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.759
I could ever fucking have. And that's interesting.

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.859
That was one of my questions was how therapeutic

00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:55.000
is music for you? Oh, yeah. I'd be a fucking

00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:59.880
complete barbarian if I didn't have music. Yeah,

00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:02.980
it would not be a good thing. You know, it's

00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:06.299
kind of the only thing that mellows me out. You

00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:11.039
know, it keeps my attention. Yeah, without music,

00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:13.599
I don't know how great I would be to hang around,

00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.259
to be honest with you. I mean, I always have

00:25:16.259 --> 00:25:18.900
it on. It's just one of those things. And as

00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:21.099
a kid, too, you know, my parents would always

00:25:21.099 --> 00:25:24.720
have the radio on, and my aunts and uncles. And,

00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:27.599
you know, all the older guys in my neighborhood,

00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.980
I was the youngest by far, they always had tunes

00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:35.210
going. So, you know, whether it be... I remember

00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:39.150
like when 1984 came out, those fucking, what

00:25:39.150 --> 00:25:41.130
is this bullshit? He doesn't want to fucking

00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:45.450
play guitar anymore. It's fucking, you know,

00:25:45.450 --> 00:25:48.430
jump sucks, man. Right. You know what I mean?

00:25:48.490 --> 00:25:51.450
So, so it's just one of those things like, you

00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:53.089
know, deep down, I was like, I fucking love that.

00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:54.869
I love Depeche Mode. Like, I think this shit's

00:25:54.869 --> 00:26:01.509
great. So at an early age, you know, I think

00:26:01.509 --> 00:26:06.140
knowing that, you know, enjoying all the different

00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:08.980
music and seeing, you know, these dudes that,

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:12.460
you know, some of them were great guys. Some

00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:15.140
of them, you know, maybe a different, you know,

00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:20.500
a different walk of life. But, you know, that's

00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:23.299
really was kind of my jumping point of just loving

00:26:23.299 --> 00:26:26.099
all sorts of music. And then my dad was way into

00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:29.359
like, you know, Willie Nelson, the Highwaymen,

00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.619
you know, more of that. And then, you know, he

00:26:32.619 --> 00:26:34.980
and I would listen to tunes all the time. I like

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:36.759
going on hockey trips. He always let me listen

00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:39.240
to shit, which was, you know, I remember like

00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.740
having fair warning and putting it on and, you

00:26:42.740 --> 00:26:44.680
know, it was not his thing, but he just was,

00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:46.660
he had always been like, okay, we'll listen to

00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:48.380
this, you know, and he would come, you know,

00:26:48.380 --> 00:26:50.500
before he passed away, he would come up and,

00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:55.299
you know, he'd seen Gozo a bunch of times. So,

00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:58.480
you know, that's one thing. Yeah. There was always

00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.819
music, you know, playing and, you know, playing

00:27:01.819 --> 00:27:05.039
sports and such. music was such a big part of,

00:27:05.059 --> 00:27:08.059
you know, any trip you took, right. You know,

00:27:08.059 --> 00:27:10.240
before you're, you know, I was laced up to play

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.319
or go on the lacrosse field and things like that.

00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.500
You'd always have tunes on. So, yeah, it's just,

00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:19.039
I think it was one of those things just kind

00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.779
of instilled in you. And back then, you know,

00:27:21.819 --> 00:27:24.539
there was no, like you couldn't press a fucking

00:27:24.539 --> 00:27:27.539
button or click stuff. So when you're on a car

00:27:27.539 --> 00:27:31.740
ride, you're a listen to it. There's no like,

00:27:32.089 --> 00:27:33.990
you know, cause you got fucking backhanded. Like

00:27:33.990 --> 00:27:37.970
what? He'd be like, Oh, that's fine. So, you

00:27:37.970 --> 00:27:39.569
know, then all of a sudden you're listed to like

00:27:39.569 --> 00:27:42.650
Gordon life and those sorts of things. So, um,

00:27:42.950 --> 00:27:47.170
yeah, it, uh, yeah. Music for me, you know, therapy

00:27:47.170 --> 00:27:50.089
wise and having one, you know, going through

00:27:50.089 --> 00:27:54.269
a pretty fucking rough, like two years, uh, you

00:27:54.269 --> 00:27:57.289
know, writing the album, that was my outlet,

00:27:57.349 --> 00:28:02.160
you know, uh, instead of, you know, robbing banks

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.940
or you know getting thrown out of bars or shit

00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.299
like that you know i mean uh literally i would

00:28:07.299 --> 00:28:10.900
just be like okay you know if i don't get this

00:28:10.900 --> 00:28:13.700
stuff out of me it's you know the outcome is

00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:16.400
not going to be probably great for everyone so

00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:19.980
um so yeah just you know what a thought would

00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:21.759
come in my mind i literally would just write

00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.119
or if i'd be driving you know and something come

00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.920
in my mind i just be like just talking to my

00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:28.539
phone and be like okay hopefully no one sees

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:32.059
me so great yeah it was um it's just one of those

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:34.599
things it's always kind of mellowed me out which

00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.180
luckily uh you know i i have that in my life

00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:43.759
um because yeah without it uh i i i don't think

00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:48.299
i'd be as kind of relaxed as i am yeah and um

00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:52.839
i think almost everything that you've named i

00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:57.710
have behind me on vinyl Yeah, it's hard to tell,

00:28:57.730 --> 00:29:01.970
but above the Ozzy image here is the cover of

00:29:01.970 --> 00:29:04.329
Depeche Mode's Violator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

00:29:04.349 --> 00:29:06.470
yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah. And

00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:11.190
I think sometimes people miss the boat on, you

00:29:11.190 --> 00:29:13.809
know, when we tour with other bands, very rarely

00:29:13.809 --> 00:29:16.990
would we ever talk about heavy music. You know,

00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:20.170
it'd always be like, talk about Skinner, or for

00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:22.890
me, my favorite band is the Allman Brothers.

00:29:24.150 --> 00:29:26.930
So, you know, But then, you know, I remember,

00:29:27.029 --> 00:29:30.049
like, hanging out with Brian from The Obsessed.

00:29:30.210 --> 00:29:31.829
Like, you know, be like, hey, man, do you like

00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:33.710
D 'Angelo? And he's, you know, socially showing

00:29:33.710 --> 00:29:36.509
him stuff like that. And then, you know, talking

00:29:36.509 --> 00:29:38.430
about, like, King Crimson with Wino and that

00:29:38.430 --> 00:29:42.430
sort of thing. You know, always, never, ever

00:29:42.430 --> 00:29:45.250
were we, like, talking, you know, about, you

00:29:45.250 --> 00:29:49.390
know, heavy stuff. And, you know, you need, you

00:29:49.390 --> 00:29:52.970
know, all different styles of music just so you

00:29:52.970 --> 00:29:55.549
can. You know, become, I think, a better musician,

00:29:55.750 --> 00:30:00.609
a better songwriter, you know, and not be afraid

00:30:00.609 --> 00:30:02.390
to, you know, some people are still like, oh,

00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:04.509
I can't tell anyone I like this writer. I can't.

00:30:04.549 --> 00:30:07.349
Who fucking cares? Yeah, absolutely. You know

00:30:07.349 --> 00:30:09.349
what I mean? Like if someone doesn't like you

00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:12.410
because you like Joy Division, they're probably

00:30:12.410 --> 00:30:14.329
not your buddy anyway. If they're like, you can

00:30:14.329 --> 00:30:17.210
only fucking like this kind of music. Yeah, yeah,

00:30:17.210 --> 00:30:19.690
yeah. You know what I mean? And, you know, there

00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:23.839
is some things like that. you know, I, I think

00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.140
paying homage to what you dig, it's a really

00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:33.599
nice way to give back or, you know, you know,

00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:35.480
I, you know, you think about, you know, you're

00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:37.700
in your room, right. And you fucked up. So you

00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:39.599
put tunes on back. Okay. I'm going to try and

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.819
relax. You know, I've ever listened to, you know,

00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:45.940
Christ, the last waltz and just, you know, just

00:30:45.940 --> 00:30:48.940
being like, okay, now I can kind of hear it.

00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.480
Like it makes no difference. And that, Or, you

00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.259
know, putting on, like, Christos and Nash and

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:58.180
Young, like, Deja Vu. You know, have my dad take

00:30:58.180 --> 00:30:59.779
me to see, like, Earth, Wind & Fire when I was

00:30:59.779 --> 00:31:02.720
young. Seeing, like, Stevie Wonder after football

00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.720
practice, like, 1986. Like, that's the stuff

00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:11.240
that completely molded me to, you know, why I

00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.640
wanted to play music. And then, you know, my

00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.559
band in college, same thing. You know, we would

00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:18.720
do cover tunes. We'd play, like, tunes by Chicago.

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.440
And then we'd play like Brick House and we'd

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.720
have our own tunes. We had two drummers. So,

00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.599
you know, I've always enjoyed playing different

00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:32.000
sorts of music. And, you know, if people liked

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.579
it, obviously that's great. Right. But there's

00:31:34.579 --> 00:31:36.819
nothing worse than seeing a band on stage and

00:31:36.819 --> 00:31:39.420
you could tell they fucking hate it or they don't

00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:41.819
want to be there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's

00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:44.359
just and my theory and our theory has always

00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.119
been whether if there's fucking three people

00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.170
in the audience. Or, you know, you play like

00:31:48.170 --> 00:31:50.890
Hellfest. There's thousands. You need to bring

00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:53.950
it just as hard for those three as you would,

00:31:54.009 --> 00:31:57.210
you know, because people are paying cash. And

00:31:57.210 --> 00:32:01.190
right now, it's, I mean, you know, people are

00:32:01.190 --> 00:32:02.309
losing, you know, like, how are you going to

00:32:02.309 --> 00:32:03.690
do this? How are you going to do that? So for

00:32:03.690 --> 00:32:06.509
us, it's always been, you know, if someone's

00:32:06.509 --> 00:32:08.490
going to show up, like, you got to bring it.

00:32:08.849 --> 00:32:13.089
So, and I think that's because we like to play.

00:32:13.170 --> 00:32:15.930
We all love to play. Like, all of us would rather

00:32:15.930 --> 00:32:18.720
be playing, you know. than doing most, you know,

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.940
than most other things. So, so yeah, but, but

00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:26.339
yeah, so this, we really wanted, we knew we wanted

00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:29.339
it to be heavy, but we really wanted it to be

00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:31.839
something that, you know, people, you know, didn't

00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.420
matter what lock walk of life you were, or maybe

00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:35.980
you're just into this fucking type of music or

00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:38.440
that we wanted something that would kind of transcend,

00:32:38.539 --> 00:32:41.980
you know, throw out a bigger net, shall we say?

00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.819
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And. So much of what

00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:54.319
you're saying, I mean, rings home to me. I mean,

00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.079
I think music for me has been such an important

00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.980
part of my life and similar for all the reasons

00:33:02.980 --> 00:33:05.259
that you've said, whether it's sports, whether

00:33:05.259 --> 00:33:08.740
it's long road trips, whether it's, you know,

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:10.700
I remember growing up in Jersey and we would

00:33:10.700 --> 00:33:13.329
just purposely. get in the car and just start

00:33:13.329 --> 00:33:16.410
driving just so we could listen to music. Yeah,

00:33:16.529 --> 00:33:19.990
totally. Yeah. Like I grew up like 25 minutes

00:33:19.990 --> 00:33:21.849
from Ontario. I grew up in Watertown, New York.

00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:25.569
Okay. So yeah, you know, yeah. Sometimes you

00:33:25.569 --> 00:33:27.230
get the car, you just drive. Then when I got

00:33:27.230 --> 00:33:30.269
to college, you know, we'd be like, okay, what's

00:33:30.269 --> 00:33:32.309
it take? 45 minutes. All right. Well, we're going

00:33:32.309 --> 00:33:34.769
to list all my brother's Ludlow mountain jam.

00:33:34.849 --> 00:33:37.470
Cause that's 45 minutes. And we'd be like, all

00:33:37.470 --> 00:33:39.579
right. So, you know, you would time shit like

00:33:39.579 --> 00:33:42.720
that. Yeah. Okay. This is an 18 minute, you know,

00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.140
minute memory, Elizabeth Reed. All right. We're

00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:47.019
good. You know, and you would, you know, that's

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:51.119
just, you'd be like, okay, if we go there, fuck,

00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:52.900
we can listen to this. I remember, you know,

00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:55.039
driving from, you know, Oneonta. I went to Harvard

00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.099
college to like, like class. And I remember being

00:33:58.099 --> 00:34:01.619
like, okay, we could probably listen to like

00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:04.819
Donald Fink's comic period. We'll put on, you

00:34:04.819 --> 00:34:07.400
know, George Benson. You know what I mean? And

00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:10.579
that's, you would know, like, okay, it's this

00:34:10.579 --> 00:34:13.239
far. Or, you know, you listen, like, welcome

00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.940
to the Katiba traffic. So, yeah, you know, it's

00:34:15.940 --> 00:34:18.079
always like you get in the car and be like, I

00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.619
know what we're fucking listening to. And that's,

00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:22.679
you know, and you would feel great about it,

00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.239
you know. And you still see some guys be like,

00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:26.539
you remember when? And they're like, oh, my,

00:34:26.539 --> 00:34:30.019
yeah, you shit me. So, you know what I mean?

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.280
Yeah, you would always find a reason to be able

00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.460
to listen to music. Yeah. Like just always. And,

00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.139
uh, you know, because it was such a different

00:34:38.139 --> 00:34:40.639
time, you know, there wasn't 8 ,000 fucking channels,

00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.639
right. There wasn't, you know, no one was consumed

00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.500
with, so, you know, you just listen to tunes,

00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.579
man. And, you know, whether it be, uh, I remember

00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:53.639
like listening to, you know, the faces or like,

00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:55.699
you know, listening to like Rod Stewart, who

00:34:55.699 --> 00:34:58.559
my parents really loved. And that caused me to

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.349
like, really, you know, get into like, All of

00:35:01.349 --> 00:35:02.489
a sudden I'm listening to like every picture

00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:04.590
tells a story, right? And it's like, stay with

00:35:04.590 --> 00:35:09.309
me. And, you know, understanding that he wasn't

00:35:09.309 --> 00:35:11.650
just doing this type of music. Like this, you

00:35:11.650 --> 00:35:17.929
know, he's hitting it hard. So it's nice. Yeah,

00:35:18.090 --> 00:35:22.190
you know, I mean, music again. Yeah, you know,

00:35:22.210 --> 00:35:25.449
I mean, I'll be 54. So, you know, everything

00:35:25.449 --> 00:35:28.289
was always surrounded by that. And yeah, same

00:35:28.289 --> 00:35:30.380
thing. You get in your car and be like. I can't

00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:33.699
wait to listen to this. I feel like cassette

00:35:33.699 --> 00:35:36.000
goes in and you're just like, whoo, here we go.

00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.199
So yeah. What part of Jersey are you from? I'm

00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.860
from a North center, a town called Dover. It's

00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.760
the town where Metallica played their first show

00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.199
with Kirk Hammett, actually. Oh, really? Ah,

00:35:49.300 --> 00:35:51.980
okay. There's a, there's a place called the show

00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:55.159
place. I live in Europe now. I live in Spain

00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.480
now. But it was a trip like two years ago. We

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.880
went back for the first time in 14 years. I have

00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:09.320
kids and whatnot. And that is no longer. It used

00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.219
to be a recording studio in the back, a go -go

00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:17.519
bar slash concert hall in the front. And then

00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:24.730
now it's something for. Has something to do with

00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:28.389
distributing meals for underprivileged people

00:36:28.389 --> 00:36:31.730
and stuff like that. So it's a trip to see one

00:36:31.730 --> 00:36:35.489
to the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

00:36:35.489 --> 00:36:39.250
insane. And it's funny because every time these

00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:41.389
last few years that we've gone back, you just

00:36:41.389 --> 00:36:43.829
mentioned Oneonta. Yeah. It's a house that we

00:36:43.829 --> 00:36:47.519
go up to that's close to there. Okay. in a town

00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.659
called Walton, New York. Yeah, I know where that

00:36:49.659 --> 00:36:51.500
is. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. So we've been

00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:54.139
going there since, since we were kids. Yeah.

00:36:54.940 --> 00:36:58.920
It's a house in the middle of nowhere. What we've

00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.099
always done is just sit on the porch, listen

00:37:02.099 --> 00:37:07.019
to music and just talk about whatever, you know?

00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:11.039
So it's always present. Yeah. It's always present.

00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.360
So, so much of what you're saying is, I mean,

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.929
there are so many similarities to. I've grown

00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:19.550
up and how I've, I've lived in my 52 years. So

00:37:19.550 --> 00:37:22.030
yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's just one of those

00:37:22.030 --> 00:37:25.730
things. Yeah. Like if people aren't into music,

00:37:25.769 --> 00:37:28.469
I always have to be like, there might be something

00:37:28.469 --> 00:37:30.389
wrong with that, you know, or someone's like

00:37:30.389 --> 00:37:32.030
future that, you know, I don't want to listen

00:37:32.030 --> 00:37:35.550
to like, okay. I don't think we're not going

00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:37.769
to be compatible. You know what I mean? Like

00:37:37.769 --> 00:37:39.969
all my really good buddies or, you know, the

00:37:39.969 --> 00:37:41.329
guys that went to college and stuff like that

00:37:41.329 --> 00:37:44.010
all love, you know, the same type of music all,

00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.820
you know, And it just really brought us all together.

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.239
So, yeah, without that, you know, I don't know

00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.519
how people function that just never listen to

00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.659
music or like, Hey, do you like that? I don't,

00:37:56.659 --> 00:37:58.139
you know, I don't really listen. You're like,

00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.480
yeah. Or what's, what's your favorite album by

00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.340
this band? Oh, I really liked their greatest

00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:06.159
hits. Seriously. You know what I mean? And unfortunately

00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.280
that, I mean, the greatest hits usually aren't

00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:13.139
even the fucking greatest hits. And I don't think

00:38:13.139 --> 00:38:16.090
people, I love those fucking deep cuts, man,

00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:17.730
especially like Marshall Tucker and shit like

00:38:17.730 --> 00:38:21.510
that. You know, just cause you know, it's something

00:38:21.510 --> 00:38:24.030
as radio play doesn't mean that, you know, the

00:38:24.030 --> 00:38:27.329
next song is holy shit, but guess what? It's

00:38:27.329 --> 00:38:29.710
19 minutes. You can't put that on the radio,

00:38:29.809 --> 00:38:32.550
you know, especially back then. So yeah, it's

00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:36.369
a, but yeah, I mean, and that's the nice thing

00:38:36.369 --> 00:38:39.070
about when you go on tour and stuff, you know,

00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:43.800
he's. It's not very glamorous. People think I

00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.880
sleep next to Doug every goddamn night. Actually,

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.559
I work from the van and so does Joe and such.

00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.599
You're in there, but you always have music to

00:38:56.599 --> 00:39:02.039
soothe if you're anxious or if you had a shitty

00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.400
sleep. There's always music on. For us, it's

00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:11.719
anything from Kurt Weill to fucking uh christ

00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.460
trying to think what the hell were we uh like

00:39:15.460 --> 00:39:18.599
you know i definitely you know put on like steel

00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.219
panthers you know there's always so many different

00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:23.780
things i'll put on like the grateful death that

00:39:23.780 --> 00:39:25.980
doesn't go over so well with the boys but uh

00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:32.019
but um you know so yeah but but again it's you

00:39:32.019 --> 00:39:34.539
know the reason that you do those 11 hour drives

00:39:34.539 --> 00:39:37.139
right the least reason that you don't get home

00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:39.000
to fucking three and you got to get up at eight

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.960
and Yeah. Your ears are still ringing until five.

00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.420
The more is because yeah, without it, the four

00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:48.880
of us, you know, we'd be out to lunch, you know?

00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:53.300
And yeah, it's just, so hopefully, you know,

00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:56.659
we played a show two weeks ago. We played five

00:39:56.659 --> 00:39:59.179
of these songs and the reception was fucking

00:39:59.179 --> 00:40:01.260
great, which I was really, really happy about.

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:06.340
And, you know, so right now I, I, on this tour,

00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:08.969
we'll have a song from every out. So. the six

00:40:08.969 --> 00:40:11.050
albums we'll be playing a song from each album.

00:40:11.170 --> 00:40:13.590
Oh, obviously, you know, with the, the gravitas

00:40:13.590 --> 00:40:17.449
on the, on, you know, goes to six, but yeah.

00:40:18.389 --> 00:40:20.409
So yeah, we'll, we'll be playing stuff from every

00:40:20.409 --> 00:40:23.269
album, which I'm really happy about. Yeah. That's,

00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:26.369
that's cool. Cause so many bands nowadays release

00:40:26.369 --> 00:40:30.469
things and they play what? Maybe one song. Yeah.

00:40:30.590 --> 00:40:33.489
Right. Yeah. What's the point? Yeah, exactly.

00:40:33.909 --> 00:40:36.849
You're like, okay, if I can, I could have, you

00:40:36.849 --> 00:40:38.420
know, I could have watched this. Well, I was

00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:40.760
making spaghetti or something. You know what

00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.699
I mean? He's like, fucking one, two. So, yeah.

00:40:44.019 --> 00:40:47.539
And we're also, you know, you get, you want to

00:40:47.539 --> 00:40:50.780
play the new stuff. Why the fuck did you record

00:40:50.780 --> 00:40:52.719
it? Why did you spend this time writing if you

00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.159
could play one song live? Right, right, right.

00:40:55.420 --> 00:40:57.019
You know what I mean? That'd be like, you buy

00:40:57.019 --> 00:40:59.599
this car you love, you drove it once. You're

00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:00.920
like, okay, I'm just keeping it in the garage.

00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.239
Yeah. Like, I'll go out and, like, pet it. You

00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.230
know what I mean? Hey, how are you? And then

00:41:05.230 --> 00:41:06.829
you fucking go back in and you hop in and they

00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:12.050
ride your bike. It's just not. So, yeah, you

00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:15.429
know, I, I'm really excited. You know, people

00:41:15.429 --> 00:41:17.150
that have heard the album have really enjoyed

00:41:17.150 --> 00:41:19.869
it like way more than other albums we've done.

00:41:21.690 --> 00:41:24.889
So, you know, hopefully, you know, people will

00:41:24.889 --> 00:41:28.610
dig it kind of open up like, you know, a lot

00:41:28.610 --> 00:41:30.250
more people that will come out and see, but,

00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:33.250
but yeah, it's just, you know, I'm really happy

00:41:33.250 --> 00:41:37.440
about it. I don't listen to really much. I don't

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.739
have any other goes or stuff just because I'm

00:41:39.739 --> 00:41:42.719
a bit critical, but this album, you know, I've

00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.179
listened to a few times and I actually don't

00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:48.179
mind the sound of my voice on this album or my

00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:50.900
guitar playing on this album. And that was kind

00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:53.280
of a turning point for me because other stuff

00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.820
like, fuck, I hate, I sound like shit, you know,

00:41:55.820 --> 00:41:58.719
or I should have done this differently. So this

00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.420
is the first time where I'm like, gosh, I don't

00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:02.219
mind it. Like if it comes on, I'm not going to,

00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:06.809
you know, So I think everything about this recording

00:42:06.809 --> 00:42:10.670
for me was a breath of fresh air. And I was able

00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:13.150
to kind of grow through writing and through playing

00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:15.170
guitar. And then the other guys, you know, were

00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:18.710
great about, like, fuck, hey, man. Like, what

00:42:18.710 --> 00:42:19.849
are you thinking? I'd be like, well, I think

00:42:19.849 --> 00:42:21.710
I'm going to try this. Go ahead. You know what

00:42:21.710 --> 00:42:26.590
I mean? So, you know, they are, you know, my

00:42:26.590 --> 00:42:29.769
best supporters ever. You know, by far my biggest

00:42:29.769 --> 00:42:33.610
cheerleaders. And I'm the same with them. which

00:42:33.610 --> 00:42:37.030
is good. Cause if not, why be in a band? Right.

00:42:37.510 --> 00:42:39.050
You fucking don't like the guys you're playing

00:42:39.050 --> 00:42:42.889
with. You know, it's, it's definitely, it's a

00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:45.309
marriage. You know what I mean? Like I've been,

00:42:45.329 --> 00:42:47.510
Doug and I have Christ been playing bands together.

00:42:48.809 --> 00:42:52.210
Gosh, close to 27 years. You know what I mean?

00:42:52.289 --> 00:42:55.849
And we go at it, but in the end, you know, it's

00:42:55.849 --> 00:42:59.329
insane thing with Joe. So, you know, we're able

00:42:59.329 --> 00:43:03.050
to have those. And then you're like, okay. I

00:43:03.050 --> 00:43:04.969
love you, but you're a fucking prick sometimes.

00:43:05.329 --> 00:43:07.510
And then, you know, you get on stage and you

00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:10.610
just do it. But, you know, without being able

00:43:10.610 --> 00:43:13.369
to have those conversations again, I don't know

00:43:13.369 --> 00:43:17.170
how certain bands, you know, stay together because

00:43:17.170 --> 00:43:20.030
you have to, you know, for, I think for the shit

00:43:20.030 --> 00:43:22.929
we do, you have to at least like each other,

00:43:23.050 --> 00:43:25.150
you know, to be able to, you know, to be in a

00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:27.530
van, you know, to be able to play. Cause we're

00:43:27.530 --> 00:43:30.289
certainly not, not doing it because. we're making

00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:32.210
a shit ton of money. You know what I mean? We

00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:35.389
all work, you know, 50 hours a week and such.

00:43:35.670 --> 00:43:39.369
So for, you know, this is a release. So again,

00:43:39.449 --> 00:43:42.070
going back to, you know, playing in front of

00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:44.989
people, you know, we fucking have to do the exact

00:43:44.989 --> 00:43:48.210
same thing. So, you know, when we want to bring

00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:52.570
it and that's never been lost on us. And, you

00:43:52.570 --> 00:43:58.190
know, hopefully, you know, these new songs. when

00:43:58.190 --> 00:44:00.090
people hear them live, you know, are going to,

00:44:00.090 --> 00:44:02.530
are going to dig it. You know, that's all we

00:44:02.530 --> 00:44:05.889
can hope for. You know, we, we definitely gave

00:44:05.889 --> 00:44:11.050
100 % to this sale. Okay. And song titles. Yes.

00:44:11.409 --> 00:44:14.389
Sure. Sure. How do you guys come up with the

00:44:14.389 --> 00:44:18.210
song titles again? Yeah. Come up with ideas and

00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:21.369
write them down and save them. So what we do,

00:44:21.449 --> 00:44:24.289
right. So the song titles are always at the end.

00:44:24.489 --> 00:44:28.309
Okay. And so we, We had, you know, we had to

00:44:28.309 --> 00:44:30.949
tone this shit back. Like the last time on this

00:44:30.949 --> 00:44:32.829
level, you know, we really had to tone it back

00:44:32.829 --> 00:44:35.550
just because, you know, just kind of the way

00:44:35.550 --> 00:44:39.929
the whole world is going right now. You know,

00:44:39.989 --> 00:44:43.409
it's just shit. So when we first, you know, started,

00:44:43.510 --> 00:44:46.210
we would just picture someone reading these and

00:44:46.210 --> 00:44:48.369
us just laughing hysterically and be like, can

00:44:48.369 --> 00:44:49.630
you imagine this fucking guy having to read this

00:44:49.630 --> 00:44:51.789
shit? Being so fucking pissed and being like.

00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:54.570
And the next up from Gozu, hey, hey, Chicken

00:44:54.570 --> 00:45:00.110
George. So, you know, there's like Killer Khan,

00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:02.449
you know, Banachek was, you know, back in the

00:45:02.449 --> 00:45:05.070
day. You know, definitely it's all stuff, you

00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:08.489
know, that we had reverence for. You know, Corvette

00:45:08.489 --> 00:45:12.969
Summer, Mark Hamill, Midnight Express, you know,

00:45:12.969 --> 00:45:15.610
great movie, but also it was a wrestling tag

00:45:15.610 --> 00:45:20.860
team. You know, Corinthian Leatherface. They

00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:23.179
didn't know karate that, you know, that was because

00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:25.320
we had a song called They Probably Know Karate.

00:45:25.659 --> 00:45:29.320
Right. You know, so I was like, those fuckers.

00:45:29.579 --> 00:45:32.280
And that was literally just from when we were

00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:38.420
recording Christ Was the Equilibrium. We were

00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:40.400
at this, you know, it was in Portsmouth, New

00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.980
Hampshire. We were done and we went down this

00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:46.760
bar that was right on, you know, the water. And

00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.650
like these 10 women came in. And then these two

00:45:50.650 --> 00:45:52.309
little fucking dudes came in and Doug's like,

00:45:52.369 --> 00:45:57.409
ah, they probably know karate. And so this time

00:45:57.409 --> 00:46:00.269
I was like, those fuckers probably, you know,

00:46:00.289 --> 00:46:02.929
they did know karate. So we're like, okay, let's

00:46:02.929 --> 00:46:05.010
call that. Or like, give me the loot. You know,

00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:08.989
that's an ode to Biggie Smalls, you know? But

00:46:08.989 --> 00:46:12.769
yeah, we just, you know, come up with shit that

00:46:12.769 --> 00:46:17.889
we just, you know, something that would make

00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:20.260
us chuckle. To really, to be honest with you.

00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.239
Because the lyrics and content are pretty deep

00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.800
and, you know, can be somewhat sad or heavy.

00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:30.679
So the song titles, you know, just something

00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.539
to kind of, again, just humorous. And, you know,

00:46:35.539 --> 00:46:37.239
people either get it or they don't. Some people

00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.460
get like really fucking mad. What does this have

00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:42.559
to do? I'm like, not a goddamn thing. That's

00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.260
the point. You know what I mean? Like, if you

00:46:45.260 --> 00:46:49.900
take yourself that seriously. your fuse is going

00:46:49.900 --> 00:46:54.420
to fucking suffer us. And we had shit that was

00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:57.179
way more, and we were like, yeah, maybe not this

00:46:57.179 --> 00:47:01.900
time. Let's see how it really goes. But yeah,

00:47:02.019 --> 00:47:04.219
it's literally just us being like, fuck it. You

00:47:04.219 --> 00:47:05.619
want to call it this? And just be like, well,

00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.260
what about this? Okay, we'll call it that. So

00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:11.260
yeah, the titles always come up after, and I'll

00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:14.300
be like, what the fuck? Okay, it's a song. What's

00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:16.179
the title again? You know what I mean? So we

00:47:16.179 --> 00:47:18.440
always said after we're always like, okay, which

00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.099
one is this? All right. This is killer con. And

00:47:21.099 --> 00:47:24.400
that's, you know, so yeah, it's always just something

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.679
after, you know, we're done, you know, with all

00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.300
the songs and stuff that would, you know, we

00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:30.699
usually would for us just sit down and be like,

00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.920
what do you think about this title? Okay. What

00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:34.860
do you think about that title? And it literally

00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:36.900
is that like people would be like, do you, it

00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:39.320
was just like, no, it's just literally four fucking

00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.800
guys being like, how about this? Or how about

00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.900
this? And I said, okay. Or it'll be like, Yeah.

00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:47.840
We might get in trouble for that one. You know,

00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:55.539
as we've gotten older, you know, we, we try to,

00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.840
you know, base what, you know, what's, what's

00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.539
happening, what's not happening. And cause we

00:48:01.539 --> 00:48:03.280
have to police ourself. Cause some of the titles

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.159
are fucking amazing, but we're like, yeah, we

00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.480
probably can't that, that might ruffle a few

00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.880
feathers. So, but yeah, it's great. I mean, yeah.

00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:14.460
So many people like would be like, this is fucking,

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.110
you know, God, I don't know what the fuck you're

00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:18.630
going to call that. Well, why not? Like, what

00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:20.750
do you want to call it? Fucking dragging trait.

00:48:20.889 --> 00:48:22.110
You know what I mean? It's just like, get over

00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:25.849
yourself, man. If you, you know, yeah, it's literally

00:48:25.849 --> 00:48:29.730
just something we did it as we would just literally

00:48:29.730 --> 00:48:31.530
think of people reading it and then being like,

00:48:31.550 --> 00:48:34.309
so fucking bullshit. I was just laughing like

00:48:34.309 --> 00:48:37.570
little kids and it's stuck, you know? So, yeah.

00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:39.969
So either people really like it or they get so

00:48:39.969 --> 00:48:42.489
fucking angry. And I was like, if you get angry

00:48:42.489 --> 00:48:45.739
over a song title. Jesus, like, what the fuck

00:48:45.739 --> 00:48:48.079
is going on in your regular life? You know what

00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:51.079
I mean? If this perturbs you, then, you know,

00:48:51.099 --> 00:48:54.559
this is a fucking hotline for you to call because,

00:48:54.820 --> 00:48:58.019
you know, you might want to get your shit checked

00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:00.920
out. So, yeah, it's just always something, yeah,

00:49:00.980 --> 00:49:05.480
just for fucking four guys just to laugh. And,

00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:10.420
yeah. And some people love it. Like I said, hey,

00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:12.480
man, are you going to, you know. is there going

00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.739
to be a wrestler on this one? Is there going

00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:15.820
to be this on this one? So it's fun to kind of

00:49:15.820 --> 00:49:18.179
be like, yeah, okay. Let, let, you know, we'll

00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:20.539
do it. We'll do this for this one. So yeah, it's

00:49:20.539 --> 00:49:23.099
definitely not like, we don't know what the fuck

00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:25.340
we're going to call it until the song is done.

00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.260
You know, it'd be great if we're like, yes, we,

00:49:28.340 --> 00:49:32.579
you know, we've met and fucking did peyote and

00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:35.559
it came to me in a dream. Nah, it's four dudes

00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.739
being like, okay, let's, I want to call it this.

00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:43.019
Yeah. So, so that's the extent of that. So do

00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:45.539
you prefer the sweet Stan Lane or the Dennis

00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:50.840
Condry version of the Midnight Express? Oh, fuck.

00:49:51.179 --> 00:50:01.260
Probably Stan Lane. Yeah. But then also, I don't

00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:03.800
know. That's a good call. It's a good call. I'm

00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.480
not sure. I think, yeah, because when we're thinking

00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.179
about that one, because it's also a tag team

00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:12.159
duo. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:16.599
Yeah, I think it was when Doug was thinking more

00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.199
movie, I was thinking more, yeah, in the wrestling.

00:50:20.539 --> 00:50:22.300
Yeah, you know what I mean? Which is usually,

00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:24.739
it's always the other way around. So, because

00:50:24.739 --> 00:50:27.920
Doug was, you know, wrestling. I mean, obviously,

00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.400
we haven't watched it, but, you know, as a kid,

00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.519
that fucking shit was on all the time. Yeah,

00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:34.300
yeah, yeah. You get up Saturday and, you know,

00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.460
you see Ric Flair and all these dudes and...

00:50:37.710 --> 00:50:39.750
it was just hilarious you know because you were

00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:45.349
like this what the that guy just say like this

00:50:45.349 --> 00:50:48.349
dude is what this outfit you know yeah so yeah

00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:51.690
i mean you grew up like everyone i know that's

00:50:51.690 --> 00:50:54.369
you know our age if they tell you they watch

00:50:54.369 --> 00:50:56.170
wrestling they're full of you know what i mean

00:50:56.170 --> 00:50:59.210
right it was inescapable i remember like going

00:50:59.210 --> 00:51:01.889
like my dad taking like myself, a couple of buddies

00:51:01.889 --> 00:51:03.710
and going to see like Bob Backlund fight, like

00:51:03.710 --> 00:51:06.489
Jimmy Snuka, like Iron Mark Sharp and all that

00:51:06.489 --> 00:51:09.110
shit. Then as I got older, I was like, you know,

00:51:09.110 --> 00:51:10.849
you just didn't have time because everything

00:51:10.849 --> 00:51:13.170
else was going on. But again, that was stuff,

00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:14.869
you know, that brought you joy, you know, when

00:51:14.869 --> 00:51:17.130
you were younger. So like, yeah, let's call a

00:51:17.130 --> 00:51:19.909
song that, you know, let's yeah. Tito Santana.

00:51:19.969 --> 00:51:23.949
Right. So, yeah. So we always try to have at

00:51:23.949 --> 00:51:27.989
least, you know, pay homage to a wrestler on

00:51:27.989 --> 00:51:31.230
each album. Yeah. That's another interesting

00:51:31.230 --> 00:51:33.789
connection because another band that I interviewed

00:51:33.789 --> 00:51:36.650
a few months back, a Wilhelm scream. They're

00:51:36.650 --> 00:51:39.969
also from Massachusetts and they also wrestling

00:51:39.969 --> 00:51:44.309
references in their music as well. So, yeah,

00:51:44.469 --> 00:51:46.530
I mean, it's just one of those things you could

00:51:46.530 --> 00:51:48.530
turn it on. You didn't have to, you didn't have

00:51:48.530 --> 00:51:50.730
to get deep. You know what I mean? You weren't

00:51:50.730 --> 00:51:52.230
trying to figure out the fucking Pythagorean

00:51:52.230 --> 00:51:54.210
theorem. You don't want to do is getting super

00:51:54.210 --> 00:51:59.309
mixed. You just watched and we're like, okay,

00:51:59.449 --> 00:52:01.030
I got to go to a hockey practice now. You know

00:52:01.030 --> 00:52:03.909
what I mean? This is me and Gene Okerlund or

00:52:03.909 --> 00:52:06.949
Gordon Soley. Yeah. Yeah. I remember like watching

00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:10.349
on WPIX, New York station. Yeah. Yeah. You could

00:52:10.349 --> 00:52:12.530
see all that shit, the road warriors. And you're

00:52:12.530 --> 00:52:14.389
just like, this is great. Now I got to, you know,

00:52:14.409 --> 00:52:17.130
it was like a little bit of an escape, you know?

00:52:17.230 --> 00:52:20.070
Yeah. Okay. I can do real shit now. But yeah.

00:52:20.170 --> 00:52:23.010
So again, we just try, you know, definitely like

00:52:23.010 --> 00:52:27.210
to pay an homage to, you know, some of the joy

00:52:27.210 --> 00:52:30.809
that we had, you know, growing up. Yeah, I got

00:52:30.809 --> 00:52:33.809
a good chuckle out of a Corinthian leather face

00:52:33.809 --> 00:52:37.269
because that was a big thing in the 80s, the

00:52:37.269 --> 00:52:40.190
Ricardo Moltalban. Exactly, yeah, yeah, right,

00:52:40.309 --> 00:52:45.429
yeah. Yeah, and being that pretty much me and

00:52:45.429 --> 00:52:47.909
all of my family, we all have big ears, so we

00:52:47.909 --> 00:52:49.949
would rub each other's earlobes and say, ah,

00:52:50.030 --> 00:52:54.210
rich Corinthian leather. Yeah, right. I'm like,

00:52:54.349 --> 00:52:58.329
shit, it's got to be that. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,

00:52:58.429 --> 00:53:00.190
and then Doug just decides to throw the face

00:53:00.190 --> 00:53:04.449
on it. Fucking great, yeah. But yeah, Ricardo,

00:53:04.690 --> 00:53:06.289
yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he

00:53:06.289 --> 00:53:08.510
was, who was cooler than that guy when you were

00:53:08.510 --> 00:53:10.530
growing up? You know what I mean? There was a

00:53:10.530 --> 00:53:12.989
fucking, was it the Wrath of Khan? Yeah. He's

00:53:12.989 --> 00:53:15.170
like, you know, fucking judo chopping people

00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:19.010
and shit. Yeah, you're like, this dude's not

00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:21.030
fucking anyone up. He's just Ricardo Montemayor.

00:53:21.110 --> 00:53:23.449
I'm like, what's up? You know, doing his thing.

00:53:23.769 --> 00:53:27.260
Yeah, just cool in stature, so. Yeah. You know?

00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.780
Yeah. So again, yeah. Just homage to all that.

00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.659
Yeah. And that's great. You get it. So that makes

00:53:33.659 --> 00:53:39.239
this interview way more fun. Yeah. Thank you.

00:53:40.300 --> 00:53:45.380
Where should people go to pick up? Yeah. Yeah.

00:53:46.340 --> 00:53:50.920
So, so literally we're doing like a 10 % off

00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.300
sale right now, I believe. If you just go on

00:53:53.300 --> 00:53:59.300
our band camp. And then, yeah, or, you know,

00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:03.019
come out and see us. So the tour starts May 24th

00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:06.440
and it goes to June 27th. We're playing all over,

00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.619
you know, from the starts in Providence, you

00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:14.099
know, we'll be in Christ, California, Oregon,

00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:17.219
we'll be in Washington, we'll be in Richmond.

00:54:18.579 --> 00:54:21.960
Basically, you know, we'll be a month out there,

00:54:21.980 --> 00:54:25.320
a month and a few days playing. So, you know,

00:54:26.329 --> 00:54:28.070
Obviously, come out and see us, buy the album.

00:54:28.349 --> 00:54:31.329
But yeah, if you want to buy it and save a couple

00:54:31.329 --> 00:54:34.489
bucks, yeah, right now, if you just go on GoZooBand

00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:38.710
.Boston, hop on our band camp. We've already

00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:41.170
done a shit ton of pre -orders. It's crazy. Oh,

00:54:41.190 --> 00:54:45.110
cool. So yeah, or, you know, literally come out

00:54:45.110 --> 00:54:47.630
and see us play and we'll sell it right to you.

00:54:47.730 --> 00:54:50.750
So yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. So it comes out,

00:54:50.789 --> 00:54:54.030
yeah, the 15th, next Friday. And then, yeah.

00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:56.880
A little bit after, yeah, we'll be on the road.

00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.159
So, yeah, definitely pick it up if you dig it.

00:55:01.179 --> 00:55:03.960
Okay. And where should people go to keep up with

00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:08.380
the band? Instagram, I think, is probably the

00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:10.239
easiest. Also, we have a website. And, again,

00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:14.599
it's just GoZooBandBoston. Okay. Very easy. Yeah,

00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.179
everything is always on Instagram and such. And

00:55:17.179 --> 00:55:19.599
then our site, too, if you want to get a hold

00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:24.599
of us. Okay. Awesome. Uh, Mark, it's been a lot

00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.139
of fun talking to you. Thank you. This was great.

00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.920
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It was, uh, you know,

00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.960
you go into interviews and you're kind of hesitant,

00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:33.840
especially if you speak to someone for the first

00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:36.099
time, you don't know exactly what, you know,

00:55:36.099 --> 00:55:39.139
how you're going to interact with them, but this

00:55:39.139 --> 00:55:43.239
was fun. This was a lot of, so many things, like

00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.079
I said, that kind of crossover between the two

00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:49.360
of us. So it's awesome. Totally. Yeah. And that's

00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.059
the nice thing I think about people our age,

00:55:51.139 --> 00:55:53.920
you know, there's, there's a lot of life and

00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:55.780
there's a lot of music that has been listened

00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:57.760
to and still, you know, to be listened to. So

00:55:57.760 --> 00:55:59.739
thank you. This was great. I can't thank you

00:55:59.739 --> 00:56:03.780
enough for this. Yeah. Awesome. So nothing but

00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:06.639
luck, sir. And thank you. Just thanks. All right.

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