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I hope that some people get 00:03:57.669 --> 00:04:01.389 turned on to Radion by either checking them out 00:04:01.389 --> 00:04:05.030 in my Patreon or from this interview. it will 00:04:05.030 --> 00:04:08.770 give them the incentive to check the band out 00:04:08.770 --> 00:04:13.830 and if not only stream their music, but go out 00:04:13.830 --> 00:04:15.469 and actually buy the music. That's something 00:04:15.469 --> 00:04:19.129 that I think it's super important to talk to 00:04:19.129 --> 00:04:22.269 artists about and ensure that they're giving 00:04:22.269 --> 00:04:27.589 you links where you can support them best. There's 00:04:27.589 --> 00:04:31.629 a lot of different avenues and obviously some 00:04:31.629 --> 00:04:35.680 people work directly with The labels, sometimes 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.699 the labels are in charge of everything. But I 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:41.180 think it's important that, you know, these bands 00:04:41.180 --> 00:04:44.579 get compensated the most amount of money possible 00:04:44.579 --> 00:04:47.759 if that's an option for them, especially if it's 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.939 a smaller band. So, you know, when I interview 00:04:50.939 --> 00:04:53.259 these bands, I can't promise that 100 people 00:04:53.259 --> 00:04:55.639 are going to pick up the album or even there's 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.800 going to be 100 streams. But I hope that someone 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.000 that's listening to this checks the album out. 00:05:01.060 --> 00:05:04.069 Someone that's listening to this. picks the album 00:05:04.069 --> 00:05:07.910 up. And that's why I do this. I enjoy speaking 00:05:07.910 --> 00:05:12.310 to bands. And after such a long time where I 00:05:12.310 --> 00:05:14.949 just got sick of all the nonsense with setting 00:05:14.949 --> 00:05:17.910 up interviews and who I was able to interview 00:05:17.910 --> 00:05:20.550 and not, and now I'm just having fun doing it. 00:05:20.589 --> 00:05:22.649 So that's why I've been doing a lot more interviews. 00:05:22.829 --> 00:05:26.410 I do want to thank Dave over at Ear Split PR 00:05:26.410 --> 00:05:30.430 for helping set this interview up. And this is 00:05:30.430 --> 00:05:33.459 cool. This is all four members of the band. And 00:05:33.459 --> 00:05:35.500 I don't always get to interview more than one 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:39.600 member. And sometimes it's super chaotic. I've 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.779 been using super way too much during this intro, 00:05:42.899 --> 00:05:47.180 but you guys get the picture. Thank you so much 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:48.879 for listening. There's a million other things 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:50.500 you could be listening to or watching too, but 00:05:50.500 --> 00:05:53.240 you choose to be here. And that's awesome. Let's 00:05:53.240 --> 00:06:15.129 get on with it. Welcome everyone to the latest 00:06:15.129 --> 00:06:18.569 episode of Signals from Mars. I am joined by 00:06:18.569 --> 00:06:22.430 the Akron, Ohio band Radion, who is about to 00:06:22.430 --> 00:06:26.410 release the album Subterfuge. They're nice enough 00:06:26.410 --> 00:06:30.850 to wait for me to connect here tonight, so I 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:34.750 appreciate you guys definitely for spending a 00:06:34.750 --> 00:06:37.129 little bit extra time here, more than you should 00:06:37.129 --> 00:06:39.430 have to, but how are you guys doing tonight? 00:06:40.189 --> 00:06:43.410 Good, how are you? How are you doing? Good, good. 00:06:43.509 --> 00:06:46.610 Just came home from a crushing defeat in a basketball 00:06:46.610 --> 00:06:48.370 game, but that's fine. We'll live with that. 00:06:49.470 --> 00:06:54.750 It happens. Yes, unfortunately. But anyway, right 00:06:54.750 --> 00:06:57.569 off the bat, you guys are releasing this on your 00:06:57.569 --> 00:07:01.970 own label. What are the advantages of working 00:07:01.970 --> 00:07:05.629 with your own label as opposed to working with 00:07:05.629 --> 00:07:09.709 a big or even a small size label to release your 00:07:09.709 --> 00:07:13.430 album? Uh, I would say that there's advantages 00:07:13.430 --> 00:07:19.329 as much as there's disadvantages. Okay. Um, but 00:07:19.329 --> 00:07:23.550 it, it gives us more freedom, you know, to do 00:07:23.550 --> 00:07:27.269 whatever it is that we want, but that comes at 00:07:27.269 --> 00:07:30.149 our expense. So that's kind of a disadvantage, 00:07:30.410 --> 00:07:34.269 but you know, um, if you want it, you know, if 00:07:34.269 --> 00:07:36.550 you want it good enough or if you want it bad 00:07:36.550 --> 00:07:37.750 enough, you're going to make it happen. Right. 00:07:37.810 --> 00:07:41.279 You know? Sure. And I got to note, too, that 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.339 this specific release is actually a collaboration 00:07:44.339 --> 00:07:48.660 between our own label and Third House Communications, 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:52.000 which is a small indie label based out of Louisville, 00:07:52.100 --> 00:07:55.220 Kentucky. Okay. So it is kind of a collaboration 00:07:55.220 --> 00:08:00.100 with another small little label, you know. Okay. 00:08:00.339 --> 00:08:03.879 But it's a cool family, a cool community down 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.699 there, and they're really great people, and we're 00:08:06.699 --> 00:08:09.240 really grateful to be. part of that community. 00:08:09.420 --> 00:08:12.680 Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Because I've heard other bands 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:17.019 that are within the, you know, stoner or doom 00:08:17.019 --> 00:08:21.600 metal part of the hard rock and heavy metal world 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.839 that have ventured out on like bigger labels 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.920 and have come back to a smaller label feeling 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:32.519 that although it was great to be on a bigger 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.879 label, they just didn't serve the band the way 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:40.149 that they really wanted. the label to in the 00:08:40.149 --> 00:08:44.070 sense that they didn't get, I don't know if a 00:08:44.070 --> 00:08:47.009 boutique feel is the, is the right way of saying 00:08:47.009 --> 00:08:48.889 it, or maybe not even that, but somebody who 00:08:48.889 --> 00:08:52.289 knows exactly what the genre is about or what 00:08:52.289 --> 00:08:55.029 the sub genre is about, as opposed to just pumping 00:08:55.029 --> 00:08:58.429 artists out. Right. I mean, it's not like a, 00:08:58.470 --> 00:09:03.429 it's not like what we do is like a, a big ticket 00:09:03.429 --> 00:09:08.120 item, like, you know, metal core or, or or something 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:12.100 that's really huge right now i i i i think that's 00:09:12.100 --> 00:09:16.919 metalcore i i think like um uh bands that are 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.659 like really huge um what is that band where the 00:09:19.659 --> 00:09:22.480 dude's gonna do an mma fight while he performs 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.940 oh um slaughter slaughter to prevail yeah is 00:09:26.940 --> 00:09:31.259 that a metalcore band i i'm Yeah, deathcore, 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.179 that's even, you know, an even deeper subgenre 00:09:35.179 --> 00:09:38.860 there. We're so splintered within the metal community 00:09:38.860 --> 00:09:41.080 that there's a different core sprouting up every 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.299 day. Well, that appears, to my knowledge, that 00:09:45.299 --> 00:09:48.580 appears to be a hot ticket item right now is 00:09:48.580 --> 00:09:51.639 deathcore. You know, I recently purchased a new 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:53.919 vehicle and it came with a Sirius satellite. 00:09:54.669 --> 00:09:57.830 right free prescription subscription so i've 00:09:57.830 --> 00:10:00.850 been listening to liquid metal and that's all 00:10:00.850 --> 00:10:03.210 i hear is this stuff and i was like man these 00:10:03.210 --> 00:10:05.909 bands are solid but they all sound the same and 00:10:05.909 --> 00:10:08.389 then i was like well somebody probably says that 00:10:08.389 --> 00:10:13.110 about our genre too you know so yeah i i hear 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:16.029 you but they seem to be doing really well and 00:10:16.029 --> 00:10:19.009 it seems to be up a high ticket item at this 00:10:19.009 --> 00:10:22.490 day and age uh 25 26 the bands like that are 00:10:22.490 --> 00:10:25.529 are on fire man you know and good for them you 00:10:25.529 --> 00:10:27.830 know that's that i'm sure everybody puts in work 00:10:27.830 --> 00:10:30.889 so yeah yeah absolutely i think at the end of 00:10:30.889 --> 00:10:33.269 the day at least from my perspective you have 00:10:33.269 --> 00:10:35.710 to respect what other bands do and if that works 00:10:35.710 --> 00:10:38.070 for them then then so be it i mean you guys just 00:10:38.070 --> 00:10:39.970 have to keep doing what you feel is right for 00:10:39.970 --> 00:10:44.009 your band absolutely yeah Yeah. So you had a 00:10:44.009 --> 00:10:46.990 bunch of member changes between Discordian and 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:51.730 Subterfuge. How necessary was that for the band 00:10:51.730 --> 00:10:55.110 to move forward and how challenging was it to 00:10:55.110 --> 00:10:59.190 find the right pieces to move forward? It was 00:10:59.190 --> 00:11:03.250 essential for the band to move forward to where 00:11:03.250 --> 00:11:08.690 we're at now. And I'm going to let Derek answer 00:11:08.690 --> 00:11:13.169 the rest of that question for you. Well, essential 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:17.409 and the fact that, you know, some of the former 00:11:17.409 --> 00:11:19.830 members, we just couldn't do as much based off, 00:11:19.929 --> 00:11:22.330 you know, just life schedules and circumstances 00:11:22.330 --> 00:11:25.029 and stuff. So as far as like getting out there 00:11:25.029 --> 00:11:27.549 and doing more, finding the right people for 00:11:27.549 --> 00:11:31.029 that. But so that was essential. But for the 00:11:31.029 --> 00:11:35.389 sound to evolve, it became essential to find 00:11:35.389 --> 00:11:39.159 this group of people. And it's really loud. uh, 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:43.419 radian to expand on the original idea, you know, 00:11:43.419 --> 00:11:47.720 bringing in, um, fresh, uh, minds and just, and 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:51.259 different styles of playing. And, um, it's forced 00:11:51.259 --> 00:11:55.460 us to stay within the framework of what radian 00:11:55.460 --> 00:11:58.500 is, but also allow it to kind of expand on its 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:02.299 own. It's been a really kind of awesome journey. 00:12:03.419 --> 00:12:08.159 Yeah. On, on, on like some, some turbulence along 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.919 the way and you know we weren't sure what was 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:15.440 gonna happen and and it all just kind of came 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.820 out just beautiful okay and what do you feel 00:12:19.820 --> 00:12:22.279 the biggest impact that you guys have felt with 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:27.500 the inclusion of the two new members uh i mean 00:12:27.500 --> 00:12:31.120 probably like the like the vocals like corey 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:38.700 i mean he it you can't even compare the two people, 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:42.259 like the previous singer and the current singer. 00:12:42.539 --> 00:12:46.200 They're just two totally different things. You 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.580 know what I'm saying? And I don't want to say 00:12:48.580 --> 00:12:51.360 that like, you know, the other guy is not good 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.379 at this or not good at that. And Corey's not 00:12:53.379 --> 00:12:54.980 good at this and not good at that. That's not 00:12:54.980 --> 00:12:57.299 the case here. The case is that they're just 00:12:57.299 --> 00:13:01.279 two totally different things. And what Corey 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.940 brought to the table with us just seemed to really. 00:13:04.700 --> 00:13:08.679 really work and really vibe and mesh it very 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:12.200 well and help project us forward. You know, that's 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:16.299 my opinion on it, you know? Okay. Was there a 00:13:16.299 --> 00:13:19.240 moment when you were trying different people 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.100 out that all of a sudden just Corey just kind 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:25.019 of stood out to you? There was like an, Oh shit 00:13:25.019 --> 00:13:30.299 moment. This is, this is what we need. I mean, 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.570 yeah, yeah, for sure. I, Yes, I would say yes. 00:13:36.529 --> 00:13:39.990 And I would also say that, like, you know, Corey 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:45.129 and Derek have been doing bands previously. So 00:13:45.129 --> 00:13:49.370 when Derek recommended that we bring Corey into 00:13:49.370 --> 00:13:52.830 the mix, they had already been in bands, a few 00:13:52.830 --> 00:13:55.350 bands together and worked together, and he already 00:13:55.350 --> 00:14:00.120 knew, like, what he was capable of doing. Like, 00:14:00.139 --> 00:14:03.419 I didn't know Corey at the time. I just had to 00:14:03.419 --> 00:14:06.120 take, you know, Derek's word for it. And, you 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.919 know, I trust him, and I value his opinion. So 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.539 if he says this dude's going to work, then I 00:14:13.539 --> 00:14:16.740 just take that, you know, take his word for it. 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.539 I was 100 % confident that Corey was the guy. 00:14:19.779 --> 00:14:22.120 So it wasn't even a question in my mind. Like, 00:14:22.179 --> 00:14:24.399 oh, I got the guy. Perfect. I've been working 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:29.500 with him for years. He's... dedicated he's got 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:32.799 a good ear he's good at writing like yeah he's 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.159 good at singing it's just it wasn't even a question 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:41.120 in my mind and with and with carly with her coming 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.460 in i mean her it just kind of all just fell in 00:14:44.460 --> 00:14:48.559 place she was like kind of the last little um 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:53.320 piece of the tetris so to speak that kind of 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:56.120 connected everything you know and there were 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:58.730 other people that were you know trying to come 00:14:58.730 --> 00:15:02.210 and play bass in the band and she just she just 00:15:02.210 --> 00:15:04.470 did a great job like right off the rip so there 00:15:04.470 --> 00:15:07.690 wasn't and she was focused and you could tell 00:15:07.690 --> 00:15:10.409 that she was working on the stuff she she earned 00:15:10.409 --> 00:15:13.149 her position in in this band you know we didn't 00:15:13.149 --> 00:15:16.750 hand her anything we just said here's seven eight 00:15:16.750 --> 00:15:19.529 songs learn them and she did and she's doing 00:15:19.529 --> 00:15:22.330 great and yeah everything just fell right in 00:15:22.330 --> 00:15:26.919 in place Cool. And that's kind of a common theme 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.500 with a lot of bands that I've interviewed lately, 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:35.279 where the process of bringing new people in has 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.340 kind of been through either past bands or bands 00:15:38.340 --> 00:15:41.440 that people have toured with, where they've more 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.220 or less known what they were getting with that 00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:48.700 member. So it's interesting that, you know, because. 00:15:49.210 --> 00:15:51.149 At the end of the day, you're going to go out 00:15:51.149 --> 00:15:53.690 and tour with these people as well. You got to 00:15:53.690 --> 00:15:55.850 know what you're getting yourself into as opposed 00:15:55.850 --> 00:15:58.950 to just saying, you know, hey, let's load up 00:15:58.950 --> 00:16:02.009 in a van or whatever and just see what happens. 00:16:02.450 --> 00:16:04.730 You know, there's got to be some assurances, 00:16:04.870 --> 00:16:07.230 you know? Yeah. Well, and it's kind of like, 00:16:07.330 --> 00:16:10.690 you know, it's kind of like a job to some extent. 00:16:10.809 --> 00:16:14.389 Like if you're going to, you don't want to be 00:16:14.389 --> 00:16:19.840 a plumber applying for a drywall. So, you know, 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:24.539 so, so when we, when we entertain bringing someone 00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:27.240 in the band, it's your go -to would be someone 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.779 that you previously worked with in a band or 00:16:29.779 --> 00:16:31.419 something like that, because it worked and they 00:16:31.419 --> 00:16:33.679 know what's going on and they can kind of hit 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.039 the ground running. You don't have to, you know, 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.820 show them everything, you know what I'm saying? 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.059 So to speak, you know, I mean, we're willing 00:16:42.059 --> 00:16:44.639 to train, but to what extent, you know, type 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:48.559 of thing. Right, right. I got you. So there's 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:53.879 a story woven into Subterfuge. When did you guys 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.639 decide to work on what a lot of people would 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.480 consider a concept album? I'll let Corey. It 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.980 was kind of just, I mean, it was something I 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:07.099 was somewhat already working on, possibly for 00:17:07.099 --> 00:17:11.559 another project, because I had a dream one night 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.259 that kind of inspired it. And, you know, the 00:17:15.259 --> 00:17:18.779 band that I was considering applying it to just 00:17:18.779 --> 00:17:20.960 really wasn't that type of band. So I kind of 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:24.079 put it on the back burner as primitive as it 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:28.460 was at the time. But when I got the offer from 00:17:28.460 --> 00:17:33.420 these guys and I listened to the tracks, it really 00:17:33.420 --> 00:17:38.640 spoke to me in a more intricate way like that. 00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:41.380 That's something that deserves like a complex. 00:17:42.529 --> 00:17:45.430 story like that but also on the flip side like 00:17:45.430 --> 00:17:47.869 i've spent most of my life just writing about 00:17:47.869 --> 00:17:51.289 real life and just running out of ways to say 00:17:51.289 --> 00:17:55.849 i hate people and you know stuff like that so 00:17:55.849 --> 00:18:00.630 giving lending a concept to my lyrics really 00:18:00.630 --> 00:18:06.250 helped me discover more imagery and helped you 00:18:06.250 --> 00:18:09.880 know just really like push I mean, that's really 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.380 it there is having imagery to really describe 00:18:13.380 --> 00:18:17.859 and make it so you can almost touch it. And so 00:18:17.859 --> 00:18:20.519 I just kind of hit the gas pedal on that and 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.940 it just kind of fleshed itself out as I was writing 00:18:22.940 --> 00:18:26.039 it from like the loose concept that I already 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.819 had. Okay. Did the lyrics come before the actual 00:18:30.819 --> 00:18:33.960 music? Did you have that concept from that dream? 00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:36.839 Did you listen to the music and then have it 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.460 feed into what you were already writing? Or did 00:18:39.460 --> 00:18:42.299 you have that already separate from the music? 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:47.500 So I had zero lyrics. All I had was that skeleton 00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:51.420 of a story. And they had already had the tracks 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:56.680 recorded. All I needed was the vocals. So I immediately 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:01.299 just started writing and did some very intensive 00:19:01.299 --> 00:19:06.859 active listening. listen to what song sounded 00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:10.420 like certain plot points to the concept. And 00:19:10.420 --> 00:19:13.720 that's kind of just where I started. And, um, 00:19:13.940 --> 00:19:18.779 it just kind of unfolded from there. Um, and 00:19:18.779 --> 00:19:21.400 like I said, I, I started with one song and then 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.180 other ones started. Cause like the first song 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.299 I wrote was kind of in the middle of the concept, 00:19:27.339 --> 00:19:30.720 but it's because that first song, I heard this 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:34.480 part of the story. in that song itself and then 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.380 other songs started writing around that and then 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:43.640 it all just kind of came together okay how much 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.059 i mean you just mentioned that you've written 00:19:47.059 --> 00:19:50.019 about specific topics and in different types 00:19:50.019 --> 00:19:54.220 of ways but how much did 2026 or 2025 factor 00:19:54.220 --> 00:19:57.480 into this universe that you're creating with 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.500 these lyrics so I mean, at the end of the day, 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.099 it is just a story. Obviously there's influences 00:20:04.099 --> 00:20:08.799 from current events, but not limited to that. 00:20:08.900 --> 00:20:13.000 Obviously there's history and history and history 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:15.640 and history of civil unrest and all of that's 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:20.319 come into play as a, you know, as, as humankind 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.000 more than just like what's going on right now. 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:28.759 Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Um, there's, Obviously a 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:32.119 huge difference in the sound and what you guys 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:36.220 are doing on this album with comparison to what 00:20:36.220 --> 00:20:39.359 you guys have done in the past. How purposeful 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.259 was that when you were going into the album? 00:20:42.380 --> 00:20:45.980 Did you start writing already the material before 00:20:45.980 --> 00:20:48.319 you started working on the album? And then by 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.900 adding the members, you decided to take it to 00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:53.200 a different place, maybe to another level, or 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.880 was everything already kind of worked out? before 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.440 working on the album itself? Well, it goes so 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.299 many different ways with that, but a few of the 00:21:04.299 --> 00:21:10.059 songs are old. Like I wrote those songs like 00:21:10.059 --> 00:21:15.380 years ago. Okay. And then there's a few songs 00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:20.059 that Derek and I wrote together. So it's a little 00:21:20.059 --> 00:21:25.519 bit, it's a little bit. meshed up as far as the 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:30.799 material and when and where. But once we tracked 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.319 everything, as far as the music, it was pretty 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:38.759 set in stone. But then when Corey came in and 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.940 did what he did on top of it, it brought a whole 00:21:41.940 --> 00:21:45.480 new atmosphere to it. You know, it just immediately, 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.960 it just changed everything the way his delivery, 00:21:49.099 --> 00:21:50.980 you know, and I'm sure that Derek has a few things 00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:54.420 to say about this. this question as well okay 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:58.519 i think over time it's like you're you're creating 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:02.420 layers and uh so some of the old songs are those 00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:05.480 initial foundations of it and then you start 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:09.140 layering in new parts and new songs and then 00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:12.119 new members bring their take on it and i mean 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:16.319 the the bass tracks were written by a former 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:19.759 bass player of ours And then but they were tracked 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.299 by a different bass player who added his spin 00:22:22.299 --> 00:22:24.359 on it. And then, you know what I mean? So it's 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:27.200 like we're we're starting to layer in now. And 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.000 I think you can really feel that on the record. 00:22:30.299 --> 00:22:33.799 I think one big difference for me is and I don't 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.980 know if it was purposeful in the moment, but 00:22:36.980 --> 00:22:40.740 it started to become clear to me, at least that 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:46.660 the we wanted to kind of play with a little more. 00:22:48.690 --> 00:22:51.049 Restraint, I guess, let things breathe to the 00:22:51.049 --> 00:22:53.910 point where like the heaviness is kind of like 00:22:53.910 --> 00:22:56.430 sitting within itself. Whereas like the other 00:22:56.430 --> 00:22:58.549 records sort of do that, too. They dabble in 00:22:58.549 --> 00:23:02.589 that, but it's it's not fully expanded on. And 00:23:02.589 --> 00:23:05.349 there's a little more drive in a lot of those 00:23:05.349 --> 00:23:08.009 records, whereas here there's a lot of like there's 00:23:08.009 --> 00:23:09.970 more atmosphere kind of coming from underneath. 00:23:10.049 --> 00:23:12.990 And I think because of the layering, that's sort 00:23:12.990 --> 00:23:15.289 of started to just become natural and organic 00:23:15.289 --> 00:23:18.940 for the record. and it's really uh it let us 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:21.380 allow the record to be what it wants to be rather 00:23:21.380 --> 00:23:24.259 than us trying to make the record be what we 00:23:24.259 --> 00:23:26.539 want it to be and i think that was a cool approach 00:23:26.539 --> 00:23:30.099 yeah that we were actively trying to submit to 00:23:30.099 --> 00:23:33.259 the songs while working on these working on writing 00:23:33.259 --> 00:23:37.259 this stuff you know we were actively playing 00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:40.940 with restraint we were actively doing less we 00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:43.559 were and once again we're actively submitting 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.200 to the song whatever the song needed you know 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.279 what it called for yeah or what it called for 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.779 and it really gave the space for corey to put 00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:56.920 in some really like just awesome layering of 00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.819 the vocals and the vocal approach it gave him 00:23:59.819 --> 00:24:03.579 the space to do that you know um and bring all 00:24:03.579 --> 00:24:07.700 those ideas to the table okay the album also 00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:10.619 to me sonically sounds like it's at a different 00:24:10.619 --> 00:24:15.980 level from your previous releases Um, it sounds 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:19.559 like a big budget album almost in, in the sense 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.539 that it just sounds clear than what you've done 00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:27.980 before. And it just, I don't want to fumble with 00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:30.460 words here, but it just sounds like you guys 00:24:30.460 --> 00:24:33.059 have progressed quite a bit from the last album 00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:37.380 in that sense from a sonic sound point. Yeah. 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:40.539 And I, I feel that we, we did, um, Derek didn't 00:24:40.539 --> 00:24:43.720 play drums on the previous album and he played, 00:24:44.349 --> 00:24:48.309 on this album uh so i mean i think that's where 00:24:48.309 --> 00:24:51.670 uh the transition kind of i'm not saying anything 00:24:51.670 --> 00:24:54.529 negative about the old drummer or anything like 00:24:54.529 --> 00:24:56.549 that because i i think it worked great you know 00:24:56.549 --> 00:25:01.549 um but derek and i have this little thing i don't 00:25:01.549 --> 00:25:03.349 even know we never talked about it it's just 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:06.430 something that we just jive together you know 00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:11.190 and um and and that and the album that you speak 00:25:11.190 --> 00:25:15.119 of was recorded right Right behind us. The whole 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.380 record was recorded right here in this basement. 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.960 Okay. Which I recorded everything and then I 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.319 sent it out to Sanford in Chicago and he mixed 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:28.079 it and then it got mastered in Chicago, boiler 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.640 room and all that stuff. So yeah, I mean, I think 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.240 it turned out good too, but yeah, it wasn't a 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:38.440 huge budget deal. It was literally recorded right 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.619 here in this basement. Yeah. One of the benefits 00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:44.970 of, we had a lot of time cause we had member 00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:47.410 changes. And so we took our time. I mean, this 00:25:47.410 --> 00:25:50.369 record's been what, two years in the making at 00:25:50.369 --> 00:25:53.789 least. So having that kind of time for a record, 00:25:53.849 --> 00:25:57.829 you can really hone in on making it clear and 00:25:57.829 --> 00:26:01.970 mixing it down to the absolute pinpoint of every, 00:26:02.049 --> 00:26:05.170 you know, hit or note. And you know, that's not 00:26:05.170 --> 00:26:10.509 the case with every record. Okay. And I always 00:26:10.509 --> 00:26:14.940 ask this, to bands that self -produce their own 00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:20.259 music. How difficult is it to be objective with 00:26:20.259 --> 00:26:25.640 what you're recording, with knowing that you 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.319 want it to be a certain quality, but sometimes 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.599 there are bands that record their own music and 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.480 release it, and you kind of feel, you know, they 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.039 should have worked with somebody else because 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.109 there are certain songs that maybe just didn't 00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:45.430 fit the vibe of the rest of the album, or maybe 00:26:45.430 --> 00:26:48.670 it just didn't sound as good as previous albums. 00:26:49.390 --> 00:26:52.410 But again, I think with this album, it sounds 00:26:52.410 --> 00:26:55.089 great to me, but getting back to the production 00:26:55.089 --> 00:26:58.710 side of it, how hard is it for you to remain 00:26:58.710 --> 00:27:02.589 objective with your own music? It's not hard 00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:04.930 at all, really, because I think at the end of 00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:08.549 the day, personally speaking, I'm not trying 00:27:08.549 --> 00:27:11.670 to make music for the masses. I'm making music 00:27:11.670 --> 00:27:16.529 for myself. And if people love it, that's a huge 00:27:16.529 --> 00:27:20.970 bonus. But that's not the reason. That's not 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:23.950 why I make these records. That's not why we record 00:27:23.950 --> 00:27:27.329 this stuff. We're making this music for us. We're 00:27:27.329 --> 00:27:30.369 making music that we enjoy to hear and we enjoy 00:27:30.369 --> 00:27:35.890 playing. And I think that plays a huge role into 00:27:35.890 --> 00:27:38.690 it. You know, because we don't have to be so 00:27:38.690 --> 00:27:41.990 objective. You know, we can we can do whatever 00:27:41.990 --> 00:27:44.829 we want because we're we're releasing our own 00:27:44.829 --> 00:27:47.670 music. We're writing our own songs. We're going 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:50.970 to do it the way we want to do it. And as far 00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:53.490 as the production, it's kind of always been a 00:27:53.490 --> 00:27:56.250 thing since, you know, I don't ever claim this 00:27:56.250 --> 00:27:59.210 to be my band, you know, but I form the band, 00:27:59.329 --> 00:28:01.990 but I can't do it alone. So it's not my band. 00:28:02.069 --> 00:28:05.950 It's our band, you know, but. But it's always 00:28:05.950 --> 00:28:09.609 been a thing in my head is every time I do something, 00:28:09.730 --> 00:28:13.170 it's got to somewhat outdo the previous thing, 00:28:13.289 --> 00:28:16.549 whether it's the quality of the recording, the 00:28:16.549 --> 00:28:20.049 quality of the songwriting, whatever it may be. 00:28:20.269 --> 00:28:23.250 I don't want to go. I don't want to ever take 00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:25.710 any steps backwards. You know, I'm trying to 00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:29.230 I'm trying to step forward here. So everything's. 00:28:30.099 --> 00:28:33.160 There's just some sort of mindset that's, you 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.940 know, I got to kind of outdo the last thing we 00:28:37.940 --> 00:28:41.559 did, you know, or something to that extent, however 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.819 you would say, you know. Yeah. You're trying 00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:47.880 to outdo yourself, actually. You're not looking 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.160 to compete with anyone else. You're just trying 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:55.240 to do. get we're just trying to do what we do 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.660 to the best of our ability and we want to grow 00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.720 as artists and songwriters and musicians and 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.640 performers and everything like that so you know 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.720 perfect all right um being that you guys are 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:13.380 a band from ohio um Obviously, there are different 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:15.980 cities in Ohio. You guys are from Akron, which 00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:18.519 I mentioned before. There's Cleveland, there's 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.819 Cincinnati are the ones that most people would 00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:25.720 probably know. Is there a noticeable difference 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.420 throughout the state with the actual music scene? 00:29:29.539 --> 00:29:32.380 Is there different parts of the state that are 00:29:32.380 --> 00:29:34.880 more receptive to your music or is it pretty 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:43.200 much the same everywhere? Pretty much the same 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:49.140 everywhere, with exceptions. It seems like the 00:29:49.140 --> 00:29:53.099 further south we go, the better we do, especially 00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:58.700 in Appalachia, you know, Appalachian area. Yeah, 00:29:58.940 --> 00:30:01.759 it's just the further south we go, and that's 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:05.859 out of Ohio, but, you know, it's kind of hard 00:30:05.859 --> 00:30:10.960 to say. at our level, you know, we're still building 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:14.400 a, a fan base. We're still working into that. 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.200 So the, the majority of our shows are pretty 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.779 small and, you know, not well attended or whatnot, 00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:26.299 you know? So, I mean, I just is what it is, you 00:30:26.299 --> 00:30:29.019 know, we're, we're, we're working, we're working 00:30:29.019 --> 00:30:33.019 into building a fan base. So. playing in akron 00:30:33.019 --> 00:30:35.940 i mean i've been playing around here for 30 years 00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:38.640 almost you know almost 30 years not quite but 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.740 so there's people that'll come out regardless 00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:45.140 of what band i'm playing in and you know carly's 00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:47.859 been in a bunch of bands and people come out 00:30:47.859 --> 00:30:53.299 regardless of what band she's playing in um columbus 00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:56.400 is pretty cool city you know columbus is a very 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.269 supportive of underground metal that that community 00:31:00.269 --> 00:31:04.970 down there so people um actively go out and support 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:09.670 shows you know so other places are it just depends 00:31:09.670 --> 00:31:11.970 on who's on the bill and what day of the week 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:15.529 it is and where what venue and what you know 00:31:15.529 --> 00:31:23.079 you got akron cleveland youngstown columbus Cincinnati, 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:28.039 now Toledo also has a venue doing stuff. So, 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.039 I mean, that covers like the whole state. And 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.839 Ohio's a pretty big state, you know. So it's 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:40.660 a – we're in that threshold right now where it's 00:31:40.660 --> 00:31:43.640 really hard to say. I think no matter where we 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.440 play, though, and whatever, no matter what attendance 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.019 is, there's always – a good portion or percentage 00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:52.380 of people there that are with what we're doing 00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:58.819 and really enjoy our stage presence and our songwriting, 00:31:58.900 --> 00:32:01.839 especially we always get comments on, especially 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.019 from people who have heard the old stuff. We 00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:07.880 get a lot of high fives and handshakes over the 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.799 new material. So I think receptiveness wise, 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.819 we're doing pretty good. Okay. Yeah. And it was 00:32:15.819 --> 00:32:18.700 interesting that you brought up, uh the whole 00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:20.680 thing with Appalachia there are a lot of bands 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.400 that I've interviewed from the Midwest that talk 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.200 about how you know um Indiana isn't that far 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.400 off or Kentucky or whatever you know they're 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.559 with the bordering states that they're able to 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.720 tour even though maybe they don't tour within 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.180 their home state as much they're able to go down 00:32:37.180 --> 00:32:40.779 through certain spots of the states that they 00:32:40.779 --> 00:32:43.640 are able to tour and get a decent turnout so 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.880 that's kind of cool to hear that you guys even 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.539 outside of the state you guys are getting recognition 00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:52.420 and people are hearing you guys. And I mean, 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:54.619 I'm just saying the state, but hopefully people 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:58.019 are checking out, um, the singles that you guys 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:00.380 have released so far throughout the entire country 00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:02.859 and hopefully throughout the world. Yeah, that 00:33:02.859 --> 00:33:05.400 would be cool. I mean, we've, we've toured quite 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.519 a bit as a, as a band, like we've never journeyed 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.380 out West and stuff and there's still places that 00:33:11.380 --> 00:33:13.299 we haven't done, but you know, but we've done 00:33:13.299 --> 00:33:19.880 Appalachia quite a bit and, um, And I can honestly 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:25.480 say that we do better out of the state of Ohio 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.720 than we do in the state of Ohio. Our hometown, 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.180 it's like hit or miss, you know what I'm saying? 00:33:31.220 --> 00:33:34.099 But we know we can go to Atlanta and every time 00:33:34.099 --> 00:33:37.119 it's going to be killer, you know what I'm saying? 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.099 Versus up here, it's eh. You know, it's just 00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:43.759 hit or miss, you know, it depends on the venue, 00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:46.200 depends on the other bands on the bill. It depends 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.619 on all this stuff, you know, whether you can 00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:51.559 get people to come out of their house or not, 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:56.180 you know? Right. You guys are doing some shows 00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:59.539 around the time that this interview will come 00:33:59.539 --> 00:34:02.500 out. You guys are opening up some for some pretty 00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:06.319 well -known bands. Can you talk about that? Yeah. 00:34:07.099 --> 00:34:15.000 Thursday. This coming Thursday, the 12th of what 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:21.239 month? February. March. We're playing the 12th 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.300 at the Grog Shop in Cleveland with The Obsessed 00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:27.539 and some cool local bands, The Great Iron Snake. 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:33.940 Basically, it's Red Giant minus one dude. stoner 00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:36.179 rock ripping stoner rock band they're just they're 00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:38.760 good friends and and it's gonna be a good time 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.519 and uh so that's at the garage shop thursday 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.139 with the obsessed and then uh friday we play 00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:49.059 the cleveland agora with um acid bath midnight 00:34:49.059 --> 00:34:54.079 amigo the devil and nunslaughter and uh we've 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.019 we've really been looking forward to this show 00:34:56.019 --> 00:34:59.960 um it's gonna be it's gonna be quite a spectacle 00:34:59.960 --> 00:35:03.599 i'm sure I would, I would, one would just assume 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.780 a lineup like that is, and we're excluding ourselves, 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.599 like just looking at it, just from the outside, 00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:13.400 just those bands, you know, it's quite a, quite 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.519 a, quite a deal, you know? So. Good bill to be 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:25.460 on. Yeah. Cool. So where can people go to pick 00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:28.119 up subterfuge when it comes out and ensure that 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.539 the most amount of money gets back in the band's 00:35:31.539 --> 00:35:36.260 pockets? Band camp, our, our band camp or third 00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:40.800 house communications band camp. Okay. Everything, 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:43.719 everything comes straight from us or straight 00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:47.800 from Louisville. And that's, that's it. You know, 00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:49.780 we're still working out some distribution deals 00:35:49.780 --> 00:35:52.519 with some other. indie labels and stuff, but 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.719 that's not, you know, that's not solidified or 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.780 anything yet. So until something like that does 00:35:57.780 --> 00:36:02.539 occur, um, yeah, the, the, the, uh, Radian Akron 00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:05.000 band camp or the third house communications, 00:36:05.219 --> 00:36:09.420 either war. Okay, cool. And where should people 00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:12.980 go to keep up with the band? Our social media, 00:36:13.059 --> 00:36:17.260 like Instagram and Facebook, our, our primary 00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:20.369 platform is Instagram, but we're, we're, active 00:36:20.369 --> 00:36:26.150 on on both okay cool uh i do want to appreciate 00:36:26.150 --> 00:36:28.769 you guys uh for the time that you've spent with 00:36:28.769 --> 00:36:31.429 me today talking about the band and the album 00:36:31.429 --> 00:36:34.469 i do apologize again for making you guys wait 00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:38.010 but it's all good man thanks for having us yeah 00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:40.710 yeah thanks for your time man yeah i mean you're 00:36:40.710 --> 00:36:43.510 like what eight hours difference of time or six 00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:46.980 i don't know where in europe Yeah, I'm in Spain. 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.559 So with you guys switching the clocks, it's five 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.880 hours right now. Gotcha. Yeah. Beautiful Spain. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.880 Where at in Spain? Beautiful, rainy northern 00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:05.320 coast of Spain. Nice. Our weather is very similar 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:10.019 to like the UK and like the Pacific Northwest 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:15.900 in the States. Gotcha. It is rainy as hell. This 00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:19.840 year specifically, it has been very rainy. So 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:26.880 a lot of flooding and a lot of weather -related 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.519 issues. Leave it at that. Yeah, it's happening 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.500 everywhere, man. It's happening everywhere. Yeah, 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.019 my folks are back in New Jersey, and they're 00:37:35.019 --> 00:37:38.039 getting hammered with snow. So I'm sure all of 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:41.320 that's come through Ohio as well. Yeah, well, 00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:43.699 one day it's three feet of snow. The next day 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.420 it's 70 degrees. Then it's three feet of snow, 00:37:46.659 --> 00:37:52.119 you know. Yeah, we are. Yeah, we get, for example, 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.820 today it was supposed to rain all day. It poured 00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:59.820 rain in the morning. Sun came out, started getting 00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:02.539 hot, and then it started sleeting and pouring 00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:06.400 rain all afternoon. Oh, yeah, there you go. So 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.500 we get all that lovely stuff. Right on, man. 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.199 Well, we appreciate your time. Thanks for having 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.880 us and hope to catch up with you sometime sooner 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.960 than later. Absolutely. Thank you guys. All right. 00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:32.670 Later, man. Thank you. Bye. You can subscribe 00:38:32.670 --> 00:38:35.050 to the show on all your favorite podcast platforms 00:38:35.050 --> 00:38:38.849 like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, 00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:42.269 Amazon, and more. 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