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Let's get on with the episode. Welcome everyone
to the latest episode of Signals from Mars. I
am joined by, as he's anointed himself, Rock
God. It asked for a title. I'm like, I don't
even know what to put in there. I could have
went with Night Manager 7 -Eleven, but whatever.
Either one would have worked. I'm sure nobody
would have been mad. So, growing up in... Northern
New Jersey, I've always felt that there's a certain
attitude, swagger, work ethic from artists that
come from Philly, New York, Boston. It seems
like the Northeast just has something to it.
Being someone that's from Philly, do you feel
that that's appropriate or do you notice a difference
between the three? No, I would say that's appropriate.
You know, again, I think more of it has to do
with, you know, parental upbringing. You know,
my dad was just like a workaholic. Even when
he retired late in life, I think he was home
maybe a month. And he goes, I can't do this anymore.
So my family used to run like. a couple of different
unions in the Philadelphia, New Jersey, Delaware
area. And my dad, I think, he was out of work.
He retired. They gave him his watch, whatever.
And he literally went home and watched TV for
about two and a half, three weeks and went, I'm
coming back in, but only like three or four days
a week. He couldn't sit still. So I think that's
just... But, you know, those three cities, New
York, you know, yeah, there's Wall Street. But
I think for the most part, New York, Boston and
Philly was like it was just kind of a blue collar
work ethic. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm smiling
because my old man, exact same thing, and he's
now 82. I think he got to 78. uh and said yeah
i can't drive three hours every day anymore and
that's kind of what did him in but same same
deal he retired and a few days later called up
and said i gotta work three four days a week
so yeah it's it's you know and that's you know
i remember as a kid like you know at one point
my dad had a regular job in nine to five and
then he worked like three nights a week from
like five to whatever and then he had a job on
the weekend so my dad had like at one point had
three jobs right that he was you know and you
know that's what i was raised with and and and
trust me i'm just that type of person like you
know if you tell me like this year the dead daisies
are like hey we're taking a year off i'm like
okay I can either literally sit home and watch,
you know, for the next year, TV, but also give
myself liver damage and gain an extreme amount
of weight just sitting around doing nothing.
Right. Or I can put my time to good use and write
and record a new record and just go out and tour
and, you know, keep the torch burning. So I chose
the latter. Yeah, and that's funny because with
you telling that story as well, it really, to
me, seems like you've been able to extrapolate
that to your life. Because although maybe there
hasn't been a new album every year or something
like that, when's the last time you've actually
stopped from touring, playing with other bands,
guesting, doing this, doing that? You've always
been busy for the most part. Yeah. And it's like,
you know, look, and if I can be honest, you know,
I'm not I'm not this isn't like a newsflash,
but, you know, obviously I've had some really
great gigs in the past, you know, but unfortunately,
due to the circumstances I was dealt, you know,
I haven't really been a guy that's been able
to. Kind of rest on my laurels and rest on the
things that I've done in the past. So, like,
to a degree, I kind of have to work. You know
what I mean? Like, I've got, you know, I've gathered
some toys as I've gotten older. You know, my
wife and I are blessed. We own our home. You
know, but there's some, there's things, you know,
just. health insurance life insurance you know
i've got a couple motorcycles i have a motor
home i have a truck you know needs to be paid
for so it's like you know uh i i i'm not in a
position you know like uh you know whatever stephen
tyler nikki sexx or one of those guys that i
can go you know i'm gonna take a few years off
and just whatever i i i wasn't able to get myself
into that position. So part of it, I love doing
what I do, but part of it too is, you know, I
have to keep working if I want to pay, you know,
my phone bill, whatever it is, what it is. Gotcha.
Yeah. And that's funny too, because I remember
speaking to John Beauvoir years ago. He was in
the plasmatics. He co -wrote a bunch of stuff
with Kiss. He talked to me about what success
really means. And you're bringing up like Nikki
Sixx, Steven Tyler, where people think about
success from a monetary standpoint. But he talked
to me about being successful, writing stuff for
other people, producing stuff for other people.
And he kind of said, you know what, as an artist,
I'm cool with that. I don't need all these lavish
things to feel like I'm successful. Well, again,
success is in the eyes of the beholder. You know
what I mean? If you want to do a monetary thing,
you know, am I successful? Probably not. You
know, but on the flip side, I learned a very
valuable lesson in Motley Crue. And that was.
you know when i was in the band everybody wanted
to be your friend everybody was giving you free
guitars everybody wanted you to come to the playboy
mansion you know yada yada yada then vince comes
back and it's like your phone ain't ringing right
and you start to realize that it's really more
about counting the blessings that you do have
and i can sit here right now and tell you like
this is my This new record, New Day, is probably
my 19th record. I've had four or five different
record deals, all this other shit. But I know
people that are a million times more talented
than I am on guitar and vocals and as a songwriter.
But for some reason, their cards didn't line
up the same as mine. And they've never had a
record deal. Right. It's like, how do you want
to look at it? If you look at it monetarily,
there's only a handful of people that are like
Nicky and Steven Tyler and Mick Jagger and Robert
Plant. But there's a huge amount of people. For
every guy like me, there's probably 100 ,000
that are way more talented that could, for whatever
their reasons were, whether it was by choice
or luck. did not have the same opportunities
i have right and i had a friend of mine back
in california this friend of mine named al boyer
uh i was feeling a little down on my luck uh
for a minute and al said you know the beauty
of what you do for a living he goes as long as
you're being given the opportunity to do a record
There's always that chance, that one song, all
you need is one song to connect with the masses
and it's going to rewrite your entire life. Right.
So, you know, each record I go into, you know,
I look at it, I do my best, I work hard, I try
to do the best lyrics and shit that I can. But
you just stay positive and you go, you know what?
This is the one that's going to put me over the
top. And like he said, you only need one song
and your life is completely different. So I always
just kind of looked at that and I always try
to look at things in the most positive way possible.
Hence the title of the record. Hence the lyrics
of the title track. You know what I mean? It's
just about just getting up, working hard and
staying positive and moving forward. You know
what I mean? Yeah. One of the things that stood
out from New Day right away was how diverse it
is throughout the album. I mean, yeah, you could
sit there and say, oh, okay, you know, I get
this. This really connects with what you've done
in the past. You haven't tried to, like you said
before, live off your laurels. You're doing something
different here. Yeah, there's rock. But there's
other stuff in there. There's really some soul
mixed in there. There's some funk mixed in there.
And then there's like late 60s, like almost Creedence
type rock going on in one of the tracks, which
is, I mean, the whole album is that. It's an
album. It's like a different picture with each
track. Well, and that to me, you know, I love
that. I love, you know, even the nerdy, you know,
even though I'm a musician, you know, the nerdy
kid in me loves when I read that Led Zeppelin
said, you know what? We're not putting out any
singles. You accept the album as an album and
enjoy the album as an experience. Or, you know,
fuck it, move along. Buy somebody else's record.
They didn't give a shit. And the one thing that
I wanted to do is kind of go back to the stuff
that I grew up listening to. But the other thing
that really, you know, without sounding weird
or bitter or pissy, like, I hate the fact that
as soon as an artist or a band puts out a single
or an album, all the people at radio and the
suits, I call them the suits. They immediately
try to figure out what box it goes into. Is this
rock? Is it classic rock? Is it grunge rock?
Is it, you know, college rock? Like, it's like,
dude, stop with the fucking boxes. And like,
again, without sounding redundant, Sorry about
the length of my answers. But to me, the greatest
era of music is from when the Beatles did Rubber
Soul to 1980. Okay. That 15 years of music will
never be duplicated again. The amount of eclectic.
music that we had to listen to. Everything from,
you know, the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, but
then you had Zeppelin, Hendrix, Janis Joplin,
The Doors, Deep Purple, Yes, Jethro Tull, David
Bowie, Alice Cooper, Grand Funk. It was just
all over the place. And then you were just like,
hey, dude, what are you into? Music. You know
what I mean? Not now, it's like, oh, I'm into
grunge rock, or no, I'm into 80s rock, or, you
know, no, it was just, I like music. So I just
kind of wanted to get back into that. You know,
if somebody wants to try and categorize my record,
have at it. I'm not doing that. That, you know,
I'll let you guys try and figure that out. But
it's just like, I don't like the label thing.
And even too, there's been some people have come
in like, oh, there's... There's actually a couple
songs on your record that could be considered
country. And I go, okay. They're like, oh, see,
Nashville's rubbing off on you. I'm like, not
really. You know what I mean? And if you sit
there, for an example, I go, so Rolling Stones
didn't live in Nashville. Yeah, the Rolling Stones
in, you know. back in their day they wrote songs
like wild horses i'm waiting on a friend dead
flowers nowadays if we looked at music the way
then the way we look at it now those songs would
be considered country songs yeah and it's like
back then that's what i loved those bands had
the freedom to just be creative so I don't know
if I achieved that or not on this record. That's
what I wanted to do, like put the labels aside
and just write a great record. I personally feel
like we did it. You know, somebody else may disagree
with me. C 'est la vie. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Ultimately, I mean, music is either good
or bad. With all the labels and stuff, it's...
It's becoming more common, I'm noticing in interviews
where I talk to a band and say, well, you know,
what's the label that you hate that's most attached
to you? And they'll say, you know, well, I don't
like this or that. We're just a rock band. We're
just a this band, you know. And you just said
it. There's two labels in music. There's good
music and bad music. Yeah. And, you know, if
you don't like my music, then I guess I'm in
the bad music category. If you love my music,
then it's in the good music category. That's
how it should be to me. You know, so I'm all
about that label, good or bad. Yeah. Yeah. And
to your point, I mean, I grew up in an era where,
like you're saying, where you bought an album.
And the album was a journey. Each song, as I'm
saying with your album, each song was different.
It wasn't, well, we've got this one hit and we're
going to have a B version, C version, D version,
because we can just pump that out. So we're just
going to try to regurgitate that same hit we
had years ago. And again, that's why, like, listen,
there was really great music after 1980 as well.
Right. So I'm just saying, though, that's when
that whole formula thing started to come into
play. Yeah. And, you know, where bands like,
you know, I'm trying to think of one offhand,
but, you know, your Def Leppards or Bon Jovies
or, you know, all these guys that had massive
amounts of success. I'm sure they got shit when
they were like, oh, hey, we want to try and do.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. your your last
record did this you know let's let's just stick
with the formula that this works if it ain't
broken don't try and fix it and you know and
i'm not saying those bands fall into that category
but it was much more prevalent once once you
had bands that were selling a million five million
ten million records you know the label especially
they don't want you to get out of that This works.
Stay there. You know what I mean? And I'm just
not into that. Yeah, I hear you. There's two
tracks on the album that you had released previously
over the past few years. How much of this album
was written for the recording session and how
much was just riffs or lyrics or different ideas
that you had accumulated over the years? It was,
you know, there was ideas there that, you know,
I had worked with Marty on and we just kind of,
like, I started working on them. And, you know,
it's funny, during COVID, I told Marty I want
to do a record. And, you know, he's like, ah,
dude, you know, nobody's doing records anymore,
bro. They're doing the records, but this is how
they're doing it now. Like you, you put out a
single, finish one song, you put it out, let
it sit for a minute while you're working on the
rest of the record. And you just kind of release
singles. I gotta be honest with you though. I'm
not the most computer literate person. Right.
I can't even spell algorithm, let alone tell
you what the fuck it is. Right. So, you know,
and. like all these people are giving me advice
like oh dude you got when you put your song out
you need to hashtag all the bands that it sounds
like so it goes into there and i'm like a i don't
want to write anybody else's coattails and b
i i'm not understanding any of this so i had
started working on cassie bella your own worst
enemy and but then i was going don't understand
this so i kind of put the brakes on i just kept
writing and then i got offered to come back to
the daisies and i just jumped in with both feet
with that like we did a best of tour right when
i went back i was actually on tour with winger
and tom keifer myself doing acoustic shows and
then i jumped right into that and we toured for
the better part of a you know six eight months
and then we got into the studio and did light
them up and the blues record a couple years ago
and toured on that and so last year i got offered
by frontiers like hey do you want to do a record
and i was like yeah okay yeah i'll let these
guys figure out this whole algorithm hashtagging
like they they got they got people that do this
for a living right uh i'll just do the record
so marty and i just as soon as the daisy's tour
was finished um we kind of just got to work and
and i i would honestly say there was maybe only
three songs that i had that were kind of done
okay and that was cassie bella your own worst
enemy and love that'll never be and then the
rest marty and i just got to work on and started
writing and and putting putting together so majority
of the records kind of new okay yeah but i i
mean i've i've literally got probably another
40 or 50 ideas on my phone that marty and i haven't
even looked at yet so okay yeah cool yeah i was
going to ask how important marty was to the entire
You know what? Marty's I've always, I've known
Marty since I was in the screen. Okay. And I've
watched his growth from, you know, being a guy
in a band to realizing that, Oh, this pro tools
thing is it's gonna, um, this thing's going to
blow up and Marty, Marty got ahold of it. And
then he did the brother Kane record. and then
the brother kane led to him doing aerosmith and
then you know that led to whatever so i've watched
marty grow and then uh i suggested marty for
the daisies uh when we were doing the make some
noise record and marty for whatever reasons i
don't know if it's because we know each other
um marty and i ride motorcycles a lot together
um but he gets me he knows what i'm about he
knows when to push he knows when to let off and
i think he's from a writer's point of view he's
one of the most talented people i've ever met
on top of being a great producer so i just love
working with the dude and i hope that this is
something that because i i believe this is just
me rambling so i apologize no that's fine But
when you look at the old Aerosmith records, all
those classic records they did with Jack Douglas,
or you look at all the great records Queen did
with Roy Thomas Baker, or the Beatles with George
Martin. Like, to me, those guys were a part of
the unit. You know what I mean? They understood
how to make that unit work. That's the kind of
relationship I want with Marty. Like, I would
love to be able to sit here five records from
now and go, yeah, man, me and Marty, we're clicking
on all cylinders. You know what I mean? Have
it be that Bernie Toppin, Elton John relationship
that lasts 20 years. You know, so I just love
working with the guy. You know what I mean? I
think he's incredibly talented. And that's my
two cents and I'm sticking to it. Whatever. Yeah,
that's something that we've discussed on my show
with various bands, how they kind of hit a sweet
spot with a specific producer who just knows
what the band needs, knows when to cut them off,
knows when to reshape certain things in their
music, get the right sound so that you get timeless
music out of them. So I get exactly what you're
saying. And that's the thing. I mean, I think
if you listen to your album, you don't get the
feeling that whether it was Pro Tools or not,
whether you're playing to a click or not, it's
almost like the album could have come out today,
10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30. So it's timeless
music at the end of it. And that's all I've ever
really... wanted you know i mean i listen trust
me i've got some songs from my past that you
know i put on and i just sit there and go oh
my god dude what the was i thinking when i wrote
these lyrics they're just so caveman um you know
and we've all got we've all got a few of those
in our catalog but uh you know ultimately marty
just sat with me and he goes what do you want
to do and i and i told him i said i want to go
back to the 60s and 70s kind of a vibe and i
want to do a record where it's the whole record
is the statement not a song or two right uh you
know what i mean and he goes okay and i go no
categories, no boxes. And Marty understood exactly
what I was saying. And it was great because Marty
just went on tour with me as well, playing guitar
with me. And, you know, he just gave me a hug
and he's like, dude, we, we nailed it with this
record. And I'm like, that's awesome. I love
that. Yeah. That's, that's so cool. You've touched
upon, various other bands that you've been in
Motley Crue, Dead Daisies. You've had to step
into certain situations where other people would
probably cower from them. I mean, even with the
Dead Daisies, when you came back, you were coming
back for Glenn Hughes. You know, how fearless
do you have to be walking into some of these
situations to say, you know what? Fuck it. I'm
John Karabi. And this is me. You know, honestly,
I don't, you know. Yeah, I got to be honest with
you. When I went back to the Daisies, I was like,
oh, shit. Here we go again. You know, I hope
the fans, you know, appreciate what I bring to
the table. You know, again, I'm like. not even
not even taking into consideration that glenn
was filling in for me right i was more into the
oh great now i'm i'm filling in for glenn uh
are these fans going to accept it again uh you
know so there there's there's a bit of um insecurity
on my part about that kind of shit but um then
i had to kind of remind myself that wait hold
on a minute like i i was there i was there first
you know what i mean i did four or five records
so um but it it was a little tedious going back
you know what i mean i i i still worry about
you know what i mean whatever so um you know
but i i honestly have been offered other other
gigs as well like i got offered the rat gig um
Right after, I think I was still in Union. And
they're like, hey, dude, Stephen left. Do you
want to sing? Nope. No. And then somebody mentioned,
oh, man, you should try out for STP. I'm like,
nope. No. These singers are Scott Weiland, Stephen
Piercy, love them or hate them. whatever they're
they've got an iconic voice you know and i'm
no i don't want anything to do with it um even
the daisies my first go around it's like i didn't
know anything about john stevens their first
singer and then i started reading up on the guy
and i'm like wait this guy was in in excess you
know so i was a bit nervous about that too right
uh But they kind of worked it out where it's
like I didn't, I wasn't necessarily joining the
band. I went and I just did some shows with them
in Cuba. And I just got along with everybody
really well. So it kind of eased my nerves a
bit. And then they're like, hey, do you want
to do a record with us? And I was like, yeah,
okay, sure, whatever. I didn't think about it.
But, you know, it is a bit weird, man, stepping
into someone else's spotlight. You know what
I mean? Right. Regardless. And, and I'm sure
with what you're saying, some of the bands that
you chose not to join, the experience that you
had previous to that probably helped you out
with, with that type of a decision as well. Yeah.
I mean, it wasn't, listen, dude, like I, I, you
know, I've been saying it for 30 years. It was
like, I mean, I found out very quickly, the band
was like, Hey dude, you're the new singer it's
like awesome great which i i honestly hit me
like broadside because i wasn't expecting to
be the new lead singer for motley crew but i
i mean right out of the gate i started to realize
that the band was the only ones that really appreciated
me being involved i know their manager wasn't
happy The lawyers weren't happy. The accountant
wasn't happy. And the record label that just
gave them $25 million definitely wasn't happy
that I was involved. So I was swimming upstream
from like, I won't even say day one. I'll say
day three, day five. You know what I mean? Once
it got out that, oh, this is the guy that's going
to replace the other guy. And I'm like, fuck.
I didn't really like being in that position.
I like the position I'm in right now. I'm doing
a solo record and I get to write my own path.
And this is probably the first time in my entire
career where I've gotten to write my own path.
Whether it's even with the songs, normally when
you're in a band situation, There's always that
give and take you're married to the other three
guys in the band. So you're trying to keep everybody
happy, but get your point across, you know? So,
you know, you can come up with a finished song,
which I've done in the past. And then inevitably
the guitar player will come up and say, ah, man,
I don't really like soloing in the key of B flat.
Okay. Can we, can we change this part? Okay.
you know and then or the drummer's like i don't
really like that beat that you're doing i would
have done it like this okay so you're always
compromising and this was my first real even
though marty was as involved as he was he always
kind of prefaced everything with hey dude it's
your name on the record whatever you want to
do yeah so i'm kind of charting my own path right
now Really late in the game. Yeah, that's fine.
Last few questions here. There was so much talk.
I mean, it was in the dirt and everything that
for a split second, they had tried to have you
and Vince and Motley Crue at the same time. But
my question is, was there ever a shot of you
and Glenn being in Dead Daisies at the same time?
uh no um i left at the end of 2018 and uh it
took them a while to figure out who they were
who they were gonna get okay uh you know and
i kind of made my choice like i'm gonna i'm gonna
go do shows on my own and spend some time with
my family and you know uh and then covet hit
In early 20. So there was no real talk about
the two of us playing together. And it's got
nothing to do with me or Glenn. Like, I love
Glenn. I met Glenn when I was doing the Motley
record. He sang Misunderstood with me on the
Motley record. So I've known Glenn for a very,
very long time. He's always been great to me,
even when he was in the daisies and I was out
like we were texting each other via Instagram
and other other shit. And and then when I heard
the record, I congratulated him and he was like,
but and anytime I release a new song, he's like
thumbs up, gives it a heart, you know, and so
we're good. You know, it's just, you know, it's
never really, truly been discussed. You know
what I mean? Okay. Where should people go to
pick the album up and ensure that the most amount
of money gets back into your pockets? Well, that's
kind of a... You know, honestly, right now it's
pre -ordered. The album isn't even out yet. It
doesn't come out until April 24th. But they can
go to johnkarabi .com, and there's a thing there
where you can order the record. There's all these
little weird bundles, and they're doing CDs and
vinyl and all that shit, T -shirts, and, you
know, they can purchase stuff through there.
Okay. And, you know, it is what it is. It's,
you know. And there's record labels and different
things like that involved. So who knows about
if I'll ever see any money from it because none
of my other records I do. It's hilarious. Okay.
And where can people go to keep up with all things
John Karabi? Your website? Is there any social
media that they can follow you on? yeah there's
john karabi official on facebook john karabi
official on instagram unfortunately i haven't
convinced instagram and facebook that i need
the blue dot they keep telling me that i keep
writing in with my id and telling them that i'm
john karabi and for some reason they don't believe
it but they can also go to johnkarabi .com And
there's tour dates, videos, everything is there,
merch, everything. Awesome. Well, I want to thank
you so much for all your time today. And it's
been a lot of fun talking to you. Thank you,
buddy. And keep waving the flag, pal. Absolutely.
All right. Thank you. All right, buddy. Thank
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