WEBVTT 00:00:02.299 --> 00:00:04.259 All right, so it looks like it's still recording. 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:08.199 I'm recording just the audio just in case. I 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.080 hope that I don't have to release just an audio 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:13.640 interview. Yeah, because I put a hat on for this 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.440 interview, man. I was expecting video, you know. 00:00:16.899 --> 00:00:20.460 That would be pretty fucked up then. And then 00:00:20.460 --> 00:00:24.640 that happened. How'd the interview go? I don't 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:31.579 want to talk about it. I'm ready. Let's do it. 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.859 Quick reminder that in addition to hosting Signals 00:01:00.859 --> 00:01:03.359 from Mars, I've also worked behind the scenes 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.599 helping other podcasters. 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If you 00:02:20.110 --> 00:02:23.310 want to connect with a loyal rock and metal audience, 00:02:23.610 --> 00:02:26.770 head on over to the sponsorship page on signalsformars 00:02:26.770 --> 00:02:39.599 .com to learn more. Welcome, everybody. So the 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.680 beginning of the episode was a little different 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:47.240 than usual. Yeah, so thanks to some storms in 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:50.740 my neighborhood, my backup internet connection 00:02:50.740 --> 00:02:54.439 kicked in. And in the meantime, Ben and Nuno 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.520 from a Wilhelm scream were left staring at a 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.280 frozen image of me and them kind of going back 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.000 and forth trying to figure out what had taken 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:10.389 place. We were talking about, I thought it was 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:14.030 funny. Nuno mentioning that, you know, he wore 00:03:14.030 --> 00:03:18.110 a hat for the interview specifically. So it was, 00:03:18.129 --> 00:03:21.449 it was funny. I thought it to be funny anyway. 00:03:21.550 --> 00:03:25.530 So, yeah. So this is a little different for what 00:03:25.530 --> 00:03:29.389 I usually do on signals from ours, but I've always 00:03:29.389 --> 00:03:35.150 said this from the beginning that everyone likes 00:03:35.150 --> 00:03:38.659 what they like. All right. I'm a big fan. of 00:03:38.659 --> 00:03:43.900 Bad Religion, of Ramones, of Rancid, of all types 00:03:43.900 --> 00:03:48.979 of punk rock, which I think intertwines with 00:03:48.979 --> 00:03:52.719 metal in a lot of aspects. And on the band's 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:56.219 new album, Cheap Heat, that's a Wilhelm Screams 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:59.500 new album, Cheap Heat, you're going to hear all 00:03:59.500 --> 00:04:04.310 types of intertwining of... punk rock with metal 00:04:04.310 --> 00:04:07.289 in different aspects, different hardcore aspects 00:04:07.289 --> 00:04:11.590 as well. It makes for an easy listen. I'm going 00:04:11.590 --> 00:04:15.229 to say that during the interview. And I've said 00:04:15.229 --> 00:04:17.389 that a lot recently in interviews because there 00:04:17.389 --> 00:04:21.629 are albums that are being released that are less 00:04:21.629 --> 00:04:24.589 than 30 minutes long. And before you know it, 00:04:24.670 --> 00:04:29.110 the album picks back up again and you're listening 00:04:29.110 --> 00:04:31.689 to it again. It's like, wow, this, it's a really 00:04:31.689 --> 00:04:33.889 good album. You know, it's easy to listen to 00:04:33.889 --> 00:04:36.569 where it's like, eh, that's a skipper. That's 00:04:36.569 --> 00:04:42.009 a skipper. No. I think if you're into any of 00:04:42.009 --> 00:04:45.889 the bands that I mentioned, if you're going to 00:04:45.889 --> 00:04:49.589 go in with an open mind to try to discover this 00:04:49.589 --> 00:04:53.970 band, if you don't know them already, I think 00:04:53.970 --> 00:04:56.730 that it's easy to get sucked into this album. 00:04:56.889 --> 00:05:00.160 It's a really good album. This is a fun chat. 00:05:00.379 --> 00:05:03.680 It is a long chat. I want to thank Dave over 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.480 at Ear Split for helping set this interview up. 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.519 I do want to thank my patrons as well. 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So the first thing that caught 00:06:10.899 --> 00:06:14.100 my attention when I got the promo was, wait a 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.100 second, Cheap Heat. Is that a wrestling reference? 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:22.779 It is. Yeah. So I was reading the promo and I 00:06:22.779 --> 00:06:24.360 saw that later on. I'm like, all right, cool. 00:06:24.459 --> 00:06:27.399 So I can actually bring up some wrestling things 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.660 with you guys. You can. Trevor's really like 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:34.939 the guy when it comes to like wrestling stuff. 00:06:35.019 --> 00:06:38.310 Like he's always dropping like. wrestling terminology 00:06:38.310 --> 00:06:41.829 and stuff so yeah i i enjoy wrestling for sure 00:06:41.829 --> 00:06:44.790 but uh trev yeah trev's always the album title 00:06:44.790 --> 00:06:48.910 was trev's um idea and fits well great with the 00:06:48.910 --> 00:06:50.889 vibe of the record and all that even though there's 00:06:50.889 --> 00:06:52.930 no like wrestling specific songs or anything 00:06:52.930 --> 00:06:55.389 but he's always he's always listening to like 00:06:55.389 --> 00:06:57.589 behind the scenes podcasts like on his phone 00:06:57.589 --> 00:06:59.610 on just speaker when he's like taking a shower 00:06:59.610 --> 00:07:02.910 or anything he's he's always uh in on the wrestling 00:07:02.910 --> 00:07:07.389 tip for sure well they're they're is a reference 00:07:07.389 --> 00:07:10.430 to uh a stone cold stunner in one of the songs 00:07:10.430 --> 00:07:13.790 though isn't there there is good you're good 00:07:13.790 --> 00:07:16.689 you're good oh man that might be do you think 00:07:16.689 --> 00:07:18.329 you know you think that's the only there might 00:07:18.329 --> 00:07:20.029 be a couple more now that i think of it well 00:07:20.029 --> 00:07:23.269 you know what it's funny because in both cases 00:07:23.269 --> 00:07:27.089 like with the like cheap heat right like like 00:07:27.089 --> 00:07:29.610 that sounds cool like if you know nothing about 00:07:29.610 --> 00:07:33.019 you know kayfabe or any of these like strange 00:07:33.019 --> 00:07:36.639 kind of industry terms that like cheap heat sounds 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:39.879 pretty badass you know what i mean and uh so 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.240 it kind of had like a double double it worked 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.899 both in a couple different ways um and then with 00:07:44.899 --> 00:07:50.279 the stone cold stunner line like it it's not 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.579 really like about you know the finishing move 00:07:53.579 --> 00:07:56.620 it's like oh when you got like you know when 00:07:56.620 --> 00:07:58.930 you got like your girl next to you You know what 00:07:58.930 --> 00:08:00.990 I mean? She's like, she's a stone cold stunner. 00:08:01.029 --> 00:08:03.189 You know what I mean? Like she's a stunner. And 00:08:03.189 --> 00:08:06.029 so it kind of, it's great because you picked 00:08:06.029 --> 00:08:10.069 up on the wrestling move term. And then thematically 00:08:10.069 --> 00:08:12.750 in that line, it's like, you know, with my stone 00:08:12.750 --> 00:08:15.730 cold stunner next to me, like, so he's talking 00:08:15.730 --> 00:08:17.649 about his partner, you know what I mean? Or, 00:08:17.649 --> 00:08:20.430 or I mean, whoever's, you know, whoever's listening 00:08:20.430 --> 00:08:21.970 to the song and put themselves into it, but, 00:08:22.009 --> 00:08:25.189 but yeah, that was, that's, that's pretty, pretty 00:08:25.189 --> 00:08:30.180 clutchy to pick up on both of those. Yeah. Favorite 00:08:30.180 --> 00:08:35.299 wrestlers for each of you? Oh, gosh. And I'm 00:08:35.299 --> 00:08:37.759 only asking this because a 13 -year -old asked 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:39.740 me the other day, who's your favorite wrestler? 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.039 I'm like, now or all time? Same thing. Yeah, 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:47.340 all time or right now. Like, that's tough. I 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:50.559 was raised in the 80s, so I grew up on a lot 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:55.220 of WWF. Then, like, most kids, when they hit 00:08:55.220 --> 00:08:58.070 a certain age, moved on to other things. Got 00:08:58.070 --> 00:09:02.669 back into it with the, you know, WCW reemergence 00:09:02.669 --> 00:09:06.889 kind of rebirth in like the mid to late 90s. 00:09:06.889 --> 00:09:09.769 Right. So I'm going to give you one from the 00:09:09.769 --> 00:09:13.929 80s and then one from kind of my newer guys, 00:09:14.029 --> 00:09:17.350 which is still 20 plus years ago. OG favorite 00:09:17.350 --> 00:09:23.929 wrestler. I'm going to go. Gosh, this is tough, 00:09:24.190 --> 00:09:30.299 dude. This is tough. OG favorite wrestler. Iron 00:09:30.299 --> 00:09:35.320 Sheik, maybe I liked I liked heels a lot. Iron 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.799 Sheik was just so hateable, like as a child, 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.340 like it was just perfect. It just it like it 00:09:41.340 --> 00:09:43.440 just made sense. You know what I mean? So he 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.379 wasn't my favorite because I thought he was cool. 00:09:45.500 --> 00:09:47.480 I thought he was awful. And that's what made 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.440 him so great, you know. And then when I got into 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.840 WCW, they brought in a lot of luchadors. So I 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.779 was really into the high flyers. And Ray Mysterio 00:09:57.779 --> 00:10:00.500 to me was like, he laid a lot of the groundwork. 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.360 Him and La Parca was great. And obviously Guerrero 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.279 was great. But Ray Mysterio Jr. was like my guy 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.580 in the 90s. So there you go. Iron Sheik, Ray 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:15.500 Mysterio Jr. Okay. I remember. Oh, I'm sorry. 00:10:15.620 --> 00:10:17.700 Go ahead. No, no, no, no. I was just going to 00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:20.600 ask you if you had a favorite. Yeah. Well, it's 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.899 funny. I mean, I think, you know, Nuno. went 00:10:22.899 --> 00:10:25.059 deeper into wrestling as a kid i remember though 00:10:25.059 --> 00:10:28.440 i went to a match at the cow palace in sf and 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.000 i remember sting was my favorite and i it was 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.639 as i was getting into like death metal and stuff 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.759 so i think i just liked that he looked like one 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.500 of these norwegian black metal bands yeah yeah 00:10:38.500 --> 00:10:40.500 didn't always though he used to be a glam band 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:44.700 guy yeah true i remember for og wcw with a bleach 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:51.039 blonde hair and stuff yeah but the colorful And 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.299 then the crow guy starts dropping down from the 00:10:53.299 --> 00:10:55.440 rafters with a baseball bat. And I was like, 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:57.179 yo, Ben, I'm with you, dude. That was actually 00:10:57.179 --> 00:11:00.039 pretty, really badass. I kind of, I kind of slipped 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.620 up. Sting was great. It was a great finishing 00:11:02.620 --> 00:11:05.379 move too. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you mentioned 00:11:05.379 --> 00:11:07.580 Iron Sheik too, because it just reminded me like 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:09.440 my introduction to Iron Sheik in the nineties 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.120 and stuff was on the Howard Stern show. It's 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.600 him on Stern all the time. He made me laugh so 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.559 hard. So I liked him even better. Yeah. He's, 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.230 he's exceptional. yeah he was he was great all 00:11:20.230 --> 00:11:22.490 the all the way up to the end i mean he was um 00:11:22.490 --> 00:11:26.649 unfortunately had a lot of uh substance issues 00:11:26.649 --> 00:11:31.110 but i mean he was a trip to read on social media 00:11:31.110 --> 00:11:34.289 and and all the stuff on stern was oh my god 00:11:34.289 --> 00:11:37.950 yeah he was he was he was a delight bro yeah 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:41.289 a lot of a lot of parallels between touring bands 00:11:41.289 --> 00:11:43.429 and wrestlers i mean watching all the dark side 00:11:43.429 --> 00:11:46.090 of the ring stuff it's like boy a lot you know 00:11:46.090 --> 00:11:49.169 so adjacent to like the 80s glam metal and thrash 00:11:49.169 --> 00:11:50.809 metal and all the stories from that it's just 00:11:50.809 --> 00:11:53.029 yeah you get it's extreme lifestyle so you get 00:11:53.029 --> 00:11:55.429 wrapped up in the dark yeah yeah that's that's 00:11:55.429 --> 00:11:58.710 a good way to put it it's uh a lot of that behind 00:11:58.710 --> 00:12:01.330 the ring stuff and they just did the um into 00:12:01.330 --> 00:12:03.389 the void which is done by the same people as 00:12:03.389 --> 00:12:07.100 well Which is really some dark shit, though, 00:12:07.139 --> 00:12:10.740 man. Yeah, yeah. You had to touch on what Ben 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:13.399 said earlier. Like, you know, these guys, there 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.559 are a lot of parallels between like our world 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.899 and theirs in regards to not only the entertainment 00:12:17.899 --> 00:12:22.039 side of it, but like just the day in, day out 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.580 of it. You know, like, you know, certain guys 00:12:24.580 --> 00:12:27.899 get sick on the road. Guys get hurt on the road. 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:29.860 You know, we're not getting body slammed or nothing, 00:12:29.940 --> 00:12:34.580 but, you know, shit happens. So like when you 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:37.700 get to see like the extremes those guys go through, 00:12:37.779 --> 00:12:39.759 you're like, holy smokes. You know what I mean? 00:12:39.779 --> 00:12:44.440 All that for, you know, a place in kind of a 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:46.940 niche entertainment world. I guess not really 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:49.460 niche. It's huge. But multi -billion dollar corporation. 00:12:49.659 --> 00:12:51.600 What am I talking about? You know what I mean? 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:53.940 Like, you know, it's not like it's not like you're 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:55.720 coming home and your family's talking about who 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.679 won, you know, what belt last weekend. You know, 00:12:58.700 --> 00:13:01.059 you're talking about whatever politics and what's 00:13:01.059 --> 00:13:03.399 for dinner and whatever else. But those guys 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.519 are in there day in, day out, just abusing themselves. 00:13:05.659 --> 00:13:08.580 And, you know, like you said, like a lot of those 00:13:08.580 --> 00:13:11.080 guys have substance abuse problems because, you 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:12.519 know, probably because they're just dealing with 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.700 injuries and time down and, you know, messed 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:17.539 up relationships from being on the road forever, 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:20.059 you know? It's a tough way to make a living. 00:13:20.740 --> 00:13:23.580 At least with a band, you got all your boys with 00:13:23.580 --> 00:13:27.080 you or whoever on tour with you. wrestling it's 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:28.919 i feel like more like comedy maybe where it's 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:30.500 just like you're alone a lot you know you're 00:13:30.500 --> 00:13:33.519 probably alone in a hotel room yeah right right 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.740 yeah yeah and i guess it all depends too because 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:39.580 you're saying you know a lot of the bigger companies 00:13:39.580 --> 00:13:42.519 they're multi -million multi -million dollar 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:44.139 companies they're making a lot of money from 00:13:44.139 --> 00:13:45.919 merch and this and that but there are a lot of 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:49.820 indie promotions out there that's similar to 00:13:49.820 --> 00:13:52.950 metal Absolutely. You know, one of our good friends, 00:13:53.029 --> 00:13:56.529 Ted, you know, from New Bedford is was, you know, 00:13:56.529 --> 00:13:59.110 he just just retired, but he was a wrestler for 00:13:59.110 --> 00:14:01.149 years and years. And he set up promotions and 00:14:01.149 --> 00:14:04.049 did everything he could to bring wrestling, you 00:14:04.049 --> 00:14:07.190 know, make wrestling accessible to people in 00:14:07.190 --> 00:14:09.470 our city who maybe can't afford a ticket to go 00:14:09.470 --> 00:14:11.789 to Boston or Providence to see a match, you know, 00:14:11.809 --> 00:14:14.190 or Connecticut or whatever. So, yeah. And those 00:14:14.190 --> 00:14:16.289 regional things are still popping off, man, like. 00:14:16.889 --> 00:14:18.389 You know, you get guys coming down to his toy 00:14:18.389 --> 00:14:20.389 shop, to Gojo's toy shop, like who are still 00:14:20.389 --> 00:14:22.490 wrestling now and doing autograph sessions and 00:14:22.490 --> 00:14:25.769 stuff like that. So it is very much kind of still 00:14:25.769 --> 00:14:29.909 has roots in kind of a DIY vibe. You know what 00:14:29.909 --> 00:14:32.990 I mean? You can still pop off locally like a 00:14:32.990 --> 00:14:35.769 show would. You know what I mean? Yeah. Backyard 00:14:35.769 --> 00:14:38.190 wrestling. Even Fest in Florida does wrestling 00:14:38.190 --> 00:14:40.970 with punks. It's a match made in heaven kind 00:14:40.970 --> 00:14:44.450 of. Yeah, I think so. I'm starting to actually 00:14:44.450 --> 00:14:48.429 see it here where I live. where they're starting 00:14:48.429 --> 00:14:51.549 up like small promotions and they actually have 00:14:51.549 --> 00:14:53.929 bands play like intermission and stuff like that. 00:14:54.110 --> 00:14:58.169 So it's, it's pretty neat. How about like when 00:14:58.169 --> 00:15:00.250 Haywire was doing that wrestling shit, they like 00:15:00.250 --> 00:15:02.710 immediately blow up. Like, I mean, it's, I mean, 00:15:02.730 --> 00:15:05.190 it's undeniable. There's, there's some fun connection 00:15:05.190 --> 00:15:08.470 between, you know, loud, fast music and, and, 00:15:08.470 --> 00:15:13.049 and, you know, that kind of stuff. Totally. Absolutely. 00:15:13.669 --> 00:15:17.389 So. It's funny because I've talked to a few different 00:15:17.389 --> 00:15:23.830 bands recently who have corrected me as far as 00:15:23.830 --> 00:15:30.950 what they're categorized at. So when I heard 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:36.570 Cheap Heat, and you read stuff online, you read 00:15:36.570 --> 00:15:39.289 how marketing people want to put bands in different 00:15:39.289 --> 00:15:42.129 boxes and whatnot. And the first thing that came 00:15:42.129 --> 00:15:45.889 to mind was, A lot of what's been said to me 00:15:45.889 --> 00:15:48.129 recently, you know, hey, we're not just a doom 00:15:48.129 --> 00:15:50.990 metal band. We're not just a stoner band. We 00:15:50.990 --> 00:15:53.529 are a heavy metal band. We are a rock band. We 00:15:53.529 --> 00:15:57.990 are this. We are that. What's the weirdest thing 00:15:57.990 --> 00:16:00.710 that's been attached to you guys where you guys 00:16:00.710 --> 00:16:08.110 have said, what? I don't know. Most of the write 00:16:08.110 --> 00:16:10.309 -ups over the years have either classified us 00:16:10.309 --> 00:16:13.610 as like a skate punk band or a melodic hardcore 00:16:13.610 --> 00:16:17.789 band or melodic punk band. And I'm like, yeah, 00:16:17.809 --> 00:16:20.509 dude, like we have songs that hit every genre 00:16:20.509 --> 00:16:22.090 there. You know, people are like, oh, they're 00:16:22.090 --> 00:16:24.350 kind of like a metal punk band. I'm like, yeah, 00:16:24.389 --> 00:16:26.049 we're that too sometimes. You know what I mean? 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:29.629 Like, but as far as like the weirdest classification, 00:16:30.269 --> 00:16:38.679 I don't know, like emo maybe? oh emo means something 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:40.659 different now than it did back like you know 00:16:40.659 --> 00:16:43.399 what i mean like you know emk is not in our band 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:44.960 so like i don't know what they're talking about 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:47.600 but uh i don't know have we ever been called 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.740 emo maybe i'm making that up i don't know but 00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:52.279 i mean there's like a couple tracks on ruiner 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.240 that could kind of fall under that category almost 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:58.600 you know like no way maybe not that soft but 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.460 yeah i mean yeah you know all of us love that 00:17:01.460 --> 00:17:03.679 kind of stuff early emo and indie and stuff but 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.839 i don't know yeah i haven't heard any any descriptions 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:09.180 too wild you know when people sometimes people 00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:11.660 say oh they're a hardcore band or they're a pop 00:17:11.660 --> 00:17:13.460 punk band and i'm like that's interesting like 00:17:13.460 --> 00:17:15.539 i wouldn't call it that but then again i don't 00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:18.460 really have a proper phrase to call it like yeah 00:17:18.460 --> 00:17:21.640 yeah that's all i feel too i'm like yeah ultimately 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:24.220 it's a punk band but you know i don't know yeah 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:29.160 okay and i grew up in new jersey so i always 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.480 i've always felt that bands that are from the 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:35.440 northeast from jersey on up the coast I've always 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.279 had a certain type of attitude, swagger, aggression 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:43.799 to them, where I think it kind of has a lot to 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.940 do with how fast paced life is in the Northeast. 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.460 Listening to your music, listening to Cheap Heat 00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:55.019 specifically, I get that from you guys. You know, 00:17:55.059 --> 00:17:57.920 I definitely would not peg you guys from any 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.700 other part of the country. Do you think that's 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:05.740 fair? Yeah, I think that's fair. we even we even 00:18:05.740 --> 00:18:08.440 go one step further and drop like street names 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:11.940 from like that nobody outside of some people 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:14.119 not even in the city would would not catch the 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.839 reference about some far north end street that 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:18.519 gets dropped in a lyric you know what i mean 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:23.140 um but yeah we've always thought like and i'm 00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:25.039 like like i like what you said there like being 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.519 from new jersey you saw you know a lot of bands 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:31.980 and i feel like those bands not only kind of 00:18:31.980 --> 00:18:37.289 um use or kind of metamorphosize that pace of 00:18:37.289 --> 00:18:39.769 life and like kind of the gritty cold attitude 00:18:39.769 --> 00:18:44.390 sometime um and use that in their music uh but 00:18:44.390 --> 00:18:46.609 i also think that kind of the edge that comes 00:18:46.609 --> 00:18:48.450 from a lot of bands out here in the northeast 00:18:48.450 --> 00:18:51.150 or whatever it's just that it's hard it's hard 00:18:51.150 --> 00:18:53.849 to make it so if you've made it to a certain 00:18:53.849 --> 00:18:56.670 level you've already busted your ass like playing 00:18:56.670 --> 00:18:59.769 shitty shows driving overnight for sometimes 00:18:59.769 --> 00:19:01.809 for years before you can get in front of like 00:19:02.380 --> 00:19:04.720 a nice crowd in the city or something like that. 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:06.819 You know what I mean? Right. So I think, I think 00:19:06.819 --> 00:19:09.559 that, uh, I think we definitely channel a lot 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:14.240 of like our region into our music. Um, but like 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.160 our region kind of shaped us too. You know what 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.460 I mean? Um, like you, like you were saying, you 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:21.599 know what I mean? The pace of life or sometimes 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.460 just being locked in the house for like three 00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:25.240 months. Cause it's freezing cold outside. You 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.400 just in the basement jamming, writing tunes. 00:19:27.500 --> 00:19:30.789 You know what I mean? So. So, yeah. And I mean, 00:19:30.789 --> 00:19:32.670 being from Jersey, you know, there's I mean, 00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:34.369 all the great East Coast bands are from Jersey, 00:19:34.390 --> 00:19:36.150 even if they say they're from New York, they're 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:38.710 from Jersey, man. Like, so, you know what I mean? 00:19:38.730 --> 00:19:41.710 It's it's really something. And we're really 00:19:41.710 --> 00:19:43.670 happy to be a part of that, like kind of northeast 00:19:43.670 --> 00:19:47.710 kind of, you know, community of musicians. We 00:19:47.710 --> 00:19:51.589 take a lot of pride in that, you know. Yeah. 00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:53.809 Ben's from Ben's from the opposite coast. You 00:19:53.809 --> 00:19:55.950 know what I mean? But like their music is hard 00:19:55.950 --> 00:19:58.190 as hell, too. You know what I mean? Like. the 00:19:58.190 --> 00:20:00.109 hardcore scene out in california has always been 00:20:00.109 --> 00:20:02.710 popping and like sometimes i remember being an 00:20:02.710 --> 00:20:04.329 east coast kid growing up like what are these 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:06.450 guys so how are they mad like they don't have 00:20:06.450 --> 00:20:08.750 to ride the subway dude they don't have to like 00:20:08.750 --> 00:20:11.349 step in piss puddles it's los angeles man like 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:13.750 it's sunny you know but i mean it just goes to 00:20:13.750 --> 00:20:17.109 show you you know like um things regardless of 00:20:17.109 --> 00:20:21.210 of your situation regionally can still be the 00:20:21.210 --> 00:20:22.950 same you know what i mean like we're still picking 00:20:22.950 --> 00:20:26.640 up on the same vibes you know uh similar undercurrents 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:28.819 or whatever you know in the scene or in society 00:20:28.819 --> 00:20:33.480 yeah yeah it was cool coming it coming into the 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.140 fold in 2023 i've known these guys for 20 years 00:20:36.140 --> 00:20:39.119 but being the california kid joining the band 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:42.779 it's like you know it really is all the down 00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:46.019 to the slang and you know how nuno and trev pronounce 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:48.119 their r's and their lyrics you know what i mean 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.700 and and everything it's just who they are you 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:53.589 know what i mean they're new bedford guys you 00:20:53.589 --> 00:20:56.450 know what i mean and it's it's completely it's 00:20:56.450 --> 00:20:58.250 it's funny because with anything i guess with 00:20:58.250 --> 00:21:02.230 hip -hop with 90s punk with 2000s metal and hardcore 00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:04.589 anything there's always like a defined difference 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:06.809 in the coast and i think it is totally what you 00:21:06.809 --> 00:21:08.710 said you know like it's the conditions it's the 00:21:08.710 --> 00:21:11.609 lifestyle it's you know all these things and 00:21:11.609 --> 00:21:13.430 it's usually a little grittier like you know 00:21:13.430 --> 00:21:16.390 even like the boom bap stuff versus the g funk 00:21:16.390 --> 00:21:18.470 stuff and like sure it's just like there's a 00:21:18.470 --> 00:21:20.269 light there's a lightness out here not to say 00:21:20.269 --> 00:21:22.829 that there's there's not hard cold as ice bands, 00:21:22.950 --> 00:21:25.910 but Wilhelm's always been unique to me in that 00:21:25.910 --> 00:21:28.069 sense. And it's like, it was a style heavily 00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:29.869 influenced by a lot of the West coast stuff. 00:21:29.890 --> 00:21:31.809 Well, obviously a ton of East coast stuff, but 00:21:31.809 --> 00:21:35.289 in terms of West coast stuff, but it can't, they 00:21:35.289 --> 00:21:37.930 inevitably will have their own flair, you know, 00:21:37.950 --> 00:21:41.470 their own, their own style and swag. And I like 00:21:41.470 --> 00:21:42.930 that a lot about the new record too, is they 00:21:42.930 --> 00:21:45.450 put that on front street, like completely. Okay. 00:21:45.710 --> 00:21:48.029 Yeah. I was actually going to ask how much new 00:21:48.029 --> 00:21:51.759 Bedford colored the band. uh, from the start. 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.839 So it's, you kind of touched upon it there, Nuno 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:59.140 and Ben, for you to come in to the band, you 00:21:59.140 --> 00:22:00.619 know, as you're saying, you've known them forever, 00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:03.519 but it's different knowing them to actually being 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.799 a part of the unit and actually having to live, 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:09.660 you know, the same things that they're living 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:12.859 or seeing things firsthand. How did, how do you 00:22:12.859 --> 00:22:15.400 feel that new Bedford has colored the band and 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.720 how has it helped color you as joining the, uh, 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.660 the band itself? All right. That's an awesome 00:22:21.660 --> 00:22:23.539 question. I mean, I love New Bedford so much. 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:25.660 I had only been there before I joined the band. 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:28.359 I'd only been there once or twice to hang with 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:31.500 the guys. But since then, I mean, it's like my 00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:33.900 home away from home. It's the other place I spend 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:37.160 most of my time outside of California. And I 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.960 love it. I mean, it's just. it's just got so 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.140 much heart and it really was clear from the start 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:44.160 how it informed the band like it all made sense 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.339 just meeting all their friends all their homies 00:22:46.339 --> 00:22:48.920 that they've had for two plus decades and just 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.180 everyone's families and you know hanging out 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:54.380 walking down the streets non -stop and exploring 00:22:54.380 --> 00:22:56.279 the town and seeing all parts of it it's like 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.019 he really clicked in and made sense and you know 00:22:59.019 --> 00:23:02.140 how how it kind of build built those guys characters 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:06.460 you know in a specific way and um to me clicked 00:23:06.460 --> 00:23:09.390 right in place as to why they've never stopped 00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:11.890 and been around for 20 minutes always gone hard 00:23:11.890 --> 00:23:14.349 and never given up and just like the persistence 00:23:14.349 --> 00:23:17.130 that kind of like that hardened quality of the 00:23:17.130 --> 00:23:19.970 east coast you know which a lot of bands wouldn't 00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:22.269 have been able to stand the test of time you 00:23:22.269 --> 00:23:24.809 know and new bedford kind of stands the test 00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:26.869 of time you know it's it's an old city it's a 00:23:26.869 --> 00:23:31.029 strong city so it all made sense to me yeah and 00:23:31.029 --> 00:23:34.630 i love it shout out poor farm shout out purchase 00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:38.720 street yeah You know, the other thing that I 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.700 wanted to bring up, a lot of people that I knew 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:46.140 growing up were Portuguese, especially because 00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:48.539 my father came from the construction industry. 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.819 And a lot. All right. There were a lot of construction 00:23:50.819 --> 00:23:55.119 workers that were Portuguese in that era. My 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:01.660 family descends from Spain. And it's always funny 00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:03.779 to talk to people that don't imagine they're 00:24:03.779 --> 00:24:08.089 being like. rock metal punk influence in spain 00:24:08.089 --> 00:24:11.950 or from people that are hispanic or whatever 00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:15.829 right um so for you growing up and getting into 00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:19.569 this style of music um was it always accepted 00:24:19.569 --> 00:24:21.970 within your family were you seen as an outsider 00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:25.130 by your friend or by your friends or family or 00:24:25.130 --> 00:24:30.150 other people that were portuguese um it was it 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:34.150 was interesting my family were were very pretty 00:24:34.150 --> 00:24:36.289 much recent immigrants they immigrated in the 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:40.430 70s uh to new bedford which is you know one of 00:24:40.430 --> 00:24:43.769 the outside of newark new jersey like the second 00:24:43.769 --> 00:24:46.250 or third largest portuguese population outside 00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:49.930 of portugal yeah um that was a trip to me when 00:24:49.930 --> 00:24:51.650 i found out because like growing up here it's 00:24:51.650 --> 00:24:53.920 kind of you're kind of in this like Everyone's 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.799 a little Portuguese, but outside of here, like, 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:57.660 you know, no one else is Portuguese. We're all 00:24:57.660 --> 00:25:00.000 here, you know, and finding out there was a massive 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.819 Portuguese population in Newark and all throughout 00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:06.279 New Jersey. What was kind of cool, I think, because 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:10.099 of my my mom and my uncle's age, when they came 00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:13.079 over here, they were still kind of in the mix. 00:25:13.099 --> 00:25:15.019 You know, my uncle was kind of a mover and shaker. 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.680 He would, you know, he. played bass a little 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.740 bit. He loved, whenever he would babysit my sister 00:25:20.740 --> 00:25:23.359 and I as infants, he would always play like, 00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:26.779 you know, Pink Floyd records or like Thin Lizzy 00:25:26.779 --> 00:25:30.319 records or whatever he had that seemed to stoke 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.359 us out. So like the rock and roll stuff was huge. 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:37.859 He loved it. He was a young, you know, kind of 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:40.900 full of life Portuguese who was just out there 00:25:40.900 --> 00:25:43.059 loving the American kind of scene, you know. 00:25:43.660 --> 00:25:45.500 So that kind of stuff was always in the house. 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.920 And even though Portuguese people are generally 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.740 stereotypically conservative kind of Catholics, 00:25:52.900 --> 00:25:55.480 like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, that's 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:58.400 that's bad stuff or whatever, you know, I think 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:04.500 at the time it was kind of OK. Like so as I got 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.710 older and, you know, I was. I was left alone 00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:11.569 at home a lot with a record player and my mom's 00:26:11.569 --> 00:26:13.869 and some of my uncle's record collection. I would 00:26:13.869 --> 00:26:17.670 just come home and like put on records all the 00:26:17.670 --> 00:26:20.630 time and just rock out. Like I would mess with 00:26:20.630 --> 00:26:24.210 the RPMs to make like songs faster or slower 00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:25.990 and creepy or whatever. You know what I mean? 00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:29.490 Music, that kind of stuff was totally fine. When 00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:34.430 I got into like, like kind of like the hair metal 00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:37.660 and then like early. like rap and hip -hop music 00:26:37.660 --> 00:26:40.400 i didn't play that around the house i listened 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.660 to that at my friend's house because i knew like 00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:45.579 some of that stuff was like okay you know like 00:26:45.579 --> 00:26:47.140 a little bit would have been a little bit too 00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:51.099 much for them but um yeah mtv was on on the house 00:26:51.099 --> 00:26:53.359 all the time back in the 80s and 90s so like 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:57.279 metallica and like you know as i got older headbangers 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.380 ball was a thing for me so uh but everyone was 00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:05.359 asleep so like it was okay um i think what's 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.440 i think probably more difficult for a lot of 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.359 uh you know children of of immigrants is to like 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.740 go to your mom who busted her ass for 25 years 00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:19.000 to get her you know a degree and provide for 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.799 her family and go like i'm not going to college 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.880 i want to do rock and roll stuff i want to be 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.740 in my band forever that's a tough self for for 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.900 most parents it's an even tougher self for like 00:27:29.900 --> 00:27:34.710 uh i've got to get I hope my mom doesn't watch 00:27:34.710 --> 00:27:36.769 this. Hard Portuguese. You know what I mean? 00:27:36.789 --> 00:27:39.650 Like, hard working. What are you doing with your 00:27:39.650 --> 00:27:41.869 life? You got to make some money and do this 00:27:41.869 --> 00:27:45.930 the right way type parenting. But, hey, you know, 00:27:45.930 --> 00:27:48.609 as things moved along, she realized, like, I'm 00:27:48.609 --> 00:27:51.029 doing something I love. And that it's brought 00:27:51.029 --> 00:27:53.849 me around the world countless times. Introduced 00:27:53.849 --> 00:27:56.289 me to some of the greatest people I'll ever know 00:27:56.289 --> 00:28:00.029 in my life. And she softened up a bit, too, now 00:28:00.029 --> 00:28:01.910 that, you know, as she got older. And she's like, 00:28:01.950 --> 00:28:04.079 hey. you know, maybe it's a good thing you didn't 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.279 go to school. Like she was a professor for years. 00:28:06.339 --> 00:28:07.960 She's like, the kids are idiots anyway. Like 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.220 they don't learn nothing. Like, thank God you 00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:13.619 have a passport, you know, type shit. But it 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:15.519 was, it was different. You know, a lot of Portuguese 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.000 kids in our area couldn't listen to Metallica. 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.180 They couldn't wear, you know, band shirts, you 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.440 know what I mean? Like they were, it was, it 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.319 was, it was tough for some of those kids. So, 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.359 but I think that's true of most kind of hard 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.400 work and blue collar immigrant communities. You 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:32.609 don't want to, you know, the nail that sticks 00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:34.690 up gets hammered down type shit. You know what 00:28:34.690 --> 00:28:37.289 I mean? So it can be tough. And I'm sure it caused 00:28:37.289 --> 00:28:39.609 a lot of rifts back in the day. It's coming home 00:28:39.609 --> 00:28:42.069 with like a, like a, ain't an earring or some 00:28:42.069 --> 00:28:44.269 shit. You know what I mean? And then your hardcore 00:28:44.269 --> 00:28:46.150 porting, your dad thinks you're gay or something 00:28:46.150 --> 00:28:47.690 like, you know what I mean? I'm sure that happened 00:28:47.690 --> 00:28:50.089 all over the place. You know what I'm saying? 00:28:50.170 --> 00:28:53.529 Like, so it's, it's, it was different, but I 00:28:53.529 --> 00:28:56.309 mean, our culture here, like is also very supportive. 00:28:56.829 --> 00:28:58.910 The family's huge. You know what I mean? And 00:28:58.910 --> 00:29:02.140 like, no matter what, like, Whether you're a 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:05.700 drunk who's trying to get better, crash his car, 00:29:05.859 --> 00:29:07.599 your family's embarrassed, but they're going 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.940 to take care of you. You know what I mean? So 00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:13.880 I'm pretty proud to be Portuguese -American. 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.079 But then again, I'm one of the lucky ones who 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:18.700 didn't get his ass slapped around when he was 00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:21.799 caught listening to Black Sabbath. You know what 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:25.339 I mean? Yeah, I hear you. A lot of similarities, 00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:29.559 believe me. Yeah, yeah. So this is album number 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.420 six for you guys. Was there anything specific 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:35.980 that you guys wanted to do with this album? I 00:29:35.980 --> 00:29:39.039 mean, before you guys start writing an album, 00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:43.720 do you set up like a map that you guys want to 00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:48.980 follow or you just kind of let things fly? I 00:29:48.980 --> 00:29:51.299 think you let things fly and then whatever sticks 00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:54.960 you make the map out of kind of like ideas are 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:59.590 always coming and flowing and being shared. I 00:29:59.590 --> 00:30:02.930 think in general too, in our experience, like 00:30:02.930 --> 00:30:08.210 the, the mood kind of dictates the, the, the, 00:30:08.230 --> 00:30:11.509 like the vibe of the record. So if you're writing 00:30:11.509 --> 00:30:13.549 songs that are just like, Oh, this is pretty 00:30:13.549 --> 00:30:16.069 pissed and fast. You know what I mean? Like you 00:30:16.069 --> 00:30:17.509 can be like, Oh, I like this, you know, to get 00:30:17.509 --> 00:30:19.970 into that pissed fast mode. You know what I mean? 00:30:20.069 --> 00:30:23.710 Right. And, but I mean, our band is very, very 00:30:23.710 --> 00:30:27.410 dynamic. You know what I mean? So, I feel like 00:30:27.410 --> 00:30:29.289 this record is a little bit more straight ahead, 00:30:29.470 --> 00:30:32.250 like in your face, like punch you in the gut 00:30:32.250 --> 00:30:36.809 type stuff. But there are moments in, in some 00:30:36.809 --> 00:30:39.049 of these songs that you're like, Whoa, like that, 00:30:39.089 --> 00:30:42.109 that turn was crazy. Like this isn't the same 00:30:42.109 --> 00:30:43.769 punch you in the stomach song right now. They're 00:30:43.769 --> 00:30:46.289 on like this weird bridge and it's like beautiful. 00:30:46.529 --> 00:30:49.329 You know what I mean? Like, I think that's, that's 00:30:49.329 --> 00:30:51.930 something that happens. But for years, since 00:30:51.930 --> 00:30:54.430 even with Ben and the band, band came in with 00:30:54.430 --> 00:30:57.490 songs, like check this out. And those songs were 00:30:57.490 --> 00:31:00.150 all on the record. You know, that's Ben. That's 00:31:00.150 --> 00:31:02.890 Ben's writing. You know, that's not me, Trevor 00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:05.630 and Nick and New Bedford, like jamming ideas. 00:31:05.869 --> 00:31:08.049 You know what I mean? That's this powerhouse 00:31:08.049 --> 00:31:11.130 that we now have in our arsenal being like, boom, 00:31:11.230 --> 00:31:14.190 check it out. And that kind of gets us onto that. 00:31:15.029 --> 00:31:17.369 I can't remember exactly how you phrased it, 00:31:17.430 --> 00:31:20.490 but kind of like into that mode, so to speak, 00:31:20.549 --> 00:31:22.609 where, hey, this is what we're doing now. This 00:31:22.609 --> 00:31:25.500 is ripping. You know what I mean? So. that's 00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:29.299 my my experience from it ben i'm sure has a similar 00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:32.359 but different view of it right no i mean yeah 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.000 that you put it wonderfully um the first thing 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.539 you said especially like was is dead on like 00:31:37.539 --> 00:31:40.980 um you know i i think the intention in general 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:45.920 um was to um make you know make a super fast 00:31:46.490 --> 00:31:49.130 Piss to the point, ass kicking, like leave it 00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:53.089 all on the table, like no frills, really. Record, 00:31:53.190 --> 00:31:55.450 because the band has done that a lot in the past. 00:31:55.490 --> 00:31:57.589 And there's moments of that on the last record. 00:31:57.609 --> 00:31:59.549 But the last record, Lose Your Delusion, was 00:31:59.549 --> 00:32:03.029 super sincere, kind of the most personal in some 00:32:03.029 --> 00:32:06.490 ways that Trevor and Nuno got, you know, lyrically, 00:32:06.630 --> 00:32:10.849 you know, not to speak for them. But and so it's 00:32:10.849 --> 00:32:13.410 just as a band, you know, six LPs in, it's like. 00:32:14.059 --> 00:32:16.880 you have a a lot of bags of tricks you know musically 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.240 lyrically vibe wise and it's you know doing the 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.059 same thing too many times in a row it's just 00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:24.259 a natural thing to go okay yeah let's get back 00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:26.380 into this mode or something from do these kinds 00:32:26.380 --> 00:32:29.579 of parts from past records and for me it was 00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:31.920 it was really easy to come in still objectively 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.079 because wilhelm was my favorite band of all time 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.859 and still is but i was a super fan you know joint 00:32:38.859 --> 00:32:40.359 putting out the records and then joining the 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:44.109 band so i still have I guess maybe I have a more 00:32:44.109 --> 00:32:48.890 objective lens coming in fresh. And so I kind 00:32:48.890 --> 00:32:51.930 of wrote all the, my favorite kind of Wilhelm 00:32:51.930 --> 00:32:54.509 parts or whatever, and they ended up being very 00:32:54.509 --> 00:32:56.769 shreddy and fast. Cause I, I'm just like a metal 00:32:56.769 --> 00:33:00.309 head, you know, from my teenage years and I love 00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:04.250 fast music and stuff, but, but yeah, what Nuno 00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:06.470 said at the beginning, like we kind of wrote 00:33:06.470 --> 00:33:08.730 a bunch of songs, you know, everyone, we, everyone 00:33:08.730 --> 00:33:13.259 was writing riffs and vibing and, You know, once 00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.640 if you're going for a full length, 10 songs or 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.779 something, once over half of them, once you have 00:33:17.779 --> 00:33:19.779 five or seven, you're like, OK, this is a certain 00:33:19.779 --> 00:33:22.579 vibe, you know, like, OK, well, this is definitely 00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:25.039 let's let's lean into this. And, you know, maybe 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.240 a couple songs that are not breakneck tempos, 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.519 just so it's a nice listening experience and 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.740 it's not just like fatiguing. But but yeah, I 00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:36.200 mean, there were two songs that were going to 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.420 be on the record. One is like a long, epic journey. 00:33:41.869 --> 00:33:44.690 and the other is and it just didn't it was too 00:33:44.690 --> 00:33:47.890 sprawling to fit in the kind of punch you in 00:33:47.890 --> 00:33:49.769 the face shorter songs let's keep it flowing 00:33:49.769 --> 00:33:55.190 record um vibe and the other song was just too 00:33:55.190 --> 00:33:59.009 heavy lyrically like very personal and the tone 00:33:59.009 --> 00:34:02.170 of the song is just very very sad and beautiful 00:34:02.170 --> 00:34:04.950 and kind of like and it just didn't fit like 00:34:04.950 --> 00:34:06.910 you couldn't put it anywhere in the record you'd 00:34:06.910 --> 00:34:09.409 be like wow this is a deviation and mood completely 00:34:09.409 --> 00:34:12.349 you know what i mean and lyrically it would have 00:34:12.349 --> 00:34:15.630 been a kind of a deviation of the storyteller 00:34:15.630 --> 00:34:18.750 kind of cinematic thriller perspective we were 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.630 going for with this one so it's interesting it's 00:34:21.630 --> 00:34:23.650 always like and those songs are so good we're 00:34:23.650 --> 00:34:25.369 going to release them later on this year probably 00:34:25.369 --> 00:34:28.480 but You know, it just becomes clear halfway through 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.280 or sometime through what it's shaping up to be 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.260 and what should be the opener, what should be 00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:35.159 the closer, what song doesn't fit, you know, 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.039 all those things. Yeah. Cool. And the cool thing 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.980 that I'm hearing from you guys, too, is once 00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:46.920 Ben was included in the band, you know, you were 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.780 afforded the ability to write for the band where 00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:54.539 a lot of other bands would bring someone in. 00:34:55.349 --> 00:34:57.489 And you would have been like the last person 00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:01.449 to have any whatsoever, but it seems the opposite, 00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:06.269 you know? Yeah. The collaborations. It's a no 00:35:06.269 --> 00:35:09.730 brainer. Like if you've been writing music with 00:35:09.730 --> 00:35:11.530 the same people for a long time, you kind of, 00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:13.289 not that you fall into a rut, but you kind of, 00:35:13.289 --> 00:35:16.010 you have a system. Yeah. And not for nothing. 00:35:16.010 --> 00:35:19.070 Sometimes those systems can need overhauls. You 00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:21.230 know what I mean? When a guy like Ben comes in 00:35:21.230 --> 00:35:25.460 with, Hey, I got songs. like there's no better 00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:30.099 situation there's no better situation in music 00:35:30.099 --> 00:35:34.159 in collaborating because now you're like oh yeah 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.760 let's see what you got holy i like this what 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.829 else do you got or like hey I might have a part. 00:35:40.889 --> 00:35:43.650 I really like this part. I might have a bit that 00:35:43.650 --> 00:35:46.190 might fit into that part too. Can we, do you 00:35:46.190 --> 00:35:48.809 mind if we wedge some ideas in here? It's like, 00:35:48.849 --> 00:35:51.690 absolutely. Ben's like such an easy guy to collaborate 00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:54.489 with. And I mean, he's been in a bunch of bands 00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:56.590 too. So he knows how the flow goes. You know 00:35:56.590 --> 00:35:59.349 what I mean? Trevor's not this like dude who's 00:35:59.349 --> 00:36:01.570 like, nope, I don't like, like Trevor's always 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.650 like, please more ideas, more ideas. You know 00:36:04.650 --> 00:36:06.409 what I mean? More is more is like one of our. 00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:10.210 like, you know, long lasting kind of mantras 00:36:10.210 --> 00:36:12.929 in the Wilhelm scream, you know, you know, a 00:36:12.929 --> 00:36:14.650 lot of people are sometimes less is more, not 00:36:14.650 --> 00:36:17.369 more is more, you know what I mean? All the ideas, 00:36:17.530 --> 00:36:19.510 because then you've got just, you know, then 00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:24.010 you've got this amazing kind of quiver full of 00:36:24.010 --> 00:36:26.869 ideas that you can just fire off or mix them 00:36:26.869 --> 00:36:29.690 up. Like there are songs on, on this new record 00:36:29.690 --> 00:36:33.630 that were like not put together quite right, 00:36:33.690 --> 00:36:36.159 but we knew something was there. Take this chunk 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:38.079 out. Put this chunk here. Cut that one in half. 00:36:38.539 --> 00:36:40.900 All the ideas are great ideas, even if they're 00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:43.079 not clicking right away. They're great ideas. 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.820 So you just got to do that fun shit you do in 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.639 a band and like chop and move around. Oh, that 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.340 thing that was the intro? That's not really it. 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.840 That's a bridge, dude. You know what I mean? 00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:55.920 Like that kind of stuff. And like I said, Ben's 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.239 been in bands for a long, long time. He's been 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.059 putting bands out. He's got an ear for this shit. 00:37:03.309 --> 00:37:05.710 It's one of the greatest things, like, to have 00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:09.010 someone come in with their own ideas, especially 00:37:09.010 --> 00:37:11.750 when they're as kick -ass as Ben's were, you 00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:13.650 know? Sorry, I'm not trying to blow smoke up 00:37:13.650 --> 00:37:15.949 your ass all day, Ben. No, be careful. You're 00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:19.050 going to make me feel good about myself. Let's 00:37:19.050 --> 00:37:21.849 take our shirts off, bro. I appreciate it. It's 00:37:21.849 --> 00:37:24.690 very sweet of you, Nino. I do want to say one 00:37:24.690 --> 00:37:28.429 thing, which is, like, I think the coolest part 00:37:28.429 --> 00:37:30.650 for me about it, it's a very Lifetime movie, 00:37:30.750 --> 00:37:34.320 but, like, Trevor Riley and Brett Gerwitz are, 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:35.860 you know, I see your stranger than fiction record. 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.500 I have a recipe for a tattoo here, but like, 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.119 you know, those are my top two, like greatest 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.380 songwriters, like heavenly, where did they get, 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.639 how do they channel this and make, write these 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.460 songs and these riffs and these lyrics stuff. 00:37:49.579 --> 00:37:53.320 And, and so Trevor's song, right. You know what 00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:55.019 I mean? And it, Wilhelm's always been a collective, 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.920 obviously, you know, but like Trevor as a songwriter, 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:03.309 really. informed my dna since 2003 or 4 and so 00:38:03.309 --> 00:38:06.329 it's like whatever i'm contributing to wilhelm 00:38:06.329 --> 00:38:09.789 now is informed through him it's like it's that's 00:38:09.789 --> 00:38:11.969 what's made my writing so when i hand it back 00:38:11.969 --> 00:38:14.190 to him it handed back to you know what i mean 00:38:14.190 --> 00:38:17.050 when i present riffs i bet it feels like a wilhelm 00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:19.409 scream because there's like that's in me like 00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:21.590 i like you know what i mean all my past bands 00:38:21.590 --> 00:38:23.570 were all informed by wilhelm scream in some way 00:38:23.570 --> 00:38:26.309 or another and so it's kind of cool to end up 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.159 in the band where you're like oh yeah i think 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.699 i could write sufficiently for you guys because 00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:35.619 you're the reason i write like this like yeah 00:38:35.619 --> 00:38:38.360 so it's really so you know trev's an idol of 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.860 mine songwriting wise so be and even in the songs 00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:43.670 i brought in like The things I would bring in, 00:38:43.769 --> 00:38:45.630 I would definitely like, yo, this is still to 00:38:45.630 --> 00:38:47.949 Ben Murray. We got to Wilhelmify this. And you 00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:50.369 hand it off to Trevor. He adds a completely different 00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:52.570 part on his guitar, you know what I mean, on 00:38:52.570 --> 00:38:55.329 his side. I'm like, there it is. There we go. 00:38:55.429 --> 00:38:57.730 I needed the Trevor Riley. I needed the Bri Robinson 00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:01.190 on this. You know what I mean? And that's what 00:39:01.190 --> 00:39:04.070 makes it beautiful. And I got to see firsthand 00:39:04.070 --> 00:39:06.469 how that process happens. And it just worked 00:39:06.469 --> 00:39:08.750 out really smoothly. But it's been really cool, 00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:12.349 man. Yeah, there's a lot of really cool intricacies 00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:16.489 with the guitar specifically, where there's a 00:39:16.489 --> 00:39:18.710 lot of things in songs that have caught me off 00:39:18.710 --> 00:39:20.690 guard. Like, oh shit, where'd that come from? 00:39:21.969 --> 00:39:26.030 That's that Wilhelm shit right there. How is 00:39:26.030 --> 00:39:28.570 it working with Trevor as a producer? Because 00:39:28.570 --> 00:39:31.730 a lot of times when bands self -produce stuff, 00:39:31.949 --> 00:39:36.340 they don't know how to say no to things. You 00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.659 know, you'll listen to some people's albums and 00:39:38.659 --> 00:39:40.880 you're like, wow, the ideas are there. But if 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.619 they had another voice to kind of tell them how 00:39:44.619 --> 00:39:49.739 to maybe cut this out or improve the sound here 00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:53.179 or there, stuff like that. Some bands do it great. 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.079 Others, it's kind of a head scratcher why they 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.539 do it. But for you guys, what's it like to work 00:39:59.539 --> 00:40:05.179 with Trevor as a producer? For for me, like as 00:40:05.179 --> 00:40:08.000 you know, having I mean, Trevor and I have been 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:13.340 at this since 1996 or something. Right. And the 00:40:13.340 --> 00:40:16.639 only times we've ever actually kind of had a 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.960 producer or someone like exactly you said, like 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.900 someone going, hey, maybe maybe extend this part. 00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:27.519 Hey, maybe why don't we go for this sound on 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.360 this part? The only real times we ever had that. 00:40:32.210 --> 00:40:34.750 were in the blasting room with Bill Stevenson 00:40:34.750 --> 00:40:38.030 and Jason Livermore, engineering and kind of 00:40:38.030 --> 00:40:41.050 producing us, but Bill had a real hands -off 00:40:41.050 --> 00:40:43.269 kind of approach with us as well because I think 00:40:43.269 --> 00:40:44.769 he didn't know what the fuck was going on in 00:40:44.769 --> 00:40:48.030 our band either. You know what I mean? But he 00:40:48.030 --> 00:40:50.329 certainly would come on and be like, hey, on 00:40:50.329 --> 00:40:53.050 this part, I think he would have his producer 00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:56.510 ear. Trevor Riley growing up in his dad's project 00:40:56.510 --> 00:40:59.030 studio, surrounded by music his entire life. 00:40:59.530 --> 00:41:03.719 I feel like, The producer in Trevor was always 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.300 in there. Okay. The engineer part of Trevor, 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.780 you know, was also building up. So as those two 00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:15.880 things kind of started to really, you know, take 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.800 off, Trevor's now working with a ton of bands 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.579 in his studio. He's the de facto kind of producer 00:41:21.579 --> 00:41:23.320 for a lot of these bands. He'll tell you himself. 00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:26.420 You know, he'll be like, hey, guys, check this 00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:29.599 out. 99 % of the time, they're like, holy shit. 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.500 Amazing. Thank you so much. You know, the kind 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:34.880 of stuff you really would like to have that that 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.179 outsider ear or the guy who's like in the studio 00:41:38.179 --> 00:41:40.699 feeling out the vibes and being like, oh, yeah, 00:41:40.780 --> 00:41:42.920 OK, I get it now what you guys are doing. Hey, 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.679 let's try this or maybe let's switch this up 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.760 a little bit because, you know, I'm hearing things 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:50.780 like, you know, that maybe you're not hearing 00:41:50.780 --> 00:41:57.320 there in the in in the past two records. With 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.059 Trevor both, you know, engineering and producing. 00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:05.719 It's been great because he has, he's already, 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.099 he's got the idea. He's got the vision. You know 00:42:09.099 --> 00:42:12.480 what I mean? He's worked on this song ad infinitum. 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.679 Every aspect, every minute detail has been thought 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.019 about and combed over, you know, with a fine 00:42:20.019 --> 00:42:23.099 tooth comb or whatever. Every now and again, 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:24.559 though, I'd be like, I wonder what it'd be like 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.469 to get like this dude. to come in and listen 00:42:27.469 --> 00:42:30.650 and listen. Right. Cause like, I feel like, I 00:42:30.650 --> 00:42:33.849 feel like we'd probably laugh 90 % of the producers 00:42:33.849 --> 00:42:35.289 out of the room. Like, yeah, I get the fuck out 00:42:35.289 --> 00:42:36.369 of here. You don't know what you're talking about, 00:42:36.469 --> 00:42:39.070 dude. You don't get what we're doing, dude. Right. 00:42:40.050 --> 00:42:43.489 So like, I, I've always had the utmost respect 00:42:43.489 --> 00:42:47.650 and trust for Trevor's ability to know what the 00:42:47.650 --> 00:42:50.730 end product should be. You know what I mean? 00:42:51.170 --> 00:42:54.559 And. And he, you know, he'll make you ride it. 00:42:54.579 --> 00:42:56.360 Like, dude, get in there. I need five more of 00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:58.079 those. Whatever you did on the last one, give 00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.699 me three more of those. You know what I mean? 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.639 I'm like, okay, okay. You know what I mean? I 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.360 might not know why he needs five of me saying, 00:43:04.460 --> 00:43:07.340 fuck yous or whatever. Like, I don't know why 00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:09.639 really. Maybe I thought the last two were good, 00:43:09.699 --> 00:43:11.380 but he's like, no, no, no. Come in here and check 00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:13.780 this out. Boom. You know what I mean? And I'll 00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:15.559 be like, I flew two that way, two that way. The 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.519 best one right up the middle. Check this out. 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.570 And I'm like, oh man. Yeah. That's why, that's 00:43:20.570 --> 00:43:23.630 why, you know what I mean? Like, so in that regard, 00:43:23.789 --> 00:43:27.969 like we don't want for a producer, you know, 00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:31.190 we've got one of the greats in our, in our band. 00:43:31.929 --> 00:43:34.690 It would be fun maybe to have someone come in, 00:43:34.750 --> 00:43:37.710 like that we trust and like, and, and, you know, 00:43:37.730 --> 00:43:40.550 gets us to be like, Hey guys, like this song 00:43:40.550 --> 00:43:42.369 that you're not putting on the record that needs 00:43:42.369 --> 00:43:45.170 to be on the record, dude. Like that's, that's 00:43:45.170 --> 00:43:47.090 cool. You know what I mean? Like, and again, 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.900 uh we've had we we were offered that luxury a 00:43:50.900 --> 00:43:53.760 few times with the blasting room sessions and 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.019 they were excellent you know those records were 00:43:56.019 --> 00:43:58.119 phenomenal there were songs that we went in there 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.119 with and bill's like nope that's not making the 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.139 record like you know you're like oh man like 00:44:05.139 --> 00:44:07.960 dude well we worked on that you know what i mean 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.840 like but that that's the way it goes that's that's 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.920 showbiz baby uh ben's worked with countless producers 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.460 in his own bands and with bands that he record 00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:20.500 puts out too i'm sure so i don't know what your 00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:23.980 your take on that is ben but no it's yeah it's 00:44:23.980 --> 00:44:26.719 trev is like dude he's such a workhorse he's 00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.719 just i mean you know like i mean in his words 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.059 he's it's his mental illness you know but he's 00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:36.800 a perfectionist who you know who likes imperfections 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.079 too do you know what i mean but he'll work on 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.719 it until the bitter end and it's like even i 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.920 have a funny screenshot in my phone that it's 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.710 like I think a few nights before we turned in 00:44:46.710 --> 00:44:50.190 the master, it's like Trevor Riley uploaded 77 00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:54.130 tracks. This is like new mixes. He's just, dude, 00:44:54.210 --> 00:44:56.030 when we got home from Europe, he's been in there 00:44:56.030 --> 00:44:59.969 like every day, like 10 plus hours a day. And 00:44:59.969 --> 00:45:03.719 when he's not in there, like he's... in some 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.039 other part of his house with the with youtube 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.019 on with like amp shootout videos and the latest 00:45:09.019 --> 00:45:11.579 plugins and it's like he's a student of the game 00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:14.039 you know what i mean and he never wants to stop 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.920 improving and learning and that's really inspiring 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.639 to be around and it's also it's like yeah a lot 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.320 of other producers might just be like they've 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.320 had their way for a long time they come in and 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.380 they kind of go yeah yeah but they're not kind 00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:30.280 of constantly striving for, you know, new technology 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.840 or new methods. And, you know, and so it's just 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.820 really cool. And it was it was fascinating. I've 00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:38.460 never met someone that works as hard as him on, 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.420 you know, and cares as much like passionately 00:45:41.420 --> 00:45:45.599 about it. And yeah, it's just awesome. And for 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.440 us, it was so crucial to be able to just like 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.260 record in this house, you know what I mean? And 00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:52.880 not have to drive or fly out somewhere and, you 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.719 know, do the whole thing. Yeah, like Nuno said, 00:45:55.900 --> 00:46:00.139 at this point, six albums, I think we know ourselves 00:46:00.139 --> 00:46:03.579 better than anyone. And Trevor, from moment one, 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.719 there was no doubt in my mind. I mean, it sounded 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.380 awesome from the start, even when it was just 00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:09.800 tracking drums. But it's just like, I have no 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.400 doubt this thing's going to be a beast. And Trevor 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.099 and I would have talks on his stoop. We're smoking. 00:46:15.340 --> 00:46:17.940 We're just like, yeah, this isn't sounding quite 00:46:17.940 --> 00:46:21.039 right yet. And we'd just be like, none of us 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:22.400 have stress because we're never going to let 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.219 anything out the door that isn't just right. 00:46:24.510 --> 00:46:26.190 You know what I mean? And completely up to our 00:46:26.190 --> 00:46:31.210 standards. So yeah, he rules. He's really great 00:46:31.210 --> 00:46:33.610 at what he does. And yeah, it was cool. Really 00:46:33.610 --> 00:46:38.289 smooth tracking process and all that. Okay. Often 00:46:38.289 --> 00:46:41.690 I hear that people switch from drums to guitar 00:46:41.690 --> 00:46:45.409 are more rhythmic in their writing than just 00:46:45.409 --> 00:46:49.730 people that start out playing guitar. Would you 00:46:49.730 --> 00:46:52.280 feel that's... a fair assessment with Trevor 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.179 as well? Or do you think that doesn't apply? 00:46:55.340 --> 00:46:57.579 Ben and Trevor both were drummers before they 00:46:57.579 --> 00:47:00.619 were guitar players. Yeah. There's three drummers 00:47:00.619 --> 00:47:02.599 in the band. I was going to say, I was about 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:04.699 to jump, jump right in and be like a million 00:47:04.699 --> 00:47:06.960 percent. Correct. You are a million percent. 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.840 Correct. Like in their, in their cases, like 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.159 you can tell. And I think that's just one of 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.659 those. I think it's a very cool thing. It very 00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:19.329 lucky to have. two drummers you know what i mean 00:47:19.329 --> 00:47:21.469 or three drummers in the band you know what i 00:47:21.469 --> 00:47:25.829 mean uh so and again like uh whether it's guitars 00:47:25.829 --> 00:47:28.650 you know the syncopation of certain things that 00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:33.510 way trevor's also constantly thinking about how 00:47:33.510 --> 00:47:36.210 the melodies and how certain lines get delivered 00:47:36.210 --> 00:47:40.380 in in conjunction with this beat that is going 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:44.480 with this guitar. So you're riding that or whatever 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.719 it is. You know what I mean? And that, that's 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:48.659 all drummer brain. You know what I mean? That's 00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:51.739 100 % drummer brain. And we're very lucky. Like 00:47:51.739 --> 00:47:55.360 I said, to have three drummers in the band. Yeah. 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.900 Even writing, even writing the songs and working 00:47:57.900 --> 00:48:01.969 them out. And there would be many times, you 00:48:01.969 --> 00:48:03.349 know, not many times, but a handful of times 00:48:03.349 --> 00:48:04.670 where it's like we're working. Oh, what do you 00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:06.650 mean? And Trev would jump behind Nick's kit and 00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:08.050 be like, maybe like something like this. And 00:48:08.050 --> 00:48:09.570 then Nick would jump back in and be like, maybe 00:48:09.570 --> 00:48:12.289 this. And I would jump back in alternating on 00:48:12.289 --> 00:48:14.010 the kit just to work out the part, you know, 00:48:14.030 --> 00:48:17.929 like. but yeah it's it and you know and nick 00:48:17.929 --> 00:48:21.170 always no matter who programs the demos and comes 00:48:21.170 --> 00:48:22.530 up with the original you know when you write 00:48:22.530 --> 00:48:24.329 riffs and you're a drummer you like there's no 00:48:24.329 --> 00:48:26.510 question in your mind what the beat is when you're 00:48:26.510 --> 00:48:28.510 writing the riff like you might change little 00:48:28.510 --> 00:48:30.789 things or fills or different accents but it's 00:48:30.789 --> 00:48:32.869 like you know it's going to be a d beat or a 00:48:32.869 --> 00:48:36.960 mid tempo whatever but like And so Nick always 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.320 has his way of like Nick's another and Brian, 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.760 but we're talking about drums here. Nick's like 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.440 style and flavor and swag. It's like that makes 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.880 it sound like Wilhelm. So it's like if Trev and 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.199 I were to record the drums or something or like 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.039 show him exactly what we want it like this, it's 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.539 like that wouldn't sound like Wilhelm at all. 00:48:54.619 --> 00:48:59.280 You know what I mean? So Nick's just a beast 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.519 and he'll come up with insane fills and reprogram 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.909 the demo drums. It's a very like cool process 00:49:04.909 --> 00:49:06.969 that comes together to make the final thing. 00:49:07.110 --> 00:49:10.030 But yeah, Nick always takes, takes whatever Ben 00:49:10.030 --> 00:49:12.630 and Trev say to heart at the same time. He's 00:49:12.630 --> 00:49:15.210 like, fuck you guys. I'm the drummer. That's 00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:17.809 a great idea. I'm going to put my spin on it 00:49:17.809 --> 00:49:19.809 or whatever. If I don't feel like doing all that 00:49:19.809 --> 00:49:21.309 crazy shit, you're telling me to do, I'm going 00:49:21.309 --> 00:49:24.030 to find a way to do some real Nick Angelini shit 00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:27.269 in the same vein of what you're trying. But I 00:49:27.269 --> 00:49:29.550 feel like that's true of a lot of not just drummers, 00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:31.449 but could be a guitar player being like, Hey 00:49:31.449 --> 00:49:33.949 man, like, hey why don't you try this be like 00:49:33.949 --> 00:49:37.869 okay i'll try that yeah okay i'm gonna make it 00:49:37.869 --> 00:49:39.730 cooler you know what i mean like kind of stuff 00:49:39.730 --> 00:49:42.269 yeah uh well that's that's the beautiful thing 00:49:42.269 --> 00:49:44.989 about being in a band that everyone enjoys collaborating 00:49:44.989 --> 00:49:47.369 you know what i mean like yeah no one ever i 00:49:47.369 --> 00:49:48.849 mean sometimes yeah it sucks when someone's like 00:49:48.849 --> 00:49:51.289 oh come on dude shouldn't it be like this and 00:49:51.289 --> 00:49:54.329 you're like i don't know no like you have those 00:49:54.329 --> 00:49:56.389 moments you know what i mean like we're we're 00:49:56.389 --> 00:49:59.070 best friends in a room together and like everything 00:49:59.070 --> 00:50:01.550 doesn't always you know everything's not always 00:50:01.550 --> 00:50:04.840 you know peachy keen sometimes you fight and 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.280 go like no it's like this no it's like no i'm 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.519 telling you it's better this way and then but 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.760 in the end dude that all that all that head button 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.699 and collaboration is why these songs in these 00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:20.179 in these in in these you know records mean so 00:50:20.179 --> 00:50:23.219 much to us you know what i mean yeah and and 00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:25.920 it it takes a lot of trust in each other because 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.860 Because I guarantee you, there's moments, there's 00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:30.800 no way around it. There's moments in the record, 00:50:30.860 --> 00:50:32.960 I'm sure, whether they're a second long or something, 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:35.679 that when we were writing them, someone was like, 00:50:35.739 --> 00:50:39.440 I don't know if I'm feeling that, or I am feeling 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.300 this completely. Guys, trust me, trust me. And 00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:45.800 as it goes by, it just starts making sense. And 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.340 you forget that you maybe, I don't know, wasn't 00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:50.099 crazy about this or that or the other thing. 00:50:50.300 --> 00:50:53.659 And everyone does a good job at... maintaining 00:50:53.659 --> 00:50:56.440 their passion and like selling their idea while 00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.360 not being too sensitive or like you know taking 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.239 things personal because it's never personal it's 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:04.159 never like none of us would ever and we all we 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.679 all hand in fire like straight fire on the riffs 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.559 and the lyrics but it would none of us would 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.539 ever be like yo that riff sucks or no that part's 00:51:11.539 --> 00:51:13.659 like we we're we're gentlemen with each other 00:51:13.659 --> 00:51:16.760 and it's all positivity if someone doesn't like 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:18.760 something it's more likely that they'll be like 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:20.860 yo, that's cool. That's cool. But what, like, 00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:22.659 what if we did this and like, kind of like kind 00:51:22.659 --> 00:51:25.820 of build on it and not just go, no, I'm not thinking 00:51:25.820 --> 00:51:29.059 that, you know, like, so yeah, it, it, it takes 00:51:29.059 --> 00:51:32.639 a lot of compromise and, but it always just, 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.940 it just comes out making sense and feel. We're 00:51:34.940 --> 00:51:37.179 all, we're all in the end of the day. We're all, 00:51:37.219 --> 00:51:39.760 we all want the same thing. You know what I mean? 00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:43.280 Like we all want each song to slap as hard as 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.570 the one before it, if not harder. Um, sometimes, 00:51:46.789 --> 00:51:48.829 yeah, sometimes the, the pill is a little bitter 00:51:48.829 --> 00:51:50.789 when someone's like, Hey man, like, you know, 00:51:50.809 --> 00:51:52.269 Trevor might come to me and be like, Hey man, 00:51:52.309 --> 00:51:55.210 that second verse, like punch that up, man. You 00:51:55.210 --> 00:51:57.809 like the first verse, you killed it, bro. Like, 00:51:57.849 --> 00:52:00.849 let's go, let's go after some, some great lines 00:52:00.849 --> 00:52:03.610 for the second one. And I, you know, I'm, I'm 00:52:03.610 --> 00:52:06.449 not married to any of my shit. You know what 00:52:06.449 --> 00:52:08.730 I mean? If my homie who I've been making music 00:52:08.730 --> 00:52:12.840 with forever tells me like, Hey Nuno. I know 00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.340 you, I know what you're capable of. I, I see 00:52:15.340 --> 00:52:18.420 something here that I know you can make better. 00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.460 Dude. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. 00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:23.599 You know what I mean? I don't want to be like 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.420 good enough. You know, none of us want to be 00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:29.559 good enough. Yeah. And, and we're not, we're 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:31.880 not sensitive about it, about our stuff. You 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:33.619 know what I mean? I'm not going to be like, well, 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.300 I'm taking my lyrics and I'm going home. Like 00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:39.889 I'm not, I'm not that. you know it does sometimes 00:52:39.889 --> 00:52:42.409 you you know i'm up i've got pride certainly 00:52:42.409 --> 00:52:45.869 we all do we're all you know on stage with this 00:52:45.869 --> 00:52:47.730 is a thing you got to have a little bit of an 00:52:47.730 --> 00:52:49.909 ego to be doing what you what we're doing here 00:52:49.909 --> 00:52:55.130 um but never that never when it comes to sharing 00:52:55.130 --> 00:52:58.369 ideas or telling your buddy like hey man hey 00:52:58.369 --> 00:53:01.670 that's cool but the other part was so good like 00:53:01.670 --> 00:53:04.780 why not but you know Hey, just work on a little 00:53:04.780 --> 00:53:06.500 bit more. Hey, work on this a little bit more. 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.159 Absolutely, dude. Happily. Thank you for pointing 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.619 it out type shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. 00:53:11.739 --> 00:53:14.179 So, yeah, I mean, we all like Ben touched on 00:53:14.179 --> 00:53:17.619 it. Like we trust each other, like the highest 00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:21.139 level. Right. So Ben's not going to come at me 00:53:21.139 --> 00:53:23.519 like personally, like, you know, you like that 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:26.639 sucks, you know, even if he thinks it does. He's 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.119 going to find a way to, you know, to come at 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:31.820 me in a way that I'm not going to get offended. 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.340 that i you know and be like hey man this isn't 00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.380 really popping can we try this well like hey 00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:40.619 you know add could you write a little part for 00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:43.980 this section i envisioned some vocal type thing 00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:46.539 going on in here and i'd be like whoa awesome 00:53:46.539 --> 00:53:48.780 dude yeah i didn't know i didn't know that was 00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:51.679 a section for me to write for you know type shit 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:55.619 so like yeah that trust and collaboration that's 00:53:55.619 --> 00:53:58.159 top tier will home shit like that's just what 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.489 we do with each other and i feel like that's 00:54:00.489 --> 00:54:02.949 the best way to to get the best product you know 00:54:02.949 --> 00:54:06.190 what i mean yeah it makes it what will um sound 00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:08.809 because it's like it you know you know even when 00:54:08.809 --> 00:54:11.710 the you know um the the songs we worked on together 00:54:11.710 --> 00:54:15.389 um on the record like you know there i remember 00:54:15.389 --> 00:54:17.230 even times i was like what if you did you know 00:54:17.230 --> 00:54:20.010 it could be the last the note of the last word 00:54:20.010 --> 00:54:22.670 of a chorus and you're like nah it should be 00:54:22.670 --> 00:54:24.559 like that and i'm like In hindsight, those little 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.280 moments, I'm so glad because it's like, I want 00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:28.960 it to sound like Wilhelm. I want it to sound 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.679 like you. I don't want it to sound like Ben Murray, 00:54:30.780 --> 00:54:33.320 whatever my preconceived idea. That might sound 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.940 too much like one of my past bands. Like, I want 00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:38.900 Wilhelm to be Wilhelm. And same with like, you 00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:41.809 know. drum parts, anything like supplying some 00:54:41.809 --> 00:54:44.449 meat, potatoes, demo. And Nick's like, nah, that 00:54:44.449 --> 00:54:45.829 ain't going to cut it. I would do something way 00:54:45.829 --> 00:54:48.349 cooler than that. And I'm like, like, thank you. 00:54:48.349 --> 00:54:50.010 It's going to take readjusting for my brain to 00:54:50.010 --> 00:54:52.750 get used to it. But yes, like this is what makes 00:54:52.750 --> 00:54:54.670 Wilhelm the five headed beast. You know, the, 00:54:54.750 --> 00:54:57.690 the kind of, my friend described it as like watching 00:54:57.690 --> 00:54:59.750 us live. It's like watching the inner workings 00:54:59.750 --> 00:55:01.690 of a clock, just things just like constantly, 00:55:01.769 --> 00:55:05.110 everyone's all makes sense, but it's just, you 00:55:05.110 --> 00:55:07.409 could watch any part of it and people are just 00:55:07.409 --> 00:55:11.960 going off, you know? So. Yeah. But aren't the 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.619 best bands like that? I mean, if you guys were 00:55:14.619 --> 00:55:18.340 playing the same thing or just kind of going 00:55:18.340 --> 00:55:21.179 along with things, you know, it just isn't as 00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:24.239 interesting, I would think. Exactly. Yeah. I 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.480 mean, for this style, I think especially, you 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:30.849 know, but I think also it's like. And it's kind 00:55:30.849 --> 00:55:33.269 of quite the opposite. Outside of me, when I 00:55:33.269 --> 00:55:35.409 drive the Vittoria van and I'm listening to death 00:55:35.409 --> 00:55:38.650 metal or something super technical and whatever, 00:55:38.949 --> 00:55:42.289 like all of us really, and me included, like 00:55:42.289 --> 00:55:46.190 love simple music. Like we love indie rock and 00:55:46.190 --> 00:55:49.269 like mid -tempo songs and songs that have two 00:55:49.269 --> 00:55:52.170 parts and hip hop and the most stripped down. 00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:57.210 I think you can't write convincing tech. shreddy 00:55:57.210 --> 00:56:00.090 music without having a solid foundation of like 00:56:00.090 --> 00:56:03.530 songwriting and like less is more music and like 00:56:03.530 --> 00:56:06.610 knowing because then it just might be riff soup 00:56:06.610 --> 00:56:08.550 you know what i mean and no one wants riff soup 00:56:08.550 --> 00:56:11.949 at all they have to have intention you know so 00:56:11.949 --> 00:56:15.710 if yeah it's just you you gotta absorb everything 00:56:15.710 --> 00:56:18.389 to make the songs kind of more meaningful so 00:56:18.389 --> 00:56:23.429 yeah yeah over the last few years i've noticed 00:56:23.429 --> 00:56:26.989 that a lot of bands are going towards putting 00:56:26.989 --> 00:56:29.570 out albums that are in the neighborhood of like 00:56:29.570 --> 00:56:32.429 30 minutes long which is what you guys have done 00:56:32.429 --> 00:56:36.489 which i think is really neat because especially 00:56:36.489 --> 00:56:38.889 when you receive the promos like they repeat 00:56:38.889 --> 00:56:42.690 by themselves and before you realize it you're 00:56:42.690 --> 00:56:44.710 already halfway through the album again you're 00:56:44.710 --> 00:56:46.969 like all right i'll do it all the way to the 00:56:46.969 --> 00:56:49.510 end again that was such an easy listen you know 00:56:49.510 --> 00:56:51.829 it was enjoyable And then before you realize 00:56:51.829 --> 00:56:53.429 it, you've listened to the album three or four 00:56:53.429 --> 00:56:56.769 times straight as opposed to... Ben, he's on 00:56:56.769 --> 00:57:00.650 to us. We got him. That's the formula. You're 00:57:00.650 --> 00:57:04.070 on to us. But that's the thing. I mean, for so 00:57:04.070 --> 00:57:06.690 many years, like with the advent of the CD, well, 00:57:06.750 --> 00:57:09.590 we've got 74 minutes, so we have to put 74 minutes 00:57:09.590 --> 00:57:13.050 worth of music on here. Punishing. Punishing. 00:57:13.429 --> 00:57:16.050 Yeah, that's the point. Even if you love a band, 00:57:16.070 --> 00:57:20.360 it's like, oh, is this finishing? Right. yeah 00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.739 it's a waste of songs to be honest it's like 00:57:22.739 --> 00:57:25.599 these days this day in 20 these days in 2026 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:28.400 it's like you know you still see rap albums that 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.880 are like 17 tracks and you're like my god you 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:33.519 know and they're playing a different game because 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:35.480 it's just streams a lot of these are interludes 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:36.840 30 seconds like they know what they're doing 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.019 i get more streams and stuff but back in the 00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:42.099 day it's like double albums and stuff like this 00:57:42.099 --> 00:57:45.170 and every track is four minutes it's like hey 00:57:45.170 --> 00:57:47.489 different styles if you're if you're sleep or 00:57:47.489 --> 00:57:49.429 a stoner band or you know any of these things 00:57:49.429 --> 00:57:52.050 you should have six minute songs outside of a 00:57:52.050 --> 00:57:54.730 couple it would never fly you know what i mean 00:57:54.730 --> 00:57:56.090 even like you know what i mean that would never 00:57:56.090 --> 00:57:58.650 fly in this style and it's not fun to listen 00:57:58.650 --> 00:58:01.130 to like extreme metal's the same way it's like 00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:04.130 who wants 50 minutes of that i mean my god who 00:58:04.130 --> 00:58:06.289 wants who wants a five minute song of that like 00:58:06.289 --> 00:58:10.019 there's just too many parts you know and Yeah. 00:58:10.059 --> 00:58:11.800 Don't overstay your welcome. And there's plenty 00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:13.920 of other Wilhelm music in our catalog. You know 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.480 what I mean? There's five other albums and it's 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:19.420 like, yeah, we just want, same with our live 00:58:19.420 --> 00:58:20.500 show. We're not going to get up there and play 00:58:20.500 --> 00:58:23.000 an hour and a half for you. like it's too much 00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.219 that's too much you gotta know the vibe you know 00:58:27.219 --> 00:58:29.420 and i'd much rather people be like let's start 00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:33.360 that again than like exactly and then it's like 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.119 track or you know what i mean if there's seven 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.440 minute songs you can't get to track 10 what if 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.659 track 10 is the best you know what i mean it's 00:58:39.659 --> 00:58:41.579 like on our record the closing track is one of 00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:43.400 my favorites it's like such a ripper you know 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.699 there's no filler on this record at all but like 00:58:45.699 --> 00:58:48.500 it would be a shame if people didn't get to it 00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:50.699 and still with the stats dude i see all these 00:58:50.699 --> 00:58:52.840 analytics it's abysmal how many people don't 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.840 get to like the end of even a 30 minute record. 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.320 So you're kidding yourself. If you're putting 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.400 out a 50 minute record these days, like it's 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.920 just good luck, good luck. Like you better put 00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:05.300 your best stuff on the first half of it. Cause 00:59:05.300 --> 00:59:08.019 ain't no getting to the last eight, 20%, you 00:59:08.019 --> 00:59:12.599 know? Right. Crazy. Also, I mean, with a lot 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:14.219 of bands, especially those that have been around 00:59:14.219 --> 00:59:17.539 for a really long time, if you're only playing 00:59:17.539 --> 00:59:20.449 one or two songs live, what's the point? Dude, 00:59:20.530 --> 00:59:25.449 that too. It's a great point. With this new record, 00:59:25.590 --> 00:59:27.530 we're going to play two or three of the singles 00:59:27.530 --> 00:59:29.610 on tour. It's like, oh my God, what do we bump 00:59:29.610 --> 00:59:32.190 out? You know what I mean? There's fan favorites 00:59:32.190 --> 00:59:34.889 from every album, so it becomes this thing where 00:59:34.889 --> 00:59:36.969 you're inevitably playing two tracks per record 00:59:36.969 --> 00:59:38.869 or three tracks per record, maybe four at the 00:59:38.869 --> 00:59:41.570 most. People want to hear so many deep cuts. 00:59:41.670 --> 00:59:45.590 Unless it's a second night in the city, you've 00:59:45.590 --> 00:59:48.369 got to choose. You've got to pick and choose. 00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:53.199 yeah yeah why put out 17 songs and then be like 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:55.719 oh yeah we're gonna play one two of those like 00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.880 you know what i mean live like that's the only 00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:00.400 time you're gonna hear those hopefully they're 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.860 the first hopefully they're the first seven songs 01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:05.219 you know what i mean like yeah yeah just avoid 01:00:05.219 --> 01:00:08.760 all that avoid all of that and it makes sense 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.860 too it's like it makes sense why bands uh that 01:00:11.860 --> 01:00:14.679 have been around as long as will element um or 01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.579 longer it's like it makes sense why album shows 01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:21.519 or album tours start making sense here and there. 01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:23.880 Like we wouldn't want to do that whole tour, 01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:25.599 that kind of thing. Cause it's just too much 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.940 being stuck in the past and kind of, you know 01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:30.059 what I mean? It's just, it's cool to do pop up 01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:31.980 things here and there, but we always want to 01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:34.840 focus on where we're at currently. But it makes 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.039 sense. Cause it's like, where the hell are you 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.119 going to hear track nine off that record ever, 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:41.119 unless you fly out to the city to see them play 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:43.739 it, you know? And I think that's cool. And, you 01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:45.800 know, if there were ever an opportunity to do 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.420 like, you know you know bands do weekends like 01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:50.639 a huge band will do like three nights in brooklyn 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.739 like i would love doing different albums you 01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:54.039 know what i mean like that kind of thing but 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.500 otherwise you know it's probably not going to 01:00:57.500 --> 01:01:02.099 happen how you want it absolutely and even if 01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:04.719 the album is huge i mean i've read interviews 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:06.960 and heard interviews from people saying yeah 01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.500 by the time we got to track whatever people were 01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:13.300 kind of lost so it was like kind of cool to play 01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:15.800 the you know, to revisit, but we noticed that 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.000 the crowd was kind of like lost because they 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.639 didn't know the latter half of, of the, right. 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:26.460 Yeah. Also certain songs are just not very great 01:01:26.460 --> 01:01:29.400 live songs. Like, you know, all our stuff has 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.019 a lot of energy and stuff, but you'll notice 01:01:31.019 --> 01:01:33.820 reaction. You'll notice the energy of song. Yeah. 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:36.460 It's just some, some are more built for life, 01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:41.920 you know? Okay. Where's the best place for people 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.559 to buy cheap heat? And ensure that you guys get 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:47.780 the most amount of money back in your pockets. 01:01:49.219 --> 01:01:52.780 Take it away, Ben. Does Venmo me or Nuno personally? 01:01:52.900 --> 01:01:57.679 No, I'm just kidding. No, creatordestructor .com 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.019 for United States. That's obviously our label, 01:02:01.059 --> 01:02:06.199 my label. And that's, you know, but also if you're 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:10.280 in Europe, Evil Greed. If you're in the UK, Lockjaw 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.719 Records. And then Canada. a thousand Island and 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:16.800 we're in Australia. We'll be carrying it soon. 01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:20.420 We'll announce that. But that, that all is just 01:02:20.420 --> 01:02:21.940 through us. It's through the label. It's the 01:02:21.940 --> 01:02:24.340 same pressing of records. You know what I mean? 01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:26.320 And so all these labels we work with closely 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.980 and we love them. So they help us out regionally. 01:02:30.099 --> 01:02:32.420 So yeah, just, but if you're in the States, creator 01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:34.980 instructor .com, that feels a hundred percent 01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:40.159 to us. Yeah. And where should people go to keep 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:46.250 up with the band? Um, the Instagram is the most 01:02:46.250 --> 01:02:50.349 like active, um, for sure. You know, so I think 01:02:50.349 --> 01:02:53.829 it's at a Wilhelm scream official. Um, but we're 01:02:53.829 --> 01:02:56.070 also on Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that. 01:02:56.210 --> 01:03:00.590 Um, but our Instagram and also our personal Instagrams, 01:03:00.590 --> 01:03:03.210 like when we're on tour, you know, Trevor's nonstop 01:03:03.210 --> 01:03:07.190 doing Q and A's and funny stories. And so, so 01:03:07.190 --> 01:03:09.750 those are all listed on Instagram too. So, uh, 01:03:09.750 --> 01:03:14.099 but yeah. Awesome. So much like the album we've 01:03:14.099 --> 01:03:18.079 actually recorded for an hour has not felt like 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:21.500 it. So I thank you guys for, for making this 01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:23.519 really cool interview. It's been a lot of fun 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.539 talking to you guys. And like I mentioned before, 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.300 the interview will come out in a few weeks and 01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:33.659 I hope that everyone checks the album out. It 01:03:33.659 --> 01:03:37.480 is a really cool album. I know that at least 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.400 the people that listen to my shows have a diverse 01:03:42.319 --> 01:03:45.159 um, palette of what they listen to. So this will, 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:48.039 this will work in nicely with a lot of the people 01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:51.440 that follow the show. So. Thank you so much, 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:53.539 man. It's great questions as well, man. Really? 01:03:53.780 --> 01:03:56.719 Like you said, it flew by. So yeah, that's how 01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:59.239 you know. That was great. Could go all day. I 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.099 appreciate you, Victor. Thanks for having us. 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:03.539 Awesome. Thank you guys. Have a, have a good 01:04:03.539 --> 01:04:06.280 one. Cool. 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