All right, so it looks like it's still recording.
I'm recording just the audio just in case. I
hope that I don't have to release just an audio
interview. Yeah, because I put a hat on for this
interview, man. I was expecting video, you know.
That would be pretty fucked up then. And then
that happened. How'd the interview go? I don't
want to talk about it. I'm ready. Let's do it.
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beginning of the episode was a little different
than usual. Yeah, so thanks to some storms in
my neighborhood, my backup internet connection
kicked in. And in the meantime, Ben and Nuno
from a Wilhelm scream were left staring at a
frozen image of me and them kind of going back
and forth trying to figure out what had taken
place. We were talking about, I thought it was
funny. Nuno mentioning that, you know, he wore
a hat for the interview specifically. So it was,
it was funny. I thought it to be funny anyway.
So, yeah. So this is a little different for what
I usually do on signals from ours, but I've always
said this from the beginning that everyone likes
what they like. All right. I'm a big fan. of
Bad Religion, of Ramones, of Rancid, of all types
of punk rock, which I think intertwines with
metal in a lot of aspects. And on the band's
new album, Cheap Heat, that's a Wilhelm Screams
new album, Cheap Heat, you're going to hear all
types of intertwining of... punk rock with metal
in different aspects, different hardcore aspects
as well. It makes for an easy listen. I'm going
to say that during the interview. And I've said
that a lot recently in interviews because there
are albums that are being released that are less
than 30 minutes long. And before you know it,
the album picks back up again and you're listening
to it again. It's like, wow, this, it's a really
good album. You know, it's easy to listen to
where it's like, eh, that's a skipper. That's
a skipper. No. I think if you're into any of
the bands that I mentioned, if you're going to
go in with an open mind to try to discover this
band, if you don't know them already, I think
that it's easy to get sucked into this album.
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on with things. So the first thing that caught
my attention when I got the promo was, wait a
second, Cheap Heat. Is that a wrestling reference?
It is. Yeah. So I was reading the promo and I
saw that later on. I'm like, all right, cool.
So I can actually bring up some wrestling things
with you guys. You can. Trevor's really like
the guy when it comes to like wrestling stuff.
Like he's always dropping like. wrestling terminology
and stuff so yeah i i enjoy wrestling for sure
but uh trev yeah trev's always the album title
was trev's um idea and fits well great with the
vibe of the record and all that even though there's
no like wrestling specific songs or anything
but he's always he's always listening to like
behind the scenes podcasts like on his phone
on just speaker when he's like taking a shower
or anything he's he's always uh in on the wrestling
tip for sure well they're they're is a reference
to uh a stone cold stunner in one of the songs
though isn't there there is good you're good
you're good oh man that might be do you think
you know you think that's the only there might
be a couple more now that i think of it well
you know what it's funny because in both cases
like with the like cheap heat right like like
that sounds cool like if you know nothing about
you know kayfabe or any of these like strange
kind of industry terms that like cheap heat sounds
pretty badass you know what i mean and uh so
it kind of had like a double double it worked
both in a couple different ways um and then with
the stone cold stunner line like it it's not
really like about you know the finishing move
it's like oh when you got like you know when
you got like your girl next to you You know what
I mean? She's like, she's a stone cold stunner.
You know what I mean? Like she's a stunner. And
so it kind of, it's great because you picked
up on the wrestling move term. And then thematically
in that line, it's like, you know, with my stone
cold stunner next to me, like, so he's talking
about his partner, you know what I mean? Or,
or I mean, whoever's, you know, whoever's listening
to the song and put themselves into it, but,
but yeah, that was, that's, that's pretty, pretty
clutchy to pick up on both of those. Yeah. Favorite
wrestlers for each of you? Oh, gosh. And I'm
only asking this because a 13 -year -old asked
me the other day, who's your favorite wrestler?
I'm like, now or all time? Same thing. Yeah,
all time or right now. Like, that's tough. I
was raised in the 80s, so I grew up on a lot
of WWF. Then, like, most kids, when they hit
a certain age, moved on to other things. Got
back into it with the, you know, WCW reemergence
kind of rebirth in like the mid to late 90s.
Right. So I'm going to give you one from the
80s and then one from kind of my newer guys,
which is still 20 plus years ago. OG favorite
wrestler. I'm going to go. Gosh, this is tough,
dude. This is tough. OG favorite wrestler. Iron
Sheik, maybe I liked I liked heels a lot. Iron
Sheik was just so hateable, like as a child,
like it was just perfect. It just it like it
just made sense. You know what I mean? So he
wasn't my favorite because I thought he was cool.
I thought he was awful. And that's what made
him so great, you know. And then when I got into
WCW, they brought in a lot of luchadors. So I
was really into the high flyers. And Ray Mysterio
to me was like, he laid a lot of the groundwork.
Him and La Parca was great. And obviously Guerrero
was great. But Ray Mysterio Jr. was like my guy
in the 90s. So there you go. Iron Sheik, Ray
Mysterio Jr. Okay. I remember. Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead. No, no, no, no. I was just going to
ask you if you had a favorite. Yeah. Well, it's
funny. I mean, I think, you know, Nuno. went
deeper into wrestling as a kid i remember though
i went to a match at the cow palace in sf and
i remember sting was my favorite and i it was
as i was getting into like death metal and stuff
so i think i just liked that he looked like one
of these norwegian black metal bands yeah yeah
didn't always though he used to be a glam band
guy yeah true i remember for og wcw with a bleach
blonde hair and stuff yeah but the colorful And
then the crow guy starts dropping down from the
rafters with a baseball bat. And I was like,
yo, Ben, I'm with you, dude. That was actually
pretty, really badass. I kind of, I kind of slipped
up. Sting was great. It was a great finishing
move too. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny you mentioned
Iron Sheik too, because it just reminded me like
my introduction to Iron Sheik in the nineties
and stuff was on the Howard Stern show. It's
him on Stern all the time. He made me laugh so
hard. So I liked him even better. Yeah. He's,
he's exceptional. yeah he was he was great all
the all the way up to the end i mean he was um
unfortunately had a lot of uh substance issues
but i mean he was a trip to read on social media
and and all the stuff on stern was oh my god
yeah he was he was he was a delight bro yeah
a lot of a lot of parallels between touring bands
and wrestlers i mean watching all the dark side
of the ring stuff it's like boy a lot you know
so adjacent to like the 80s glam metal and thrash
metal and all the stories from that it's just
yeah you get it's extreme lifestyle so you get
wrapped up in the dark yeah yeah that's that's
a good way to put it it's uh a lot of that behind
the ring stuff and they just did the um into
the void which is done by the same people as
well Which is really some dark shit, though,
man. Yeah, yeah. You had to touch on what Ben
said earlier. Like, you know, these guys, there
are a lot of parallels between like our world
and theirs in regards to not only the entertainment
side of it, but like just the day in, day out
of it. You know, like, you know, certain guys
get sick on the road. Guys get hurt on the road.
You know, we're not getting body slammed or nothing,
but, you know, shit happens. So like when you
get to see like the extremes those guys go through,
you're like, holy smokes. You know what I mean?
All that for, you know, a place in kind of a
niche entertainment world. I guess not really
niche. It's huge. But multi -billion dollar corporation.
What am I talking about? You know what I mean?
Like, you know, it's not like it's not like you're
coming home and your family's talking about who
won, you know, what belt last weekend. You know,
you're talking about whatever politics and what's
for dinner and whatever else. But those guys
are in there day in, day out, just abusing themselves.
And, you know, like you said, like a lot of those
guys have substance abuse problems because, you
know, probably because they're just dealing with
injuries and time down and, you know, messed
up relationships from being on the road forever,
you know? It's a tough way to make a living.
At least with a band, you got all your boys with
you or whoever on tour with you. wrestling it's
i feel like more like comedy maybe where it's
just like you're alone a lot you know you're
probably alone in a hotel room yeah right right
yeah yeah and i guess it all depends too because
you're saying you know a lot of the bigger companies
they're multi -million multi -million dollar
companies they're making a lot of money from
merch and this and that but there are a lot of
indie promotions out there that's similar to
metal Absolutely. You know, one of our good friends,
Ted, you know, from New Bedford is was, you know,
he just just retired, but he was a wrestler for
years and years. And he set up promotions and
did everything he could to bring wrestling, you
know, make wrestling accessible to people in
our city who maybe can't afford a ticket to go
to Boston or Providence to see a match, you know,
or Connecticut or whatever. So, yeah. And those
regional things are still popping off, man, like.
You know, you get guys coming down to his toy
shop, to Gojo's toy shop, like who are still
wrestling now and doing autograph sessions and
stuff like that. So it is very much kind of still
has roots in kind of a DIY vibe. You know what
I mean? You can still pop off locally like a
show would. You know what I mean? Yeah. Backyard
wrestling. Even Fest in Florida does wrestling
with punks. It's a match made in heaven kind
of. Yeah, I think so. I'm starting to actually
see it here where I live. where they're starting
up like small promotions and they actually have
bands play like intermission and stuff like that.
So it's, it's pretty neat. How about like when
Haywire was doing that wrestling shit, they like
immediately blow up. Like, I mean, it's, I mean,
it's undeniable. There's, there's some fun connection
between, you know, loud, fast music and, and,
and, you know, that kind of stuff. Totally. Absolutely.
So. It's funny because I've talked to a few different
bands recently who have corrected me as far as
what they're categorized at. So when I heard
Cheap Heat, and you read stuff online, you read
how marketing people want to put bands in different
boxes and whatnot. And the first thing that came
to mind was, A lot of what's been said to me
recently, you know, hey, we're not just a doom
metal band. We're not just a stoner band. We
are a heavy metal band. We are a rock band. We
are this. We are that. What's the weirdest thing
that's been attached to you guys where you guys
have said, what? I don't know. Most of the write
-ups over the years have either classified us
as like a skate punk band or a melodic hardcore
band or melodic punk band. And I'm like, yeah,
dude, like we have songs that hit every genre
there. You know, people are like, oh, they're
kind of like a metal punk band. I'm like, yeah,
we're that too sometimes. You know what I mean?
Like, but as far as like the weirdest classification,
I don't know, like emo maybe? oh emo means something
different now than it did back like you know
what i mean like you know emk is not in our band
so like i don't know what they're talking about
but uh i don't know have we ever been called
emo maybe i'm making that up i don't know but
i mean there's like a couple tracks on ruiner
that could kind of fall under that category almost
you know like no way maybe not that soft but
yeah i mean yeah you know all of us love that
kind of stuff early emo and indie and stuff but
i don't know yeah i haven't heard any any descriptions
too wild you know when people sometimes people
say oh they're a hardcore band or they're a pop
punk band and i'm like that's interesting like
i wouldn't call it that but then again i don't
really have a proper phrase to call it like yeah
yeah that's all i feel too i'm like yeah ultimately
it's a punk band but you know i don't know yeah
okay and i grew up in new jersey so i always
i've always felt that bands that are from the
northeast from jersey on up the coast I've always
had a certain type of attitude, swagger, aggression
to them, where I think it kind of has a lot to
do with how fast paced life is in the Northeast.
Listening to your music, listening to Cheap Heat
specifically, I get that from you guys. You know,
I definitely would not peg you guys from any
other part of the country. Do you think that's
fair? Yeah, I think that's fair. we even we even
go one step further and drop like street names
from like that nobody outside of some people
not even in the city would would not catch the
reference about some far north end street that
gets dropped in a lyric you know what i mean
um but yeah we've always thought like and i'm
like like i like what you said there like being
from new jersey you saw you know a lot of bands
and i feel like those bands not only kind of
um use or kind of metamorphosize that pace of
life and like kind of the gritty cold attitude
sometime um and use that in their music uh but
i also think that kind of the edge that comes
from a lot of bands out here in the northeast
or whatever it's just that it's hard it's hard
to make it so if you've made it to a certain
level you've already busted your ass like playing
shitty shows driving overnight for sometimes
for years before you can get in front of like
a nice crowd in the city or something like that.
You know what I mean? Right. So I think, I think
that, uh, I think we definitely channel a lot
of like our region into our music. Um, but like
our region kind of shaped us too. You know what
I mean? Um, like you, like you were saying, you
know what I mean? The pace of life or sometimes
just being locked in the house for like three
months. Cause it's freezing cold outside. You
just in the basement jamming, writing tunes.
You know what I mean? So. So, yeah. And I mean,
being from Jersey, you know, there's I mean,
all the great East Coast bands are from Jersey,
even if they say they're from New York, they're
from Jersey, man. Like, so, you know what I mean?
It's it's really something. And we're really
happy to be a part of that, like kind of northeast
kind of, you know, community of musicians. We
take a lot of pride in that, you know. Yeah.
Ben's from Ben's from the opposite coast. You
know what I mean? But like their music is hard
as hell, too. You know what I mean? Like. the
hardcore scene out in california has always been
popping and like sometimes i remember being an
east coast kid growing up like what are these
guys so how are they mad like they don't have
to ride the subway dude they don't have to like
step in piss puddles it's los angeles man like
it's sunny you know but i mean it just goes to
show you you know like um things regardless of
of your situation regionally can still be the
same you know what i mean like we're still picking
up on the same vibes you know uh similar undercurrents
or whatever you know in the scene or in society
yeah yeah it was cool coming it coming into the
fold in 2023 i've known these guys for 20 years
but being the california kid joining the band
it's like you know it really is all the down
to the slang and you know how nuno and trev pronounce
their r's and their lyrics you know what i mean
and and everything it's just who they are you
know what i mean they're new bedford guys you
know what i mean and it's it's completely it's
it's funny because with anything i guess with
hip -hop with 90s punk with 2000s metal and hardcore
anything there's always like a defined difference
in the coast and i think it is totally what you
said you know like it's the conditions it's the
lifestyle it's you know all these things and
it's usually a little grittier like you know
even like the boom bap stuff versus the g funk
stuff and like sure it's just like there's a
light there's a lightness out here not to say
that there's there's not hard cold as ice bands,
but Wilhelm's always been unique to me in that
sense. And it's like, it was a style heavily
influenced by a lot of the West coast stuff.
Well, obviously a ton of East coast stuff, but
in terms of West coast stuff, but it can't, they
inevitably will have their own flair, you know,
their own, their own style and swag. And I like
that a lot about the new record too, is they
put that on front street, like completely. Okay.
Yeah. I was actually going to ask how much new
Bedford colored the band. uh, from the start.
So it's, you kind of touched upon it there, Nuno
and Ben, for you to come in to the band, you
know, as you're saying, you've known them forever,
but it's different knowing them to actually being
a part of the unit and actually having to live,
you know, the same things that they're living
or seeing things firsthand. How did, how do you
feel that new Bedford has colored the band and
how has it helped color you as joining the, uh,
the band itself? All right. That's an awesome
question. I mean, I love New Bedford so much.
I had only been there before I joined the band.
I'd only been there once or twice to hang with
the guys. But since then, I mean, it's like my
home away from home. It's the other place I spend
most of my time outside of California. And I
love it. I mean, it's just. it's just got so
much heart and it really was clear from the start
how it informed the band like it all made sense
just meeting all their friends all their homies
that they've had for two plus decades and just
everyone's families and you know hanging out
walking down the streets non -stop and exploring
the town and seeing all parts of it it's like
he really clicked in and made sense and you know
how how it kind of build built those guys characters
you know in a specific way and um to me clicked
right in place as to why they've never stopped
and been around for 20 minutes always gone hard
and never given up and just like the persistence
that kind of like that hardened quality of the
east coast you know which a lot of bands wouldn't
have been able to stand the test of time you
know and new bedford kind of stands the test
of time you know it's it's an old city it's a
strong city so it all made sense to me yeah and
i love it shout out poor farm shout out purchase
street yeah You know, the other thing that I
wanted to bring up, a lot of people that I knew
growing up were Portuguese, especially because
my father came from the construction industry.
And a lot. All right. There were a lot of construction
workers that were Portuguese in that era. My
family descends from Spain. And it's always funny
to talk to people that don't imagine they're
being like. rock metal punk influence in spain
or from people that are hispanic or whatever
right um so for you growing up and getting into
this style of music um was it always accepted
within your family were you seen as an outsider
by your friend or by your friends or family or
other people that were portuguese um it was it
was interesting my family were were very pretty
much recent immigrants they immigrated in the
70s uh to new bedford which is you know one of
the outside of newark new jersey like the second
or third largest portuguese population outside
of portugal yeah um that was a trip to me when
i found out because like growing up here it's
kind of you're kind of in this like Everyone's
a little Portuguese, but outside of here, like,
you know, no one else is Portuguese. We're all
here, you know, and finding out there was a massive
Portuguese population in Newark and all throughout
New Jersey. What was kind of cool, I think, because
of my my mom and my uncle's age, when they came
over here, they were still kind of in the mix.
You know, my uncle was kind of a mover and shaker.
He would, you know, he. played bass a little
bit. He loved, whenever he would babysit my sister
and I as infants, he would always play like,
you know, Pink Floyd records or like Thin Lizzy
records or whatever he had that seemed to stoke
us out. So like the rock and roll stuff was huge.
He loved it. He was a young, you know, kind of
full of life Portuguese who was just out there
loving the American kind of scene, you know.
So that kind of stuff was always in the house.
And even though Portuguese people are generally
stereotypically conservative kind of Catholics,
like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, that's
that's bad stuff or whatever, you know, I think
at the time it was kind of OK. Like so as I got
older and, you know, I was. I was left alone
at home a lot with a record player and my mom's
and some of my uncle's record collection. I would
just come home and like put on records all the
time and just rock out. Like I would mess with
the RPMs to make like songs faster or slower
and creepy or whatever. You know what I mean?
Music, that kind of stuff was totally fine. When
I got into like, like kind of like the hair metal
and then like early. like rap and hip -hop music
i didn't play that around the house i listened
to that at my friend's house because i knew like
some of that stuff was like okay you know like
a little bit would have been a little bit too
much for them but um yeah mtv was on on the house
all the time back in the 80s and 90s so like
metallica and like you know as i got older headbangers
ball was a thing for me so uh but everyone was
asleep so like it was okay um i think what's
i think probably more difficult for a lot of
uh you know children of of immigrants is to like
go to your mom who busted her ass for 25 years
to get her you know a degree and provide for
her family and go like i'm not going to college
i want to do rock and roll stuff i want to be
in my band forever that's a tough self for for
most parents it's an even tougher self for like
uh i've got to get I hope my mom doesn't watch
this. Hard Portuguese. You know what I mean?
Like, hard working. What are you doing with your
life? You got to make some money and do this
the right way type parenting. But, hey, you know,
as things moved along, she realized, like, I'm
doing something I love. And that it's brought
me around the world countless times. Introduced
me to some of the greatest people I'll ever know
in my life. And she softened up a bit, too, now
that, you know, as she got older. And she's like,
hey. you know, maybe it's a good thing you didn't
go to school. Like she was a professor for years.
She's like, the kids are idiots anyway. Like
they don't learn nothing. Like, thank God you
have a passport, you know, type shit. But it
was, it was different. You know, a lot of Portuguese
kids in our area couldn't listen to Metallica.
They couldn't wear, you know, band shirts, you
know what I mean? Like they were, it was, it
was, it was tough for some of those kids. So,
but I think that's true of most kind of hard
work and blue collar immigrant communities. You
don't want to, you know, the nail that sticks
up gets hammered down type shit. You know what
I mean? So it can be tough. And I'm sure it caused
a lot of rifts back in the day. It's coming home
with like a, like a, ain't an earring or some
shit. You know what I mean? And then your hardcore
porting, your dad thinks you're gay or something
like, you know what I mean? I'm sure that happened
all over the place. You know what I'm saying?
Like, so it's, it's, it was different, but I
mean, our culture here, like is also very supportive.
The family's huge. You know what I mean? And
like, no matter what, like, Whether you're a
drunk who's trying to get better, crash his car,
your family's embarrassed, but they're going
to take care of you. You know what I mean? So
I'm pretty proud to be Portuguese -American.
But then again, I'm one of the lucky ones who
didn't get his ass slapped around when he was
caught listening to Black Sabbath. You know what
I mean? Yeah, I hear you. A lot of similarities,
believe me. Yeah, yeah. So this is album number
six for you guys. Was there anything specific
that you guys wanted to do with this album? I
mean, before you guys start writing an album,
do you set up like a map that you guys want to
follow or you just kind of let things fly? I
think you let things fly and then whatever sticks
you make the map out of kind of like ideas are
always coming and flowing and being shared. I
think in general too, in our experience, like
the, the mood kind of dictates the, the, the,
like the vibe of the record. So if you're writing
songs that are just like, Oh, this is pretty
pissed and fast. You know what I mean? Like you
can be like, Oh, I like this, you know, to get
into that pissed fast mode. You know what I mean?
Right. And, but I mean, our band is very, very
dynamic. You know what I mean? So, I feel like
this record is a little bit more straight ahead,
like in your face, like punch you in the gut
type stuff. But there are moments in, in some
of these songs that you're like, Whoa, like that,
that turn was crazy. Like this isn't the same
punch you in the stomach song right now. They're
on like this weird bridge and it's like beautiful.
You know what I mean? Like, I think that's, that's
something that happens. But for years, since
even with Ben and the band, band came in with
songs, like check this out. And those songs were
all on the record. You know, that's Ben. That's
Ben's writing. You know, that's not me, Trevor
and Nick and New Bedford, like jamming ideas.
You know what I mean? That's this powerhouse
that we now have in our arsenal being like, boom,
check it out. And that kind of gets us onto that.
I can't remember exactly how you phrased it,
but kind of like into that mode, so to speak,
where, hey, this is what we're doing now. This
is ripping. You know what I mean? So. that's
my my experience from it ben i'm sure has a similar
but different view of it right no i mean yeah
that you put it wonderfully um the first thing
you said especially like was is dead on like
um you know i i think the intention in general
um was to um make you know make a super fast
Piss to the point, ass kicking, like leave it
all on the table, like no frills, really. Record,
because the band has done that a lot in the past.
And there's moments of that on the last record.
But the last record, Lose Your Delusion, was
super sincere, kind of the most personal in some
ways that Trevor and Nuno got, you know, lyrically,
you know, not to speak for them. But and so it's
just as a band, you know, six LPs in, it's like.
you have a a lot of bags of tricks you know musically
lyrically vibe wise and it's you know doing the
same thing too many times in a row it's just
a natural thing to go okay yeah let's get back
into this mode or something from do these kinds
of parts from past records and for me it was
it was really easy to come in still objectively
because wilhelm was my favorite band of all time
and still is but i was a super fan you know joint
putting out the records and then joining the
band so i still have I guess maybe I have a more
objective lens coming in fresh. And so I kind
of wrote all the, my favorite kind of Wilhelm
parts or whatever, and they ended up being very
shreddy and fast. Cause I, I'm just like a metal
head, you know, from my teenage years and I love
fast music and stuff, but, but yeah, what Nuno
said at the beginning, like we kind of wrote
a bunch of songs, you know, everyone, we, everyone
was writing riffs and vibing and, You know, once
if you're going for a full length, 10 songs or
something, once over half of them, once you have
five or seven, you're like, OK, this is a certain
vibe, you know, like, OK, well, this is definitely
let's let's lean into this. And, you know, maybe
a couple songs that are not breakneck tempos,
just so it's a nice listening experience and
it's not just like fatiguing. But but yeah, I
mean, there were two songs that were going to
be on the record. One is like a long, epic journey.
and the other is and it just didn't it was too
sprawling to fit in the kind of punch you in
the face shorter songs let's keep it flowing
record um vibe and the other song was just too
heavy lyrically like very personal and the tone
of the song is just very very sad and beautiful
and kind of like and it just didn't fit like
you couldn't put it anywhere in the record you'd
be like wow this is a deviation and mood completely
you know what i mean and lyrically it would have
been a kind of a deviation of the storyteller
kind of cinematic thriller perspective we were
going for with this one so it's interesting it's
always like and those songs are so good we're
going to release them later on this year probably
but You know, it just becomes clear halfway through
or sometime through what it's shaping up to be
and what should be the opener, what should be
the closer, what song doesn't fit, you know,
all those things. Yeah. Cool. And the cool thing
that I'm hearing from you guys, too, is once
Ben was included in the band, you know, you were
afforded the ability to write for the band where
a lot of other bands would bring someone in.
And you would have been like the last person
to have any whatsoever, but it seems the opposite,
you know? Yeah. The collaborations. It's a no
brainer. Like if you've been writing music with
the same people for a long time, you kind of,
not that you fall into a rut, but you kind of,
you have a system. Yeah. And not for nothing.
Sometimes those systems can need overhauls. You
know what I mean? When a guy like Ben comes in
with, Hey, I got songs. like there's no better
situation there's no better situation in music
in collaborating because now you're like oh yeah
let's see what you got holy i like this what
else do you got or like hey I might have a part.
I really like this part. I might have a bit that
might fit into that part too. Can we, do you
mind if we wedge some ideas in here? It's like,
absolutely. Ben's like such an easy guy to collaborate
with. And I mean, he's been in a bunch of bands
too. So he knows how the flow goes. You know
what I mean? Trevor's not this like dude who's
like, nope, I don't like, like Trevor's always
like, please more ideas, more ideas. You know
what I mean? More is more is like one of our.
like, you know, long lasting kind of mantras
in the Wilhelm scream, you know, you know, a
lot of people are sometimes less is more, not
more is more, you know what I mean? All the ideas,
because then you've got just, you know, then
you've got this amazing kind of quiver full of
ideas that you can just fire off or mix them
up. Like there are songs on, on this new record
that were like not put together quite right,
but we knew something was there. Take this chunk
out. Put this chunk here. Cut that one in half.
All the ideas are great ideas, even if they're
not clicking right away. They're great ideas.
So you just got to do that fun shit you do in
a band and like chop and move around. Oh, that
thing that was the intro? That's not really it.
That's a bridge, dude. You know what I mean?
Like that kind of stuff. And like I said, Ben's
been in bands for a long, long time. He's been
putting bands out. He's got an ear for this shit.
It's one of the greatest things, like, to have
someone come in with their own ideas, especially
when they're as kick -ass as Ben's were, you
know? Sorry, I'm not trying to blow smoke up
your ass all day, Ben. No, be careful. You're
going to make me feel good about myself. Let's
take our shirts off, bro. I appreciate it. It's
very sweet of you, Nino. I do want to say one
thing, which is, like, I think the coolest part
for me about it, it's a very Lifetime movie,
but, like, Trevor Riley and Brett Gerwitz are,
you know, I see your stranger than fiction record.
I have a recipe for a tattoo here, but like,
you know, those are my top two, like greatest
songwriters, like heavenly, where did they get,
how do they channel this and make, write these
songs and these riffs and these lyrics stuff.
And, and so Trevor's song, right. You know what
I mean? And it, Wilhelm's always been a collective,
obviously, you know, but like Trevor as a songwriter,
really. informed my dna since 2003 or 4 and so
it's like whatever i'm contributing to wilhelm
now is informed through him it's like it's that's
what's made my writing so when i hand it back
to him it handed back to you know what i mean
when i present riffs i bet it feels like a wilhelm
scream because there's like that's in me like
i like you know what i mean all my past bands
were all informed by wilhelm scream in some way
or another and so it's kind of cool to end up
in the band where you're like oh yeah i think
i could write sufficiently for you guys because
you're the reason i write like this like yeah
so it's really so you know trev's an idol of
mine songwriting wise so be and even in the songs
i brought in like The things I would bring in,
I would definitely like, yo, this is still to
Ben Murray. We got to Wilhelmify this. And you
hand it off to Trevor. He adds a completely different
part on his guitar, you know what I mean, on
his side. I'm like, there it is. There we go.
I needed the Trevor Riley. I needed the Bri Robinson
on this. You know what I mean? And that's what
makes it beautiful. And I got to see firsthand
how that process happens. And it just worked
out really smoothly. But it's been really cool,
man. Yeah, there's a lot of really cool intricacies
with the guitar specifically, where there's a
lot of things in songs that have caught me off
guard. Like, oh shit, where'd that come from?
That's that Wilhelm shit right there. How is
it working with Trevor as a producer? Because
a lot of times when bands self -produce stuff,
they don't know how to say no to things. You
know, you'll listen to some people's albums and
you're like, wow, the ideas are there. But if
they had another voice to kind of tell them how
to maybe cut this out or improve the sound here
or there, stuff like that. Some bands do it great.
Others, it's kind of a head scratcher why they
do it. But for you guys, what's it like to work
with Trevor as a producer? For for me, like as
you know, having I mean, Trevor and I have been
at this since 1996 or something. Right. And the
only times we've ever actually kind of had a
producer or someone like exactly you said, like
someone going, hey, maybe maybe extend this part.
Hey, maybe why don't we go for this sound on
this part? The only real times we ever had that.
were in the blasting room with Bill Stevenson
and Jason Livermore, engineering and kind of
producing us, but Bill had a real hands -off
kind of approach with us as well because I think
he didn't know what the fuck was going on in
our band either. You know what I mean? But he
certainly would come on and be like, hey, on
this part, I think he would have his producer
ear. Trevor Riley growing up in his dad's project
studio, surrounded by music his entire life.
I feel like, The producer in Trevor was always
in there. Okay. The engineer part of Trevor,
you know, was also building up. So as those two
things kind of started to really, you know, take
off, Trevor's now working with a ton of bands
in his studio. He's the de facto kind of producer
for a lot of these bands. He'll tell you himself.
You know, he'll be like, hey, guys, check this
out. 99 % of the time, they're like, holy shit.
Amazing. Thank you so much. You know, the kind
of stuff you really would like to have that that
outsider ear or the guy who's like in the studio
feeling out the vibes and being like, oh, yeah,
OK, I get it now what you guys are doing. Hey,
let's try this or maybe let's switch this up
a little bit because, you know, I'm hearing things
like, you know, that maybe you're not hearing
there in the in in the past two records. With
Trevor both, you know, engineering and producing.
It's been great because he has, he's already,
he's got the idea. He's got the vision. You know
what I mean? He's worked on this song ad infinitum.
Every aspect, every minute detail has been thought
about and combed over, you know, with a fine
tooth comb or whatever. Every now and again,
though, I'd be like, I wonder what it'd be like
to get like this dude. to come in and listen
and listen. Right. Cause like, I feel like, I
feel like we'd probably laugh 90 % of the producers
out of the room. Like, yeah, I get the fuck out
of here. You don't know what you're talking about,
dude. You don't get what we're doing, dude. Right.
So like, I, I've always had the utmost respect
and trust for Trevor's ability to know what the
end product should be. You know what I mean?
And. And he, you know, he'll make you ride it.
Like, dude, get in there. I need five more of
those. Whatever you did on the last one, give
me three more of those. You know what I mean?
I'm like, okay, okay. You know what I mean? I
might not know why he needs five of me saying,
fuck yous or whatever. Like, I don't know why
really. Maybe I thought the last two were good,
but he's like, no, no, no. Come in here and check
this out. Boom. You know what I mean? And I'll
be like, I flew two that way, two that way. The
best one right up the middle. Check this out.
And I'm like, oh man. Yeah. That's why, that's
why, you know what I mean? Like, so in that regard,
like we don't want for a producer, you know,
we've got one of the greats in our, in our band.
It would be fun maybe to have someone come in,
like that we trust and like, and, and, you know,
gets us to be like, Hey guys, like this song
that you're not putting on the record that needs
to be on the record, dude. Like that's, that's
cool. You know what I mean? Like, and again,
uh we've had we we were offered that luxury a
few times with the blasting room sessions and
they were excellent you know those records were
phenomenal there were songs that we went in there
with and bill's like nope that's not making the
record like you know you're like oh man like
dude well we worked on that you know what i mean
like but that that's the way it goes that's that's
showbiz baby uh ben's worked with countless producers
in his own bands and with bands that he record
puts out too i'm sure so i don't know what your
your take on that is ben but no it's yeah it's
trev is like dude he's such a workhorse he's
just i mean you know like i mean in his words
he's it's his mental illness you know but he's
a perfectionist who you know who likes imperfections
too do you know what i mean but he'll work on
it until the bitter end and it's like even i
have a funny screenshot in my phone that it's
like I think a few nights before we turned in
the master, it's like Trevor Riley uploaded 77
tracks. This is like new mixes. He's just, dude,
when we got home from Europe, he's been in there
like every day, like 10 plus hours a day. And
when he's not in there, like he's... in some
other part of his house with the with youtube
on with like amp shootout videos and the latest
plugins and it's like he's a student of the game
you know what i mean and he never wants to stop
improving and learning and that's really inspiring
to be around and it's also it's like yeah a lot
of other producers might just be like they've
had their way for a long time they come in and
they kind of go yeah yeah but they're not kind
of constantly striving for, you know, new technology
or new methods. And, you know, and so it's just
really cool. And it was it was fascinating. I've
never met someone that works as hard as him on,
you know, and cares as much like passionately
about it. And yeah, it's just awesome. And for
us, it was so crucial to be able to just like
record in this house, you know what I mean? And
not have to drive or fly out somewhere and, you
know, do the whole thing. Yeah, like Nuno said,
at this point, six albums, I think we know ourselves
better than anyone. And Trevor, from moment one,
there was no doubt in my mind. I mean, it sounded
awesome from the start, even when it was just
tracking drums. But it's just like, I have no
doubt this thing's going to be a beast. And Trevor
and I would have talks on his stoop. We're smoking.
We're just like, yeah, this isn't sounding quite
right yet. And we'd just be like, none of us
have stress because we're never going to let
anything out the door that isn't just right.
You know what I mean? And completely up to our
standards. So yeah, he rules. He's really great
at what he does. And yeah, it was cool. Really
smooth tracking process and all that. Okay. Often
I hear that people switch from drums to guitar
are more rhythmic in their writing than just
people that start out playing guitar. Would you
feel that's... a fair assessment with Trevor
as well? Or do you think that doesn't apply?
Ben and Trevor both were drummers before they
were guitar players. Yeah. There's three drummers
in the band. I was going to say, I was about
to jump, jump right in and be like a million
percent. Correct. You are a million percent.
Correct. Like in their, in their cases, like
you can tell. And I think that's just one of
those. I think it's a very cool thing. It very
lucky to have. two drummers you know what i mean
or three drummers in the band you know what i
mean uh so and again like uh whether it's guitars
you know the syncopation of certain things that
way trevor's also constantly thinking about how
the melodies and how certain lines get delivered
in in conjunction with this beat that is going
with this guitar. So you're riding that or whatever
it is. You know what I mean? And that, that's
all drummer brain. You know what I mean? That's
100 % drummer brain. And we're very lucky. Like
I said, to have three drummers in the band. Yeah.
Even writing, even writing the songs and working
them out. And there would be many times, you
know, not many times, but a handful of times
where it's like we're working. Oh, what do you
mean? And Trev would jump behind Nick's kit and
be like, maybe like something like this. And
then Nick would jump back in and be like, maybe
this. And I would jump back in alternating on
the kit just to work out the part, you know,
like. but yeah it's it and you know and nick
always no matter who programs the demos and comes
up with the original you know when you write
riffs and you're a drummer you like there's no
question in your mind what the beat is when you're
writing the riff like you might change little
things or fills or different accents but it's
like you know it's going to be a d beat or a
mid tempo whatever but like And so Nick always
has his way of like Nick's another and Brian,
but we're talking about drums here. Nick's like
style and flavor and swag. It's like that makes
it sound like Wilhelm. So it's like if Trev and
I were to record the drums or something or like
show him exactly what we want it like this, it's
like that wouldn't sound like Wilhelm at all.
You know what I mean? So Nick's just a beast
and he'll come up with insane fills and reprogram
the demo drums. It's a very like cool process
that comes together to make the final thing.
But yeah, Nick always takes, takes whatever Ben
and Trev say to heart at the same time. He's
like, fuck you guys. I'm the drummer. That's
a great idea. I'm going to put my spin on it
or whatever. If I don't feel like doing all that
crazy shit, you're telling me to do, I'm going
to find a way to do some real Nick Angelini shit
in the same vein of what you're trying. But I
feel like that's true of a lot of not just drummers,
but could be a guitar player being like, Hey
man, like, hey why don't you try this be like
okay i'll try that yeah okay i'm gonna make it
cooler you know what i mean like kind of stuff
yeah uh well that's that's the beautiful thing
about being in a band that everyone enjoys collaborating
you know what i mean like yeah no one ever i
mean sometimes yeah it sucks when someone's like
oh come on dude shouldn't it be like this and
you're like i don't know no like you have those
moments you know what i mean like we're we're
best friends in a room together and like everything
doesn't always you know everything's not always
you know peachy keen sometimes you fight and
go like no it's like this no it's like no i'm
telling you it's better this way and then but
in the end dude that all that all that head button
and collaboration is why these songs in these
in these in in these you know records mean so
much to us you know what i mean yeah and and
it it takes a lot of trust in each other because
Because I guarantee you, there's moments, there's
no way around it. There's moments in the record,
I'm sure, whether they're a second long or something,
that when we were writing them, someone was like,
I don't know if I'm feeling that, or I am feeling
this completely. Guys, trust me, trust me. And
as it goes by, it just starts making sense. And
you forget that you maybe, I don't know, wasn't
crazy about this or that or the other thing.
And everyone does a good job at... maintaining
their passion and like selling their idea while
not being too sensitive or like you know taking
things personal because it's never personal it's
never like none of us would ever and we all we
all hand in fire like straight fire on the riffs
and the lyrics but it would none of us would
ever be like yo that riff sucks or no that part's
like we we're we're gentlemen with each other
and it's all positivity if someone doesn't like
something it's more likely that they'll be like
yo, that's cool. That's cool. But what, like,
what if we did this and like, kind of like kind
of build on it and not just go, no, I'm not thinking
that, you know, like, so yeah, it, it, it takes
a lot of compromise and, but it always just,
it just comes out making sense and feel. We're
all, we're all in the end of the day. We're all,
we all want the same thing. You know what I mean?
Like we all want each song to slap as hard as
the one before it, if not harder. Um, sometimes,
yeah, sometimes the, the pill is a little bitter
when someone's like, Hey man, like, you know,
Trevor might come to me and be like, Hey man,
that second verse, like punch that up, man. You
like the first verse, you killed it, bro. Like,
let's go, let's go after some, some great lines
for the second one. And I, you know, I'm, I'm
not married to any of my shit. You know what
I mean? If my homie who I've been making music
with forever tells me like, Hey Nuno. I know
you, I know what you're capable of. I, I see
something here that I know you can make better.
Dude. Thank you. Thank you so much for that.
You know what I mean? I don't want to be like
good enough. You know, none of us want to be
good enough. Yeah. And, and we're not, we're
not sensitive about it, about our stuff. You
know what I mean? I'm not going to be like, well,
I'm taking my lyrics and I'm going home. Like
I'm not, I'm not that. you know it does sometimes
you you know i'm up i've got pride certainly
we all do we're all you know on stage with this
is a thing you got to have a little bit of an
ego to be doing what you what we're doing here
um but never that never when it comes to sharing
ideas or telling your buddy like hey man hey
that's cool but the other part was so good like
why not but you know Hey, just work on a little
bit more. Hey, work on this a little bit more.
Absolutely, dude. Happily. Thank you for pointing
it out type shit. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, we all like Ben touched on
it. Like we trust each other, like the highest
level. Right. So Ben's not going to come at me
like personally, like, you know, you like that
sucks, you know, even if he thinks it does. He's
going to find a way to, you know, to come at
me in a way that I'm not going to get offended.
that i you know and be like hey man this isn't
really popping can we try this well like hey
you know add could you write a little part for
this section i envisioned some vocal type thing
going on in here and i'd be like whoa awesome
dude yeah i didn't know i didn't know that was
a section for me to write for you know type shit
so like yeah that trust and collaboration that's
top tier will home shit like that's just what
we do with each other and i feel like that's
the best way to to get the best product you know
what i mean yeah it makes it what will um sound
because it's like it you know you know even when
the you know um the the songs we worked on together
um on the record like you know there i remember
even times i was like what if you did you know
it could be the last the note of the last word
of a chorus and you're like nah it should be
like that and i'm like In hindsight, those little
moments, I'm so glad because it's like, I want
it to sound like Wilhelm. I want it to sound
like you. I don't want it to sound like Ben Murray,
whatever my preconceived idea. That might sound
too much like one of my past bands. Like, I want
Wilhelm to be Wilhelm. And same with like, you
know. drum parts, anything like supplying some
meat, potatoes, demo. And Nick's like, nah, that
ain't going to cut it. I would do something way
cooler than that. And I'm like, like, thank you.
It's going to take readjusting for my brain to
get used to it. But yes, like this is what makes
Wilhelm the five headed beast. You know, the,
the kind of, my friend described it as like watching
us live. It's like watching the inner workings
of a clock, just things just like constantly,
everyone's all makes sense, but it's just, you
could watch any part of it and people are just
going off, you know? So. Yeah. But aren't the
best bands like that? I mean, if you guys were
playing the same thing or just kind of going
along with things, you know, it just isn't as
interesting, I would think. Exactly. Yeah. I
mean, for this style, I think especially, you
know, but I think also it's like. And it's kind
of quite the opposite. Outside of me, when I
drive the Vittoria van and I'm listening to death
metal or something super technical and whatever,
like all of us really, and me included, like
love simple music. Like we love indie rock and
like mid -tempo songs and songs that have two
parts and hip hop and the most stripped down.
I think you can't write convincing tech. shreddy
music without having a solid foundation of like
songwriting and like less is more music and like
knowing because then it just might be riff soup
you know what i mean and no one wants riff soup
at all they have to have intention you know so
if yeah it's just you you gotta absorb everything
to make the songs kind of more meaningful so
yeah yeah over the last few years i've noticed
that a lot of bands are going towards putting
out albums that are in the neighborhood of like
30 minutes long which is what you guys have done
which i think is really neat because especially
when you receive the promos like they repeat
by themselves and before you realize it you're
already halfway through the album again you're
like all right i'll do it all the way to the
end again that was such an easy listen you know
it was enjoyable And then before you realize
it, you've listened to the album three or four
times straight as opposed to... Ben, he's on
to us. We got him. That's the formula. You're
on to us. But that's the thing. I mean, for so
many years, like with the advent of the CD, well,
we've got 74 minutes, so we have to put 74 minutes
worth of music on here. Punishing. Punishing.
Yeah, that's the point. Even if you love a band,
it's like, oh, is this finishing? Right. yeah
it's a waste of songs to be honest it's like
these days this day in 20 these days in 2026
it's like you know you still see rap albums that
are like 17 tracks and you're like my god you
know and they're playing a different game because
it's just streams a lot of these are interludes
30 seconds like they know what they're doing
i get more streams and stuff but back in the
day it's like double albums and stuff like this
and every track is four minutes it's like hey
different styles if you're if you're sleep or
a stoner band or you know any of these things
you should have six minute songs outside of a
couple it would never fly you know what i mean
even like you know what i mean that would never
fly in this style and it's not fun to listen
to like extreme metal's the same way it's like
who wants 50 minutes of that i mean my god who
wants who wants a five minute song of that like
there's just too many parts you know and Yeah.
Don't overstay your welcome. And there's plenty
of other Wilhelm music in our catalog. You know
what I mean? There's five other albums and it's
like, yeah, we just want, same with our live
show. We're not going to get up there and play
an hour and a half for you. like it's too much
that's too much you gotta know the vibe you know
and i'd much rather people be like let's start
that again than like exactly and then it's like
track or you know what i mean if there's seven
minute songs you can't get to track 10 what if
track 10 is the best you know what i mean it's
like on our record the closing track is one of
my favorites it's like such a ripper you know
there's no filler on this record at all but like
it would be a shame if people didn't get to it
and still with the stats dude i see all these
analytics it's abysmal how many people don't
get to like the end of even a 30 minute record.
So you're kidding yourself. If you're putting
out a 50 minute record these days, like it's
just good luck, good luck. Like you better put
your best stuff on the first half of it. Cause
ain't no getting to the last eight, 20%, you
know? Right. Crazy. Also, I mean, with a lot
of bands, especially those that have been around
for a really long time, if you're only playing
one or two songs live, what's the point? Dude,
that too. It's a great point. With this new record,
we're going to play two or three of the singles
on tour. It's like, oh my God, what do we bump
out? You know what I mean? There's fan favorites
from every album, so it becomes this thing where
you're inevitably playing two tracks per record
or three tracks per record, maybe four at the
most. People want to hear so many deep cuts.
Unless it's a second night in the city, you've
got to choose. You've got to pick and choose.
yeah yeah why put out 17 songs and then be like
oh yeah we're gonna play one two of those like
you know what i mean live like that's the only
time you're gonna hear those hopefully they're
the first hopefully they're the first seven songs
you know what i mean like yeah yeah just avoid
all that avoid all of that and it makes sense
too it's like it makes sense why bands uh that
have been around as long as will element um or
longer it's like it makes sense why album shows
or album tours start making sense here and there.
Like we wouldn't want to do that whole tour,
that kind of thing. Cause it's just too much
being stuck in the past and kind of, you know
what I mean? It's just, it's cool to do pop up
things here and there, but we always want to
focus on where we're at currently. But it makes
sense. Cause it's like, where the hell are you
going to hear track nine off that record ever,
unless you fly out to the city to see them play
it, you know? And I think that's cool. And, you
know, if there were ever an opportunity to do
like, you know you know bands do weekends like
a huge band will do like three nights in brooklyn
like i would love doing different albums you
know what i mean like that kind of thing but
otherwise you know it's probably not going to
happen how you want it absolutely and even if
the album is huge i mean i've read interviews
and heard interviews from people saying yeah
by the time we got to track whatever people were
kind of lost so it was like kind of cool to play
the you know, to revisit, but we noticed that
the crowd was kind of like lost because they
didn't know the latter half of, of the, right.
Yeah. Also certain songs are just not very great
live songs. Like, you know, all our stuff has
a lot of energy and stuff, but you'll notice
reaction. You'll notice the energy of song. Yeah.
It's just some, some are more built for life,
you know? Okay. Where's the best place for people
to buy cheap heat? And ensure that you guys get
the most amount of money back in your pockets.
Take it away, Ben. Does Venmo me or Nuno personally?
No, I'm just kidding. No, creatordestructor .com
for United States. That's obviously our label,
my label. And that's, you know, but also if you're
in Europe, Evil Greed. If you're in the UK, Lockjaw
Records. And then Canada. a thousand Island and
we're in Australia. We'll be carrying it soon.
We'll announce that. But that, that all is just
through us. It's through the label. It's the
same pressing of records. You know what I mean?
And so all these labels we work with closely
and we love them. So they help us out regionally.
So yeah, just, but if you're in the States, creator
instructor .com, that feels a hundred percent
to us. Yeah. And where should people go to keep
up with the band? Um, the Instagram is the most
like active, um, for sure. You know, so I think
it's at a Wilhelm scream official. Um, but we're
also on Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that.
Um, but our Instagram and also our personal Instagrams,
like when we're on tour, you know, Trevor's nonstop
doing Q and A's and funny stories. And so, so
those are all listed on Instagram too. So, uh,
but yeah. Awesome. So much like the album we've
actually recorded for an hour has not felt like
it. So I thank you guys for, for making this
really cool interview. It's been a lot of fun
talking to you guys. And like I mentioned before,
the interview will come out in a few weeks and
I hope that everyone checks the album out. It
is a really cool album. I know that at least
the people that listen to my shows have a diverse
um, palette of what they listen to. So this will,
this will work in nicely with a lot of the people
that follow the show. So. Thank you so much,
man. It's great questions as well, man. Really?
Like you said, it flew by. So yeah, that's how
you know. That was great. Could go all day. I
appreciate you, Victor. Thanks for having us.
Awesome. Thank you guys. Have a, have a good
one. Cool. Thanks so much, buddy. See you. Thanks
again. Peace. Later. Bye, man. Later. You can
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