WEBVTT 00:00:00.950 --> 00:00:04.750 Welcome everyone to episode 443 of Signals from 00:00:04.750 --> 00:00:08.109 Mars. I'm your host, Victor. And for this episode, 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:11.130 I bring you a really cool interview with Kat 00:00:11.130 --> 00:00:16.109 from Hoaxed. There's one small issue. There's 00:00:16.109 --> 00:00:19.370 an issue with my mic, which doesn't sound as 00:00:19.370 --> 00:00:21.929 good as usual. But I do think that the interview 00:00:21.929 --> 00:00:24.850 is cool as is. So I wanted to bring it to you 00:00:24.850 --> 00:00:30.629 guys anyway. So we'll get into that next. I'm 00:00:30.629 --> 00:01:00.259 ready. Quick reminder that in addition to hosting 00:01:00.259 --> 00:01:03.100 Signals from Mars, I've also worked behind the 00:01:03.100 --> 00:01:06.219 scenes helping other podcasters. 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I do think that the, although my audio 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:23.039 isn't great, it's okay. But you can definitely 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.479 hear Kat. You could hear her talk about Hoaxed, 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:34.560 about the new album that is dropping, Death Knocks. 00:03:34.990 --> 00:03:40.069 And I really wanted to get her on the show because, 00:03:40.069 --> 00:03:45.370 for example, this is in the vein that a lot of 00:03:45.370 --> 00:03:48.069 the bands that my patrons are talking about, 00:03:48.169 --> 00:03:52.490 like On Two Others and Lord of Lost and Creeper 00:03:52.490 --> 00:03:54.889 and things of that nature, where they're mixing, 00:03:55.069 --> 00:04:00.129 you know, more of a gothic element to hard rock 00:04:00.129 --> 00:04:04.460 and metal. And I think that Hoax Slots, Right 00:04:04.460 --> 00:04:07.500 in there. I think this is a really good album 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:10.719 and it sounds absolutely great, which is something 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:15.159 that we start to talk about at the beginning 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:20.259 of the interview. So I hope that regardless of 00:04:20.259 --> 00:04:24.279 how my mic sounds for the interview, I hope that 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.199 you guys still appreciate the interview itself. 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.680 I do want to thank John Freeman for helping set 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.540 everything up. I do also want to thank my patrons, 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.879 Stephen Saylor, Stephen Hoker, Jeremy Weltman, 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.459 Mike Jones, Brad Dahl, Mark Striegel, Gabriel 00:04:41.459 --> 00:04:46.819 Ruiz, Chris Vaglio, Metal Dan, Johan Erdström, 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:52.759 Ed Ferguson, Anthony Mackey, Tony Espin, and 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.259 Sean Richman. 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It will be fun as usual. 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:45.259 In any event, let's check out this interview 00:05:45.259 --> 00:05:49.220 with Kat from Hoaxed. If you enjoy what you hear, 00:05:49.339 --> 00:06:16.319 please pick up Death Knocks. Here we go. Welcome, 00:06:16.420 --> 00:06:18.779 everyone, to the latest episode of Signals from 00:06:18.779 --> 00:06:21.279 Mars. I'm your host, Victor, and joining me today 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.279 is Kat from the band Hoaxed. How are you, Kat? 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.500 Hey, I'm good. What's up? I'm doing good myself. 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.420 So you're about to release your new album, Death 00:06:32.420 --> 00:06:36.959 Knocks. That's right. Instantly, when I heard 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:42.139 the album, what really caught me was the difference 00:06:42.139 --> 00:06:47.680 in sound from your previous album. Not so much 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.019 the music you're playing, but there seems to 00:06:51.019 --> 00:06:53.639 be like a sonic injection with this album where 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:58.180 it sounds, it just sounds over the top how good 00:06:58.180 --> 00:07:05.339 it sounds. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I think the biggest 00:07:05.339 --> 00:07:07.279 component on this album that's different is obviously 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:09.759 April writing on the album with us. She brought 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.959 a really robust classic rock background. She 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.040 loves classic metal. And I think the biggest 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.959 thing she lent to this album is obviously her 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.379 vocals. She did a lot of very harsh character 00:07:21.379 --> 00:07:23.240 -type vocals on this album that really brings 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.660 a lot more character to the songs. And then her 00:07:26.660 --> 00:07:28.879 bass playing, too. It was just a lot more elevated. 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:31.160 I mean, Kim and I wrote bass and recorded it 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.139 on the last albums, but we are not bass players, 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.879 and April is a professional. And what she brought 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.160 was just a lot more energy and a lot more nuance 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.139 to the songs and what she wrote. Okay. And how 00:07:42.139 --> 00:07:46.240 long did it take you guys? Find April. Was this 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.240 something where you kind of knew somebody who 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.899 knew somebody who knew her or did you audition? 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.100 What was the whole process there? I wish I had 00:07:56.100 --> 00:07:58.319 a better story than this. We just knew April 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:00.420 already. And we've actually never played a Hope 00:08:00.420 --> 00:08:02.420 show without April. She's always been in the 00:08:02.420 --> 00:08:05.360 band since we started playing live. But we didn't 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.480 add her as an official member until this album. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.439 And that's only because we wrote the EP before 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.610 we'd ever played live. We recorded Two Shadows 00:08:12.610 --> 00:08:14.389 while we were like going out on tours and we 00:08:14.389 --> 00:08:15.910 just didn't have an opportunity to get her in 00:08:15.910 --> 00:08:18.850 the studio with us. But she is part of the Portland 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:20.449 metal scene. We've been friends with her for 00:08:20.449 --> 00:08:22.910 years. She's in a couple of other really rad 00:08:22.910 --> 00:08:25.870 bands. And when we needed a live bass player, 00:08:25.970 --> 00:08:27.870 she was just the first person we went to. She 00:08:27.870 --> 00:08:30.850 was the obvious choice and it was a perfect fit. 00:08:31.009 --> 00:08:33.750 And so we, I mean, we kind of, I guess in a way 00:08:33.750 --> 00:08:35.370 it was kind of an audition to go out on the road 00:08:35.370 --> 00:08:38.409 with her for a month and see how it went. And 00:08:38.409 --> 00:08:41.320 it was great. I mean, I. It was the perfect match. 00:08:41.379 --> 00:08:44.740 He was just there all along. Okay. And between 00:08:44.740 --> 00:08:48.559 Two Shadows and the new album, it's been a few 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.500 years. It's been a few years. The material, was 00:08:52.500 --> 00:08:55.320 it something that you guys started working on 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.279 after Two Shadows? Or is it something that you 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.100 guys decided a year ago, hey, let's start writing 00:09:03.100 --> 00:09:05.529 music? We've been working on it since before 00:09:05.529 --> 00:09:07.950 we were done recording Two Shadows. So the first 00:09:07.950 --> 00:09:09.889 song that's on the album, Where the Seas Fall 00:09:09.889 --> 00:09:11.750 Silent, we actually wrote that while we were 00:09:11.750 --> 00:09:14.870 in the studio with Two Shadows. So that one is 00:09:14.870 --> 00:09:17.009 over three years we've been working on that. 00:09:17.529 --> 00:09:19.269 And then the rest of the album was kind of a 00:09:19.269 --> 00:09:21.129 slow trickle. We were on the road a lot. We were 00:09:21.129 --> 00:09:23.889 touring. We were kind of getting like our bearings 00:09:23.889 --> 00:09:26.409 as having like a three piece in the band. And 00:09:26.409 --> 00:09:28.230 we just started like slowly writing together 00:09:28.230 --> 00:09:32.549 and experimenting. And then. Once we were done 00:09:32.549 --> 00:09:35.149 with our last tour, like we had 2024, we were 00:09:35.149 --> 00:09:36.850 like, we want to write the album this year. Like 00:09:36.850 --> 00:09:38.389 this is going to be the year that we buckle down 00:09:38.389 --> 00:09:41.190 and we write it. And we did. And then Kim in 00:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.649 November found out that she was pregnant. And 00:09:43.649 --> 00:09:45.830 so then all of a sudden we had like a deadline 00:09:45.830 --> 00:09:47.570 where she was like, I want to get these drum 00:09:47.570 --> 00:09:50.009 parts recorded before I have this baby. We were 00:09:50.009 --> 00:09:51.830 like, all right, let's finish this album and 00:09:51.830 --> 00:09:54.340 get in the studio. And so we were in the studio 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:55.879 last year, right around this time in January, 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.639 recording her drum parts. And she was pregnant. 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:01.580 She killed it. And now her son's here and she 00:10:01.580 --> 00:10:04.379 plays on the record all the time. It's great. 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.480 And so it says in the press release that it took 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:12.899 you guys eight days to record. Eight days. Yeah. 00:10:13.059 --> 00:10:18.059 Yeah. Kind of neat because usually unless you're 00:10:18.059 --> 00:10:21.519 recording from home, most bands take how long 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.350 to record things? I know. And we have a dream 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:26.269 of one day doing that where you like rent the 00:10:26.269 --> 00:10:29.289 house, do the studio, like spend months writing 00:10:29.289 --> 00:10:32.590 and recording the album. We tend to write better 00:10:32.590 --> 00:10:34.289 when we're like in our comfort of our practice 00:10:34.289 --> 00:10:37.330 space. It's just easier for us to write. So we 00:10:37.330 --> 00:10:39.230 had this album. We had all the parts done before 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:41.629 we got in the studio. And we'd actually we thought 00:10:41.629 --> 00:10:43.429 we'd be there for about 10 or 12 days. And we 00:10:43.429 --> 00:10:45.830 just flew through the parts. We like we're so 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:48.129 comfortable with them. We had such a clear vision 00:10:48.129 --> 00:10:51.559 for what we wanted on this. And Gabe. helping 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.940 us with it again recording it like he knows us 00:10:53.940 --> 00:10:55.720 very well he knows what we're going for and it 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:57.659 was just a really easy process in the recording 00:10:57.659 --> 00:11:00.799 studio we did two days on drums which is wild 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.379 kim is a machine like she just these parts she 00:11:03.379 --> 00:11:06.320 lays down and she did the entire album all eight 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.220 of the tracks she's on in two days and then we 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:11.899 moved on to guitar vocals and honestly vocals 00:11:11.899 --> 00:11:16.379 were probably the longest uh vocals were probably 00:11:16.379 --> 00:11:19.460 the longest uh the longest session that we were 00:11:19.460 --> 00:11:22.059 on recording for because we were experimenting 00:11:22.059 --> 00:11:24.259 with April and like getting that sound that we 00:11:24.259 --> 00:11:25.879 wanted on the record and giving her space to 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.200 experiment. But yeah, eight days in and out, 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.759 the whole record was done and I'm proud to say 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.399 there's nothing that we feel like we missed. 00:11:33.460 --> 00:11:34.740 Like there was nothing we were like, Oh man, 00:11:34.779 --> 00:11:37.340 we forgot to get that part. So it was great. 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:40.419 When you got into the studio, you're saying that 00:11:40.419 --> 00:11:42.840 you did experiment a little with April there. 00:11:43.340 --> 00:11:48.139 What did that? help you do for example is there 00:11:48.139 --> 00:11:50.639 anything that by including april in the studio 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.480 did it liberate you to do maybe try something 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.399 different or do something that in the past you 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.720 said no what it's better off that she handled 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.480 this now sure yeah that's so super fair i think 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.720 april brings such a power that there it like 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.980 definitely takes the pressure off of me to bring 00:12:06.980 --> 00:12:09.960 like she's bringing that behind all of the tracks 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.000 like there's this extra oomph that she puts in 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.720 there so definitely um Takes a little bit of 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.720 the pressure off me, but I did feel the need 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.659 to experiment as well. Cause it's fun. You know, 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.440 we're all in the booth. We put me in the booth, 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:24.960 Kimmy and April are in the recording area. And 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:27.120 then, you know, we swap and it's just so fun 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:28.960 to like hear what everyone's trying and get all 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.159 excited. Like do it again, do this, like try 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.299 something different. And yeah, I mean, I think 00:12:34.299 --> 00:12:36.779 I laid down more vocal tracks on this album than 00:12:36.779 --> 00:12:38.580 I definitely did in the past ones. We played 00:12:38.580 --> 00:12:40.559 around a lot more with harmonies and then having 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.879 April like she she can sing normal. She can also 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:47.000 sing harsh. She's got these crazy whispers that 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:48.759 she does. I mean, there's there's like so much 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.899 range there that she brought that it she had 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:54.100 a general idea of what she wanted to do on the 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:55.980 songs. But once she got in the booth, we were 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:58.100 like, oh, yeah, do that character like that voice 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:00.539 that you're doing is what fits this song. It 00:13:00.539 --> 00:13:04.259 was we had a lot of fun. As a result of that, 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.320 is there any song that turned out better than 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.700 what you had expected once you recorded it? Oh, 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.259 man. I mean, I think my favorite song off this 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:15.779 album is The Fallen, which I would not have expected 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:18.860 that going into this. It's like kind of a more 00:13:18.860 --> 00:13:21.679 like a ballady, like chuggy march kind of song. 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:23.500 And I tend to like the like higher energy ones. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.519 But what April brought to that song and like 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.399 what we were able to do in the harmonies really 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.220 changed my perspective of that one. I think that's 00:13:31.220 --> 00:13:33.399 also my favorite song to play live, which is, 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.200 it's different when you play it live than what 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.139 we recorded, but I, I don't know. I love that 00:13:37.139 --> 00:13:39.500 one. And I think it's because of how much fun 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:43.620 we had recording it. Okay. And as far as the, 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:47.279 the sound, which I mentioned before the album, 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.759 is that something due to the, how the album was 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.259 engineered, how it was mixed later on? Yeah. 00:13:55.850 --> 00:13:58.730 um i mean i think we we went into this one knowing 00:13:58.730 --> 00:14:01.090 that we wanted it to be darker and we wanted 00:14:01.090 --> 00:14:04.090 to pull april's influence in and make sure that 00:14:04.090 --> 00:14:06.789 it was like a very prominent part of the sound 00:14:06.789 --> 00:14:10.129 but i will say that arthur who mixed the album 00:14:10.129 --> 00:14:14.370 um he gave it all new life he breathed so much 00:14:14.370 --> 00:14:17.149 more energy into this album um he was fantastic 00:14:17.149 --> 00:14:19.289 and we never worked with him in person it was 00:14:19.289 --> 00:14:23.980 all virtual and uh he was so great at hearing 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:26.080 our feedback and understanding exactly what we 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.120 wanted and what was also needed for the songs. 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.559 And I mean, I think he was like the seal on top 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.059 of everything that just brought it all together. 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.720 We had this general idea and he executed it, 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.120 made it happen. He was phenomenal. Gotcha. Okay. 00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:42.100 What's neat though, with everything that you're 00:14:42.100 --> 00:14:44.700 saying, what stands out to me is with you guys 00:14:44.700 --> 00:14:47.340 incorporating April into the band, other bands. 00:14:48.429 --> 00:14:50.710 you know well we brought somebody else on but 00:14:50.710 --> 00:14:52.570 you know we've already written the songs we've 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:55.190 already done it seems like you guys right from 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:58.129 the start just decided that she was going to 00:14:58.129 --> 00:15:00.710 be an equal part like the other two like you 00:15:00.710 --> 00:15:05.250 and yeah absolutely yeah i my perspective is 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:07.389 like what's the point of doing it if we all like 00:15:07.389 --> 00:15:09.909 this is a like a band democracy like what's the 00:15:09.909 --> 00:15:11.350 point of doing it if we all don't have equal 00:15:11.350 --> 00:15:14.009 parts i mean it's it's not as fun you know like 00:15:14.009 --> 00:15:16.090 you want to have you all want to have equal say 00:15:16.090 --> 00:15:18.490 we all have a say in all the things that the 00:15:18.490 --> 00:15:20.190 band does all the choices we make everything 00:15:20.190 --> 00:15:22.190 from like the merch the songwriting to like what 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:25.409 tours we go on um and yeah i mean it's great 00:15:25.409 --> 00:15:27.710 it's it's really nice to have the support of 00:15:27.710 --> 00:15:29.529 like two band members who are in it with you 00:15:29.529 --> 00:15:32.490 and then it's also we all get to craft this vision 00:15:32.490 --> 00:15:35.289 together and make it exactly what we want um 00:15:35.289 --> 00:15:37.350 and yeah april was like game from the beginning 00:15:37.350 --> 00:15:40.279 we asked her we were like this is this is what 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:41.940 we're proposing as you being a member of the 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:43.879 band. And she was like, I'm in. And she took 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:45.320 it and ran. I mean, she did the album artwork 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:47.440 for this one. Like she just dove straight in. 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:52.879 It was great. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. The 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.080 band is classified as so many different things. 00:15:55.139 --> 00:15:58.379 I've seen hard rock. I've seen metal. I've seen 00:15:58.379 --> 00:16:02.860 Gothic rock. All the different labels that are 00:16:02.860 --> 00:16:07.279 placed on the band. Which one sticks out to you? 00:16:07.820 --> 00:16:11.399 And you say, yeah, I don't see that one. We, 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:16.179 oh man, I think it's hard. I have a hard time 00:16:16.179 --> 00:16:18.679 classifying music in general into genres. And 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.580 especially with your own music, it's pretty tricky. 00:16:20.700 --> 00:16:23.139 I think the one I'm most flattered by is goth 00:16:23.139 --> 00:16:24.659 rock. Whenever people say that, I'm like, oh, 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.259 thank you so much. The one that we've gotten 00:16:27.259 --> 00:16:29.379 that I totally disagree with is we toured with 00:16:29.379 --> 00:16:31.000 a lot of black metal bands and people will call 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.059 us black metal. And I'm like, weird. absolutely 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:35.139 not black metal like i will not do that genre 00:16:35.139 --> 00:16:38.360 that disturbs like love black metal we are not 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.960 black metal um but i think yeah generally like 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.159 i get where the the rock the hard rock there 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:46.679 are some metal elements we all love metal we're 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.200 in the metal scene here in portland um and there's 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.019 definitely you know punk goth there's a lot of 00:16:52.019 --> 00:16:54.720 them it's music you know whatever makes you feel 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:59.440 good Yeah, I don't hear any jazz chords thrown 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.879 in there anywhere. Yeah, we're not doing that. 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:07.640 We're not that experimental. No math rock. Talk 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.180 to us a little bit about the Portland metal scene. 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.220 For those of us that are ignorant to what the 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:21.079 scene is up there, what it's about, what are 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.140 some of the bands that people should look towards? 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.690 What are some of the bands that... you guys look 00:17:25.690 --> 00:17:29.970 up to or consider you know uh sisters or brothers 00:17:29.970 --> 00:17:32.430 uh when it comes to going out and playing yeah 00:17:32.430 --> 00:17:36.109 absolutely um the portland metal scene is it's 00:17:36.109 --> 00:17:38.869 alive and it's super supportive um i came from 00:17:38.869 --> 00:17:41.869 the midwest uh from like the detroit area and 00:17:41.869 --> 00:17:44.349 i came from there thinking like that's like where 00:17:44.349 --> 00:17:47.069 rock is and i mean the metal scene in portland 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:50.799 does not compare to the Detroit rock scene is 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.900 not does not compare to how Portland's vibrant 00:17:52.900 --> 00:17:55.359 metal scene is super supportive. There's a ton 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.559 of venues. There's always shows going on and 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.539 they're packed shows. People show up and support 00:17:59.539 --> 00:18:01.819 this community. We just did a music video last 00:18:01.819 --> 00:18:03.480 weekend where we asked friends and family to 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:05.839 come out and help us. And the turnout was incredible. 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.339 Like we had a last minute heads up for people 00:18:08.339 --> 00:18:10.880 like, hey, come help us do this thing. And they 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.039 all showed up. They all participated. It's super 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:16.859 supportive. And then in terms of friends, we're 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:18.980 really close with Unto Others. They're out here 00:18:18.980 --> 00:18:22.480 and they're rad. We love those guys. We play 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.640 a bunch of shows with them. We've done a few 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.640 like mini tours around the Pacific Northwest. 00:18:26.980 --> 00:18:29.380 And then the breakout of that band out of that 00:18:29.380 --> 00:18:31.380 band, a stress test. We're pretty close with 00:18:31.380 --> 00:18:34.319 those guys, too. I think those are probably the 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:37.500 main two, I would say. But there are. Yeah, the 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:39.339 Portland metal scene is great. It's incredibly 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:42.809 welcoming, incredibly supportive. Yeah, Onto 00:18:42.809 --> 00:18:46.849 Others gets a pretty decent play amongst the 00:18:46.849 --> 00:18:49.710 people that follow my show, so that's cool to 00:18:49.710 --> 00:18:52.650 hear. Yeah, we love those guys. They're great. 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:58.609 Yeah. When people talk about the Northwest music 00:18:58.609 --> 00:19:01.950 scene, they almost always point towards Seattle. 00:19:03.349 --> 00:19:06.450 Obviously, Portland, completely different state. 00:19:06.549 --> 00:19:09.390 One's Washington, one's Oregon. Have they ever 00:19:09.390 --> 00:19:12.829 tried to group you guys with anything related 00:19:12.829 --> 00:19:15.930 to Seattle as a result? Yeah. I mean, we, we 00:19:15.930 --> 00:19:17.930 tend to use just the term Pacific Northwest because 00:19:17.930 --> 00:19:20.890 it just encompasses all of it. But yeah, we get 00:19:20.890 --> 00:19:24.369 a lot of crossover between that scene and our 00:19:24.369 --> 00:19:26.970 scene. And I think they're pretty similar. I 00:19:26.970 --> 00:19:30.829 prefer Portland cause I'm biased, but there definitely 00:19:30.829 --> 00:19:33.549 is like a pretty robust scene up there too. Same 00:19:33.549 --> 00:19:35.190 thing, tons of venues. We're actually playing 00:19:35.190 --> 00:19:37.809 up there around the release. We're going to be 00:19:37.809 --> 00:19:39.750 playing at El Corazon in Seattle, and that's 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:42.230 a great classic venue. I always love playing 00:19:42.230 --> 00:19:50.410 there. Okay. You're on relapse. How big of a 00:19:50.410 --> 00:19:52.910 deal is it for you guys to be on such a legendary 00:19:52.910 --> 00:19:57.250 label that's had so many built bands? I mean, 00:19:57.309 --> 00:19:59.970 like, I still can't really wrap my head around 00:19:59.970 --> 00:20:04.299 it, and it's been four years. And when Relapse 00:20:04.299 --> 00:20:07.059 reached out, we had, we'd self -released our 00:20:07.059 --> 00:20:10.420 EP, the four songs, we put it online and it landed 00:20:10.420 --> 00:20:12.359 in the right hands that I got to Relapse and 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:13.980 they reached out. And when we got that email, 00:20:14.140 --> 00:20:17.079 I thought it was fake. I was like, there's no 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.859 way that Relapse is reaching out to us based 00:20:19.859 --> 00:20:22.240 on this four song EP that we put up. I've been 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:25.460 in a band since I was a teenager and I've never 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:28.079 had label interest. And then the one passion 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.900 project we did over COVID is the one that landed. 00:20:31.660 --> 00:20:34.079 It's a dream come true. I know it sounds super 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.500 cheesy, but like Relapse is a label that I've 00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:39.819 always really respected and loved all the bands 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:41.500 that are on it. And then being a part of that 00:20:41.500 --> 00:20:44.140 family has been really cool. And they are super 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:47.140 supportive. We hand them our album and they have 00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:49.460 no notes. There's just this is what you guys 00:20:49.460 --> 00:20:50.759 want to put out and this is what you believe 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.240 in. This is what we'll release on your behalf. 00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:56.059 And that's been really great. They just believe 00:20:56.059 --> 00:20:57.740 in what we want to make and they support us. 00:20:57.880 --> 00:20:59.799 So it's been they've been a fantastic partner. 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:05.779 That's cool. Yeah. As far as the physical copy 00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:11.700 of Death Knocks, what are you guys releasing? 00:21:11.779 --> 00:21:15.039 You're releasing vinyl, CDs, cassette. What do 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.359 you have going on? No cassettes for this one, 00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:19.440 but we are doing vinyl and CD and there's two 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.220 different vinyl colors. And then they always 00:21:22.220 --> 00:21:25.420 do a limited run of clear vinyl just for us to 00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:27.019 have too. So we'll probably give a couple of 00:21:27.019 --> 00:21:30.430 those away on our socials. But yeah, I'm actually, 00:21:30.470 --> 00:21:32.170 I'm going to get the albums. They're shipping 00:21:32.170 --> 00:21:33.910 at the beginning of next month and I'm going 00:21:33.910 --> 00:21:35.769 to actually have like, I'm so excited to have 00:21:35.769 --> 00:21:39.589 them. Cool. Yeah, we're actually, for those that 00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:42.470 are listening to this or watching the video version, 00:21:42.630 --> 00:21:47.109 we're recording this the 22nd of January and 00:21:47.109 --> 00:21:49.170 the album comes out in roughly a month, right? 00:21:49.349 --> 00:21:52.589 Yeah, it's on the 13th of February, Friday the 00:21:52.589 --> 00:21:55.849 13th, which is very fitting. Was that purposely 00:21:55.849 --> 00:21:59.119 done the Friday the 13th? Um, Relapse picked 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:01.579 that date, but yeah, I think like that just fits 00:22:01.579 --> 00:22:03.680 our vibe really well. It was like, it kind of 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:05.019 felt like it was either going to be a Friday 00:22:05.019 --> 00:22:07.299 the 13th release or another release in the fall 00:22:07.299 --> 00:22:09.099 around like Halloween time. And so when they 00:22:09.099 --> 00:22:11.079 told us Friday the 13th, we were like, yeah, 00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:13.559 that's perfect. That totally makes sense. That's 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.480 kind of around Valentine's or it is around Valentine's 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.180 day. There's like this, that dark, like romance 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:21.460 aspect of it. I think it fits really well. Yeah, 00:22:21.539 --> 00:22:25.019 absolutely. That's cool. Um, you mentioned shows, 00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:28.980 um, Where are you guys going to be playing around 00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:31.619 the release of the album? And what do you guys 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:34.599 have planned for 2026 when it comes to playing? 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:37.200 Yeah, so right around the album, we're just doing 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:38.940 a Pacific Northwest tour. We're going to play 00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:42.180 Vancouver, British Columbia, Seattle, Washington, 00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:44.759 and Bellingham, Washington. And then about a 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.079 month later, we're going to be back in Portland. 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:47.779 We're going to do our hometown release show then. 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.140 So we've got those four shows. And those are 00:22:51.140 --> 00:22:53.519 the only ones that we have solidified right now 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.339 that I can talk about, but we're working on tours. 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.240 We want to get back on tour so badly. We have 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.339 missed it. We really, really like to tour and 00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:04.500 we can't wait to get back to the East coast of 00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:06.880 the United States. I want to go to Europe this 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.880 or this year, next year. I want to go to Mexico. 00:23:09.099 --> 00:23:10.660 I want to spend more time in Canada. There's 00:23:10.660 --> 00:23:13.940 just so many places. And then like the top tier 00:23:13.940 --> 00:23:16.240 dream would be if we got to like Asia or anywhere 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.299 over there. So it's just. Anywhere that will 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:20.759 take us, we want to go. But we're working with 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:22.460 a couple of different bookers right now to try 00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:25.019 to get tours. And hopefully we'll have more soon 00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:30.339 to share. Cool. Yeah. I can't wait. Do you think 00:23:30.339 --> 00:23:32.299 history will repeat itself and you guys will 00:23:32.299 --> 00:23:35.640 start writing material for a follow up while 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.019 on tour? Probably. I'm already writing lyrics 00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:42.039 for the next album. I have no idea what the theme 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.019 is going to be. We typically figure that out 00:23:44.019 --> 00:23:46.400 like four or five songs in. but we're already 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.279 starting to write a little bit about it. I mean, 00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:51.299 it's, I think this last one, the stretch between 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:53.259 the albums was a bit longer than we typically 00:23:53.259 --> 00:23:55.059 would like, but it was just how everything played 00:23:55.059 --> 00:23:56.680 out and with all the life changes and everything 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:58.759 that was happening, it made sense. But I think 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:00.640 with this one, we'd love to get into the studio 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.700 a little bit sooner than three years from now. 00:24:02.819 --> 00:24:07.240 It'd be great. Right. And that will, I mean, 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.519 for a lot of people, a lot of artists have mentioned 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.880 this to me over the years that what they write 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:19.579 really encapsulates a part, you know, an album, 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:21.740 like an old photo album, it encapsulates that 00:24:21.740 --> 00:24:25.319 part of your life. So you guys are still, from 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:26.559 what you're saying, you're going to be figuring 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.900 out the theme and where you guys are going when 00:24:29.900 --> 00:24:32.099 the balls kind of just starts to get rolling. 00:24:32.380 --> 00:24:34.519 Yeah. Yeah. This last one, it kind of made sense. 00:24:34.579 --> 00:24:36.160 Like we went on tour with a bunch of black metal 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.240 bands and got like very in touch with the idea 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.539 of death and like, it's clearly a product of 00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:43.180 what we are experiencing and going through together. 00:24:43.339 --> 00:24:46.960 So yeah, this next one we'll see. I'm like, it 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.079 feels like there's another evolution that can 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.099 happen for sure. And we'll figure out where we 00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:57.400 land. Cool. Where should people go to pick up 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.420 death knocks that ensures that the most amount 00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:04.619 of money gets back in his pockets. Oh, that's 00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:07.859 so kind of you to say, thank you. Um, relapse 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:10.759 sells it through band camp. But if you really 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.039 want to get it direct, you can buy it from us 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.940 at shows. We sell it on the road. And then we 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:18.019 also have a band camp where we're selling our 00:25:18.019 --> 00:25:20.299 own merch. And those are like most of the T -shirts 00:25:20.299 --> 00:25:22.119 and that kind of thing. We're actually shipping 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.099 those ourselves. I get a lot of requests from 00:25:24.099 --> 00:25:27.380 people to sign merch. And I think like if it's 00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:29.279 the music merch, typically it's shipped from 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:31.480 Relapse on the East Coast. So I can't sign those. 00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:34.599 But if you buy like the T -shirts off our band 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:40.130 camp, I can sign those. Yeah. How involved are 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:42.549 you guys in the t -shirt design? You mentioned 00:25:42.549 --> 00:25:45.130 that April was the one who designed the album 00:25:45.130 --> 00:25:49.089 cover. Yeah, the new one that just is coming 00:25:49.089 --> 00:25:51.049 out that's with the pre -lease right now, that's 00:25:51.049 --> 00:25:53.650 Relapse. They took our album art and made their 00:25:53.650 --> 00:25:55.589 own version of it. But all the other t -shirts 00:25:55.589 --> 00:25:59.329 like Candle Master, the High Seas shirt, Where 00:25:59.329 --> 00:26:04.230 Good Won't Go, those are all ones that we work 00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:07.730 with artists that we like to make. um there's 00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:10.289 like a different artist on each one and uh it's 00:26:10.289 --> 00:26:12.289 all people that we just loved what they were 00:26:12.289 --> 00:26:14.069 doing in this scene and reached out to them with 00:26:14.069 --> 00:26:16.150 ideas and they came back with this artwork and 00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:19.589 it's a collaborative process but um yeah we do 00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:21.230 that in all of our shirts and i love it it's 00:26:21.230 --> 00:26:24.210 like this fun extra side of the music part you 00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:26.109 get to work with other artists doing their craft 00:26:26.109 --> 00:26:29.369 too it's great any artists that you haven't had 00:26:29.369 --> 00:26:32.849 a chance to work with that you wanted to oh man 00:26:32.849 --> 00:26:35.029 we do have like a short list of artists right 00:26:35.029 --> 00:26:37.569 now that we like honestly we see other bands 00:26:37.569 --> 00:26:39.309 t -shirts and we're like that is such a sick 00:26:39.309 --> 00:26:41.650 t -shirt who did they work with and then we find 00:26:41.650 --> 00:26:43.930 out who that artist is and contact them so there 00:26:43.930 --> 00:26:45.250 are a few people we're going to reach out to 00:26:45.250 --> 00:26:47.789 for this next run but um we haven't figured out 00:26:47.789 --> 00:26:50.529 which one specifically so we'll see we'll see 00:26:50.529 --> 00:26:51.769 but hopefully in the next couple of months we'll 00:26:51.769 --> 00:26:55.230 get another one rolling okay should people wear 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:59.069 your band shirts to your shows i love this question 00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:03.430 um so i do that Like when I go to see my friends 00:27:03.430 --> 00:27:05.769 bands, I'll wear their shirt, but I'm doing it. 00:27:05.789 --> 00:27:08.349 Cause like, I know what the stigma is and I don't 00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.109 care. I think it's fun to be like in front of 00:27:10.109 --> 00:27:12.490 them. Like I'm wearing your shirt. Um, I mean, 00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:14.269 I love it when people show up and they're wearing 00:27:14.269 --> 00:27:16.670 the hoax merch. Like it always starts a conversation 00:27:16.670 --> 00:27:17.990 of like, where did you get that shirt? Like, 00:27:18.029 --> 00:27:19.509 did you come to another show? Have I met you 00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:23.150 before? Um, so that's great. And I, I honestly 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:25.599 like. If you support the band, I'm not going 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.660 to thank less of you for wearing our merch. That's 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.619 great. You're supporting us. It's rad. And if 00:27:29.619 --> 00:27:31.519 you show up with another band shirt, too, then 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.519 we can talk about that band. Right. Yeah. What 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.299 about wearing your own merch? I do not wear my 00:27:38.299 --> 00:27:42.119 own merch to shows, but I respect it when I see 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:43.559 a band get on stage and they're wearing their 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.380 own shirt. That is a new level of confidence. 00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:48.099 I love that. I mean, all of our shirts that we 00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:51.069 make, I love them because I... we picked the 00:27:51.069 --> 00:27:52.950 design. We worked with the artists. So it's, 00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:55.170 that's, we don't make a shirt that we wouldn't 00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:57.309 wear. So if someone runs into me in the grocery 00:27:57.309 --> 00:27:59.029 store, I might be wearing my own shirt, but I 00:27:59.029 --> 00:28:02.809 wouldn't do it on stage. Gotcha. Okay. A little 00:28:02.809 --> 00:28:04.809 bit too meta, you know, playing the songs, wearing 00:28:04.809 --> 00:28:09.529 the shirt. Where should people go to keep up 00:28:09.529 --> 00:28:12.809 with the band? Yeah. We're pretty active on social 00:28:12.809 --> 00:28:15.950 and Instagram. We love to chat with people on 00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:19.529 there and any engagement. We're stoked on. So 00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:21.589 that's a really good place to find us. We also 00:28:21.589 --> 00:28:23.869 have a website. We're hoaxband .com and we're 00:28:23.869 --> 00:28:26.869 always posting things there. But I mean, honestly, 00:28:26.930 --> 00:28:29.730 the best place is live at shows. Like we really 00:28:29.730 --> 00:28:31.470 enjoy seeing people. We're always back at the 00:28:31.470 --> 00:28:33.950 merch table to meet people at the end. That's 00:28:33.950 --> 00:28:36.410 my favorite part about what we're doing is sharing 00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:38.430 music with people and meeting them in person. 00:28:40.450 --> 00:28:44.430 Great. I want to thank you for your time, Kat. 00:28:44.670 --> 00:28:49.250 Oh, yeah. A lot of fun talking to you. And the 00:28:49.250 --> 00:28:51.789 album sounds great, as I said at the beginning. 00:28:51.930 --> 00:28:54.529 And I wouldn't say that if I didn't really mean 00:28:54.529 --> 00:28:56.630 that. Well, thank you so much. And yeah, thank 00:28:56.630 --> 00:28:58.589 you for the time. Thanks for doing this. I love 00:28:58.589 --> 00:29:01.549 the name of this podcast. This is so fun. It's 00:29:01.549 --> 00:29:03.750 like Signals for Mars. I like it. And yeah, thank 00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:05.029 you for the time. I appreciate that you listened 00:29:05.029 --> 00:29:07.250 to the album and that you're giving us the platform 00:29:07.250 --> 00:29:10.269 to talk about it. Absolutely. My pleasure. Anytime 00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:14.490 you guys want to come back on. discuss uh hoax 00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:16.250 i'm more than happy to have you guys back on 00:29:16.250 --> 00:29:18.369 oh hell yeah yeah next time um we might be able 00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:20.410 to get april and kim to join me too he'd do a 00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:24.589 dual interview sounds good okay great yeah all 00:29:24.589 --> 00:29:26.690 right well thank you so much all right thank 00:29:26.690 --> 00:29:37.490 you have a good day thank you for listening to 00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:40.099 the signals from mars podcast You can subscribe 00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:42.460 to the show on all your favorite podcast platforms 00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:46.279 like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.700 Amazon, and more. Go to signalsfrommars .com 00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:52.039 for more information. This concludes our show.