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.com to learn more. So we recently had the Grammys,
and I know that there's a lot of people that
don't care for the Grammys. I mean, I don't get
bent out of shape over who wins or who doesn't
win. I'm glad that music that we love is being
represented, and I'll actually take that back.
I don't understand why Turnstile won a Grammy
this year, being that that album, most of it,
sounds like an 80s synthwave album. It doesn't
sound like metal at all, but whatever, I get
it. There's parts of what they do that's hardcore,
that's more metal -themed than it has been in
the past, and I don't know if this is like a
case in a sport where a foul isn't called, and
then on the minimal thing, On the next play,
they reward the team that should have gotten
that foul. So I don't know if that's years later
because maybe they should have been nominated
and should have won a previous year. They're
giving that to them now. What I was trying to
mention is that people are bent out of shape.
When it was brought up, hey, we finally had a
medal performance again this year because we
had Spirit Box doing soft spine, which I thought
was great. That's one of my favorites. songs
tracks that came out last year and that right
away see that's not my kind of metal um because
we've got purists that instead of being happy
that we're being represented and saying well
you know that's not my favorite band but it's
cool that there's an a metal act actually up
there playing You know, we're finally getting
bands back up there. So maybe next year they'll
have a band that's more to my liking. What I'm
getting at is that metal, the metal community
is so split, is so divided, and that when one
person props something up, there's always somebody
else to kind of shoot it down. Greyhawk has put
out a great album, Warriors of Greyhawk. I'm
still going to have people that say, well, there's
nothing new that's good that's coming out. Bullshit.
This is your perfect example of a good classic
heavy metal sounding album that you can get into.
Look, I'm not saying this is going to replace
Peace of Mind by Iron Maiden or anything like
that in your playlist. I'm saying that this could
comfortably go alongside albums. and bands that
you love in those playlists where, if you like
Unleash the Archers, Greyhawk isn't that much
of a stretch. If you like Halloween, this isn't
that much of a stretch. If you like Maiden, this
isn't that much of a stretch. Listen to the interview
with Darren. If you like what you hear, check
out the album on streaming. And after that, if
you like it, buy the thing and support the band.
All right? Welcome everyone to the latest episode
of Signals from Mars. I'm your host, Victor,
and joining me today is Darren from the band
Greyhawk. How are you, sir? I'm doing great,
Victor. How are you, man? Doing good as well.
So one of the things that really jumped out at
me about the band was how prolific you guys are
with releasing material. Since 2018, you guys
have released either an album or an EP more or
less every two years. When you guys start to
write material, is it for a specific album or
EP or do you guys just always write and stockpile
things? It's a good question. It's a little bit
of both, I would say. Generally speaking, I mean,
our first EP, Ride Out, that was our first songs,
basically. We'd gotten together and written a
bunch of songs and, you know, didn't have a record
deal or anything. And I'm a firm believer that
if you're going to go out and play live, you
should have something to either sell or hand
people. Otherwise, they're going to completely
forget about the band they saw that they never
heard of at that bar that night. It's those guys
that play those songs. What are they calling
it? I don't know. They didn't have a CD. So that's
where that one came from. And generally speaking,
our EPs are usually B -sides or kind of like
leftover tracks that we thought were cool, but
they didn't quite make a full length. But yeah,
when we write and we're sitting down and say,
okay, we're going to make some new material.
We've got some ideas. There's generally a full
length concept in mind. Okay. When writing this
album, how much did having a new singer in Anthony
Corso affect how you guys were writing these
songs? Very much so. If anyone's familiar with
the band, you know, we've had our old singer,
Rev Taylor, was our singer from day one until
2024 when he left the band. Rev was very much.
a baritone operatic singer. We had Anthony come
along, who is not that. You know, Anthony is
very much, you know, your Bruce Dickinson, higher
register, Michael Kiske power metal voice. So
that definitely, and I personally believe that
most individuals, when they listen to music,
they hear the vocals first. I mean, that's kind
of the first thing that people are going to use
as their judgment point of, do I like this or
do I not? I personally think if you're writing
melodic music and you're not tailoring your music
to your singer's abilities, then you're kind
of shooting yourself in the foot a little bit.
So it was tricky because the idea was we had
to pivot to suit Anthony's voice, but we didn't
want to pivot too far. where we're not being
true to what the band is and, you know, all the
people that have been loyal to us over the years
and bought our records. So, you know, we're definitely,
we appreciate our fans and our fan base and the
people who have gotten us all over the world,
you know, and flown and traveled to see us and
whatever. So we don't want to make everyone mad,
right? But, you know, you definitely have to
think about the style of music you're writing
and the keys you're writing the songs in. They
have to be in your singer's capabilities. Gotcha.
And was Anthony your first choice or do you guys
have to do a search to come upon the right guy?
A little bit of both, man. I would say we put
a search out there to say open auditions. You
know, Greyhawks needs a singer. He was the first
guy I put. And, you know, they always say it's
never the first guy. Well, I will say sometimes
it is, you know, because we put the ad up, I
think, on a Tuesday. He got a hold of me on a
Wednesday. And he had an audition in my inbox
on a Friday. So it was, you know, it was a combination
of, well, first of all, wow, this guy's works.
He's, he's a worker. He grinds, he's prolific.
He knows what he's doing, but also has a great
voice. And I kind of was like, Hey guys, like,
I know this is the first guy, but we got to take
a serious look at this dude. And, you know, we,
we kind of like put him in the let's have him
audition box and said, okay, well, we'll give
people some time because you never know. You
know, maybe maybe Rob Halford quits Judas Priest
next week and decides he needs to do gig. Right.
So you want to you want to you know, you want
to people or people are working on the song.
So you want to give them some time. But, you
know, I think like two weeks in, OK, let's have
this guy out to sing live because we our audition
was, hey, send us a tape. Right. It's very important
in 2025, 26 that you can record your own stuff
in this and work on your own stuff at home. So
let's have this guy out to sing. And we asked
him to learn four songs and he looked up our
live set lists and learned the entire set and
came to practice with like 10 songs ready. And
it was like, this is just undeniable. So let's
just not waste this guy's time or anyone else's
and hire them. So yeah, it was the first guy,
it was an open search, but yeah, he was the first
choice. Okay. And outside of writing for him
and trying to leverage his skills, what else
was, kind of plan of action that you guys wanted
when writing and recording warriors of grayhawk
um wow that's a very good question too um so
anthony came with a great set of skills that
we didn't know that he had um it turns it turns
out he is part of the nail the mix crew like
he's really heavily involved in those guys and
he's a very skilled audio engineer you know he
mixed and mastered lots of lots of things and
we actually recorded the entire album with him
in his home studio um and and now when i say
home studio i have a home studio behind me i
have like two monitors and a scarlet input thing
that's my home studio anthony has like a studio
you know with mixing boards and a drum room and
all this other stuff and he's recorded many bands
in there so we tracked everything with him um
and then we sent it off to henrik good who's
uh quite a big shot you know mix and master guy
over in sweden and he took care of that in but
yeah i mean for me i was looking for somebody
who can who can work efficiently you know who
could who uh i don't have to babysit um you know
i'm i'm in my 40s now i've done enough of you
know babysitting musicians in my 20s and 30s
so i wanted somebody who can be responsible and
and handle their business and yeah he's uh he's
been an absolute dynamite addition to this group
not just in um his singing abilities but in what
he can do behind the scenes and it's just he
also has like he's not an egomaniac he's really
chill he doesn't have lead singer disease for
the most part and um you know i don't want to
give him too much credit um but yeah he's uh
he's a great guy to work with so we couldn't
be happier okay so who officially produced the
album because in the press release it said that
henrik did the produce did the production Yeah,
so he basically, I guess it depends on how you
define that word, which is kind of a loosely
thrown around word in the music industry. So
Anthony engineered it. So we tracked drums, guitars,
bass, vocals, keyboards, orchestration was all
done here at his studio. We edited all the tracks
here and we got everything in a nice package.
Then we sent that off to Henrik and Henrik did
the mixing and mastering. so he uh he took care
of all that as i guess you would call that post
-production work so that was all henrik and you
know that's like he's a guy who's just i mean
he got he's done striker hammerfall architects
like you name it like so many power wolf like
so many cool bands he's worked with over the
years um so yeah if there's any musicians listening
like henrik good recordings in sweden is a guy
you should talk to if you want your albums to
sound awesome okay so And that's interesting
because back in the day, the engineer was the
producer. I mean, there's some documentaries
that you, that are out there available that they
say, well, producer didn't actually, that word
didn't start getting thrown around until like
the early eighties. The engineer is who kind
of did all that. Or he was a guy who had an engineer
in the room with them. And I would love to make
a record like that one day. Cause I know like,
all my favorites like all my favorite maiden
and priest and dio and records and stuff had
a guy who was the producer who was working from
the band from like this from like the demo phase
all the way up to the end you know working with
them on making the music and i think that that
would be a cool process to have somebody who
is just really knowledgeable you know saying
hey maybe you should shorten this up maybe you
should change this riff here it'd be interesting
to do that it would be probably difficult in
some ways having someone to be like no but it
would be cool to like hear people's expertise
and different takes. Cause as a musician nowadays,
most bands don't do that. So you can kind of
run the risk of getting stuck in an echo chamber
of just kind of doing whatever you want, whether
you should or not. Right. Yeah. So, so in other
words, you want to find your Martin Birch. That
would be awesome, man. Like I would love to,
I would love to do that one day, one day. That
would be really cool. But I think it has to be
somebody that's a, that's a really special skill.
I think that those guys have where they can.
have the trust of a band to take their their
music and their art and you know kind of mold
it and have them almost be like a an additional
member of the band for a period of time that
would be that take that takes a really kind of
special individual to be able to do that effectively
i think right on the flip side though um if if
you guys are engineering it internally uh you
guys are essentially doing all the quality checks
You know, there's also a thin line there as well
to know when you need to say, you know what,
that really wasn't that good. Maybe we need to,
is it difficult for you guys to decide, you know
what, we need to work on that more or that isn't
as good as what we initially thought it would
be? I mean, I think that generally, I mean, everybody
here is pretty, egos are not really a thing in
this band, which is amazing. And everybody is
definitely about the cause, but I'm kind of the
guy who has, for lack of a better term, has to
be a dick sometimes, you know, like sometimes
I'm just like, Oh, I don't, this is, um, this
is, and I'm never like, this sucks, you know,
do this again. Or it's more like, Hey, I don't
think we should do a, B or C, or I don't think
this really cuts the mustard because of a, B
or C. But when it came down to things like track
selection, that's very much a group group effort.
for this one we demoed about 20 songs 20 25 songs
i think and we all kind of sat down at my house
and we uh just listened to all of them and we
debated and we talked and we went back and forth
and you know had it took it took all night we
basically were there all night and um yeah we
just basically narrowed it down to uh the group
of songs that you see there um on the record
so yeah it was uh it's always a process and it
is difficult because everybody gets attached
to certain songs. You know, they, everyone will
say, everyone in Greyhawk will be like, I'm not
attached to this song, but they are, you know,
they, they, they, they are. So it, it, it, it
comes down to a lot of, a lot of debate, but
sometimes I, a lot of times I wound up being
the guy, but you know, I, I, I manage, I run
my own company on the side, so I'm used to having
to manage people. So it's kind of the kind of
part of my still set. Gotcha. Okay. Is there
anything that turned out better than what you
had expected when, before shipping the album
off to Henrik or even after when hearing the
mixes? Yeah. I mean, there's a song on the record
called hyperspace that, you know, I was not as
high on when we finished it, but when we got
it back, I was like, Oh man, this is like, this
is actually a really cool song. And there was,
there's a lot of when Anthony track is vocals,
there was a lot of surprises for me. Like there's
a certain note in a song called rise above where
he kind of hits this really almost desperate
sounding raspy scream that I was like, Oh wow.
Like never heard you make that noise before.
Right. Yeah. I mean, with, with, with Henrik,
we kind of, he was an intentional pick. He, he
did our last album thunder hard as well. And
what I did. with that one is i basically cherry
picked 15 or 16 albums in our genre by bands
who i mean not by like made like because a lot
of times you know you'll the producers will say
like hey everybody picked three of their favorite
albums everyone's like heaven and hell by sabbath
you know or or somewhere in time by our maiden
and it's like okay those are masterpieces from
40 years ago not necessarily so applicable today
so i basically picked like 15 or 20 albums from
now who were done by our contemporaries you know
bands like you know uh unto others and eternal
champion and go go on go down the line and just
think we it was it was a wide variety but everybody
landed on the album play to win by striker which
was one of the ones i picked and i think that
i think the striker are one of if not the best
band on like the indie trad metal circuit they
have been for 20 years um and i love that record
and everybody basically was like this guy We
all like this one. So we basically went to Henrik
and said, Hey, this is our reference point. It's
an album you made. We'd like you to take this
kind of treatment and then give it to our album.
So that's another thing I felt was a very intentional
move. Like everybody kind of let's pick an album
that we all agree. We like what this sounds like.
It's new. Here's the guy that did it. Let's ask
the guy that did it to do it. Cause he knows
how it's done. Right. He made the sausage. He
knows how the sausage is made. Yeah. Yeah. Makes
sense. As a bass player, is there anything that
you tried differently outside of just the overall
sound that we're talking about? Is there anything
in your playing that you did differently? Is
there anything from a gear standpoint that you
used differently on this album? Definitely. This
one, I used a very nice high -end Spectre bass
that Spectre made for me. It's a beautiful piece
of gear. It's actually right behind me. This
is my custom Spectre base. It's made out of old
growth redwood, nice quilted maple top, abalone
inlays. It costs a lot of money probably, but
they hooked me up with it, so I don't know. But
it sounds like a million dollars. So that was
one of them. The other one was I used dark glass
electronics to... get my tone um henrik of course
re -amp it and added a bunch of eq and and mess
with it so gear wise that's what that was definitely
a change for me to use uh some really nice high
-end specter gear you know plug for my guys inspector
i love them so much i got their tattoo um but
playing wise um anthony really pushed me in the
studio to try some different things um you know,
try a fill here or there, try this here or there.
He's like, you really, there's one part in warriors
of gray Hawk where there's this, you know, really
cool tapping arpeggiated part. He's like, try,
you're good at tapping, try something there.
And there's one song in particular that our guitar
player, Rob Steinway wrote called the endless
race. And it's a song he wrote for a band him
and me used to be in called Skeletor. And I know
that song, I know that song meant a lot to him.
And I really wanted to come up to honor the original
demo, which the original demo was made by, had
a bass player called a bass player who is a much
better bass player than me. So there was some
pretty crazy bass lines like originally arranged
for it. And I really wanted to honor the, the
original arrangement. So I really had to push
myself on that one. If you listen to the endless
race, the base on that is really, really wacky.
So, but I'm very proud of how it came out and
now I have to play it live. So we'll, we'll see
how that goes. Okay. And the cover of Warriors
of Greyhawk was worked on by Daniel Porta. How
obviously you guys, I'm assuming had a ton of
input on that. What was the original idea behind
it? And then ultimately how difficult was it
to get to the vision that you guys uh wanted
for the cover um so when i do album covers i
uh i basically try to make things um i view the
album cover one is obviously a piece of art but
i also view it as an advertising piece so um
i try to make album covers that stand out um
that if you see it on a on a screen if you see
it on a rack at a record store and we go i need
to know what that sounds like because that looks
insane So basically our inspiration was old,
the old dungeons and dragons books, you know,
or nineties, like RPG games, that kind of stuff.
Cause we're really trying to hearken back to
some of the power metal from that time. You know,
back in the two, the nineties and two thousands,
that's my favorite power metal. So we kind of
wanted something that was a little retro in that
way. And the idea was to kind of have all the
band members in like a D and D party with. big
wizard behind us. And yeah, it came together
pretty quick. It just kind of, once I started,
once we started just kind of having a little
fun with it and like laughing, you know, having
a good time, like coming up with this thing that
we wanted to make that was over the top and,
you know, kind of crazy looking. And Daniel did,
I'm in another band called Glyph. And Daniel
did the artwork for our last EP called Invictus.
And I really liked it. And he was, Really easy
to work with. He seemed to understand assignments
really quick. You know, he doesn't, he didn't
really have trouble. He doesn't really have any
trouble visualizing what, what the band wants.
Like when you give him an idea, he can kind of
spin it and start sketching it right away. So
he's really easy to work with and he's his Instagram
handle. Just plug him real quick. He's at the
pit forge. So if any bands are looking for quality
artwork, hit him up. He does a lot of great stuff
for a lot of bands. Yeah, that was kind of just
it. Like if you look at the album cover Keepers
of the Flame, which is our debut, it's like it's
almost it's like it's kind of ugly in some ways,
but it's really like eye catching. Right. Like
that's kind of my idea for album covers is always
to make them be eye catching. Like I love Riot's
album covers, even though they're hideous. But
like the steel makes you go, oh, I need to know
what's going on here. Right. Yeah, I get that.
We've had many a discussion on Riot album covers.
Yeah, for sure. Actually, I saw a vinyl version
of Naruto in the wild the other day, and I was
showing a friend of mine who's not a metalhead
this cover, and I was like, you know, this probably
looks like shit to you, but to me, this is gorgeous.
So the album is coming out on CD, vinyl, and
cassette. Yeah. How closely did you work with
your label on getting the album out on all those
formats? Very closely. Cruz del Sur is one of
my favorite labels. It has been for a long time.
I've known about Cruz del Sur actually first
hit my radar in the 2000s when I was playing
shows up in Vancouver, B .C., Canada. I was playing
with a band called Antiquists who were signed
to Cruz at the time. And I was like. oh, wow,
like I didn't know too many bands back then who
were on a label, let alone a European label.
So I, of course, started following them and I
found bands like Slough Fag and countless other
underground bands at the time. So I always wanted
to, I was like, man, I'd love to get an album
out on that label one day. So we tried a couple
of times. The timing just wasn't right. And then
we wind up meeting Enrico. at uh keep it true
festival in germany in 2024 when we played there
and we just hit it off with him he's a great
guy he's really smart he's he's funny he's personable
um yeah he's one of the best guys in in the there's
a lot of really good people in like the new traditional
uh metal scene and he's but he's one of the tops
and he's just a really good guy so yeah when
we were when we agreed to do this album you know
we kind of talked about certain things and i
was like yeah like these People love cassettes.
I don't understand it, but they love them. I
remember when I was a kid getting cassettes as
CDs came out, I was like, Oh man, you mean I
don't have to press rewind and fast forward to
get to the song I want to hear. I'm a happy man,
but some people seem to love them. And you know,
I, I get the nostalgia. I think it's very cool
having, I have a cassette. We had Thunderheart
and Keepers of the Flame come out on cassette.
And I still have one of each on, you know, in
my collection and I love having them. And I never
had a, problem selling them at all it's crazy
but i do now find that cds are resurging like
we're selling a lot of cds on the pre -order
and i'm and last time we were in europe like
every we didn't bring enough we i brought a lot
of vinyl thinking yeah everyone's gonna want
the vinyl of thunderheart and the germans just
wanted cds we sold out real quick and then after
keep it true our club shows we didn't have any
cds left and people were upset they're like i
wanted the cd i was like oh man i'm sorry i had
no idea Yeah. It's interesting. Every time that
different sources online seem to say, well, the
CD is dead and I'll see people comment. No, I
still collect them. Yeah. They collect them.
And I think they sound the best. Like, you know,
I love my vinyl. Don't get me wrong. I love one
of my favorite things to do is when I, while
I work, I work from home. So I'll basically put
on a record side, a side B and just, you know,
I'll just let her, let her rip. And I love doing
that. But I do think that as far as like sound
quality, that the CD is still the best, the best
quality format. Okay. And you guys are obviously
from the Seattle area. There have been many different
waves of music that have come out from Seattle.
Certainly. Yeah. Is there any local influence
that would surprise people that you think has
influenced you or the band? It's possible. I
mean, obviously, Queensryche is a big one for
all of us. I mean, a lot of people don't realize
that Queensryche is from Bellevue, which is not
too far from Seattle. We like a lot of the there's
a lot of classic underground metal bands here
like Q5, Rail, Fifth Angel. bands like really
cool bands like that and of course metal church
also you know kind of from the area we got to
play a show with them a couple years ago um out
actually out uh on the on the on the olympic
peninsula and that was really cool for all of
us because we're all huge metal church fans um
i don't know if there's any was surprising we're
not none of us are real big grunge heads but
you know sanctuary of course you know they're
they're they're from around here i believe um
so There's a rich history of melodic metal out
here. Bear Apparent, another one. We've run into
those cats every once in a while. So, yeah, it's
a very cool history. And it's cool to still see
a lot of those guys doing the thing out here.
And it's fun to play shows with them once in
a while. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting that a
lot of people forget that a lot of the bands
that you mentioned are from the area. Uh, you
know, when everything went down in the nineties,
it was funny that people all of a sudden forgot
that Queen Drake was from Seattle, you know,
the general area. And to me, it was always interesting.
Well, the, you know, this big band from, uh,
or, you know, when, when some of the other bands
were coming up, uh, they were saying, well, the
first big band from the area, and I don't know
how long since heart. And I'm like, wait a second,
you just had a band that's from the area. So,
Yeah. I mean, Operation Mindcrime is such a side,
like, you know, Empire was huge. Like Silent
Lucidity was a mainstream hit and all those,
like that was a really big album for those guys.
So yeah, it is funny that people kind of forget
that they're, they're from around here, but we're
lucky they are. Cause they play, they're still
hitting, they hit, I mean, I don't love casino
shows very much. That's the only tough thing.
They play a lot around here, but it's a lot of
times in a casino and those shows are always
a little weird, but you know, I prefer, I much
prefer. I did see them at the Neptune in town
not too long ago, so that was pretty neat. But
yeah, there's a lot of melodic metal and stuff
that's come out of here over the years. It's
pretty cool. The old guard here are super supportive,
and they're really, really stoked on some of
the new bands that are coming up. It's very neat.
Okay. The album officially drops on what day?
February 13th. It'll be dropping. Okay. Where
can people go to pick up the album and make sure
that the most amount of money ends up back in
the band's pockets? Well, if you're in North
America, you're going to want to head to our
band camp. That's where we're going to get the
biggest cut. And look out for things called band
camp Fridays, because when they do a band camp
Friday, the band camp doesn't take anything.
I do actually believe that the 13th, when the
album drops, is a band camp Friday. But we are
getting low. on our, on our stock. Like the pre
-orders have been going really well. So some
things are going low, like the blue vinyls already
sold out. The cassettes already sold out. So
if you want to get a CD or a black vinyl, the
time is now. So you can head to our band camp,
greyhawkmetal .bandcamp .com and you can secure
your copy. If you're in Europe, you can find
it there too. There's a link to order it from
the Europe, from Europe, in Europe. And we have
distribution over in Europe. So don't worry.
Your fees for shipping are not going to be horrendous
because we have a distributor over there and
they're going to ship it to you at normal shipping
costs. So don't be afraid to order it if you're
in Europe right now. For my friends back in Canada,
there's nothing I can do. It costs a million
dollars to ship stuff over the border. I'm really
sorry. It costs $18 for me to ship a CD from
Seattle to Vancouver. I don't know why. I'm not
the post office and I'm not customs. I can't
help you. I'm sorry. But yeah, band camp is the
spot or you can head to Cruz del Sur's website
too. Okay. And where should people go to keep
up with the band? Oh, our Instagram, our Facebook.
Those are the two most current sites. The handle
is Greyhawk Metal at each one. So if you just
search Greyhawk Metal on social media, you'll
find that. We're very responsive. Send us a message.
Let us know what's going on. Check out our posts,
comment, interact. We love talking to our fans.
So please don't be shy. Awesome. I want to thank
you for your time today. It was awesome talking
to you and the album for anyone who's remotely
into any classic heavy metal or power metal.
I definitely recommend it. So I do thank you
for your time, Darren. Thank you, my brother.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your time as
well. All right. Cheers. Have a good one. You
too. Take care. This concludes our show.