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one and all to the latest episode of Signals
from Mars. I am Victor. Joining me is Brad Dahl,
Jeremy Weltman, and Ed Ferguson. We are here
to do a recap of 2025. We're going to talk about
some big metal stories from throughout the year.
I've compiled a few different things we're going
to talk about. which I think will be interesting
to all of us. Edgar Winterson, thank you for
joining us in the chat. Hey, Edgar. Edgar was
correct that I would be loving that Corner album.
You remember he was saying that last time we
were together? He knows his stuff, man. Old Edgar
does. We need to get him on the live stream one
of these days. Come on, Edgar. Join us on Patreon.
Two dollars. I want my two dollars. I got to
find that for a soundbite to add to my board
here. I tried to get a good clean rip of it off
the movie and couldn't do it. Oh, there's plenty
of tools now that will help you wipe away all
that other stuff. So anyway, we're going to kick
things off with talking about the best -selling,
the five best -selling hard rock and metal albums
of 2025. What's that? Best selling? Like somebody
actually bought the hard copies? Yes. I'm seeing
that outside of the number two album. I don't
have the units sold for number two, but I have
for the others. Some of these bands we talk about,
some of them we don't. Some of these albums I
own, and I actually have one of these vinyls
in a box still, which I have not opened. So anyway.
All right. So what do you guys want me to do
here? Do you want to guess to see what each one
of you, one of the albums that have come out
this year that you guys think may be on this
list? Well, let's do that. Jeremy, what do you
think? Okay. Oh, I'm going to say, oh, it's only
just come out though, hasn't it? So I'm going
to say Testament. Okay. Yeah. Ed? Well, you know,
this isn't my thing, but I know, did Ghost come
out with an album? Ghost came out with Skeletor.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's going to be number one.
I just know everything. Brad? Wow. I'm going
to go, because they have such crazy fans, Dream
Theater. That's not a bad one either. All right.
Thank you. So at number five, selling 38 ,000
units the first week. is Turnstile with Never
Enough. Turnstile is a band that we've talked
about a little bit. They've started out as being
a hardcore band. And this new album, Never Enough,
is funny because that's the title of a song by
The Cure. And this album... is more reminiscent
of 80s pop in a lot of places with a lot of synth
wave and stuff like that, and really only has
two or three hardcore -sounding songs on it.
Isn't Never Enough L .A. Guns? Am I thinking
about that wrong? Never Enough, yeah, that's
a song of theirs as well. So they've done something
that they're... Original fans are probably really
upset. But the thing is, live, they're supposedly
a really good live band, and they appeared on
the NPR's Tiny Desk concert series. And all they
play is that, you know, hardcore punk type stuff.
Turnstile, huh? Yes. Clammy whoever. Uh, goodbye.
So anyone trying to shield their wares here,
you will not be, uh, yeah. Would you, would you
like those viewers? Yes. Uh, anyway. All right.
Pat here. You can buy this hat here. Uh, not
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Get on it, people. No, not because of that. The
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meantime, I've had another merch provider approach
me. So in the new year, there may be a new merch
provider and there may be new signals from Mars
merch. We'll see. More fun stuff to buy. All
right. At number four, Ghost with Skeleta. Good
job. Only at number four, selling 86 ,000 units
the first week. To be honest, when Ed said that,
I actually thought, well, this is going to be
number one. Me too. Everybody says he's number
one. So we're going to traverse some territory.
later on with bands that we don't normally talk
about i'll just leave it there okay that's going
to be the rest of the uh top five here not necessarily
because number three is that vinyl album that
that i own and this came out this came out in
august actually because i listened to it in the
states um it's deftones with private music that
Sold 87 ,000 copies the first week. I know that
it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's a band
that I thoroughly enjoy and thought were great
live. Number two is a band that I would not rate
anywhere near hard rock or metal, but the metal
press is behind them. They headlined one of the
nights at download this year. Oh, sleep token.
I was going to say sleep token. If I could say
a second. Yeah. Even, even in Arcadia, I debuted
at number one on the billboard 200. I wonder
if those guys have ever been to Arcadia. Listen,
I like a lot of different types of hard rock
and metal. Edgar Winterson laughed at me for
talking about the Tron soundtrack, the Nine Inch
Nails prong, or not prong soundtrack, Tron soundtrack,
damn it. I like Nine Inch Nails. I like a lot
of different music. I'm not into Sleep Token
at all. I just don't understand it. I know that
it's funny because there's been discussion recently
with the band President, who's kind of in the
same kind of thing. There are a lot of rumors
circulating. They're both British bands. Is it
Andy Copping is the guy from Download, Jeremy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a lot of money tied
into both of these bands. That's my gut feeling.
And that's why they're so popular is because
they've got a huge ton of money behind them.
The number one selling band in the world or act
is Taylor Swift. Okay. Taylor Swift's father
owns the biggest trucking company in the US.
All right, is Swift Logistics. That's her dad.
Who knew? Why she's so popular? Because of her
music, because she works hard, because of this,
because of that. She was born into money. And
she's been able to leverage it. I'm not going
to knock her because of that. But my gut feeling
is Sleep Token precedent. All these bands that
are now creeping out with the masks, with this,
with that, that really sound nothing like metal
bands. There are glam bands from the 80s that
are more thrash than what Sleep Token is putting
out right now. Sleep Token has a boatload of
money behind them to help promote them in these.
Go ahead, Jeremy. I was just going to say, I
know the stepfather of one of the backing singers
and I'm going to see him tomorrow because I think
I mentioned to you that the backing singer, Paige,
she used to live here in Kingsmead, Northwich,
just down the road from me. And so I know her
stepfather. And so I'll pass on these good wishes
tomorrow. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'll get a nice bouquet
of horse dung in the mail. Apparently they have
their own merchandise site now just for the backing
singers. Oh, wow. As well. Wow. Which band is
this? Sleep Token. Sleep Token. They have backup
singers. Yeah, yeah, they've got three. Yeah,
they've actually got a name, but I forget what
the backing singers have got their own name as
well. Not just numbers? No, the rest of the members
are numbers. You mentioned it previously because
you did bring that up before. I don't know if
you meant on air or off air. Yeah. But listen,
even if with me knocking them, if they can make
it, good for them. Just not my thing. Yeah. Yeah,
yeah. I don't like them either. Again, I'm not
going to knock you for liking them. I'm not going
to say, oh, don't listen to them, blah, blah,
blah. It's my opinion. It doesn't mean that my
opinion has to fit everyone's, you know, tastes.
I'm just glad people are buying music. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good thing. Cause we, we
need, we need to keep music alive somehow. People
need to play instruments. At number one is a
band. I think I posted, yeah, I posted stuff
of theirs on Patreon. I believe I posted something
off of this album. The band is 21 Pilots. The
album is Breach. And the first week, they sold
200 ,000 units. Wow. Wow. There you go. It's
funny. The only reason I know that band is because
back around 2008 to 2010, when you go into Starbucks,
they would have these free iTunes downloads.
And I would get one every time and check it out.
It would always be indie pop acts and folk acts.
And one of them was one of those songs. That's
the only song I've ever heard by them. I've just
kind of known of them because of that. And then,
of course, a year or two ago, you told me they
were one of the biggest bands in the world. And
I guess they still are, from what you're saying.
Looks like it. All right. Good for them. Yeah.
So let's move on to top grossing hard rock and
metal tours of 2025. Okay. Any guesses? Well,
let's go in opposite order this time. Brad, who
do you think? Name a band that's in here. Well,
let's see. Iron Maiden have been on tour. Yeah,
why not? Iron Maiden. Oh, that was my choice.
Yeah, me too. Sorry, Jeremy. I'll have to think
about it. That means you have to pick a US band.
You guys can double down if you want. That's
fine. If you guys want to say Iron Maiden, that's
cool too. Well, no, that's all right. We'll think
of something else. I've got another one. Well,
go ahead so I can keep thinking. Let's see. Mine
is going to be ACDC because I think they were
still on tour this year. They were. So they must
have made a lot of money out of it. So, yeah,
ACDC. Yeah, all those big stadiums. Not as many
shows, but Belinda Carlisle. Edgar Winterson
is head over heels. Yeah, I kind of get a feeling
that he's got like a Belinda Carlisle poster
in his bedroom. On the ceiling, perhaps? Ed,
any? Oh, I've got it. I can go easy. Metallica.
I know they've been out playing, right? They're
always playing somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Okay, here
we go. At number five, $50 million made on their
recently started farewell tour, Megadeth. Okay.
Wow. Megadeth in the top five. Good job, boys.
Yeah. Number four. Sorry, Dean Ellison. Number
four. Having grossed 95 .6 million. It is Guns
N' Roses. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Number three. Grossing 136 .3. $2 million. Only
playing two shows a week. The M72 World Tour
from Metallica. Oh, wow. That's quite a jump
in money between these guys so far. Absolutely.
And the last two are pretty similar. There's
a considerable jump. But also what I just said,
remember what I just said, Metallica made that
much playing two shows a week. These other bands
are playing consistently for the most part. Number
two, From Zero World Tour, 150 .6 million, Linkin
Park. Wow. What? Well, it's their first tour
in years. Wow. Good to know everybody showed
up for him when they came back. Yeah. There's
the man. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
There you go. But at number one, Run For Your
Lives World Tour, 150 .9 million. Iron Maiden.
Yeah. Way to go. So they made what? There's a
$3 million difference there, $150 .9 million
to $150 .6 million. Jeremy, you're the economist.
Yeah, big gap. And then to Metallica, $136 .2,
Guns N' Roses, $95 .6, and Megadeth, $50. I guess
that's why it's so hard to retire, man, if you're
making that kind of money playing rock and roll.
Yeah, but this is gross revenue. This will be
gross. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you've got to
remember that. You've got to pay a lot of bills
with that. A lot of bills, a lot of taxes to
pay. But listen, these guys are big acts. They're
making money out of it. Um, and yeah, good luck.
That's, that's, but that, that's, that's a good
problem to have. I wouldn't mind, uh, making
that much money and having to pay taxes on it,
you know? Cause I mean, even with maiden, um,
you've got this, well, I was going to say the
six members of the band that the pair, you know,
it'd be interesting to know though, is, is that
split six ways or is there a tier? Gotta be tiered.
Yeah, well, Steve Harris must get more. Before
you cut me off, think of this. Think of this,
Brad. You cut me off. Think of this. Is Maiden
six members or seven members? How much money
is Nico still making? How much money is Steve
Dawson making? I think that's his name, right?
Steve Dawson, the drummer? Yeah. It's Dawson.
It's something Dawson. It's Steve or Sean Dawson.
One or the other. Steve Dawson and that's Jackson.
Anyway. There's those seven. There's their managers.
Plus there's the entire road crew. Plus they
have to pay the support act. They have to pay
the support acts as well, don't they? I mean,
they've got to pay them something. Or not. They
might be buying onto the tour. Yeah. That's another
thing to consider. Yeah. That's the tour you'd
want to pay to open up. Yeah. You got to sell
a bit of match. Big audience. Yeah. And well,
I guess next year they're going to have mega
death and anthrax on the tour. Except, except
I went to see the, I made into it. I can't remember
the Raven age. They're on there because it's
Steve Harris's son. Oh yeah. Yeah, the last Raven
Age is his. I forget which other band they had,
which was Bruce's son. They've had Lauren Harris
out, which Richie Faulkner was in the band at
the time. So I'm sure they're getting those bands
at a discount. And possibly the only members
of those bands that are making money are the
kids. That could be quite possible as well. It
could be that the rest of the members of the
band aren't really getting a whole lot. I would
think that Maiden has probably worked something
out, and this is me talking out of my ass, really
not knowing what I'm talking about, but I'm assuming
that Simon Dawson isn't making as much as the
rest of the members. I'm assuming that Nico is
getting a cut. I don't know if he's making as
much as Simon. I don't know. Or it could be the
other way around. Maybe Nico is still making
more than Simon because he's the name. Because
Nico's out doing all the signings of the books.
Yeah, I guess there's a few ways they could work
this. You could either be a hired hand. you know,
getting paid a certain amount of money for each
concert or on an annual retainer. The other thing
is whether you've actually got shares in the
company. I mean, Iron Maiden will be a company
in which probably Steve Harris has got, you know,
the majority share ownership in. And so there's
all that as well. So he might earn a salary from
it that's equal to the rest of the band, but
he might also earn a return on his shares. That's
a good point. Because I think Judas Priest is
set up like that, aren't they? Because that's
why KK Downing was always, he was like a part
of the bands still, even when he left. Yeah,
and if he ever comes back, he's going to be an
employee. Yeah. So, all right. Any shockers there
with that top five? No. Not really. Well, Linkin
Park, maybe. Well, yeah. I think Linkin Park,
again, they've been away for a while. You also
have to think of the fact that even though they
are, you know, within the genre, they've had
a lot of pop success as well. They've had a lot
of mainstream crossover. And they're doing this
in smaller arenas. I mean, they're not playing
stadiums like Maiden and Metallica or even Guns
N' Roses. They're playing, you know, your Pepsi
Centers and Madison Square Garden. Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Not knocking it. The other thing,
too, I don't know who else was on the bills for
all of these. I mean, I don't know if Lincoln
Park was the only real band on that tour. You
know what I mean? Yeah, but they're going to
be the selling point for people. Even Maiden,
we're talking about Megadeth and Anthrax opening
up for them, but the majority of the people there
are going to be for Maiden. Metallica's been
playing with Pantera, and they've been playing
with Ice Nine Kills and Mammoth. Uh, black, was
it black? No, not black label. Um, there's a
fourth band that they've had going with them
for quite some time as well. And I don't remember
who, but, and they're also doing, you know, uh,
shows in the parking lot in New York. They had
her in New Jersey. Actually, they had overkill
play one day and they had prong play the other
day in the part or the second night in the parking
lot. So. they're splitting money between all
these bands, but they're still the main draw.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like those other bands
are putting extra butts in the seats. Right.
You know, it's like, well, I wasn't going to
go see main, but Oh, when I found out overkill
was going to be in the parking lot. I'm there.
Yeah. Well, who knows? You know, think too that
we're getting close to that point to where the
people that were kids like in high school in
the 90s and going into college listening to those
new and alt metal bands and then you know there
was uh you know then you also had post grunge
and a lot of pop punk bands that came out you
know leading up to 2000 a lot of those people
are getting to that age we're gonna they're gonna
start uh they're they're getting into their 40s
now They're going to start reminiscing back on
the music they grew up with. And, you know, that's
what we've seen. Me being a Gen Xer, that's what
I've been seeing with a lot of my metal bands
is, you know, it all kind of died away there
for a while. And then as I got into my 40s, things,
you know, luckily it wasn't us just having to
go back and reminisce, but these bands went out
and went to a new level with their music writing.
production and and just you know they're still
jamming but they're taking advantage you know
of course of the nostalgia right and uh which
we we all benefit from that we all love it and
so yeah the kids that were you know eight to
ten years younger than me i think uh we're gonna
start hearing seeing a lot of their bands yeah
A lot more, again, like Linkin Park and whoever
is still around to do that. We're seeing that
already with the festivals where a lot of the
festivals are starting to slowly switch over
to bands that were popular in the 90s because
a lot of the bands that were big in the 80s,
like you're saying, have had the run for the
last 15, 20 years. And what's happened is that
those people are getting, Older, can't tour anymore.
And members are dropping off. Well, not just
members, but your audience. I've had so many
people my age die in the last few years. It's
like they almost don't, you know, they're losing
their audience as well a lot sooner than you
might expect. Yeah, and here's the other thing,
too, is how many of these bands are going out
and just playing the same songs over and over
again? They haven't switched their set list up
in those last 15 to 20 years. So also, if people
aren't dying off, they're killing their audience
because their audience is saying, yeah, that's
the same set list I've been seeing for the last
10 tours, so I'm not going this time around.
Yeah. I'm going to argue that the average fan,
you know, we're different kind of fans, the four
of us. But the average fan, I think, wants to
hear those songs over and over again. You think?
I don't know. I don't have any proof to back
that up. But other than when you go to a show
and you see that the people go just nuts over
songs. you could care less to hear again because
they've heard it so much. It's like, oh, God,
I've got to hear this one again. And then everybody
goes nuts. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've been to Europe
many times, and it's the final countdown at the
end, the encore. Everyone is there for that song.
Yep. Perfect example there. Does Saxon switch
their set list up from tour to tour? They change
some songs around. They obviously play always
three songs off the new album. There's always
a new album coming out. They'll play a few new
ones. I love to hear the new ones, and I love
to hear. But they have a certain amount of songs
they have to play, like any of these major bands,
these legacy bands that we call. They all have
to play those hits. And so Wheels of Steel, 747,
Princess of the Night, those are the songs that
are always in the set, really. yeah i'm gonna
say since since i've uh done a few saxon tours
where i've seen five six shows on one tour um
that now with with the new guitar player with
uh tatler in there uh he doesn't have quite the
catalog under his fingers as the other guys did
but back before him They would, yeah, you would
see a totally, I mean, kind of start off with
the same few songs and then it would just drift
from there. I mean, Biff would just start calling
songs out and asking the crowd what they want
to hear. And even that last tour that I went
and saw them on after Taz had joined the band,
they only had a couple of songs that weren't
in the normal set. We saw them play, let's see,
four, one, two, three, four shows in Texas. And
the set was not exactly the same every night.
There was always one or two different songs.
That's awesome. So let me just read off the last
show that Judas Priest did back in October. You
know they're not changing their set at all on
the tour. Not during the tour, but tour to tour.
That's what I mean, not during, but they'll mix
it up for the next one. But they played All Guns
Blazing, Hell Patrol, You've Got Another Thing
Coming, Freewheel Burning, Breaking the Law,
A Touch of Evil, Nightcrawler, Solar Angels,
Gates of Hell, The Hellion, Electric Eye, Giants
in the Sky, Painkiller, Hellbent for Leather,
and Living After Midnight. I'd say that more
than half of those songs are songs you're not
normally going to hear them play. You're not
going to normally hear them play. Yeah. We could
throw a third negative in there and really make
it funny. Yeah. I mean, if you listen to that
list, it's like, well, how many of those are
like, you know, you're going to hear those in
a juice. You've got another thing coming, which
they haven't played on tour. Definitely. They
have to play. Well, I've seen them where they
haven't played it. Oh, yeah. On purpose? Yeah,
yeah, yeah. And I've also seen them when they've
done a 15 -minute rendition of the song. Oh,
God. Please, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah! Sorry.
Did you record that? Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Wait,
was I in the right key? I think you were. To
your point. All right. So they played a lot of
schools. I've got to say one other thing. I was
talking to Nigel and Graham, not Graham. A couple
of boys in Saxon once. I said, have you guys
ever done a show that you didn't play Wheels
of Steel? And they said, yeah. And I said, well,
What the hell happened? I mean, how did that
go? Did you guys get off stage and go, lads,
we didn't play Wheels of Steel. How did that
happen? I mean, there's no way since that album
came out that they could do a show without playing
that song. But they claim they did. And I thought,
I don't know. Well, with this set list, it's
painkiller heavy because of the anniversary.
Well, they're going to play Painkiller every
show now. That's one that's going to be in the
set. The one that I'm interested in is they did
Giants in the Sky off of the latest album. You'll
never hear that song played live again after
this tour. I don't know because they've made
that song all about a salute to people that have
passed away, where they show Ozzy, they show
Dio, they show... Yeah, well, I think it'd be
way cool if that song became a regular in the
set. Because I keep thinking that every time
a band comes out with an album that has a really
good song on there, and they play it live, and
you're like, man, that was really cool. And it'd
be nice if it became a regular part of their
set. But you don't see that very often. Yeah,
because they didn't play anything off of Firepower,
for example. Yeah. I think one of the things
we have to remember with some of these bands
is that they've released so many albums now.
I mean, they're still releasing albums. As we
know, Judas Priest just released an album. Iron
Maiden just released an album. So they're always
going to have this problem of choosing what to
play live. They know there's a certain amount
of songs they have to play that are the old songs
because there's always the old guys, the old
ladies who are going to the shows who want to
hear all those hits. they can only put in a certain
amount of new stuff without it being boring to,
you know, like Brad just said, the average person
wants to hear, you know, all that legacy stuff.
And it's very difficult. The more and more albums
they've got, it's easier for Guns N' Roses because
they haven't actually released many albums. Yeah,
that's right. They don't have any choice. They
have to play. But the other thing is with Guns
N' Roses, they play for three hours, whereas
the others don't. So in that three hours, they
can play all the hits. They can also bung in
a load of old tunes. They can do a few covers.
They can have a few solos. And it's easy for
them. Yeah, so just to compare the Iron Maiden
set list. So they did Murders in the Rue Morgue,
Wrathchild, Killers, Phantom of the Opera, Number
of the Beast, The Clairvoyant, Power Slave. Wait,
wait, wait. So Number of the Beast, so far that's
the only song that I would say you're going to
hear pretty much every time you're going to see
Iron Maiden. All the rest of those aren't. Number
of the Beast, this is the first tour that they
brought that song back in several tours. Really?
Wow. I could be wrong. Two Minutes to Midnight,
Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Run to the Hills,
Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Trooper, Hallowed
Be Thy Name. This is the first time they've played
this on tour in like four tours. Yeah, they found
them. But that was every tour before that, ever
since that album came out. That was the last
song. Iron Maiden, Ace of Spies. That's got to
be there. Fear of the Dark, and Wasted Years.
Wasted Years. So Peace of Mind only gets one
tune. Yeah. It's kind of sad. But I would say
that most of those songs are songs you're not
going to hear every time you go see them. That's
actually a really good set list. That's right.
Maybe I should. Wasn't this the one as well where
the drummer was learning stuff for this tour
as well? Yeah, but they claimed that he learned
stuff really quickly. That's what Bruce said.
Right. Yeah. Fear is the key. Yeah, I used to
love that song when it first came out. Listened
to that album not that long ago, and I was like,
wow, I used to love this back in 92. All right.
So top five hard rock and metal news stories
of 2025. And I purposely did not include any
deaths in this. So five bands that you guys think
will be in this top five. Ed, any band? For headline
news. Yeah, the five most talked about stories
in 2025. Again, I'm going to take the easy route
and say Arch Enemy. Okay. The vocalist changed
there. Wow. I think that's a pretty big story
amongst all those fans. Okay. Brad, you? I'm
going to take the easy one, the low -hanging
fruit, Black Sabbath. Okay. Jeremy? Back to the
beginning. I'm going to go for a wild card, and
I'm going to say The Loudmouth Who Can't Sing,
Dave Lee Roth. Yeah, that's good. Definitely.
He got a lot of press. All right. Number five.
Sleep Token reaching number one on the Billboard
200. Okay. Moving on to number four. Yeah. Number
four. Black Sabbath, back to the beginning. Final
show narrative becomes central to the 2025 metal
discourse. Okay. Number three. Kiss. What's next?
Continues. Avatar's projects talk. Wow. Wow.
Okay. Number two. Okay. Ghost hits number one
on the Billboard 200 with Skeletor. Okay. And
the number one discussed news piece of the year
is Megadeth's announcement to retire, final album,
and farewell tour plans. You would have think
I would have thought of that one. But I forgot.
Yeah, that's probably the biggest story right
there for sure. That makes sense. I'm surprised
the Back to the Beginning didn't get more. Yeah,
you think that. It was number four. I would have
pinned that as being number one, given all of
the stuff that's around it, all of the unique
combinations, the bands that covered Black Sabbath
and everything. Did Ozzy's death overshadow it?
And that's why. You know, we didn't carry on
about it. I don't know about that, but yeah,
I think that fed into it actually. Yeah. I don't
know because Ozzy died two weeks later, you know?
So if there was like a groundswell about back
to the beginning and maybe having some type of
like DVD coming out and stuff like that, once
Ozzy died, that kind of went away because the
focus was Ozzy. The Kiss Avatar talk and stuff,
yeah. I did a whole thing last week with Hooligan
Nation about that. So, yeah, there's people still
talking about that, especially since the whole
Landlocked Cruise thing. We should talk about
that sometime, man. Have you watched stuff from
that? I don't want to get off on a tangent. Well,
we could talk about that one second because the
other two things that were here were the number
one albums by Sleep Token and Ghost. Ghost, to
me, wasn't a surprise because they've charted
fairly high last few tours. Sleep Token, to me,
again, A surprise, but maybe that shows I'm out
of touch. Who knows? The Megadeth retirement,
to me, personally, to quote Bruce Dickinson,
somewhere in time, deja vu, feels like we've
been here before. They already had a final tour
and album when they released The World Needs
a Hero. Then The System Has Failed was supposed
to be a solo album, and then it ended up becoming
a Megadeth album, and they haven't gone away
since. This final tour is going to last a million
years, apparently, because we've already discussed
how much money these bands are making out there
on tour. So as shocking as it is, as neat as
the three songs have been that they've released,
I chalk this up as I'll believe it when I see
it. Because I can see Dave in three or four years
say, you know what? We're having fun on tour.
This is the greatest lineup ever. You know, I
thought I was going to hang it up, but we're
just having way too much tour, way too much fun
on tour. We're going to continue. Way too much
money. Way too much money. My wife has bought
too much expensive shit for our ranch. They've
bought... We're doing it for the fans because
the fans want to pay us to do this. Yeah, we're
doing it for the fans because I have 20 new horses
on my ranch. And somebody's got to pay for them.
So, the Megadeth announcement. The Megadeth announcement.
Did it surprise anybody? Yeah, I think I was
a little bit surprised when it happened, yeah.
Do you think he'll hold up to the retirement?
It depends what plans he's got. Did he say what
he was going to do when he actually retires?
All they've said is final album and that this
final tour will be several years long. All right.
Okay. So, yeah, I mean, obviously he's just looking
ahead to playing live and getting it done and
whether he's got any thoughts afterwards, I don't
know, but difficult to say really. I mean, how
old is he now? What's more? He's in his sixties.
Early sixties. But he could be late sixties by
the time he finishes it and whether he feels
that, you know, it's quite a fast paced music,
isn't it? So we're not talking about. playing
sort of laid back blues on tour and, you know,
doing a Lynyrd Skynyrd. That's just it right
there. If he were to continue on after all of
this, his musical style would have to change
because he's getting to where he can't physically
do it. Yeah. He's 64. And I get it, man. Like,
I've so far... Like that last album, that song,
We'll Be Back, one of their fastest tunes that
they've made. And also, not just fast one note,
but it's got some galloping fast riffs. I can
play that. But it hurts like hell by the time
that I'm done. And I'm just 55. And he's been
saying that his hands started failing on him
a bit. and uh and when that happens you still
got some life in you i can tell but some of those
kinds of songs are going to get to where he just
can't do it anymore yeah now he may be able to
do it like as a one -off but to try to do a whole
show of that stuff so he would end up having
to go back playing all the stuff that i don't
like as a full show almost maybe putting in uh
Holy Wars, though, man, that'll tear your wrist
up, too, trying to get through that at full speed.
Yeah, I almost think with some of these thrash
metal guys at this age, even if they were planning
to fool you and come back, their bodies aren't
going to let them, I don't think. So I think,
now, Mustaine, he's going to be able to make
money until the day he's gone, for sure. But
maybe he can do some more stuff like the Super
Collider finally, but do it apart from his thrash
metal band. Do some of the rock stuff that he's
always trying to kind of push into Megadeth and
gets a lot of pushback. When he's to the point
where he can't play the fast stuff anymore, maybe
he can go do that in his retirement. Because
those songs, like Super Collider, that's a really
dang good song by itself. Redline, really great
song by itself. Yeah, or we might sort of write
with other people as well. That's the other thing.
Exactly, yeah. They could all have fun doing
that stuff. Have you heard any of the three new
songs yet, or are you waiting for the entire
album? Yeah, okay, so Decibel Geek, guys, you
got me again. I'm listening to their new show,
and they're talking about Megadeth, and I didn't
pay attention to the fact that they started playing
a song. from the new album at the end of their
conversation about Dave. And about 30 seconds
later, I realized I was listening to the new
Macadeth. And so I was like, oh, well, I'll just
finish it. And it was like, it was a magical
experience what I heard. I'm not too sure what
song it was, but it was some of the finest guitar
solo work that I've heard yet. Just from the
30 -second clip they play. I'm so excited to
hear Timu on this album. Even just when I hear
him play little pieces, I get excited to hear
more. That guy is just amazing. And after Megadeth
is gone, man, Timu, hopefully he can carry some
of that on himself. As good as he is, that guy
should be able to have a full -time career the
rest of his life. Well, once you're in a band
like Megadeth, the door is going to be open.
Yeah, that gave him the audience there. Your
super collider analogy is funny. I don't know
if you listened to the latest episode of the
VMR podcast. I did, yeah, today. You did listen
to it or no? Today I did, yeah. So I mentioned
something along those lines where... I think
the second single that they've released, I mean,
it isn't as laid back as Super Collider, but
it's more of a straight ahead hard rock song.
The third song, which was released today, I think
is kind of in between both songs. Yeah. And that's
kind of par for the course with him now. Yeah.
Every album is kind of a mix of all that stuff.
Well, and I think that's what, I think your analogy
is spot on. I think he's, the biggest reason
for putting Megadeth away is for him to do something
a little different. And I didn't, you know, I'm
not a fan of Risk, but I think Super Collider
has some really cool stuff on it. And I think
that the title track is, for what it's worth,
I think it's a good song. I think that... Similar
to any of these bands who have switched up their
styles. And listen, Metallica with Load, Megadeth
with Risk or Super Collider or stuff like that,
or even Saint Anger. They're tame in comparison
to what Bring Me the Horizon and Between the
Buried and Me have done with, you know, coming
out with full guttural vocals and now doing stuff
that's like full on pop. You know, at least Metallica
and Megadeth have still stayed within the rock
realm with what they've done. And I understand
why a lot of people don't like Load, for example,
but you take it out of their catalog and see
it as a snapshot or a piece of work from a specific
point of time. And I think... You interpret it
a little differently than putting it up against
Master of Puppets and Injustice for All and Ride
the Lightning and all that stuff. I agree with
you. Yeah, I'll take the Black Album any day
over a lot of these records I'm hearing now where
they just completely switch the music to something.
It's almost offensive to me when I hear it. It
makes me mad. Yeah, I hear you. All right. So
final. The final piece to this, this is the biggest
hard rock and metal deaths of the year. There
are five here. I think two of these are obvious.
And I think a third one, I think you guys might
get. But I don't know if... If you guys will
get more than three out of these five. So Edgar,
Edgar has already said Ozzy. So we'll remove
Ozzy off of the table. Brad, anyone else? Oh
God. I know I need to pay better attention to
people dying. I'm totally stumped right now.
Although I know, I know some. big names have
passed on this year. Yeah, I'm trying to think
of what other metal musicians besides Ace and
Ozzy. There we go. You got Ace. I thought he
was the given, so we weren't choosing those two.
Ace was the big one, yeah. Jeremy, any others?
Yeah, John Sykes. John Sykes died in December
of 2024. I had to check. All right. Why hasn't
this shown up? Okay. Another guess. I will go
Les Binks. Yeah. So number five is Thomas Lindbergh,
singer of At The Gates. Huge influence, especially
he was part of the reason for the Gothenburg
sound out of Sweden. A big influence on melodic
death metal. Number four, Rick Derringer. Oh,
yeah. I was surprised you guys mentioned Les
Binks, but Rick Derringer has rock and roll.
He's huge. Number three, Brent Hins, Mastodon.
Oh, yeah. Ace Fraley, number two. And Ozzy Osbourne,
number one. There's been so many, you know, in
the last five to ten years that it's kind of
hard to remember when they've gone. Yeah. Except
for just remembering that people like Dio and
Lemmy have been, you know, a long time now. I'm
impressed Brent Hins made above Rick Derringer.
I mean, you ask the average person on the street
who is, you know, Brent Hins, they'd be like,
who? Yeah, but Rick Derringer, I'd say a lot
of people. average people have heard of rick
derringer i don't know that they know rick derringer
by name so much as by song and it's possible
well okay well we could go that way let's play
rock and roll hoochie coo and then play any what's
the biggest mastodon song what do they have a
big song what's their biggest song and why am
i not playing it on yard metal if they have a
big song come on I mean, I like a lot of their
catalog. Probably their biggest. Yeah, you like
a lot of it. But I'm just saying, if you're going
to play a Mastodon song for somebody walking
down the street and say, hey, you know these
guys, right? Yeah. What song would that be? They've
always been an underground band. So, I mean.
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm impressed that he
got. I'll give you this. I'll give you this.
Is Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo a bigger song than
Hulk Hogan's theme song? Did Mastodon do that?
Derringer did it. I know. Yeah. I'm going to
say yeah. Yeah, you think? Yeah. All right. So,
wow. At least we forget Derringer played in my
dad's band. He did play in Edgar Winter's band.
Yeah, he played in the Edgar Winter group. And
he also played in White Trash. He played in that.
And then they toured. Yeah. Rick Derringer, he's
done so many things. Didn't he play with Bowie
as well? That I don't know. I've never, that
doesn't ring a bell, but I'll do, I'll do some
research on that kids. Has there been, I don't
know. I didn't know. I wonder how to kid. Has
there been another year where. You mentioned
Dio. Dio and Peter Steele of Type O Negative
died fairly close to one another. Having said
that, has there been another year where somebody,
were two artists as influential as Ace and Ozzy
that they've gone? No. Yes. I'm thinking possibly
John Bonham and Bon Scott. Oh, wow. Great. Yeah.
Great memory. Yeah, because I remember that one
when I was a kid at school. You know another
reason why Rick Derringer is on this list? Because
in 2001, he released. the I'm doing business
as, and the band that he was a part of is a three
piece. It was Derringer, Bogart, and Carmine.
I saw it. Wait. Okay. Edgar, you still there?
Uh, the only, I saw the first time I saw Edgar
winter, your, your dad, uh, it was in white fish,
Montana. at a Mexican food restaurant. It was
awesome actually. And Carmine was playing drums
and this guy, John Duva was playing guitar and
they were incredible. There was no bass player.
It was, it was, it was an abomination from that
standpoint, but musically it was, it was just
brilliant. And yeah, I mean, two, two legends
on the stage. Yeah. Yeah. Three piece. oh man
edgar winter johnny winter used to be is it was
his brother yes yeah yes yeah yeah and i uh i
saw edgar winter it was right after johnny it
was the weekend that johnny died like a couple
of days after he was doing a show in uh urta
utah of all places and he was pat travers was
uh was on the bill with him and Pat Travers came
out at the end and they played a couple of Johnny
winter songs, a tribute to Johnny. Yeah. One
off. Totally cool. But Edgar Winters guitar player
is just incredible. What's his name? Oh crap.
See, that's the problem when you get old. I would
have been impressed if Pat Travers would have
brought out Nico McBrain. Those guys played together
like a couple of weeks ago in Florida. It was
Pat Travers playing. His band before me. Yeah,
yeah. Pat Travers is still damn good. So here's
– Boom, boom, out goes the lights. Here's one
Rick Derringer tidbit that I always use to rile
up Vinnie Vincent fans. When they ask – what
the best Vinnie Vincent solo is on Lick It Up,
I always say Exciter because Rick Derringer played
the solo and you see people start to answer,
Vinnie didn't play on that one. I said, that's
why it's the best Vinnie Vincent solo on the
album. Yeah, you're right. Rick was a fantastic
guitar player. Great singer too. Ozzy and Ace.
Ace, we had a whole remembrance. Ozzy, I was
away. But, yeah, we are saying, slowly but surely,
we're saying goodbye to the people that helped
form the soundtrack of our lives. Brent Hins
of Mastodon was much younger than the rest of
them. Um, I will say that it is a band that I've
listened to a lot and I have a lot of their vinyl
behind me. Um, again, I know it's not for everybody,
Brad. So if you ask the average person down the
street, walking down the street, yes, they're
probably not going to name a mastodon song. Maybe
not even heard. Maybe not even heard. I like
them too. I, I, I do play quite a few of their
songs on the yard now. So I, I like, I've seen
them once and they were, they were, they were
good. I got to see them as well. Middle of the
day actually. Yeah. Yeah. I saw them. They were
warming up for death clock and I thought, okay,
you're basically warming up for a cartoon. That's
who I would like to see is Death Clock. Hey,
they're going on tour next year, Ed. I heard
that. I got to check and see if there's anything
coming near you. If so, we're going. I'm coming.
I'm coming. We're going. I'm getting you on the
guest list. Yeah, if Death Clock came here, I
would definitely go to that. I couldn't miss
that. That'd be fun. But it is an experience.
I mean, because you're basically, the band is,
you don't see the band. They're all backlit by
the screen. It's basically you're watching cartoons
with music supporting it. And then the last song,
they put the lights on the band so you can see
them. Okay, that's cool. They play their asses
off, that's for sure. I mean, they're a seriously
good death metal band. Yep. Cool. So, any...
Parting words, anything that you guys think should
have been mentioned that stood out to you guys
from 2025? I do. One of my favorite things this
year was seeing Queen Doro doing that Winter
Dreams video with Udo. Oh, with Udo. Remember
that? It was early in the year, so we probably
started to forget about it. That actually was
really good. That moved me. One of my least favorite
Accept songs. Yeah, they did a nice job. Yeah.
Remember that one, everybody, to go visit again,
that video. Brad, for you? Wow. I don't know.
It was a great year. A lot of great music. I've
got my list of albums from 2025 that I'm trying
to still pare down to 10. And I'm looking forward
to talking about those in a few weeks. Stay tuned
for that. But yeah, not, not a, I didn't get
out much this year, this, this year, unfortunately.
So I didn't see a lot of concerts or anything,
but I don't know. I think musically it's been
a great year. A lot of great new music has come
out. So. Cool. I agree. Yeah. And I do have to
say this, that. You know, watching the live stream
of Back to the Beginning, that's something that
will live in my memory forever. Because getting
to chat with this guy right here during the whole
thing. And then Jeremy right here getting to
chat. You know, it was cool, man. We're down
there chatting with each other during the show.
And, of course, I had my brother, CEO Dave, you
know, chiming in. It was like a shared experience
without actually being with other people. I guess
what could be more important than that? And,
you know, my favorite part of the whole thing
was right before Ozzy came on, Jeremy said, that's
it. I'm going to bed. I've had enough. I'm going
to bed. This is after he was there from the first
note of the whole thing. And I'm like, what?
You're not going to bed. Yeah. Yeah, that was
a good one. Good one. Well played. So that, that,
that was just an incredible experience being
able to virtually experience that with some of
the, some of the coolest people, some of the
coolest people here. I know Victor was busy,
unfortunately, but he was also in the chat wanting
to know what was going on with the thing. You
were, you were doing basketball camp and it was
funny two days later. one of the other one of
the organizers of the camp said, have you been
able to check out any of the back to the beginning
stuff? I'm like, I've been here with you the
whole time. When am I checking anything out?
I go, today's the end of the, where you could
watch the entire live stream. And I remember
him saying, well, you know, there are clips up
on YouTube. I said, yeah, I've checked out some
clips, but the sound is nowhere near as good
as what you're seeing from. the pieces that they
were releasing. I mean, there was like the ultimate
sin. I saw it and it was from somebody in the
crowd and it was, it could have been like 4 million
miles away because the sound was just terrible.
Then they released a clip from the soundboard.
I think it was, and it sounded great. So. Yeah.
Yeah, even though it was a two hour delay, it
was still you felt like it was happening right
then. And we were all experienced, you know,
us three anyway, we're experiencing it at the
same time. Yeah. And there's just something really
cool about that. Especially, especially now,
because for me, it's been extremely helpful because
I've lost so many of my music buddies. They're
gone. And so having you guys to watch, I remember
you. You were watching Kiss, too, when we were
watching the last concert, and that was fun.
And Mike Jones was sending me pictures from the
concert that he had gone to a couple weeks before
that. Just being able to talk to all of you guys
about music throughout the year, it's been one
of the most therapeutic and healing things for
me after all the really good friends that I've
lost to death in the last couple of years, especially.
You know, all the guys that I would be texting.
I've got one buddy left. And and I told you last
show I made a new a new metalhead friend, you
know, so that's helping, too. But having you
guys to talk to has been pretty awesome. Thanks
for having me around and listening to me gab
about all of this stuff. Oh, it's great to have
you around, Ed, because you you provide us with
a great perspective of things where. A lot of
times we miss out on things. And I mentioned
it during today's Patreon episode where there'll
be something that I'll be listening to, but I'm
not listening to it in the same fashion that
you are. And there is where you'll say, you know,
you really need to go back and check this out
because of this. It actually gives me a reason
to go back and, and you're making what I do.
a lot easier in this to that. Yeah. I mean, a
lot of the interviews that I've done are thanks
to things that, you know, you've either brought
to my attention or said, Hey, you know, go back
and check this one out again or, or stuff like
that. And, you know, it's, it's great to have
all of you guys on board. I, I, I wish I, again,
I could have been there live for the, um, for
the Sabbath show, but is, is, is what it is.
Um, Jeremy, what, what has been a one 2025 thing
that you want to mention? Well, you know, I could
echo everything that the guys have just said,
really. I mean, Sabbath and talking with you
guys on, on this, but you know, the Sabbath thing
sort of, um, reminds me that, I just looked down
at the bands that I've seen this year and they're
all legacy bands. They're all bands that I never
thought at my age now I'd still be watching.
I went to see Magnum in January. I went to see
Michael Schenker in May. I saw Iron Maiden in
June. I saw Wasp. I saw Saxon. But above all,
the one moment for me is to tell you about I
went to see Uriah Heep in Manchester. Mick Box,
who's 80 years old, is still doing it. And he's
still doing exactly what he did 10 years ago,
20 years ago, 30 years ago. You name it, keep
going back the decades. And to see a band like
that, still a genuine band playing live, playing
all that sort of folky proggy rock music, you
know, the old fashioned rock music with a proper
organist on stage, you know, playing the playing
the Hammond organ and and those old great. tracks
that they've played, Gypsy and all that sort
of stuff. And yeah, for me, that was a big highlight
because although the Black Sabbath gig was obviously
the highlight, I guess, of the year, seeing a
band live like Uriah Heep, you can't beat it.
um and long may they continue they won't be going
forever they might only go for another couple
of years or so who knows but um we've just got
to cherish the music that we see go and see it
live listen to it on on records on cds and just
enjoy it and listen to all the new stuff because
eventually you know these bands are going to
die uh they're gonna they're gonna move on we'll
still have the music but you know we can go and
see new bands yeah absolutely um What can I add
to this that you guys haven't said? I mean, I
think we've covered all bases. I think what Ed
said is really important to me as well. You know,
talking to you guys is great, especially after
real crappy weeks. You guys know more than the
average listener because I blab about a lot of
it on... the Patreon show, maybe sometimes too
much. And I'm sorry if I bring down the mood
by doing that, but sometimes I just got to let
that stuff out. It's, it's been a kick for me
watching my kids music grow, sitting in the car
with them and having them, you know, where I'll
say, you guys are never going to guess what band
this is. And seeing them say, oh, this is easy.
It's so -and -so. I'm like, damn, all right,
cool. Or I had a kid that I coached the last
few years where I saw on Instagram, on a note,
he posted that he was listening to Pink Floyd.
And I said to him, I go, what are you doing listening
to Pink Floyd? And he goes, we have more bands
in common than you think. And I said, well, all
right. I like hearing that. So that's cool. Yeah,
it is. I hope that everyone that listens to this
or watches it, I hope that this show has helped
you guys out through the ups and downs of the
year. There's always some great new music to
be found. We try to do our best here to bring
that stuff to you. Sometimes you're going to
agree. Sometimes you're not going to agree, but
I think that we do a solid job with, you know,
bringing stuff to people's attention. I do appreciate
all you guys. And, and honestly, you know, if
the patrons weren't around and, and yeah, I get
it. People could say, well, you know, They're
your friends because they're on Patreon. The
show would not be around if you follow the history
of the show had this group of not built up. I
know that a lot of people have come over from
what I was doing with Mark with his show. Whether
I do anything with Mark or not going forward
is up in the air. I haven't heard back from him
regarding that. But I think that we've had people
come and go, but the nucleus has still been here.
There's still patrons that I think are good friends
of the show still and good friends to all of
us who don't have the time to join us like maybe
they once did. which is fine. I mentioned it
today. I wish there was more action like there
was a few years ago, but I'm good with what we
have. If we get more, that's awesome. If not,
I think we've got a good thing going. I do want
to thank the three of you for being here tonight.
I want to thank Edgar for providing banter all
the time when we are doing the show live or even
when it is And yeah, we've got, I think two more
shows left this year. I've, I've planned it out
and we've already got a guest lined up, which
will be the first show next year. Next month,
we will have a next year. Next month, we will
have a recap of December releases and we will
finally do the 2025 album list. Look at that.
Wow. I saw your number one there. Oh, damn. Kansas
didn't release anything this year. Tokyo Blade?
Yeah, Kansas. Have you listened to it? I've actually
seen Kansas live. How about that? Who here can
say that? You can say what? That you've seen
Kansas live. Nope. I've seen it on the map. I've
been in Kansas. Well, I'm awfully proud of you,
Brad. Yeah, my first concert was Blue Oyster
Cult Kansas and Ted Nugent. There you go. Yeah.
Little did I know that Kansas would go on to
become the best American rock band in history.
Of all time. All right. On that note. We will
bid you guys farewell. Thank you once again for
joining us tonight. We will see you next time
right here on Signals from Mars. See you folks.
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