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Joining me is Brad Dahl, 00:06:21.129 --> 00:06:27.069 Jeremy Weltman, and Ed Ferguson. We are here 00:06:27.069 --> 00:06:32.350 to do a recap of 2025. We're going to talk about 00:06:32.350 --> 00:06:36.769 some big metal stories from throughout the year. 00:06:37.430 --> 00:06:40.970 I've compiled a few different things we're going 00:06:40.970 --> 00:06:43.379 to talk about. which I think will be interesting 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:48.180 to all of us. Edgar Winterson, thank you for 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:57.720 joining us in the chat. Hey, Edgar. Edgar was 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.819 correct that I would be loving that Corner album. 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.199 You remember he was saying that last time we 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:09.600 were together? He knows his stuff, man. Old Edgar 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.560 does. We need to get him on the live stream one 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.779 of these days. Come on, Edgar. Join us on Patreon. 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:26.300 Two dollars. I want my two dollars. I got to 00:07:26.300 --> 00:07:32.199 find that for a soundbite to add to my board 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:37.560 here. I tried to get a good clean rip of it off 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:42.079 the movie and couldn't do it. Oh, there's plenty 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:47.819 of tools now that will help you wipe away all 00:07:47.819 --> 00:07:54.800 that other stuff. So anyway, we're going to kick 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.279 things off with talking about the best -selling, 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:03.160 the five best -selling hard rock and metal albums 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:12.939 of 2025. What's that? Best selling? Like somebody 00:08:12.939 --> 00:08:18.180 actually bought the hard copies? Yes. I'm seeing 00:08:18.180 --> 00:08:23.180 that outside of the number two album. I don't 00:08:23.180 --> 00:08:29.000 have the units sold for number two, but I have 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:33.779 for the others. Some of these bands we talk about, 00:08:33.899 --> 00:08:37.269 some of them we don't. Some of these albums I 00:08:37.269 --> 00:08:39.950 own, and I actually have one of these vinyls 00:08:39.950 --> 00:08:46.570 in a box still, which I have not opened. So anyway. 00:08:48.529 --> 00:08:53.190 All right. So what do you guys want me to do 00:08:53.190 --> 00:08:57.269 here? Do you want to guess to see what each one 00:08:57.269 --> 00:09:00.830 of you, one of the albums that have come out 00:09:00.830 --> 00:09:03.590 this year that you guys think may be on this 00:09:03.590 --> 00:09:07.879 list? Well, let's do that. Jeremy, what do you 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:14.360 think? Okay. Oh, I'm going to say, oh, it's only 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.779 just come out though, hasn't it? So I'm going 00:09:16.779 --> 00:09:27.620 to say Testament. Okay. Yeah. Ed? Well, you know, 00:09:27.659 --> 00:09:30.480 this isn't my thing, but I know, did Ghost come 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.940 out with an album? Ghost came out with Skeletor. 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:35.070 Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's going to be number one. 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:42.769 I just know everything. Brad? Wow. I'm going 00:09:42.769 --> 00:09:45.490 to go, because they have such crazy fans, Dream 00:09:45.490 --> 00:09:48.950 Theater. That's not a bad one either. All right. 00:09:49.570 --> 00:09:56.330 Thank you. So at number five, selling 38 ,000 00:09:56.330 --> 00:10:01.720 units the first week. is Turnstile with Never 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.700 Enough. Turnstile is a band that we've talked 00:10:04.700 --> 00:10:06.639 about a little bit. They've started out as being 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:10.299 a hardcore band. And this new album, Never Enough, 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:15.860 is funny because that's the title of a song by 00:10:15.860 --> 00:10:20.970 The Cure. And this album... is more reminiscent 00:10:20.970 --> 00:10:25.049 of 80s pop in a lot of places with a lot of synth 00:10:25.049 --> 00:10:27.950 wave and stuff like that, and really only has 00:10:27.950 --> 00:10:30.629 two or three hardcore -sounding songs on it. 00:10:32.389 --> 00:10:34.870 Isn't Never Enough L .A. Guns? Am I thinking 00:10:34.870 --> 00:10:36.590 about that wrong? Never Enough, yeah, that's 00:10:36.590 --> 00:10:41.250 a song of theirs as well. So they've done something 00:10:41.250 --> 00:10:44.230 that they're... Original fans are probably really 00:10:44.230 --> 00:10:47.649 upset. But the thing is, live, they're supposedly 00:10:47.649 --> 00:10:50.049 a really good live band, and they appeared on 00:10:50.049 --> 00:10:56.990 the NPR's Tiny Desk concert series. And all they 00:10:56.990 --> 00:11:00.450 play is that, you know, hardcore punk type stuff. 00:11:03.429 --> 00:11:11.889 Turnstile, huh? Yes. Clammy whoever. Uh, goodbye. 00:11:16.529 --> 00:11:19.509 So anyone trying to shield their wares here, 00:11:19.669 --> 00:11:27.210 you will not be, uh, yeah. Would you, would you 00:11:27.210 --> 00:11:30.230 like those viewers? Yes. Uh, anyway. All right. 00:11:31.269 --> 00:11:35.129 Pat here. You can buy this hat here. Uh, not 00:11:35.129 --> 00:11:39.929 for much longer. Ooh, limited edition. Well, 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.240 Get on it, people. No, not because of that. The 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:51.879 company is, I've been waiting three weeks to 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:56.580 hear back from customer support. So, and in the 00:11:56.580 --> 00:11:59.519 meantime, I've had another merch provider approach 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:02.840 me. So in the new year, there may be a new merch 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.279 provider and there may be new signals from Mars 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:11.039 merch. We'll see. More fun stuff to buy. All 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:18.799 right. At number four, Ghost with Skeleta. Good 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:22.539 job. Only at number four, selling 86 ,000 units 00:12:22.539 --> 00:12:27.440 the first week. To be honest, when Ed said that, 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.179 I actually thought, well, this is going to be 00:12:29.179 --> 00:12:32.200 number one. Me too. Everybody says he's number 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.399 one. So we're going to traverse some territory. 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.539 later on with bands that we don't normally talk 00:12:40.539 --> 00:12:44.019 about i'll just leave it there okay that's going 00:12:44.019 --> 00:12:47.080 to be the rest of the uh top five here not necessarily 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.899 because number three is that vinyl album that 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:55.639 that i own and this came out this came out in 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.460 august actually because i listened to it in the 00:12:57.460 --> 00:13:02.879 states um it's deftones with private music that 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:10.460 Sold 87 ,000 copies the first week. I know that 00:13:10.460 --> 00:13:13.000 it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's a band 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.919 that I thoroughly enjoy and thought were great 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:22.940 live. Number two is a band that I would not rate 00:13:22.940 --> 00:13:27.720 anywhere near hard rock or metal, but the metal 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:33.840 press is behind them. They headlined one of the 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:41.139 nights at download this year. Oh, sleep token. 00:13:42.019 --> 00:13:46.480 I was going to say sleep token. If I could say 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.639 a second. Yeah. Even, even in Arcadia, I debuted 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:56.879 at number one on the billboard 200. I wonder 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.620 if those guys have ever been to Arcadia. Listen, 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.100 I like a lot of different types of hard rock 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:03.879 and metal. Edgar Winterson laughed at me for 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.539 talking about the Tron soundtrack, the Nine Inch 00:14:07.539 --> 00:14:11.419 Nails prong, or not prong soundtrack, Tron soundtrack, 00:14:11.659 --> 00:14:16.159 damn it. I like Nine Inch Nails. I like a lot 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:21.220 of different music. I'm not into Sleep Token 00:14:21.220 --> 00:14:26.029 at all. I just don't understand it. I know that 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:31.049 it's funny because there's been discussion recently 00:14:31.049 --> 00:14:34.690 with the band President, who's kind of in the 00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:37.990 same kind of thing. There are a lot of rumors 00:14:37.990 --> 00:14:42.889 circulating. They're both British bands. Is it 00:14:42.889 --> 00:14:45.230 Andy Copping is the guy from Download, Jeremy? 00:14:45.970 --> 00:14:48.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a lot of money tied 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:51.639 into both of these bands. That's my gut feeling. 00:14:51.740 --> 00:14:54.279 And that's why they're so popular is because 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.519 they've got a huge ton of money behind them. 00:14:59.740 --> 00:15:03.620 The number one selling band in the world or act 00:15:03.620 --> 00:15:12.159 is Taylor Swift. Okay. Taylor Swift's father 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:15.240 owns the biggest trucking company in the US. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.059 All right, is Swift Logistics. That's her dad. 00:15:23.659 --> 00:15:31.179 Who knew? Why she's so popular? Because of her 00:15:31.179 --> 00:15:33.440 music, because she works hard, because of this, 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.399 because of that. She was born into money. And 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.580 she's been able to leverage it. I'm not going 00:15:39.580 --> 00:15:42.820 to knock her because of that. But my gut feeling 00:15:42.820 --> 00:15:46.029 is Sleep Token precedent. All these bands that 00:15:46.029 --> 00:15:48.649 are now creeping out with the masks, with this, 00:15:48.710 --> 00:15:54.649 with that, that really sound nothing like metal 00:15:54.649 --> 00:15:59.789 bands. There are glam bands from the 80s that 00:15:59.789 --> 00:16:03.129 are more thrash than what Sleep Token is putting 00:16:03.129 --> 00:16:11.529 out right now. Sleep Token has a boatload of 00:16:11.529 --> 00:16:13.529 money behind them to help promote them in these. 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.960 Go ahead, Jeremy. I was just going to say, I 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.360 know the stepfather of one of the backing singers 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.000 and I'm going to see him tomorrow because I think 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.159 I mentioned to you that the backing singer, Paige, 00:16:27.340 --> 00:16:30.860 she used to live here in Kingsmead, Northwich, 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.220 just down the road from me. And so I know her 00:16:34.220 --> 00:16:38.100 stepfather. And so I'll pass on these good wishes 00:16:38.100 --> 00:16:48.960 tomorrow. Oh, boy. Yeah, I'll get a nice bouquet 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:53.759 of horse dung in the mail. Apparently they have 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.000 their own merchandise site now just for the backing 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.940 singers. Oh, wow. As well. Wow. Which band is 00:17:00.940 --> 00:17:03.899 this? Sleep Token. Sleep Token. They have backup 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:06.980 singers. Yeah, yeah, they've got three. Yeah, 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:08.880 they've actually got a name, but I forget what 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.279 the backing singers have got their own name as 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:13.730 well. Not just numbers? No, the rest of the members 00:17:13.730 --> 00:17:15.710 are numbers. You mentioned it previously because 00:17:15.710 --> 00:17:18.150 you did bring that up before. I don't know if 00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:23.049 you meant on air or off air. Yeah. But listen, 00:17:24.549 --> 00:17:27.950 even if with me knocking them, if they can make 00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:32.349 it, good for them. Just not my thing. Yeah. Yeah, 00:17:32.390 --> 00:17:34.690 yeah. I don't like them either. Again, I'm not 00:17:34.690 --> 00:17:37.869 going to knock you for liking them. I'm not going 00:17:37.869 --> 00:17:39.990 to say, oh, don't listen to them, blah, blah, 00:17:40.009 --> 00:17:42.539 blah. It's my opinion. It doesn't mean that my 00:17:42.539 --> 00:17:46.519 opinion has to fit everyone's, you know, tastes. 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.359 I'm just glad people are buying music. Yeah. 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.759 Yeah. Yeah. That's a good thing. Cause we, we 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.180 need, we need to keep music alive somehow. People 00:17:56.180 --> 00:18:03.279 need to play instruments. At number one is a 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.819 band. I think I posted, yeah, I posted stuff 00:18:05.819 --> 00:18:08.579 of theirs on Patreon. I believe I posted something 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:15.529 off of this album. The band is 21 Pilots. The 00:18:15.529 --> 00:18:21.009 album is Breach. And the first week, they sold 00:18:21.009 --> 00:18:31.450 200 ,000 units. Wow. Wow. There you go. It's 00:18:31.450 --> 00:18:34.450 funny. The only reason I know that band is because 00:18:34.450 --> 00:18:39.890 back around 2008 to 2010, when you go into Starbucks, 00:18:40.650 --> 00:18:43.109 they would have these free iTunes downloads. 00:18:44.170 --> 00:18:46.630 And I would get one every time and check it out. 00:18:46.670 --> 00:18:50.150 It would always be indie pop acts and folk acts. 00:18:50.549 --> 00:18:53.269 And one of them was one of those songs. That's 00:18:53.269 --> 00:18:55.369 the only song I've ever heard by them. I've just 00:18:55.369 --> 00:18:57.789 kind of known of them because of that. And then, 00:18:57.809 --> 00:19:00.329 of course, a year or two ago, you told me they 00:19:00.329 --> 00:19:03.569 were one of the biggest bands in the world. And 00:19:03.569 --> 00:19:06.289 I guess they still are, from what you're saying. 00:19:06.289 --> 00:19:10.740 Looks like it. All right. Good for them. Yeah. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.319 So let's move on to top grossing hard rock and 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:24.279 metal tours of 2025. Okay. Any guesses? Well, 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:27.019 let's go in opposite order this time. Brad, who 00:19:27.019 --> 00:19:33.019 do you think? Name a band that's in here. Well, 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.940 let's see. Iron Maiden have been on tour. Yeah, 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:39.299 why not? Iron Maiden. Oh, that was my choice. 00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:42.680 Yeah, me too. Sorry, Jeremy. I'll have to think 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:44.400 about it. That means you have to pick a US band. 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:46.240 You guys can double down if you want. That's 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:49.200 fine. If you guys want to say Iron Maiden, that's 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.180 cool too. Well, no, that's all right. We'll think 00:19:52.180 --> 00:19:55.680 of something else. I've got another one. Well, 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.779 go ahead so I can keep thinking. Let's see. Mine 00:19:58.779 --> 00:20:03.319 is going to be ACDC because I think they were 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.210 still on tour this year. They were. So they must 00:20:06.210 --> 00:20:08.509 have made a lot of money out of it. So, yeah, 00:20:08.589 --> 00:20:14.210 ACDC. Yeah, all those big stadiums. Not as many 00:20:14.210 --> 00:20:20.950 shows, but Belinda Carlisle. Edgar Winterson 00:20:20.950 --> 00:20:26.710 is head over heels. Yeah, I kind of get a feeling 00:20:26.710 --> 00:20:28.730 that he's got like a Belinda Carlisle poster 00:20:28.730 --> 00:20:33.390 in his bedroom. On the ceiling, perhaps? Ed, 00:20:33.609 --> 00:20:39.750 any? Oh, I've got it. I can go easy. Metallica. 00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:42.529 I know they've been out playing, right? They're 00:20:42.529 --> 00:20:46.630 always playing somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Okay, here 00:20:46.630 --> 00:20:54.009 we go. At number five, $50 million made on their 00:20:54.009 --> 00:21:03.420 recently started farewell tour, Megadeth. Okay. 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:06.279 Wow. Megadeth in the top five. Good job, boys. 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.180 Yeah. Number four. Sorry, Dean Ellison. Number 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:22.220 four. Having grossed 95 .6 million. It is Guns 00:21:22.220 --> 00:21:26.240 N' Roses. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. 00:21:26.980 --> 00:21:35.220 Number three. Grossing 136 .3. $2 million. Only 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:39.980 playing two shows a week. The M72 World Tour 00:21:39.980 --> 00:21:46.720 from Metallica. Oh, wow. That's quite a jump 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.480 in money between these guys so far. Absolutely. 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.480 And the last two are pretty similar. There's 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.160 a considerable jump. But also what I just said, 00:21:58.180 --> 00:22:00.380 remember what I just said, Metallica made that 00:22:00.380 --> 00:22:05.200 much playing two shows a week. These other bands 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:09.420 are playing consistently for the most part. Number 00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:18.819 two, From Zero World Tour, 150 .6 million, Linkin 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:24.059 Park. Wow. What? Well, it's their first tour 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:30.619 in years. Wow. Good to know everybody showed 00:22:30.619 --> 00:22:33.480 up for him when they came back. Yeah. There's 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.200 the man. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.319 There you go. But at number one, Run For Your 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:45.960 Lives World Tour, 150 .9 million. Iron Maiden. 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:56.890 Yeah. Way to go. So they made what? There's a 00:22:56.890 --> 00:23:04.910 $3 million difference there, $150 .9 million 00:23:04.910 --> 00:23:09.789 to $150 .6 million. Jeremy, you're the economist. 00:23:12.269 --> 00:23:18.849 Yeah, big gap. And then to Metallica, $136 .2, 00:23:19.089 --> 00:23:25.299 Guns N' Roses, $95 .6, and Megadeth, $50. I guess 00:23:25.299 --> 00:23:27.900 that's why it's so hard to retire, man, if you're 00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:30.420 making that kind of money playing rock and roll. 00:23:30.579 --> 00:23:33.640 Yeah, but this is gross revenue. This will be 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:35.619 gross. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you've got to 00:23:35.619 --> 00:23:37.759 remember that. You've got to pay a lot of bills 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.160 with that. A lot of bills, a lot of taxes to 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.339 pay. But listen, these guys are big acts. They're 00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:47.380 making money out of it. Um, and yeah, good luck. 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.880 That's, that's, but that, that's, that's a good 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.299 problem to have. I wouldn't mind, uh, making 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:54.980 that much money and having to pay taxes on it, 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.259 you know? Cause I mean, even with maiden, um, 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.900 you've got this, well, I was going to say the 00:24:02.900 --> 00:24:07.220 six members of the band that the pair, you know, 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.400 it'd be interesting to know though, is, is that 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:15.769 split six ways or is there a tier? Gotta be tiered. 00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:18.549 Yeah, well, Steve Harris must get more. Before 00:24:18.549 --> 00:24:21.069 you cut me off, think of this. Think of this, 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:27.029 Brad. You cut me off. Think of this. Is Maiden 00:24:27.029 --> 00:24:30.890 six members or seven members? How much money 00:24:30.890 --> 00:24:36.250 is Nico still making? How much money is Steve 00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:39.349 Dawson making? I think that's his name, right? 00:24:39.410 --> 00:24:43.579 Steve Dawson, the drummer? Yeah. It's Dawson. 00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:46.140 It's something Dawson. It's Steve or Sean Dawson. 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.940 One or the other. Steve Dawson and that's Jackson. 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:55.519 Anyway. There's those seven. There's their managers. 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.660 Plus there's the entire road crew. Plus they 00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:02.980 have to pay the support act. They have to pay 00:25:02.980 --> 00:25:04.660 the support acts as well, don't they? I mean, 00:25:04.660 --> 00:25:08.359 they've got to pay them something. Or not. They 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.940 might be buying onto the tour. Yeah. That's another 00:25:12.940 --> 00:25:16.500 thing to consider. Yeah. That's the tour you'd 00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:20.059 want to pay to open up. Yeah. You got to sell 00:25:20.059 --> 00:25:23.019 a bit of match. Big audience. Yeah. And well, 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:24.880 I guess next year they're going to have mega 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:29.960 death and anthrax on the tour. Except, except 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.160 I went to see the, I made into it. I can't remember 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:36.779 the Raven age. They're on there because it's 00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:42.329 Steve Harris's son. Oh yeah. Yeah, the last Raven 00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:45.589 Age is his. I forget which other band they had, 00:25:45.710 --> 00:25:50.650 which was Bruce's son. They've had Lauren Harris 00:25:50.650 --> 00:25:54.809 out, which Richie Faulkner was in the band at 00:25:54.809 --> 00:26:00.849 the time. So I'm sure they're getting those bands 00:26:00.849 --> 00:26:05.490 at a discount. And possibly the only members 00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:07.609 of those bands that are making money are the 00:26:07.609 --> 00:26:12.910 kids. That could be quite possible as well. It 00:26:12.910 --> 00:26:15.990 could be that the rest of the members of the 00:26:15.990 --> 00:26:22.230 band aren't really getting a whole lot. I would 00:26:22.230 --> 00:26:26.230 think that Maiden has probably worked something 00:26:26.230 --> 00:26:30.029 out, and this is me talking out of my ass, really 00:26:30.029 --> 00:26:32.829 not knowing what I'm talking about, but I'm assuming 00:26:32.829 --> 00:26:37.190 that Simon Dawson isn't making as much as the 00:26:37.190 --> 00:26:41.769 rest of the members. I'm assuming that Nico is 00:26:41.769 --> 00:26:47.170 getting a cut. I don't know if he's making as 00:26:47.170 --> 00:26:51.809 much as Simon. I don't know. Or it could be the 00:26:51.809 --> 00:26:53.849 other way around. Maybe Nico is still making 00:26:53.849 --> 00:26:57.509 more than Simon because he's the name. Because 00:26:57.509 --> 00:27:00.190 Nico's out doing all the signings of the books. 00:27:02.589 --> 00:27:05.589 Yeah, I guess there's a few ways they could work 00:27:05.589 --> 00:27:08.579 this. You could either be a hired hand. you know, 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.059 getting paid a certain amount of money for each 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.720 concert or on an annual retainer. The other thing 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.380 is whether you've actually got shares in the 00:27:17.380 --> 00:27:19.660 company. I mean, Iron Maiden will be a company 00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:22.460 in which probably Steve Harris has got, you know, 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.920 the majority share ownership in. And so there's 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.420 all that as well. So he might earn a salary from 00:27:29.420 --> 00:27:31.420 it that's equal to the rest of the band, but 00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:34.759 he might also earn a return on his shares. That's 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.630 a good point. Because I think Judas Priest is 00:27:38.630 --> 00:27:40.109 set up like that, aren't they? Because that's 00:27:40.109 --> 00:27:42.569 why KK Downing was always, he was like a part 00:27:42.569 --> 00:27:46.829 of the bands still, even when he left. Yeah, 00:27:46.849 --> 00:27:48.849 and if he ever comes back, he's going to be an 00:27:48.849 --> 00:27:57.190 employee. Yeah. So, all right. Any shockers there 00:27:57.190 --> 00:28:03.430 with that top five? No. Not really. Well, Linkin 00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:06.809 Park, maybe. Well, yeah. I think Linkin Park, 00:28:06.930 --> 00:28:10.309 again, they've been away for a while. You also 00:28:10.309 --> 00:28:12.769 have to think of the fact that even though they 00:28:12.769 --> 00:28:18.890 are, you know, within the genre, they've had 00:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.690 a lot of pop success as well. They've had a lot 00:28:22.690 --> 00:28:27.549 of mainstream crossover. And they're doing this 00:28:27.549 --> 00:28:31.049 in smaller arenas. I mean, they're not playing 00:28:31.049 --> 00:28:35.150 stadiums like Maiden and Metallica or even Guns 00:28:35.150 --> 00:28:40.390 N' Roses. They're playing, you know, your Pepsi 00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:46.970 Centers and Madison Square Garden. Oh, yeah, 00:28:47.029 --> 00:28:51.369 yeah, yeah. Not knocking it. The other thing, 00:28:51.369 --> 00:28:54.049 too, I don't know who else was on the bills for 00:28:54.049 --> 00:28:57.930 all of these. I mean, I don't know if Lincoln 00:28:57.930 --> 00:29:02.309 Park was the only real band on that tour. You 00:29:02.309 --> 00:29:04.430 know what I mean? Yeah, but they're going to 00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:07.829 be the selling point for people. Even Maiden, 00:29:07.869 --> 00:29:10.490 we're talking about Megadeth and Anthrax opening 00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:13.410 up for them, but the majority of the people there 00:29:13.410 --> 00:29:16.210 are going to be for Maiden. Metallica's been 00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:19.230 playing with Pantera, and they've been playing 00:29:19.230 --> 00:29:27.049 with Ice Nine Kills and Mammoth. Uh, black, was 00:29:27.049 --> 00:29:30.490 it black? No, not black label. Um, there's a 00:29:30.490 --> 00:29:33.490 fourth band that they've had going with them 00:29:33.490 --> 00:29:35.910 for quite some time as well. And I don't remember 00:29:35.910 --> 00:29:40.730 who, but, and they're also doing, you know, uh, 00:29:40.789 --> 00:29:43.450 shows in the parking lot in New York. They had 00:29:43.450 --> 00:29:46.549 her in New Jersey. Actually, they had overkill 00:29:46.549 --> 00:29:48.950 play one day and they had prong play the other 00:29:48.950 --> 00:29:51.230 day in the part or the second night in the parking 00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:54.339 lot. So. they're splitting money between all 00:29:54.339 --> 00:29:57.319 these bands, but they're still the main draw. 00:29:59.299 --> 00:30:03.920 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like those other bands 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.759 are putting extra butts in the seats. Right. 00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:10.660 You know, it's like, well, I wasn't going to 00:30:10.660 --> 00:30:12.539 go see main, but Oh, when I found out overkill 00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:13.920 was going to be in the parking lot. I'm there. 00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:20.799 Yeah. Well, who knows? You know, think too that 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.079 we're getting close to that point to where the 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.180 people that were kids like in high school in 00:30:28.180 --> 00:30:31.079 the 90s and going into college listening to those 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:35.079 new and alt metal bands and then you know there 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.559 was uh you know then you also had post grunge 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.079 and a lot of pop punk bands that came out you 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.400 know leading up to 2000 a lot of those people 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.039 are getting to that age we're gonna they're gonna 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:48.339 start uh they're they're getting into their 40s 00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:50.910 now They're going to start reminiscing back on 00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:53.789 the music they grew up with. And, you know, that's 00:30:53.789 --> 00:30:56.650 what we've seen. Me being a Gen Xer, that's what 00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:58.210 I've been seeing with a lot of my metal bands 00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:01.789 is, you know, it all kind of died away there 00:31:01.789 --> 00:31:05.569 for a while. And then as I got into my 40s, things, 00:31:05.750 --> 00:31:09.829 you know, luckily it wasn't us just having to 00:31:09.829 --> 00:31:11.670 go back and reminisce, but these bands went out 00:31:11.670 --> 00:31:15.750 and went to a new level with their music writing. 00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:19.819 production and and just you know they're still 00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:22.839 jamming but they're taking advantage you know 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.819 of course of the nostalgia right and uh which 00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:29.779 we we all benefit from that we all love it and 00:31:29.779 --> 00:31:33.740 so yeah the kids that were you know eight to 00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:36.640 ten years younger than me i think uh we're gonna 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.880 start hearing seeing a lot of their bands yeah 00:31:39.740 --> 00:31:42.799 A lot more, again, like Linkin Park and whoever 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:44.819 is still around to do that. We're seeing that 00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:46.720 already with the festivals where a lot of the 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.319 festivals are starting to slowly switch over 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.339 to bands that were popular in the 90s because 00:31:52.339 --> 00:31:55.599 a lot of the bands that were big in the 80s, 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.299 like you're saying, have had the run for the 00:31:59.299 --> 00:32:06.759 last 15, 20 years. And what's happened is that 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.940 those people are getting, Older, can't tour anymore. 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:20.420 And members are dropping off. Well, not just 00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:23.539 members, but your audience. I've had so many 00:32:23.539 --> 00:32:27.359 people my age die in the last few years. It's 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.759 like they almost don't, you know, they're losing 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.859 their audience as well a lot sooner than you 00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:36.259 might expect. Yeah, and here's the other thing, 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.180 too, is how many of these bands are going out 00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.700 and just playing the same songs over and over 00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:45.460 again? They haven't switched their set list up 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.599 in those last 15 to 20 years. So also, if people 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.519 aren't dying off, they're killing their audience 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.500 because their audience is saying, yeah, that's 00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:58.220 the same set list I've been seeing for the last 00:32:58.220 --> 00:33:01.140 10 tours, so I'm not going this time around. 00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:06.099 Yeah. I'm going to argue that the average fan, 00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:09.299 you know, we're different kind of fans, the four 00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.059 of us. But the average fan, I think, wants to 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:14.240 hear those songs over and over again. You think? 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.640 I don't know. I don't have any proof to back 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.519 that up. But other than when you go to a show 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.859 and you see that the people go just nuts over 00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:29.319 songs. you could care less to hear again because 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:30.900 they've heard it so much. It's like, oh, God, 00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:34.420 I've got to hear this one again. And then everybody 00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:39.119 goes nuts. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I've been to Europe 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.119 many times, and it's the final countdown at the 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:45.299 end, the encore. Everyone is there for that song. 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.700 Yep. Perfect example there. Does Saxon switch 00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:53.170 their set list up from tour to tour? They change 00:33:53.170 --> 00:33:56.269 some songs around. They obviously play always 00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:58.569 three songs off the new album. There's always 00:33:58.569 --> 00:34:00.490 a new album coming out. They'll play a few new 00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:02.829 ones. I love to hear the new ones, and I love 00:34:02.829 --> 00:34:06.009 to hear. But they have a certain amount of songs 00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:09.110 they have to play, like any of these major bands, 00:34:09.369 --> 00:34:12.530 these legacy bands that we call. They all have 00:34:12.530 --> 00:34:15.650 to play those hits. And so Wheels of Steel, 747, 00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:18.389 Princess of the Night, those are the songs that 00:34:18.389 --> 00:34:21.760 are always in the set, really. yeah i'm gonna 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.719 say since since i've uh done a few saxon tours 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.420 where i've seen five six shows on one tour um 00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:33.920 that now with with the new guitar player with 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.619 uh tatler in there uh he doesn't have quite the 00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:41.219 catalog under his fingers as the other guys did 00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:48.280 but back before him They would, yeah, you would 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.440 see a totally, I mean, kind of start off with 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.179 the same few songs and then it would just drift 00:34:54.179 --> 00:34:56.079 from there. I mean, Biff would just start calling 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.360 songs out and asking the crowd what they want 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.820 to hear. And even that last tour that I went 00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:05.300 and saw them on after Taz had joined the band, 00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:07.820 they only had a couple of songs that weren't 00:35:07.820 --> 00:35:11.280 in the normal set. We saw them play, let's see, 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:16.670 four, one, two, three, four shows in Texas. And 00:35:16.670 --> 00:35:19.530 the set was not exactly the same every night. 00:35:19.610 --> 00:35:22.510 There was always one or two different songs. 00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:28.670 That's awesome. So let me just read off the last 00:35:28.670 --> 00:35:33.230 show that Judas Priest did back in October. You 00:35:33.230 --> 00:35:35.349 know they're not changing their set at all on 00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:39.250 the tour. Not during the tour, but tour to tour. 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.920 That's what I mean, not during, but they'll mix 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.239 it up for the next one. But they played All Guns 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.639 Blazing, Hell Patrol, You've Got Another Thing 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.659 Coming, Freewheel Burning, Breaking the Law, 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.000 A Touch of Evil, Nightcrawler, Solar Angels, 00:35:54.539 --> 00:36:00.960 Gates of Hell, The Hellion, Electric Eye, Giants 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.500 in the Sky, Painkiller, Hellbent for Leather, 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.489 and Living After Midnight. I'd say that more 00:36:09.489 --> 00:36:11.269 than half of those songs are songs you're not 00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:13.309 normally going to hear them play. You're not 00:36:13.309 --> 00:36:17.289 going to normally hear them play. Yeah. We could 00:36:17.289 --> 00:36:19.230 throw a third negative in there and really make 00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:24.889 it funny. Yeah. I mean, if you listen to that 00:36:24.889 --> 00:36:26.449 list, it's like, well, how many of those are 00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:28.550 like, you know, you're going to hear those in 00:36:28.550 --> 00:36:31.889 a juice. You've got another thing coming, which 00:36:31.889 --> 00:36:34.170 they haven't played on tour. Definitely. They 00:36:34.170 --> 00:36:36.010 have to play. Well, I've seen them where they 00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:40.260 haven't played it. Oh, yeah. On purpose? Yeah, 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:42.880 yeah, yeah. And I've also seen them when they've 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.320 done a 15 -minute rendition of the song. Oh, 00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:52.019 God. Please, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah! Sorry. 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:02.800 Did you record that? Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Wait, 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.960 was I in the right key? I think you were. To 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.760 your point. All right. So they played a lot of 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.619 schools. I've got to say one other thing. I was 00:37:14.619 --> 00:37:25.300 talking to Nigel and Graham, not Graham. A couple 00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:28.679 of boys in Saxon once. I said, have you guys 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.380 ever done a show that you didn't play Wheels 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:35.860 of Steel? And they said, yeah. And I said, well, 00:37:36.110 --> 00:37:37.449 What the hell happened? I mean, how did that 00:37:37.449 --> 00:37:40.429 go? Did you guys get off stage and go, lads, 00:37:40.429 --> 00:37:44.489 we didn't play Wheels of Steel. How did that 00:37:44.489 --> 00:37:48.230 happen? I mean, there's no way since that album 00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:50.070 came out that they could do a show without playing 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:53.630 that song. But they claim they did. And I thought, 00:37:53.630 --> 00:37:58.409 I don't know. Well, with this set list, it's 00:37:58.409 --> 00:38:00.989 painkiller heavy because of the anniversary. 00:38:02.619 --> 00:38:04.800 Well, they're going to play Painkiller every 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.000 show now. That's one that's going to be in the 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.300 set. The one that I'm interested in is they did 00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:16.139 Giants in the Sky off of the latest album. You'll 00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:18.139 never hear that song played live again after 00:38:18.139 --> 00:38:19.940 this tour. I don't know because they've made 00:38:19.940 --> 00:38:24.420 that song all about a salute to people that have 00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:27.760 passed away, where they show Ozzy, they show 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:35.389 Dio, they show... Yeah, well, I think it'd be 00:38:35.389 --> 00:38:40.170 way cool if that song became a regular in the 00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:42.489 set. Because I keep thinking that every time 00:38:42.489 --> 00:38:45.389 a band comes out with an album that has a really 00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:48.789 good song on there, and they play it live, and 00:38:48.789 --> 00:38:51.309 you're like, man, that was really cool. And it'd 00:38:51.309 --> 00:38:55.289 be nice if it became a regular part of their 00:38:55.289 --> 00:38:58.309 set. But you don't see that very often. Yeah, 00:38:58.309 --> 00:39:01.389 because they didn't play anything off of Firepower, 00:39:01.550 --> 00:39:05.400 for example. Yeah. I think one of the things 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:06.940 we have to remember with some of these bands 00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:09.699 is that they've released so many albums now. 00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:12.480 I mean, they're still releasing albums. As we 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.440 know, Judas Priest just released an album. Iron 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.500 Maiden just released an album. So they're always 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.559 going to have this problem of choosing what to 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.119 play live. They know there's a certain amount 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:23.260 of songs they have to play that are the old songs 00:39:23.260 --> 00:39:26.019 because there's always the old guys, the old 00:39:26.019 --> 00:39:29.139 ladies who are going to the shows who want to 00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:33.280 hear all those hits. they can only put in a certain 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.440 amount of new stuff without it being boring to, 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.780 you know, like Brad just said, the average person 00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:43.159 wants to hear, you know, all that legacy stuff. 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.960 And it's very difficult. The more and more albums 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.780 they've got, it's easier for Guns N' Roses because 00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:52.820 they haven't actually released many albums. Yeah, 00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:56.179 that's right. They don't have any choice. They 00:39:56.179 --> 00:39:58.460 have to play. But the other thing is with Guns 00:39:58.460 --> 00:40:00.599 N' Roses, they play for three hours, whereas 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.920 the others don't. So in that three hours, they 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.599 can play all the hits. They can also bung in 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:07.519 a load of old tunes. They can do a few covers. 00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:11.780 They can have a few solos. And it's easy for 00:40:11.780 --> 00:40:16.780 them. Yeah, so just to compare the Iron Maiden 00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:21.500 set list. So they did Murders in the Rue Morgue, 00:40:21.500 --> 00:40:25.900 Wrathchild, Killers, Phantom of the Opera, Number 00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:29.099 of the Beast, The Clairvoyant, Power Slave. Wait, 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.880 wait, wait. So Number of the Beast, so far that's 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.340 the only song that I would say you're going to 00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:37.340 hear pretty much every time you're going to see 00:40:37.340 --> 00:40:39.300 Iron Maiden. All the rest of those aren't. Number 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:42.119 of the Beast, this is the first tour that they 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.519 brought that song back in several tours. Really? 00:40:45.940 --> 00:40:52.119 Wow. I could be wrong. Two Minutes to Midnight, 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.239 Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Run to the Hills, 00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:02.880 Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, The Trooper, Hallowed 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:09.960 Be Thy Name. This is the first time they've played 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.489 this on tour in like four tours. Yeah, they found 00:41:14.489 --> 00:41:17.329 them. But that was every tour before that, ever 00:41:17.329 --> 00:41:19.869 since that album came out. That was the last 00:41:19.869 --> 00:41:24.130 song. Iron Maiden, Ace of Spies. That's got to 00:41:24.130 --> 00:41:27.210 be there. Fear of the Dark, and Wasted Years. 00:41:29.630 --> 00:41:32.130 Wasted Years. So Peace of Mind only gets one 00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:36.590 tune. Yeah. It's kind of sad. But I would say 00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:39.489 that most of those songs are songs you're not 00:41:39.489 --> 00:41:41.230 going to hear every time you go see them. That's 00:41:41.230 --> 00:41:42.269 actually a really good set list. That's right. 00:41:43.049 --> 00:41:45.809 Maybe I should. Wasn't this the one as well where 00:41:45.809 --> 00:41:48.090 the drummer was learning stuff for this tour 00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:50.949 as well? Yeah, but they claimed that he learned 00:41:50.949 --> 00:41:53.250 stuff really quickly. That's what Bruce said. 00:41:53.710 --> 00:42:00.030 Right. Yeah. Fear is the key. Yeah, I used to 00:42:00.030 --> 00:42:02.070 love that song when it first came out. Listened 00:42:02.070 --> 00:42:05.289 to that album not that long ago, and I was like, 00:42:05.309 --> 00:42:09.170 wow, I used to love this back in 92. All right. 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.179 So top five hard rock and metal news stories 00:42:14.179 --> 00:42:22.820 of 2025. And I purposely did not include any 00:42:22.820 --> 00:42:30.679 deaths in this. So five bands that you guys think 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:37.550 will be in this top five. Ed, any band? For headline 00:42:37.550 --> 00:42:43.630 news. Yeah, the five most talked about stories 00:42:43.630 --> 00:42:48.070 in 2025. Again, I'm going to take the easy route 00:42:48.070 --> 00:42:53.429 and say Arch Enemy. Okay. The vocalist changed 00:42:53.429 --> 00:42:57.429 there. Wow. I think that's a pretty big story 00:42:57.429 --> 00:43:03.750 amongst all those fans. Okay. Brad, you? I'm 00:43:03.750 --> 00:43:05.150 going to take the easy one, the low -hanging 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:09.170 fruit, Black Sabbath. Okay. Jeremy? Back to the 00:43:09.170 --> 00:43:11.429 beginning. I'm going to go for a wild card, and 00:43:11.429 --> 00:43:13.369 I'm going to say The Loudmouth Who Can't Sing, 00:43:13.510 --> 00:43:16.710 Dave Lee Roth. Yeah, that's good. Definitely. 00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:19.849 He got a lot of press. All right. Number five. 00:43:22.750 --> 00:43:25.670 Sleep Token reaching number one on the Billboard 00:43:25.670 --> 00:43:32.090 200. Okay. Moving on to number four. Yeah. Number 00:43:32.090 --> 00:43:36.039 four. Black Sabbath, back to the beginning. Final 00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:40.360 show narrative becomes central to the 2025 metal 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:48.940 discourse. Okay. Number three. Kiss. What's next? 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:56.860 Continues. Avatar's projects talk. Wow. Wow. 00:43:57.059 --> 00:44:02.889 Okay. Number two. Okay. Ghost hits number one 00:44:02.889 --> 00:44:08.250 on the Billboard 200 with Skeletor. Okay. And 00:44:08.250 --> 00:44:14.690 the number one discussed news piece of the year 00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:20.289 is Megadeth's announcement to retire, final album, 00:44:20.309 --> 00:44:24.309 and farewell tour plans. You would have think 00:44:24.309 --> 00:44:27.570 I would have thought of that one. But I forgot. 00:44:31.019 --> 00:44:32.960 Yeah, that's probably the biggest story right 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.719 there for sure. That makes sense. I'm surprised 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.900 the Back to the Beginning didn't get more. Yeah, 00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.179 you think that. It was number four. I would have 00:44:42.179 --> 00:44:47.639 pinned that as being number one, given all of 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.139 the stuff that's around it, all of the unique 00:44:50.139 --> 00:44:53.000 combinations, the bands that covered Black Sabbath 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:58.460 and everything. Did Ozzy's death overshadow it? 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.960 And that's why. You know, we didn't carry on 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:08.820 about it. I don't know about that, but yeah, 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:12.159 I think that fed into it actually. Yeah. I don't 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.780 know because Ozzy died two weeks later, you know? 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.460 So if there was like a groundswell about back 00:45:19.460 --> 00:45:23.320 to the beginning and maybe having some type of 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.019 like DVD coming out and stuff like that, once 00:45:26.019 --> 00:45:29.119 Ozzy died, that kind of went away because the 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:39.920 focus was Ozzy. The Kiss Avatar talk and stuff, 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.619 yeah. I did a whole thing last week with Hooligan 00:45:45.619 --> 00:45:49.019 Nation about that. So, yeah, there's people still 00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:53.639 talking about that, especially since the whole 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:59.519 Landlocked Cruise thing. We should talk about 00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.559 that sometime, man. Have you watched stuff from 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.880 that? I don't want to get off on a tangent. Well, 00:46:05.980 --> 00:46:09.440 we could talk about that one second because the 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.099 other two things that were here were the number 00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:17.980 one albums by Sleep Token and Ghost. Ghost, to 00:46:17.980 --> 00:46:20.159 me, wasn't a surprise because they've charted 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.599 fairly high last few tours. Sleep Token, to me, 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.079 again, A surprise, but maybe that shows I'm out 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:32.019 of touch. Who knows? The Megadeth retirement, 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:40.300 to me, personally, to quote Bruce Dickinson, 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.559 somewhere in time, deja vu, feels like we've 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:49.760 been here before. They already had a final tour 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.320 and album when they released The World Needs 00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:56.980 a Hero. Then The System Has Failed was supposed 00:46:56.980 --> 00:46:59.760 to be a solo album, and then it ended up becoming 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.800 a Megadeth album, and they haven't gone away 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.280 since. This final tour is going to last a million 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.760 years, apparently, because we've already discussed 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:11.639 how much money these bands are making out there 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:17.460 on tour. So as shocking as it is, as neat as 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:20.739 the three songs have been that they've released, 00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:28.659 I chalk this up as I'll believe it when I see 00:47:28.659 --> 00:47:34.000 it. Because I can see Dave in three or four years 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.480 say, you know what? We're having fun on tour. 00:47:36.619 --> 00:47:41.539 This is the greatest lineup ever. You know, I 00:47:41.539 --> 00:47:44.800 thought I was going to hang it up, but we're 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.860 just having way too much tour, way too much fun 00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:51.000 on tour. We're going to continue. Way too much 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.960 money. Way too much money. My wife has bought 00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.340 too much expensive shit for our ranch. They've 00:47:58.340 --> 00:48:01.119 bought... We're doing it for the fans because 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:03.539 the fans want to pay us to do this. Yeah, we're 00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:06.619 doing it for the fans because I have 20 new horses 00:48:06.619 --> 00:48:10.619 on my ranch. And somebody's got to pay for them. 00:48:12.380 --> 00:48:19.719 So, the Megadeth announcement. The Megadeth announcement. 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:29.440 Did it surprise anybody? Yeah, I think I was 00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.119 a little bit surprised when it happened, yeah. 00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:35.280 Do you think he'll hold up to the retirement? 00:48:37.460 --> 00:48:41.099 It depends what plans he's got. Did he say what 00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:43.260 he was going to do when he actually retires? 00:48:43.420 --> 00:48:46.579 All they've said is final album and that this 00:48:46.579 --> 00:48:51.710 final tour will be several years long. All right. 00:48:51.710 --> 00:48:55.269 Okay. So, yeah, I mean, obviously he's just looking 00:48:55.269 --> 00:48:58.070 ahead to playing live and getting it done and 00:48:58.070 --> 00:49:01.250 whether he's got any thoughts afterwards, I don't 00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:05.989 know, but difficult to say really. I mean, how 00:49:05.989 --> 00:49:09.650 old is he now? What's more? He's in his sixties. 00:49:09.769 --> 00:49:13.670 Early sixties. But he could be late sixties by 00:49:13.670 --> 00:49:15.710 the time he finishes it and whether he feels 00:49:15.710 --> 00:49:17.809 that, you know, it's quite a fast paced music, 00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:20.199 isn't it? So we're not talking about. playing 00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.360 sort of laid back blues on tour and, you know, 00:49:23.380 --> 00:49:27.420 doing a Lynyrd Skynyrd. That's just it right 00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:32.420 there. If he were to continue on after all of 00:49:32.420 --> 00:49:36.139 this, his musical style would have to change 00:49:36.139 --> 00:49:38.280 because he's getting to where he can't physically 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.699 do it. Yeah. He's 64. And I get it, man. Like, 00:49:42.699 --> 00:49:47.900 I've so far... Like that last album, that song, 00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:50.119 We'll Be Back, one of their fastest tunes that 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:54.980 they've made. And also, not just fast one note, 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.659 but it's got some galloping fast riffs. I can 00:49:59.659 --> 00:50:03.420 play that. But it hurts like hell by the time 00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:11.159 that I'm done. And I'm just 55. And he's been 00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.199 saying that his hands started failing on him 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:18.889 a bit. and uh and when that happens you still 00:50:18.889 --> 00:50:22.349 got some life in you i can tell but some of those 00:50:22.349 --> 00:50:24.309 kinds of songs are going to get to where he just 00:50:24.309 --> 00:50:28.190 can't do it anymore yeah now he may be able to 00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:31.010 do it like as a one -off but to try to do a whole 00:50:31.010 --> 00:50:33.630 show of that stuff so he would end up having 00:50:33.630 --> 00:50:36.250 to go back playing all the stuff that i don't 00:50:36.250 --> 00:50:41.150 like as a full show almost maybe putting in uh 00:50:42.170 --> 00:50:46.630 Holy Wars, though, man, that'll tear your wrist 00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:48.829 up, too, trying to get through that at full speed. 00:50:51.429 --> 00:50:54.090 Yeah, I almost think with some of these thrash 00:50:54.090 --> 00:50:59.349 metal guys at this age, even if they were planning 00:50:59.349 --> 00:51:02.030 to fool you and come back, their bodies aren't 00:51:02.030 --> 00:51:05.110 going to let them, I don't think. So I think, 00:51:05.130 --> 00:51:07.130 now, Mustaine, he's going to be able to make 00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:11.250 money until the day he's gone, for sure. But 00:51:11.250 --> 00:51:14.730 maybe he can do some more stuff like the Super 00:51:14.730 --> 00:51:19.409 Collider finally, but do it apart from his thrash 00:51:19.409 --> 00:51:23.210 metal band. Do some of the rock stuff that he's 00:51:23.210 --> 00:51:25.489 always trying to kind of push into Megadeth and 00:51:25.489 --> 00:51:29.030 gets a lot of pushback. When he's to the point 00:51:29.030 --> 00:51:31.210 where he can't play the fast stuff anymore, maybe 00:51:31.210 --> 00:51:33.449 he can go do that in his retirement. Because 00:51:33.449 --> 00:51:36.010 those songs, like Super Collider, that's a really 00:51:36.010 --> 00:51:39.380 dang good song by itself. Redline, really great 00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:42.400 song by itself. Yeah, or we might sort of write 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.159 with other people as well. That's the other thing. 00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.539 Exactly, yeah. They could all have fun doing 00:51:46.539 --> 00:51:48.239 that stuff. Have you heard any of the three new 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.059 songs yet, or are you waiting for the entire 00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:55.679 album? Yeah, okay, so Decibel Geek, guys, you 00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.139 got me again. I'm listening to their new show, 00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:04.039 and they're talking about Megadeth, and I didn't 00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:06.059 pay attention to the fact that they started playing 00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:09.230 a song. from the new album at the end of their 00:52:09.230 --> 00:52:12.110 conversation about Dave. And about 30 seconds 00:52:12.110 --> 00:52:14.070 later, I realized I was listening to the new 00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:16.210 Macadeth. And so I was like, oh, well, I'll just 00:52:16.210 --> 00:52:21.889 finish it. And it was like, it was a magical 00:52:21.889 --> 00:52:25.030 experience what I heard. I'm not too sure what 00:52:25.030 --> 00:52:31.630 song it was, but it was some of the finest guitar 00:52:31.630 --> 00:52:36.380 solo work that I've heard yet. Just from the 00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:39.280 30 -second clip they play. I'm so excited to 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.840 hear Timu on this album. Even just when I hear 00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.960 him play little pieces, I get excited to hear 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.559 more. That guy is just amazing. And after Megadeth 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:57.280 is gone, man, Timu, hopefully he can carry some 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.820 of that on himself. As good as he is, that guy 00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:03.199 should be able to have a full -time career the 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:05.469 rest of his life. Well, once you're in a band 00:53:05.469 --> 00:53:09.809 like Megadeth, the door is going to be open. 00:53:09.809 --> 00:53:13.389 Yeah, that gave him the audience there. Your 00:53:13.389 --> 00:53:15.809 super collider analogy is funny. I don't know 00:53:15.809 --> 00:53:18.690 if you listened to the latest episode of the 00:53:18.690 --> 00:53:23.010 VMR podcast. I did, yeah, today. You did listen 00:53:23.010 --> 00:53:26.469 to it or no? Today I did, yeah. So I mentioned 00:53:26.469 --> 00:53:30.900 something along those lines where... I think 00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:33.900 the second single that they've released, I mean, 00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:37.440 it isn't as laid back as Super Collider, but 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:41.900 it's more of a straight ahead hard rock song. 00:53:42.980 --> 00:53:45.659 The third song, which was released today, I think 00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:51.360 is kind of in between both songs. Yeah. And that's 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.579 kind of par for the course with him now. Yeah. 00:53:54.019 --> 00:53:56.699 Every album is kind of a mix of all that stuff. 00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.079 Well, and I think that's what, I think your analogy 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.960 is spot on. I think he's, the biggest reason 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.739 for putting Megadeth away is for him to do something 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:12.420 a little different. And I didn't, you know, I'm 00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:15.719 not a fan of Risk, but I think Super Collider 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.260 has some really cool stuff on it. And I think 00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:21.340 that the title track is, for what it's worth, 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:26.119 I think it's a good song. I think that... Similar 00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.519 to any of these bands who have switched up their 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:34.460 styles. And listen, Metallica with Load, Megadeth 00:54:34.460 --> 00:54:37.260 with Risk or Super Collider or stuff like that, 00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:42.119 or even Saint Anger. They're tame in comparison 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:46.039 to what Bring Me the Horizon and Between the 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.679 Buried and Me have done with, you know, coming 00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:51.860 out with full guttural vocals and now doing stuff 00:54:51.860 --> 00:54:56.230 that's like full on pop. You know, at least Metallica 00:54:56.230 --> 00:54:58.510 and Megadeth have still stayed within the rock 00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:03.449 realm with what they've done. And I understand 00:55:03.449 --> 00:55:06.989 why a lot of people don't like Load, for example, 00:55:06.989 --> 00:55:10.710 but you take it out of their catalog and see 00:55:10.710 --> 00:55:16.030 it as a snapshot or a piece of work from a specific 00:55:16.030 --> 00:55:19.340 point of time. And I think... You interpret it 00:55:19.340 --> 00:55:21.539 a little differently than putting it up against 00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:23.960 Master of Puppets and Injustice for All and Ride 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.559 the Lightning and all that stuff. I agree with 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.679 you. Yeah, I'll take the Black Album any day 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.059 over a lot of these records I'm hearing now where 00:55:34.059 --> 00:55:36.900 they just completely switch the music to something. 00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.099 It's almost offensive to me when I hear it. It 00:55:40.099 --> 00:55:45.000 makes me mad. Yeah, I hear you. All right. So 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:52.760 final. The final piece to this, this is the biggest 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:58.699 hard rock and metal deaths of the year. There 00:55:58.699 --> 00:56:03.059 are five here. I think two of these are obvious. 00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:10.400 And I think a third one, I think you guys might 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:17.769 get. But I don't know if... If you guys will 00:56:17.769 --> 00:56:22.489 get more than three out of these five. So Edgar, 00:56:22.530 --> 00:56:25.570 Edgar has already said Ozzy. So we'll remove 00:56:25.570 --> 00:56:33.510 Ozzy off of the table. Brad, anyone else? Oh 00:56:33.510 --> 00:56:37.869 God. I know I need to pay better attention to 00:56:37.869 --> 00:56:43.550 people dying. I'm totally stumped right now. 00:56:43.570 --> 00:56:46.289 Although I know, I know some. big names have 00:56:46.289 --> 00:56:51.730 passed on this year. Yeah, I'm trying to think 00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:54.789 of what other metal musicians besides Ace and 00:56:54.789 --> 00:57:01.449 Ozzy. There we go. You got Ace. I thought he 00:57:01.449 --> 00:57:03.349 was the given, so we weren't choosing those two. 00:57:03.489 --> 00:57:06.809 Ace was the big one, yeah. Jeremy, any others? 00:57:08.110 --> 00:57:14.250 Yeah, John Sykes. John Sykes died in December 00:57:14.250 --> 00:57:24.750 of 2024. I had to check. All right. Why hasn't 00:57:24.750 --> 00:57:28.469 this shown up? Okay. Another guess. I will go 00:57:28.469 --> 00:57:34.809 Les Binks. Yeah. So number five is Thomas Lindbergh, 00:57:34.809 --> 00:57:40.440 singer of At The Gates. Huge influence, especially 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.780 he was part of the reason for the Gothenburg 00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:48.360 sound out of Sweden. A big influence on melodic 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:56.880 death metal. Number four, Rick Derringer. Oh, 00:57:56.880 --> 00:58:01.840 yeah. I was surprised you guys mentioned Les 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.400 Binks, but Rick Derringer has rock and roll. 00:58:05.420 --> 00:58:13.409 He's huge. Number three, Brent Hins, Mastodon. 00:58:14.389 --> 00:58:23.590 Oh, yeah. Ace Fraley, number two. And Ozzy Osbourne, 00:58:23.829 --> 00:58:31.449 number one. There's been so many, you know, in 00:58:31.449 --> 00:58:33.809 the last five to ten years that it's kind of 00:58:33.809 --> 00:58:38.519 hard to remember when they've gone. Yeah. Except 00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.619 for just remembering that people like Dio and 00:58:41.619 --> 00:58:49.320 Lemmy have been, you know, a long time now. I'm 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:53.760 impressed Brent Hins made above Rick Derringer. 00:58:53.780 --> 00:58:55.400 I mean, you ask the average person on the street 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.480 who is, you know, Brent Hins, they'd be like, 00:58:59.539 --> 00:59:02.960 who? Yeah, but Rick Derringer, I'd say a lot 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.489 of people. average people have heard of rick 00:59:05.489 --> 00:59:08.570 derringer i don't know that they know rick derringer 00:59:08.570 --> 00:59:14.429 by name so much as by song and it's possible 00:59:14.429 --> 00:59:18.530 well okay well we could go that way let's play 00:59:18.530 --> 00:59:21.110 rock and roll hoochie coo and then play any what's 00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:23.510 the biggest mastodon song what do they have a 00:59:23.510 --> 00:59:27.849 big song what's their biggest song and why am 00:59:27.849 --> 00:59:29.690 i not playing it on yard metal if they have a 00:59:29.690 --> 00:59:33.079 big song come on I mean, I like a lot of their 00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.500 catalog. Probably their biggest. Yeah, you like 00:59:36.500 --> 00:59:38.199 a lot of it. But I'm just saying, if you're going 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.579 to play a Mastodon song for somebody walking 00:59:40.579 --> 00:59:42.300 down the street and say, hey, you know these 00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:44.800 guys, right? Yeah. What song would that be? They've 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.480 always been an underground band. So, I mean. 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.619 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm impressed that he 00:59:50.619 --> 00:59:52.860 got. I'll give you this. I'll give you this. 00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.940 Is Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo a bigger song than 00:59:56.940 --> 01:00:02.219 Hulk Hogan's theme song? Did Mastodon do that? 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.659 Derringer did it. I know. Yeah. I'm going to 01:00:06.659 --> 01:00:14.039 say yeah. Yeah, you think? Yeah. All right. So, 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:20.119 wow. At least we forget Derringer played in my 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:24.039 dad's band. He did play in Edgar Winter's band. 01:00:25.539 --> 01:00:27.400 Yeah, he played in the Edgar Winter group. And 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.320 he also played in White Trash. He played in that. 01:00:32.260 --> 01:00:35.500 And then they toured. Yeah. Rick Derringer, he's 01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:37.239 done so many things. Didn't he play with Bowie 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:43.460 as well? That I don't know. I've never, that 01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:45.880 doesn't ring a bell, but I'll do, I'll do some 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:52.199 research on that kids. Has there been, I don't 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:56.780 know. I didn't know. I wonder how to kid. Has 01:00:56.780 --> 01:01:02.510 there been another year where. You mentioned 01:01:02.510 --> 01:01:07.550 Dio. Dio and Peter Steele of Type O Negative 01:01:07.550 --> 01:01:14.550 died fairly close to one another. Having said 01:01:14.550 --> 01:01:18.809 that, has there been another year where somebody, 01:01:18.889 --> 01:01:25.030 were two artists as influential as Ace and Ozzy 01:01:25.030 --> 01:01:32.969 that they've gone? No. Yes. I'm thinking possibly 01:01:32.969 --> 01:01:39.849 John Bonham and Bon Scott. Oh, wow. Great. Yeah. 01:01:39.949 --> 01:01:43.710 Great memory. Yeah, because I remember that one 01:01:43.710 --> 01:01:50.369 when I was a kid at school. You know another 01:01:50.369 --> 01:01:56.969 reason why Rick Derringer is on this list? Because 01:01:56.969 --> 01:02:01.340 in 2001, he released. the I'm doing business 01:02:01.340 --> 01:02:05.760 as, and the band that he was a part of is a three 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:13.159 piece. It was Derringer, Bogart, and Carmine. 01:02:13.300 --> 01:02:19.860 I saw it. Wait. Okay. Edgar, you still there? 01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.980 Uh, the only, I saw the first time I saw Edgar 01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:26.360 winter, your, your dad, uh, it was in white fish, 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.800 Montana. at a Mexican food restaurant. It was 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.280 awesome actually. And Carmine was playing drums 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:37.300 and this guy, John Duva was playing guitar and 01:02:37.300 --> 01:02:39.900 they were incredible. There was no bass player. 01:02:40.099 --> 01:02:42.739 It was, it was, it was an abomination from that 01:02:42.739 --> 01:02:45.159 standpoint, but musically it was, it was just 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.940 brilliant. And yeah, I mean, two, two legends 01:02:48.940 --> 01:02:56.030 on the stage. Yeah. Yeah. Three piece. oh man 01:02:56.030 --> 01:02:58.510 edgar winter johnny winter used to be is it was 01:02:58.510 --> 01:03:02.929 his brother yes yeah yes yeah yeah and i uh i 01:03:02.929 --> 01:03:06.130 saw edgar winter it was right after johnny it 01:03:06.130 --> 01:03:08.469 was the weekend that johnny died like a couple 01:03:08.469 --> 01:03:12.269 of days after he was doing a show in uh urta 01:03:12.269 --> 01:03:16.769 utah of all places and he was pat travers was 01:03:16.769 --> 01:03:20.559 uh was on the bill with him and Pat Travers came 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.480 out at the end and they played a couple of Johnny 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:27.579 winter songs, a tribute to Johnny. Yeah. One 01:03:27.579 --> 01:03:32.360 off. Totally cool. But Edgar Winters guitar player 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:37.300 is just incredible. What's his name? Oh crap. 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.239 See, that's the problem when you get old. I would 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.139 have been impressed if Pat Travers would have 01:03:42.139 --> 01:03:47.139 brought out Nico McBrain. Those guys played together 01:03:47.139 --> 01:03:50.460 like a couple of weeks ago in Florida. It was 01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:54.559 Pat Travers playing. His band before me. Yeah, 01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.079 yeah. Pat Travers is still damn good. So here's 01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:02.599 – Boom, boom, out goes the lights. Here's one 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:08.880 Rick Derringer tidbit that I always use to rile 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.219 up Vinnie Vincent fans. When they ask – what 01:04:13.219 --> 01:04:16.219 the best Vinnie Vincent solo is on Lick It Up, 01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:19.300 I always say Exciter because Rick Derringer played 01:04:19.300 --> 01:04:21.679 the solo and you see people start to answer, 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.960 Vinnie didn't play on that one. I said, that's 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:25.960 why it's the best Vinnie Vincent solo on the 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:34.320 album. Yeah, you're right. Rick was a fantastic 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:43.039 guitar player. Great singer too. Ozzy and Ace. 01:04:43.179 --> 01:04:45.800 Ace, we had a whole remembrance. Ozzy, I was 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:55.579 away. But, yeah, we are saying, slowly but surely, 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.480 we're saying goodbye to the people that helped 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:02.800 form the soundtrack of our lives. Brent Hins 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.860 of Mastodon was much younger than the rest of 01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:09.739 them. Um, I will say that it is a band that I've 01:05:09.739 --> 01:05:13.059 listened to a lot and I have a lot of their vinyl 01:05:13.059 --> 01:05:17.099 behind me. Um, again, I know it's not for everybody, 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.719 Brad. So if you ask the average person down the 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:23.780 street, walking down the street, yes, they're 01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:30.860 probably not going to name a mastodon song. Maybe 01:05:30.860 --> 01:05:33.599 not even heard. Maybe not even heard. I like 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:36.219 them too. I, I, I do play quite a few of their 01:05:36.219 --> 01:05:40.340 songs on the yard now. So I, I like, I've seen 01:05:40.340 --> 01:05:43.679 them once and they were, they were, they were 01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:48.880 good. I got to see them as well. Middle of the 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:54.699 day actually. Yeah. Yeah. I saw them. They were 01:05:54.699 --> 01:05:59.340 warming up for death clock and I thought, okay, 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:04.500 you're basically warming up for a cartoon. That's 01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:06.820 who I would like to see is Death Clock. Hey, 01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:09.159 they're going on tour next year, Ed. I heard 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.079 that. I got to check and see if there's anything 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.659 coming near you. If so, we're going. I'm coming. 01:06:13.699 --> 01:06:16.139 I'm coming. We're going. I'm getting you on the 01:06:16.139 --> 01:06:21.179 guest list. Yeah, if Death Clock came here, I 01:06:21.179 --> 01:06:23.239 would definitely go to that. I couldn't miss 01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:26.360 that. That'd be fun. But it is an experience. 01:06:26.699 --> 01:06:28.820 I mean, because you're basically, the band is, 01:06:28.900 --> 01:06:31.679 you don't see the band. They're all backlit by 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.739 the screen. It's basically you're watching cartoons 01:06:34.739 --> 01:06:38.739 with music supporting it. And then the last song, 01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:41.039 they put the lights on the band so you can see 01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.579 them. Okay, that's cool. They play their asses 01:06:43.579 --> 01:06:46.780 off, that's for sure. I mean, they're a seriously 01:06:46.780 --> 01:06:54.039 good death metal band. Yep. Cool. So, any... 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.159 Parting words, anything that you guys think should 01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:01.539 have been mentioned that stood out to you guys 01:07:01.539 --> 01:07:07.059 from 2025? I do. One of my favorite things this 01:07:07.059 --> 01:07:12.280 year was seeing Queen Doro doing that Winter 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:16.179 Dreams video with Udo. Oh, with Udo. Remember 01:07:16.179 --> 01:07:18.460 that? It was early in the year, so we probably 01:07:18.460 --> 01:07:20.980 started to forget about it. That actually was 01:07:20.980 --> 01:07:24.110 really good. That moved me. One of my least favorite 01:07:24.110 --> 01:07:28.469 Accept songs. Yeah, they did a nice job. Yeah. 01:07:28.789 --> 01:07:31.190 Remember that one, everybody, to go visit again, 01:07:31.329 --> 01:07:39.230 that video. Brad, for you? Wow. I don't know. 01:07:39.269 --> 01:07:42.230 It was a great year. A lot of great music. I've 01:07:42.230 --> 01:07:48.070 got my list of albums from 2025 that I'm trying 01:07:48.070 --> 01:07:51.940 to still pare down to 10. And I'm looking forward 01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:56.099 to talking about those in a few weeks. Stay tuned 01:07:56.099 --> 01:08:01.059 for that. But yeah, not, not a, I didn't get 01:08:01.059 --> 01:08:03.559 out much this year, this, this year, unfortunately. 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:06.300 So I didn't see a lot of concerts or anything, 01:08:06.460 --> 01:08:08.980 but I don't know. I think musically it's been 01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:10.880 a great year. A lot of great new music has come 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:16.699 out. So. Cool. I agree. Yeah. And I do have to 01:08:16.699 --> 01:08:21.760 say this, that. You know, watching the live stream 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:24.819 of Back to the Beginning, that's something that 01:08:24.819 --> 01:08:28.279 will live in my memory forever. Because getting 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.300 to chat with this guy right here during the whole 01:08:32.300 --> 01:08:36.859 thing. And then Jeremy right here getting to 01:08:36.859 --> 01:08:39.220 chat. You know, it was cool, man. We're down 01:08:39.220 --> 01:08:42.840 there chatting with each other during the show. 01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:46.800 And, of course, I had my brother, CEO Dave, you 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:50.270 know, chiming in. It was like a shared experience 01:08:50.270 --> 01:08:52.489 without actually being with other people. I guess 01:08:52.489 --> 01:08:57.250 what could be more important than that? And, 01:08:57.510 --> 01:09:00.210 you know, my favorite part of the whole thing 01:09:00.210 --> 01:09:02.869 was right before Ozzy came on, Jeremy said, that's 01:09:02.869 --> 01:09:07.649 it. I'm going to bed. I've had enough. I'm going 01:09:07.649 --> 01:09:09.970 to bed. This is after he was there from the first 01:09:09.970 --> 01:09:12.229 note of the whole thing. And I'm like, what? 01:09:12.350 --> 01:09:17.710 You're not going to bed. Yeah. Yeah, that was 01:09:17.710 --> 01:09:21.310 a good one. Good one. Well played. So that, that, 01:09:21.350 --> 01:09:24.489 that was just an incredible experience being 01:09:24.489 --> 01:09:28.010 able to virtually experience that with some of 01:09:28.010 --> 01:09:29.970 the, some of the coolest people, some of the 01:09:29.970 --> 01:09:32.130 coolest people here. I know Victor was busy, 01:09:32.149 --> 01:09:36.250 unfortunately, but he was also in the chat wanting 01:09:36.250 --> 01:09:38.449 to know what was going on with the thing. You 01:09:38.449 --> 01:09:41.710 were, you were doing basketball camp and it was 01:09:41.710 --> 01:09:47.109 funny two days later. one of the other one of 01:09:47.109 --> 01:09:49.810 the organizers of the camp said, have you been 01:09:49.810 --> 01:09:52.130 able to check out any of the back to the beginning 01:09:52.130 --> 01:09:54.810 stuff? I'm like, I've been here with you the 01:09:54.810 --> 01:09:57.470 whole time. When am I checking anything out? 01:09:57.590 --> 01:09:59.550 I go, today's the end of the, where you could 01:09:59.550 --> 01:10:03.489 watch the entire live stream. And I remember 01:10:03.489 --> 01:10:05.310 him saying, well, you know, there are clips up 01:10:05.310 --> 01:10:08.069 on YouTube. I said, yeah, I've checked out some 01:10:08.069 --> 01:10:11.409 clips, but the sound is nowhere near as good 01:10:11.409 --> 01:10:14.270 as what you're seeing from. the pieces that they 01:10:14.270 --> 01:10:17.430 were releasing. I mean, there was like the ultimate 01:10:17.430 --> 01:10:21.289 sin. I saw it and it was from somebody in the 01:10:21.289 --> 01:10:25.449 crowd and it was, it could have been like 4 million 01:10:25.449 --> 01:10:27.930 miles away because the sound was just terrible. 01:10:28.470 --> 01:10:31.890 Then they released a clip from the soundboard. 01:10:31.930 --> 01:10:36.050 I think it was, and it sounded great. So. Yeah. 01:10:37.790 --> 01:10:41.750 Yeah, even though it was a two hour delay, it 01:10:41.750 --> 01:10:44.010 was still you felt like it was happening right 01:10:44.010 --> 01:10:45.729 then. And we were all experienced, you know, 01:10:45.750 --> 01:10:47.529 us three anyway, we're experiencing it at the 01:10:47.529 --> 01:10:50.550 same time. Yeah. And there's just something really 01:10:50.550 --> 01:10:55.029 cool about that. Especially, especially now, 01:10:55.170 --> 01:11:00.189 because for me, it's been extremely helpful because 01:11:00.189 --> 01:11:02.409 I've lost so many of my music buddies. They're 01:11:02.409 --> 01:11:05.949 gone. And so having you guys to watch, I remember 01:11:05.949 --> 01:11:08.779 you. You were watching Kiss, too, when we were 01:11:08.779 --> 01:11:10.539 watching the last concert, and that was fun. 01:11:10.699 --> 01:11:13.739 And Mike Jones was sending me pictures from the 01:11:13.739 --> 01:11:15.760 concert that he had gone to a couple weeks before 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.979 that. Just being able to talk to all of you guys 01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:21.520 about music throughout the year, it's been one 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:24.739 of the most therapeutic and healing things for 01:11:24.739 --> 01:11:27.239 me after all the really good friends that I've 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.840 lost to death in the last couple of years, especially. 01:11:31.739 --> 01:11:33.939 You know, all the guys that I would be texting. 01:11:34.819 --> 01:11:39.770 I've got one buddy left. And and I told you last 01:11:39.770 --> 01:11:42.489 show I made a new a new metalhead friend, you 01:11:42.489 --> 01:11:45.390 know, so that's helping, too. But having you 01:11:45.390 --> 01:11:48.409 guys to talk to has been pretty awesome. Thanks 01:11:48.409 --> 01:11:52.510 for having me around and listening to me gab 01:11:52.510 --> 01:11:55.750 about all of this stuff. Oh, it's great to have 01:11:55.750 --> 01:11:58.630 you around, Ed, because you you provide us with 01:11:58.630 --> 01:12:02.649 a great perspective of things where. A lot of 01:12:02.649 --> 01:12:05.810 times we miss out on things. And I mentioned 01:12:05.810 --> 01:12:10.010 it during today's Patreon episode where there'll 01:12:10.010 --> 01:12:13.149 be something that I'll be listening to, but I'm 01:12:13.149 --> 01:12:15.689 not listening to it in the same fashion that 01:12:15.689 --> 01:12:18.909 you are. And there is where you'll say, you know, 01:12:18.930 --> 01:12:20.930 you really need to go back and check this out 01:12:20.930 --> 01:12:24.869 because of this. It actually gives me a reason 01:12:24.869 --> 01:12:29.369 to go back and, and you're making what I do. 01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.399 a lot easier in this to that. Yeah. I mean, a 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.659 lot of the interviews that I've done are thanks 01:12:36.659 --> 01:12:39.579 to things that, you know, you've either brought 01:12:39.579 --> 01:12:42.760 to my attention or said, Hey, you know, go back 01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.460 and check this one out again or, or stuff like 01:12:45.460 --> 01:12:49.479 that. And, you know, it's, it's great to have 01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:56.000 all of you guys on board. I, I, I wish I, again, 01:12:56.060 --> 01:13:01.369 I could have been there live for the, um, for 01:13:01.369 --> 01:13:05.770 the Sabbath show, but is, is, is what it is. 01:13:06.510 --> 01:13:13.149 Um, Jeremy, what, what has been a one 2025 thing 01:13:13.149 --> 01:13:16.609 that you want to mention? Well, you know, I could 01:13:16.609 --> 01:13:19.210 echo everything that the guys have just said, 01:13:19.270 --> 01:13:21.949 really. I mean, Sabbath and talking with you 01:13:21.949 --> 01:13:24.850 guys on, on this, but you know, the Sabbath thing 01:13:24.850 --> 01:13:28.939 sort of, um, reminds me that, I just looked down 01:13:28.939 --> 01:13:31.460 at the bands that I've seen this year and they're 01:13:31.460 --> 01:13:33.539 all legacy bands. They're all bands that I never 01:13:33.539 --> 01:13:36.380 thought at my age now I'd still be watching. 01:13:36.539 --> 01:13:38.920 I went to see Magnum in January. I went to see 01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.220 Michael Schenker in May. I saw Iron Maiden in 01:13:41.220 --> 01:13:45.760 June. I saw Wasp. I saw Saxon. But above all, 01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.779 the one moment for me is to tell you about I 01:13:48.779 --> 01:13:52.090 went to see Uriah Heep in Manchester. Mick Box, 01:13:52.210 --> 01:13:54.789 who's 80 years old, is still doing it. And he's 01:13:54.789 --> 01:13:57.369 still doing exactly what he did 10 years ago, 01:13:57.489 --> 01:14:00.430 20 years ago, 30 years ago. You name it, keep 01:14:00.430 --> 01:14:03.390 going back the decades. And to see a band like 01:14:03.390 --> 01:14:06.649 that, still a genuine band playing live, playing 01:14:06.649 --> 01:14:10.210 all that sort of folky proggy rock music, you 01:14:10.210 --> 01:14:13.069 know, the old fashioned rock music with a proper 01:14:13.069 --> 01:14:16.130 organist on stage, you know, playing the playing 01:14:16.130 --> 01:14:20.699 the Hammond organ and and those old great. tracks 01:14:20.699 --> 01:14:24.000 that they've played, Gypsy and all that sort 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.880 of stuff. And yeah, for me, that was a big highlight 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.020 because although the Black Sabbath gig was obviously 01:14:29.020 --> 01:14:31.920 the highlight, I guess, of the year, seeing a 01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:35.420 band live like Uriah Heep, you can't beat it. 01:14:35.770 --> 01:14:38.430 um and long may they continue they won't be going 01:14:38.430 --> 01:14:40.630 forever they might only go for another couple 01:14:40.630 --> 01:14:43.489 of years or so who knows but um we've just got 01:14:43.489 --> 01:14:46.569 to cherish the music that we see go and see it 01:14:46.569 --> 01:14:50.890 live listen to it on on records on cds and just 01:14:50.890 --> 01:14:53.369 enjoy it and listen to all the new stuff because 01:14:53.369 --> 01:14:55.449 eventually you know these bands are going to 01:14:55.449 --> 01:14:58.449 die uh they're gonna they're gonna move on we'll 01:14:58.449 --> 01:15:01.250 still have the music but you know we can go and 01:15:01.250 --> 01:15:10.529 see new bands yeah absolutely um What can I add 01:15:10.529 --> 01:15:13.109 to this that you guys haven't said? I mean, I 01:15:13.109 --> 01:15:16.109 think we've covered all bases. I think what Ed 01:15:16.109 --> 01:15:22.270 said is really important to me as well. You know, 01:15:22.310 --> 01:15:27.170 talking to you guys is great, especially after 01:15:27.170 --> 01:15:31.189 real crappy weeks. You guys know more than the 01:15:31.189 --> 01:15:34.029 average listener because I blab about a lot of 01:15:34.029 --> 01:15:37.649 it on... the Patreon show, maybe sometimes too 01:15:37.649 --> 01:15:40.510 much. And I'm sorry if I bring down the mood 01:15:40.510 --> 01:15:43.250 by doing that, but sometimes I just got to let 01:15:43.250 --> 01:15:48.689 that stuff out. It's, it's been a kick for me 01:15:48.689 --> 01:15:57.010 watching my kids music grow, sitting in the car 01:15:57.010 --> 01:16:00.369 with them and having them, you know, where I'll 01:16:00.369 --> 01:16:02.170 say, you guys are never going to guess what band 01:16:02.170 --> 01:16:06.279 this is. And seeing them say, oh, this is easy. 01:16:06.340 --> 01:16:08.819 It's so -and -so. I'm like, damn, all right, 01:16:08.859 --> 01:16:13.680 cool. Or I had a kid that I coached the last 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:17.899 few years where I saw on Instagram, on a note, 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:22.380 he posted that he was listening to Pink Floyd. 01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:27.020 And I said to him, I go, what are you doing listening 01:16:27.020 --> 01:16:31.180 to Pink Floyd? And he goes, we have more bands 01:16:31.180 --> 01:16:33.159 in common than you think. And I said, well, all 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:41.430 right. I like hearing that. So that's cool. Yeah, 01:16:41.430 --> 01:16:46.329 it is. I hope that everyone that listens to this 01:16:46.329 --> 01:16:50.989 or watches it, I hope that this show has helped 01:16:50.989 --> 01:16:54.069 you guys out through the ups and downs of the 01:16:54.069 --> 01:16:58.310 year. There's always some great new music to 01:16:58.310 --> 01:17:03.090 be found. We try to do our best here to bring 01:17:03.090 --> 01:17:06.369 that stuff to you. Sometimes you're going to 01:17:06.369 --> 01:17:08.109 agree. Sometimes you're not going to agree, but 01:17:08.109 --> 01:17:11.630 I think that we do a solid job with, you know, 01:17:11.630 --> 01:17:16.670 bringing stuff to people's attention. I do appreciate 01:17:16.670 --> 01:17:22.689 all you guys. And, and honestly, you know, if 01:17:22.689 --> 01:17:25.529 the patrons weren't around and, and yeah, I get 01:17:25.529 --> 01:17:27.859 it. People could say, well, you know, They're 01:17:27.859 --> 01:17:32.560 your friends because they're on Patreon. The 01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:36.800 show would not be around if you follow the history 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:42.640 of the show had this group of not built up. I 01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:45.079 know that a lot of people have come over from 01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:52.039 what I was doing with Mark with his show. Whether 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:54.920 I do anything with Mark or not going forward 01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:58.449 is up in the air. I haven't heard back from him 01:17:58.449 --> 01:18:03.630 regarding that. But I think that we've had people 01:18:03.630 --> 01:18:06.949 come and go, but the nucleus has still been here. 01:18:07.029 --> 01:18:14.630 There's still patrons that I think are good friends 01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:17.310 of the show still and good friends to all of 01:18:17.310 --> 01:18:20.750 us who don't have the time to join us like maybe 01:18:20.750 --> 01:18:25.369 they once did. which is fine. I mentioned it 01:18:25.369 --> 01:18:28.550 today. I wish there was more action like there 01:18:28.550 --> 01:18:32.010 was a few years ago, but I'm good with what we 01:18:32.010 --> 01:18:34.470 have. If we get more, that's awesome. If not, 01:18:34.609 --> 01:18:41.829 I think we've got a good thing going. I do want 01:18:41.829 --> 01:18:44.109 to thank the three of you for being here tonight. 01:18:44.250 --> 01:18:47.670 I want to thank Edgar for providing banter all 01:18:47.670 --> 01:18:51.130 the time when we are doing the show live or even 01:18:51.130 --> 01:18:59.090 when it is And yeah, we've got, I think two more 01:18:59.090 --> 01:19:02.890 shows left this year. I've, I've planned it out 01:19:02.890 --> 01:19:05.449 and we've already got a guest lined up, which 01:19:05.449 --> 01:19:08.210 will be the first show next year. Next month, 01:19:08.310 --> 01:19:12.050 we will have a next year. Next month, we will 01:19:12.050 --> 01:19:15.710 have a recap of December releases and we will 01:19:15.710 --> 01:19:20.270 finally do the 2025 album list. Look at that. 01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:27.600 Wow. I saw your number one there. Oh, damn. Kansas 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.779 didn't release anything this year. Tokyo Blade? 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:35.500 Yeah, Kansas. Have you listened to it? I've actually 01:19:35.500 --> 01:19:39.319 seen Kansas live. How about that? Who here can 01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:42.560 say that? You can say what? That you've seen 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:48.800 Kansas live. Nope. I've seen it on the map. I've 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.420 been in Kansas. Well, I'm awfully proud of you, 01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:56.739 Brad. Yeah, my first concert was Blue Oyster 01:19:56.739 --> 01:20:00.939 Cult Kansas and Ted Nugent. There you go. Yeah. 01:20:01.420 --> 01:20:04.119 Little did I know that Kansas would go on to 01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:08.560 become the best American rock band in history. 01:20:08.619 --> 01:20:18.260 Of all time. All right. On that note. We will 01:20:18.260 --> 01:20:22.180 bid you guys farewell. Thank you once again for 01:20:22.180 --> 01:20:25.579 joining us tonight. We will see you next time 01:20:25.579 --> 01:20:31.640 right here on Signals from Mars. See you folks. 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:42.800 Thank you for listening to the Signals from Mars 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.939 podcast. Subscribe to the show on all your favorite 01:20:45.939 --> 01:20:49.100 podcast platforms like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:53.500 Google Podcasts, Amazon, and more. Go to signalsfrommars 01:20:53.500 --> 01:20:56.140 .com for more information. This concludes our 01:20:56.140 --> 01:20:56.359 show.