WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.200 Welcome one and all to episode 433 of Signals 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:08.619 from Mars. I'm your host, Victor, and for this 00:00:08.619 --> 00:00:12.880 episode, we welcome back Wolf Tooth. This time 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.380 around, we have Chris Sullivan, Terry McDaniel, 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:19.260 and Jeff Cole of the band to talk to us about 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:22.539 their latest album, Wizard's Light. It's out 00:00:22.539 --> 00:00:26.260 right now on Ripple Music. Check it out. It is 00:00:26.260 --> 00:00:59.719 well worth it. Quick reminder that in addition 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.619 to hosting Signals from Mars, I've also worked 00:01:02.619 --> 00:01:05.599 behind the scenes helping other podcasters. 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See if there's anything there that really 00:04:11.379 --> 00:04:16.279 interests you. Also, if there's anything that 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.000 really interests you and you're going to play 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.959 a lot, go out and support the bands. Go to Bandcamp, 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:25.759 buy the digital version or a vinyl or what have 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.899 you. I purchased Wizard's Light off of Bandcamp. 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:33.529 It was Bandcamp Friday. I really like the album. 00:04:33.649 --> 00:04:36.290 I like a lot of what the band has put out over 00:04:36.290 --> 00:04:39.730 the years. And that's why I wanted to bring the 00:04:39.730 --> 00:04:44.550 band back to discuss the album. And it was a 00:04:44.550 --> 00:04:48.050 fun chat. I was only expecting Chris and also 00:04:48.050 --> 00:04:50.529 got Terry and Jeff as well. 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How are you doing? Doing good. 00:06:25.649 --> 00:06:31.629 Can you introduce yourselves? I'm Chris Sullivan, 00:06:31.889 --> 00:06:36.910 guitar and vocals. I'm Jeff Cole, guitar. I'm 00:06:36.910 --> 00:06:43.550 Terry Bates. Awesome. I'm glad you guys are here 00:06:43.550 --> 00:06:48.470 today, tonight, for me. This is, as we just talked 00:06:48.470 --> 00:06:51.050 about, offline for a second. This is the second 00:06:51.050 --> 00:06:54.089 time that Chris is on the show, at least. And 00:06:54.089 --> 00:06:57.050 it's cool because I've been listening to the 00:06:57.050 --> 00:07:00.850 album Wizards Light, which just came out on Ripple. 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:05.649 And the previous album had come out on Napalm. 00:07:05.990 --> 00:07:09.550 And it was kind of surprising to me because... 00:07:10.410 --> 00:07:13.589 At the time, Napalm had kind of assembled a really 00:07:13.589 --> 00:07:18.470 cool roster of diverse different bands, and I 00:07:18.470 --> 00:07:21.509 was surprised that not only you guys, but other 00:07:21.509 --> 00:07:24.790 bands that were on the roster are no longer there. 00:07:24.850 --> 00:07:26.189 It seemed like they were building up something 00:07:26.189 --> 00:07:32.170 cool, and it just kind of stopped. What ended 00:07:32.170 --> 00:07:34.750 up happening was Napalm for you guys, and why 00:07:34.750 --> 00:07:42.389 is Ripple the perfect fit? I don't think anything 00:07:42.389 --> 00:07:47.529 really happened with Napalm. It was just, I think, 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:52.930 for a band like us, you know, we were kind of 00:07:52.930 --> 00:07:57.529 like a really small fish in a gigantic pond, 00:07:57.689 --> 00:08:02.509 you know? And I think we were kind of like kind 00:08:02.509 --> 00:08:06.149 of a passion project for our A &R guy. Like, 00:08:06.149 --> 00:08:10.000 he really dug us a lot, you know? And they did 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.699 a lot for us. There's a lot of gears in the machinery 00:08:14.699 --> 00:08:20.139 when you're dealing with a label like Napalm. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:27.259 But at the end of it, we just felt more comfortable 00:08:27.259 --> 00:08:31.819 on a label like Ripple. So that's why we went 00:08:31.819 --> 00:08:37.580 back. It was kind of this... You know, Napalm's 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:40.779 kind of this juggernaut that, you know, like 00:08:40.779 --> 00:08:44.240 we're not, I don't know. I thought the album 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:49.139 did well. We were super happy with how they promoted 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:52.100 it and everything. Everything went good. It was 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:56.240 just, you know, Ripple just seemed like a better 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.519 fit for us. Okay. There's something you guys 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:02.639 were more comfortable with as opposed to just 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:05.679 working with a big label. So they're more personable 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.179 with you guys, more hands -on maybe than what 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:16.379 a Napalm is? Yeah, pretty much. Napalm's just, 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:19.299 you know, they've got a lot of bigger bands. 00:09:19.460 --> 00:09:24.019 And a band like us, I think, was just... I'm 00:09:24.019 --> 00:09:28.509 not sure they really... Not really. Maybe they 00:09:28.509 --> 00:09:32.190 didn't know how to market us. Because a lot of 00:09:32.190 --> 00:09:33.730 bands they have are quite a bit different than 00:09:33.730 --> 00:09:38.210 us. And so it would be hard to put a band like 00:09:38.210 --> 00:09:42.190 us on, say, a tour with one of their bigger bands 00:09:42.190 --> 00:09:46.029 or one of their more well -known bands than us 00:09:46.029 --> 00:09:49.529 just because we are so different from them. So 00:09:49.529 --> 00:09:52.370 I'm assuming that maybe marketing was a little 00:09:52.370 --> 00:09:56.649 bit of... new to them as far as trying to market 00:09:56.649 --> 00:09:59.169 this kind of music over this genre of music. 00:09:59.769 --> 00:10:06.570 But yeah, Ripple's definitely more on our speed, 00:10:06.649 --> 00:10:14.090 I think. Okay. Cool. A lot of what inspires do 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:18.149 metal bands, stoner rock bands was Sabbath. Obviously 00:10:18.149 --> 00:10:24.879 we lost Ozzy over the summer. What, in your opinion, 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.940 is the most important thing that you can extract 00:10:28.940 --> 00:10:32.980 from Ozzy, from Sabbath, when it comes to Wolf 00:10:32.980 --> 00:10:42.080 Tooth? Well, I mean, their songwriting, definitely. 00:10:42.259 --> 00:10:46.299 Their structures have a big play in the way we 00:10:46.299 --> 00:10:51.600 write. The riffs, you know, Tony Ong's riffs 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.679 are... classic, timeless, and that plays a big 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:59.080 part in the way that we write and just, I mean, 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:02.480 just their overall sound. And, you know, we grew 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.679 up with Sabbath and Ozzy and, you know, Deep 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:11.299 Purple and a lot of other things like that. And, 00:11:11.460 --> 00:11:16.659 I mean, Sabbath definitely was and is a big part 00:11:16.659 --> 00:11:20.960 of who we are. But we don't, you know, we don't 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:23.240 try to, I mean, they're a big part of every doom 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.559 metal band. They're part of every, in my opinion, 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:29.039 every stoner rock band. They're a part of a lot 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.399 of rock bands. It's, you know, they're not just 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:36.159 one. I never, I never saw Sabbath as just doom. 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:40.000 I mean, I saw rock and roll and heavy metal and 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:45.179 especially when Dio got into the mix. That's 00:11:45.179 --> 00:11:48.240 just my opinion on it. Once you listen to bands 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.919 for as long as we have, say, well, we've been 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:52.980 listening to Black Sabbath for, what, 30 years 00:11:52.980 --> 00:11:58.600 or so? It kind of just gets in you. You don't 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:02.159 realize it until you're playing this type of 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:07.740 music. So it kind of just comes to you. Okay. 00:12:10.090 --> 00:12:12.710 Between Blood and Iron and Wizard's Light, you 00:12:12.710 --> 00:12:15.769 guys released a cover of Kisses 100 ,000 Years. 00:12:17.669 --> 00:12:22.029 For years, I've fought with quote -unquote traditional 00:12:22.029 --> 00:12:27.610 doom metal musicians and other hosts and whatnot, 00:12:27.970 --> 00:12:31.330 saying the importance of those first two Kiss 00:12:31.330 --> 00:12:34.669 albums when it comes to stoner rock, when it 00:12:34.669 --> 00:12:38.539 comes to doom metal and stuff like that. So to 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:41.500 see that you guys actually covered 100 ,000 years, 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.720 it was almost like, wow, somebody's listening 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.159 to what I've been trying to sell all these years. 00:12:49.779 --> 00:12:53.399 How important are those two albums, Hotter Than 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.679 Hell and that self -titled album, when it comes 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:02.279 to the whole genre? For me, they're pivotal just 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.240 because, you know, I remember being a kid listening 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.549 to... God of Thunder and some stuff that was 00:13:08.549 --> 00:13:10.590 coming out. My brother's six years older than 00:13:10.590 --> 00:13:13.129 me, so he, of course, had all the stuff on vinyl. 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:17.210 And I remember hearing, I hear, I mean, Doom 00:13:17.210 --> 00:13:19.830 to me, their first two albums were more Doom 00:13:19.830 --> 00:13:22.929 to me. But, you know, the funny thing is, is 00:13:22.929 --> 00:13:26.710 like, we, from the very beginning, when we put 00:13:26.710 --> 00:13:32.190 out our first EP, immediately people said we 00:13:32.190 --> 00:13:36.039 were new. Honestly, I've never considered us 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:40.220 to be a doom metal band. I just considered us 00:13:40.220 --> 00:13:43.759 to be a metal band. I mean, yeah, we have doom 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.679 elements in our music for sure. We also have 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.620 a lot of new wave British heavy metal. We have 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:53.659 traditional metal. We have lots of different 00:13:53.659 --> 00:13:56.600 things in our music that kind of stand out more 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.250 to me than the doom parts do. As far as the first 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:03.409 two Kiss albums, I think they're very good in 00:14:03.409 --> 00:14:09.029 the Doom scene. Yeah, I think we had, you know, 00:14:09.049 --> 00:14:13.789 the Kiss influence has been there the whole time, 00:14:13.970 --> 00:14:16.149 but I think, like, the first time it kind of 00:14:16.149 --> 00:14:21.769 creeped out was for our song Firestarter on our 00:14:21.769 --> 00:14:26.309 second album, Valhalla. And so we've always, 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:28.970 I mean, like, Chris, I have an older brother, 00:14:29.049 --> 00:14:32.549 too, who got me, on the kiss you know i remember 00:14:32.549 --> 00:14:34.929 i was like five years old i had kiss posters 00:14:34.929 --> 00:14:38.690 in my room you know so uh it's always been a 00:14:38.690 --> 00:14:42.490 big big influence for us for sure i think any 00:14:42.490 --> 00:14:48.009 band kiss black sabbath any band that's uh riff 00:14:48.009 --> 00:14:51.169 centric everything begins and ends with a riff 00:14:51.169 --> 00:14:53.990 for the sand and i think that's what ties us 00:14:53.990 --> 00:14:57.110 along with that kind of thing yeah yeah for sure 00:14:57.110 --> 00:15:01.309 yeah i can um I understand where you guys are 00:15:01.309 --> 00:15:03.370 coming from. Cause my brother's six years older 00:15:03.370 --> 00:15:06.730 than me. Uh, I'm lucky to inherit his copy of 00:15:06.730 --> 00:15:09.210 destroyer and alive too, which are behind me. 00:15:09.350 --> 00:15:12.570 So, uh, I know exactly where you guys are coming 00:15:12.570 --> 00:15:18.389 from. So I was four years old, saw, um, the inserts 00:15:18.389 --> 00:15:21.110 that came with alive too. And I was hooked. So 00:15:21.110 --> 00:15:33.490 yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, another huge loss in 00:15:33.490 --> 00:15:39.169 general. It's been a weird year for hard rock, 00:15:39.190 --> 00:15:42.190 heavy metal, metal in general. We've lost a lot 00:15:42.190 --> 00:15:45.210 of giant players from Ozzy to Ace. You can look 00:15:45.210 --> 00:15:49.049 at John Sykes as well. There's a bunch of people 00:15:49.049 --> 00:15:54.909 that I'm missing also, but it sucks. And as we 00:15:54.909 --> 00:15:57.470 get older, all those people that are so much 00:15:57.470 --> 00:16:00.820 older than us are going to be going. And, um, 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.100 you brought up Dio. I mean, that's already been 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:09.179 how many years ago? Yeah. Right. So it, I mean, 00:16:09.179 --> 00:16:15.080 Dio to me was, uh, just as pivotal of a part 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:19.899 for, for Sabbath, maybe as Ozzy was, you know, 00:16:19.899 --> 00:16:23.519 I, I really, really enjoyed all of the Dio black 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.220 Sabbath stuff. And, you know, I know there's 00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:28.980 going to be periods to be like, oh, that's not 00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:35.419 Sabbath with him, but he's just a pivotal beat. 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.960 So imagine when I tell people that Dehumanizer 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.639 is my second favorite album of all time and my 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:48.580 favorite Sabbath album. As a drummer, I just 00:16:48.580 --> 00:16:51.559 love Vinnie Appasi's drum sound on that album. 00:16:51.620 --> 00:16:53.799 It's just so heavy, so crushing. It goes along 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:59.139 with the riffs. with Dio's singing, and to me, 00:16:59.179 --> 00:17:01.460 it's just as important. I know that for some 00:17:01.460 --> 00:17:03.679 people that's sacrilegious, but that's my opinion. 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:08.380 Not for us, it's not. I mean, we give all the 00:17:08.380 --> 00:17:11.519 singers that sang for Sabbath a chance. I mean, 00:17:11.539 --> 00:17:14.440 there's lots of good songs with other singers, 00:17:14.539 --> 00:17:19.019 too. Tony Martin, he had some great songs with 00:17:19.019 --> 00:17:24.049 them. Agreed. I love all their air. I want to 00:17:24.049 --> 00:17:26.769 ask you a question before we, before we end this. 00:17:26.829 --> 00:17:29.630 So leave time, leave time for me to ask you a 00:17:29.630 --> 00:17:32.369 question. Okay. Is it, does it have to do with, 00:17:32.369 --> 00:17:35.809 um, should Chuck Sheldiner have sung on control 00:17:35.809 --> 00:17:42.109 denied? Chuck Sheldiner have sung on the control 00:17:42.109 --> 00:17:47.089 denied albums. Is that your question? Well, I 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:51.059 mean, the song, the, yeah. No, that's not the 00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:55.519 question. I saw you post that on social media, 00:17:55.579 --> 00:17:57.019 so I wrote it down. I'm like, I'm going to bring 00:17:57.019 --> 00:18:00.240 it up, see what we can get out of this. I mean, 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.400 I love Chuck's voice. I know he hated it at the 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.920 last there. He hated having to sing on those 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.160 albums, but I love his voice. That's one of the 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.319 things that made me fall in love with that. And 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.339 I would really love to have heard that album 00:18:14.339 --> 00:18:17.589 with his voice on it. The singer did a great 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:22.170 job, you know, but to me, it wasn't supposed 00:18:22.170 --> 00:18:25.170 to be dead. So, you know, I get it, but I still 00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:27.130 would have liked to have heard it with Chuz's 00:18:27.130 --> 00:18:31.089 voice. Yeah, it's funny when you brought that 00:18:31.089 --> 00:18:35.690 up because it took me back to late 90s, early 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:39.910 2000s. My last job before moving to Europe, we 00:18:39.910 --> 00:18:42.809 were all a bunch of metalheads in this, the one 00:18:42.809 --> 00:18:46.089 job that I had. And somebody brought in the demos 00:18:46.089 --> 00:18:49.549 for Control Denied. And at the time it was like, 00:18:49.609 --> 00:18:52.650 oh, this is never going to come out. So on and 00:18:52.650 --> 00:18:55.509 so forth. And he had a burned copy that he'd 00:18:55.509 --> 00:18:57.750 gotten. I don't know where it sounded like shit, 00:18:57.829 --> 00:19:00.990 but we were all like in all listening to it. 00:19:01.049 --> 00:19:03.710 So when it came out years later, officially, 00:19:03.890 --> 00:19:07.150 at least the first album, I had to pick it up. 00:19:08.509 --> 00:19:11.450 Yeah. I mean, it's great. It's a really good 00:19:11.450 --> 00:19:14.900 album. Don't get me wrong. To me, I just would 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:17.779 have much rather heard Chubb's voice on it. And, 00:19:17.779 --> 00:19:22.079 you know, but that was something to me. Yeah. 00:19:22.779 --> 00:19:26.660 Okay. So previous to Wizards Light, it had taken 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:29.519 you guys a year, two years, more or less, between 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:34.640 albums. But between Blood and Iron and Wizards 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.940 Light, it took four years. Was that something 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:40.759 that happened purposefully? Was it something 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.980 that... Again, you guys planned, or it just played 00:19:44.980 --> 00:19:49.680 out that way? No, it wasn't something we planned 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:53.920 purposely. I mean, we've gone through a couple 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:58.680 drummers, you know, and that kind of set us back. 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.359 Casey Wainwright, the drummer that played on 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:07.279 this album, he was with us for about two years, 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.450 and he just... He had to step away for health 00:20:11.450 --> 00:20:14.990 reasons. So, you know, we played with him for 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.589 a while and felt a really good groove with him, 00:20:17.690 --> 00:20:20.849 and he had to step away. So then we tried out 00:20:20.849 --> 00:20:23.089 another drummer, and it just didn't work out. 00:20:23.549 --> 00:20:26.509 And now we have Shane Shook that we've all known 00:20:26.509 --> 00:20:29.390 for years and played in different bands with 00:20:29.390 --> 00:20:32.750 him, and he's in the band now, and he's working 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:36.309 out really well. But it definitely was not a 00:20:36.309 --> 00:20:39.509 plan for us to take. And it turned into putting 00:20:39.509 --> 00:20:45.150 another album out. Okay. And during that time, 00:20:45.170 --> 00:20:48.230 do you feel that you had more time to maybe work 00:20:48.230 --> 00:20:51.609 on some of these songs than what you maybe previously 00:20:51.609 --> 00:20:54.170 had? Or was everything already done? It was just 00:20:54.170 --> 00:21:00.549 sorting out the drummers. No, I mean, our original 00:21:00.549 --> 00:21:03.069 drummer, Johnny, helped us pretty much write 00:21:03.069 --> 00:21:06.440 five of those nine songs. We got Casey in the 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:09.779 band. We wasn't no longer on Napalm. So we said, 00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:13.339 you know, well, let's write an album. So Casey 00:21:13.339 --> 00:21:16.900 had time to come in. And he pretty much stayed 00:21:16.900 --> 00:21:19.000 true to everything Johnny did for those first 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.700 five songs. And we were under no pressure, no 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:27.940 time limit. So, you know, that's the way that 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:31.119 went. Yeah, Blood and Iron, we had deadlines. 00:21:33.909 --> 00:21:37.390 We don't work very well on deadlines, it doesn't 00:21:37.390 --> 00:21:42.109 seem. So having the extra time to write Wizards 00:21:42.109 --> 00:21:45.410 Light was nice. I just kind of wish it wouldn't 00:21:45.410 --> 00:21:48.890 have taken as long as it did. But saying that, 00:21:49.049 --> 00:21:52.190 a lot of people have told us that they think 00:21:52.190 --> 00:21:54.890 that this is our best album. So maybe the extra 00:21:54.890 --> 00:21:59.269 time was worth it. Okay. It definitely sounds 00:21:59.269 --> 00:22:03.720 like... Sonically, I think the album probably 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.940 sounds the best out of all of the albums in the 00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:10.680 sense that and not to say that the other album 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.799 sounded bad. It just seems like every instrument, 00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:16.980 the vocals are each in their own kind of lane 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:20.799 and you can really hear everything where with 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.539 like Blood and Iron, maybe it was a little bit 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:27.579 more bottom end heavy than this album is. It 00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:30.779 seems like. the bottom end is there, but it seems 00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:34.779 like everything is on the same level this time 00:22:34.779 --> 00:22:36.799 around. Do you feel that's a fair assessment? 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:43.180 Yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. The 00:22:43.180 --> 00:22:45.700 production on this one turned out great. And 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:49.299 I think it's cool too, like each album kind of 00:22:49.299 --> 00:22:52.019 sounds a little different, you know, from each 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:57.180 other. So yeah, for sure. Yeah. The other cool 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:00.529 thing is, With you guys being told that it's 00:23:00.529 --> 00:23:03.130 your best album, I think it's a real easy album 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:06.670 to listen to in the sense that you start listening 00:23:06.670 --> 00:23:09.410 to the first track and before you know it, the 00:23:09.410 --> 00:23:11.869 album's done. I mean, there are so many albums 00:23:11.869 --> 00:23:15.329 now that you put on and you're like, shit, didn't 00:23:15.329 --> 00:23:17.410 I hear this song already? Wasn't that like the 00:23:17.410 --> 00:23:20.970 third song? No, I'm on song seven. The album 00:23:20.970 --> 00:23:24.069 isn't over yet. You know, whereas with this album, 00:23:24.190 --> 00:23:28.299 everything really like flows. Um, I really like 00:23:28.299 --> 00:23:31.079 a lot of the melodies that you guys incorporated 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.019 in, in the album. And that's, it's interesting, 00:23:34.140 --> 00:23:36.759 Chris, that you brought up that you're not, you 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.720 have elements of doom because I mean, everyone 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.200 wants to say, no, they're from everything that 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.440 I've seen online. They're a doom band, but there's 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.059 so many other elements in there. And especially 00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:51.319 with your vocals. I think if you listen to a 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:55.859 classic doom band, they don't. They don't incorporate 00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:58.779 the same types of melodies that you guys do in 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:03.099 the songs or the same kind of intricate writing 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.440 with the music behind it to go along with those 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:13.859 melodies. Yeah. When we were playing with Casey, 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:18.720 Casey would always tell me that he thought that 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.130 I was a drummer in a guitar player's body. He 00:24:23.130 --> 00:24:27.990 was like, what you write on guitar totally transfers 00:24:27.990 --> 00:24:32.150 to drums. And I didn't understand it at the time. 00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:35.390 But what Casey didn't know was when I was younger, 00:24:35.450 --> 00:24:38.930 I started out playing drums. So I switched and 00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:41.730 then I went to bass and then I gradually went 00:24:41.730 --> 00:24:44.230 over to guitar. So I get where he's coming from. 00:24:44.289 --> 00:24:48.450 But I think maybe that helps me come up with 00:24:48.450 --> 00:24:51.740 different... styles of melodies that maybe other 00:24:51.740 --> 00:24:55.559 doom singers don't come up with i i really don't 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.420 know i just kind of whatever i think sounds good 00:24:59.420 --> 00:25:02.720 with this what i put with it yeah and that makes 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:05.380 sense because if you're coming from a drumming 00:25:05.380 --> 00:25:08.359 standpoint you're going to be more rhythmic with 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.940 what you're doing there are a lot of players 00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:15.740 that i've come across um where they don't have 00:25:15.740 --> 00:25:20.519 that same connection because I don't know, maybe 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.880 arrogance, maybe no time to learn, you know, 00:25:23.900 --> 00:25:29.779 the bottom end of things, you know. I think that's 00:25:29.779 --> 00:25:32.220 super important. It's kind of like learning different 00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:34.480 positions in sports, knowing what the other guy's 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.559 doing so that if you need to, you know, you're 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:42.339 there. The funny thing is that interviews in 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:45.440 the past that we've done, I've always told everybody 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.789 I didn't write any lyrics. or sing any vocals 00:25:49.789 --> 00:25:54.130 until we record. And most people say that's odd. 00:25:54.890 --> 00:25:57.430 That's just the way I've always done it. We always 00:25:57.430 --> 00:25:59.549 write the music first, and then I always add 00:25:59.549 --> 00:26:01.470 the lyrics later. These guys don't even have 00:26:01.470 --> 00:26:04.930 a clue what the lyrics or music or vocals are 00:26:04.930 --> 00:26:06.690 going to sound like until we record the album. 00:26:07.450 --> 00:26:10.069 A lot of classic bands do that. I mean, if you 00:26:10.069 --> 00:26:13.009 look back, you watch documentaries of bands from 00:26:13.009 --> 00:26:16.440 the 70s or 80s, they all talk about... doing 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:20.339 that we're almost unless the vocalist is a musician 00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:24.240 himself they really don't work on the lyrics 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.720 until that last stage so that's you know you 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.359 know that that's kind of going back to what bands 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.839 used to do it it seems like a lot more bands 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:37.019 have turned to all right well i have this lyric 00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:39.039 and let's build something around it and maybe 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.319 that lends itself to The era that we're in where 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:44.519 people are just cutting and pasting stuff as 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.900 opposed to just jamming stuff out and fleshing 00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:52.119 out a song like that. Well, I used to write, 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.759 when we were in other bands, I used to write 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.839 and worry about what I was going to sing. Am 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.339 I going to be able to sing and play this at the 00:26:58.339 --> 00:27:01.960 same time? And now with this band, I've never 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.359 done that. I've always written the lyrics first. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.599 We've put them together, and then I put the words 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.660 to it, and I don't worry about playing and singing 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.940 them until it comes time to do it. So I think 00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:18.420 that's what's helped me the most on all these 00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.759 albums, come up with the melodies that I've been 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.920 able to come up with, is just not really worrying 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:28.319 about it if I can play and sing them. Okay. Going 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.660 into recording the album, was there anything 00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:35.890 that you guys had set as a goal? Um, did you 00:27:35.890 --> 00:27:37.990 want the, on the sound a certain way? Did you 00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:40.670 want to try certain things you hadn't done in 00:27:40.670 --> 00:27:45.849 the past or you guys just went in and it kind 00:27:45.849 --> 00:27:48.390 of, you know, flowed with whatever came out? 00:27:51.150 --> 00:27:57.210 Uh, I think as far as, uh, the sound goes, uh, 00:27:57.369 --> 00:28:00.450 of the recording, I think we were kind of shooting 00:28:00.450 --> 00:28:05.339 towards more production like, uh, on our second 00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:09.299 album Valhalla that was like super crisp right 00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:13.640 and clean but we wanted to get that but uh bigger 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:17.019 you know so I think like we kind of you know 00:28:17.019 --> 00:28:20.220 we brought the a little bit more uh boominess 00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:26.240 in the kick drum on top of uh the pop and then 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.380 uh Terry's bass tone had a lot to do with that 00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:33.380 too filling that out so we had this kind of wide 00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:39.730 bass to insert the guitars into. And every instrument 00:28:39.730 --> 00:28:45.069 had its set in place. So when Chris sang on top 00:28:45.069 --> 00:28:49.150 of it, everything's nice and separated and worked 00:28:49.150 --> 00:28:52.089 out really well. Our main goal was not to screw 00:28:52.089 --> 00:28:56.970 the drums up. Because that was the biggest complaint 00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.509 that we have on Blood and Iron. And, you know, 00:28:59.509 --> 00:29:03.400 we... It was our own fault. We did it. And we 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.140 kind of screwed Johnny on that. And we wanted 00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:08.839 to make sure that that didn't happen again. Because 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.019 that was the main complaint on most people's 00:29:12.019 --> 00:29:16.019 critiques of the album was that the drums were 00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:19.200 too low or, you know, whatever. So we wanted 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.180 to make sure that the drums were very well heard 00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:25.319 on this album. And I think they are. And I think 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.480 Jeremy did a really good job of mixing all of 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.720 it to make sure that it all was legendary, I 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:35.519 guess. Yeah, we all don't come into the studio 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.799 mixing time. Jeremy usually does it on his own, 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.079 and then he'll send it to us, and we'll send 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.519 our critiques back to him, and he'll adjust accordingly. 00:29:44.059 --> 00:29:46.400 But at the beginning, I thought the bass and 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.099 the drums was a little bit too hot. That's just 00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:51.839 my opinion of it. But when I heard everything 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.819 together, yeah, it was right on. So you thought 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:00.220 your own playing was too loud. So that's interesting. 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:03.500 Yeah, because I just wasn't used to hearing it 00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:05.700 that way. If you go back and listen to the prior 00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:08.099 three albums, the bass does not stand out as 00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:10.119 much as it does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. 00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:14.519 It's more... Who am I going to complain about? 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.819 I like it like that. I would turn Terry's bass 00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:21.019 up even more if he would allow it. Because, I 00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:23.849 mean, some of his bass lines are amazing. To 00:30:23.849 --> 00:30:25.809 get muscle underneath the drums and guitars, 00:30:26.089 --> 00:30:32.349 to me, I'd rather be on top. Okay. Gear -wise, 00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.890 was there any different type of gear you guys 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:40.609 used when recording this album? And how does 00:30:40.609 --> 00:30:44.329 your gear in the studio vary from when you go 00:30:44.329 --> 00:30:49.650 out and you play live? Drum -wise, there was... 00:30:50.779 --> 00:30:55.680 Real drums. 95 % of them was real drums. Yeah, 00:30:55.700 --> 00:30:58.440 he didn't use any triggers or anything like that 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:00.359 on the drums on this album, which I think helped 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.400 a lot. And what you're hearing is what was played, 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.660 pretty much. The natural sound of his drums in 00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:12.380 that room is what you got. Okay. Yeah. And for 00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:17.750 you, pretty much. Played direct in and right. 00:31:17.869 --> 00:31:21.390 Yeah. I didn't use pre -amps and direct in, but 00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:25.950 Jeremy got, Jeremy actually made my pedal for 00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:29.630 my sound live. So it's pretty much, you know, 00:31:29.630 --> 00:31:32.430 it's close as it can be from live sound here 00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:35.589 to on the album. Our amps that we recorded with 00:31:35.589 --> 00:31:37.390 are pretty much the exact same thing that we 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:41.549 use live. Okay. Yeah. It's orange, you know, 00:31:41.549 --> 00:31:46.440 it's like orange heads at 412s. So like Rocket 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:50.980 Burbs and he used like an 80, 80, 30, 80, 30. 00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:54.460 And, uh, you know, like for some lead stuff, 00:31:54.740 --> 00:32:02.380 uh, like a little Marshall combo and, uh, just 00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:05.359 on some, not all of them, but some, most of it 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:10.380 was orange, orange and Marshall. And, uh, maybe 00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:15.680 did one with, uh, uh, was it a Morgan? Yeah, 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.579 something like that. We kept it pretty simple 00:32:18.579 --> 00:32:24.039 as far as guitars and amps go. But yeah, I mean, 00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.720 pretty much what you hear on the album, it's 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.259 going to sound real close to that live. Okay. 00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:34.559 As far as guitars and bass, what are your go 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:42.359 -tos? Oh, I play ESP Limited Vibers. That's pretty 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:48.880 much all I play. Okay. Yeah, the two that are 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:53.539 on the record and I play live, I've got a PRS 00:32:53.539 --> 00:33:02.180 Standard 22 and also a PRS Single Cut. And they 00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:08.279 got like top -rated pickups. But that's pretty 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.210 much, those are my two main guitars. Yeah, bass, 00:33:13.410 --> 00:33:16.650 I play a Fender Jazz. It's just loaded up with 00:33:16.650 --> 00:33:20.769 nasty AMG pickups where I get that distortion 00:33:20.769 --> 00:33:29.910 from. Cool. If you guys had a chance to go out 00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:34.049 on a bill, it would be the Wolf Tooth bill where 00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:37.049 you guys would headline, you guys would have 00:33:37.049 --> 00:33:41.240 a band that's currently around. and one that 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:46.180 no longer exists play beneath you guys, who would 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:53.059 those two bands be? Well, can the bands that 00:33:53.059 --> 00:33:55.720 we have played beneath us be bigger than us? 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.519 Absolutely. This is your dream. It'd be weird 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:06.519 to have a big band open up for us. I mean. Yeah, 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.139 I don't know. I mean, we played with Crowbar 00:34:09.139 --> 00:34:11.260 before me, and we really enjoyed that. We played 00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:13.840 with Crowbar, and we really enjoyed that. Spirit 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.380 of Drift. Spirit of Drift. I love Spirit of Drift. 00:34:16.420 --> 00:34:20.480 I think they're great. They would probably be 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:27.219 on the bill for the newer band. And for me, I 00:34:27.219 --> 00:34:31.260 mean... It doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, it doesn't 00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:35.099 exist anymore. Thin Lizzy or... Led Zeppelin 00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:37.139 or Black Sabbath probably be in the top three 00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:41.280 or well Iron Maiden is still around so I would 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:47.920 say one of those three for me anyway yeah that's 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:56.940 cool all right that that works to pick up Wizard's 00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:00.420 Light what's the best way for somebody to purchase 00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:02.920 a physical copy of it and get the most amount 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.159 of money Back in the band's pocket. Bandcamp. 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.900 Wolftoothbandcamp .com. Yeah, and tomorrow is 00:35:13.900 --> 00:35:18.699 Bandcamp Friday. So tomorrow is a good day to 00:35:18.699 --> 00:35:23.500 get it. But yeah, Bandcamp, our Bandcamp, wolftooth 00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:29.559 .bandcamp .com. And also, you can pick up a copy 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:33.650 of Ripple Music. They're big carts out. And they're 00:35:33.650 --> 00:35:37.230 banking as well. The funny thing, too, is oddly 00:35:37.230 --> 00:35:43.550 enough, I was talking to our guy from Napalm 00:35:43.550 --> 00:35:46.449 the other day. And oddly enough, they're going 00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:52.630 to be carrying on an album, too. But we get more 00:35:52.630 --> 00:35:57.130 money from us. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, they 00:35:57.130 --> 00:36:01.130 have they have a pretty big store. I've gotten 00:36:01.130 --> 00:36:02.869 into a few arguments with them over the years 00:36:02.869 --> 00:36:05.710 about shipping and taxes and shit like that, 00:36:05.750 --> 00:36:09.469 but that's a conversation for another day. Yeah. 00:36:10.190 --> 00:36:14.590 Chris, what was your question for me? Okay. So 00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:18.650 in your opinion, how is this going to happen 00:36:18.650 --> 00:36:22.469 then? So Metallica is coming up on their, the 00:36:22.469 --> 00:36:24.949 end of their days, I would say here in the next 00:36:24.949 --> 00:36:27.710 few years, guessing, just guessing, but you know, 00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:32.980 Megadeth is, on their last tour next year and 00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:37.139 you know their Iron Age is going to be coming 00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.559 to an end soon Judas Priest is going to be coming 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.000 into an end soon so how do you see bands like 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.039 us or on our level getting to that level when 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.800 none of those bands are bringing out bands like 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:58.119 us to showcase for other people There's a lot 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:03.219 of things that I think that have fallen by the 00:37:03.219 --> 00:37:08.380 wayside. There's definitely a culture that's 00:37:08.380 --> 00:37:14.579 been lost that existed in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:19.619 where big bands took a risk, brought out bands 00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:22.380 like yours, brought out another kind of intermediate 00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:27.119 band so that. You know, they kind of spread the 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:33.440 wealth. Metallica still does it to an extent. 00:37:34.780 --> 00:37:37.579 Obviously, you know, they have, you know, they've 00:37:37.579 --> 00:37:41.039 had Pantera out and Nice Nine Kills. And then 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.480 they've had like bands playing in the parking 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.980 lot, like Overkill and Prong, I know, played 00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:51.980 back home for me in New Jersey, which is cool. 00:37:52.099 --> 00:37:55.309 But those are still all. more or less established 00:37:55.309 --> 00:37:59.849 and veteran bands. Very established bands. Yeah. 00:38:02.550 --> 00:38:07.929 And I answered something today for something 00:38:07.929 --> 00:38:11.190 that Rich Beato brought up about, you know, metal 00:38:11.190 --> 00:38:15.110 kind of losing its thunder and kids not being 00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:19.289 involved and stuff like that. I think part of 00:38:19.289 --> 00:38:21.769 the problem that exists, and this touches upon 00:38:21.769 --> 00:38:27.230 what you mentioned, is that a lot of these bigger 00:38:27.230 --> 00:38:30.989 shows are just way too expensive. Whereas when 00:38:30.989 --> 00:38:35.510 we grew up, you, you had $20 shows, you had $9 00:38:35.510 --> 00:38:40.369 shows where there were bands like yours that 00:38:40.369 --> 00:38:44.849 were going out with an Alice in Chains or a Soundgarden 00:38:44.849 --> 00:38:48.469 or a Pantera. And you got like a $20 bill where 00:38:48.469 --> 00:38:51.989 four bands were playing. Plus you had like, 10 00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:54.809 local bands on that same bill. You know, that 00:38:54.809 --> 00:38:59.829 doesn't exist anymore. They're, they're pricing 00:38:59.829 --> 00:39:06.590 a lot of the audience out. I'm lucky that my 00:39:06.590 --> 00:39:11.010 kids who are as of Monday are both going to be 00:39:11.010 --> 00:39:16.039 teenagers are into this style of music, but that's 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.219 an anomaly. Most kids their age are into this 00:39:19.219 --> 00:39:23.619 shit that's on Tik TOK and, and, and the problem 00:39:23.619 --> 00:39:26.440 is that the music isn't accessible anymore. They're, 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:29.780 they can't afford to go to a show. If I want 00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:32.340 to take them to a show, every time we visit the 00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:35.539 States, you know, every summer I'm paying four 00:39:35.539 --> 00:39:40.840 to $500 for four people to go to a show. And 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.730 that's, Without even talking about instruments. 00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:50.510 You know, the last guitar that I bought 14, 15 00:39:50.510 --> 00:39:56.829 years ago over here in Europe cost about $800. 00:39:57.230 --> 00:40:03.969 And I've been as destroyer. There's nothing that's 00:40:03.969 --> 00:40:07.469 remotely decent that costs less than $1 ,000, 00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:10.860 $1 ,500. And that's without getting to... your 00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.920 Gibsons and your Fenders that are selling guitars 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.940 for $3 ,000 to $6 ,000. How are you going to 00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:19.659 get a kid to play, to learn to play a guitar 00:40:19.659 --> 00:40:23.019 or any instrument if you're pricing them out? 00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:25.840 They're just going to end up buying another smartphone, 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:30.139 another video game console because that's cheaper 00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:36.179 and it's going to grab their attention. It's 00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:38.039 going to grab more people's attention just because 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.699 of the economic factor. If we go back a few decades, 00:40:44.019 --> 00:40:49.519 an audience like yours should be how many years 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.860 younger? Theoretically, you know, the people 00:40:53.860 --> 00:40:57.199 that are supposed to support you, if you look 00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.400 at the bands, all the bands that you mentioned, 00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:03.719 most of those guys are 15 to 20 years older than 00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:10.940 me, you know, and I'm in my early 50s. If you 00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:13.320 look at any of the waves of music that have come 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:17.599 along, all the fans are at least 10 years younger 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.900 than the people that are playing on stage. So 00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:24.099 if those people are no longer being connected, 00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:28.440 that's to me, that's the biggest disconnect out 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.679 of, out of everything. And that's not allowing 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.500 when you're pricing the youth out of it, that's 00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:37.199 affecting bands like yours to go out to make 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.710 a living off of this because You don't have the 00:41:40.710 --> 00:41:44.250 same amount of people to draw from. The argument 00:41:44.250 --> 00:41:49.369 that, well, you know, with the internet and streaming 00:41:49.369 --> 00:41:52.690 and that, yeah, I think streaming and all these 00:41:52.690 --> 00:41:56.449 platforms should pay you guys more, without a 00:41:56.449 --> 00:42:03.289 doubt. At the same time, your audience is right 00:42:03.289 --> 00:42:06.469 there, you know, which is a tool that people 00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:09.360 didn't have. All those years ago for better, 00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:11.619 for worse. I don't know. Maybe that's a long 00:42:11.619 --> 00:42:16.420 -winded response. But what metal bands are going 00:42:16.420 --> 00:42:19.239 to be filling arenas like Metallica does or Judas 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.000 Priest or Iron Maiden? What metal bands are going 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:26.460 to be coming up filling that void? I hate to 00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:29.920 say this, but it's sad for me to think that maybe 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.639 the only band that can do that someday might 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.599 be Ghost or something like that. If that's what 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.219 we have to look forward to, I'm not saying Ghost 00:42:39.219 --> 00:42:42.380 is bad or anything, but I mean, Slipknot, yeah, 00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.400 but Slipknot's even getting older. Slipknot's 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:48.000 been around for 30 years. Yeah, it just seems 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.739 like there's not ever going to be another Metallica. 00:42:50.780 --> 00:42:52.320 There's never going to be another Judas Priest. 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.039 There's never going to be another Iron Maiden 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.219 to fill those shoes. To me, maybe not, but it 00:42:57.219 --> 00:42:59.519 seems like maybe Metal's being pushed back underground 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.300 somewhat. Yeah, I think, and I've said this for 00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:10.519 a while, Unfortunately, you look at blues, you 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.480 look at jazz, you look at any other wave that 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:18.280 came before FM radio or MTV or stuff like that. 00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:23.039 It's not dissimilar to what's going on now. A 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.880 lot of people are complaining about, oh, well, 00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.159 there's only one original member left or there's 00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:29.019 no original members left. What happened to the 00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:31.579 Temptations? What happened to the Spinners and 00:43:31.579 --> 00:43:35.239 all these bands from the 60s? It's the same exact 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.840 thing. And a lot of them ended up, you know, 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:42.099 I, as a kid, I ended up seeing one of the Supremes 00:43:42.099 --> 00:43:45.519 at, you know, local football field singing a 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.920 few Supreme songs for July 4th, you know, and 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:57.840 it's unfortunate, but I think a good amount of 00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.820 metal is going to be trending that way. I think 00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:02.340 we'll always have the underground that'll be 00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:07.599 in our favor, but that. Commercial success that 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:12.320 a Metallica had or a Priest or a Maiden, it's 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:16.320 difficult to envision there being anyone else, 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.659 even beyond Ghost, because you guys are saying 00:44:18.659 --> 00:44:22.659 Slipknot, Lamb of God, for example, Killswitch, 00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:25.440 Engage, these bands, they've all been around 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:30.159 since the 90s. Yeah, right. So they're not new. 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.559 Ghost, at this point in time, They've been around 00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.719 for like 15 years also. I saw them on their first 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.559 tour playing at 3 p .m. in the afternoon at a 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.940 festival, sweating their asses off with all the 00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:46.159 makeup on and all the masks and all that shit. 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:55.199 And that was 2010, I think it was. So it's hard. 00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.530 It sucks. And, you know, I'm hoping that. There 00:45:00.530 --> 00:45:03.329 is something that we haven't seen that's coming, 00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:06.170 that's going to continue what we love going. 00:45:06.489 --> 00:45:14.110 You know, I do a monthly show where we talk nothing 00:45:14.110 --> 00:45:17.929 but new music all the time. New music, new bands 00:45:17.929 --> 00:45:21.250 from bands that we all know that are coming out 00:45:21.250 --> 00:45:24.230 with new material. Because I think that's super 00:45:24.230 --> 00:45:28.980 important to keep everything going. There's always 00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:31.619 good new music coming out. You just have to search 00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:33.480 it out. You know, unfortunately it's not in our 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.579 face like it was before, but it's there. If you 00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:39.179 look for it, your album is a perfect example 00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:44.400 of that. So if, if nothing else, I hope that 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.599 this interview, you know, helps, helps push people 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.420 in your direction and helps. people pick it up 00:45:52.420 --> 00:45:55.460 or, you know, check you guys out. At least they 00:45:55.460 --> 00:45:57.860 have the streaming platforms there to check the 00:45:57.860 --> 00:46:00.340 album out. If they like it, I encourage them 00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:03.320 to buy it, which is what I do. If I hear something 00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.519 and I like it, I buy it because, you know, we 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.900 just noticed that or Terry was saying the other 00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.079 day that our Spotify numbers have doubled. Oh, 00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:16.710 wow. Yeah, which I grew up with almost 10 ,000. 00:46:16.730 --> 00:46:19.849 Yeah, we've never been over 4 ,000 monthly listeners. 00:46:19.909 --> 00:46:21.969 Now we're almost 10 ,000. Oh, wow. Just since 00:46:21.969 --> 00:46:25.010 that came out, what, three weeks, two weeks? 00:46:25.090 --> 00:46:27.510 So that's pretty awesome to think that that many 00:46:27.510 --> 00:46:29.590 different people have listened, you know, picked 00:46:29.590 --> 00:46:32.449 us up or started listening to us just through 00:46:32.449 --> 00:46:36.789 this album. And that's awesome. You know, that's... 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.960 one of those things where you, it doesn't matter 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.119 when somebody hops on the train, as long as they 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:47.380 do, you know? Uh, and, and, and I think, again, 00:46:47.539 --> 00:46:50.440 I think that the album is well worth people's 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.539 listen. And I, and I hope that that's, that's 00:46:53.539 --> 00:46:55.679 the reason why actually the reason doesn't matter 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.760 as long as they're listening to you guys. Yeah. 00:46:58.860 --> 00:47:03.460 Well, appreciate it. Yeah. Um, where should people 00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:08.659 go to keep up with you guys? Uh, just on our 00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:12.559 Facebook, Instagram, uh, we post everything on 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.400 there. Yeah. We'll teach Facebook. It's, it's 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.500 pretty easy to find. We try to keep constant 00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:22.280 on, on those, at least, you know, just trying 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.179 to keep people involved in it still and trying 00:47:26.179 --> 00:47:29.320 to lose people. Cause it is very easy for people 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:33.599 to lose attention. Absolutely. Guys, I want to 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:38.719 thank you for your time. And as you guys said, 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.639 when this interview comes out, which will be 00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:47.119 the first Friday of December 2025, go to Bandcamp, 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.860 pick the album up. And even if you check the 00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:52.599 interview out later, go to Bandcamp and pick 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:56.400 the album up. Guys, I appreciate your time and 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.880 wish you guys nothing but luck. Yeah. Thanks 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:02.780 for your time. All right, guys. And thanks for 00:48:02.780 --> 00:48:05.280 being, thanks for accommodating me with the time 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.440 as well. I really appreciate it. No problem. 00:48:08.539 --> 00:48:10.820 No problem. Thank you. All right, guys. Have 00:48:10.820 --> 00:48:23.760 a good one. Thank you for listening to the signals 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.480 from Mars podcast. You can subscribe to the show 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.360 on all your favorite podcast platforms like Apple 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.920 Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon, and 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.340 more. 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