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It 00:03:17.419 --> 00:03:19.639 comes out tomorrow, actually, which is when the 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:24.360 video version of the episode will debut. This 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:28.039 audio version comes out a week later. So the 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.120 album's been out a week by the time you guys 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.979 listen to this. Anyway, so when the opportunity 00:03:33.979 --> 00:03:38.759 came. To interview someone from the band. I said 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:43.259 sure why not. I really got the bug for interviewing 00:03:43.259 --> 00:03:46.020 people again. It hasn't been like that for a 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:48.039 long time. And I'm not going to say that I've. 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.460 Interviewed a whole heap of people. Because I've 00:03:52.460 --> 00:03:55.560 done a total of seven interviews this year. And 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:01.650 they've been. More or less. From. The late spring 00:04:01.650 --> 00:04:03.909 where I set up a bunch of things for over the 00:04:03.909 --> 00:04:07.229 summer to the last few weeks, I've been interviewing 00:04:07.229 --> 00:04:10.990 a bunch of different people to fill out content 00:04:10.990 --> 00:04:13.090 for the rest of the year. So instead of just 00:04:13.090 --> 00:04:16.610 taking weeks off, as I've done in the past, I 00:04:16.610 --> 00:04:18.250 figured I'd give you guys something. And there 00:04:18.250 --> 00:04:20.589 were a lot of people that were clamoring for 00:04:20.589 --> 00:04:25.970 interviews as well. So kind of getting back into 00:04:25.970 --> 00:04:28.329 the swing of things and we'll be mixing things 00:04:28.329 --> 00:04:32.310 up more so than. than I have before. I think 00:04:32.310 --> 00:04:34.930 this discussion with Rich is really cool. We 00:04:34.930 --> 00:04:37.850 also get into Performer's Health, which is something 00:04:37.850 --> 00:04:42.889 that he's the founder of. And believe me, if 00:04:42.889 --> 00:04:45.490 you haven't followed me on Patreon, you'll know 00:04:45.490 --> 00:04:49.290 that I've worked a lot on mindfulness and working 00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:51.769 out and different things over the years to go 00:04:51.769 --> 00:04:56.110 from 270 all the way down to about 190, which 00:04:56.110 --> 00:04:59.360 is where I'm at right now. Um, it's important 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.800 folks. Don't wait until it's too late to, um, 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.819 you know, get your health in order. Anyway, enough 00:05:06.819 --> 00:05:08.699 of me blabbering. Let's get on with the episode. 00:05:29.379 --> 00:05:32.800 Welcome everyone to the latest episode of Signals 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.060 from Mars. Joining me today is Rich Knox from 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:38.819 the band Danko Jones. Rich, how are you doing? 00:05:40.100 --> 00:05:42.079 I'm great, man. Thanks for having me on your 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:44.819 podcast. Awesome to have you on. So first thing 00:05:44.819 --> 00:05:47.060 I want to bring up is the first time I ever heard 00:05:47.060 --> 00:05:52.740 the name Danko Jones was during MTV News or something 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:56.819 like that around the year 2000. And the first 00:05:56.819 --> 00:05:59.649 thing that... stood out to me was Danko saying, 00:05:59.889 --> 00:06:01.990 if you're a Kiss fan, you're either an Ace fan 00:06:01.990 --> 00:06:08.709 or a Gene fan. Really? Yes. Okay. So my question 00:06:08.709 --> 00:06:12.129 to you, being a member of the band, are you an 00:06:12.129 --> 00:06:19.230 Ace fan or a Gene fan? I'm an Ace fan. But yeah. 00:06:20.069 --> 00:06:22.750 But I thought, you know, I think Danko's like 00:06:22.750 --> 00:06:26.160 Team Paul. Okay. But maybe in 2000, that was 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.500 the choice you had to make. But yeah, I'm going 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:34.040 to go with Ace. Okay. But yeah, insider baseball, 00:06:34.379 --> 00:06:39.620 I think Danko, he's a team Paul. Okay. What's 00:06:39.620 --> 00:06:43.120 your favorite interaction with KISS or anything 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:48.339 related with KISS over the years? Well, you know 00:06:48.339 --> 00:06:52.240 what, man? JC and Danko are both huge KISS fans, 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:56.180 Danko especially. I'm like, I'm like a fair weather 00:06:56.180 --> 00:06:58.079 kiss fan. I gotta be honest. I hope I don't break 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.879 any hearts here on the podcast. That's cool. 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:04.680 But like, but I mean, I, I love a lot of kiss 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.699 songs. I just never went deep into, into kiss 00:07:07.699 --> 00:07:12.540 fandom as those guys had. One of my favorite 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:16.139 interactions with kiss is kind of a, like a indirect 00:07:16.139 --> 00:07:19.819 interaction. And that would be our, our new music 00:07:19.819 --> 00:07:23.089 video. for our song diamond in the rough i see 00:07:23.089 --> 00:07:25.430 you probably wear your head with this but uh 00:07:25.430 --> 00:07:29.329 we hired a kiss cover band from gothenburg to 00:07:29.329 --> 00:07:33.449 uh to play our song in our music video dressed 00:07:33.449 --> 00:07:35.930 up as kiss uh so i thought that was pretty funny 00:07:35.930 --> 00:07:40.129 that was a jc's idea but that and yeah like uh 00:07:40.129 --> 00:07:43.209 i don't know i mean kiss is a great i think they're 00:07:43.209 --> 00:07:44.810 they are a great band but i just they're not 00:07:44.810 --> 00:07:49.209 like my favorite band okay fair enough yeah um 00:07:50.129 --> 00:07:53.670 What was your last, I mean, to me, that video 00:07:53.670 --> 00:07:55.730 is kind of surreal, seeing the whole Phantom 00:07:55.730 --> 00:07:59.050 of the Park type thing play out. For you as a 00:07:59.050 --> 00:08:02.389 musician, what was the last surreal interaction 00:08:02.389 --> 00:08:10.149 with another band? A surreal interaction I had, 00:08:10.310 --> 00:08:13.829 I guess, is a couple of years back. This one 00:08:13.829 --> 00:08:15.569 just comes to mind. There's a few, like you just 00:08:15.569 --> 00:08:18.290 get to occasionally, you know, during festival 00:08:18.290 --> 00:08:21.699 season, you get to. be side stage with people 00:08:21.699 --> 00:08:23.740 that you've looked up to forever and you get 00:08:23.740 --> 00:08:27.860 to see those people perform uh the songs that 00:08:27.860 --> 00:08:30.720 you've known forever and it i mean that in itself 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.620 is surreal but like personal interaction a few 00:08:34.620 --> 00:08:38.299 years back we toured uh the uk a short run with 00:08:38.299 --> 00:08:41.980 the darkness and blackstone cherry and uh one 00:08:41.980 --> 00:08:47.559 day uh rufus the drummer in uh the darkness was 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.139 late for soundcheck. And so about a half hour 00:08:50.139 --> 00:08:52.100 before soundcheck, someone came and found me 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:54.740 and one of their crew and said like, Hey, uh, 00:08:54.940 --> 00:08:56.820 our drummer's going to be late for soundcheck. 00:08:56.860 --> 00:08:59.360 Do you mind sitting in and playing drums with 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.960 the band? So I, I said, yeah, sure. I'd love 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.299 to do that. And I, so I went up to their, uh, 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.559 uh, sound like their monitor tech and asked him 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.600 what, what are the guys usually like work, like 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.759 play during soundchecks. Most bands like usually 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.049 have a few go -to songs. I knew it wouldn't be 00:09:16.049 --> 00:09:19.129 like the hit, the biggest hit, leaving a thing 00:09:19.129 --> 00:09:20.350 called Love. I knew they wouldn't be doing that. 00:09:20.470 --> 00:09:22.870 But anyway, so he gave me some and like I've 00:09:22.870 --> 00:09:24.730 been listening to them. But anyway, I did a quick 00:09:24.730 --> 00:09:28.269 study for a half hour and then went up and like 00:09:28.269 --> 00:09:30.990 did my best Rufus impression to play along with 00:09:30.990 --> 00:09:33.570 all their stuff. And so that was like that was 00:09:33.570 --> 00:09:35.149 pretty surreal, just being on the stage with 00:09:35.149 --> 00:09:38.450 those guys and kind of surprising them because 00:09:38.450 --> 00:09:40.590 I actually tried to learn their songs. I mean, 00:09:40.590 --> 00:09:43.679 as best I could in a half hour. But I definitely 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.179 like, you know, having their heads turned back, 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.379 they thought it was going to be just a total 00:09:47.379 --> 00:09:49.480 shit show. And then I actually knew the part. 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:53.399 So that was like a fun moment. That's cool. Yeah. 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:57.899 Being a member of Danko Jones, what are three 00:09:57.899 --> 00:10:01.879 non -negotiables that have to go into a Danko 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:09.259 Jones song? Three non -negotiables. Can't really. 00:10:10.620 --> 00:10:13.220 I don't know that it's ever been explicitly decided 00:10:13.220 --> 00:10:15.200 in the band, but I'm just going to shoot from 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:21.600 the hip here. It's got to rock. There's like 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.580 three ballads or slow songs in the Danko catalog 00:10:25.580 --> 00:10:32.440 over 12 albums. So any attempts to do that have 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:34.440 kind of, in hindsight, have been like, ah, maybe 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.700 we should just kept it rocking. So it's got to 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:44.639 rock. that's, I mean, there's gotta be at least 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.620 with every album, except for one, there's gotta 00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:49.940 be just three drums like snare bass drum and 00:10:49.940 --> 00:10:53.559 Tom and floor Tom. Uh, there was one album, a 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:57.559 different drummer, uh, from the album, uh, rock 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.059 and rolls back black and blue. And that, uh, 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.679 that had more drums than, but otherwise it's 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.919 the, the drum kit is, is decided at, you know, 00:11:05.940 --> 00:11:10.130 a cowbell and three drums and some cymbals. And 00:11:10.130 --> 00:11:12.789 three, you put me on the spot here, man. Three, 00:11:12.950 --> 00:11:15.789 it's probably got to reference the word rock 00:11:15.789 --> 00:11:19.149 somewhere. That's a dig on ourselves, but we 00:11:19.149 --> 00:11:21.629 sing about rock an awful lot because we like 00:11:21.629 --> 00:11:24.809 it. Yeah. I mean, I think that if you're a fan 00:11:24.809 --> 00:11:28.610 of the music, there are definitely certain spices 00:11:28.610 --> 00:11:32.450 that go along with the music that help you identify 00:11:32.450 --> 00:11:36.549 that it is Danko Jones. I mean, I think you make 00:11:36.549 --> 00:11:40.860 good points. To me, the songs have to have attitude. 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:43.259 They have to have a certain swagger to them as 00:11:43.259 --> 00:11:45.220 well, because there are some songs where you 00:11:45.220 --> 00:11:48.559 guys aren't playing straight up 4 -4 or stuff 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.419 like that, where there's just a certain something 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:56.340 to the songs that they still rock, but they're 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:59.860 not like your typical just 4 -4 to the floor 00:11:59.860 --> 00:12:03.279 with the song. So I think that there's a lot 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:04.899 of different ingredients that you guys throw 00:12:04.899 --> 00:12:08.850 in there outside of... the norm that maybe if 00:12:08.850 --> 00:12:13.909 you're only listening to, I don't know, just 00:12:13.909 --> 00:12:16.990 whatever the, the latest single is, there's, 00:12:16.990 --> 00:12:19.049 there's, there are deeper cuts and there are 00:12:19.049 --> 00:12:21.269 other, other flavors that you guys throw in there. 00:12:22.710 --> 00:12:26.029 Yeah, that's, that's fair. I think anything that 00:12:26.029 --> 00:12:28.129 we do, we got, you know, it's got to go through 00:12:28.129 --> 00:12:29.789 the filter of all three of us. Right. And we 00:12:29.789 --> 00:12:32.210 all have to, we all have to like what's what 00:12:32.210 --> 00:12:35.149 we're doing. And bands have a, you know, anytime 00:12:35.149 --> 00:12:37.100 they're writing. any band's writing something, 00:12:37.179 --> 00:12:40.179 I guess that's like, that's pretty across the 00:12:40.179 --> 00:12:41.740 board. Every band's going to love what they're 00:12:41.740 --> 00:12:43.960 doing at the time for sure. Like it's, but you're 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:47.720 always, yeah, no one can think it's lame. Everybody's 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.059 got to think it's, you know, it's, it's fun. 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:55.019 It's cool. And yeah, I guess like over the years, 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.539 we've definitely been like either complimented 00:12:58.539 --> 00:13:01.019 or criticized to have a bit of that thing. Like, 00:13:01.019 --> 00:13:05.399 like the ACDC. syndrome of like every song kind 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.919 of sounding the same but that's we don't shy 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.080 away from that i think so to say like what what 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.419 are the three ingredients i think it's without 00:13:13.419 --> 00:13:17.019 trying but we're just ends up kind of like it's 00:13:17.019 --> 00:13:19.740 got to have electric guitar like loud electric 00:13:19.740 --> 00:13:22.419 guitars loud electric bass and slamming drums 00:13:22.419 --> 00:13:24.820 that's kind of that's what that should that would 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:27.139 have been a slicker answer if i had a thought 00:13:27.139 --> 00:13:29.559 of that if we could roll back the tape but yeah 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:33.120 uh yeah i think we've we've probably said enough 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.019 about this but yeah it's uh it's us okay so that's 00:13:37.019 --> 00:13:39.399 cool because i mean you're more or less saying 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.039 that the three of you have to filter everything 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.799 and and you have to make sure that it is presentable 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.820 for the band i mean even though the band carries 00:13:50.820 --> 00:13:53.539 the danko jones name it's important that the 00:13:53.539 --> 00:13:55.620 three of you guys have input and make sure that 00:13:55.620 --> 00:13:58.500 it it's up to the standard for all three of you 00:13:58.500 --> 00:14:03.629 guys Yeah. Yeah, that's totally, if anybody's 00:14:03.629 --> 00:14:08.070 not feeling something, they voice it. And then 00:14:08.070 --> 00:14:11.409 we try to, you know, there's, there can be compromises 00:14:11.409 --> 00:14:13.529 as three people. So, you know, there's compromises 00:14:13.529 --> 00:14:16.610 being made, but in, you know, everybody's usually 00:14:16.610 --> 00:14:19.669 comes around to the same, same spot. Like if 00:14:19.669 --> 00:14:21.789 something's like, you know what, this just isn't 00:14:21.789 --> 00:14:24.370 working. And then, you know, all right, we'll 00:14:24.370 --> 00:14:26.330 go on to the other, you know, we come in with 00:14:26.330 --> 00:14:31.309 like 30 to 50 ideas. that end up being whittled 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:34.909 down over time or whatever. So yeah, some just 00:14:34.909 --> 00:14:38.389 get rejected outright. Some make it almost all 00:14:38.389 --> 00:14:40.370 the way to the album, get fully demoed and everything. 00:14:40.429 --> 00:14:42.710 And then, you know, just like, ah, nah, we're 00:14:42.710 --> 00:14:45.009 not going to put this one on the album. So yeah, 00:14:45.129 --> 00:14:48.409 there it's got, it's got to, it's got to be everybody 00:14:48.409 --> 00:14:52.029 on board with every song. Okay. So you've been 00:14:52.029 --> 00:14:57.509 with the band now for about a dozen years. What 00:14:57.509 --> 00:15:00.070 was the original approach for you to join the 00:15:00.070 --> 00:15:03.210 band? Did you find that about an audition, find 00:15:03.210 --> 00:15:05.610 out about an audition? Excuse me. Did they approach 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:10.850 you? How did that all come about? It was a mutual 00:15:10.850 --> 00:15:15.110 friend hooked us up. So a guy who actually plays 00:15:15.110 --> 00:15:18.090 in some bands in Toronto, Nick Sewell is his 00:15:18.090 --> 00:15:20.669 name. And he had like a wicked band called Biblical, 00:15:20.830 --> 00:15:25.169 the Illuminati too. Anyway, and he's also worked 00:15:25.169 --> 00:15:28.100 on one of our, a couple of our music videos, 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.059 like, uh, direct them, especially like lyric 00:15:30.059 --> 00:15:33.259 videos. He's, he's done the, some of the production 00:15:33.259 --> 00:15:36.960 on our videos, but anyway, Nick, uh, just messaged 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:38.940 me. So I was playing in this other Toronto band 00:15:38.940 --> 00:15:41.159 at the time called Flash Lightning, which was 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.620 like, uh, kind of a very heavy ZZ Top influence 00:15:44.620 --> 00:15:46.039 with a little bit of like Queens of the Stone 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.559 Age, a little bit, a different flavor, but a 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.679 very ZZ Top. And, uh, luckily though, like we, 00:15:53.129 --> 00:15:55.490 My first show with that band was videotaped because 00:15:55.490 --> 00:15:58.190 it was their CD release, their album release. 00:15:58.789 --> 00:16:01.210 And so Nick had seen me in that band because 00:16:01.210 --> 00:16:03.549 we'd shared the stage a couple times with our 00:16:03.549 --> 00:16:06.409 bands. And then so he showed, luckily, I say 00:16:06.409 --> 00:16:08.690 luckily that was videotaped because he sent that 00:16:08.690 --> 00:16:12.690 video to JC and Danko when he heard they were 00:16:12.690 --> 00:16:14.750 looking for a drummer. And that kind of got me 00:16:14.750 --> 00:16:17.710 the audition. And then so I got an audition with 00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:19.950 the guys. So Nick just wrote me out of the blue 00:16:19.950 --> 00:16:23.559 and asked me if I'd like to. joined an international 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.620 touring act, I think is what he said in the email. 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:29.480 And I said, yeah, sure. And so that was that. 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.940 Went on an audition with the guys. Originally, 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.480 I got two auditions with them. The first, like 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:37.799 I learned all the songs, played all the parts. 00:16:37.940 --> 00:16:39.559 And then at the end, I asked like, how'd I do? 00:16:39.700 --> 00:16:43.220 And Danko told me like, it was good, man. But 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:45.960 like he was, came out that he didn't know if 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.919 I was hitting hard enough. So I said, well, give 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.759 me another shot. So we had a second audition. 00:16:51.450 --> 00:16:53.750 And I blew the bottom skin out of the snare drum 00:16:53.750 --> 00:16:55.830 on the second. And I made sure to hold up the 00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:58.850 snare drum. I'm like, oops. How'd that happen? 00:16:59.009 --> 00:17:02.309 And then, so anyways, I got the gig. I went out 00:17:02.309 --> 00:17:06.250 and played a month through the States. We had 00:17:06.250 --> 00:17:08.029 this, playing this thing called the Uproar Tour. 00:17:08.430 --> 00:17:12.509 And it was like Alice in Chains, Coed in Cambria, 00:17:12.710 --> 00:17:16.369 Jane's Addiction, like kind of headlining all 00:17:16.369 --> 00:17:19.470 the. amphitheaters across the united states and 00:17:19.470 --> 00:17:21.430 we were playing like in the parking lot there's 00:17:21.430 --> 00:17:24.309 these two like blow up portable stages and so 00:17:24.309 --> 00:17:27.009 we're sharing the stage with like uh this group 00:17:27.009 --> 00:17:30.349 called walking papers which has uh barrett martin 00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:33.910 and duff mccagan okay uh playing in it and uh 00:17:33.910 --> 00:17:36.849 anyway so like the first so i go from like you 00:17:36.849 --> 00:17:41.099 know playing bars and stuff in toronto uh small 00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:43.279 clubs to like going up on the stage and like 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.460 i'm walking on the stage and duff mckagan's walking 00:17:45.460 --> 00:17:48.220 off the stage like what the hell is going on 00:17:48.220 --> 00:17:51.220 man so uh yeah that's kind of the story how i 00:17:51.220 --> 00:17:53.480 got in that was like my probation period and 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:55.299 then after that i was they're like yeah we like 00:17:55.299 --> 00:17:58.400 having you around so uh i i've been with them 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.539 ever since okay cool was there any type of initiation 00:18:01.539 --> 00:18:04.400 or anything you had to deal with initially the 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:09.599 new guy no no there's no like sports team initiation 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.359 or anything like that it was just i think that 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:16.019 they just wanted to know that uh like any any 00:18:16.019 --> 00:18:18.259 musician listening right now will know this is 00:18:18.259 --> 00:18:21.579 true like he it was mostly uh yeah can you play 00:18:21.579 --> 00:18:23.779 the part but can is the vibe right can you just 00:18:23.779 --> 00:18:26.700 hang and be normal and uh so that i think that 00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:30.000 was the that's the only initiation was just like 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:34.299 being on the bus and not being an idiot and i 00:18:34.299 --> 00:18:39.859 guess i I passed. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. You did 00:18:39.859 --> 00:18:44.160 some session work before working in the jazz 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.480 world a little. Yeah. How could you compare or 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.200 what comparisons do you have between jazz musicians 00:18:51.200 --> 00:19:01.259 and rock musicians? That's a good question, man. 00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:04.849 They're like. The kind of gigs I was playing 00:19:04.849 --> 00:19:07.210 were very different than the rock gigs I'm playing. 00:19:07.309 --> 00:19:12.769 Like partly what I, what took me out of playing 00:19:12.769 --> 00:19:16.730 jazz was I was playing all the time, but I was 00:19:16.730 --> 00:19:20.509 playing just the nature of the, of the gigs you're 00:19:20.509 --> 00:19:23.869 playing are like, you play a lot of like restaurant 00:19:23.869 --> 00:19:26.369 background music. Like even if you're really 00:19:26.369 --> 00:19:27.869 good, like not saying that I was really good, 00:19:27.910 --> 00:19:29.470 but I played with some people that were really 00:19:29.470 --> 00:19:32.289 good, like the best, you know, some of the best 00:19:32.289 --> 00:19:35.549 in Canada. And even these people with me would 00:19:35.549 --> 00:19:39.329 be playing like stages to people that aren't 00:19:39.329 --> 00:19:40.829 there just to see you. Like that's just most 00:19:40.829 --> 00:19:43.049 of the gigs that I had to do to survive were 00:19:43.049 --> 00:19:45.369 that. And then, you know, the occasional like 00:19:45.369 --> 00:19:48.789 play a jazz festival or something. Jazz musicians 00:19:48.789 --> 00:19:53.349 are, I mean, both rock and jazz musicians are 00:19:53.349 --> 00:19:55.329 kind of quirky to be honest, but jazz musicians 00:19:55.329 --> 00:20:00.970 are like a lot of the best have like, are just 00:20:00.970 --> 00:20:04.359 extremely. extremely hardworking and or autistic 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:06.380 -ish, you know, like they're just like, it's 00:20:06.380 --> 00:20:09.299 so, to get that good, you just have to be so 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:12.480 focused. And that's not everybody, like, but 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:15.779 some of them are just like, that's a huge blanket 00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:17.380 statement. Somebody's going to come rip my head 00:20:17.380 --> 00:20:20.720 off for saying that. But like, it's like a lot 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.400 of hours of practicing, a lot of hours. What 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:26.559 I've found in the rock world that, yes, like 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.079 some musicians are that hardworking, but a lot 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.940 of it. With the punk aesthetic, you don't have 00:20:33.940 --> 00:20:38.140 to spend eight hours a day playing the same power 00:20:38.140 --> 00:20:40.640 chord to try to get it just right. Some people 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.799 will, and that's how some bands will totally 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:46.359 change their sound. I'm not saying that rock 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:48.500 musicians don't practice. That's not what I'm 00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:54.079 saying. Metal musicians are kind of like the 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:56.940 jazz musicians of the rock world, I feel. They're 00:20:56.940 --> 00:21:00.890 also practicing. a lot and you know it's very 00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:05.589 technical so it's uh i don't know it's different 00:21:05.589 --> 00:21:10.029 i think like my experience uh some of the it 00:21:10.029 --> 00:21:12.670 was easy to be to get a little bit jaded about 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:16.009 playing music with with when i was only doing 00:21:16.009 --> 00:21:19.990 like dinner dinner gigs in the jazz world um 00:21:19.990 --> 00:21:22.369 and so i can only speak personally about that 00:21:22.369 --> 00:21:26.430 but the rock world is more extroverted and loud 00:21:26.430 --> 00:21:29.390 and uh just the nature of your shows are different. 00:21:29.470 --> 00:21:31.849 So the nature of the people that, you know, your, 00:21:31.910 --> 00:21:33.809 your environment changes you over time, I think 00:21:33.809 --> 00:21:37.529 too. So like, yeah, it's just a different, a 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:40.410 different kind of beast, but I don't know. Does 00:21:40.410 --> 00:21:41.829 that answer the question? I'm kind of just rambling. 00:21:42.230 --> 00:21:46.549 I bring it up because as a kid growing up, I 00:21:46.549 --> 00:21:50.930 was a drummer myself and my mailman was a jazz 00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:54.049 drummer. He was jazz and Prague. So if he'd ever 00:21:54.049 --> 00:21:56.490 hear me practicing, he'd always bring up how, 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.079 jazz and prog drummers are better than rock drummers 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.940 or metal drummers. And, and I always got like 00:22:02.940 --> 00:22:07.759 this air of kind of superiority where they felt 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.500 that, you know, they were better than rock drummers. 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:16.220 So. Right. Yeah. I can, I can see how that person 00:22:16.220 --> 00:22:19.480 would have that, have that thought. Like there, 00:22:19.619 --> 00:22:23.819 there's something to it. Like they, yes, jazz 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:25.920 and prog drummers are better at some things. 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.819 than than rock drummers rock drummers the one 00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:32.180 thing like you can get away with not being that 00:22:32.180 --> 00:22:35.319 great as a rock drummer but just because of the 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.960 the sound that you've stumbled into or the feel 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.740 that you just naturally have you can go a long 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:43.700 way in your career with kind of not that's like 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:47.900 your kind of natural looseness is what makes 00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:52.619 it cool right and whereas whereas jazz or prog 00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:55.839 it's pretty like you got to be pretty right right 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.599 on like the technique's got to be there and the 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:59.839 timing's got to be like there's no there's not 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:02.339 as much room for looseness so that's that is 00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:04.240 one thing that's that's different like you can 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.619 there's lots of great jazz drummers that like 00:23:06.619 --> 00:23:09.339 if you put them on a rock kit like it'd be interesting 00:23:09.339 --> 00:23:13.240 but it might not sound like rock yeah yeah you 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:16.640 know i totally get that the the ones that kind 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.720 of throw me off are like when you think about 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.220 a john bonham or bill ward who were trained as 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:25.759 jazz drummers And then you hear like a lot of 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:27.900 the intricacies in their playing and you're like, 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.380 okay, well that shuffle or that swing that they're 00:23:30.380 --> 00:23:33.359 bringing in is definitely a jazz influence, but 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.819 they're making it rock. They're more field players 00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:41.759 than maybe. And, and maybe this is going to come 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.640 off wrong, but I would say I enjoy them more 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.359 for their field than their technique. It isn't 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.000 like a full on, like jazz proficient technique, 00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:55.539 what they're doing. Yeah, I feel the same way. 00:23:55.859 --> 00:24:01.960 I love both those drummers. I would think that 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:05.099 their background is partly what informed their 00:24:05.099 --> 00:24:09.720 feel, right? You can hear John Bonham's feel. 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.380 It always feels like he's not playing the subdivisions, 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:15.099 but I can hear it. If I listen to it, it's like 00:24:15.099 --> 00:24:18.440 he's playing in this groove with himself almost 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:20.339 the whole time. Of course, he's playing with 00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:23.640 like... phenomenal like everybody in Led Zeppelin's 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.519 amazing right so like hard to sound bad but like 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:31.579 yeah he's obviously amazing yeah yeah um yeah 00:24:31.579 --> 00:24:35.640 okay so I kind of alluded to it before your first 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:41.539 album was Fire Music now with uh Leo Rising has 00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:44.539 the approach changed at all with how you guys 00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:48.019 write music or go into the studio you mentioned 00:24:48.019 --> 00:24:50.279 before how you guys just start throwing music 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:54.400 together i mean is there any type of like purpose 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.859 thought beforehand oh well we need to do this 00:24:56.859 --> 00:24:59.819 on this album or i'd like to try that or is it 00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:03.440 we just start to write and then whatever we feel 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.839 is the best out of what we put together is what 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:11.759 you guys go with yeah um in the end it's that 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.380 it's like whatever came out the best right um 00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:17.329 but there that's like the main criteria but i 00:25:17.329 --> 00:25:19.690 think also there's a bit of like oh it'd be nice 00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:22.990 to have like if all the songs like i said before 00:25:22.990 --> 00:25:26.210 like songs sounding the same like they can't 00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:28.009 sound too much the same it's got to be like some 00:25:28.009 --> 00:25:30.710 variety of like yeah they all sound like danko 00:25:30.710 --> 00:25:33.009 but there's like different feels or different 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:36.250 tempos or something um so like we'll make sure 00:25:36.250 --> 00:25:39.210 that there's at least a little bit of uh variety 00:25:39.210 --> 00:25:43.190 on on the record but it has changed because when 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:46.099 i When I first joined the band, we all lived 00:25:46.099 --> 00:25:49.759 in Toronto. Now, Danko still lives in Toronto. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.480 I live in Prince Edward Island, which is on the 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.039 east coast of Canada. JC lives in Finland. So 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.140 that changes the dynamic of the writing. So we'll 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:01.359 still get together once or twice a year. We'll 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:06.440 tack on some days or a week, depending, in between 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.650 shows. We've done it a few times where you play 00:26:09.650 --> 00:26:11.490 one weekend and you don't play again until the 00:26:11.490 --> 00:26:13.250 next weekend, but we'll just stay in a city and 00:26:13.250 --> 00:26:18.890 rent a spot and write. But otherwise, it's kind 00:26:18.890 --> 00:26:22.829 of using the Internet for good. It's like Danko 00:26:22.829 --> 00:26:26.650 writing riffs, sending them to JC as a primary 00:26:26.650 --> 00:26:29.329 filter, and then JC coming up with some arrangements, 00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:33.250 sending them to me. I'll put drums down on them. 00:26:33.289 --> 00:26:36.710 So a lot of the ideas get made like that. And 00:26:36.710 --> 00:26:38.789 then they kind of go through the furnace when 00:26:38.789 --> 00:26:41.690 we get together and see if they hold up when 00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:45.369 we play them live or if anything changes to them 00:26:45.369 --> 00:26:47.029 there. Or then there's some songs that we still 00:26:47.029 --> 00:26:51.130 kind of write old school, like as together in 00:26:51.130 --> 00:26:53.930 the room spontaneously or coming in with a riff 00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:57.190 or whatever. But when we first started, it was 00:26:57.190 --> 00:27:00.990 all like we just get in the jam space and start 00:27:00.990 --> 00:27:02.730 like, OK, we're in writing mode now. So just 00:27:02.730 --> 00:27:05.759 coming in with like. five probably five different 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.119 ideas to try a day and then something spontaneous 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.319 or two spontaneous ideas a day and then you know 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.920 they're together for three or four hours and 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.940 then come back the next day try again so it has 00:27:16.940 --> 00:27:19.759 changed the like the technology's changed and 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.180 where we live has changed but the approach to 00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:25.960 the how like what needs to be on the record uh 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.079 not really i think it's all kind of um there 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.599 might be a bit of like I really liked that song 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:35.279 on the last record. I'd like to write something 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.700 again, like it's kind of like a big anthemic 00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:42.700 thing or something, but like, I think it's, yeah, 00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:46.579 it's not like we're like getting too technical, 00:27:46.579 --> 00:27:49.019 like writing out a spreadsheet and being like, 00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:51.059 need one of these, need one of these. But I think 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:53.740 it's just in the back of our minds. Yeah. I think 00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:57.519 there are plenty of bands doing that. Luckily, 00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:00.299 you guys aren't. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah. 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.220 You've got bands that got that one radio hit 00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:07.400 and they need to include that B or C version 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.680 of that song on each one of their albums. Yeah, 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:14.539 for sure. I mean, I get it. If it worked for 00:28:14.539 --> 00:28:17.140 you and people like it, you kind of want to give 00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:19.460 the people what they want. But at the same time, 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.819 if it's not coming from the right place, it's 00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:26.670 not going to land. Special sauce is hard to find 00:28:26.670 --> 00:28:29.509 the best of times. So, yeah. Well, could you 00:28:29.509 --> 00:28:32.109 imagine doing a show like that where every song 00:28:32.109 --> 00:28:34.650 is like the same tempo or they all more or less 00:28:34.650 --> 00:28:37.549 sound the same because you're trying to recapture 00:28:37.549 --> 00:28:41.190 whatever, you know, as you said, the special 00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:45.069 sauce that won that award a million years ago. 00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:50.769 Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's not, I agree. That 00:28:50.769 --> 00:28:54.269 would, that would be a terrible show or to play. 00:28:55.149 --> 00:28:58.349 Oh, what off of Leo rising surprised you after 00:28:58.349 --> 00:29:03.250 finally getting to hear the album? Uh, what surprised 00:29:03.250 --> 00:29:08.990 me? Uh, that's cool. Uh, there's a few songs 00:29:08.990 --> 00:29:12.809 that I are like, I don't have anything surprised 00:29:12.809 --> 00:29:15.950 me, but there's a few that I really like. I like, 00:29:15.990 --> 00:29:19.230 uh, I love it louder. I like, I knew I was going 00:29:19.230 --> 00:29:21.009 to like that song, but the more I hear it, the 00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:24.579 more I like it, um, which is coming out. i think 00:29:24.579 --> 00:29:26.680 it's well i mean the album's coming out november 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.000 21st so if this this podcast drops i think maybe 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.299 that day or around that day uh you can listen 00:29:32.299 --> 00:29:35.880 to it but um that's a little bit different for 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.259 us that's just the the feel of that song is a 00:29:38.259 --> 00:29:41.359 little bit different and i i really like it i 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.579 think it's still us it's still rock but it's 00:29:43.579 --> 00:29:48.440 it's more i don't know it's more of a I don't 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.200 know a story. It's not even telling a story. 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.599 I don't know, but you'll see what I mean when 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.779 you hear it. It's, it's kind of more like a storytelling 00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:57.940 song. I don't know. It's it's, I like it. And, 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:04.960 uh, so that one and, uh, yeah, I don't know. 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.480 Not, not too much surprised me. Cause we kind 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:09.039 of, we kind of know what we're going to do when 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.160 we get into the studio. It's just, but when I 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.299 get there, it's just about, uh, execution really 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:19.039 like just can you can i play the parts you know 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:20.859 they're pretty well set what i'm going to do 00:30:20.859 --> 00:30:23.000 and that's just about trying to play them and 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.279 then i always leave a bit of room for for the 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.160 fills to be a bit different too like that's the 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.099 only thing that i don't really have set in stone 00:30:29.099 --> 00:30:30.539 there's certain fills like yeah i'll definitely 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:33.779 do that there but uh i'll kind of differ every 00:30:33.779 --> 00:30:36.779 take i'll do probably a different fill in a section 00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:39.279 or something to try to beat the last one and 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.019 just see if i can come up with something cooler 00:30:41.019 --> 00:30:44.799 um I don't know if you were like that as a drummer 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.880 too, but sometimes I just feel like I'm literally 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.980 just throwing something at the wall. Like, see 00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:53.539 if this lands. And sometimes you're happy with 00:30:53.539 --> 00:30:56.140 what comes out. I guess maybe thinking about 00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:59.079 it for another second, having Marty Friedman 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.839 play on it, that was a surprise because that 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.200 was one thing that didn't, we didn't know what 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:06.480 he was going to play. We just knew it was going 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.000 to be awesome. And so that was cool. Like when 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.519 we got that. that email because at that point 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.400 i'd already laid down my stuff i'd come back 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.220 to pei and uh then the email came like here's 00:31:18.220 --> 00:31:19.819 what here's what it sounds like with marty's 00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:23.480 parts and uh so that was like really really really 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.039 lifted the song and uh so that was cool yeah 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:29.299 that was a surprise because i didn't know what 00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:31.519 he was going to do you guys knew beforehand that 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:33.720 he was going to be involved in the album or that's 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.500 something that just came up while you guys were 00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:39.609 i think Yeah, I can't remember. I think it might 00:31:39.609 --> 00:31:41.910 have been like around the time we were recording 00:31:41.910 --> 00:31:45.769 that we just like thought like, hey, man, let's 00:31:45.769 --> 00:31:48.849 let's ask Marty if he'd be into it. And so, yeah, 00:31:48.930 --> 00:31:50.990 I wasn't like premeditated for a long time. I 00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:54.390 think it just like. It was probably in a discussion 00:31:54.390 --> 00:31:57.009 that like I don't remember exactly how it happened, 00:31:57.069 --> 00:32:00.029 but I think it was like this would sound awesome 00:32:00.029 --> 00:32:03.069 with like really ripping guitar. Who could we 00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:05.049 ask? And then, oh, do you think Marty would want 00:32:05.049 --> 00:32:07.500 to? I don't know. Let's ask him. And then he 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:10.180 was into it. So that was like, yeah, it's pretty 00:32:10.180 --> 00:32:12.460 awesome. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. When I saw 00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:14.200 that, I'm like, wow, they got Marty Friedman 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.819 to play on this. And then as I was thinking about 00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:19.980 it, you know, as we started the interview, he's 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.720 a huge fan of, of a lot of the same bands that 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:27.099 kind of fueled what you guys do. So it makes 00:32:27.099 --> 00:32:32.740 sense. Yeah. Yep. It's, I mean, yeah, I mean, 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.420 he's such a legend and. Yeah. It's, it's just 00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:39.079 cool that it does, it does fit, but it's, it's 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.920 just, we're very happy and, you know, feel lucky 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.859 that he'd, he'd want to do it. So that's very 00:32:44.859 --> 00:32:48.599 cool. So you mentioned before how the band is 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.940 known for the drummers being minimalist when 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:55.440 it comes to their drum sets. There's even up 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.319 on Wikipedia, there's a picture of you with just 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:03.720 the floor tom, bass drum, snare, hi -hat, ride. 00:33:04.430 --> 00:33:07.049 And I don't remember if it's one or two cymbals. 00:33:08.190 --> 00:33:13.009 So my question is, what's the smallest drum set 00:33:13.009 --> 00:33:15.650 you've played on? And what's the biggest you've 00:33:15.650 --> 00:33:24.509 played on? The smallest? Well, I mean, this one's 00:33:24.509 --> 00:33:29.609 pretty small. I guess I've played this. I mean, 00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:34.029 I've played on this kit for years. It hasn't 00:33:34.029 --> 00:33:36.630 got much smaller than this. Like back when I 00:33:36.630 --> 00:33:38.349 was doing all those jazz gigs, there'd be time 00:33:38.349 --> 00:33:40.170 when I just have a bass drum and a snare drum 00:33:40.170 --> 00:33:42.670 and a ride simple and a hi -hat. That'd be pretty, 00:33:42.809 --> 00:33:46.130 you know, that'd be usual. Or maybe even not 00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:49.410 a ride. Maybe just like, you know, there's like, 00:33:49.509 --> 00:33:52.930 over the years you play so many different kinds 00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:56.309 of shows and stuff, or I have. And so, you know, 00:33:56.309 --> 00:33:58.089 there's sometimes like, you're playing on one 00:33:58.089 --> 00:34:00.069 of those like, I think it's called a cajon, like 00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:03.829 the box thing. Like I'd done that or like, like 00:34:03.829 --> 00:34:06.069 I definitely prefer the drum set to that. Like 00:34:06.069 --> 00:34:09.309 I, for one, it kills my hands. And two, like, 00:34:09.349 --> 00:34:12.889 I just feel weird. I'm bent over while the guys 00:34:12.889 --> 00:34:15.050 are rocking. But we've had to do that for like 00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:16.570 a couple of like acoustic, you know, you're like 00:34:16.570 --> 00:34:19.869 playing a radio thing or something and it's acoustic. 00:34:19.949 --> 00:34:22.230 And so that's what I've ended up with. That or 00:34:22.230 --> 00:34:25.690 like just a snare drum on, like there was this 00:34:25.690 --> 00:34:29.239 bootlegger that. Used to be an operation here 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.679 in PEI and everybody on Tuesday nights, they'd 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.480 all go to this, to this place. It's in the small 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.940 fishing village and like musicians from all over 00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:39.199 the island would go. And so I started going like 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.059 as a 18 year old and I'd just bring a snare drum 00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:43.800 and pair of brushes. And you're kind of playing 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.079 like everything from like kind of the Celtic 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.380 tunes, which is like big here and just like, 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:52.679 and then covers or whatever. But so I guess that's 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.199 probably the smallest. thing i've ever played 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.699 on but that's not like a professional gig um 00:34:57.699 --> 00:35:06.139 but the biggest uh i don't know i mean i i bought 00:35:06.139 --> 00:35:08.780 my well my dad bought it for me this like it's 00:35:08.780 --> 00:35:12.400 got like five or six toms and uh it doesn't have 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.000 two bass drums but like the double kick and a 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.880 bunch of cymbals and uh it's this yamaha um power 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.360 v So I think it was like when like they were 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.460 made in England for a couple of years. So it's 00:35:25.460 --> 00:35:28.119 like, it's not like the nicest Yamaha kit, but 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.440 anyway, I set it up and got all new heads for 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.619 it. And I was like messing around on that for 00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:36.199 a while, which is like, yeah, I mean, super fun. 00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:38.159 I almost don't know what to do with it. Cause 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.739 I've played like, even before Danko, I was like, 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:42.860 I was just, I just had one more Tom. I was like, 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.519 kind of like that. John, like John Bonham was, 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.099 you know, I know sometimes you'd use the two 00:35:48.099 --> 00:35:51.260 Toms, but like, I was just like, rack and floor 00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:54.619 tom and that was it like John Ponem was my guy 00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:57.380 so I was just or like even Elvin Jones or whatever 00:35:57.380 --> 00:36:00.219 like all the coming from the jazz world like 00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:03.579 two cymbals and two toms and a snare so yeah 00:36:03.579 --> 00:36:05.420 when I get on a big kit I honestly don't know 00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:08.840 what to do with it it's like playing like just 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.579 pretending I'm in Iron Maiden for a minute but 00:36:12.579 --> 00:36:17.920 yeah I don't know yeah so it's yeah I haven't 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.280 played that many big kits to be honest okay and 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.699 what can you tell us about uh performershealth 00:36:24.699 --> 00:36:30.619 .com yeah uh well performers health is something 00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:35.500 i started um to born out of my own uh health 00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:37.719 journey and just trying to stay fit on the road 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.519 and uh you know happy happy and healthy both 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.159 being important things as a musician because 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.079 there's a lot of downtime and a lot of just different 00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:50.269 kind of uh stresses and whatever than than you 00:36:50.269 --> 00:36:53.389 know, other jobs, just the nature of the business. 00:36:54.349 --> 00:37:00.110 So I was born out of that. It's fitness and wellness 00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:03.789 programming for primarily for musicians and anybody, 00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:06.889 any artist really that kind of has like a, I 00:37:06.889 --> 00:37:08.409 don't want to say an oddball job, but not, not 00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:13.190 your regular nine to five. And yeah, I've been 00:37:13.190 --> 00:37:17.010 working mostly with one -on -one clients so I 00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:21.039 can set up anything from like nutrition protocols 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.059 or like, you know, I'm not like diagnosing your, 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.480 your diabetes or something like that, but like, 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.320 I can help you eat, find a way to eat healthier 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.639 in your specific, specific circumstances. Like 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.920 if you're on the road or your home or whatever, 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.260 just kind of gently guide you into healthier 00:37:36.260 --> 00:37:40.460 eating or developing fitness plans or working 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:43.400 with you to improve your mindset too, about your 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.320 work and being on stage and stuff like that. 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.010 So yeah, it just, it's a one man operation at 00:37:49.010 --> 00:37:51.969 this point. And, uh, it's just, it's kind of 00:37:51.969 --> 00:37:56.110 like my personal passion project. Um, I really 00:37:56.110 --> 00:37:58.690 started getting serious about it during the pandemic 00:37:58.690 --> 00:38:01.650 when I had, couldn't do anything and was stuck 00:38:01.650 --> 00:38:04.329 at home. And, uh, so I'd been going to the gym, 00:38:04.409 --> 00:38:07.710 uh, for a year, like I've kind of always gone 00:38:07.710 --> 00:38:11.070 to the gym and was a runner and, and stuff like 00:38:11.070 --> 00:38:13.190 that. So I just kind of formalized my education 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:16.769 and, uh, decided to put my, what do you call 00:38:16.769 --> 00:38:18.590 it? Like hang, Not hang up your shingle, put 00:38:18.590 --> 00:38:20.449 your shingle, I don't know. Hanging up your shingles 00:38:20.449 --> 00:38:22.369 when you're done, right? I don't know, whatever. 00:38:23.190 --> 00:38:25.110 Anyway, whatever. The opposite of that, put my 00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:28.969 shingle out. And yeah, so it's going all right. 00:38:29.050 --> 00:38:32.250 I had a little, an app at one point called Fit 00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:35.130 Drummers, which was like just kind of what it 00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:38.969 sounds like, fitness for drummers specifically. 00:38:39.150 --> 00:38:42.389 And then I just kind of got busy and took it 00:38:42.389 --> 00:38:44.730 down because I wasn't paying much attention to 00:38:44.730 --> 00:38:47.130 it. But I've seen some other people. are kind 00:38:47.130 --> 00:38:50.010 of entering that world too now uh like fitness 00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:51.329 for drummers and stuff like that so it's cool 00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:54.730 to see but uh yeah i hope to pick it back up 00:38:54.730 --> 00:38:57.150 more um but if anybody's interested just go and 00:38:57.150 --> 00:39:00.849 drop me a line if if uh if you're thinking about 00:39:00.849 --> 00:39:02.389 improving your health in any way and i'll see 00:39:02.389 --> 00:39:05.769 if i can guide you personally or guide you in 00:39:05.769 --> 00:39:08.210 the right direction cool yeah i wanted to bring 00:39:08.210 --> 00:39:11.329 it up because i'm somebody who uh in the last 00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:16.239 Four years kind of turned my health around due 00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.579 to working on mindfulness, working on my diet, 00:39:19.699 --> 00:39:27.139 getting exercise in. I went from being 270 to 00:39:27.139 --> 00:39:32.920 somewhere around 190, which I am right now. Wicked. 00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:38.440 So definitely it's, you know, as you know, something 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.000 that you have to continuously work on. Uh, yeah. 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.719 And so when I saw that, when I was preparing 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.860 for the interview, I was like, I, I got to ask 00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:48.599 him because, you know, there's a lot of things 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.280 that I think crossover and I wanted to make sure 00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.460 to be able to, um, to give you a shout out about 00:39:55.460 --> 00:39:58.059 that and, and, you know, platform to talk about 00:39:58.059 --> 00:40:02.199 it. Thanks, man. Well, congrats to you on that. 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.320 That's huge. It takes a huge amount of work and, 00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:08.320 uh, and, uh, and just a decision too. That's 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.480 cool that you. got to that point where i was 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.619 like yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna take care of this 00:40:12.619 --> 00:40:15.500 and and yeah as you know like it sometimes it's 00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:17.760 like getting the snowball sometimes it's hard 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.119 starting it and getting it up the hill but then 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.260 you know you do get some momentum with it and 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.159 you start to feel like you miss it if you don't 00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.920 get your your walk in or your workout or your 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.099 meditation in or whatever um but yeah thanks 00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:34.420 for giving me the opportunity i mean anybody 00:40:34.420 --> 00:40:35.940 that's listening if that's something that's been 00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:39.210 on your mind uh I mean, you're a great example 00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:43.150 of, of, uh, what can happen and really just, 00:40:43.269 --> 00:40:45.849 you know, you can start small and, and it will, 00:40:45.949 --> 00:40:50.630 it will, uh, expand, you know, like, uh, exponentially. 00:40:50.909 --> 00:40:54.869 So yeah. Give me a call or just, I don't know, 00:40:54.909 --> 00:40:57.789 give you a call or just, you know, just, just, 00:40:57.789 --> 00:41:00.510 uh, there's lots of resources out there. So, 00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:02.070 uh, but I think it's, it's super important, especially 00:41:02.070 --> 00:41:04.710 in the music industry. Uh, cause you know, it's 00:41:04.710 --> 00:41:08.000 like for a long time. And even to this day, like 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.099 there's the, you know, just when people think 00:41:12.099 --> 00:41:14.940 of musicians, what they think of, it's like getting 00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:17.960 loaded and busting up hotel rooms and stuff. 00:41:18.019 --> 00:41:20.119 And that's like a cool story. Those are cool 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.000 stories. And they're like, it's fun, like romantic 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.920 ideas of like what it is to be a rock star and 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.739 whatever. But that shit catches up with you. 00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:33.039 And, you know, it doesn't like, you don't want 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.280 to be just. feeling crappy all the time like 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.179 you know you want to feel good and uh yeah so 00:41:39.179 --> 00:41:42.139 anyway rant over but uh thanks for thanks for 00:41:42.139 --> 00:41:44.840 asking me man yeah no problem and since you brought 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:51.199 up the pandemic um i got to see the there was 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.000 a live stream that you guys did um right when 00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.880 the pandemic happened and i'm in europe so i 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:03.139 was up at like one or two in the morning i forget 00:42:03.139 --> 00:42:06.239 what it was and watched that whole thing live 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:11.179 and it was just such a kind of a surreal thing 00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:13.539 because you guys did the question and answer 00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:16.599 afterwards as well and and you could tell that 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.780 the mood was just kind of you guys were kind 00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.019 of on edge you know there was so much uncertainty 00:42:23.019 --> 00:42:26.579 with what was going on so that was really like 00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:29.380 coming off like the the performance was great 00:42:29.949 --> 00:42:32.710 But afterwards, it just, there was something 00:42:32.710 --> 00:42:38.309 weird about the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. I mean, 00:42:38.329 --> 00:42:43.170 what are your memories of that? Yeah, now that 00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:44.309 you mention it, I haven't thought about that 00:42:44.309 --> 00:42:48.130 in a long time. But yeah, like, frig, man. Like, 00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:52.909 that time, it was like a black hole of time, 00:42:53.090 --> 00:42:55.170 right? Like, I feel like in some ways, like, 00:42:55.230 --> 00:42:56.769 I'm starting to come around to, like, remembering 00:42:56.769 --> 00:43:00.519 it's like. 2025. And, you know, but like, like 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.980 even last year, it felt like, I don't know about 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:05.719 you, but like, it felt like it was 2020 a minute 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.639 ago. And then obviously, but like, no, wait, 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.599 it's four years later. Like it, like there was 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.960 just a gap in, in time, but yeah, everybody that, 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:15.460 that was just a talking about the other day. 00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:18.079 And it's just, that was just a shitty time, man. 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:19.840 Like that's the understatement of the year, but 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.679 you know, aside from everybody that. you know, 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:25.980 lost their life from it or got like permanent 00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:28.480 lung damage or whatever. Like just to, it just 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.519 upended everybody's life in a shitty way. And 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.320 it was just people, I felt like people coped 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.699 as best they could. Like, you know, I don't know 00:43:37.699 --> 00:43:40.699 if like some people maybe, I don't know, like 00:43:40.699 --> 00:43:43.739 could argue that they thrived or made certain 00:43:43.739 --> 00:43:46.900 like positive life choices that were for them. 00:43:47.019 --> 00:43:50.239 Like I moved cities during the pandemic. that 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.480 was one of the big life moves i made and i think 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.679 a lot of people made big life moves because it 00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.480 just like totally screwed up the rhythm of life 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.219 like anything you had going on not everybody 00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:03.860 but like musicians for sure um and so yeah i 00:44:03.860 --> 00:44:06.420 think if you yeah referencing that those questions 00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:09.860 and answers like you got to see like everyone 00:44:09.860 --> 00:44:11.579 was curious like what are you guys doing because 00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:14.239 everybody was like what what is everybody doing 00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.179 and like yeah we had like a variety of responses 00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:21.719 uh you know from like I think JC started running 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.260 during the, during the pandemic and like, but 00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:26.960 it wasn't like that, you know, it wasn't like 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.519 healthy habits for everybody. Some people just 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.980 got like, went dark. And, and, uh, so I dunno, 00:44:32.139 --> 00:44:37.519 my, my memories are like, um, kind of this, like 00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:41.260 a little, not like super frightened at the beginning, 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:42.639 but you just thought it was going to end right 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.139 quick. And then, you know, you're kind of like 00:44:44.139 --> 00:44:46.099 on getting on zoom calls with all your friends 00:44:46.099 --> 00:44:47.900 and you're hanging out and you're buying, making 00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:50.590 food at home. probably gained a quick 10 pounds 00:44:50.590 --> 00:44:52.250 just cause you're like not moving and you're 00:44:52.250 --> 00:44:55.889 like drinking or like just eating crap. And, 00:44:55.949 --> 00:44:59.309 um, and then it just kind of, those stops and 00:44:59.309 --> 00:45:03.250 starts were just like, I mean, you gotta, you 00:45:03.250 --> 00:45:04.889 gotta move, you gotta have purpose to your day. 00:45:04.949 --> 00:45:07.530 And that, that like just took that out, uh, of 00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:10.190 me for sure. And it was, I filled the gap with 00:45:10.190 --> 00:45:12.170 like the performer's health studying and just 00:45:12.170 --> 00:45:13.570 like getting into other things. It was like, 00:45:13.570 --> 00:45:16.369 I gotta do, gotta have a goal, something I gotta 00:45:16.369 --> 00:45:22.170 do. But, uh, Yeah, it wasn't good, man. I don't 00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:26.369 know. Yeah, it was a shit time. There was nothing 00:45:26.369 --> 00:45:29.070 cool about the pandemic. Some cool things came 00:45:29.070 --> 00:45:33.929 out of it, but it wasn't good. Okay. Where should 00:45:33.929 --> 00:45:39.309 people go to keep up with you and the band? Yeah, 00:45:39.309 --> 00:45:44.269 so you can go dancojones .com. is the best place 00:45:44.269 --> 00:45:49.309 to get information on shows and music. You can 00:45:49.309 --> 00:45:52.690 find us on all the streaming platforms, Apple 00:45:52.690 --> 00:45:57.329 Music and Spotify, YouTube Music, and we have 00:45:57.329 --> 00:46:01.349 videos on YouTube. Instagram, I think it's Danko 00:46:01.349 --> 00:46:04.170 underscore Jones. It'll be really obvious which 00:46:04.170 --> 00:46:08.469 one is him. And then if there's any fakes, it'll 00:46:08.469 --> 00:46:09.789 be pretty obvious because it'll be the one with 00:46:09.789 --> 00:46:15.799 the most followers. I'm Rich Knox Drums. And, 00:46:15.799 --> 00:46:20.179 yeah, that's, I think it's Calibre's John, I 00:46:20.179 --> 00:46:24.079 think is what it is, or Calibre's Jay is JC's 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.679 Instagram. So, yeah, we're on Instagram all the 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.780 time. That's kind of our, I think everybody's, 00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:34.239 you know, we don't do all the, like, everything, 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.579 like TikTok and everything, but we're just, we've 00:46:36.579 --> 00:46:39.300 chosen that one, and that's where you can reach 00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:42.480 out to us or just check out what we're doing. 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.760 Okay. And then, of course, performershealth .com. 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.960 Sure, since you brought it up. If anybody's interested 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:53.639 in the health stuff, hit me up. Okay, cool. And 00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.440 where should people go if they want to buy Leo 00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.980 Rising? Is there a specific site that they can 00:46:59.980 --> 00:47:03.199 go to or a specific store which guarantees that 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:06.219 the most amount of money gets back into the pockets 00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.380 of the members of the band? I think the best. 00:47:11.050 --> 00:47:14.110 place to get a Leo rising album is probably at 00:47:14.110 --> 00:47:18.409 a show, but if you can't get to a show, um, then 00:47:18.409 --> 00:47:23.070 just go to the Danko Jones, uh, website and order 00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:25.050 from there. And that, that would be the best 00:47:25.050 --> 00:47:29.590 way, uh, best way to, to get one, um, failing 00:47:29.590 --> 00:47:32.269 that, go to a, go to a local record store, got 00:47:32.269 --> 00:47:35.750 to support our local record stores too. Um, but 00:47:35.750 --> 00:47:37.710 yeah, the, the show is the, if you can come to 00:47:37.710 --> 00:47:40.760 our show, that that'd be the. The bee's knees. 00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:44.739 Awesome. Yeah. Rich, I want to thank you for 00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:48.800 your time. Been a great deal of fun talking to 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:55.699 you. You too. Yeah. The door is always open for 00:47:55.699 --> 00:47:59.480 you to come back or anyone from the band. I mentioned 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.559 to the PR person, I've had Danko scheduled three 00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.579 times and I've never spoken to him. There's always 00:48:08.579 --> 00:48:15.699 been something either tech malfunction. Someone's 00:48:15.699 --> 00:48:18.980 forgotten an interview or there's always been 00:48:18.980 --> 00:48:21.699 something. So we've never been able to, to make 00:48:21.699 --> 00:48:25.079 it work. So when I saw that the album was being 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.179 promoted, I said, is there any way to finally, 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.000 you know, I'm like, this is like my white whale 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.980 here. You know, this is Moby Dick for me. Can 00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:36.579 I finally get. I said, well, he doesn't do many 00:48:36.579 --> 00:48:40.000 podcasts. So I'm like, all right, well, I'll 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.380 speak to anyone from the band. Oh, cool, man. 00:48:43.460 --> 00:48:46.400 Well, thanks for having me. And I'm glad somebody 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.559 connected. We finally got connected to one of 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:51.960 us anyway. Yeah, there you go. It's been a pleasure, 00:48:52.179 --> 00:48:53.760 man. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you for 00:48:53.760 --> 00:49:08.550 your time, sir. You can subscribe to the show 00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:11.409 on all your favorite podcast platforms like Apple 00:49:11.409 --> 00:49:14.949 Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Amazon and 00:49:14.949 --> 00:49:18.409 more. Go to signalsfrommars .com for more information. 00:49:18.630 --> 00:49:19.849 This concludes our show.