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Welcome everyone to episode 427 of Signals from

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Mars. I'm your host, Victor. And this episode

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is dedicated to the late, great Ace Frehley.

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A day we knew that would be coming. I don't think

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any of us thought it would happen so quickly.

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Our remembrance of Ace next. I'm ready. Quick

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buy me a coffee, so on and so forth. What a 2025.

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We've lost so many people that have helped shape

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the soundtrack of our lives this year. So many

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people that have accompanied us throughout the

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years. Through good times, through bad times.

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The song Hard Times has always been one of my

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favorite by Kiss. The hard times are dead and

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gone, but the hard times have made me strong.

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And the hard times have made me see that the

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hard times ain't where I want to be. Those lyrics

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have traveled with me since what, 1980? Somewhere

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around there. 40 some odd years, almost 50 years.

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All I can say is thank you, Ace. Thank you for

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helping me throughout the years with your music,

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with your lyrics, the emotional connection that

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I've felt since I was four years old. We're going

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to get into all of that. Thank you, Ace. Let's

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celebrate Ace Fraley now. Welcome one and all

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to the latest edition of Signal Mars. I'm your

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host, Victor. Joining us are Mr. Yargmetal, Dr.

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Poison, Brad Dahl. And hopping on as the show

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is starting, Mr. Ed Ferguson. How are you guys?

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Doing good. How are you? There we go. Well, that's

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kind of a lie. pretty sad about that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Um, we've got Edgar Winterson in the chat as

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well. And, uh, today's episode is remembering

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Ace Fraley. Um, someone that has influenced,

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um, all of us. Hey, we've got Tony Espin as well.

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Chat. Yeah. My Creatures of the Night t -shirt

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on, and yes, I know that Ace did not play on

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Creatures, but I do think it is still an iconic

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cover, and it just dawned on me today a few things.

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Got that up there. Yeah, right behind you there.

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One thing is that half of that lineup is gone.

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Eric Carr and Ace. And that's actually the only

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cover. Or no, I guess Killers. Killers has Ace

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and Eric together in makeup. But Creatures and

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Killers are the only two places where Eric and

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Ace appear together on an official album cover.

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Yeah, because the band's not on The Elder, are

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they? Nope. They're not on The Elder. Um, they

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were still using Peter Chris's image on unmasked,

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even though Eric did that tour. So, uh, yeah,

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rough day. Um, I found out it was, it was weird.

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I was going down various YouTube rabbit holes

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last night and I just didn't want to go to sleep

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for whatever reason. I kept thinking. You need

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to go to sleep by this time. You need X amount

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of hours. I passed up on an interview yesterday

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because they wanted me to do the interview at

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midnight. And I said, no, I got to get to bed

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like an hour before that. I'm sitting on the

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couch well past midnight. And I get into bed.

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And my usual, I'm looking at Instagram. And I'm

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looking at Mark Striegel stories and I see an

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image of Ace Rolling Stone and it says Ace Fraley,

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1940, whatever. 2025, 2025. I'm like, wait, what?

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And so I instantly go to Google and it says right

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away that. that he had passed away. And it said,

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you know, that he had fallen in his studio a

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few weeks ago, which led to a brain bleed. And

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from what I learned this morning, his family

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decided to take him off of life support because

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they had said the odds of him surviving were

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really bad. So the family, instead of kind of

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drawing it out, decided to, um, just take this

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step. Um, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes. I

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hope that's not a decision that I ever have to

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make with anyone, you know, that can't be easy.

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And, you know, I, I fell asleep, got up today.

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And instantly when I, you know, I was getting

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ready to, um, take my kids to school, I put on

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an ace really playlist that I'd made this summer,

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which was just a solo material. And, um, and

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I went through that quickly in this afternoon,

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I started listening to kiss, but it, I, I left

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my kids at school and it started to kind of set

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in. And it was weird because, you know, when

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Ozzy had passed away this summer, all the shows

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were prerecorded. And, you know, I was in upstate

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New York and similar to now, I was dealing with

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a bad back. But I was in a lot of pain and I

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was like, OK, I'll mourn Ozzy by just listening

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to Ozzy and Sabbath. That's what I did. I listened

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to nothing but Ozzy and Sabbath for like two

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weeks straight. And I think I felt the loss of

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Ozzy this morning more than I did when it happened

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because of that. You know, I started putting

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together how both Ozzy and Ace were now gone

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and how both of them have accompanied me through

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such a long time of my life. There's a reason

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why I have this image of Ace behind me. This

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is from The Inside of Alive 2. That book that

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comes with it, The Evolution of Kiss or whatever

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the name of it is. I saw that image when I was

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four years old. My brother had Alive 2 and he

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had Destroyer. These are the same copies. I inherited

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these from him. So these have been around in

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our household since 1977. And I realized it.

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I realized that, you know, Ace was the catalyst,

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the beginning of the soundtrack to my life. You

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know, that image got me into music and was like

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the A, was the beginning to point to this whole

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musical journey. And for better or worse, their

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music has been with me through good times, through

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bad times, through moments where I've needed

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to pick me up. And I've turned to music by Ace,

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by Ozzy, by others that have passed away this

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year, you know, others that have passed away

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these last few years. And I mean, I don't want

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to diminish the loss of like Dio or Lemmy. Or

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people like that, or even Eric Carr or, you know,

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even Freddie Mercury. Thinking back, and I remember

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when Steve Clark died, I was devastated. It was

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the first time that I could kind of interpret

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somebody who I looked up to passing away. And

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then shortly thereafter, Eric Carr and Freddie

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Mercury died the same day. And I remember I was

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in high school and I was a mess. You know, I

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remember I was bawling my eyes out before school.

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I'm like, my world is over. Member of KISS is

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gone. You know, Member of Queen is gone. You

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know, I wasn't used to any of that stuff. So,

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you know, being older, stuff hits you a different

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way. But it's still, you know, there was, I got

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pretty emotional this morning when all of this

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information just started. Coming in and I started

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taking everything in and processing it. Yeah.

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What year were you born, Victor? 73. All right.

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So when you were four, it was right at the height

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of their popularity. Yep. See, that was the perfect

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time for you to discover them. And that's the

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same time that I discovered them, too. I was

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just more like seven or eight. Okay. Yeah. And

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the same for me. That is what awakened me to

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rock music the most, I think. I wasn't really

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paying attention to music. I was in my own world

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with my imagination as a kid. But when I heard

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Kiss, which was Kiss Alive 2 for the first time,

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yeah, that woke me up and started my musical

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journey. Yeah, I remember, I mean... I remember

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hearing alive to remember hearing destroyer.

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The first song that really, that I mean that

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I can pinpoint and say, okay, this is, they're

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speaking to me. This is, this is what I love.

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This was flame youth on destroyer flaming youth,

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you know, uh, flaming youth. You set the world

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on fire. I was like, that's me. That's. I want

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to set the world on fire. You know, I want to

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do something. I want to make a difference. I

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want to, I want to stand out somehow. Um, and,

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and I remember we would listen to a live two

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and destroyer back to back all the time to the

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point where I'm sure I was annoying the hell

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out of my brother. Yeah. Um, and, um, you know,

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he was moving on from kiss shortly thereafter,

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you know, because he was getting into, uh, and,

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and at the same time as a by -product, you know,

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uh, Pink Floyd and ACDC and Led Zeppelin and,

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uh, stuff like that. So, um, yeah, but for me,

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I mean, it was kiss up until quiet rides, metal

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health came out, you know, that was the first

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thing that, Kind of made me really interpret

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something else like Kiss. And you know, with

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Kiss back then, they weren't just a rock band,

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but they were also tying themselves into everything

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else that we like. Right. Like I said before,

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Kiss was like watching your superheroes that

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you would watch in Sunday morning cartoons all

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of a sudden came to life and started a rock band.

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Yeah. you know, with their costumes and makeup.

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And also at that time, we were watching, you

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know, Star Trek and Buck Rogers. And what the

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same year I discovered Kiss was when Star Wars

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came out. Right. So Ace with his whole space

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getup, you know, tied in really well with all

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the stuff in our pop culture that we as kids

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were getting into. And, you know, and the advancement

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of computers and video games. I mean, it was

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all work together, I think, to help them and

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their success, especially appealing to us as

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kids. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. This is

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my friends that died and I got all this music.

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This was in his collection. This was when he

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was in elementary school. But when you're like,

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you know, like you were four, I'm seven, eight

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years old and you're seeing this. I mean, that's

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just cool as hell. Yeah, absolutely. You want

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to be this. You want to be like that, you know?

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It's like the closest thing to being able to

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be a superhero that you could be. Absolutely.

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Become like Ace Rayleigh. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%.

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Quick shout out to Jeremy, who's in the chat.

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He's feeling under the weather. That's why he's

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not joining us tonight. But he did send a statement

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over. He sent this message. I saw Ace at Download

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a number of years ago. It was a short set, but

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quite a few kiss numbers, of course. I enjoyed

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it. I guess we'll never know if there was going

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to be a one -off reform of the band, as speculation

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was hinting at. Shame. None of us live forever.

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Do it today. Yeah. I saw, well, actually I saw,

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um, actually, uh, uh, Brad doll had a, uh, interesting

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take last night when this was first coming over.

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And, um, your comment was life is precious. If

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there's someone you've been thinking about, don't

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put off reaching out to them. True. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's, uh, I don't know. I, Yeah, as you

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get older, you start losing people, and you'd

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hate to think that somebody you really care about,

00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:07.859
you didn't connect with them again before it

00:20:07.859 --> 00:20:15.099
was too late to do so. Right. Yeah. So, yeah,

00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.200
life is precious. You know what else is really

00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.660
hurting is that he was about to be honored with

00:20:21.660 --> 00:20:27.349
Kiss in December. Right. Oh. At the Kennedy Center

00:20:27.349 --> 00:20:30.549
Awards? Is that what it's called? Yeah, they

00:20:30.549 --> 00:20:33.150
released a statement actually regarding that,

00:20:33.230 --> 00:20:38.589
saying the same thing. It's a shame that he's

00:20:38.589 --> 00:20:40.869
not going to be around to see what they have

00:20:40.869 --> 00:20:44.269
lined up to celebrate his music and his life.

00:20:45.029 --> 00:20:47.529
Yeah, that's going to hurt when that celebration

00:20:47.529 --> 00:20:51.190
happens, not having him there. Yeah. Hopefully

00:20:51.190 --> 00:20:54.680
they'll have his costume or something. I don't

00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:58.220
know how the award show goes and what they would

00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:04.700
do to honor him during the event. Well, they're

00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:06.960
going to have people playing their music. That's

00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:15.660
the usual MO. He'll be honored by whoever's playing

00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:19.440
their music. It'll be interesting to see who

00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:25.250
they bring in to do that. So who do you think

00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:35.029
could do Ace Frehley solos the best? That thought

00:21:35.029 --> 00:21:37.130
just kind of hit me when you said that. Who would

00:21:37.130 --> 00:21:39.589
you pick to try to honor an Ace Frehley solo

00:21:39.589 --> 00:21:42.490
so that it sounds like Ace and not someone doing

00:21:42.490 --> 00:21:45.630
their own thing? Yeah, and that's the thing,

00:21:45.630 --> 00:21:47.670
because one of the rumors initially was that

00:21:47.670 --> 00:21:51.490
it was going to be Ted Nugent. Yeah, you would

00:21:51.490 --> 00:21:54.240
have to pick someone in that vein, yes. But would

00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:58.640
Ted play Ace's stuff, or would Ted just be Ted?

00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.599
Ted would be Ted. Yeah, he couldn't do that,

00:22:01.660 --> 00:22:04.359
so that would disqualify him. Maybe Jimmy Page.

00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:09.400
Can Jimmy still play? Those similar licks that

00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:12.900
Ace did in some of those tunes. Yeah, there are

00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:15.460
rumors that Jimmy can't even play anymore. Oh,

00:22:15.460 --> 00:22:17.519
really? I haven't heard that. That's too bad

00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.460
to hear. Well, it's something he could play still.

00:22:21.049 --> 00:22:23.589
I think he'd be a good pick. Oh, I mean, assuming

00:22:23.589 --> 00:22:29.670
he would play, I mean, Ace would be beside himself

00:22:29.670 --> 00:22:34.430
tonight. He sure would. Yeah, his hero is playing,

00:22:34.630 --> 00:22:36.269
you know, because you have to think about it.

00:22:36.309 --> 00:22:41.170
His biggest influences are Page, Beck, Hendricks,

00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:45.150
and Clapton. Mm -hmm. I mean, that's... You can

00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:49.700
tell, too, with the way he plays. So many guitar

00:22:49.700 --> 00:22:51.339
players just couldn't do it because they're too

00:22:51.339 --> 00:22:55.059
good. They're too technical and fast and precise.

00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.160
And you got to be able to dig into your soul

00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:05.160
to do what Ace is trying to bring through in

00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:09.180
a song. Yeah, because Ace is more of a field

00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:11.539
player than he is a technical player. That's

00:23:11.539 --> 00:23:13.380
why it would always crack me up when he would

00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:16.819
say, you know, had I practiced more. Yeah. You

00:23:16.819 --> 00:23:20.329
know. Had he practiced more, he wouldn't have

00:23:20.329 --> 00:23:24.970
had that same feel and intonation that he ultimately

00:23:24.970 --> 00:23:31.930
had. You know, I'm assuming that, I don't know,

00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:38.809
do they get a full band to honor KISS? Do they

00:23:38.809 --> 00:23:41.170
bring, you know, do they do something like VH1

00:23:41.170 --> 00:23:43.490
Rock Honors when they did God of Thunder? You

00:23:43.490 --> 00:23:46.130
know, it was Rob Zombie with Slash and Scott

00:23:46.130 --> 00:23:51.170
Ian and Gobi Clark and Tommy Lee on drums, you

00:23:51.170 --> 00:23:54.049
know. Well, who can they get? John 5. John 5

00:23:54.049 --> 00:23:58.910
has played on Ace Frehley's solo albums and he

00:23:58.910 --> 00:24:02.349
adores the band. And even though he's technically

00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:08.099
proficient with all of his idols, he... He plays

00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.440
stuff the way that his idols played the stuff.

00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.480
So there's a candidate for you. You know, this

00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.539
is not someone I would normally think of, but

00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:19.359
Slash would be good for that spot. Yeah, and

00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.339
I've seen, I have to see if I can find the pictures.

00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:29.759
I got to see Ace at the Viper Room in L .A. with

00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:34.160
200 people. And to the left of us was George

00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.200
Lopez, the comedian, and Slash at one of the

00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.480
booths. And Slash got up and played Colgin. Nice.

00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:45.119
Ace at the end of the night. That's cool. Yeah.

00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:51.579
So I'm trying to think who else was playing in

00:24:51.579 --> 00:24:54.000
Ace's band. Scott Coogan was playing in the band.

00:24:55.099 --> 00:24:58.579
Derek Hawkins, I think his name was, the other

00:24:58.579 --> 00:25:04.519
guitarist, guy with spiky blonde hair. Um, and

00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.160
I don't remember who the bass player was. It

00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.359
was before Anthony Esposito joined him on the

00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.240
anomaly tour, whoever the first iteration of

00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:16.200
that band that he took out for anomaly. Um, I

00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.460
don't remember who the, who the bass player was.

00:25:19.339 --> 00:25:24.220
Um, I did exchange messages today with Mark Striegel

00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.799
and I asked him for a quote that I could read.

00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:33.319
And, um, And he sent me the following. In a larger

00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.119
than life band of superheroes, Ace always seemed

00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.160
to be real, the most approachable. I met him

00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.880
numerous times through the years and had the

00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.680
honor and privilege of doing tons of interviews

00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.339
with him. You never know if he would be in a

00:25:49.339 --> 00:25:53.460
great mood or not so great mood, but you always

00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:57.460
knew he was real, not a faker. That came across

00:25:57.460 --> 00:26:00.720
in his playing and his songs. The absolute real

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.240
deal. Pure rock and roll to the core. And one

00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.079
of my favorite rock stars of all time. Yeah.

00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.940
Another thing, too, with the whole Talking Metal

00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:15.859
connection. One of the reasons why John Astronomy,

00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.059
John Ostrowski, wasn't more involved with Talking

00:26:19.059 --> 00:26:24.299
Metal was because he became a manager, personal

00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:31.240
assistant. And John is, I haven't spoken to John

00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.619
in years. You haven't heard from him in a long

00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:37.980
time either on social media even. Yeah, he posted

00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.279
something on Instagram today and you can tell

00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.960
he's hurting. John, my heart goes out to you.

00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:48.440
If you ever get a chance to see this, know that.

00:26:50.089 --> 00:26:52.710
You know, your fans, people that followed you

00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:55.269
on Talking Metal and people that know that all

00:26:55.269 --> 00:26:58.130
that you've done for Ace over the years love

00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:02.150
you and, you know, encourage you in this difficult

00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:05.089
time. You know, for better or for worse, Ace

00:27:05.089 --> 00:27:09.309
was a part of his life for a better part of 40

00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:14.369
years and more so these last, you know, 15 or

00:27:14.369 --> 00:27:17.049
so years where he's worked continuously with

00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:25.180
him. It has to be really difficult for him and

00:27:25.180 --> 00:27:31.339
obviously Ace's family and all of us fans, you

00:27:31.339 --> 00:27:35.940
know. We all knew that one of the original four

00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:41.619
members of KISS would eventually die. But I don't

00:27:41.619 --> 00:27:44.000
think anyone expected that Ace would have been

00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.109
the first, you know. No, I was kind of thinking

00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:52.029
Peter. He always seemed to be the more frail

00:27:52.029 --> 00:27:58.609
dude. Yeah, he's also the oldest, you know. This

00:27:58.609 --> 00:28:01.269
was obviously a freak accident. He fell in his

00:28:01.269 --> 00:28:04.589
studio, hit his head. And from what Jason Green

00:28:04.589 --> 00:28:06.809
mentioned on his show, which I was watching this

00:28:06.809 --> 00:28:11.170
morning, he mentioned that Ace had been in a

00:28:11.170 --> 00:28:15.920
coma for some time now. That those that were

00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:19.640
in the know knew that this wasn't how it was

00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.039
being played out in the media. And that makes

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.220
sense. I mean, you hope for the best. You're

00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:27.059
not going to just go right out there and say,

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:31.160
yeah, he's in a coma, got a brain bleed, and

00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:35.599
he's probably going to die. You know, obviously

00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.519
the family's hoping for the best. The doctors

00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.099
probably are as well. I mean, all of us, we,

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:45.640
you know, we. We wanted Ace to get better, you

00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:49.640
know, for as much as, you know, we've been critical

00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.640
about certain things that he's done. It doesn't

00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.359
diminish the love that we've had for him or his

00:28:55.359 --> 00:29:01.539
music. You know, no one's perfect. So didn't

00:29:01.539 --> 00:29:04.380
you interview someone in the last few weeks and

00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.819
you all reminisced about him seeing Ace Fraley

00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.660
recently? And he was saying that Ace was not

00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:16.740
acting. Oh, Josh Toomey. Josh Toomey. Yeah, he

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:20.700
had seen him. And I recorded that interview at

00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:23.380
the end of May, actually, and it came out in

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:28.500
August. So it makes me wonder. Yeah. I almost

00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.279
hate to say something on video because you don't

00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.819
want people taking something you said, even if

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:35.460
you're just wondering. But, of course, you know,

00:29:35.500 --> 00:29:40.559
I think I asked someone who was around him if

00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.119
they could tell if he was. had been drinking

00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.319
or something and they said no, but still he was

00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.900
acting funny. So you almost wonder if he was

00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:52.019
on some kind of medication that was making him

00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:56.519
feel woozy. Like I kind of wasn't surprised when

00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.920
I heard he had that fall with the way some people

00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.839
said he'd been acting lately. Right. And it doesn't

00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.339
seem to be alcohol or I think people would have

00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:08.299
caught on to that. Yeah. I guess from, from what.

00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:11.930
Jason Green was saying on his show is that ACE

00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:15.849
hasn't touched alcohol in years. So it's not

00:30:15.849 --> 00:30:19.789
that. And it could very well be medication because

00:30:19.789 --> 00:30:25.730
ACE has gotten larger these last few years. And

00:30:25.730 --> 00:30:28.349
that's usually, Gieser Butler talks about that

00:30:28.349 --> 00:30:31.029
in his book, how some of the antidepressants

00:30:31.029 --> 00:30:34.990
that he's on ballooned him up in size and how.

00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.640
You know, it doesn't matter how much he's tried

00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.279
to work out or take other things to try to supplement

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:46.440
that, that you have to kind of come to a fork

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.920
in the road and say either I'm going to get fit

00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:54.980
or, you know, I'm going to be fine in my head,

00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:58.079
basically, you know. So it should be that, you

00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.869
know, until and I know this from. family members

00:31:01.869 --> 00:31:04.210
of mine, until you find the right mix or the

00:31:04.210 --> 00:31:06.890
right concoction of medication that you take,

00:31:07.089 --> 00:31:10.549
you know, there can be side effects and different

00:31:10.549 --> 00:31:12.890
things that come into play. Maybe, maybe that's

00:31:12.890 --> 00:31:19.109
why, you know, that is his behavior, you know,

00:31:19.109 --> 00:31:21.349
during that show that Josh saw. And maybe that's

00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:22.930
what, like you're saying, maybe that's what happened

00:31:22.930 --> 00:31:24.589
in the studio. Maybe there's something that he

00:31:24.589 --> 00:31:28.509
was taking for health reasons that, you know,

00:31:28.509 --> 00:31:32.650
just he, Couldn't stay balanced or whatever.

00:31:34.750 --> 00:31:36.589
Because, yeah, I mean, even some of those like

00:31:36.589 --> 00:31:40.369
nerve pain medicines can make you feel woozy

00:31:40.369 --> 00:31:44.549
and a little dizzy and put on lots of weight

00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:47.849
and all that stuff too. Yeah. That actually happened

00:31:47.849 --> 00:31:51.369
to me once. I was taking a medicine called Lyrica

00:31:51.369 --> 00:31:54.730
many years ago that they give for people with

00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:57.589
fibromyalgia and stuff. And believe it or not,

00:31:57.690 --> 00:32:00.680
I was twice this size. By the time I stopped

00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.880
taking it, almost. I'm like 140 pounds. I got

00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.339
up to 220 pounds. Oh, wow. And was buying size

00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:12.859
36 jeans and stuff. And I quit taking that medicine.

00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.440
And it came off so fast that people were worried

00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.819
something was wrong with me. And that I was sick

00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:24.240
and dying. So, yeah, that can happen. And, too,

00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.960
those nerve medicines, you know, they kind of

00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:31.230
freeze you a bit. Right. You can easily fall

00:32:31.230 --> 00:32:36.630
if you're not careful. So, yeah, I just I wonder

00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:40.430
if it was something a little bit more on top

00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:42.829
of just getting older, which, of course, you

00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:45.690
know, when you get old and you fall, it's a lot

00:32:45.690 --> 00:32:50.029
easier to break stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And Ace was

00:32:50.029 --> 00:32:57.650
was 74. Let's not kid ourselves. Ace lived a

00:32:57.650 --> 00:33:06.210
hard life. Did a lot of alcohol and drugs for

00:33:06.210 --> 00:33:12.009
a very long time. I mean, if all accounts are

00:33:12.009 --> 00:33:16.710
true, I mean, he was heavy into both from the

00:33:16.710 --> 00:33:22.349
late 70s all the way up to, when did Anomaly

00:33:22.349 --> 00:33:27.019
come out? 2009, so like up to 16 years ago. So

00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:33.000
that's a stretch of 30 some odd years of alcohol

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:38.259
and drugs possibly taking a toll on him. Similar

00:33:38.259 --> 00:33:42.539
to Ozzy, you know, it's kind of the same thing.

00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:48.579
They abuse substances for so long that it, that

00:33:48.579 --> 00:33:53.890
has to have an effect on you. He was able to

00:33:53.890 --> 00:33:56.849
live a good life. I mentioned this. Yeah, he

00:33:56.849 --> 00:34:03.009
did. Hooligan Nation asked me to send a quote

00:34:03.009 --> 00:34:06.750
about Ace. And one of the things that I brought

00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:10.889
up, I said, remember the lyrics to the song Insane.

00:34:11.230 --> 00:34:14.130
And during that song, during the chorus, he says,

00:34:14.210 --> 00:34:22.059
I live five days to your one. Yeah. And I think

00:34:22.059 --> 00:34:25.800
when he wrote that lyric, he really meant that.

00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:30.559
Yeah, he did. So the partying and everything

00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.039
else that he was doing. Yeah, he had a good time.

00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:41.380
He had a good time. So for as sad as this coming

00:34:41.380 --> 00:34:44.639
to an abrupt end that no one saw it coming because

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:53.170
of an accident. He's lived a great life. You

00:34:53.170 --> 00:34:55.489
know, there's some similarities, too, I think,

00:34:55.489 --> 00:35:00.969
between him and Ozzy. Right. They were both characters

00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:04.449
unto themselves, different than all the other

00:35:04.449 --> 00:35:08.309
characters in the heavy music world. Right. They

00:35:08.309 --> 00:35:11.469
were still they were very unique in their personalities.

00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:15.929
You know, they're the kind of guys that walk

00:35:15.929 --> 00:35:18.130
into the room and everybody wants to be around

00:35:18.130 --> 00:35:21.980
them and talk to them. They're fun. And another

00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:25.920
thing, too, is Ace's voice is different. You

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.440
know, it really stands out amongst the other

00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:34.800
voices in Kiss in a big way. Yeah, there it is.

00:35:35.300 --> 00:35:38.300
So when you hear his tracks, I mean, they're

00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:41.619
so recognizable that it's almost like, you know,

00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:49.369
an Ace solo track to me. Just, yeah, the personalities

00:35:49.369 --> 00:35:52.389
that we've lost this year are just, you know,

00:35:52.389 --> 00:35:55.429
on a different level than a lot of the others

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.289
that we have to deal with or lose, like you said.

00:35:58.409 --> 00:36:00.090
You know, I think Jeremy's right when he said

00:36:00.090 --> 00:36:05.409
Pete Way fell when he died, too, didn't he? Yeah.

00:36:06.929 --> 00:36:11.929
But anyway, yeah, when I think of Ace compared

00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:15.869
to the other characters, those qualities stand

00:36:15.869 --> 00:36:20.480
out. with him that really separated him as a,

00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:24.340
even a different character from the rest of the

00:36:24.340 --> 00:36:28.139
guys in Kiss. Right. Which is one of the reasons

00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:30.099
why he was able to have the solo career that

00:36:30.099 --> 00:36:34.239
he did too. If anybody was going to have a successful

00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.880
one, I think it was him because of his voice

00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.420
and his personality. And also I think today,

00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:45.539
one of the things that stood out to me also is

00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:49.070
his, His work ethic, because, you know, a lot

00:36:49.070 --> 00:36:52.789
of people said that he was he was lazy, like

00:36:52.789 --> 00:36:57.090
he was the lazy guy in Kiss. But he put out,

00:36:57.110 --> 00:37:00.190
if I'm not mistaken, nine solo albums. He played

00:37:00.190 --> 00:37:02.610
on nine Kiss albums and he put out nine solo

00:37:02.610 --> 00:37:08.349
albums. He put out Fraley's Comet, Second Sighting,

00:37:08.349 --> 00:37:17.510
Trouble Walking, Anomaly, Space Invader. I'm

00:37:17.510 --> 00:37:21.570
missing some stuff here. He put out the Origins

00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:25.130
albums. He was working on a third Origins album.

00:37:28.849 --> 00:37:33.769
So, I mean, yeah, if you, what I'm trying to

00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:39.010
get at is Peter's put out how many solo albums?

00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:44.650
I mean, four or five, if that. there's, there's

00:37:44.650 --> 00:37:47.570
the two in the eighties. There's the Chris cat

00:37:47.570 --> 00:37:49.809
one, which is the only like rock one. And then

00:37:49.809 --> 00:37:53.469
there's that like jazz album he put out. So there's

00:37:53.469 --> 00:37:59.429
like four, um, Bruce Kulik has released three,

00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:06.429
four, maybe somewhere in that neighborhood. Vinnie

00:38:06.429 --> 00:38:11.769
Vincent, uh, two. You know, officially, even

00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:14.909
though there's bootlegs and EPs and stuff like

00:38:14.909 --> 00:38:17.369
that, Eric Carr unfortunately passed away, and

00:38:17.369 --> 00:38:21.570
there's only one with his work. Mark St. John

00:38:21.570 --> 00:38:24.710
had the White Tiger stuff, and that's about it.

00:38:25.610 --> 00:38:31.250
And let's look at the solo output from the rest

00:38:31.250 --> 00:38:33.550
of the members. I mean, Gene and Paul have only

00:38:33.550 --> 00:38:37.309
put out – Gene has put out one. Paul's put out

00:38:37.309 --> 00:38:43.860
one also. Eric Singer's put one out. Granted,

00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:47.460
they've had the vehicle of Kiss to release all

00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.480
the stuff that they've wanted. Actually, Paul's

00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.599
actually released the Soul Station album as well,

00:38:52.659 --> 00:39:00.099
but those are technically covers. I mean, if

00:39:00.099 --> 00:39:02.219
you look at it from that standpoint, Ace has

00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:06.619
been more proficient with his releases. And with

00:39:06.619 --> 00:39:09.579
this deal that he's had, he's been... you know,

00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.539
releasing an album of original music every two

00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:15.559
years. And he's been doing the origins albums

00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.199
in between. And he has been out there playing

00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:24.099
also. Yeah. He's been playing a lot. So Brad.

00:39:24.820 --> 00:39:28.159
Yeah. I don't know if you've told me before on

00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.239
this show, but what was your discovery of kiss

00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.280
yourself at what age and what year and all that

00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.769
stuff and how. Excellent question. Okay, so in

00:39:38.769 --> 00:39:42.269
1974, that's when I started high school, and

00:39:42.269 --> 00:39:45.949
I was on the cross -country team. I know, hard

00:39:45.949 --> 00:39:49.869
to believe, but it's true. You have pictures

00:39:49.869 --> 00:39:53.570
of that? Yeah, I do. I do. Not handy, but I'll

00:39:53.570 --> 00:40:00.510
get the evidence for you. But there's a group

00:40:00.510 --> 00:40:02.869
of guys that were on the team that were really

00:40:02.869 --> 00:40:08.980
into music. you know, you know, I was still developing

00:40:08.980 --> 00:40:12.139
my musical snobbery. And so they would, they

00:40:12.139 --> 00:40:15.300
would give me albums to listen to. And one album

00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:18.599
they gave me, this is again in 1974. It's gotta

00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.039
be the first one. Yeah. They gave me this one

00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:25.539
and I knew nothing about this band. I mean, yeah.

00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:28.940
You look at the picture. Yeah. What, what, you

00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:35.250
know, what is this? And I remember dropping the

00:40:35.250 --> 00:40:38.190
needle on this and just going, you know, strutter.

00:40:38.670 --> 00:40:44.150
Yeah. And there was just something about it.

00:40:44.170 --> 00:40:47.510
It's like, wow, this is really cool. These songs

00:40:47.510 --> 00:40:52.409
are really cool. And, you know, knew nothing

00:40:52.409 --> 00:40:56.090
else about the band. They also gave me, of course,

00:40:56.150 --> 00:41:01.730
this one, too, because it came out in 74. Right.

00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.139
I thought the album cover was just weird as hell

00:41:05.139 --> 00:41:08.119
as not just hotter than hell. It's like, what,

00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.579
what is this? What are these guys? You know,

00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:16.579
are these guys Asian? I don't know. Hard to tell

00:41:16.579 --> 00:41:23.260
with all the makeup, but you know, I started

00:41:23.260 --> 00:41:26.619
playing bass in seven 75. I got my first base

00:41:26.619 --> 00:41:30.500
in 1975 on my birthday. And one of the first

00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:35.329
things I did was, was this and of course it drove

00:41:35.329 --> 00:41:37.070
me crazy when i first started playing it because

00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:39.889
i'm like god these songs are like in weird places

00:41:39.889 --> 00:41:42.409
on the neck it doesn't make any sense the way

00:41:42.409 --> 00:41:44.409
they wrote this and then i figured i figured

00:41:44.409 --> 00:41:47.590
it out that they tuned down a half step okay

00:41:47.590 --> 00:41:50.449
which i've never seen anybody in the band talk

00:41:50.449 --> 00:41:53.909
about that but i'm gonna guess that it was ace

00:41:53.909 --> 00:41:57.170
that had everything to do with them tuning down

00:41:57.170 --> 00:42:01.230
a half step because a lot of people um, call

00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:04.349
that Jimi Hendrix tuning. Okay. It's like, is

00:42:04.349 --> 00:42:07.769
Jimi tuned down a half step? I, I, I've never

00:42:07.769 --> 00:42:09.489
done the dive on that to prove that or not, but

00:42:09.489 --> 00:42:11.409
I've heard a lot of people call that. Oh, I do.

00:42:11.409 --> 00:42:14.469
I do Hendrix tuning down a half step. And we

00:42:14.469 --> 00:42:18.170
know that Ace Jimi was his, uh, was his guy.

00:42:18.449 --> 00:42:20.309
So it kind of makes sense that he would have

00:42:20.309 --> 00:42:25.150
come in there saying, Hey guys. Um, yeah, I think

00:42:25.150 --> 00:42:27.610
we need Victor to do the impression here. Hey

00:42:27.610 --> 00:42:32.579
guys. Hey, We need to tune this down a half step.

00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.920
We need to go half step down. Yeah, there you

00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.559
go. There you go. It's easy to sing, too. Maybe

00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:45.699
Paul can sing it. So the first band I was in,

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.840
1976, we played a lot of Kiss songs. And I made

00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.960
the guitar player learn the leads. Because without

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:56.920
them being played like they are on the album,

00:42:58.269 --> 00:43:00.929
The song just didn't, it wasn't the same. It

00:43:00.929 --> 00:43:04.869
just didn't work. And I think this speaks to

00:43:04.869 --> 00:43:08.349
Ace's talent. I don't know when they first recorded

00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:11.869
these things, whether, you know, how they did

00:43:11.869 --> 00:43:14.090
this in the studio. Did Ace sit down and really

00:43:14.090 --> 00:43:16.090
work on what he was going to play? Or was this

00:43:16.090 --> 00:43:18.590
off the cuff and it was just so good that, of

00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:20.730
course, he played, I mean, live, he played it

00:43:20.730 --> 00:43:23.110
just like the album. He still played it like

00:43:23.110 --> 00:43:28.000
the album, even now. Like I said, you got to

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:35.360
without those leads like that. And I just got

00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.059
to give him credit for that. I think his leads,

00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.579
they're just tremendous. They're just really

00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:47.780
fun to listen to. They're memorable. There's

00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:50.039
only a handful of guitar players out there that

00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.130
their leads are that. important to the song that

00:43:53.130 --> 00:43:56.070
you really need them there or the song just isn't

00:43:56.070 --> 00:44:00.829
gonna isn't gonna work um so did you see one

00:44:00.829 --> 00:44:05.929
of those 70s tours i saw them let's see it was

00:44:05.929 --> 00:44:09.130
it was right after kiss alive came out yeah um

00:44:09.130 --> 00:44:12.590
and they must i saw them at the san diego sports

00:44:12.590 --> 00:44:16.329
arena because they sold out in la and i lived

00:44:16.329 --> 00:44:19.070
in the los angeles area they sold out in la like

00:44:19.070 --> 00:44:21.730
immediately when the tickets went on sale And

00:44:21.730 --> 00:44:25.110
I was able to get tickets for the show in San

00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:29.949
Diego. I was only 15. And luckily, my brother,

00:44:30.090 --> 00:44:34.409
CEO Dave, being back then, we didn't have the

00:44:34.409 --> 00:44:36.510
best relationship. It was he was still beating

00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:40.050
the crap out of me. But he was cool. He was cool

00:44:40.050 --> 00:44:44.420
enough to get his buddies to. and that include

00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:47.320
me to go to this concert. It was the second concert

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.500
I ever went to. So we, you know, drove down to

00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:56.039
San Diego. It was a cool road trip. And it was

00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:57.820
just like the coolest thing I've ever seen. I

00:44:57.820 --> 00:44:59.260
mean, we're sitting in the back of the arena

00:44:59.260 --> 00:45:01.880
in the Loge level, you know, which is not on

00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.800
the floor. It's just up one, you know. So we're

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:07.039
looking straight ahead at the stage. And when

00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.280
the lights went out for Kiss, oh, it was Montrose

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.610
was the warm -up act. and they were they were

00:45:11.610 --> 00:45:15.309
good but it was um you know it yeah it's like

00:45:15.309 --> 00:45:18.070
everybody's there to see kiss yeah when the lights

00:45:18.070 --> 00:45:22.269
went out the sound and the place just went up

00:45:22.269 --> 00:45:26.590
so loud i mean like no again only my second concert

00:45:26.590 --> 00:45:28.849
but i was like wow is this what this is what

00:45:28.849 --> 00:45:31.050
concerts are supposed to be like when they started

00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:33.190
playing they opened with deuce of course they

00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:37.420
did the whole kiss alive thing um When they started

00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:40.079
playing, you couldn't hear them because the crowd

00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.840
was so loud. Wow. It was nuts. I've never been

00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.340
to a concert like that since. That's awesome.

00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.179
The audience was so loud, you couldn't hear the

00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:52.380
band. And that's probably the ultimate tour you

00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:54.280
could have seen them, I'm thinking. Oh, exactly.

00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.019
Exactly. It's like, because everything was about

00:45:58.019 --> 00:46:01.400
to change at that point, you know, for them musically

00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.639
and also the band -wise. And we've talked about

00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:05.679
this with other bands that once they get successful,

00:46:06.380 --> 00:46:10.960
You know, things, you know, how they fought so

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.079
hard together to get there. Then things kind

00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.500
of start to maybe crack a little bit amongst

00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:18.119
the guys because it's, you know, it's like we're

00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.980
not we don't have to fight together anymore to

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:28.739
make it. We've made it. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah,

00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:32.130
it was it was incredible. And. Yeah. And another

00:46:32.130 --> 00:46:34.610
thing about kids, and I've said this many times

00:46:34.610 --> 00:46:38.849
before, of all the musicians that I've talked

00:46:38.849 --> 00:46:42.110
to and interviewed and asked them about how they,

00:46:42.130 --> 00:46:44.789
you know, what put them on the road with rock

00:46:44.789 --> 00:46:48.110
music. And you get guys that are older than me,

00:46:48.150 --> 00:46:51.130
you know, 70 and whatever. And a lot of them

00:46:51.130 --> 00:46:55.030
will cite the Beatles on Ed Sullivan. It's like,

00:46:55.130 --> 00:46:56.710
yeah, when I saw that, I knew I wanted to be

00:46:56.710 --> 00:47:01.860
a musician. Well, my age, 65 and over. It's Kiss.

00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.820
I'm going to say at least 90 % of the people

00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:08.599
I've talked to that are musicians, they're like,

00:47:08.659 --> 00:47:11.199
yeah, it's Kiss is what got me wanting to play

00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:16.659
guitar. And Ace Frehley was the big influence

00:47:16.659 --> 00:47:19.320
as far as guitar playing goes. I mean, for me,

00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.039
it was Gene Simmons. I mean, if I cite my greatest

00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.920
bass influences as far as my playing goes, well,

00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:32.960
I have to say Gene Simmons is right there. That's

00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:39.639
cool. KISS just had still such a huge impact

00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.840
in rock music. It's hard to find anybody out

00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.400
there in rock music, any heavy metal or anything

00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.739
like that, that hasn't been influenced by KISS.

00:47:50.380 --> 00:47:52.420
It's funny when you say that, too, to think about

00:47:52.420 --> 00:47:54.679
how they spent all those years. Like if you go

00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:59.840
read history books on there. The first few years

00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.679
they were trying to make it, like up until Alive,

00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.699
they were struggling. Alive is what basically

00:48:07.699 --> 00:48:13.780
saved them. And that got me thinking today, you

00:48:13.780 --> 00:48:16.679
know, like when was the earliest point that I

00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.820
ever heard of Kiss as a kid? And, you know, I

00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:22.519
told you that I went to Christian school, but

00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.840
that was after the fact. First, second, third

00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.789
grade. which would be in the mid -70s. I'm going

00:48:30.789 --> 00:48:33.550
to public school, and I can't remember one single

00:48:33.550 --> 00:48:36.550
kid ever talking about KISS. I'd never heard

00:48:36.550 --> 00:48:41.090
of them. Well, until third grade. In third grade,

00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:44.909
I had a friend down the street, and I would go

00:48:44.909 --> 00:48:47.170
to his house. I've told you this story before.

00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:51.170
He had one of those big furniture record players

00:48:51.170 --> 00:48:53.429
in his room. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we had one, too.

00:48:53.980 --> 00:48:57.300
And his mom was cool. She let us put it on and

00:48:57.300 --> 00:49:03.699
turn it to 11. And I instantly became obsessed

00:49:03.699 --> 00:49:07.739
listening to that. And I also remember being

00:49:07.739 --> 00:49:12.619
really excited about the song Shock Me and the

00:49:12.619 --> 00:49:15.159
guitar solo. Like I said, this is what kind of

00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.190
woke me up to rock music. But, you know, you

00:49:19.190 --> 00:49:22.809
know what a big deal it was when that album came

00:49:22.809 --> 00:49:25.190
out and that Ace is actually singing a song.

00:49:25.369 --> 00:49:28.289
Yeah, that's right. That was I didn't know anything

00:49:28.289 --> 00:49:31.030
about that. But yeah, looking back on it now.

00:49:31.349 --> 00:49:33.690
But the only other because, you know, it was

00:49:33.690 --> 00:49:37.349
people younger kids just don't get how little

00:49:37.349 --> 00:49:40.690
our sources of information were back then. Oh,

00:49:40.690 --> 00:49:44.329
yeah. I mean, obviously, teenagers back then

00:49:44.329 --> 00:49:47.320
knew who Kiss were. Their only medium for that

00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.099
would have probably been magazines and maybe

00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:53.360
a radio station if you're in a big city. Like,

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.219
I can't remember Lexington playing Kiss songs

00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:59.440
on the radio much. I don't remember hearing Kiss

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.980
on the radio either. The only other time I remember,

00:50:02.179 --> 00:50:07.539
because I had learned about Kiss and that Star

00:50:07.539 --> 00:50:10.420
Wars came out. So then when I would go to the

00:50:10.420 --> 00:50:12.579
grocery store and I'm looking at Star Wars cards,

00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:15.420
well, there started to be Kiss cards next to

00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:17.590
them. Right. So I was learning about KISS from

00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:19.909
my friend and I see the KISS cards there. And

00:50:19.909 --> 00:50:22.909
so I started buying those with, I don't know

00:50:22.909 --> 00:50:24.869
how I got them, if my mom bought them for me

00:50:24.869 --> 00:50:28.090
or if I had some money to buy them myself. But,

00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:30.050
you know, if it wasn't for like my friend down

00:50:30.050 --> 00:50:33.289
the street, I can't think of when I would have

00:50:33.289 --> 00:50:36.670
ever had known about KISS until they had done

00:50:36.670 --> 00:50:39.650
all that extra marketing, like with the cards

00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:44.010
and, you know, all the toys and things they started

00:50:44.010 --> 00:50:50.849
to make after that. So the way they evolved in

00:50:50.849 --> 00:50:55.949
the 70s is a very interesting story. Yeah. I

00:50:55.949 --> 00:50:58.750
don't know. We should probably address this.

00:50:58.869 --> 00:51:03.949
Jeremy wants to know what we think was Ace's

00:51:03.949 --> 00:51:09.110
best work, kiss or solo. I'll go first. Kiss.

00:51:10.690 --> 00:51:12.949
Although I did like his solo stuff a lot. I have

00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:16.599
all his albums. I've bought them all. but then

00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.559
yeah, kiss for me too. I mean, and he, it's not

00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.500
like he had a huge input. I mean, the first album,

00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.119
I think the only song that was really his was

00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.099
cold gin, which one of my all time favorite kiss,

00:51:28.099 --> 00:51:31.539
kiss songs. Yeah. But then after that, I mean,

00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:33.539
if you look at the rest of the discography, I

00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:37.920
mean, parasite is his strange ways is getaway

00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:42.119
is his. Oh yeah. Getaway is a totally underrated

00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.590
song. I don't know. I think he did the intro

00:51:45.590 --> 00:51:48.329
to Rock Bottom. I don't think he wrote the song.

00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:52.530
Yeah. He's got credits on that as well. Yeah.

00:51:52.630 --> 00:51:58.289
Yeah. And Flaming Youth. Flaming Youth, Victor.

00:51:58.550 --> 00:52:01.070
He's got a credit on there. I bet he wrote the

00:52:01.070 --> 00:52:07.469
main riff. Probably. And the chorus part, which

00:52:07.469 --> 00:52:12.579
is a fun song to play. Fun song. Yeah, it's a

00:52:12.579 --> 00:52:15.059
shame they only played it really on that tour,

00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:19.460
on the Destroyer tour. Yeah, they didn't play

00:52:19.460 --> 00:52:21.099
it when I saw them on that tour. I saw them at

00:52:21.099 --> 00:52:24.800
the Anaheim Stadium, and they did not play that.

00:52:25.659 --> 00:52:32.980
It's on something. And on one of the Destroyer

00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:34.800
reissues where they have a show from Amsterdam,

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.619
I believe. Ah. They're playing it on there. Cool.

00:52:41.130 --> 00:52:44.250
Jeremy also says, do you think they were ever

00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:49.250
going to reform? No. No. I don't think so. I

00:52:49.250 --> 00:52:52.570
don't think they would have. There's just too

00:52:52.570 --> 00:52:56.369
much that went on. There's behind the scenes

00:52:56.369 --> 00:53:00.349
stuff that I've heard that I can't mention. And

00:53:00.349 --> 00:53:02.829
there's also the whole Rock and Roll Hall of

00:53:02.829 --> 00:53:06.769
Fame thing. I think it really bothered Ace and

00:53:06.769 --> 00:53:10.480
Peter that there was no way that. they were able

00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:16.340
to get up there and play that. Yeah, that was

00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:21.280
a total missed opportunity. And yeah, Paul and

00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:28.039
Gene, yeah, they should feel bad about that not

00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.639
happening for the fans. I mean, they should have

00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.219
done it for the fans. The other thing too is

00:53:33.219 --> 00:53:36.539
that there was talk about them inviting him to

00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:41.110
this whole Vegas thing. And he said in an interview

00:53:41.110 --> 00:53:43.550
recently, you know, the place where they should

00:53:43.550 --> 00:53:46.710
have invited us was that those final shows in

00:53:46.710 --> 00:53:49.530
New York at the end of the road tour, not for

00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:52.269
this. And he said, you know, the garden holds

00:53:52.269 --> 00:53:55.469
19 ,000 people where they're playing in Vegas

00:53:55.469 --> 00:53:59.949
holds five. You know, it doesn't make, it doesn't

00:53:59.949 --> 00:54:07.510
make sense. So they. I think they dropped the

00:54:07.510 --> 00:54:10.190
ball with both of those things because I think

00:54:10.190 --> 00:54:13.349
us as fans were thinking, okay, end of the road,

00:54:13.369 --> 00:54:15.889
the end of the road is going to have this ultimate

00:54:15.889 --> 00:54:19.909
show where we're going to get Ace, we're going

00:54:19.909 --> 00:54:23.250
to get Peter, we're going to get Bruce. We may

00:54:23.250 --> 00:54:28.309
even get Vinny up there for a song. It seemed

00:54:28.309 --> 00:54:30.969
like the end of that really should have been

00:54:30.969 --> 00:54:34.610
a celebration of every era of the band. where

00:54:34.610 --> 00:54:37.710
it should have had all of these different members

00:54:37.710 --> 00:54:43.090
chiming in and celebrating their portion of their

00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:46.050
legacy. Because let's be honest, they're part

00:54:46.050 --> 00:54:50.949
of the legacy that is KISS. So I don't think

00:54:50.949 --> 00:54:52.690
they would have ever gotten back together again.

00:54:52.710 --> 00:54:57.670
I think there was just too much stuff. They would

00:54:57.670 --> 00:55:02.110
have had to fork over a boatload of money. I

00:55:02.110 --> 00:55:05.949
mean, it would have been in the millions. It

00:55:05.949 --> 00:55:08.190
would have been probably double digit millions

00:55:08.190 --> 00:55:13.329
for Ace to come back on board. I think at this

00:55:13.329 --> 00:55:15.489
point it would have strictly had to have been

00:55:15.489 --> 00:55:20.789
a cash exchange. But unfortunately, it never

00:55:20.789 --> 00:55:28.719
happened. Euro lamb forever. Yeah, who's a Euro?

00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:33.900
I don't know. Somebody from Greece? Is saying

00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:38.219
Ace and Peter both underutilized vocally. Peter

00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:42.179
also had a great voice. He did. He does have

00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:45.920
a great voice, yeah. Yeah. Peter is singing on

00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.920
Black Diamond. Oh, my gosh. I love that so much.

00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:55.289
Yeah, there's so much of that. early era stuff

00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:58.789
that and you were able to see them live but just

00:55:58.789 --> 00:56:01.090
checking out like the the winterland footage

00:56:01.090 --> 00:56:05.590
when when the band was a hungry band out to prove

00:56:05.590 --> 00:56:08.809
themselves and the four of them i mean they were

00:56:08.809 --> 00:56:11.730
a unit they were out there to annihilate the

00:56:11.730 --> 00:56:15.250
audience yeah it's just spectacular as you were

00:56:15.250 --> 00:56:18.809
saying before brad you know his solos uh just

00:56:18.809 --> 00:56:24.690
how everything cohesively worked um And after

00:56:24.690 --> 00:56:27.909
seeing the Becoming Led Zeppelin documentary,

00:56:28.309 --> 00:56:33.110
we can't really poo -poo on Kiss anymore for

00:56:33.110 --> 00:56:37.010
having all these behind -the -scenes musicians

00:56:37.010 --> 00:56:39.989
because apparently Jimmy Page has played on a

00:56:39.989 --> 00:56:44.050
million and one things in the studio even after

00:56:44.050 --> 00:56:48.269
Led Zeppelin became popular because whoever the

00:56:48.269 --> 00:56:54.659
guitarist was... He was brought in because the

00:56:54.659 --> 00:57:05.380
producer knew that he was a sure thing. So it's

00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:11.599
unfortunate that we couldn't get one last hurrah

00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:18.369
out of the original four. I agree. And there

00:57:18.369 --> 00:57:20.849
are people criticizing Paul today, for example,

00:57:20.849 --> 00:57:25.329
with his message, what he posted. It's a picture

00:57:25.329 --> 00:57:29.730
of him and Ace laughing. And he says something

00:57:29.730 --> 00:57:32.969
to the extent of in 1974, they were staying at

00:57:32.969 --> 00:57:37.329
the White Hotel on Sunset. And he heard a guitarist

00:57:37.329 --> 00:57:42.670
blazing in the next room over. And he went out

00:57:42.670 --> 00:57:46.030
to the balcony, looked over. Or he thought to

00:57:46.030 --> 00:57:48.530
himself, I want a guitarist like that in my band.

00:57:48.710 --> 00:57:51.809
He went out on the balcony, looked over and saw

00:57:51.809 --> 00:57:54.130
that it was Ace playing. And he said, great.

00:57:54.710 --> 00:57:57.750
Oh, my God. You know, I do have that guitarist

00:57:57.750 --> 00:58:02.090
in my band. So a lot of people have kind of come

00:58:02.090 --> 00:58:04.750
out at Paul saying, you know, kind of criticizing

00:58:04.750 --> 00:58:06.369
that that's the only thing he could have said.

00:58:06.429 --> 00:58:10.289
He released a joint statement with Gene as, you

00:58:10.289 --> 00:58:14.280
know. under the KISS moniker, under the KISS

00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:19.199
brand. I do honestly think that that message

00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.159
is more of him being in shock than anything else.

00:58:22.500 --> 00:58:28.059
Yeah. I mean, I think that this has probably

00:58:28.059 --> 00:58:31.219
caught them off guard as well, because as we're

00:58:31.219 --> 00:58:33.179
saying, I think that all of a sudden they've

00:58:33.179 --> 00:58:38.079
realized, oh, shit, this is never going to happen.

00:58:38.579 --> 00:58:42.309
Yeah. I think that they held out hope is what

00:58:42.309 --> 00:58:45.469
Jeremy said and what we've discussed. I think

00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:49.130
that they felt that there was going to come a

00:58:49.130 --> 00:58:54.250
time and place that they were going to make a

00:58:54.250 --> 00:58:56.570
deal that they could never refuse and they would

00:58:56.570 --> 00:58:58.750
get the four back together again. And there would

00:58:58.750 --> 00:59:02.050
be that toxic mix again from all four components,

00:59:02.230 --> 00:59:05.289
not just one person. It would be all four of

00:59:05.289 --> 00:59:09.090
them. And I think that. They've realized there's

00:59:09.090 --> 00:59:15.730
finality to this. There is no next chance. It's

00:59:15.730 --> 00:59:22.469
done. So I think now is when you may see them

00:59:22.469 --> 00:59:25.969
lament some of their decisions. They may not

00:59:25.969 --> 00:59:32.389
say it publicly, but I think the telling sign

00:59:32.389 --> 00:59:36.989
is going to be this thing at the Kennedy Center.

00:59:38.110 --> 00:59:41.989
Yeah. Do some of them not show up as a result

00:59:41.989 --> 00:59:46.309
because this has been, you know, a big hit to

00:59:46.309 --> 00:59:48.929
them? Do they realize all of a sudden, shit,

00:59:49.090 --> 00:59:53.230
you know, I should have addressed this a different

00:59:53.230 --> 00:59:55.969
way when he was still alive. We could have, we

00:59:55.969 --> 00:59:59.969
should have done this for the fans. You know,

01:00:05.110 --> 01:00:09.820
that's depressing. It is because it's definitely

01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:13.719
a lost opportunity. And I think they're going

01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:23.440
to feel it more than anyone else. All right,

01:00:23.539 --> 01:00:29.019
Jeremy. Saying he will be immortalized, though,

01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.219
with the plan for a ABBA -style hologram show.

01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.119
Is that still the plan? Yes, because they've

01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.489
sold. They've sold their music, their image,

01:00:38.670 --> 01:00:42.869
everything to the organization that owns all

01:00:42.869 --> 01:00:46.170
the ABBA stuff. So it's going to be that same

01:00:46.170 --> 01:00:49.250
sort of thing. They're going to create the avatars.

01:00:49.550 --> 01:00:53.590
The rumor is that they're going to build a theater

01:00:53.590 --> 01:00:59.190
in Las Vegas to put on the KISS shows. And if

01:00:59.190 --> 01:01:03.750
planned correctly, they're going to get a lot

01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:08.469
of money out of that. And they're going to, I

01:01:08.469 --> 01:01:13.309
mean, if they pull it off the right way, that

01:01:13.309 --> 01:01:19.050
could last a very long time. Now, they have to

01:01:19.050 --> 01:01:21.070
make sure that it's inclusive for everybody,

01:01:21.250 --> 01:01:23.469
though. That's the thing. The one thing that

01:01:23.469 --> 01:01:26.289
they've been smart with doing, and I'll continue

01:01:26.289 --> 01:01:29.969
to say this, when people doubt, oh, you know,

01:01:29.989 --> 01:01:33.699
the. Kiss having more streams than Def Leppard

01:01:33.699 --> 01:01:36.699
is bullshit because Def Leppard sold more albums

01:01:36.699 --> 01:01:41.199
and this and that. Right. But what has Def Leppard

01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:47.719
done to ingrain themselves with the younger audience?

01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:50.840
See, that's the thing that Kiss has always been

01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:54.199
smart with. As far as, you know, us as adults

01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.599
looking at, you know, the Hello Kitty stuff or

01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.210
doing the Scooby -Doo stuff. For a lot of older

01:02:02.210 --> 01:02:05.349
people thinking that's nonsense, you know, they

01:02:05.349 --> 01:02:07.210
need to do this or they need to do the other

01:02:07.210 --> 01:02:10.469
thing. I was watching Scooby -Doo with my kids

01:02:10.469 --> 01:02:14.250
and realizing that they were listening to the

01:02:14.250 --> 01:02:18.489
songs as a result of them watching these Scooby

01:02:18.489 --> 01:02:24.809
-Doo cartoons with kids. I Was Made For Loving

01:02:24.809 --> 01:02:30.239
You is their biggest song on streaming. It was

01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.739
in the Fall Guy movie. It was in that movie constantly.

01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:36.480
There were instrumental versions of it. There

01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:39.280
was a version of a woman singing it. There was

01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:48.300
the band singing it. So if nothing else, there

01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:51.820
should be classes in college for people that

01:02:51.820 --> 01:03:00.690
want to market bands. Studying Kiss. Studying

01:03:00.690 --> 01:03:03.409
merchandise. Because I can't tell you how many

01:03:03.409 --> 01:03:07.150
bands have come out and criticized them and then

01:03:07.150 --> 01:03:12.730
done all the same things. Yes, Motley Crue. Yes,

01:03:12.909 --> 01:03:18.150
Aerosmith. Et cetera, et cetera. So many bands

01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:20.610
that criticize them for meet and greets. So many

01:03:20.610 --> 01:03:22.550
bands that criticize them for different types

01:03:22.550 --> 01:03:27.780
of merchandise. They all followed in the footsteps.

01:03:31.099 --> 01:03:42.059
So this whole Abba type show is seem like something

01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:45.559
ridiculous to a lot of people. And I think, again,

01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.139
had they have done a show that included all of

01:03:49.139 --> 01:03:51.800
the former members for the end of the road and

01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:57.449
then tack that on to the end. I think the Internet

01:03:57.449 --> 01:04:00.289
community would have digested that in a different

01:04:00.289 --> 01:04:03.610
fashion. There wouldn't have been such a harsh

01:04:03.610 --> 01:04:09.989
remark. And that was such a harsh response. I

01:04:09.989 --> 01:04:12.889
think that that was due to the fact that people

01:04:12.889 --> 01:04:18.550
held out hope for that last night to have Ace,

01:04:18.769 --> 01:04:25.539
Peter and at least Bruce. It would have been

01:04:25.539 --> 01:04:29.920
cool. And they would have made money hand over

01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.659
fist because they could have released whatever

01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:36.500
they wanted from that. They could have released

01:04:36.500 --> 01:04:40.940
DVDs. It could have been on Netflix. It could

01:04:40.940 --> 01:04:43.960
have been on a million things and people would

01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:48.500
have signed up for it because KISS fans are collectors.

01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:55.389
KISS fans are our age. have disposable income.

01:04:56.230 --> 01:04:59.869
And a lot of people are still waiting for that

01:04:59.869 --> 01:05:04.690
DVD from Dubai that spent a ton of money on that

01:05:04.690 --> 01:05:07.869
and they will never see it. You're telling me

01:05:07.869 --> 01:05:11.010
that they would have released an end of the road

01:05:11.010 --> 01:05:14.590
DVD and people wouldn't have gotten apeshit over

01:05:14.590 --> 01:05:17.570
that and wouldn't have purchased, you know, especially

01:05:17.570 --> 01:05:22.070
having all of these people returning. It would

01:05:22.070 --> 01:05:33.190
have done gangbusters. Yeah. We'll see. Ace was

01:05:33.190 --> 01:05:41.590
working on Origins 3. He supposedly had some

01:05:41.590 --> 01:05:46.489
music, some demos that he was going to work with

01:05:46.489 --> 01:05:53.869
Steve Brown on, apparently, afterwards. And I

01:05:53.869 --> 01:05:59.130
don't know if that's ever going to happen. I

01:05:59.130 --> 01:06:00.909
mean, I don't know if there are stems out there

01:06:00.909 --> 01:06:05.130
somewhere. I mean, Ace has got a million demos.

01:06:05.349 --> 01:06:09.110
I'll tell you right now, if they start releasing

01:06:09.110 --> 01:06:13.230
demos and unreleased stuff similar to that Origins

01:06:13.230 --> 01:06:20.610
Volume 1 with certain things, KISS fans are going

01:06:20.610 --> 01:06:24.880
to buy it. Oh, heck yeah. You got to wonder,

01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:28.239
cause I mean, if Steve Brown is still his right

01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:30.980
-hand guy, he's probably got access to all of

01:06:30.980 --> 01:06:33.559
this stuff. And I don't know what the legalities

01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:37.039
are of everything, but I mean, obviously he has,

01:06:37.099 --> 01:06:40.019
he has the power and connections to complete

01:06:40.019 --> 01:06:43.079
all of that and have, you could get a lot of

01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:44.980
people guesting on it and you could probably

01:06:44.980 --> 01:06:48.980
put out a pretty cool album. Yeah. I don't know

01:06:48.980 --> 01:06:51.889
whether that, is something he can actually do

01:06:51.889 --> 01:06:55.269
legally. Right. The legal side of it is what's

01:06:55.269 --> 01:06:59.130
really going to dictate what happens. Because,

01:06:59.170 --> 01:07:02.789
I mean, Ace for years has talked or had talked

01:07:02.789 --> 01:07:07.269
about releasing The Elder with his original solos

01:07:07.269 --> 01:07:10.909
and with his original guitar playing on there.

01:07:11.409 --> 01:07:16.739
And that never happened. I mean, unless Mercury

01:07:16.739 --> 01:07:19.820
allows that to happen or whoever owns Mercury

01:07:19.820 --> 01:07:23.159
now allows that to happen. I mean, I don't see

01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.139
that Steve Brown is going to have the pull to

01:07:26.139 --> 01:07:31.300
release that stuff. You know, that's probably

01:07:31.300 --> 01:07:34.619
more of the band. And we don't know. I mean,

01:07:34.619 --> 01:07:39.699
would the band release a deluxe edition of The

01:07:39.699 --> 01:07:47.059
Elder to include that sort of stuff? No. I think

01:07:47.059 --> 01:07:51.480
that that's, well, I don't think that's the last

01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.659
album that they would release a deluxe version

01:07:53.659 --> 01:07:56.059
of, but it's one of the last few that they would

01:07:56.059 --> 01:08:02.099
do it to. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean,

01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:06.480
let's see. They've skipped over Rock and Roll

01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:11.420
Over, Love Gun, right? They did a deluxe Love

01:08:11.420 --> 01:08:14.079
Gun. They did a deluxe Love Gun. Okay. But not

01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.819
rock and roll over, right? No, no, no rock and

01:08:16.819 --> 01:08:19.520
roll over. So they've done deluxe editions of,

01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:22.100
and I'm going off the top of my head. So if I'm

01:08:22.100 --> 01:08:26.119
missing anything, um, I apologize, but they've

01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:29.920
done destroyer more than once. Oh yeah. Love

01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:43.010
gun creatures, the alive albums. I don't think

01:08:43.010 --> 01:08:45.890
that they've done deluxe editions of anything

01:08:45.890 --> 01:08:49.550
else. And for example, with creatures, there

01:08:49.550 --> 01:08:54.989
were demos that were more lick it up demos. So

01:08:54.989 --> 01:08:57.409
I think they just wanted to encapsulate anything

01:08:57.409 --> 01:09:01.569
remotely pertaining to Vinny with creatures,

01:09:01.670 --> 01:09:09.449
for example. I mean, I, I don't know. They've

01:09:09.449 --> 01:09:15.000
been doing these soundboard. releases, but I

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.020
mean, honestly, I would almost prefer a box set

01:09:19.020 --> 01:09:24.119
that has, okay, we're going to give you all of

01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:26.359
the stuff that we played on the destroyer tour.

01:09:26.460 --> 01:09:29.319
That doesn't appear on any other live album.

01:09:29.380 --> 01:09:32.439
We're going to give you all of the, you know,

01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:35.520
rock and roll over stuff, you know, I'd prefer

01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:40.239
a box set that has, you know, all of this stuff

01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:42.579
that they've released. If you want to include

01:09:42.579 --> 01:09:45.420
a live, a live one, a live three, fine. But then

01:09:45.420 --> 01:09:49.420
give me another two discs that have all the missing

01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:52.199
pieces, all of the other stuff. If you want to

01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:56.159
include a live album from each lineup, okay,

01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:05.180
fine. But do it all in one package. Yeah. We'll

01:10:05.180 --> 01:10:13.520
see. Yeah. I've said this a bunch of times. I've

01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.140
mentioned this to Mark Striegel before. We've

01:10:16.140 --> 01:10:22.260
talked about it a bunch. We're at the age where

01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:24.680
all of our heroes are slowly going to go away.

01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:32.020
For a lot of us, that kind of started with Ronnie

01:10:32.020 --> 01:10:35.699
James Dio, continued with Lemmy, Eddie Van Halen.

01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.960
Chuck Schuldiner. We've had, you know, recent

01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:48.539
losses of Paul D 'Anno, John Sykes, Ozzy Osbourne.

01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:53.579
Obviously, Randy Rhodes died way back when. You've

01:10:53.579 --> 01:10:56.680
had Kevin Dubrow. You've had Frankie Benally.

01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:01.659
Cliff Burton. Cliff Burton. There's another one.

01:11:07.550 --> 01:11:12.369
A lot of people, you know, that are intricate

01:11:12.369 --> 01:11:15.270
parts of the soundtrack of our lives that are

01:11:15.270 --> 01:11:18.609
no longer with us. And we reached that finality.

01:11:19.550 --> 01:11:24.090
Did you say Neil Peart? Neil Peart? I did not

01:11:24.090 --> 01:11:26.649
say. There's another one. Yeah. I can't forget

01:11:26.649 --> 01:11:33.069
Neil. We still have Willie Nelson. Dolly Parton.

01:11:33.500 --> 01:11:37.479
Are we sure? And they're still going. Yeah. Dolly

01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:40.039
has said she's got some health issues. Yeah.

01:11:40.180 --> 01:11:43.439
She's still alive. She ain't dead yet. I'll hear

01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.640
that Willie Nelson's having a hard time, but

01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.119
I never can tell if it's just fake news or the

01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:52.340
truth. Yeah. Well, how much money does Willie

01:11:52.340 --> 01:11:55.380
have? I mean, I don't think he thinks about money

01:11:55.380 --> 01:11:58.460
anymore. Yeah, I don't think so either. And that's

01:11:58.460 --> 01:12:02.380
another thing, too. You think about. like members

01:12:02.380 --> 01:12:04.819
of Metallica, for example, with all the stuff,

01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:07.159
with all the substance abuse they've done and

01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:10.500
hard living and stuff like that. But they've

01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:17.640
got so much money that I have to think that Metallica

01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.680
is an organization where they've got doctors,

01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:24.920
they've got masseuses, they've got, like when

01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:30.409
they're out on tour, they've got, their whole

01:12:30.409 --> 01:12:32.930
enterprise following them around and making sure

01:12:32.930 --> 01:12:35.729
that the money's still coming in. That's right.

01:12:35.829 --> 01:12:39.210
It makes sense too. I mean, that's part of your

01:12:39.210 --> 01:12:42.670
business, man. Yeah. Absolutely. They got to

01:12:42.670 --> 01:12:46.869
stay in shape to do it. That takes a lot of time

01:12:46.869 --> 01:12:52.829
when you get older. And, and, and that's, that's

01:12:52.829 --> 01:12:54.970
interesting because the Metallica guys are kind

01:12:54.970 --> 01:13:00.859
of in between. They're like 10 years older. At

01:13:00.859 --> 01:13:03.619
least 10 years older than me. They're in their

01:13:03.619 --> 01:13:10.739
60s. I guess that's about right. The Stones,

01:13:10.819 --> 01:13:12.979
that's another example. The Stones will never

01:13:12.979 --> 01:13:16.760
die, I don't think. The Stones will be the first

01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:23.420
human beings to reach 150 years old. That will

01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:25.840
be an amazing day, though, when Keith Richards

01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.039
dies, because we've all been telling so many

01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:32.439
jokes. for decades now about how long he's going

01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:37.979
to be around. Absolutely. It'll be hard to believe,

01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.119
yeah, that he's really gone. There's the Dennis

01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.359
Leary joke of Keith Richards that he told back

01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.000
in the 90s where Keith Richards started doing

01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:54.539
the stop doing drugs PSAs. And Dennis Leary says,

01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:57.800
the kids can't do drugs, Keith. You've already

01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:00.899
done them all. That's right. Until you die and

01:14:00.899 --> 01:14:03.020
they burn your ashes so that they can get high

01:14:03.020 --> 01:14:09.340
off of your ashes. Yeah. So. Yeah. Well, I think

01:14:09.340 --> 01:14:11.640
Jeremy's got a good point that fortunately the

01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:15.939
music never dies. Yeah. Absolutely. And thank

01:14:15.939 --> 01:14:19.699
goodness for that. Yeah. I mean, the sad thing

01:14:19.699 --> 01:14:21.659
is we're probably going to be doing a few more

01:14:21.659 --> 01:14:23.819
of these types of shows here the next year or

01:14:23.819 --> 01:14:30.260
two. Yeah. I sure am glad that we have each other

01:14:30.260 --> 01:14:34.279
to talk to, though. Yeah. Especially with a lot

01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:37.920
of my music buddies being gone, too. I mean,

01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.899
they're up there hanging out with Ace now. And

01:14:40.899 --> 01:14:45.500
I'm down here trying to console my mopey feelings,

01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:50.680
having lost him. No, absolutely. I mean, I think

01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.960
what we do here on the show is therapeutic for

01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.539
us and for a lot of other people. That's why

01:14:56.539 --> 01:14:59.840
we encourage other people to join us in the chat

01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:04.640
during the shows or joining us on Patreon. Before

01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:06.939
we wrap up the show, I do want to remind you

01:15:06.939 --> 01:15:09.659
guys about the Halloween show. Yes, Brad, you

01:15:09.659 --> 01:15:12.140
did come up with this idea, whether you remember

01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:15.279
it or not. I got five days to come up with my

01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:21.319
list. Holy crap. I better get that done. One

01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:24.680
quick question about Halloween. Um, are we ranking

01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:28.100
them or just giving you a list of 10 and then

01:15:28.100 --> 01:15:30.199
you're going to, it's the same as usual, Brad.

01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:35.140
We don't want one to 10. I can do that. Bands

01:15:35.140 --> 01:15:38.319
you most associate with Halloween, whether it's

01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:43.590
imagery, whether it's lyrics, whether it's. Ed,

01:15:43.590 --> 01:15:45.689
I'm going to challenge you to come up with the

01:15:45.689 --> 01:15:51.649
top ten list of your Halloween bands and submit

01:15:51.649 --> 01:15:54.970
it to Victor. And, yeah, we'll see about the

01:15:54.970 --> 01:15:57.109
Jays. How do you even know about the Jays over

01:15:57.109 --> 01:15:59.390
there? Nobody knows about baseball in the U .K.,

01:15:59.390 --> 01:16:03.430
do they? Well, they are Canadian. They may feel

01:16:03.430 --> 01:16:07.250
that they're still part of the U .K. Yeah, they

01:16:07.250 --> 01:16:08.829
got a whole country behind them. That's pretty

01:16:08.829 --> 01:16:15.899
cool. All right, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Join us on

01:16:15.899 --> 01:16:17.680
that. Join us on the next one. And yeah, get

01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:21.819
the Halloween thing together. Give me your 10

01:16:21.819 --> 01:16:24.819
bands you most associate with Halloween. Spookiest

01:16:24.819 --> 01:16:29.460
bands. Euro. Lamb Euro. Whoever you are. Thanks.

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:33.600
Yeah. Yeah. Give us your list to join. Join in.

01:16:33.619 --> 01:16:37.100
Join the party. Send your list to signals from

01:16:37.100 --> 01:16:40.229
Mars at signals from Mars dot com. Or if you

01:16:40.229 --> 01:16:42.689
usually exchange messages with me on any of these

01:16:42.689 --> 01:16:48.869
social media platforms, do so that way. One parting

01:16:48.869 --> 01:16:55.109
word from Ace. Look, it's rock and roll. Not

01:16:55.109 --> 01:16:59.069
the rock and roll, as Jeremy said, it will live

01:16:59.069 --> 01:17:02.590
on forever. Thank you, Ace. Thank you guys for

01:17:02.590 --> 01:17:06.550
joining me tonight. Brad, Ed, Edgar, Jeremy,

01:17:06.729 --> 01:17:16.840
Tony. The Euro lamb forever. As Brad shows off

01:17:16.840 --> 01:17:22.420
his effects. Thank you, guys, once again. And

01:17:22.420 --> 01:17:25.399
we will see you next time right here on Signals

01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:41.600
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