WEBVTT 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.859 welcome everyone to the latest episode of signals 00:01:11.859 --> 00:01:17.659 for mars i am victor as usual and um we welcome 00:01:17.659 --> 00:01:23.260 back mr joshua to me josh how are you sir i'm 00:01:23.260 --> 00:01:25.040 doing well victor man always good to see you 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:30.459 voice cracked right off the top always good well 00:01:30.459 --> 00:01:34.599 this is uh you you were on the very last episode 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:39.000 of the mars attacks podcast uh so that was Episode 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:46.280 300 before the name change. And at this point 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.340 in time, I've got some episodes in the can. But 00:01:49.340 --> 00:01:52.879 at this point in time, I've released 417 episodes. 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:58.159 So about 120 episodes later, Joshua Toomey reappears 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:04.019 on the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I was honored to 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:08.129 be asked on for the last Mars Attacks. I did 00:02:08.129 --> 00:02:09.789 feel a little hoodwinked. I thought that you 00:02:09.789 --> 00:02:11.550 were like quitting podcasting and then you're 00:02:11.550 --> 00:02:13.050 like, no, no, no. I'm just changing the name. 00:02:13.110 --> 00:02:15.270 I was like, Oh, well I thought I was, I thought 00:02:15.270 --> 00:02:17.729 it was a special guest, man. I was, I was, I 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:21.789 was taking it back. To me, to me, it was a big 00:02:21.789 --> 00:02:27.129 deal to have you on 300. Um, so, so here's the 00:02:27.129 --> 00:02:30.650 thing. When, when I, when I started podcasting, 00:02:30.650 --> 00:02:32.550 it was the wild West back then. There weren't 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:34.789 a lot of people that were doing it. And little 00:02:34.789 --> 00:02:39.330 by little people started, you came along and 00:02:39.330 --> 00:02:42.189 it was like, who's this Josh Toomey guy? You 00:02:42.189 --> 00:02:43.830 know, he's getting all these great guests, all 00:02:43.830 --> 00:02:45.669 that, you know, so I didn't know who you were. 00:02:46.110 --> 00:02:49.389 And then you see shows appear, you see shows 00:02:49.389 --> 00:02:54.310 climb over top of you. And then at the time, 00:02:54.310 --> 00:02:57.710 uh, I think it was shortly after you started 00:02:57.710 --> 00:03:00.889 doing stuff with, uh, with not fast, if I'm not 00:03:00.889 --> 00:03:05.819 mistaken. And, uh, yeah. To me, that was, to 00:03:05.819 --> 00:03:08.159 me, that was a big deal. I mean, I've never met 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.560 you. Um, we've always been very cordial online 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.280 with one another. We've always, I mean, I would 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.659 consider you a brother in podcasting, you know? 00:03:17.740 --> 00:03:21.240 Absolutely. Yeah. And to me, that was a big deal 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.439 to when that happened to say, Hey, you know, 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:29.219 one of my guys is, you know, jump to a platform 00:03:29.219 --> 00:03:32.210 like that. That's, that's a big deal. You know, 00:03:32.210 --> 00:03:36.590 and to me, I, you know, I was, I wanted someone 00:03:36.590 --> 00:03:40.509 for episode 300. I wanted someone to end that 00:03:40.509 --> 00:03:43.009 era of the show. I was kind of getting tired 00:03:43.009 --> 00:03:47.530 of asking people and reassuring them that it 00:03:47.530 --> 00:03:50.069 had nothing to do with the Mars attacks, uh, 00:03:50.370 --> 00:03:54.569 movie. And also that's a, you know, that's copywritten 00:03:54.569 --> 00:03:58.289 by tops and, you know, whatever. I didn't want 00:03:58.289 --> 00:04:01.150 to run into any. stuff regarding that down the 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:03.310 road. And I was like, look, I already called 00:04:03.310 --> 00:04:05.129 the live stream signals from Mars. Let's just 00:04:05.129 --> 00:04:08.069 call everything signals from Mars and, and move 00:04:08.069 --> 00:04:11.810 on from that. It probably hurt me to an extent 00:04:11.810 --> 00:04:15.849 with social media and stuff like that. Um, but 00:04:15.849 --> 00:04:20.990 you know, it is, it is what it is. Um, I'm happy 00:04:20.990 --> 00:04:23.529 doing what I'm doing. How about that? Yeah, absolutely, 00:04:23.750 --> 00:04:26.329 man. You know, it's, it's wild how, you know, 00:04:26.350 --> 00:04:29.680 we're all peers in all of this, you know, you 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.579 know you and decibel geek and cobras and fire 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:35.100 and and just all of the shows over the years 00:04:35.100 --> 00:04:37.360 and it's like we're all bros but at the same 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.680 time we're all like what guests are they getting 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.439 you know who are they talking to what you know 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.060 what uh what download number they got here oh 00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:47.220 they got two blabbermouth articles in a row you 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:48.980 know i don't know if that's me or if that's everybody 00:04:48.980 --> 00:04:51.699 but you know i definitely uh you know keep an 00:04:51.699 --> 00:04:53.779 eye on that which is which is good because it 00:04:53.779 --> 00:04:55.740 kind of keeps a fire kind of burning under you 00:04:55.740 --> 00:04:57.930 too you know you don't get too complacent you 00:04:57.930 --> 00:05:00.029 know, you have something to strive for. You know, 00:05:00.069 --> 00:05:01.810 I see shows now, I mean, like there'll, there'll 00:05:01.810 --> 00:05:03.810 be like brand new shows that come out of nowhere 00:05:03.810 --> 00:05:06.389 that just, you know, surpass all of us, you know, 00:05:06.389 --> 00:05:08.129 and like, they'll just, they'll just hit the, 00:05:08.129 --> 00:05:10.930 hit the thing. Right. Or, um, you know, one of 00:05:10.930 --> 00:05:13.610 the most successful dudes kind of doing it by 00:05:13.610 --> 00:05:16.310 himself is, uh, is Brian over there at rock feed. 00:05:16.709 --> 00:05:19.089 And, you know, he built that thing from, from 00:05:19.089 --> 00:05:22.329 nothing to, you know, he's doing crazy stuff 00:05:22.329 --> 00:05:26.149 now. And he's still, as far as I know, he's still, 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:28.939 solo you know he's not he doesn't have any crazy 00:05:28.939 --> 00:05:30.939 backing he doesn't you know he's not affiliated 00:05:30.939 --> 00:05:34.819 with anybody um and you know he's just he's just 00:05:34.819 --> 00:05:37.500 a hard worker put his nose down and put you know 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:40.339 put out some great content day after day and 00:05:40.339 --> 00:05:43.959 you know now he's doing you know basically mtv 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.199 cribs style stuff on his channel where he's going 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.399 to you know five finger death punch house and 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.180 the tech nines compound and things like that 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:53.220 so so like he's kind of the the dude that you 00:05:53.220 --> 00:05:56.139 know I saw behind me and then all of a sudden, 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.939 you know, just like, like straight to the stars, 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.180 man. But he's, he's a good dude. I met him once 00:06:01.180 --> 00:06:04.459 and in real life and a super nice guy. And anytime 00:06:04.459 --> 00:06:06.459 I've, you know, had a question for him or, you 00:06:06.459 --> 00:06:09.100 know, he'll, he'll throw out some, uh, words 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:11.680 my way too. So, so it's good to have, have him 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.800 kind of in the bro category too. Um, but yeah, 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.740 I mean, not so much in the podcasting world lately, 00:06:17.740 --> 00:06:19.639 but I mean, a lot of the guitar YouTubers are 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.149 kind of, you know, calling it quits and Nick 00:06:22.149 --> 00:06:24.149 nocturnal. And those guys are kind of throwing 00:06:24.149 --> 00:06:26.490 in the towel and, and, you know, it gets to a 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:30.250 point, I guess, where you just kind of, you know, 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:32.250 like, what do you do next? Or you get burnt out 00:06:32.250 --> 00:06:35.290 or, you know, um, you know, what's the next thing? 00:06:35.329 --> 00:06:37.189 I mean, honestly, even this, this year, like 00:06:37.189 --> 00:06:40.009 January, I was talking to my wife about, um, 00:06:40.250 --> 00:06:42.509 you know, this'll be 10 years of talk to me. 00:06:42.750 --> 00:06:44.910 Uh, and I was like, you know what, 10 years, 00:06:44.949 --> 00:06:48.050 good number go out on top and, you know, I'm 00:06:48.050 --> 00:06:50.899 kind of burnt out. And then I do a podcast with 00:06:50.899 --> 00:06:54.019 David Ellison. And after the episode, I was like, 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:55.480 hey, man, you ever thought about doing your own 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.480 podcast? And he's like, you know, I've talked 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.079 about it and blah, blah, blah. And I kind of 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.939 pitched him an idea. It's not necessarily what 00:07:02.939 --> 00:07:06.000 we do now, but I pitched him an idea. And he's 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:07.480 like, man, that sounds awesome. Yeah, let's do 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.579 that. And he's like, you know, I'm going to NAMM. 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:13.379 I'm doing this stuff, the other thing. You know, 00:07:13.379 --> 00:07:15.279 let's talk when I get back. And as soon as he 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.000 was done with a couple of things he had to do. 00:07:17.470 --> 00:07:19.089 you know, I kind of had some graphics together 00:07:19.089 --> 00:07:21.529 and, you know, actually it was his idea to bring 00:07:21.529 --> 00:07:23.329 on guests. Like I was just going to have a David 00:07:23.329 --> 00:07:25.670 Ellison centric podcast, talk about Megadeth 00:07:25.670 --> 00:07:28.389 history, talk about his history, what's going 00:07:28.389 --> 00:07:30.089 on with his life, things like that. And he was, 00:07:30.089 --> 00:07:31.689 he was the one that wanted to bring on guests. 00:07:31.870 --> 00:07:37.389 So, um, it was kind of funny to, to, you know, 00:07:37.389 --> 00:07:39.689 how he kind of came from not, not doing podcasts. 00:07:39.790 --> 00:07:41.930 He's a great podcast guest, as you know, he'll 00:07:41.930 --> 00:07:45.550 talk to you, you know, your head off. Um, and 00:07:45.550 --> 00:07:47.800 that's kind of what I told him. I was like, i 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:49.660 was like you know you're a great talker you you 00:07:49.660 --> 00:07:52.100 have great stories you you know blabbermouth 00:07:52.100 --> 00:07:54.600 picks up every single thing that you do it's 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:55.920 like why don't you get you know why don't you 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.360 get paid for that why don't you keep all that 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.540 good stuff for yourself and uh that was kind 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:03.319 of the basis behind the podcast but uh but yeah 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.060 it's it's been it's been rejuvenating kind of 00:08:07.060 --> 00:08:08.399 doing that and i get you know kind of like what 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:10.339 you're talking about you know kind of ending 00:08:10.339 --> 00:08:13.079 mars attacks going full -time signals from mars 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.319 just kind of You kind of got to mix it up a little 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:16.839 bit. You know, you can't just be doing the same 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.279 thing each and every week for God knows how long 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.480 we've all been doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:29.300 for me, 16 years. Yeah. So it's yeah. I mean, 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.000 I've had people, especially specifically in the 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:33.759 last few years, tell me, well, you know, your 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.580 numbers are down because you don't interview 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:39.809 enough people. And my whole thing is I want to 00:08:39.809 --> 00:08:42.309 make sure that this is still fun. So I'm still, 00:08:42.309 --> 00:08:44.649 you know, talking to people about music. We're 00:08:44.649 --> 00:08:47.450 doing the, you know, I hit you up for different 00:08:47.450 --> 00:08:49.929 album countdowns or stuff like that that we do 00:08:49.929 --> 00:08:53.549 to have you vote on stuff. And I get a kick out 00:08:53.549 --> 00:08:55.629 of all that stuff because that's kind of the 00:08:55.629 --> 00:08:58.210 conversations that I had as a kid with all my 00:08:58.210 --> 00:09:01.529 friends, you know, collecting music and getting 00:09:01.529 --> 00:09:04.200 into bands and finding out. who Megadeth was, 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:11.940 who Anthrax was, you know? So to me, it's almost 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:15.899 therapeutic as well, where, where you, no matter 00:09:15.899 --> 00:09:19.039 how crappy your day is, you're like, all right, 00:09:19.059 --> 00:09:21.799 but I'm going to talk about, you know, this album 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:23.679 tonight, or we're going to talk about current 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.080 events. And there's this one thing that I really 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.440 want to talk about, or this band set list or 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.179 whatever. And it really kind of keeps things 00:09:31.179 --> 00:09:34.980 going. And, I'm, I'm there with you checking 00:09:34.980 --> 00:09:36.700 out. Well, why did they get on blabbermouth? 00:09:36.779 --> 00:09:41.379 And my interview did. So you think you have some 00:09:41.379 --> 00:09:44.519 gold that's just going to break the metal news 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.100 cycle. And then, and then, but they, they might 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:48.799 pick up something else from the podcast. You're 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:50.480 like, why would he pick up that part of the podcast? 00:09:50.539 --> 00:09:52.120 Like, why are they not focused on the, on the 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.320 part that I thought was, was the crazy part. 00:09:54.419 --> 00:09:56.159 So yeah, it's, it's definitely a crap shoot. 00:09:56.259 --> 00:09:57.779 If they're going to pick up something from your 00:09:57.779 --> 00:10:00.799 show, what they pick up, how crazy it'll go. 00:10:01.389 --> 00:10:03.809 It was funny. I did, um, I've been using like 00:10:03.809 --> 00:10:05.830 Opus clips, you know, kind of getting the clips 00:10:05.830 --> 00:10:07.389 together and things like that. I think you, I 00:10:07.389 --> 00:10:09.269 think you use something like that too. Yeah. 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:12.509 But, um, um, about a year ago, I, you know, you 00:10:12.509 --> 00:10:15.309 run the podcast through it and it spits out, 00:10:15.330 --> 00:10:19.289 you know, 20 clips and, and, uh, I, I didn't 00:10:19.289 --> 00:10:23.429 realize that the guest had said something that 00:10:23.429 --> 00:10:25.990 was kind of controversial, not, you know, crazy 00:10:25.990 --> 00:10:30.730 controversial, but it was, um, uh was it phil 00:10:30.730 --> 00:10:33.870 from all the remains had said that corn like 00:10:33.870 --> 00:10:36.870 you know was it like corn created death chorus 00:10:36.870 --> 00:10:39.210 something weird like that but like the opus clips 00:10:39.210 --> 00:10:41.269 popped it out i was like oh shit i didn't realize 00:10:41.269 --> 00:10:43.690 he said it like that and so like i took that 00:10:43.690 --> 00:10:45.769 clip you know transcribed her real quick and 00:10:45.769 --> 00:10:47.690 sent that out and it like you know went everywhere 00:10:47.690 --> 00:10:51.149 but it's funny how sometimes you don't even hear 00:10:51.149 --> 00:10:54.929 the people say that the major clip that comes 00:10:54.929 --> 00:10:57.840 out you know because either a you don't hear 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:59.820 it or b you're you're getting ready for the next 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:02.419 question you know like things like that and even 00:11:02.419 --> 00:11:04.299 in the edit you know because i always go through 00:11:04.299 --> 00:11:06.600 i do like one you know one quick run through 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.220 uh just to make sure there's nothing crazy going 00:11:09.220 --> 00:11:11.860 on and uh sometimes you even miss it there and 00:11:11.860 --> 00:11:14.620 then yeah so sometimes even so ai will spit it 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:16.840 back to you like no dummy you know there was 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.179 your there was your gold right there yeah but 00:11:19.179 --> 00:11:22.539 uh but yeah it's been it's been crazy it it is 00:11:22.539 --> 00:11:26.179 uh interesting to see what what gets picked up 00:11:26.429 --> 00:11:30.009 Yeah. Like you said, I mean, I've had several 00:11:30.009 --> 00:11:31.990 interviews with John Bush over the years. He's 00:11:31.990 --> 00:11:34.450 been on the show more than anyone else. I think 00:11:34.450 --> 00:11:39.990 him and Eric probably. And. Words like that. 00:11:40.029 --> 00:11:42.370 I've got gold. He's said he's going to be playing 00:11:42.370 --> 00:11:44.669 old anthrax songs. He's going to be getting a 00:11:44.669 --> 00:11:47.789 band together, doing this, doing that. Nothing 00:11:47.789 --> 00:11:52.149 crickets. Right. To me, that's huge news. You 00:11:52.149 --> 00:11:56.269 know, apparently. Not huge enough, but then there's 00:11:56.269 --> 00:11:59.529 another time where I interviewed him. I think 00:11:59.529 --> 00:12:01.809 it was the first time I interviewed him. And 00:12:01.809 --> 00:12:05.450 there was something that I had transcribed and 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:08.129 I was like, this is it. Boom, this is going to 00:12:08.129 --> 00:12:11.490 be everywhere. And then what they use is completely 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:16.269 different. I always remembered it was the headline 00:12:16.269 --> 00:12:19.769 they used was it made no sense for me to join 00:12:19.769 --> 00:12:21.789 Metallica. It made all the sense in the world 00:12:21.789 --> 00:12:25.850 for me to join Anthrax. And I was like, okay, 00:12:26.009 --> 00:12:29.389 I get it why they did it, but I would have gone 00:12:29.389 --> 00:12:31.490 with this other thing. I guess I'm just not, 00:12:31.529 --> 00:12:38.049 you know, not smart enough in the marketing side 00:12:38.049 --> 00:12:42.570 of things to pull that type of stuff out. Well, 00:12:42.669 --> 00:12:45.330 there's always kind of the running joke of all 00:12:45.330 --> 00:12:48.330 those metal sites, you know, what it takes to 00:12:48.330 --> 00:12:51.279 run one of those. And it's like there's Metallica, 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:53.279 there's Slipknot, there's Tool. Like you write 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.820 a story about any of those three bands, you're 00:12:55.820 --> 00:12:57.820 going to pay the bills. And everything else is 00:12:57.820 --> 00:12:59.580 just kind of, you know, chump change when it 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:02.039 comes to that. So it's like I always I noticed 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.559 for a long time if I could get like X member 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.039 or, you know, this this member of a band to say 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.940 this about Metallica, you're going to get a headline, 00:13:11.139 --> 00:13:14.240 you know. And then I think there's Mike Z out 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.259 there. Mike Z rocks the radio station out there. 00:13:17.620 --> 00:13:20.070 He's in like the Inland Empire. But his final 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:23.429 question on every radio interview is like, what's 00:13:23.429 --> 00:13:26.370 your favorite Metallica album and why? And so 00:13:26.370 --> 00:13:28.909 you'll see that a lot. It'll be like, you know, 00:13:28.909 --> 00:13:30.929 Gene Hoagland says that, and Justice for All 00:13:30.929 --> 00:13:34.049 is my favorite, you know, Metallica album. And 00:13:34.049 --> 00:13:37.570 it's like, he's almost like guaranteed, you know, 00:13:37.570 --> 00:13:39.730 a blabbermouth headline with every interview 00:13:39.730 --> 00:13:44.330 he does. That's smart. That's, that's, that's, 00:13:44.330 --> 00:13:49.919 and that's funny because I follow, various podcasting 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.379 trend podcasts. And that's not the type of thing 00:13:53.379 --> 00:13:55.779 that they talk about. You know, they talk about 00:13:55.779 --> 00:14:01.740 getting funding for shows and, you know, how 00:14:01.740 --> 00:14:06.240 to, you know, a lot of the stuff that they talk 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:09.000 about, I don't think applies to what we do because 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:12.899 I think our fans that we go after so niche that 00:14:12.899 --> 00:14:18.019 pop stuff. Doesn't always apply. And when I mean 00:14:18.019 --> 00:14:21.360 pop, I don't really mean music, but popular culture 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:25.299 or what's going on with what makes someone an 00:14:25.299 --> 00:14:28.179 influencer or whatever. It doesn't necessarily 00:14:28.179 --> 00:14:33.200 translate to to what we're doing. I think about 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:38.980 a few months ago, there was a discussion on Facebook. 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:43.980 I think it was where they asked. why are they 00:14:43.980 --> 00:14:46.779 had questioned that kisses I was made for loving 00:14:46.779 --> 00:14:49.139 you, I think had surpassed like a billion plays 00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:53.879 on Spotify. And there were people calling bullshit 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.019 on that saying, Oh, well, Def Leppard obviously 00:14:56.019 --> 00:14:59.100 has to have more plays than them because of pour 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.519 some sugar on me and this and that. And my response 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:08.419 to this was, um, when all of you people, my age, 00:15:09.149 --> 00:15:12.110 50 and above are criticizing them for doing Hello 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:18.590 Kitty, Scooby -Doo, being in what movie? The 00:15:18.590 --> 00:15:21.350 Fall Guy movie was the big one that came out 00:15:21.350 --> 00:15:24.629 last year where that song is plastered all over 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:30.389 that movie. Yeah. There's a reason why they do 00:15:30.389 --> 00:15:33.210 that stuff. And there's a reason why they're 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:36.230 catering to a different audience because of that. 00:15:36.549 --> 00:15:40.240 Whereas. If you look at Def Leppard's audience 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:45.019 and no knock on them, but just kind of facts, 00:15:45.139 --> 00:15:51.840 people, how, what percentage of people in their 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:56.799 late forties and up that are music fans are on 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:01.220 Spotify, are on Apple music, as opposed to still 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:06.220 using CDs, some even using cassettes still. it's 00:16:06.220 --> 00:16:09.720 more of a marketing thing where certain bands 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.120 are smart enough. Metallica with stranger things, 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.139 for example, getting massive puppets in there 00:16:15.139 --> 00:16:21.860 to, to, to the point where kids are finding out 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:24.659 about bands through this stuff. And that's why 00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:28.019 these bands have millions of streams now, as 00:16:28.019 --> 00:16:31.000 opposed to other bands that have largely ignored 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:35.220 it. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I was talking to you 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:36.899 a minute ago about going to see Ace last night 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:40.840 and, you know, my wife went and I told her, I 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:43.259 was like, you know, Ace Frehley is one of the 00:16:43.259 --> 00:16:45.500 reasons I play music. Probably one of the main 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:47.360 reasons I wanted to be a rock star, you know, 00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:50.620 try to be a rock star was I just thought Ace 00:16:50.620 --> 00:16:53.059 was the coolest thing ever when I was nine, you 00:16:53.059 --> 00:16:55.039 know, and I, I had a couple of older cousins 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.539 that had Kiss records and, and they show, and 00:16:57.539 --> 00:17:00.320 this is in, you know, late eighties. So, you 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.240 know, they were already out of makeup, but I 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.579 got into makeup Kiss. as a nine, 10 year old, 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.119 because I thought there was the coolest thing 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:09.940 I'd ever seen. I thought kiss meets the family. 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:12.480 The park was a great movie, you know, like all 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.960 that stuff. And, you know, because they're larger 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:16.880 than life superheroes that also played music. 00:17:17.019 --> 00:17:20.319 And so like you're saying kids now, you know, 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:22.680 getting into them with Scooby -Doo and hello 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.420 kitty and all that nonsense. I mean, you know, 00:17:24.420 --> 00:17:26.279 there's, there's that nine, 10 year old kid that's 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.400 saw them with a hello kitty thing or saw them 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.700 on a, on a cartoon or something. And, um, and 00:17:32.700 --> 00:17:36.220 yeah, so it's, it's, it's generational to kind 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:38.339 of, kind of keep moving along. I mean, I even, 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:40.279 you know, the, the farewell tour, I took my, 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.279 he was the four years old at the time. I took 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.299 my four year old to see it. And as we were, you 00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:49.559 know, leaving the venue, you know, I was like, 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:50.900 what was your favorite part of the show? And 00:17:50.900 --> 00:17:54.059 he goes, he goes when, uh, and he was good with 00:17:54.059 --> 00:17:55.339 names already, but he was like, we know, you 00:17:55.339 --> 00:17:57.000 know, when Gene licked his base, you know, he, 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:59.259 he pulled it up and he licked up the thing and 00:17:59.259 --> 00:18:00.319 he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.660 seen. So it's like, Now that stuff translates, 00:18:02.779 --> 00:18:04.859 you know, unfortunately pour some sugar on me. 00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:07.759 It's not, you know, my, my kids aren't going 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:09.299 to be like, you know, that song is pretty good. 00:18:09.339 --> 00:18:10.799 You know, they're only going to get into it because 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.559 of the song and not necessarily how cool Joe 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.319 Elliot is or something. You know, they're going 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.119 to get into, they're going to get into kiss because 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.680 of the theatrics and the looks and the flying 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.500 and the space and the fire and all that other 00:18:23.500 --> 00:18:27.180 nonsense. And, and so, yeah, it's, it's. i can 00:18:27.180 --> 00:18:29.880 see it is wild that you know i was made for loving 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.500 you it turns out to be one of their biggest songs 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:34.759 of all time but right uh you know we're all hardcores 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.539 are like oh you know detroit rock city or something's 00:18:37.539 --> 00:18:39.660 way cooler but yeah i mean you know i was made 00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:42.799 for it's such a it's such a panned song in their 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.839 career and they were kind of trend jumping like 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.740 they they tended to do later in the career but 00:18:47.740 --> 00:18:51.799 it i guess it ended up working uh all these years 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:56.940 later sure yeah no um For me, it's the same story, 00:18:56.980 --> 00:18:59.920 to be honest with you. I was four, my brother 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:02.140 had a live too, and there's a booklet in there 00:19:02.140 --> 00:19:04.960 that was called, I think it was called The Evolution 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:08.440 of Kiss or something along those lines. And I 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:10.779 remember opening it to the page that was dedicated 00:19:10.779 --> 00:19:13.400 to Ace, this big picture of Ace with a smoking 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.900 guitar. And I was like, what is this? You know, 00:19:16.900 --> 00:19:20.619 and instantly, boom, I'm podcasting all these 00:19:20.619 --> 00:19:25.240 years later, seeing that picture. We were in 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.859 London late last year, and we had to go to these 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:33.819 gates where Kiss took pictures at. It was one 00:19:33.819 --> 00:19:38.759 of these things. So I'm right there with you. 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:44.160 The last time I saw Ace was for my honeymoon. 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.380 We happened to be in L .A., and he was playing 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:50.880 at the Viper Room. And we're waiting in line 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.849 to get in the Viper Room. And all of a sudden, 00:19:54.869 --> 00:19:58.490 I'm seeing Fieldy from Korn walking towards us. 00:19:59.230 --> 00:20:03.109 The suitcase, because Ace's show was the end 00:20:03.109 --> 00:20:06.769 of the Sunset Strip Music Festival, I think it 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:08.970 was called. Something along those lines. And 00:20:08.970 --> 00:20:12.710 it was Korn, and it was Ozzy, and Ace was kind 00:20:12.710 --> 00:20:15.150 of the closer. Everyone else had played out on 00:20:15.150 --> 00:20:21.450 the strip, but Ace was playing in the club. So 00:20:21.450 --> 00:20:24.630 Fieldy comes up to the crowd and says, what's 00:20:24.630 --> 00:20:27.630 this line for? It's not for Ace Frehley. And 00:20:27.630 --> 00:20:31.309 he goes, Ace Frehley? Really? Seriously? He just 00:20:31.309 --> 00:20:36.430 walks to his car, drives off. Monkey comes by 00:20:36.430 --> 00:20:40.690 like 10 minutes later. I don't know who it was 00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:44.700 with him, but he had. a woman under each of his 00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:47.700 arms and someone else. So he was walking with 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:50.500 three women gets into a suburban or actually 00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:54.180 before he gets into the, into the suburban says, 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.000 uh, kind of the same thing. Who's, you know, 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.640 who you guys waiting to see? We're like, he's 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:00.619 really, he's paying out the Viper. Oh wow. That's 00:21:00.619 --> 00:21:02.279 cool. That's awesome. You guys going to have 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.900 a great time. And you know, he high fived a few 00:21:05.900 --> 00:21:08.160 people signed a few things, got in the suburban 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:14.380 and, and left. And, um, uh, That show actually 00:21:14.380 --> 00:21:17.279 Slash got up on stage with him and played Colgen. 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.319 And George Lopez, the comedian, actually introed 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.400 the show. Right. It was neat. It was a neat experience. 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.480 Probably much better than what we saw last night. 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:35.079 So David and I had Rudy Sarzo on the podcast 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.599 a couple days ago for the Back to the Beginning 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.279 kind of recap. We had him and Mike Borden on 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.259 together. dream team of lineup right there. And 00:21:45.259 --> 00:21:48.079 if you, you know, if you listen to the podcast, 00:21:48.140 --> 00:21:51.700 which I honestly, in the 10 years of podcasting, 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:54.440 that's going to be top five interview of all 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.480 time. I don't think Mike Borden and Rudy Sarzo 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.359 have ever really talked about their individual 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.539 time in Aussie. I don't know how much time they've 00:22:03.539 --> 00:22:07.119 spent around each other. So like, and the only 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.859 pushback on the episode was Mike does cut people 00:22:09.859 --> 00:22:12.220 off a little bit. but Mike had a lot of questions 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:14.500 for Rudy. So honestly, it's funny at one point, 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.440 me and David are just sitting back kind of listening 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:20.240 as, as Mike is kind of interviewing Rudy and, 00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:24.599 uh, and, and, but you know, Rudy obviously, uh, 00:22:24.819 --> 00:22:27.660 in quiet, right, quiet, right. Open for ace freely 00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:30.039 last night. So I got a nice little hookup. Um, 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.220 Rudy Sarzo, I think it was 74 years old. Fucking. 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:39.059 If if I'm half as cool as that at 74, like sign 00:22:39.059 --> 00:22:41.519 me up now, because I mean, he came out there. 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:44.779 They opened the show. He came out there. I don't 00:22:44.779 --> 00:22:46.799 think he stopped moving the entire time he was 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:48.599 out there. He's playing the bass on his head, 00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:50.720 playing the bass up from under here, playing 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:52.799 the bass over the neck. I mean, he was he was 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.380 doing things that I've never seen anybody do 00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:57.500 with a bass guitar. And obviously being a bass 00:22:57.500 --> 00:23:01.099 player, that's that's a huge thing to to see 00:23:01.099 --> 00:23:02.619 somebody doing something I've never seen before, 00:23:02.740 --> 00:23:04.500 man. But I mean, he was rocking the whole time. 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.640 They do a little bit of a crazy train. Uh, Johnny 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.440 Kelly plays drums for them. So they do a little 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.920 bit of a black number one and a little, a little 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.740 part. So it was kind of cool to kind of see that 00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:16.299 little, uh, uh, you know, shout out to typo negative 00:23:16.299 --> 00:23:19.420 too. But so, so Rudy comes out there, just crushes, 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:23.920 um, slaughter was up next. And, you know, I know 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.160 two slaughter songs. Like I just was never a 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.319 slaughter fan. So, I mean, they did like a 20 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.880 minute version of fly to the angels, which was 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.579 fine, you know, and then they did, uh, uh, whatever 00:23:33.579 --> 00:23:36.799 the other. Up All Night Sleep but yeah whatever 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.220 it's called I mean those two songs crush I mean 00:23:39.220 --> 00:23:42.880 honestly they were Mark Slaughter still got it 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:44.720 you know Blossom Light or not Blossom Light but 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:48.339 Dana Strom up there you know kicking ass and 00:23:48.339 --> 00:23:50.920 they still got that Zoltan drummer guy that's 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:56.099 just a showman so I mean it was all in all Slaughter 00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:58.779 put on a hell of a show for a band that I'm not 00:23:58.779 --> 00:24:04.339 too too familiar with of that era band And I 00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:07.019 feel so bad for Ace's band because, you know, 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.900 Jeremy and the other guy, you know, that's kind 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:12.420 of been around the Nashville scene for a long 00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.000 time, always been staples of the Nashville rock 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.140 and pod. They did the, what is it, the rock and 00:24:18.140 --> 00:24:20.420 roll residency in Nashville. They got picked 00:24:20.420 --> 00:24:22.839 up as Gene's band years ago, and then now they're 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.339 Ace's band. And, you know, they're hell of musicians, 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:31.740 seeming to be great dudes. And they start the 00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.450 first song of the set last night. And for about 00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:38.609 20 seconds, I was super pumped to see Ace Frehley. 00:24:38.670 --> 00:24:40.890 I've seen him live a few times. And so I'm not 00:24:40.890 --> 00:24:43.490 like, I even joked kind of going into the show. 00:24:43.690 --> 00:24:45.750 I'm like, oh, here we go to see Ace kind of fuck 00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:48.630 up Kiss songs. But I said that tongue in cheek 00:24:48.630 --> 00:24:49.970 thinking that, you know, I mean, I know he's 00:24:49.970 --> 00:24:52.430 not, he's not a hundred percent when it comes 00:24:52.430 --> 00:24:54.089 to guitar playing these days, but he's still 00:24:54.089 --> 00:24:56.190 good. And it's still fun to hear those songs. 00:24:56.589 --> 00:25:00.710 But man, he comes out, he like stumbles to the 00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:05.259 mic. He's like. He's just kind of just strumming 00:25:05.259 --> 00:25:10.660 around on the guitar. And it was, even my wife, 00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:13.500 who's not a KISS fan, she just loves music. She 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:15.660 was even like, something's not right here. You 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.680 know, she knew something wasn't right. And he 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.539 was slurring his words and he was off a little 00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:23.660 bit. They did, you know, one of my favorite A 00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:26.619 songs of all time is Rock Soldiers. And I just, 00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:29.500 it's a silly song or whatever, but he just came 00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:32.000 up and he was kind of. which i guess he does 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.279 on the recording he kind of just talks the verses 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:37.779 but he was off he was like a beat behind and 00:25:37.779 --> 00:25:40.819 and the band was like trying to save it i think 00:25:40.819 --> 00:25:43.180 we lasted four or five songs and i was just like 00:25:43.180 --> 00:25:45.799 i don't i don't want this to be the lasting memory 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.619 of ace freely for me yeah yeah because he came 00:25:48.619 --> 00:25:51.400 out he was he was trying to do the cool ace moves 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.319 and stuff and he was just a little bit off and 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:58.480 they would the you know the uh sound guy would 00:25:58.910 --> 00:26:01.609 crank his guitar on guitar solos too it was like 00:26:01.609 --> 00:26:03.730 it was normal and then you knew ace's guitar 00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:06.609 solo was coming so they would crank it up and 00:26:06.609 --> 00:26:09.029 uh and honestly it sounded like someone picking 00:26:09.029 --> 00:26:11.430 up a guitar that doesn't know how to play guitar 00:26:11.430 --> 00:26:13.769 and like act like their guitar so you know like 00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:15.710 they're soloing you know where they just like 00:26:15.710 --> 00:26:19.329 you know they're doing that nonsense i was i 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:21.930 was blown away about how how bad he's gotten 00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:24.680 i'm like and i'm typically not like Somebody 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.279 needs to get him off the road. You know, somebody 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.640 needs to set him down. And, but yeah, I think 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.759 that, I think really they should, someone should 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:35.920 stop ace and be like, you got to stop this. Like 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.859 get yourself some help, have the redemption tour, 00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:42.460 you know, sober up. I mean, he, his head was 00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:45.500 down. He had sunglasses on. It was 10 30 at night. 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:50.539 you know the wigs looking rough it was just sad 00:26:50.539 --> 00:26:52.920 to see and you hate to see your heroes go out 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.079 like that especially after you see Rudy Sarzo 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.039 up there crushing Slaughter, Mark Slaughter and 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.160 all those guys up there just killing it and then 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.920 Ace comes out just shits the bed but the thing 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.619 is all the way back to what we were talking about 00:27:05.619 --> 00:27:09.140 earlier with Kiss and their fans and the merchandising 00:27:09.140 --> 00:27:11.259 and everything else merch line was as long as 00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:14.799 you could see Once it died down, we walked over 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.140 there to kind of see what was going on. All the 00:27:17.140 --> 00:27:19.940 shirts were 50 bucks each $50 t -shirts. Wow. 00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:22.240 Everybody walking around with two or three of 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.259 them on their shoulder, you know, a $500 VIP 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:27.099 meet and greet, which I don't know what that 00:27:27.099 --> 00:27:30.720 gets you. And you know, it was an out, it was 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.980 a, it's a small outdoor amphitheater probably 00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:35.740 holds a few thousand. I don't, I don't know how 00:27:35.740 --> 00:27:38.359 many people were there. Probably. I mean, probably 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.839 a little bit under a thousand, maybe 500 to 700. 00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:44.049 I don't know. Um, but everybody had a shirt, 00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:47.250 everybody had something like it wasn't. So, I 00:27:47.250 --> 00:27:52.029 mean, what's ACEs, uh, what do you, what do you 00:27:52.029 --> 00:27:54.150 call it? What's ACEs, uh, you know, reason to 00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:55.609 get off tour. It's like, if people are going 00:27:55.609 --> 00:27:58.269 to spend that kind of money. Yeah. And I, and 00:27:58.269 --> 00:28:00.670 I bet on all, in all honesty, I bet if you look 00:28:00.670 --> 00:28:03.849 online at the groups and stuff today, 95 % of 00:28:03.849 --> 00:28:05.930 the kids fans, but oh man, he crushed last night. 00:28:06.289 --> 00:28:08.589 ACE was so good, man. Keep rocking, keep rocking, 00:28:08.670 --> 00:28:11.900 bro. You know, all that stuff. Um, so, so he, 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:13.619 he doesn't really have any need to get off the 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:16.720 road and, and to get himself clean. But there 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.539 was a, there was a row of like dudes in front 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.160 of us and they were all wearing their ACE solo 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.299 shirts and Freely's Comet shirts. And, and like, 00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:25.519 you could tell like they were bummed, like everybody 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.019 was just bummed around me. Like, except for like 00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:29.920 the drunk guy behind me, he was like, woo, you 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.279 know, but, but like for the most part, everybody 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:34.460 was just bummed last night. So I can't wait to 00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:37.160 see, I know Mike, um, um, you know, from Voltage 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.710 Chunky was there last night. And he took some 00:28:39.710 --> 00:28:41.829 video and stuff. So hopefully we'll start seeing 00:28:41.829 --> 00:28:44.289 that stuff roll out on on Instagram and stuff, 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:46.529 because in all honesty, I would love to see some 00:28:46.529 --> 00:28:50.569 some footage and be wrong and be like, oh, well, 00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:52.869 maybe I was just in a in the bad spot of the 00:28:52.869 --> 00:28:55.230 venue or something. You know, maybe I was just 00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:57.470 I was just wrong. You know, maybe Ace crushed 00:28:57.470 --> 00:28:59.490 last night and I was just in a weird vantage 00:28:59.490 --> 00:29:02.109 point. But, yeah, we just we stayed for, you 00:29:02.109 --> 00:29:04.690 know, four or five songs. And, you know, my wife 00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:06.309 had to work this morning. So I was just like, 00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:07.849 yeah, let's just get out of here. You got to 00:29:07.849 --> 00:29:11.690 get some sleep. This is silly. Yeah. That, that, 00:29:11.710 --> 00:29:14.650 that sucks though. I mean, the last time actually 00:29:14.650 --> 00:29:16.849 wasn't the last time. The first time I saw Kiss 00:29:16.849 --> 00:29:22.529 live actually was on the, um, uh, the 2000, um, 00:29:22.910 --> 00:29:26.730 what was that? Farewell, the, the farewell to 00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:31.829 Peter and Ace tour. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and 00:29:31.829 --> 00:29:34.759 I'm glad I got to see them with. And I'm going 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.279 to catch heat for this, but I'm glad I got to 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.619 see them with Tommy and with Eric years later 00:29:39.619 --> 00:29:44.740 because growing up and, you know, being a huge 00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:49.059 fan of Peter's playing and of the band, you know, 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.259 you get to see one of your heroes live and when 00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:54.740 you see they just can't do it anymore, you're 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:58.519 like, yeah, I don't, what you said, I don't want 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:02.180 this to be my last memory of this band. Right. 00:30:02.849 --> 00:30:06.950 Yeah, it was the first time I saw Kiss was 97 00:30:06.950 --> 00:30:09.970 on the reunion tour in Nashville. Actually, Chris 00:30:09.970 --> 00:30:12.730 Sinzak in attendance, too. We didn't know each 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:14.450 other at the time. We actually were both at the 00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:16.990 I think it's like 95, 30 years ago. We were at 00:30:16.990 --> 00:30:20.450 the Bad Boys of Kiss tour at a small club. It 00:30:20.450 --> 00:30:22.509 was, you know, where Peter opened for Ace. Yeah. 00:30:23.069 --> 00:30:27.230 And and I was I was, you know. pigging shit back 00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:29.289 then seeing that, you know, I had tears in my 00:30:29.289 --> 00:30:31.029 eyes when I saw the reunion tour. I never thought 00:30:31.029 --> 00:30:32.650 I would see that, you know, like I said, growing 00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.109 up in the late eighties, being a, being a big 00:30:35.109 --> 00:30:38.250 fan of the makeup era, um, you know, just thinking 00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:40.390 that that was a time of, you know, time gone 00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:43.690 by, we would never see again. Uh, so being able 00:30:43.690 --> 00:30:47.150 to go to a venue and see, you know, kiss up there, 00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:50.250 full makeup amps everywhere. I think they were 00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:52.609 still, it was still pretty fresh in the, in the 00:30:52.609 --> 00:30:54.269 reunion. So I'm pretty sure they were still playing 00:30:54.269 --> 00:30:58.759 well. Um, but yes, I saw him then. And then I 00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:00.900 saw him, I guess on the, yeah, I guess the only 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.819 other time I saw them was the, uh, the act of 00:31:04.819 --> 00:31:06.420 the farewell tour or whatever, a couple of years 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:09.160 ago. Right. Um, I've seen ACE a couple of times 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.640 solo because I, like I said, ACE was always my 00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.220 favorite member. Um, you know, probably ACE followed 00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:20.140 by Gene probably. Um, I like Ace's voice. I think 00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:22.319 he has a cool singing voice. You know, he was 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.519 cracking some jokes last night. You know, he 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.059 was he was trying to trying to crack some jokes, 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:29.019 but he was still slurred his speech a little 00:31:29.019 --> 00:31:31.660 bit. He's like, oh, they put me up in the presidential 00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:34.140 suite. And, you know, we're here in Louisville, 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.099 Kentucky, you know, Churchill Downs and the horses 00:31:36.099 --> 00:31:39.000 and all that nonsense. He's like, he goes every. 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:42.259 Every photo in this place is a horse. He kept 00:31:42.259 --> 00:31:44.779 saying a horse, you know, with the, with the 00:31:44.779 --> 00:31:47.660 strong, you know, Brooklyn accident horses everywhere. 00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.200 I want to see a horse, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.619 it's just, I said, when I saw, I saw him in like 00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:58.359 2016, I thought he was pretty good at, you know, 00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.640 the band, and this was a different band at the 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:01.839 time with him, but I thought they were pretty 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.619 good. Um, but yeah, last night I was just like, 00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:09.829 oof, man, ace, get it together, bud. Yeah. That's, 00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:15.529 that's a, a, um, constant behind the scenes comment 00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:20.589 with, uh, with Sinzak and myself is, uh, as the 00:32:20.589 --> 00:32:24.609 years have gone by with these, the over enunciation, 00:32:24.950 --> 00:32:33.589 uh, right. His words. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I 00:32:33.589 --> 00:32:35.589 mean, honestly, you know, I'll catch flack from 00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:37.789 this, from, from your, from your, you know, from 00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:39.250 people that watch you guys, but I mean, it's 00:32:39.250 --> 00:32:41.450 just like, like the back to the beginning black 00:32:41.450 --> 00:32:44.910 Sabbath thing, Bill Ward was rough. He was rough, 00:32:45.150 --> 00:32:47.970 you know? And I get that he's, you know, older 00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:51.069 and, and, but man, the tempos were so slow and 00:32:51.069 --> 00:32:53.710 he was missing the fills. And I'm just like, 00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:56.910 did he even practice for this? Or did he just 00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:59.089 get up there and think he was going to play some 00:32:59.089 --> 00:33:01.230 of these songs off, off muscle memory, you know, 00:33:01.230 --> 00:33:05.190 from four years ago. I, I unfortunately was in 00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:09.980 the middle of an, 18 hour work day. Yeah. I have 00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:14.039 not. I mean, I've watched clips online and reaching 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.900 my heart during lunch. I'm looking at my phone 00:33:17.900 --> 00:33:22.079 and there's a Facebook group with some of my, 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:27.119 um, that some of my patrons have and, and they're, 00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:30.839 Oh, wow. Uh, anthrax is playing into the void. 00:33:31.059 --> 00:33:36.259 And yeah. It's Jake and Nuno and this and that. 00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:39.539 And I'm like, I'm missing out on all of this. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.500 It was going through my head. And then one of 00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:46.200 the other coaches at the camp that I was at two 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.099 days later is like, hey, did you see the back 00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:52.400 to the beginning thing? I'm like, I was here 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.079 working 18 hours with you. I'm like, God. when 00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.859 am I going to have time? Well, have you seen 00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:00.500 it since? I'm like, it was only available till 00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:02.380 Monday. I'm like, we're here for 10 straight 00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:06.019 days. When am I going to see this? So I'm hoping 00:34:06.019 --> 00:34:10.320 that they release that on DVD or something in 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.619 the future. I mean, based on what David Elfson 00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:19.440 was saying during the podcast, he's saying that 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.539 they shot a lot of behind the scenes stuff as 00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:23.579 well. I mean, I've seen some of the stuff like 00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:27.849 what Sid Wilson. proposing to, uh, to Kelly and 00:34:27.849 --> 00:34:31.750 some other, some of the other stuff. I mean, 00:34:31.750 --> 00:34:33.989 I'm assuming that'll be released and similar 00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:40.010 deal, uh, go to charity. Um, but who knows? None 00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:42.570 of the Taylor Hawkins stuff was released. And, 00:34:42.570 --> 00:34:45.829 and I was thinking that that would have come 00:34:45.829 --> 00:34:49.349 out on DVD at some point, but it doesn't look 00:34:49.349 --> 00:34:52.130 like that's ever going to happen. I think the 00:34:52.130 --> 00:34:56.210 bet, the, The bad part of it, I think, was Black 00:34:56.210 --> 00:35:00.210 Sabbath playing after Ozzy solo because Ozzy 00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:03.329 solo, you know, Zach's up there crushing Mike 00:35:03.329 --> 00:35:06.150 and his crushing drummer is blowing the doors 00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:08.969 off everybody. You know, this is Ozzy fresh. 00:35:09.130 --> 00:35:10.909 He's doing, you know, Mama, I'm coming home. 00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:13.829 Not a dry eye in the building. You know, I'm 00:35:13.829 --> 00:35:16.230 I'm watching at home like tears in my eyes like 00:35:16.230 --> 00:35:18.389 this is because you could just tell Ozzy was 00:35:18.389 --> 00:35:21.590 he wanted to get out of that chair so bad and 00:35:21.590 --> 00:35:23.860 like. And he even says something like, you know, 00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:26.800 I've been I've been laid up for six years. I 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.960 mean, can you imagine being basically bedridden 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.579 for six years and all of a sudden you're, you 00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:34.079 know, in a in a soccer stadium playing in front 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.960 of 40, 50 ,000 people? Right. And he was you 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.079 know, he was on fire and then kind of the set 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:45.460 change. And I don't know, man, I honestly maybe 00:35:45.460 --> 00:35:47.360 if Black Sabbath would have played before Ozzie, 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.030 which would have been blasphemy. And maybe it 00:35:50.030 --> 00:35:52.389 would have left a better taste in my mouth. But 00:35:52.389 --> 00:35:54.329 yeah, it was like the tempos were so slow with 00:35:54.329 --> 00:35:56.710 Black Sabbath. And it was cool to see those four 00:35:56.710 --> 00:35:58.789 guys on stage. Don't get me wrong. But man, you 00:35:58.789 --> 00:36:01.349 can just see it in like Tony and Geezer's faces 00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:04.110 that that they were not having a good time. They 00:36:04.110 --> 00:36:07.090 were just like, let's pick it up, Bill. You know, 00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:10.210 and being in bands with over the years and not 00:36:10.210 --> 00:36:12.130 to name names of anybody. But, you know, there 00:36:12.130 --> 00:36:14.130 are certain drummers or certain people you play 00:36:14.130 --> 00:36:17.559 with. that it might suck to be stuck with them 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.380 for 50 years you know like like you know like 00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:24.420 that i know bill was great back in the day and 00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:25.900 don't get me wrong but i'm just saying like over 00:36:25.900 --> 00:36:28.420 the years maybe they lose a step or whatnot and 00:36:28.420 --> 00:36:31.900 so like the classic lineup of your band isn't 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:34.179 maybe the best lineup of your band how about 00:36:34.179 --> 00:36:37.739 right so it's just so to have to get up there 00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:39.820 with your with your boys and one of them's not 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:43.599 pulling his weight uh I guess the figuratively, 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.840 not literally. Cause once he pulls that shirt 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.500 off, you're like, Whoa, Bill, he's just up there. 00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.460 Just not giving a shit, you know, like ripping 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:52.760 the shirt off and at almost 80 years old with 00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.179 just like, he's like, but it was, it was cool 00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:57.519 to see him glad they did it. You know, I'm not 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.059 going to hate on that, but yeah, it was, it was, 00:37:00.059 --> 00:37:02.619 it was just sad to watch. Not as sad as guns 00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:05.340 and roses though. Axles that, that the, the guns 00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:08.280 and roses performance of that probably took the 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.739 cake of like, please don't ever do that again. 00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:14.610 Well, I think you got to give him credit for 00:37:14.610 --> 00:37:17.010 some of the songs that they pulled out. No, I 00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:20.349 give you that. But it's still his voice is just 00:37:20.349 --> 00:37:25.789 shot like beyond shot. But that gets back to 00:37:25.789 --> 00:37:29.869 the whole both Axl and both Bill get back to 00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:34.550 the ace comment that you made a few minutes ago 00:37:34.550 --> 00:37:37.510 where you're still going to have people online 00:37:37.510 --> 00:37:40.949 that will still argue that they're still great. 00:37:41.309 --> 00:37:43.550 they're still awesome. They're still, and it's, 00:37:43.550 --> 00:37:46.489 I get it. They're, you know, they're reliving 00:37:46.489 --> 00:37:50.670 their, the best years of their life, seeing them, 00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:53.750 you know, in concert there, they're like Al Bundy 00:37:53.750 --> 00:37:59.769 reliving all those touchdowns. But at the same 00:37:59.769 --> 00:38:04.909 time, man, it, it's, it's, it is rough. And, 00:38:04.969 --> 00:38:07.610 and guns and roses is still selling out, selling 00:38:07.610 --> 00:38:13.099 a lot of tickets. Yeah. Um, there was a social 00:38:13.099 --> 00:38:18.980 media clip that I posted. Yeah. A clip that was 00:38:18.980 --> 00:38:21.780 posted recently that I responded to earlier today, 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.199 which had to do with the fact that people were 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.420 criticizing Metallica for screwing up the beginning 00:38:28.420 --> 00:38:32.460 of a song. And someone said, well, this is what 00:38:32.460 --> 00:38:35.579 they get for changing their set list every night. 00:38:37.420 --> 00:38:40.320 And I was kind of, I was pissed. I was like, 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.300 are you serious? I'm like, you would rather see 00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:46.239 a band play the same set list night after night 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.000 after night, whereas they're playing something 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.579 different. It may give you an excuse to see them, 00:38:52.579 --> 00:38:55.239 you know, several nights on, on that tour, because 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:56.880 you're going to find, you know, you're going 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:02.639 to see something completely different. And we've 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:08.929 become so fickle with the internet where, again, 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:11.809 it gives, it gives us a voice to be podcasters, 00:39:11.809 --> 00:39:15.070 but it also gives a lot of people that shouldn't 00:39:15.070 --> 00:39:17.829 have a voice out there. The, the platform to, 00:39:17.909 --> 00:39:22.469 to rattle off dumb stuff like that. Yeah. I've, 00:39:22.489 --> 00:39:25.809 I've seen those lately of, of, you know, the, 00:39:25.929 --> 00:39:29.409 where they kind of play the bridge to master 00:39:29.409 --> 00:39:32.369 pub is a little wonky or, you know, I mean, even 00:39:32.369 --> 00:39:34.210 back in the, there's a clip I saw the other day 00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:37.159 of, uh, where James is like, what about, you 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.380 know, it's time for master of puppets. And he 00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:43.199 just like, he goes by himself. And like Lars 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.199 picks up the set list, walks over to him and 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.199 kind of as a joking thing points out that he's 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.599 supposed to be playing whiplash, but it just, 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.440 but it just shows that they're human and they're 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.059 not on a, you know, they're obviously not on 00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:57.039 a click. They're not on tracks. They're not on 00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.579 everything else. So, I mean, I, you know, I think 00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:01.820 I would rather, I would rather see that than 00:40:01.820 --> 00:40:06.170 over, you know, And I mean, honestly, they could 00:40:06.170 --> 00:40:09.949 easily put part of Lars, you know, you've seen 00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:11.550 it. You've seen those videos of like, is the 00:40:11.550 --> 00:40:13.489 drums or the, I've seen all the way down to where 00:40:13.489 --> 00:40:16.030 drums are on tracks. You know, you see, you see 00:40:16.030 --> 00:40:17.630 the drummer back there hitting stuff and he's 00:40:17.630 --> 00:40:19.530 like, wait a minute, he just hit a crash. You 00:40:19.530 --> 00:40:21.210 hear a crash, but he didn't hear, you know, hit 00:40:21.210 --> 00:40:23.329 a crash or, you know, he's doing something crazy 00:40:23.329 --> 00:40:25.349 with the double kick. You know, they could easily 00:40:25.349 --> 00:40:27.989 put, you know, Lars's double kicks on tracks 00:40:27.989 --> 00:40:29.809 and things like that, you know, just to kind 00:40:29.809 --> 00:40:33.159 of mask some of the stuff. um but they don't 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:34.880 you know they're human and they're they're playing 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.099 the songs the way that they can at 60 year old 00:40:37.099 --> 00:40:40.579 dudes and and so you know part of it's commendable 00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:43.699 part of it's like you know like we're seeing 00:40:43.699 --> 00:40:45.860 you know you and i are seeing a generation of 00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:49.639 bands that that you know like slayer and anthrax 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.400 and metallica megadeth all the thrash bands are 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.679 putting out some of their greatest material now 00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:00.250 because of technology and The way that they can 00:41:00.250 --> 00:41:02.050 record these days. I mean, some of the later, 00:41:02.050 --> 00:41:04.570 the later Testament records just sound amazing. 00:41:05.570 --> 00:41:08.250 You know, the last few Megadeth records sound 00:41:08.250 --> 00:41:10.590 awesome. You know, the last Metallica album, 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:14.409 you know, it's, it's like the technology is caught 00:41:14.409 --> 00:41:16.349 up to the music to where you can, you can get 00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:17.989 everything tight, make everything sound good. 00:41:18.369 --> 00:41:20.389 You know, cause some of those early thrash records, 00:41:20.469 --> 00:41:22.750 as much as we all love them, they sound like 00:41:22.750 --> 00:41:25.110 garbage, you know, like they're like really rough 00:41:25.110 --> 00:41:27.340 sounding. And so now that they can kind of get 00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:29.320 in there and fine tune everything they're, they're 00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:30.659 putting out some of their greatest material, 00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:34.280 but it's, but we're also seeing a generation, 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.139 you know, you watch that back to the beginning 00:41:36.139 --> 00:41:39.739 thing, you're seeing old James Hetfield and, 00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:42.940 and old Joey Belladonna and old Scott Ian, and, 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.500 you know, just everybody's getting older, but 00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:48.179 they're still, they're still held to the standard 00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:51.059 of, you know, 1988 James Hetfield and justice 00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:53.860 for all tour. and you know they're headbanging 00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:55.920 and rocking and doing this and the other thing 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.880 and sweating and everything else because you 00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.840 know when you and i you and i were growing up 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:01.679 and we're seeing like you know herman's hermits 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.880 at the fair you know they're up there just standing 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.079 still singing the thing and and and not having 00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.440 to do much or whatever version the temptations 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.699 was coming to the you know coming to the state 00:42:13.699 --> 00:42:16.780 fair things like that you know you like the generation 00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:20.030 before us their old their old guard could get 00:42:20.030 --> 00:42:22.130 away with standing there, the mamas and the papas 00:42:22.130 --> 00:42:24.309 and, you know, Jefferson airplane or whatever 00:42:24.309 --> 00:42:26.590 was coming through, you know, they didn't have 00:42:26.590 --> 00:42:30.130 to put on a energetic, crazy show. We're sweating 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:31.929 and blah, blah, blah, you know, everything going 00:42:31.929 --> 00:42:35.070 on. So, so our heroes, you know, we're, we're 00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:37.010 watching our, you know, we're watching thrash 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:39.849 metal get old, you know, like old, old, like 00:42:39.849 --> 00:42:43.289 grandpas and stuff. And it's, and it's, and it's, 00:42:43.289 --> 00:42:47.110 it's fun to watch, you know, sometimes you're 00:42:47.110 --> 00:42:49.570 like, Sometimes I'll see a photo of James Hetfield 00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:53.590 and I'm like, man, he is looking old. You never 00:42:53.590 --> 00:42:55.690 think your heroes are going to get old and then 00:42:55.690 --> 00:43:00.989 they do. It's just wild. I did a show on Friday 00:43:00.989 --> 00:43:03.769 where we talked about the Back to the Beginning 00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:07.570 show with two people that watched the entire 00:43:07.570 --> 00:43:10.849 thing. One of the things they brought up was 00:43:10.849 --> 00:43:18.920 that Metallica had played Um, damn it. Guns and 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.179 roses played junior size. Uh, it's the song after 00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:24.440 that. Johnny something, Johnny blade, Johnny 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.559 blade. Yeah. And I love the original. Uh, I was 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.360 like, I got to search this out. You know, these 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.119 guys are telling me that this was great. And 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.460 I put on you, I find it on YouTube. I, I push 00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:40.639 play. And my wife says, man, James Hetfield looks 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.530 old. Yeah. So that's what I said to her. I go, 00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:47.050 well, they are in their 60s. You know, this guy 00:43:47.050 --> 00:43:50.469 is like at least 15 years older than me. I'm 00:43:50.469 --> 00:43:53.289 like, not too bad considering all the shit that 00:43:53.289 --> 00:43:56.530 they've done. And, you know, they could be in 00:43:56.530 --> 00:44:04.349 a lot worse shape. So I've. I'm probably more 00:44:04.349 --> 00:44:07.530 lenient than I should be with them because of. 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.940 you know, how they've always kind of come across 00:44:10.940 --> 00:44:14.400 as being human to me. I mean, uh, live ship engine 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.300 purge, they have mistakes in that, that they 00:44:17.300 --> 00:44:20.960 never expected their live Metallica stuff. It's 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:26.940 boom out in two days and we're small. And they've, 00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:29.039 I mean, and I think that's part of the reason 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.760 why they're essentially the biggest metal band 00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:35.000 of all time, because they're, they've kind of 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.610 followed a tradition of, sabbath and acdc to 00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:41.550 the point of really emotionally connecting with 00:44:41.550 --> 00:44:44.190 working class people and showing that they're 00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:47.469 human and showing that you know they go through 00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:50.349 the same shit that we do and i think that's endeared 00:44:50.349 --> 00:44:55.110 them to so many people so yeah is lars playing 00:44:55.110 --> 00:44:59.110 you know uh injustice for all note for note like 00:44:59.110 --> 00:45:03.510 he did you know monsters of rock tour no absolutely 00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:08.969 not but Just like you said before, I have a vinyl 00:45:08.969 --> 00:45:11.489 album behind me. I'm not going to point to which. 00:45:13.329 --> 00:45:18.550 I saw them and the drummer that was playing was 00:45:18.550 --> 00:45:25.429 not playing live. And there were parts of certain 00:45:25.429 --> 00:45:29.650 songs where it's heavy into double bass and those 00:45:29.650 --> 00:45:33.329 drum heads were not moving. So for as much as 00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:35.650 people say, no, he was playing with a trigger. 00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:38.769 Like, yeah, you don't get how triggers work then. 00:45:39.409 --> 00:45:45.869 So, uh, that was, it's funny. I know I've, I've 00:45:45.869 --> 00:45:47.630 started to see like bands all the way down to 00:45:47.630 --> 00:45:50.530 like local bands in the clubs, you know, opening 00:45:50.530 --> 00:45:52.730 for nationals coming through that are running 00:45:52.730 --> 00:45:55.369 tracks and stuff. And I'm just like, I get up 00:45:55.369 --> 00:45:58.570 there and just play. Like we, you know, I mean, 00:45:58.590 --> 00:46:00.389 I, you know, there are certain, certain bands, 00:46:00.550 --> 00:46:02.570 certain things that I'll, I'll let slide. You 00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:05.489 know, if you've got a crazy, instrumental part 00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:08.610 you've got a crazy you know dubstep part or you 00:46:08.610 --> 00:46:10.789 know anything like that throw that on a track 00:46:10.789 --> 00:46:13.250 i'm fine with it you know but if if there's if 00:46:13.250 --> 00:46:15.150 there's if there's someone on stage that can 00:46:15.150 --> 00:46:18.670 play the part let them play the part yeah i mean 00:46:18.670 --> 00:46:21.170 i it's been 10 years ago i was one of the first 00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:24.869 times i ever saw a touring band come through 00:46:24.869 --> 00:46:27.449 and they did a quick line check you know as they 00:46:27.449 --> 00:46:28.789 were getting ready it was like all right left 00:46:28.789 --> 00:46:31.429 stage guitar to jump right stage guitar jump 00:46:31.429 --> 00:46:34.840 jump you know drums bass and someone hit a space 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.039 bar and the bass track played and i was like 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.559 oh we're we're already at that point you know 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.039 like so so it's you know it's just it's just 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.139 like let you know if you can do it live do it 00:46:48.139 --> 00:46:50.340 live but if you know like i said if it's a crazy 00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:54.320 orchestral part yeah throw it on track i've never 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:55.980 that that's never bothered me that's all for 00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:59.059 your factory and 1998 and you know they had a 00:46:59.059 --> 00:47:01.219 dude over there there was like on edge crusher 00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:02.840 where there's all the scratching and stuff you 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.119 know just hit a key you know hit a key on the 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.699 keyboard and it you know it played the sample 00:47:07.699 --> 00:47:10.260 you know i'm fine with that stuff yeah yeah yeah 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:13.980 yeah yeah just just play as much as you can as 00:47:13.980 --> 00:47:17.159 you know as live as you can how about that yeah 00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.539 no i i agree with you um Circling things back 00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:26.239 to talk to me and the show you're doing with 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:33.460 Ellefson. There have been several iterations 00:47:33.460 --> 00:47:36.360 of podcasts that you've done and different things 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.440 that you've done over the years, whether it was 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.519 NotFest, whether it was the show that you had 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.179 done with Ian as well. And you've tried other 00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:52.869 things over the years. How important have all 00:47:52.869 --> 00:47:56.590 of those evolutions been to you to help you progress 00:47:56.590 --> 00:48:03.150 as a podcaster? I mean, I think it just kind 00:48:03.150 --> 00:48:05.070 of shows you like what works, what doesn't work. 00:48:07.449 --> 00:48:10.829 You know, everything's a, every day is a learning 00:48:10.829 --> 00:48:15.460 lesson. You know, I mean, the show with Ian was 00:48:15.460 --> 00:48:18.139 fun. I love Ian to death. You know, I always 00:48:18.139 --> 00:48:20.420 consider him a bro. You know, I did some stuff 00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:25.739 with Chris Aiken. You know, it's funny. When 00:48:25.739 --> 00:48:27.559 I listen to the classic metal show and you hear, 00:48:27.579 --> 00:48:29.639 you know, you hear Nate Neely every once in a 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.360 while kind of throw jabs that, oh, well, nobody 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.219 else can find a co -host. So they have to get 00:48:34.219 --> 00:48:37.199 Chris Aiken. And I always want to be like, you 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.000 know what? When I when I asked Chris to come 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.900 on the podcast, that was right after his scare 00:48:41.900 --> 00:48:44.840 with COVID. That was right after I thought I, 00:48:44.900 --> 00:48:46.760 you know, honestly thought we were going to lose 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.639 him. You know, I was literally, you know, he 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:51.840 was in the hospital. He's got bad lungs from 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.920 the burn accident. He's, you know, he's like 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.900 a 400 pound dude. Like he's, he was everything 00:48:56.900 --> 00:49:00.820 that you thought was going to kill him. You know, 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.340 he got, he got COVID. He has bad lungs. He's 00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:04.900 overweight. He's out, you know, he's unhealthy. 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.920 Like everything, everything that was at the time 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:11.750 going to kill him. should have killed him and 00:49:11.750 --> 00:49:15.949 it didn't and i remember uh you know i'm not 00:49:15.949 --> 00:49:17.610 too ashamed to say this but i remember the day 00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:19.869 that he posted that he was you know he was released 00:49:19.869 --> 00:49:21.849 from the hospital he's going to be okay and i 00:49:21.849 --> 00:49:23.889 was in my car and i pulled over and just cried 00:49:23.889 --> 00:49:26.889 like i i literally like you know i'm you know 00:49:26.889 --> 00:49:29.349 it's crazy it's like with even with you victor 00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:32.050 i've never met chris in person but like you know 00:49:32.050 --> 00:49:33.630 chris is one of those dudes where i can call 00:49:33.630 --> 00:49:36.469 him and we would talk for an hour we always had 00:49:36.469 --> 00:49:40.159 a great rapport and i was looking i was I had 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:41.860 been talking to not fest about bringing a co 00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:43.679 -host in anyway. And I was like, you know what 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.860 I'm going to do? I'm going to ask Chris because 00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:49.260 you know, I did, that's how much I, you know, 00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:50.699 I thought of him and that's how much he meant 00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:53.760 to me. And it still does. You know, I still talk 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.280 to him all the time. Even last night I'm texting 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.840 him at the show. I'm texting him while he's on, 00:49:57.940 --> 00:50:00.500 you know, on air doing the classic metal show, 00:50:00.619 --> 00:50:02.820 you know, we're bullshitting back and forth about 00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:05.000 slaughter and all this other nonsense on, on 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.360 stage. But, uh, so yeah so having him come on 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.420 the show um you know mike years ago john drake 00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:14.139 over the you know popped on for a little bit 00:50:14.139 --> 00:50:19.099 um part of me is is like i was an only child 00:50:19.099 --> 00:50:22.059 so i think like i don't play well with others 00:50:22.059 --> 00:50:25.340 you know if that makes any sense it's just like 00:50:25.340 --> 00:50:30.380 you know um but with with david obviously david's 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:33.320 the the the name on the show you know it's his 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:38.690 show um And it does go back all the way back 00:50:38.690 --> 00:50:40.650 to, you know, Adam Carolla's old thing. Like, 00:50:40.650 --> 00:50:43.329 how do you become successful in podcasting? Step 00:50:43.329 --> 00:50:47.389 one, be famous, you know, because I mean, obviously 00:50:47.389 --> 00:50:50.030 right out the gate, you know, Ellison's podcast, 00:50:50.090 --> 00:50:51.829 his numbers are doing well. And the announcement 00:50:51.829 --> 00:50:54.670 of the show went pretty big. And, you know, everybody's 00:50:54.670 --> 00:50:56.190 like, who the hell is this other guy? You know, 00:50:56.210 --> 00:50:58.949 those comments are my favorite. Like, who's the 00:50:58.949 --> 00:51:00.909 guy? You know, sometimes I wear my glasses on 00:51:00.909 --> 00:51:02.230 the show. It's like, who's the guy with the glasses 00:51:02.230 --> 00:51:05.420 and beard? You know. I made a comment about Lars 00:51:05.420 --> 00:51:07.460 one day that honestly, I don't think it was a 00:51:07.460 --> 00:51:09.380 negative comment, but everybody thought I was 00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:11.039 being negative. Like, well, who is he to say 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.659 that about Lars and you know, all this shit. 00:51:13.699 --> 00:51:16.059 It is funny. Like, so, so no matter how much 00:51:16.059 --> 00:51:18.739 you do in podcasting, like there's still a giant 00:51:18.739 --> 00:51:20.900 segment out there that has no idea who you are. 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.760 Right. You know, I mean, a lot of the, a lot 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.179 of the comments early on, cause David's such 00:51:25.179 --> 00:51:28.960 a talker and some of these people, like I get 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:30.800 it. I'm like, why am I here? Like, there's a 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.150 lot of times where I'm like, I don't need to 00:51:33.150 --> 00:51:35.449 be here. Like I'll, I should just X out my box 00:51:35.449 --> 00:51:38.369 and just watch the show. Like, like a fan, you 00:51:38.369 --> 00:51:39.989 know, cause if you get David and Frank Bello 00:51:39.989 --> 00:51:42.150 together or David and Dave Lombardo together, 00:51:42.230 --> 00:51:45.349 or even, you know, Gary Holt and the other day 00:51:45.349 --> 00:51:47.130 with the, the back to the beginning stuff, all 00:51:47.130 --> 00:51:51.010 that stuff. Like I wasn't there for those guys 00:51:51.010 --> 00:51:53.150 have known each other for 40 years. So they're 00:51:53.150 --> 00:51:56.590 just going to banter back and forth. And I think 00:51:56.590 --> 00:51:59.110 it was, we were, we interviewed Maria Ferrara, 00:51:59.150 --> 00:52:01.440 you know, metal Maria. Uh, and I'm sure you've 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.440 dealt with her many a time with her PR company. 00:52:04.019 --> 00:52:06.619 Um, but I, you know, it was like 20 minutes into 00:52:06.619 --> 00:52:08.099 the episode and I lean in and I'm like, all right, 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.719 Maria, it's been about 20 minutes. It's time 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.079 for me to chime in. Uh, you know, as a joke, 00:52:12.099 --> 00:52:14.800 cause a lot of times I see it too, you know, 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.579 where I'll, I'll, I'm just listening. I'm just 00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:19.559 watching. Cause I'm a fan of podcasts and I'm 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.039 a fan of David. I'm a fan of, you know, 90 % 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.420 of the people that we've interviewed. Um, so, 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.210 I mean, I'm a, I'm listening to, uh, So like 00:52:28.210 --> 00:52:30.590 I'll catch it to where I like these long stretches 00:52:30.590 --> 00:52:33.650 of time where I don't say a word just because 00:52:33.650 --> 00:52:35.329 I'm listening. You know, I've always been a listener 00:52:35.329 --> 00:52:38.630 to when it comes to interviewing people. And 00:52:38.630 --> 00:52:40.710 so I'm kind of waiting for my spot to jump in. 00:52:40.989 --> 00:52:45.309 But but yeah, it's it's it's been fun. But yeah, 00:52:45.369 --> 00:52:48.389 just just learning, growing, seeing how everything 00:52:48.389 --> 00:52:52.090 works. I've been I've been more impressed with 00:52:52.090 --> 00:52:57.500 how how into podcasting David's become. Like 00:52:57.500 --> 00:52:59.920 he's like, we should do this. We should do that. 00:52:59.960 --> 00:53:01.599 We should get this guest. We should do that. 00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.699 Do you have this time? He, you know, he's been 00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:06.380 in, he's been in basically in Germany all year 00:53:06.380 --> 00:53:09.679 or all summer. So it's like, you know, he's been 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.400 working around like my days off from work and 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.659 like, you know, coordinating, you know, cause 00:53:14.659 --> 00:53:16.820 they're like six hours ahead of, ahead of me 00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:19.019 and all that nonsense. So, you know, like you 00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:23.239 are. And then, uh, so it's like, it's just been 00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.360 fun to kind of see his evolution and getting 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.150 into. comfortable interviewing people. You know, 00:53:28.170 --> 00:53:29.929 he said even early on, cause I mean, some of 00:53:29.929 --> 00:53:32.670 the early on episodes, he does talk a lot. Um, 00:53:32.889 --> 00:53:35.949 and maybe he doesn't let the guests talk as much. 00:53:36.210 --> 00:53:38.750 Uh, so he's trying to curtail that. And he goes, 00:53:38.809 --> 00:53:41.150 he goes, you know, that, that dude's been being 00:53:41.150 --> 00:53:43.030 interviewed since he was 18 years old. You know, 00:53:43.050 --> 00:53:45.449 he joined Megadeth, you know, they started Megadeth 00:53:45.449 --> 00:53:47.610 when he was 18. He's been famous his whole life. 00:53:48.050 --> 00:53:51.949 Um, so now he's trying to like turn it around 00:53:51.949 --> 00:53:54.409 and become the interviewer instead of the interviewee. 00:53:54.989 --> 00:53:57.610 Um, So, yeah, it's been it's been a fun evolution 00:53:57.610 --> 00:53:59.909 to watch that, too, and watch him do everything. 00:54:00.010 --> 00:54:03.949 But just, you know, just over the years, like, 00:54:04.010 --> 00:54:05.989 you know, we were joking earlier about the technology 00:54:05.989 --> 00:54:07.829 and Skype and all this other stuff, you know, 00:54:07.829 --> 00:54:10.769 like so learning how to do stuff with Chris Aiken 00:54:10.769 --> 00:54:14.469 through Skype, through, you know, restreams and 00:54:14.469 --> 00:54:18.789 StreamYard and all the different all the different 00:54:18.789 --> 00:54:21.489 evolutions and technology, things like that, 00:54:21.550 --> 00:54:23.989 you know, kind of everything kind of builds up 00:54:23.989 --> 00:54:27.059 to. you know, what you're doing today. And it 00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.139 kind of, it kind of works out to where, you know, 00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:32.159 Oh, I had, I had to learn how to do this one 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.340 thing in editing. So now I know how to do it 00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:36.239 all the time. And, you know, you just kind of 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.380 have, you know, I don't necessarily, I don't 00:54:38.380 --> 00:54:40.679 necessarily sit there and watch Adobe Premiere 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.619 Pro tutorials to learn how to do everything. 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.579 But when I have to figure something out, that's 00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:47.539 when you go to YouTube and try to figure it all 00:54:47.539 --> 00:54:50.579 out. And, you know, that helps you kind of, you 00:54:50.579 --> 00:54:54.059 know, in your day -to -day podcasting life. So. 00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:57.349 I don't know, man. It's just, it's just an evolution 00:54:57.349 --> 00:54:59.690 of, of learning how to work with people and how 00:54:59.690 --> 00:55:01.869 to, you know, deal with different personalities 00:55:01.869 --> 00:55:06.690 and, uh, how to, um, you know, schedules and 00:55:06.690 --> 00:55:08.010 things like that. That was the biggest thing, 00:55:08.050 --> 00:55:09.929 honestly, the biggest thing with everybody was 00:55:09.929 --> 00:55:12.050 just schedule conflicts. And that was the one 00:55:12.050 --> 00:55:14.010 thing about Chris Aiken, him working from home, 00:55:14.110 --> 00:55:17.849 he was kind of free to do it whenever, um, you 00:55:17.849 --> 00:55:19.190 know, some of the other ones, it was like, oh, 00:55:19.230 --> 00:55:21.539 I can't do it this day because I have this. Even 00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:24.219 like when I did New Pod with Ro Coley, you know, 00:55:24.219 --> 00:55:28.480 Ro lives in Los Angeles. He's in with every band 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.239 ever. And I'd be like, hey, Ro, can we record 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:32.880 on Tuesday? He'd be like, oh, I'm going to see 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:34.860 Lacuna Coil that day. All right, what about Wednesday? 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:36.880 Oh, man, Cole Chambers reuniting, blah, blah, 00:55:36.900 --> 00:55:39.099 blah. All right, what about Thursday? Oh, man, 00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:40.920 Thursday, I've got to go. You know, it was just, 00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:42.760 he was going to like two or three shows a night 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.179 every other day. So, you know, that was the only, 00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.639 that was the biggest, you know, hurdle with doing 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.309 a show with him. because he runs a business that 00:55:52.309 --> 00:55:55.190 he needs to be out and talking to people and, 00:55:55.210 --> 00:55:57.849 and, and, you know, talking to band members and 00:55:57.849 --> 00:56:00.150 things like that to get more business. So I get 00:56:00.150 --> 00:56:02.789 it. So, yeah, it was, it was tough. It was like, 00:56:02.849 --> 00:56:04.610 all right, I've got an, he's, he was always like, 00:56:04.670 --> 00:56:06.170 all right, I can do it from like four to five, 00:56:06.250 --> 00:56:08.309 but I might have to do it from my car, you know, 00:56:08.309 --> 00:56:11.409 shit like that. But, but yeah, it's, it's just, 00:56:11.429 --> 00:56:13.329 it's just been fun, man. I think everything's 00:56:13.329 --> 00:56:15.960 been fun. You know, I don't think I've. none 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.199 of these shows have ended with a blow up fight 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.980 you know like I hate you you know shit like that 00:56:21.980 --> 00:56:25.159 it's always like so it seems to be cordial well 00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.659 at least I hope so you know with everybody yeah 00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:33.159 well that's cool with with Allison has there 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:36.119 been kind of a fly on the wall moment where you're 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:39.099 hearing people banter back and forth with him 00:56:39.099 --> 00:56:43.389 and something has come up that's really kind 00:56:43.389 --> 00:56:45.329 of caught you off guard and been eyeopening? 00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:53.969 Um, I mean, there's been a few things. I don't, 00:56:53.989 --> 00:56:55.869 I don't necessarily know how eyeopening things 00:56:55.869 --> 00:56:58.210 are, but it just, some of it goes to show you 00:56:58.210 --> 00:57:01.650 how, how we're, we're, we're all in, you know, 00:57:01.650 --> 00:57:03.289 he always says that we're all in the same band. 00:57:03.409 --> 00:57:05.690 We're all, you know, no matter how, you know, 00:57:05.690 --> 00:57:07.429 no matter if you were in Megadeth or you were 00:57:07.429 --> 00:57:09.570 in the local band down the street, it's always, 00:57:09.610 --> 00:57:15.329 it's all band dynamics. It's all, You know, nothing 00:57:15.329 --> 00:57:17.510 ever changes. It's like, it's like this guy hates 00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:19.829 that. This guy snores funny. This guy ate my 00:57:19.829 --> 00:57:21.769 cereal one day. So I'm still mad at him for that. 00:57:22.769 --> 00:57:25.849 It was kind of cool. Kind of puts it, puts it 00:57:25.849 --> 00:57:28.429 into perspective in the day of Lombardo episode 00:57:28.429 --> 00:57:32.489 where he talks about going over to Carrie King's 00:57:32.489 --> 00:57:35.250 house and Carrie's making the spiked bracelet, 00:57:35.530 --> 00:57:38.369 you know, the big spiked armband or whatever. 00:57:40.590 --> 00:57:42.489 and you know he's like he's like his dad's sitting 00:57:42.489 --> 00:57:44.550 there reading a book his mom's you know cooking 00:57:44.550 --> 00:57:47.289 something in the in the kitchen and carrie's 00:57:47.289 --> 00:57:49.730 in the living room floor you know adding spikes 00:57:49.730 --> 00:57:52.110 to a leather thing you know you hear those kind 00:57:52.110 --> 00:57:56.869 of stories or or with with dave he's like you 00:57:56.869 --> 00:58:00.550 know uh with dave lombardo he said you know he 00:58:00.550 --> 00:58:02.750 went to some of those early slayer rehearsals 00:58:02.750 --> 00:58:06.130 and david brought up Like they had scorpions 00:58:06.130 --> 00:58:08.570 posters on their walls and you see Dave Lombardo's 00:58:08.570 --> 00:58:10.530 face kind of light up like, oh yeah, that was 00:58:10.530 --> 00:58:12.409 our first practice. You know, they, they go back 00:58:12.409 --> 00:58:16.550 to being just teenagers and kids before the fame 00:58:16.550 --> 00:58:19.170 and, and, and that stuff. So those are the, those 00:58:19.170 --> 00:58:21.929 are the fun moments, you know, where, where you 00:58:21.929 --> 00:58:23.889 get to hear those kinds of firsthand stories 00:58:23.889 --> 00:58:28.170 of, of young, you know, Lombardo or young Metallica 00:58:28.170 --> 00:58:29.869 or young Megadeth, things like that. You know, 00:58:29.869 --> 00:58:31.889 those are the things that intrigue me because. 00:58:32.750 --> 00:58:36.389 I got into kiss at nine, 10 years old. Um, you 00:58:36.389 --> 00:58:38.650 know, Metallica when I was 10, 11 years old and 00:58:38.650 --> 00:58:40.829 the, you know, Metallica opens up the world to 00:58:40.829 --> 00:58:44.829 Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, all that stuff. And, 00:58:45.010 --> 00:58:48.369 and so, you know, that was like the peak fandom 00:58:48.369 --> 00:58:51.190 of some of those bands. Cause you know, once 00:58:51.190 --> 00:58:53.409 you get into, you know, when I started playing 00:58:53.409 --> 00:58:56.869 music and playing out and the other bands that 00:58:56.869 --> 00:58:59.869 were around at the time, you know, I'm not, you 00:58:59.869 --> 00:59:03.480 know, I never, got to the heights of some of 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.900 these bands but they were technically my peers 00:59:05.900 --> 00:59:07.659 you know they were the bands out at the same 00:59:07.659 --> 00:59:10.579 time you know the corns the deftones uh the you 00:59:10.579 --> 00:59:13.420 know the the cold chambers all those bands were 00:59:13.420 --> 00:59:15.500 just were just kind of bands at the same time 00:59:15.500 --> 00:59:18.300 as i was trying to make it in music so like they 00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:22.260 were the competition rather than the fan you 00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:25.320 know my fandom being as, as, as big as it is 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.760 for some of those thrash metal bands or even 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.019 some of the, you know, the early death metal 00:59:29.019 --> 00:59:31.019 bands, the obituaries and morbid angels and things 00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:33.860 like that. So, so yeah. So some of the guys we 00:59:33.860 --> 00:59:36.840 have on when I'm hearing David talk to them about 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.480 back in the early days, back in the Bay area 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.599 days, but all that stuff, that's when I'm just 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:44.780 like the happiest I've ever been on some of these, 00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:46.800 you know, podcasts where I'm sitting there just 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:51.940 listening to, you know, the first episode we 00:59:51.940 --> 00:59:56.340 did, uh, was Frank Bellow from Anthrax and David, 00:59:56.420 --> 00:59:59.960 um, Frank and Frank had just put out like a, 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:04.139 uh, a signature series base through Spectre. 01:00:04.219 --> 01:00:06.219 So David's like, Hey man, why don't you pull 01:00:06.219 --> 01:00:09.159 the base out and, you know, kind of show it off. 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.460 And as he, as, as, uh, Frank Bellow pulls out 01:00:13.460 --> 01:00:17.139 the base, David picks up one of his bases and 01:00:18.829 --> 01:00:21.690 he asked frank to show him the riff for room 01:00:21.690 --> 01:00:25.349 for one more i think and so so you know frank's 01:00:25.349 --> 01:00:28.550 playing it and then david starts to play it and 01:00:28.550 --> 01:00:30.789 i was like well shit and i grabbed my bass and 01:00:30.789 --> 01:00:32.909 i'm like i started playing it and i'm looking 01:00:32.909 --> 01:00:35.369 at him like i'm like frank bellow is currently 01:00:35.369 --> 01:00:37.469 teaching david ellison how to play an anthrax 01:00:37.469 --> 01:00:40.550 song And I'm also learning at the same time, 01:00:40.570 --> 01:00:42.829 like what world am I living in right now? What, 01:00:42.869 --> 01:00:46.510 how, how, how did any of this happen? Or like 01:00:46.510 --> 01:00:48.190 even the other day with the, the, you know, the 01:00:48.190 --> 01:00:50.070 four squares on the screen, it's, it's David, 01:00:50.150 --> 01:00:52.449 it's Mike from, you know, Mike Borden from Faith 01:00:52.449 --> 01:00:56.309 the More, Ozzy, Rudy Sarzo, and then me. I'm 01:00:56.309 --> 01:00:59.250 like, why, what's, what life is this? What, what 01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:04.050 is life at this point? Yeah, I, I, I get it. 01:01:04.130 --> 01:01:07.300 I get it. I've, I've, I've. Haven't been to those 01:01:07.300 --> 01:01:11.099 heights, but at times where, you know, I've gotten 01:01:11.099 --> 01:01:14.099 to share things with other people or people, 01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:19.400 it's like, how did I get here? Why? Those things 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.519 are really, you know, my 17 year old self would 01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.320 be calling me talking to this person right now. 01:01:26.659 --> 01:01:29.599 You know, the biggest thing from from the podcast 01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.599 is just David and I's friendship. Like, you know, 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:37.179 he'll text me. you know, we were, uh, the, the 01:01:37.179 --> 01:01:39.079 live stream from the back to the beginning was 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:44.320 on a two hour delay. He texted me that he had 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:48.239 a good show before the live stream had even gotten 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:51.019 to us. So like he, he played in front of all 01:01:51.019 --> 01:01:53.599 those people because, you know, I, you know, 01:01:53.619 --> 01:01:56.099 I'm just, I just, anytime he has a show or he's 01:01:56.099 --> 01:01:57.760 doing something, I'll, I'll hit him. Hey man, 01:01:57.820 --> 01:01:59.280 have a good show today. Good luck. You know, 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.460 break a leg, all that and whatever. Yeah. So 01:02:01.460 --> 01:02:02.599 I hit him up early in the day. I'm like, Hey 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.150 man, you know, crush it tonight. He's like, thanks. 01:02:05.269 --> 01:02:08.210 And then, uh, you know, before the, the, you 01:02:08.210 --> 01:02:10.829 know, before the, the, the live stream even happened 01:02:10.829 --> 01:02:12.869 over here, I get a text, Hey man, it was awesome. 01:02:13.429 --> 01:02:15.369 You know, he don't have to do that, you know, 01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:18.389 like David Ellison, but he's still like, it's 01:02:18.389 --> 01:02:21.949 still, um, it's still just cool that he, you 01:02:21.949 --> 01:02:23.530 know, wanted to let me know how the show went. 01:02:24.050 --> 01:02:26.050 And then I had some questions about him, you 01:02:26.050 --> 01:02:27.789 know, cause I, you know, I think we were going 01:02:27.789 --> 01:02:30.090 to talk about the primer 55 thing, but I had, 01:02:30.090 --> 01:02:31.909 uh, and I had a couple of questions about that 01:02:31.909 --> 01:02:35.000 for him the other day. And, we had like a long 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:39.179 heartfelt talk, you know, like he, he was kind 01:02:39.179 --> 01:02:40.880 of laying out some stuff and, you know, what 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:42.380 he thinks I should do with this, what he thinks 01:02:42.380 --> 01:02:44.860 I should do with that. And I'm just like, I get 01:02:44.860 --> 01:02:47.119 off the phone and I'm like, I'm like, I just 01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:51.900 talked to David Ellison about my life and what 01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:55.139 some decisions that I should make with music. 01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:00.900 You know, I met David when I was 15. Um, they 01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:03.510 were, they were on the euthanasia tour. They 01:03:03.510 --> 01:03:07.429 had a it was a Megadeth canned food drive. And 01:03:07.429 --> 01:03:10.289 if you if you donated 10 pounds of food to the 01:03:10.289 --> 01:03:12.949 local food bank, you got a special backstage 01:03:12.949 --> 01:03:17.090 pass. And so, you know, me and a buddy of mine 01:03:17.090 --> 01:03:19.969 did it. We go down. I mean, it was a it was kind 01:03:19.969 --> 01:03:23.670 of a cattle call. We were in the arena seats 01:03:23.670 --> 01:03:26.969 all lined up in one row. And then Megadeth was 01:03:26.969 --> 01:03:28.590 in the row ahead of us, turned around, you know, 01:03:28.590 --> 01:03:30.780 kind of coming through, signing everything. And 01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:32.079 that would have been the first time I met David 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:37.380 in, in January of 95. Um, to tell that kid that 01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:40.039 in 30 years, you're going to be like having a 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:44.039 life conversation with David Ellison about, you 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.099 know, your, your music career. And it's just 01:03:46.099 --> 01:03:48.780 like, what, what's going on? None of this makes 01:03:48.780 --> 01:03:52.860 any sense. Right. Yeah. I've had people tell 01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:54.780 me, well, you have my number now hit me up whenever 01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:59.280 you want. And I'm like, love your music, love 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.380 talking to you, but I'm not going to be hitting 01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:03.440 you up and saying, Hey, did you check out the, 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.059 you know, the Dodgers game last night? Right. 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.079 You know, so it's cool that you actually, you 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:12.940 know, you've got some common ground there and 01:04:12.940 --> 01:04:16.280 you're, you're at a place where you have a friendship 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.039 with him, where you can do that sort of stuff. 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.190 You know, I'm just. I just feel weird and out 01:04:22.190 --> 01:04:24.210 of place doing something like that. Oh yeah. 01:04:24.329 --> 01:04:26.489 Like there. Yeah. You definitely get those numbers 01:04:26.489 --> 01:04:29.349 and you're like, uh, um, you know, like, Hey, 01:04:29.349 --> 01:04:31.690 you know, I've got some crazy numbers in my phone 01:04:31.690 --> 01:04:33.809 over the years from interviewing people when 01:04:33.809 --> 01:04:35.349 they're like, Hey, give me a call on this ball 01:04:35.349 --> 01:04:37.170 bar, text me on that, you know, something like 01:04:37.170 --> 01:04:39.530 that. And, and I would never call them. I would 01:04:39.530 --> 01:04:42.429 never text them. I would never do anything unless, 01:04:42.530 --> 01:04:45.989 unless you've, you were like really, you know, 01:04:46.030 --> 01:04:47.369 because sometimes you'll have these interviews 01:04:47.369 --> 01:04:50.389 and you, I always joke, I'll get off an interview 01:04:50.389 --> 01:04:51.969 and I'll go upstairs and I'll talk to my wife 01:04:51.969 --> 01:04:53.469 and she's always like, how'd it go? And I'm like, 01:04:53.510 --> 01:04:55.269 oh, I have a new best friend. You know, because 01:04:55.269 --> 01:04:56.809 sometimes you get off these interviews and you 01:04:56.809 --> 01:04:59.210 really click with people. And if you have a common 01:04:59.210 --> 01:05:02.329 ground that's not like, hey man, you know, I 01:05:02.329 --> 01:05:06.090 loved this lick on an album. But if you had common 01:05:06.090 --> 01:05:08.429 ground, both like the certain football team or 01:05:08.429 --> 01:05:10.550 you knew that they liked a certain football team 01:05:10.550 --> 01:05:12.110 and you want to razz them a little bit, you know, 01:05:12.130 --> 01:05:16.250 any of that stuff. i get but there are a few 01:05:16.250 --> 01:05:18.030 people like hey if they put out a new song i 01:05:18.030 --> 01:05:19.789 might hit on the text like hey man loving the 01:05:19.789 --> 01:05:22.090 new track you know just kind of giving them something 01:05:22.090 --> 01:05:25.750 positive but i i don't ever expect like a bro 01:05:25.750 --> 01:05:28.469 down and i was even talking to mike from from 01:05:28.469 --> 01:05:31.710 voltage junkie last night about that was you 01:05:31.710 --> 01:05:33.469 know sometimes you'll get tickets to a show and 01:05:33.469 --> 01:05:35.730 they'll throw in a backstage pass and i'm like 01:05:35.730 --> 01:05:37.489 i don't even want to go back and bother anybody 01:05:37.489 --> 01:05:39.929 like yeah yeah you know 15 year old me would 01:05:39.929 --> 01:05:42.239 have been And back in the middle of everything, 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:44.599 you know, rummaging through the catering, you 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.719 know, talking to everybody and whatnot. But, 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:49.079 you know, the older I get, the more like in the 01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.739 way I feel. And and like even the other day, 01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.239 we my wife and I went to see Incubus and we had 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:59.219 like an after show pass. And but it was like 01:05:59.219 --> 01:06:00.619 it was it was one of those deals where you had 01:06:00.619 --> 01:06:02.360 to get like a certain person to walk you back. 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.469 And so we were like. waiting for that certain 01:06:05.469 --> 01:06:07.150 person to walk them back but then they had an 01:06:07.150 --> 01:06:08.969 emergency so they had to leave the venue but 01:06:08.969 --> 01:06:10.510 we didn't know so we were just like standing 01:06:10.510 --> 01:06:12.750 there in the way of everybody trying to you know 01:06:12.750 --> 01:06:14.929 all the trucks come in to move the stage and 01:06:14.929 --> 01:06:17.610 everything else and i'm like let's just go like 01:06:17.610 --> 01:06:20.809 i i didn't realize that i was waiting for a certain 01:06:20.809 --> 01:06:23.590 person and they didn't come and i'm like i'm 01:06:23.590 --> 01:06:25.230 not gonna do this like let's just get out of 01:06:25.230 --> 01:06:28.269 here it's just too much at this point but it's 01:06:28.269 --> 01:06:31.389 you know last night at the, at the ace freely 01:06:31.389 --> 01:06:33.110 show, David's like, make sure you, you know, 01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:36.349 you go say hi to Rudy. And I'm like, I don't 01:06:36.349 --> 01:06:40.429 want to bother Rudy Sarzo, you know, but I, you 01:06:40.429 --> 01:06:41.969 know, I'd have been back there just being, being 01:06:41.969 --> 01:06:44.190 a fan boy of the scene, Johnny Kelly from typo 01:06:44.190 --> 01:06:47.489 and be like, man, I saw you back in 1994, you 01:06:47.489 --> 01:06:50.210 know, you'd be in that guy, you know, but, uh, 01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:53.530 but it's just, yeah, the older I get, the less 01:06:53.530 --> 01:06:56.510 inclined I am to go bother people, especially 01:06:56.510 --> 01:06:59.420 backstage. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm right there 01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:03.099 with you. I've been, it's, it's funny because 01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:05.679 that, that a show that I mentioned with that 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.380 slash and George Lopez were there. My wife's 01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:10.860 like, let's go meet him. I'm like, I leave him 01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:13.980 alone. You know, enjoy the show. They're at a 01:07:13.980 --> 01:07:16.639 booth. They're watching ace. Like we are just, 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.840 you know, it seems like they're chilling and 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:22.099 no one's bugging them. Let's not. Yeah. One's 01:07:22.099 --> 01:07:25.340 to go bug them. So I get it. Yeah. I mean, I 01:07:25.340 --> 01:07:27.760 mean, they're, you know, A few people I might 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.420 want, you know, maybe if Headfield was out there, 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.719 I might wander over and, Hey man, I'm really 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:34.699 sorry. Can I grab a quick photo? Like, just give 01:07:34.699 --> 01:07:36.039 me the photo and I'll just get, I'll get out 01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:38.340 of your face, you know, that type stuff. But, 01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:41.300 uh, but yeah, I mean, luckily when I was, when 01:07:41.300 --> 01:07:45.960 I was 14, 15, 16 years old, um, my friend Jeremy 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:50.420 Housley and myself would go and just, you know, 01:07:50.420 --> 01:07:53.619 chase down buses and stand behind the venue for 01:07:53.619 --> 01:07:56.420 eight hours. You know, just any of that stuff 01:07:56.420 --> 01:07:59.059 to get a glimpse of our heroes and talk to them, 01:07:59.139 --> 01:08:01.000 maybe get a second. And honestly, that might 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.760 have been like some of the early inklings that 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.579 I was going to get into podcasting. Obviously, 01:08:06.619 --> 01:08:09.460 that was before podcasting even existed. But 01:08:09.460 --> 01:08:14.199 I always try to think of one question for the 01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.399 person that was maybe a little bit left of center. 01:08:17.539 --> 01:08:20.659 That wasn't just. oh my God, I loved your new 01:08:20.659 --> 01:08:22.680 album. You know, like I might try to ask him 01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.159 something. I actually met Mike Borden in 1997. 01:08:27.619 --> 01:08:32.680 And he was kind of coming down. He was, it was 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:35.520 a Faith No More show. After the show, he kind 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.880 of came to the, where all the fans were and kind 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.000 of did a quick, you know, run through. And he 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.060 was like, sign, boom, sign, boom, sign, walk 01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:44.699 away. And when he got to me, I looked at him 01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:47.670 and I, I, I, I, for some reason I looked at him, 01:08:47.689 --> 01:08:49.350 I go, there's something I've always wanted to 01:08:49.350 --> 01:08:51.449 ask you. And he stopped me and looked at me and, 01:08:51.510 --> 01:08:54.789 and honestly, I forgot. And I couldn't think 01:08:54.789 --> 01:08:56.189 of it like the top of my head. I was like thinking, 01:08:56.210 --> 01:08:57.890 and then all of a sudden to go Cliff Burton, 01:08:58.029 --> 01:09:00.430 because he grew, you know, him, Mike Borden, 01:09:00.430 --> 01:09:02.890 Cliff Burton grew up together and dude, Mike 01:09:02.890 --> 01:09:06.409 stopped in his tracks and just talked to Cliff 01:09:06.409 --> 01:09:09.130 Burton with me for 10 minutes. You know, that 01:09:09.130 --> 01:09:10.909 was his, you know, his best friend growing up 01:09:10.909 --> 01:09:14.170 kind of thing. Yeah. And so, so I always like, 01:09:14.189 --> 01:09:16.489 I always tried to, to not just be like, oh man, 01:09:16.649 --> 01:09:19.109 Epic's a great song or something. You know, you 01:09:19.109 --> 01:09:21.329 gotta, you gotta hit them with something that'll, 01:09:21.350 --> 01:09:22.750 that'll make them stop in their tracks, but I'll 01:09:22.750 --> 01:09:24.710 never, that's one thing. And honestly, I didn't 01:09:24.710 --> 01:09:26.670 even get a chance to tell him that on the, with 01:09:26.670 --> 01:09:28.050 the interview the other day, but that's always 01:09:28.050 --> 01:09:30.909 been one of the cooler looking back on my life 01:09:30.909 --> 01:09:33.390 moments is when, you know, Mike Borden stops 01:09:33.390 --> 01:09:36.529 in his tracks to tell you, tell you about his, 01:09:36.550 --> 01:09:38.510 his friend growing up, Cliff Burton, which I 01:09:38.510 --> 01:09:41.039 mean, you, you know, you know, you you have friends 01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:42.539 like that I'm sure you know you grew up with 01:09:42.539 --> 01:09:44.579 somebody and if they would have became a successful 01:09:44.579 --> 01:09:47.760 musician and and passed away and and all that 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.039 stuff like you know he's not to you he's not 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.760 Cliff Burton Cliff Burton he's your best friend 01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:56.619 Cliff Burton and and and I think that there are 01:09:56.619 --> 01:09:58.739 a few people in my life if if they would have 01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:01.399 passed away at a younger age and someone asked 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.520 me about them later in life I would love to talk 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.239 about my my friends growing up, you know? So, 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:08.359 so yeah, that was very cool of him to do that. 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:10.119 And it was super cool of him to do the podcast 01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.300 of the day, because other than the Dean Del Rey 01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.760 podcast that he did a few months ago, I've never 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.840 really seen Mike Borden on a podcast, you know? 01:10:16.899 --> 01:10:19.979 And he was great. I got, you know, when you're, 01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:21.659 whenever you, if you get a chance to listen to 01:10:21.659 --> 01:10:24.159 that, like even sends that text to me, he was 01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:25.819 like, Mike Borden should have his own podcast. 01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:28.220 Cause he, how well he spoke on it and he had 01:10:28.220 --> 01:10:31.319 great stories and all that stuff. But it was, 01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:33.460 it was fun. You're going to have to start the, 01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:36.939 uh, to me podcasting network. Yeah. Yeah. Just 01:10:36.939 --> 01:10:38.439 get it. You get all the famous people on there. 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:42.359 Yeah. Um, that's, that's funny though. That's 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:46.819 the, uh, the, the, the one thing where before 01:10:46.819 --> 01:10:49.079 seeing a show, you've got two things that come 01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:51.380 to mind. All right. Can you jump up on stage 01:10:51.380 --> 01:10:54.199 and play with them if they need a, in your case, 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:57.600 and what are you going to ask somebody if you 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.880 run into them so that you can engage them? So, 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.699 so yeah. with Burton that's cool yeah no it's 01:11:05.699 --> 01:11:08.699 it's always been fun man but yeah that we we 01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:11.319 made it more of a a game almost like a hide -and 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:13.840 -seek game you know like and luckily he was a 01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.699 guy that had you know he had like one of those 01:11:15.699 --> 01:11:17.960 long like 110 cameras or whatever they were back 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.560 in the day with the yeah weird film in it and 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:23.079 stuff like that and he carried a camera with 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:25.439 us everywhere everywhere we went and so like 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.359 luckily I have photos with me and Diane back 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.640 when I was 15 and Me and Bobby Blitz and, you 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.619 know, like all I have, I have a bunch of photos 01:11:32.619 --> 01:11:34.880 of me. And honestly, I think that's the only 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:37.640 photos I have me of me of that era, because it 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:40.500 was I was living with my dad. He was a single 01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:43.060 dad making no money. We weren't going to take 01:11:43.060 --> 01:11:44.739 photos all the time. You know, we didn't have 01:11:44.739 --> 01:11:47.380 a camera running around or or a video camera 01:11:47.380 --> 01:11:50.079 or anything like that. So like any photo of basically 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:54.579 of me around the ages of like 14 to 17 are me 01:11:54.579 --> 01:11:57.220 and rock stars because my buddy Jeremy happened 01:11:57.220 --> 01:12:02.760 to have a camera. luckily so wow uh you mentioned 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:09.520 prime a second ago so how did this whole uh reunion 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:17.000 come come about um honestly it's it's it's been 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:22.539 building for a long time um we had We had talked 01:12:22.539 --> 01:12:24.800 about maybe doing the 20th anniversary of Introduction 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:27.119 Mayhem back in 2020, but then obviously something 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.920 happened back then that stopped everybody in 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:34.899 their tracks from doing anything. And then Bobby 01:12:34.899 --> 01:12:39.579 Burns hit me up maybe late last year, maybe early 01:12:39.579 --> 01:12:42.779 this year. And, you know, he was having trouble 01:12:42.779 --> 01:12:46.979 with his liver, just some health issues. and 01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:48.960 he literally told me he was like hey man if you 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.479 get a call from this certain girl and she says 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.399 that i've passed away i want you to be the one 01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:55.359 to break the news i'm like don't put that on 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.399 me yeah um you know kind of thing but i mean 01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:02.239 he he truly thought he was uh you know on his 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.840 deathbed or whatever um because that's the kind 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.840 of diagnosis the doctors were giving him but 01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:11.500 he luckily um he's down in dallas texas he's 01:13:11.500 --> 01:13:15.380 um you know they've got some good uh I guess 01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:19.079 liver doctors down there. Um, they, they went 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.619 in and, and, and got him back going. And I, you 01:13:21.619 --> 01:13:24.479 know, maybe kind of being right there close to 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:28.460 death or whatever. He hit me up and says, you 01:13:28.460 --> 01:13:30.359 know, if you want to do this, let's do a show. 01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:34.939 I'm like, all right. And which it's funny if 01:13:34.939 --> 01:13:37.560 you ask Preston, you know, Preston Nash, uh, 01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:39.739 the, the, the drummer that we have for this, 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.659 that was the drummer, the, the, the new release 01:13:41.659 --> 01:13:44.890 era, things like that. anytime we talk about 01:13:44.890 --> 01:13:47.229 getting back together, I'm like, I want a classic 01:13:47.229 --> 01:13:49.989 lineup. Obviously Jason passed away, but I want 01:13:49.989 --> 01:13:52.630 at least three of us to be somewhat classic, 01:13:52.689 --> 01:13:54.529 you know, from, from the early two thousands. 01:13:55.069 --> 01:13:57.189 And so I'm always like, we got to get Preston 01:13:57.189 --> 01:13:59.170 and Preston lives. I live in Louisville. He lives 01:13:59.170 --> 01:14:01.369 in Indy. We're like an hour and a half, two hours 01:14:01.369 --> 01:14:05.949 away from each other. So, and so basically about 01:14:05.949 --> 01:14:08.710 once a year, I get, I, I hit him with the text. 01:14:08.770 --> 01:14:11.010 Hey, if we get this together, will you do it? 01:14:11.050 --> 01:14:13.420 And he's like, he's always like, yeah. but you 01:14:13.420 --> 01:14:15.239 know we'll see what happens kind of thing but 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.659 this last time bobby comes out and he's like 01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:19.180 all right man if you want to do this let's do 01:14:19.180 --> 01:14:25.060 it um i contacted uh mikey from snot i was like 01:14:25.060 --> 01:14:26.500 hey man you know who's dealing you know it's 01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:29.319 kind of the same situation classic band singer 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:33.439 passed away uh you know anniversary of a record 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.119 kind of stuff all that stuff kind of kind of 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:37.340 lined up similarly so i was like hey ma 'am you 01:14:37.340 --> 01:14:39.640 know what's the name of your uh booking agent 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.489 he gave it to me you know And I emailed the guy 01:14:42.489 --> 01:14:43.789 and I'm like, Hey man, would you be interested 01:14:43.789 --> 01:14:47.069 in dealing with a primary 55 25th anniversary? 01:14:47.449 --> 01:14:50.029 And an immediate, yes. Like he jumped the, the, 01:14:50.029 --> 01:14:53.930 the booking agent jumped right on it. And I was 01:14:53.930 --> 01:14:57.569 like, uh, so I kind of, you know, put two, you 01:14:57.569 --> 01:14:59.329 know, line everything up, got everything going. 01:14:59.609 --> 01:15:02.869 And, um, it's been fun, man. It's like Bobby's 01:15:02.869 --> 01:15:06.649 fired up again. It's, it's fun to see him kind 01:15:06.649 --> 01:15:08.510 of be Bobby Burns again, you know, kind of be, 01:15:08.630 --> 01:15:12.590 be, in charge of a band of Bobby Burns and, and 01:15:12.590 --> 01:15:15.970 getting everything together and, you know, being 01:15:15.970 --> 01:15:17.750 a, you know, being a shithead again, sometimes 01:15:17.750 --> 01:15:20.409 and things like that, you know, he's gotta, he's 01:15:20.409 --> 01:15:22.470 gotta, I need this today. I need this done by 01:15:22.470 --> 01:15:24.430 blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. Like, you know, 01:15:24.430 --> 01:15:27.289 it's as much as, you know, sometimes he can be 01:15:27.289 --> 01:15:28.569 a little overbearing when it comes to that stuff. 01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:31.369 It's been awesome to see him see that guy again, 01:15:31.510 --> 01:15:34.590 you know, cause there for a long, I mean, when 01:15:34.590 --> 01:15:35.949 all this stuff was going down with his liver, 01:15:36.010 --> 01:15:38.989 like he told me he was proud of me and, For him 01:15:38.989 --> 01:15:41.409 to say that, I was like, oh, shit, he really 01:15:41.409 --> 01:15:46.670 is dying. So to kind of see Bobby kind of come 01:15:46.670 --> 01:15:49.630 back to life the last few months has been awesome. 01:15:51.270 --> 01:15:56.289 And from what started out to be one show turned 01:15:56.289 --> 01:16:02.770 into a possibility of opening on a bigger band's 01:16:02.770 --> 01:16:05.909 reunion tour, which kind of fell through, turned 01:16:05.909 --> 01:16:08.949 into, well, let's do our own little run. and 01:16:08.949 --> 01:16:12.130 you know now it's like there's more there are 01:16:12.130 --> 01:16:15.310 more tours like being booked as we speak and 01:16:15.310 --> 01:16:19.829 i'm just like i'm i'm i'm ecstatic for him i'm 01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:22.789 excited for the band you know i want to see i 01:16:22.789 --> 01:16:24.449 want to see bobby back out there because bobby's 01:16:24.449 --> 01:16:26.069 one of those musicians that should be on stage 01:16:26.069 --> 01:16:28.949 should be playing um you know i sat in the studio 01:16:28.949 --> 01:16:31.989 one time with them we did a side band after primer 01:16:31.989 --> 01:16:37.069 and um and as we were recording some stuff and 01:16:37.069 --> 01:16:38.789 the you know he's like he's like i think i'm 01:16:38.789 --> 01:16:42.310 gonna throw a solo right here and just you know 01:16:42.310 --> 01:16:45.489 immediately looked at an awesome solo i'm like 01:16:45.489 --> 01:16:48.289 all right like all right guitar solo guy you 01:16:48.289 --> 01:16:50.369 know it's just it it's he's just one of those 01:16:50.369 --> 01:16:53.010 dudes that just should be playing music should 01:16:53.010 --> 01:16:56.090 be out there that's what he does that's that's 01:16:56.090 --> 01:16:58.430 where he he needs to be and to kind of see it 01:16:58.430 --> 01:17:01.630 all kind of coming back together um i love it 01:17:01.630 --> 01:17:04.109 i love to see it come back together Honestly, 01:17:04.170 --> 01:17:07.510 I mean, I wish Jason was here with us and to 01:17:07.510 --> 01:17:10.590 kind of see the I think he would have been over 01:17:10.590 --> 01:17:12.510 the moon with all of the kind of the new metal 01:17:12.510 --> 01:17:15.909 resurgence, you know, all the all the bands of 01:17:15.909 --> 01:17:19.289 that era kind of coming back around again, you 01:17:19.289 --> 01:17:24.430 know, doing the nostalgia stuff. And and I think 01:17:24.430 --> 01:17:27.109 he would have been he'd been really into it. 01:17:27.149 --> 01:17:29.350 And I would love to have kind of gotten, you 01:17:29.350 --> 01:17:31.829 know, Bobby and Jason back together and touring 01:17:31.829 --> 01:17:34.100 his primer and all that stuff. I mean, there's 01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:35.739 early episodes of talk to me where I'm like, 01:17:35.779 --> 01:17:37.619 I don't care if I'm involved. I just want to 01:17:37.619 --> 01:17:41.180 see those two guys work together again. And then 01:17:41.180 --> 01:17:43.159 obviously with Jason passing in like what, 2018, 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:45.100 which is crazy. It's already been that long. 01:17:46.619 --> 01:17:49.699 It is funny though, being a, you know, I'm a 01:17:49.699 --> 01:17:52.579 giant Pantera fan and you know, no dime, no Pantera 01:17:52.579 --> 01:17:55.050 and all that nonsense. And then the, the initial, 01:17:55.210 --> 01:17:57.489 like, you know, primer 55 tour announced, blah, 01:17:57.550 --> 01:17:59.050 blah, blah. And we're, we're totally getting 01:17:59.050 --> 01:18:03.210 the no Jason, no primer type stuff. And I'm like, 01:18:03.210 --> 01:18:05.770 well, it's kind of hard. You know, I would love 01:18:05.770 --> 01:18:07.770 for Jason to be here doing this stuff, but, but 01:18:07.770 --> 01:18:10.329 we can't. So, so we've got, you know, we've got 01:18:10.329 --> 01:18:14.369 Donnie coming in on vocals for this, who did 01:18:14.369 --> 01:18:16.670 some stuff with Bobby back a few years ago. It 01:18:16.670 --> 01:18:18.350 was actually funny. I helped to get Donnie in 01:18:18.350 --> 01:18:23.979 the band in 2008. And then I think. and don't 01:18:23.979 --> 01:18:26.159 quote me on this i think we did one show together 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.199 like i i think it was like donnie's first show 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:31.899 and my last show were the same show and then 01:18:31.899 --> 01:18:34.159 they went on to do some touring together and 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:38.319 stuff like that but um but yeah actually i opened 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:40.420 an old email the other day like an old email 01:18:40.420 --> 01:18:44.140 account and i think i had like the emails from 01:18:44.140 --> 01:18:46.720 like bobby's like hey check out this dude donnie 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:49.819 and then i'm like talking to donnie you know 01:18:49.819 --> 01:18:51.659 this is like so i got him in the band and then 01:18:51.659 --> 01:18:55.600 i left so But yeah, I'm excited to do this run. 01:18:55.659 --> 01:18:58.119 It starts in October. A nice little quick run. 01:18:59.020 --> 01:19:02.319 It's like seven shows in eight days. So my old 01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:04.539 bones are going to be creaking and muscles are 01:19:04.539 --> 01:19:07.239 going to be sore and all that stuff. And I'm 01:19:07.239 --> 01:19:08.840 going to, you know, hopefully I don't get up 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:10.500 there looking like Ace Frehley and just stumble 01:19:10.500 --> 01:19:14.039 all over myself. And hopefully we're more Slaughter 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.180 or Quiet Riot than we are Ace Frehley when we 01:19:16.180 --> 01:19:19.579 get up there to play. How about that? You're 01:19:19.579 --> 01:19:21.399 going to be involved in all of the live shows. 01:19:22.539 --> 01:19:26.500 Uh, as of now, yes. It's got to work, got to 01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:28.399 work some stuff around with my actual day job, 01:19:28.500 --> 01:19:30.619 but, uh, right. But once we, once we get all 01:19:30.619 --> 01:19:33.239 that figured out, um, but yeah, as of right now, 01:19:33.260 --> 01:19:38.039 yes. Okay, cool. And it's just shows for now. 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.680 There's nothing about maybe new music at some 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:44.260 point down the road, or has that even been addressed? 01:19:44.979 --> 01:19:48.920 Uh, I don't know how much is going to be talked 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:50.279 about or whatnot, but yeah, I mean, there's, 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.359 there's talk about new music. There was, There's 01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.520 always talk about music. So we'll see what happens 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:59.279 with that. I mean, from where at this point where 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.739 Bobby's at with the band, it seems to be back 01:20:02.739 --> 01:20:05.260 to being a full functioning band at this moment. 01:20:05.340 --> 01:20:08.220 So I think that so I think that anything that 01:20:08.220 --> 01:20:10.079 anything to do with a normal band is back on 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:13.899 the table. You know, music tours, photo shoots 01:20:13.899 --> 01:20:17.380 and T -shirts and anything you can think of that 01:20:17.380 --> 01:20:19.359 goes along with the band is on the table right 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:21.609 now because. And which is awesome. You know, 01:20:21.630 --> 01:20:25.770 I, I, I'm glad because, well, the other thing 01:20:25.770 --> 01:20:27.750 too is doing the podcast over the years, the 01:20:27.750 --> 01:20:31.010 amount of guests that I had on, you know, post 01:20:31.010 --> 01:20:33.750 interview, pre -interview that just wanted to 01:20:33.750 --> 01:20:35.750 throw out a quick, Hey man, grew up a big Primer 01:20:35.750 --> 01:20:38.010 fan. Or I listened to Primer when I was in middle 01:20:38.010 --> 01:20:40.310 school, any of that stuff, you know, or, you 01:20:40.310 --> 01:20:42.229 know, people that listen to the podcast, like, 01:20:42.270 --> 01:20:44.350 Hey man, I love what you're doing on the podcast. 01:20:44.390 --> 01:20:46.250 Just want to let you know, a big Primer 55 fan, 01:20:46.390 --> 01:20:49.720 never got to see him live. All that stuff. how 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.680 much that built over the years and i don't think 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:54.640 bobby noted knew that knew that was going on 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.979 because he just wasn't you know tuned into blabbermouth 01:20:58.979 --> 01:21:00.819 each week and all that nonsense for every day 01:21:00.819 --> 01:21:02.979 like it just wasn't something on his radar so 01:21:02.979 --> 01:21:05.300 i'm like i'm like no dude like there's a there's 01:21:05.300 --> 01:21:09.140 this underground swelling of you know when you 01:21:09.140 --> 01:21:13.460 open up the louder than life uh announcement 01:21:13.460 --> 01:21:16.880 and dry kill logics on the main stage like primer 01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:20.819 55 needs to be back together And I love Dracologic 01:21:20.819 --> 01:21:22.600 and that's not a dig at them. I'm just saying 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:25.020 that like, that's just, that goes to show you 01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:27.239 when Spine Shank and the Union Underground and, 01:21:27.260 --> 01:21:30.960 and Head P and all those bands are like main 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.939 stage bands or, or high up on the bill on the 01:21:33.939 --> 01:21:36.079 side stage bands. Like that just shows you that 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.079 Primer needs to get their asses back together 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:41.340 and get back out there, you know? Yeah, absolutely. 01:21:41.579 --> 01:21:46.630 And I mean, we've seen it in the previous, decades 01:21:46.630 --> 01:21:49.250 or so before the switch over to a lot of the 01:21:49.250 --> 01:21:53.130 nineties bands. Yeah. Um, we've seen that a lot 01:21:53.130 --> 01:21:56.310 of bands have made that success. They've successfully 01:21:56.310 --> 01:22:00.930 ridden that wave for as long as they could. And 01:22:00.930 --> 01:22:03.210 a lot of these nineties bands are now coming 01:22:03.210 --> 01:22:06.630 back and hopefully you guys can do something 01:22:06.630 --> 01:22:09.810 similar, you know, where you take advantage of, 01:22:09.850 --> 01:22:13.390 you know, this groundswell of popularity with 01:22:13.390 --> 01:22:16.199 bands that are, that are doing, a lot of stuff. 01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.380 And even newer bands, I listened to the new turnstile 01:22:19.380 --> 01:22:21.119 the other day. I'm like, this should come out 01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:23.739 in the nineties. I'm like, right. You know, this 01:22:23.739 --> 01:22:27.720 wasn't what I expected at all. Um, there's, there's 01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:31.239 a lot of, a lot of different things. Even, um, 01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:35.180 Alex Lifeson from rush has a band called envy 01:22:35.180 --> 01:22:40.420 of none. Okay. And that sounds totally nineties 01:22:40.420 --> 01:22:43.300 alternative rock. I mean, it's, it's ridiculous 01:22:43.300 --> 01:22:47.670 and not in a, Nirvana sense. It's like in a garbage 01:22:47.670 --> 01:22:50.229 sense, you know, it's, it's something like that, 01:22:50.289 --> 01:22:53.590 that is calling a lot of people off guard. And 01:22:53.590 --> 01:22:55.949 I know that a lot of Alex Lifeson fans are like, 01:22:56.029 --> 01:22:58.689 why isn't he doing something more like rush? 01:22:59.989 --> 01:23:02.270 He's basically said, you know, I found this singer. 01:23:02.390 --> 01:23:05.729 She's great. And she allows me now to write in 01:23:05.729 --> 01:23:08.550 this, you know, this form of music around her 01:23:08.550 --> 01:23:14.550 voice. Yeah. So, you know, growing up and, and, 01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:17.500 We saw it with the 80s bands, you know, we there 01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:20.960 was definitely that moment in time where. You 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.479 know, the the Cinderella's and Slaughter's and 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:27.239 all those bands that now, you know, get up and 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:31.239 play in an M3 and and, you know, massive crowds, 01:23:31.260 --> 01:23:33.680 you know, had their moments in the clubs where, 01:23:33.779 --> 01:23:36.199 you know, might have been half full or a quarter 01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:38.329 full or. Nobody there. You know what I'm saying? 01:23:38.409 --> 01:23:41.550 And like, and my last, my last primary 55 tour 01:23:41.550 --> 01:23:45.689 we did, I did it in 2008 or 2007, 2008, somewhere 01:23:45.689 --> 01:23:47.789 in there. And you know, we were playing some 01:23:47.789 --> 01:23:49.949 pretty rough shows and I always joke. It was 01:23:49.949 --> 01:23:52.310 like, it was like, there might be 30 people in 01:23:52.310 --> 01:23:54.970 the crowd, but like there were 30 fans and it 01:23:54.970 --> 01:23:56.289 was different. There was a difference between 01:23:56.289 --> 01:23:59.390 being in like a local band and there's 30 people 01:23:59.390 --> 01:24:01.149 in the crowd and you're trying to win them over 01:24:01.149 --> 01:24:03.970 to like, you're playing in front of 30 people 01:24:03.970 --> 01:24:07.289 and they know all the music and they like, you 01:24:07.289 --> 01:24:09.270 know hadn't seen you since oz fest or never got 01:24:09.270 --> 01:24:11.250 to see you so like this is their moment with 01:24:11.250 --> 01:24:14.590 the band and like yeah so you're on stage and 01:24:14.590 --> 01:24:18.350 you're looking out and it's you know a 500 cap 01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:20.229 room with 30 people in it you might as well been 01:24:20.229 --> 01:24:23.829 playing to an empty warehouse and they're on 01:24:23.829 --> 01:24:25.869 they're in the crowd watching one of their favorite 01:24:25.869 --> 01:24:28.829 bands so it's so you still have to like put on 01:24:28.829 --> 01:24:31.470 that that whole like if it's five people or five 01:24:31.470 --> 01:24:33.470 you know 500 ,000 people we're gonna play the 01:24:33.470 --> 01:24:35.750 same show like all that nonsense but you you 01:24:35.750 --> 01:24:38.050 have to like do that you have to like get your 01:24:38.050 --> 01:24:40.470 your mindset around that and it's not easy it's 01:24:40.470 --> 01:24:42.930 not like you can just turn that on you know you 01:24:42.930 --> 01:24:45.289 have to like put on a good show for the people 01:24:45.289 --> 01:24:48.029 that are there because like I said they they 01:24:48.029 --> 01:24:50.189 they are truly fans of the music and they are 01:24:50.189 --> 01:24:52.869 so pumped to see you it's not their fault that 01:24:52.869 --> 01:24:57.550 they're one of 30 people So you're like trying 01:24:57.550 --> 01:24:59.069 to put on a good show. But I think that this 01:24:59.069 --> 01:25:02.390 time around, you know, we're hitting that nice 01:25:02.390 --> 01:25:06.409 pocket of nostalgia. You know, people of our 01:25:06.409 --> 01:25:10.789 age range might have a little bit more disposable 01:25:10.789 --> 01:25:14.710 income. You know, come out, relive their youth 01:25:14.710 --> 01:25:16.890 a little bit. I mean, that's what I'm doing. 01:25:17.010 --> 01:25:18.689 You know, go out and relive my youth a little 01:25:18.689 --> 01:25:22.689 bit too, you know. You know, I hadn't been on 01:25:22.689 --> 01:25:26.260 stage. actually i hadn't i hadn't been on stage 01:25:26.260 --> 01:25:29.239 since i i think in 2011 i got up with primer 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:33.520 and did loose with them and like in like one 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.180 time and but other than that i i got on stage 01:25:36.180 --> 01:25:39.659 a couple of years ago at uh at a new metal night 01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:42.800 it was a new metal night here in town they invited 01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.140 me to play three songs you know i did corn uh 01:25:45.140 --> 01:25:48.420 corn song deftone song whatnot and i was like 01:25:48.420 --> 01:25:50.600 oh yeah and my wife had never really seen me 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:55.300 on stage before and uh She was like, oh, she's 01:25:55.300 --> 01:25:56.760 like, I've never seen you that happy. I've never 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.220 seen you smile like that. So I was like, whenever 01:25:59.220 --> 01:26:02.640 this type of stuff comes up, she's like, I can't 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:04.760 say no. She, you know, she's not going to be 01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.039 like, you can't go on tour. She's like, I know 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:08.319 this is what makes you happy. You're going to 01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:10.880 do what makes you happy. I can't take that away 01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.920 from you. So, I mean, so I've got an awesome 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:17.520 support system. And, you know, just to get back 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.420 out there, my kids are a little bit older. So 01:26:19.420 --> 01:26:22.369 it's not like, you know, I'm leaving them. That 01:26:22.369 --> 01:26:24.470 was the one thing that what got me off a tour 01:26:24.470 --> 01:26:28.890 to begin with was my son was about two or three 01:26:28.890 --> 01:26:31.710 at the time. And, you know, we're out there playing 01:26:31.710 --> 01:26:34.090 to nobody and these shit clubs making no money. 01:26:34.409 --> 01:26:37.850 And I get a call from my son's mom. We weren't 01:26:37.850 --> 01:26:40.090 together, but we were cordial and everything 01:26:40.090 --> 01:26:42.750 was fine. But she was having a day. She was stressed 01:26:42.750 --> 01:26:44.630 out. I could hear him crying in the background. 01:26:45.289 --> 01:26:48.710 I'm out here playing to nobody. And I'm like, 01:26:48.750 --> 01:26:50.750 what am I doing? I was like, I need to go home 01:26:50.750 --> 01:26:53.670 and be a dad. And then, you know, now my kids 01:26:53.670 --> 01:26:55.829 are, you know, my youngest is about to be 11 01:26:55.829 --> 01:26:58.869 and he thinks it's cool what dad does. He thinks 01:26:58.869 --> 01:27:00.609 it's cool that dad plays music and he can get 01:27:00.609 --> 01:27:04.689 on stage and do things like that. So, you know, 01:27:04.689 --> 01:27:07.630 and he's at more of an age where I think he would 01:27:07.630 --> 01:27:10.470 understand, hey, you know, dad's gonna be gone 01:27:10.470 --> 01:27:12.970 for a couple of weeks, but I'll be back, you 01:27:12.970 --> 01:27:15.189 know, to where he's not like four or five, you 01:27:15.189 --> 01:27:16.930 know, four or five where he just doesn't understand. 01:27:17.029 --> 01:27:20.890 So I'm excited, man. I think everybody, I think 01:27:20.890 --> 01:27:24.449 it's a good time. to go back out. I think it's 01:27:24.449 --> 01:27:26.449 a good time for music. I think it's a good time 01:27:26.449 --> 01:27:29.670 for shows. I think it's going to be fun and get 01:27:29.670 --> 01:27:31.069 back out there and play for everybody. It's going 01:27:31.069 --> 01:27:34.210 to be fun. Cool. That sounds, that sounds really 01:27:34.210 --> 01:27:36.310 awesome. And like I said, I hope it all works 01:27:36.310 --> 01:27:40.210 out and yeah, to, to, you know, get the planets 01:27:40.210 --> 01:27:42.350 to align there and that you guys are able to, 01:27:42.350 --> 01:27:46.109 to take this as far as you guys can. Yeah, definitely. 01:27:46.210 --> 01:27:47.810 I think it'll be fun. Hopefully, you know, hopefully 01:27:47.810 --> 01:27:49.789 next year do all the Danny Wimmer shows and get 01:27:49.789 --> 01:27:52.310 on some festivals. You know, you know, maybe 01:27:52.310 --> 01:27:55.529 maybe another band will look on the lineup and 01:27:55.529 --> 01:27:57.789 be like, why is Primer 55 on the main stage? 01:27:57.909 --> 01:28:00.189 Like, you know, we got to get our band back together. 01:28:00.590 --> 01:28:03.710 This is a bunch of bullshit. So, yeah, I think 01:28:03.710 --> 01:28:05.310 that'll that'll be fun. Hopefully, hopefully 01:28:05.310 --> 01:28:08.149 we'll be that band to somebody else. There you 01:28:08.149 --> 01:28:13.289 go. You'll provoke the Boba Flex reunion. Right. 01:28:13.390 --> 01:28:18.850 Yeah, there we go. Yes. I, yes, Baco. I know 01:28:18.850 --> 01:28:21.090 that they're still together kind of as the lone 01:28:21.090 --> 01:28:24.550 ones, but Boba Flex, the original Boba Flex. 01:28:25.430 --> 01:28:30.850 Um, what else did I have here? Oh, last question 01:28:30.850 --> 01:28:35.789 for you. All right. You have two things regarding 01:28:35.789 --> 01:28:38.289 the Deftones behind you. What did you think of 01:28:38.289 --> 01:28:44.000 the new single? Um, I think it, it's funny, man. 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:46.720 My, my wife is like, she likes like three bands 01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.619 and Deftones having to be one of them. And we 01:28:49.619 --> 01:28:52.819 were out and six o 'clock Eastern was when it 01:28:52.819 --> 01:28:57.079 dropped here. So like we, um, like we were in 01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:58.899 the car and she was like refreshing Spotify. 01:28:59.020 --> 01:29:00.479 And as soon as it popped out, she played it. 01:29:00.659 --> 01:29:02.560 We listened to it like, you know, probably 10 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.579 times in a row. Um, I think it's a good, uh, 01:29:05.579 --> 01:29:07.359 indicator of what the album is going to be. It 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.680 wasn't anything groundbreaking. I think it'll 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.199 be a good song if they play it live. Um, it does 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.800 seem to be, uh, you know, good for, good for, 01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:20.600 uh, good for an arena. You know, like I've been 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:22.180 saying in the last few shows, I mean, it's just 01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:24.779 like, we saw, we went to see Deftones a few months 01:29:24.779 --> 01:29:30.100 ago at an arena packed out. I'm like, what's 01:29:30.100 --> 01:29:32.460 going on? Because, you know, Deftones have always 01:29:32.460 --> 01:29:35.460 been, Deftones have been a lot, a lot of people's 01:29:35.460 --> 01:29:37.479 like a lot of bands, favorite band. And they've, 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:39.710 they've inspired a lot of bands, not just new 01:29:39.710 --> 01:29:41.909 metal bands, but like shoegaze bands and hardcore 01:29:41.909 --> 01:29:44.050 bands. Like they're, they're one band that like 01:29:44.050 --> 01:29:46.630 everybody can kind of go back to and agree on, 01:29:46.710 --> 01:29:50.350 um, when it comes to, uh, musicians and things 01:29:50.350 --> 01:29:54.789 like that. So we go to the show in Nashville 01:29:54.789 --> 01:29:58.390 and it's, it's the crowds like 50, 50, you know, 01:29:58.430 --> 01:30:01.329 like 40 year old dudes and like teenagers. And 01:30:01.329 --> 01:30:02.930 we're like, where are all these kids coming from? 01:30:03.029 --> 01:30:04.810 Like they're, and they're all dressed in baggy 01:30:04.810 --> 01:30:06.510 pants. They're all like, they're, they look like 01:30:06.510 --> 01:30:09.649 me in the nineties. And we looked around and 01:30:09.649 --> 01:30:12.430 it was crazy. Like we took my, my, uh, stepson 01:30:12.430 --> 01:30:15.369 who just turned 18. That was his first ever concert 01:30:15.369 --> 01:30:18.970 and he's blown away. And, um, and they crushed 01:30:18.970 --> 01:30:21.310 and it was, it was such a good show. Like they, 01:30:21.390 --> 01:30:23.449 they had the, they had all the lights and they 01:30:23.449 --> 01:30:25.109 had all the screens and they had all of the, 01:30:25.130 --> 01:30:27.050 this and that. And they put on one hell of a 01:30:27.050 --> 01:30:28.369 show. It was probably one of the better Deftones 01:30:28.369 --> 01:30:30.130 shows I've ever seen. And I've, I've been seeing 01:30:30.130 --> 01:30:34.930 them since 95, 96. Um, but yeah, new, new single. 01:30:35.869 --> 01:30:38.739 I'm, definitely looking forward to the album. 01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:41.199 I think it, uh, I think it's a good song and, 01:30:41.220 --> 01:30:43.979 and, you know, I think it's just a, a good precursor 01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:45.779 to what's coming, you know, so I can't wait for 01:30:45.779 --> 01:30:48.319 the next single. How about that? Yeah. I've seen 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:52.039 them once middle of the day at a festival in 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:58.619 Spain, hotter than hell. And, uh, and it was, 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.699 uh, it was like a religious experience is one 01:31:01.699 --> 01:31:04.600 of the best shows that I've ever seen. So it 01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:08.600 was amazing. Got to see them and Faith No More 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:13.279 on the same bill. So we went home happy. That 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:16.899 97 Faith No More show that I saw, opening band, 01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:21.140 Limp Bizkit. A little known Limp Bizkit, pre 01:31:21.140 --> 01:31:26.159 -Faith Limp Bizkit. So there you go. Yeah. Awesome. 01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:29.979 I appreciate you hanging out for as long as you 01:31:29.979 --> 01:31:33.319 have today with me. This has been fun and easy 01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:36.739 to do. And, uh, hope that this comes across that 01:31:36.739 --> 01:31:39.960 way to anyone listening or watching this episode. 01:31:40.619 --> 01:31:45.220 So, um, anything you want to, um, to mention 01:31:45.220 --> 01:31:47.479 before leaving anything you want to promote? 01:31:48.579 --> 01:31:50.800 No, I ain't just, uh, you know, if you're, if 01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:52.840 you're in the, uh, in the area of any of these 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:55.000 primary 55 shows, please come out and say hello. 01:31:55.420 --> 01:31:58.000 Um, and then obviously check out the David Ellison 01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:00.539 show, uh, on the David Ellison podcast on the, 01:32:00.539 --> 01:32:02.460 uh, David Ellison YouTube channel, or just search 01:32:02.460 --> 01:32:04.859 your favorite podcast app. And then, uh, yeah, 01:32:04.939 --> 01:32:06.699 talk to me is going strong. That's actually, 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:09.199 I think the next episode is a cliff from dry 01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.960 kill logic. So, so there you go. So I think that'll, 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:14.640 that'll be a good one to get out there, but yeah, 01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:17.380 it's just, uh, just, uh, it's a, it's a wild 01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:19.439 ride and, uh, you know, come, come, uh, come 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:22.859 jump on it with me. Awesome. And on that note, 01:32:22.899 --> 01:32:25.500 we will end the show. Thank you, Mr. Toomey. 01:32:25.739 --> 01:32:28.859 Hopefully it won't be another 120 episodes before 01:32:28.859 --> 01:32:32.260 I get you back on here. Crazy man. Yeah. Always 01:32:32.260 --> 01:32:33.579 good to see you. Always good to talk to you. 01:32:33.949 --> 01:32:36.869 Yeah, absolutely. On that note, folks, we will 01:32:36.869 --> 01:32:40.529 see you next time right here on Signals from 01:32:40.529 --> 01:33:01.210 Mars. 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