Welcome on and all to another episode of Signals
from Mars. We are back with another exciting
episode. Brad trying to get the, what is it,
the balloons to appear? I don't know. I'm going
to jump ahead. Here's what cracked me up about
the Sabbath thing, back to the beginning, is
how many people were doing this? Which it is
technically Sabbath, right? Right. That's more
associated to Dio than... Yeah, but totally associated
with Dio because Ozzy was this. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
All right. Enough of that. I got it. You got
it. You got it. Okay, let's go. Jeremy is back.
Brad is back. And we're here to talk about...
Black Sabbath, we're here to talk about the Back
to the Beginning, the final show from Black Sabbath
and Ozzy Osbourne. And yeah, so this was a monumental
occasion. Reminds me a lot of, you know, things
that happened yesteryear. Jeremy and I recently
recorded an episode and we were talking about
a Live Aid tribute that was going on and how,
you know, this reminded me of Live Aid to an
extent, reminded me of the Freddie Mercury tribute
concert as well. There were so many other shows
that during the 80s, early 90s, where you had
these types of get togethers. And all -star jams
and different things. And it feels like it's
been a long time since something like this has
taken place. Earlier today, I was thinking about
the Taylor Hawkins tributes that they had done,
which was a few years back. And unfortunately,
those have never been released on DVD or anything
like that. So I panicked when I was thinking
about this. I'm like, they can't do that. With
this, they need to release something. At least
it was released on pay -per -view. The Taylor
Hawkins stuff, they didn't do any type of pay
-per -view for that. So I'm hoping that something
is done so that us plebeian that we're not able
to watch live or tied up for the... For the days
where you could watch the event over again, weren't
able to pull it off to watch it. But anyway,
let's just run down the bands, the songs, and
we'll discuss some of this stuff as we go along
here. The day started out with Mastodon with
Black Tongue, Blood and Thunder, and then them
covering Supernot. First off, I thought it was
real stupid for people to criticize on the Internet.
Well, why are they forcing them to do Sabbath
songs? It was the dumbest thing ever. You know,
why can't they just all play their own songs?
I'm surprised that. More bands didn't do what
Guns N' Roses did, which is mostly Sabbath and
two originals. But whatever. Going into this,
I actually expected everybody to be doing Sabbath
songs. There's such a huge catalog and all these
bands are, you know, obviously there to celebrate
Sabbath. I thought they would all do just Sabbath
songs. But as it turned out, I thought what they
did was pretty cool. And I enjoyed, I enjoyed
all of it. So yeah. Yeah. Picky one song. Each
was pretty good. I think. Yeah. Yeah. But I,
but yeah, we'll get, we'll get the guns and roses.
Yeah. Rival sons did do your worst. They did
a electric funeral, obviously a Sabbath cover
and they did secret. Anthrax did Indians, and
they did Into the Void, covering Sabbath, and
there people were complaining, oh, they didn't
play enough songs. Well, you had Charlie coming
back out with Pantera. You had Scott and Frank
being part of several jams. Joey Belladonna and
John Donace are the only ones that didn't come
out in other things, and both songs that they
played were fairly long. Yeah, Indians was really,
and I'm failing at being an anthraxologist, but
Victor, did you see them play Indians? I didn't
see them play. I swear that they put something
else in there. It wasn't just Indians. I don't
know, Jeremy? Yeah, they seemed to do a little
sort of something in the middle, didn't they?
They weren't playing the entire song all the
way through. I don't know what they were doing,
really. They were going back to Indians. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And also the bands
were only playing 15 minutes. So, you know, what
you were saying, those two songs were quite long.
And so they didn't have time to fit in one more.
No. Yeah. Then you had Hailstorm with Love Bites.
And so do I. Rain your blood on me. And I think
the shock cover of the day. Oh, yeah. Terry Mason.
Yeah. By the way, Hailstorm were a storm. They
were amazing. I mean, Lizzie Hale stole the show,
I think, for certainly early on. And she was
amazing. I really enjoyed it. Which is more the
reason for me to pick up. Tickets for them and
Volbeat. There you go. So following them was
Lamb of God, who played Laid to Rest, Redneck,
and then Children of the Grave. After that is
where the jam started. And unfortunately, they're
only listing the singers here. Because these
were the whole band. You got the whole band.
Okay, so the first jam was Ultimate Sin, was
Lizzy Hale singing, was Nuno Betancourt, Jakey
Lee. Adam Waitman. What's that? Adam Waitman,
David Ellefson, Mike Borden. Yeah, okay, and
Mike Borden on drums. Okay. Yeah, that was the
first moment of where things almost broke down.
Everything was running so smooth. They get on
stage and they're ready to start playing. Where's
Jake? Yeah. Well, some, some, I haven't, I mean,
I've only seen footage from the crowd, but I've
heard people say that him and Nuno weren't tuned
to the same note or something like that. I'd
be more worried about being tuned to the keyboard
guy. That's what I'd be worried about. Yeah.
Okay, so for this first jam, it was the same
band throughout because then it was Shot in the
Dark with David Draymond. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Then Sweet Leaf, which was... Sweet Leaf, I guess,
was David Draymond as well? Yeah. No, that was
Bettencourt, Borden. Oh, sorry, yeah, Draymond
it was. Yeah, sorry. And Ellefson and Scott Ian.
Yeah, okay. So Scott Ian came out. Okay. And
then for Believer, it was Whitfield Crane on
lead vocals. Yeah. And with that, it was Nuno.
Who else was playing? Whitfield Crane. Scott
Ian. Scott Ian. Yeah. Frank Bello. Two. Frank
Bello. And then two from Sleep. Okay. Sleep and
Sleep, yeah. And then Changes was the same lineup
except it was Youngblood. Yeah, that was good.
It was Adam Wakeman and Frank Bello. Yeah. And
then we had Alice in Chains with Men in the Box.
No, can I just intercept because we had the Jack
Black video which wasn't live. The only reason
I mention this is because it was unbelievably
good. It was amazing. If you only see one thing
from that show, you've got to watch that. It
was incredibly good. With Rebel Ian, which is
Scott Ian's son, and with Roman Morello, who's
Tom Morello's son. Yeah. I did not know that.
Mr. Crowley. It was, they did a really good,
even my wife came in just to sort of, she came
in in bits, you know, to see little bits of the
show had popped in now and again. And she watched
that and she said, that's amazing. They're doing
a really good job. And they, they did. It was
really good. Interestingly enough with, with
Jack Black is his connection to Ronnie James
Dio. And now him being a part of this. All right.
So next was Alison Chains with Wood. or man in
the box would, and fairies wear boots. Yeah.
Uh, the audio went out during the show. Yeah.
Yeah. Not, not too long, but enough to worry
us, but they, they, they showed it again in one
of the breaks. Yeah. So did they? Yeah. Yeah.
So it's kind of like, God, I wanted to hear them
do this, you know? Everyone was complaining.
Where's it gone? Where's it gone? Yeah. William
Duvall sounded good. Unfair. He was great. Yeah.
Are we going to go back and talk about who was
great and all that stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'll do that in a second. Keep going. Gojira
did Stranded, Silvera, Mea Culpa, and Under the
Sun. sabbath cover and then we had you guys are
going to have to help me with who the members
of the bands were for for these jams so it was
symptom of the universe yeah yeah so that was
the the drum off section and then we had symptom
of the universe with bettencourt morello and
rudy salso okay breaking the law which um go
ahead carrie billy corgan kk downing came on
Adam Jones, Morello, Sarso. Okay. Snowblind.
Kerry Corgan, Downing, Jones, Morello, Sarso.
Okay. Flying High again. So this is when Sammy
Hager came out, Bettencourt, and we had Vernon
Reed, Sarso, Smith, and Wakeman. Yeah. Chad Smith.
Which. So that was Betancourt, Hager, Morello,
Salso, Smith and Wakeman. Bark at the Moon. That
was Barker, Betancourt, Papa V, Breed, Salso
and Wakeman. Train kept a rolling. So this is
when Steven Tyler came out. So with Barker, Betancourt,
Morello, Saso, Andrew Watt, and Ronnie Wood made
an appearance. Yeah. And it's funny because on
the graphic that you sent me, it says Aerosmith
cover, but this is an old blues song. Aerosmith
covered this. Yeah, that's right. Was it Yardbirds?
Didn't they do this too? I think about that one.
Yeah, maybe. Could be. So then Walk This Way
and Whole Lotta Love. Yeah, so that was both
done by Betancourt, Morello, Sarso, Smith, Tyler,
and Watt. Okay. Then we move on to Pantera, who
did Cowboys From Hell, Walk, Planet Caravan,
and Electric Funeral. I don't get why two bands
covered the same song. I get that the day is
long. But, I mean... There might have been some
pot smoking going on. Who knows? One of them
was significantly better than the other one.
Just saying. My opinion. They didn't get the
email. Ed Tool with 46 -2. Hand of Doom, the
Sabbath cover, and Anima. It's the first time
that tool has been recorded live. Yeah. And I
think it was 25 years, 30 years, something like
that. Wow. So it was kind of a big deal. It was
a huge deal. I I've never seen video of them
playing live. Yeah. So it was kind of cool to,
to see that. You had Slayer with Disciple, War
Ensemble, Wicked World, Sabbath Song, South of
Heaven, Raining Blood, and Angel of Death. From
here, you had Guns N' Roses covering a bunch
of Sabbath. They did It's Alright, which is a
song that they would cover back in the day. Never
Say Die. Junior's Eyes, which I haven't been
able to see yet, which I absolutely love that
song. So I'd love to hear their rendition of
that. And then they did Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath.
And then they played two of their own, Welcome
to the Jungle and Paradise City. And then Metallica
did Hole in the Sky, which is a song that Pantera
covered back in the day. Creeping Death, For
Whom the Bell Tolls, Johnny Blade, which I absolutely
love as well. I think that those first three
songs off of Never Say Die or Alt is great. And
then they went into Battery and Master of Puppets.
Then for Ozzy Osbourne. So he did I Don't Know.
Mr. Crowley, Suicide Solution, Mama I'm Coming
Home, and Crazy Train. Interesting with who he
picked for the band. I mean, it's obvious that
Zach would be there. I was hoping that maybe
we would have seen Jake come out and do a song
with Ozzy. Unfortunately, did not happen. He
had Mike Inez of Alice in Chains, who was obviously
in his band for quite a while as well. Yeah,
bass tone. You sounded so good. Yeah, and then
Tommy Cloufetis on drums there. No Ronald McDonald,
though. No Ronald McDonald. No, no Ronald McDonald.
You will have to dig back through some signals
from Mars old episodes to see what I'm talking
about. You will have to see that. That was my
one and only Zoom interview. Then the original
Sabbath comes out to do War Pigs, NIB, Iron Man,
and Paranoid. Notable people that were missing.
To me. Tommy Aldridge. Vinnie Appesee. Because
he played with Sabbath. And then he also, he
did also do some dates when Ozzy was in the band
or when Ozzy had come back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When Bill Ward had some... Yeah, yeah, so they
got him to cover. They got Vinny in because he
was ready to go. You know, he knew all the songs.
No Carmine. Yeah, Carmine should have been there.
Other players that were... I was wondering if
they would have brought Joe Holmes in. That would
have been great. Because, I mean, he's... promoting
new music, but he, you know, he may not have
ended with the best of terms. Brad Gillis is
another one that would have been interesting
to see, you know, especially given he has a pass
with Sammy Hagar as well. Doesn't he? No, I'm
no, no, no, no, no, no. Nevermind. I was, I almost
fumbled the ball there. I, for some reason I
had in my mind that he was part of HSAS, but
that was Neil Sean. So, yeah, to me, those are
kind of the people that are connected with Ozzy
that I'm surprised that didn't appear. Those
are kind of the the only ones that I'm surprised
didn't, you know, weren't part of the show. But,
you know, there's one guy that should have been
there, but you're not surprised he wasn't there.
And that's Bob Daisley. Oh, yeah. Look at Ozzy's
set list. Four of those songs, four of the five
songs were written by Bob Daisley. Almost 100
% the lyrics and some of the music. The thing
with that, though, he's done so much over the
years, whether right or wrong, that they weren't
going to touch him with a 10 -foot pole. Um,
the other thing too, is when this was announced,
he right off the bat came out saying that he
wanted nothing to do with it. Yeah. So at that
point I knew we're not seeing Bob Daisley. Yeah.
So, and I know that there are people that were,
Oh, you know, he needs to be there and you brought
it up and the, the, just, just to understand
things. if Jake didn't end up playing with Ozzie,
you weren't going to get Bob Daisley playing
with Ozzie. I'm really surprised Jake was there,
but I'm sure that had more to do with Tom Morello.
Yeah. Yeah. But there's also, there's also pictures
of Jake and Ozzie together. That's where, where
Jake is sitting at Ozzie's feet and Ozzie has
his hand on Jake and. and stuff like that. I
don't think Ozzy ever had a problem with Jake.
I think it was all, you know, somebody else who
was really running this whole thing. But I mean,
outside of that, I mean, there's so many stories
that we've heard that whether Jake was really
messed up on, on drugs or alcohol as well. And,
you know, there were, there's, there, there's
a bunch of things that could have taken place,
you know? This is this is one of these stories
where I don't think we'll ever get the full truth
to it. And it's probably, you know, half of what
one person has said and half of what another
person has said. And I'm assuming that there
was possibly a push to get money from Bark at
the Moon. And there was probably a consistent
nagging going on and probably to the point where
they said, all right, well. You're fucked up.
You keep bugging us about this. So it's time
to go. Um, I've got an interesting hypothesis
for Jake after this that I'm going to bring up.
Okay. So, um, your thoughts on the bands, the
good, the bad, the ugly. Yeah, so, well, I sat
down at 3 o 'clock UK time and I sat there more
or less all the time until 1 a .m. in the morning
to watch this. So, you know, I saw the whole
lot. And I must admit, I was interested in all
of it. There weren't that many bands that I was
really upset by. I enjoyed Mastodon to kick it
off. I thought they were really good. I really
enjoyed Rival Sons. As I mentioned, I enjoyed
Hellstorm. I thought that Steven Tyler really
stole the show. I was surprised how good he was
because he's actually older than Ozzy. He's had
throat problems, as we know, and Aerosmith have
kind of split up, I guess. But there's something
there, isn't there? It's almost like he's sort
of saying, let's get the band together again,
because he was absolutely fantastic. He was a
proper showman. It's the best I've ever heard
him sing live. Yeah. He was so damn good. And
he looked every bit of rock star. He hit the
stage and was like... What I've heard people
say from his performance is that he'd probably
be able to do like a residency where they're
playing once a week for like two months, but
no more touring. Like his voice just can't do
the touring grind and that he sounded so fantastic
because he hasn't. Played live in, well, he did
a show like two months ago. But previous to that,
he hadn't done anything in like a year. It's
interesting because Joe Perry's got the Joe Perry
project on tour at the moment. But I think that
when all that's over, I would hazard a guess
that Aerosmith will do something. And like you
say, it won't be a full tour. It'll be, you know,
the odd one or two massive gigs. because I just
think he's ready for it again. So we'll see.
I hope so because I'd like to see them. But anyway,
so that was Stephen Tyler. Moving on, what else
did I like? I actually liked Slayer. Slayer were
a surprise to me because I'm not a massive Slayer
fan, but they killed it. They were very good.
As we know, Metallica always kill it, so I thought
they were excellent. We'll move on to Ozzy and
Black Sabbath probably a little bit later. We'll
talk about them because it's all about them.
I'll just talk about the other bands. Who didn't
perform? I'm sorry to say Axl was terrible, really
terrible. The band themselves were amazing. I
mean, Guns N' Roses are a very tight band. They
know they've played live now for a long time.
Their music is fantastic. They've got great songs.
Who's the new drummer? Victor, do you know him?
Um, for guns and roses. Yeah. Who is that drumming?
Ian, I forget his last name, but he's the drummer
for, uh, Duff McKagan's loaded. Oh, he, he was
really good. Really, really good. Yeah. They
were stripped down, you know, they only had the,
they didn't have the keyboard guys and all that
other stuff. And, you know, yeah, yeah. I thought,
I thought the band was excellent. Yeah, it's
just Axel. Axel was terrible. I mean, he really
needs to give it a rest now. It's a shame because,
I mean, he doesn't even look like a rock star
anymore. He's got his hair cut short and, you
know, he just looks like a bit of a corporate
guy who's come out from a marketing meeting.
It's a shame because he's trying his best. You
know, he is doing his best and he's there on
time now, which is great to hear. But he can't
sing. You know what he sounded like to me? You
know those videos, Victor, that we share, the
Todo Casa Bien stuff? It sounded like those guys
did this video and they just overdubbed Axl's
vocals with one of their goofy vocals. He hit
every note. He was on key and everything and
hitting every note, but he was just kind of singing
like this. I thought, well, maybe he's just got
to get loosened up a little bit. Maybe when he,
when he hits, when he does one of their songs,
then he'll bring it out. But no, it was, and
who knows what's going on with him, but I give,
I'm going to, you know, his voice. Yeah. It was
not good. Not what you would expect. But I have,
I'm going to, I'm going to go a little bit opposite
of Jeremy on this and say that I, he, he came
out. And he appeared to be giving it his all.
He appeared to be having a good time. You know,
he did it. And, yeah, I thought even with his
really goofy voice, it was pretty damn cool.
The songs they chose were just great. I love
that they're going all these weird deep tracks
from the albums that most people haven't even
heard. By the way, there was another person who
didn't sing very well on the day, and that was
Papa V, really terrible at singing Black Sabbath
songs. Even though he's great normally, I really
didn't enjoy it at all. Yeah, there's a couple
of things about him. Well, actually, a lot of
people. One thing that this concert proved is
that, say what you want about Ozzy, people will...
say his vocal, he's not a very good singer, blah,
blah, blah. Uh, try to sing one of his songs.
Yeah. It's not easy. It's really not easy to
sing it well and sound good. There's, there's
only a couple of people I think that covered
one of these songs and vocally sounded great.
One of them was Jay, um, um, rival sons, that
dude, holy crap. Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was the
real deal. And he sang the crap out of electric
funeral. He was so, so good. And the other, which
was a huge, just a huge surprise. Cause when
he walked out on stage, I was prepared to just
start throwing stuff. Like I think a lot of people
work, you know what I'm talking about? Youngblood
that dude, I think he's, he like had a moment
that whole concert. It's like for one moment,
everything, everything just kind of stopped.
and focused on him singing that song. He's, I
don't really care about changes. It's one that
I never put on any of my tapes when I, you know,
I had only sets of Sabbath. It's a song I would
skip. Uh, it's just like, eh, it's just not a,
yeah, it's not a great song, but I loved him
singing that song. And he put, he just. He just
drew the whole crowd in. He got up there and
everybody just got on board right away. He just
had that natural charisma. So I'm going to give
bonus points to that guy. I liked it so much
I actually went and listened to his new album,
which I'm going to say is actually pretty good.
So you guys should listen to it as well and form
your own opinions. Maybe the guy's not such a
wanker after all. I agree with you on both of
those singers, by the way. You're spot on. Yes.
Let's go back. Let's go back to Papa though.
He comes out and he's like, Hey, you go to buy
it for me. And the crowd was just kind of crickets,
just crickets. And I mean, I'm not going to say
he's a great singer, but he's, he's a good singer.
I mean, he knows how to sing, but it was, he
wasn't awfully, just wasn't good. And there was.
He was in a lot of people that sang those songs.
Look at Sammy Hagar singing, what, Flying High
again, and then singing Rock Candy. It was night
and day. I mean, he really struggled on Flying
High. You got to wonder about things like, you
know, how well did he really know the song? Did
he know the lyrics that well? Did they, I don't
know if they had a teleprompter or whatever they
were doing. But yeah, he killed Rock Candy. He'd
sing his ass off on that. So it's not that he
couldn't sing. It's just. I'm going to say right
now, it's just really difficult to sing Ozzy
songs and make them sound well. Yeah, that makes
sense. The other thing is in terms of the guitarists,
there were two. Obviously, he's got Zach Wild,
who played a blinder. He was amazing. Jake Ely,
I wasn't fussed with. I don't know whether his
guitar wasn't just turned up enough for me. I
didn't like the sound that was coming from his
guitar. I didn't think he's... I don't know.
It just, it didn't resonate with me. So, you
know, Zach over, over Jake Healy any day. I hear
that Jake's having some problems with arthritis.
Okay. He said he couldn't play a bark at the
moon. He refused to do it. He says, I can't,
I can't do it. I can't. Right. Yeah. He sounded
like he hadn't been playing much recently. A
lot of people were like, oh, Jakey Lee was so
great. I'm like, were you listening or just watching?
Yeah. You guys didn't know what you were experiencing,
but yeah, Jeremy is 100 % right. Jakey Lee was
just kind of, he was a little off. Nuno played
the solo to The Ultimate Sin. Yeah. Nuno was,
he was beyond on point, man. He was so damn good.
But he's amazing. He's just an amazing guy, isn't
he? I want, I want to play. I want, I want him
in my band and I want Chad Smith. I think about
all the drummers. Chad Smith was just that, that
dude, that dude kills man on the drums. He just,
he just grooves. He played, he, he like makes
everything sound better when he plays. And the
same thing with Nuno, you get Nuno and Chad Smith.
And, and then of course me and the band would
kind of bring it down a bit, but I'd give it
a shot. I'd love to play with those guys. Yeah,
Nuno to me, out of all the footage that I've
seen, to me was kind of the MVP because he nailed
everything. And as I'm watching these videos,
I'm thinking back to people slagging on Nuno
for playing with Rihanna and this and that. And
I'm thinking about a recent, or maybe not that
recent, but he was speaking to Rich Beato. saying
how more than words was, was kind of a curse
for them because they were just known all of
a sudden for, for playing acoustic songs. And
man, we, we know that that first single that
came off, that came out off of that last album
off of six, where it was like Nuno saying, okay,
Eddie's gone. I'm now the king of the hill. And
he just came out, plays a solo that just puts
more or less every solo that's come out for the
last 30 years to shame. It's just ridiculous
how good he is. And it's funny because there
was a point in time where I don't think you would
have ever imagined Nuno playing with guys from
Anthrax or with other stuff like that. And they
had actually done stuff for HBO on Game of Thrones
where they had played some stuff together where
it was him, Scott Ian and Tom Morello. So that
probably facilitated all of that. But Nuno was
amazing. I mean, I haven't seen all I haven't
seen. Well, I haven't seen Shot in the Dark because
I've never liked that song. That was David Draymond.
Yeah. David Draymond is again, more proof that
singing Ozzy isn't that easy. When David Draymond
walked on stage, I felt like, Oh, my Uber driver's
here. And he, he didn't exactly bring the crowd
in, you know what I mean? It wasn't, it was tough,
tough crowd. Yeah. Well, the other thing too,
Anthony mentioned it. There's, you know, he's
very outspoken in the political reign and, and,
you know, there's a lot of people that aren't
on his side at the moment. So good, bad, or indifferent,
you know, unfortunately, you know, I'm, I have
no issue with bands stating their political point
of views, but I think he's, outspoken to the
point where he's almost beating a dead horse.
It works continuous. You know, you, you can have
Gene Simmons kind of saying the same message,
but it isn't every single interview. It isn't
every single post. It isn't. So, no, well, he
didn't bring it on. He didn't bring any of that
on stage with him. And I'm cool. I'm cool with
that. I, I, uh, Yeah, he just got up and sang,
didn't he? Yeah, he was. He didn't say anything.
He just sang the songs. And he's a good singer,
but it didn't work. It didn't quite work for
me either. Yeah. But that's the way it is. They
gave him two songs. Yeah. Two songs. Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, it was. It was an interesting
mix all day, really. And, you know, I was expecting
that. I think I was expecting it to be a mixed
day. You know, I knew that not everybody was
going to get the Black Sabbath songs. I knew
that you wouldn't like every single band. It's
a bit like Live Aid where, you know, you watch
that and, you know, you watch some of your favorites
and then you... Jeremy, tell us what you thought
about Billy Corgan. What did I think about Billy
Corgan? Yeah. I haven't got any strong views
on Billy Corgan. Why? I thought his singing was,
he shouldn't sing Judas Priest and he shouldn't
sing Black Sabbath. They're two of his favorite
bands. I know, but there's a lot of, I mean,
there's a lot of bands. I like Billy Sheehan,
but I shouldn't try to play his stuff. Yeah,
yeah. But it just falls into the category of
what you were saying, which is that, you know,
it's very hard to sing these songs. And, you
know, only one person really sings them, and
that's Ozzy. And, you know, we'll get onto that
in a minute, how good Ozzy was, really. The best
thing Billy did was his wardrobe choice. I got
to give him credit for that. Well done, Billy.
I haven't seen it. So just think, just close
your eyes and think of Uncle Fester. Okay. And
then let it go. You got to remember all, all
of these bands were giving up their time free
of charge. It was all for charity. And generally
I thought it worked, you know, I thought the
way they put it together. None of it was awful.
And I'm just, I'm just, you know, yeah. Yeah.
You got to say, but you've got to have some talking
points. And even if it's something's bad, at
least you've got a talking point. And that's
always a good thing as well. Yeah, I don't think
anybody should have been booed. I don't think
anybody should have been, you know, roasted.
Well, this is just good, good natured critiquing.
Let's put it that way. Yeah. What band do you
guys think got booted from the... Oh, that's
a good question. Well, I know several that probably
weren't. I'm trying to think, really. It's very
difficult to think because it could be literally
any band. Do you think Gene Simmons was invited?
Well, no. No? Definitely not? No, no, no, no.
There was nobody from KISS invited to this because
there's always been whether they want to admit
it or not. I mean, Sabbath opened for KISS. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. They have. Okay. And they opened
for Boston. I refused to go to that concert.
Yeah. How could black Sabbath open for Boston?
What the kind of bizarre world are we living
in? It was more than a feeling. Um, Kansas. Yeah.
But, and, and I've heard Ozzy say stuff about
over the years of, Kiss thinking that they invented
everything and that, um, and that, you know,
kiss thinking that they're the greatest and blah,
blah, blah. And, and, and him saying something
to the extent of, well, they can kiss my ass.
Um, I mean, I, I, I think that there's, there's,
there's probably some jealousy there. There's
probably something about. You know, because Kiss
came along when Sabbath was kind of taking a
downturn and they kind of ran with the mantle
there for a little bit. They were direct competition
for them in the 70s. You know, as Kiss was coming
up, Sabbath was, you know, on technical ecstasy
and never say die. They weren't exactly, you
know, barn burners. um with the albums or with
the tours so and that's when you know destroyer
um rock and roll over and love gun were coming
out and you know we we still get back to the
point of uh people in in the uk having an issue
with because of the makeup and all the theatrics,
and now all of a sudden there's no issue with
Sleep Token or President or any of these British
bands that are doing the same thing. What we
do know is it's a band and not an individual,
don't we? So that's what was said. It's a band
that got kicked off. Yeah, yeah, a band got kicked
off. Yeah, because I was thinking it might be
somebody like Dave Lee Roth, but obviously he's
on his own, and I don't think he'd be on that.
It's more of a metal. It's going to be more metal
-y. But Sharon has denied that it was Megadeth.
Well, Kelly Osbourne said it wasn't Megadeth.
Okay, okay. So let's say it wasn't that. Sharon
was asked if it was Iron Maiden. Yeah. And Iron
Maiden was playing in Madrid, Spain at the time.
Yeah. It wasn't them. We know it's not Judas
Priest because they did a little video of Best
Wishes. And again, they're on tour, so they couldn't
come. Yep. They had announced that they were
playing with Scorpions on their 60th anniversary
show in Hanover, Germany, and those tickets were
released. In April, and apparently they had asked
if there was any way that they could get out
of it or if scorpions could change the date to
another day. And there was no way of doing that.
Priests should have been there. And they would
have been awesome. ACDC is another one where
they tried to get Angus, but again, due to commitments,
he couldn't make it. The one word is Soundgarden,
but that doesn't make sense to me because they're
not a touring entity right now. That isn't a
band. I mean, you could have, could Kim Thayil
have played? Possibly. The one that keeps kind
of coming back around to me. Which to me was
kind of shocking that not a single member of
this band was there. Even if there are issues
with their lead singer having health issues.
Motley Crue. Why wasn't Tommy Lee or Nikki Sixx
there? Because they've been tied to Ozzy since
the 80s. He's quote unquote the guy that gave
them their biggest, you know. a platform before
they took off. Yeah. Maybe, maybe them. Yeah.
Because who, who else that's out there? That's
kind of a big deal. That would have been, that
would have been asked to, to be there. You know,
I'm kind of surprised like Joe Elliott wasn't
there. Cause he, he's always in on all this stuff.
He's, he's a huge fan. of all this stuff. And
he gets involved in all of these things, but
he doesn't like being pigeonholed into the whole
metal thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So,
so, so what are you, what are you going to have?
You're going to force him to come out and do
another hit and run or something like that. Or
that's, that's going to actually go over with
that crowd. Is he going to come out and want
to do hysteria or. two steps behind or, or, or
something off of, uh, you know, their new album.
You can do it. Yeah. But was, was, I mean, let's,
let's be honest to any, you know, live aid. Yes.
All the young, all the young dudes was done and,
and, and so on and so forth. But would that have
fit in? Would, would them covering Bowie at this
made sense? No, but did Train Kept a Rollin'
make sense? But I guess it was actually a song
that he'd recorded. Yeah, but I mean, to get
a Rolling Stone on stage, I mean, that's where
Angus Young would have fit. You know, could you
imagine Angus Young, Ron Wood, and Steven Tyler
in track? Yeah, that would have been awesome.
Yeah. I wonder if we'll ever find out who got
kicked off. Well, Sharon said that she was going
to tell us once it's all over. Once it's all
over. But here's the thing. All right. So plausibility
of this coming out on DVD, because we're talking
about certain sets not being very good. So right
off the bat, this was what, 10 hours? Yeah. Right
off the bat, would they release all 10 hours?
Well, it wasn't 10 hours of performance. There's
a lot of breaks. I don't think it's going to
come out because of getting all the legal stuff,
everybody checked off, every band, every person
that performed, getting all those people to sign
off, their lawyers to sign off on it and stuff.
That's going to be really, really difficult.
And then you talk about Tool. Never been presented
in a video thing. They might be like, you know
what? Yeah, we don't want to be on a DVD. We
like to keep our mystique and we didn't mind
doing it and having it be gone. I think it's
going to be a hard thing to put out on DVD. That's
my opinion. I'll give you an alternative opinion
because I think it will definitely come out on
DVD. And the reason why I think that is because
they had already recorded all those snippets
for in between. And I think that those are going
to be on the DVD as well. I think the plan was
to always make money out of it. It wasn't to
make profit out of it. It's to make more money
for the charities. And I think that there's no
reason why they couldn't do it because I think
they would have signed up at the outset to say
that they were happy to have it on the DVD. And
I think it will be edited and I'd be quite surprised
if it wasn't. That's my aim. Just, just my opinion.
Okay. Um, we didn't, we didn't talk about the
Aussie and the Sabbath set list. No, no. Just
to talk about. Go ahead. Who are they? Okay.
Well, one thing that was super cool about this
show is number one, my brother's watching it
in Connecticut. I'm in Idaho. And we're back
and forth. He's calling me. We're texting, all
this stuff. And then I got people in the Signals
from Mars chat group that were watching, especially
Jeremy. And it was kind of cool bouncing things
back and forth, giving live opinions of what's
going on. It was a cool shared experience that
way. But the funniest thing was right before
Ozzy comes on, Jeremy sends out a message. I
know, guys, it's really late and I'm tired. I'm
going to go to bed now. Yeah. Yeah. I thought
that, I thought that was completely brilliant.
And I, I kept thinking, man, I'm so glad I didn't
go to this thing. Can you imagine trying to stand
there for that long? I'm a geezer, man. I'd be
like, after the first three bands, I'd be like,
I got to sit down. Yeah. Yeah. But, I mean, the
Ozzy show was really good. I mean, Zach Wild
performed really well for it. I thought it was
amazing. Ozzy, obviously, we knew he was going
to sit down. I wasn't expecting five songs. It
was heavily influenced on the first album, as
we know. Four of the tracks were off the debut
album that he did, which was great because it
was such a great album. He did the ones that
he's comfortable doing. I thought his voice sounded
amazing. Obviously, we know that he's got Parkinson's
disease, so he's shaking a little bit. But he
practiced and he got it all together. And it
was as good as, if not better than I was expecting.
Definitely better than I expected. Yeah, there
you go. Yeah, so really enjoyed that. And then
Black Sabbath themselves, he came out and he
obviously done his own stuff first, so he was
a little bit more relaxed. And they did their
four songs that we kind of... imagine they were
going to do particularly paranoid and iron man
uh and not iron man you said iron man i think
brad but i was said war pigs yeah uh and they
they were great i mean the other thing about
it was it wasn't all about aussie i mean it was
bill ward i mean you know bill bill was back
in the band and that was an amazing moment as
well which is kind of overlooked really um you
know everything's about It's all about Ozzy joining
the band and Black Sabbath coming back. But nobody
really mentioned Bill a lot. I think he did a
good job. You know, he's not played for a long
time. They're all old guys now. And it was amazing.
So, Jeremy, the big hot point on Bill is him
taking his shirt off. Yeah. Are you okay with
that? Well, I was okay. Tony said he looked like
Gollum. I've seen a lot of old guys with their
shirts off in a field somewhere sipping a beer.
I mean, he didn't really have the body to take
off a shirt, but hey, it's Bill Ward, so he can
do what the hell he likes. That's right. I want
to just say this. I thought this is the way Sabbath
should end with the four original guys playing
together. Yeah. I never felt good about the way
they previously had ended it with another drummer.
It was Black Sabbath, but it wasn't Black Sabbath.
This was Black Sabbath. This is the real deal,
all four guys. It was incredible. It was just
very emotional. I got to hand it to all the people
who were there at the show. There were a lot
of young people there. You know, as they panned
out and they all stayed and they all brought
it. When Ozzy was on, everybody was just up for
it. When Sabbath came on, everybody was up for
it. And you could just, I mean, great audience.
So well done all you people who went to this
thing. And yeah, it was a great show. It was
well worth more than I paid for it. Sorry, Sharon,
don't send me a bill. Yeah, yeah. The interesting
thing is that Ozzy did five songs and Black Sabbath
only did four. And it was weird because I imagine
that Ozzy could only actually sing a couple of
songs because we know how ill he's been. But
actually, he was okay singing once he sat down.
And I heard later that Tony Iommi had said that
they should have done maybe some more. He wanted
to do some more with the Black Sabbath set. Yeah,
that would have that. Yeah. I mean, even though
I think for us, it was more about Black Sabbath.
But the person who was putting this whole thing
on, it was more about Ozzie. And in a way, it
is because Ozzie is the one who's really, you
know, not going to be able to keep doing this.
I mean, Tony Gieser, if he wanted to, they could
keep playing Bill. So I suppose Bill has two
new albums coming out that he's done. They had
reservations a long time ago about Bill doing
a lot of songs, didn't they? So maybe it was
Bill and Ozzy together and they thought, you
know, if we do more than four, we're pushing
it. And they probably thought that's enough.
Yeah, that's a fair point. There was probably
some discussion in there, but I want to hear
from Bill. Bill, how did you feel, man? Could
you have kept playing? It's not like you got
to play tennis tomorrow or something. Yeah. Well,
the other thing to consider as well, as we mentioned
with the Anthrax set, the Sabbath songs aren't
short. War Pigs is how long? Six, seven minutes
long. NID is up there as well. Iron Man is, I
mean, Paranoid is the only one that's three minutes
long. The Ozzy songs are all short. Yeah. Really
think about it. Yeah. So that's... Yeah, Warclays
is like almost eight minutes long. Yeah, so that's
the reason why they only did four. It probably
played most of the same amount of time, but it
was more songs for one than the other. So now
let's bring up... We've seen this. We also know
what Rush did, for example. And for the longest
time, people were saying, well, that's the way
to go out. Before you overstay your welcome.
There's nobody saying, well, yeah, you have some
assholes out there saying, oh, they shouldn't
have put Ozzy through that, blah, blah, blah.
It's that and the other thing. I'll say this
to anybody that says that. Ozzy's the one who
wanted to do this. He's the one who actually
brought this whole thing on. Because he kept
saying, I want one more time in front of him.
I want to be able to perform one more time for
my people. And, you know, this wasn't Tony pushing
it. It wasn't Geezer pushing it. It wasn't Bill
Ward pushing it. It was Ozzy. And then there's
everybody that's like, oh, it's only Sharon.
Sharon's going to keep pushing him out there
until he dies. You know, I think this is all
Ozzy. He wanted to do it. And God bless him.
I'm glad he got to do that because how many performers
get to do that? Get to come back and do their
one show for their people and have it be a big
deal? And he pretty much said that when he was
out there live. He kind of said that in between
the songs, didn't he? He was saying how much
he loved it and he wanted to do it, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I give this whole thing top marks. I
think... You know, we can be nitpicky about stuff,
but it was a, it was an incredible event. I loved
every minute of it. You know, it was so cool.
Block out, block out a whole day. Got my, you
know, in my theater with the cranked up and just
chatting with all my, my buddies. It was, it
was an awesome experience when I, I won't forget.
Yeah. So here's my, my question to you guys.
Okay. What other bands would you like to see
hanging up in a similar fashion? Okay. I've got
a few. What about you, Brad? I'm thinking. Let's
hear your few. Okay. So I'll give you my first
one. I'm thinking of sort of a Deep Purple tree
because obviously Deep Purple is still playing.
I think it would. go down well in the UK market,
but probably abroad because they've gone quite
popular again recently with their newer albums.
But I'm thinking more, you know, they could play
a lot of the stuff from the past. You could have
Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow on there. You could
have Glenn Hughes playing. You could have Gillan
playing. You could have David Coverdale's Whitesnake
playing. And it would be all in various formats.
And there'll be other people playing Deep Purple
songs. I think that would kind of work. You'd
definitely get Metallica on board for that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. That would actually
be really cool. Could be really cool. It's too
bad John Lord's not around, though. Yeah. The
only thing there is, would Ian Gillen be fine
with having Glenn Hughes and David Coverdale
on the same bill. Problem at the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Yeah. You'd like to think he'd
be a bigger man than that. Yeah. And they're
playing at different times of the day. They don't
have to run into each other. Even so, it's like,
come on, guys, we're all adults here. Let's all
hug and let's have a celebration of the music
of this band, which you guys are all part of.
And we're all pushing on 80. What does it matter?
Yeah, yeah. Come on. Let's just play this one
last time. All right. So who else? Who else?
Is this another one of mine? So I'm thinking,
I'm also thinking maybe, well, I had a few written
down, but I'm thinking, obviously they're on
tour at the moment, so it's not kind of a farewell,
but you'd want an Iron Maiden one. because I
think there's a lot of bands out there that would,
you know, play an Iron Maiden song. And I think
that there's going to be a time when Iron Maiden
are going to say, hey, you know, we need to hang
up our boots. No, you die with your boots on.
What are you talking about? I was waiting for
that, yeah. And yeah, so I think that, you know,
this would be the final swung song for Iron Maiden
with a big show. You talk about singers having
a tough time covering Aussie songs. David Draymond
singing an Iron Maiden song might be pretty interesting.
I don't know. But I agree. Actually, Iron Maiden
was the first band I thought of that this would
be a great way for them to go out because they're
worldwide. I mean, they're huge everywhere. It's
not like just little spots or whatever. They
could draw that kind of audience in from all
over the world to watch this. Iron Maiden fans
are pretty rabid, man. I could see that being
successful, them being able to pull it off. So
good one. Good one, Jeremy. Brad, you? Oh, go
on, Brad. Yes, you'll say. No, no, no, no. Go
ahead. Go ahead. Well, the one band I think another
band would have been really good, but I think
they've kind of missed that opportunity is Kiss.
Oh, yeah. You think about how every. Again, every
musician my age and younger for 10, 15 years,
they're all KISS fans. And most of them will
tell you, I'm a musician because of KISS, because
I saw KISS and that's what got me into this.
So you would have a huge group of people wanting
to be part of that, wanting to get out there
and do KISS songs. And I'm going to say this,
a lot of people have done really good KISS covers.
I think that aspect of it would be much better.
Yeah. Yeah, so you'd have that kind of huge group
of people wanting to play. And yeah, you could
get the Kiss guys to... You still got the original
guys, man. Dude, if they did it like Sabbath
and said, okay, we're going to get the original
four guys, come out and play three songs, four
songs. Tell me, Victor, that wouldn't be huge.
Tell me that the world wouldn't stop spinning
for, you know... 30 minutes. It would be the
biggest thing in America, wouldn't it? It would.
It would. Yeah. Kiss maybe not as big in other
places, but it would still be huge, man. People
would, people would tune into that, but I, I
just don't see it happening. No. Again, people,
people didn't need to quit being, you know, so
petty about stuff and like, like just say, Hey,
you know, these guys are my, these guys are my
family. You know, let's do this one more time.
Let's get Peter out there. Yeah, he can't, you
know, he probably can't play as well as Bill
Ward, but that's all right. I mean, just to see
him play just three songs. Yeah, and we're talking
about a charity event as well, so that would
encourage people to just turn up and just play
a few songs and go out. Yeah, people would, you'd
have to tell people, no, we have too many people
wanting to be part of this. You'd have so many
musicians that would want to be part of this
thing. Brad, was that purposeful that you just
said, he's not Bill Ward, it's all right? No,
but good one. Yeah, yeah. Can I say something
about Axl doing it's all right? I don't know
whether he had to pee or something, but man,
he was playing that as fast as I've ever heard
that song. I've never heard them cover it before.
So probably clock in front of them, telling them
it got, it got faster. Is he, this is the first
song you're playing. Yeah. And I don't know that
he was really like ready to play the piano there
on that. Cause he was kind of a little bit choppy
and didn't do the whole song and just kind of
blew through it. And he looked like he took a
deep breath afterward. So it's like, Oh good.
I can just sing now. Okay. But yeah, you could
have got Adam Wakeman out there to play the piano
and have him just sing it. Dude, that would have
been pro. Here's, here's. All right. So here's
the thing with, uh, that you just mentioned with
kiss that I want to get back to. All right. Does
this show now make kiss rush? Oh, can you imagine
a rush doing something like this? Hot sink. How
does, how does. How does this change what other
bands do now? Because now we've brought this
back and Getty and Alex say, okay, let's, let's
do this. Let's do again. They can do it in Toronto.
You could have a full day's worth of shows of
people playing originals and covers of their
songs. And then they come out. at the end of
the night, and they play four or five songs.
Them two with guest drummers. They come out,
they play with Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey, two
other guys, you know, a different drummer per
song. Peter Criss. I was jokingly going to say
Ringo Starr, but... Peter, Chris is okay. If
we're going to put, yeah. Ringo star versus Peter,
Chris, I'm going to put my money on Ringo. I'm
sorry. Yeah. Me too. But outside of this, I mean,
bands that I'd love to see do something like
this. You guys mentioned iron maiden. I'd love
to see Judas priest do this. Yeah. I'd love to
see Judas priest too. I just don't think they
have. I don't think they have the fan base to
pull it off a worldwide thing like this. Unfortunately,
Judas Priest has kind of drifted down into the
B -plus territory of bands. They're not going
to be able to sell out an arena or whatever,
but I would love to see it, though. I think Judas
Priest did something like that. But here's your
selling point. You're going to get Metallica
to play that. Oh, hell yeah. You might even get
Iron Maiden to play that. Ooh. Maiden? Metallica?
See, Nicko could probably pick up the sticks
and do a couple of songs. Come on. You could
see that? I could imagine a band like Scorpions.
I was just going to say that. Scorpions, yeah.
Scorpions, Saxon. Anthrax, Slayer, huge Judas
Priest fans. So it doesn't necessarily have to
be because Rush isn't a huge band worldwide either.
But you get them in the right spot. You get Rush
in Toronto with a bunch of bands of that stature.
You get a Judas Priest. In Birmingham. With huge
bands like that. And it happens. It works. I'd
go if I could. I'd pay to watch it. Yeah. All
of those bands. All those bands you guys have
talked about. There's one other band we've not
mentioned. That's ACDC. That's my other one that
I was going to mention. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. ACDC
for sure. Why didn't I even think of that? AC,
ACDC, you could have them play anywhere in the
world. You could have ACDC play at the local
soccer field, which was 10 minutes walking away
from me. And you could invite any band you want
and that's going to sell out and sell a worldwide
pay -per -view. Yeah. Any band is going to want
to play because any band plays an ACDC song.
So it's just, it's a no brainer, but they play
anyway at the moment. So they're not going to
want it. They're not interested. But listen,
these bands, this was a discussion I had earlier
this week. These bands are not getting younger.
Yeah. This, this is a way for them to fade out
in the sunset. Yeah. Does it have to be ACDC
now? No. But could it be ACDC in two years? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Where they aren't touring, where
this is a way for them to say, OK, look. Yeah.
This is it. We're going to go out. We're going
to do this one big show. We're going to invite
all these people along. And that's going to be
the end of it. Aerosmith. We mentioned Stephen.
Yeah. Yeah. They were another one on my list.
Yeah. Absolutely. They could do it. And by the
way, as a final Swan song, we haven't discussed
Led Zeppelin because there's still some original
members around and they could do it. My problem
is I don't think you're getting Robert Plant
anywhere near that because I think Robert Plant
doing those songs live is going to make Axl Rose's
It's Alright sound like Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah.
You know, the thing is he doesn't have to do,
you know, he could cherry pick three Zeppelin
songs that you feel comfortable singing and do
that and then have everybody else because it
doesn't everyone else is doing the rest. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, for this concert,
it was all about Black Sabbath and Ozzy, but
all those other bands that played, I loved all
of that. I can imagine Aerosmith doing Kashmir.
I can imagine, you know, Metallica doing Custard
Pie. Steven Tyler's singing a whole lot of love.
He was, he killed it. He killed it. And I know,
I know he actually went and jammed with those
guys after they did the reunion thing. And then
Robert Plant was like, I'm done. I know they
flew Steven over there and rehearsed with him.
And I was like, I don't know about that. But
after listening to him singing, I'm like, guy,
he. He'd be great singing for Zeppelin, man.
Right now. Holy crap. He was good. I'm still,
I'm still blown away about how good he was. So
is that the seed? Okay. That's a brilliant idea
actually. Cause everybody, but Johan, Johan would,
would not watch it because Zeppelin's not hard
rock. It's not. Or metal Dan doesn't care for
them. Could Motley Crue pull something like this
off? No. No. No. On a smaller stage instead of
a huge stadium like the LA Fall or something
like that? Yeah, I guess so. Smaller stage. But
I don't think anyone's going to be as interested
in that. It's not. Yeah. How many big bands are
going to want to queue up to be part of that?
Journey could do it. Wow. Yeah. Especially as
they get, um, Steve Perry. Yeah. We're going
to do one, one last show and Steve Perry is going
to sing with the band and, um, wow. Yeah. Journey
journey could probably do it. Still not as big
as some of these other bands, I think, but, but
they could, they could do something like that.
Those guys can't get along though. The hell's
wrong with them. Seriously. You can maybe do
a queen one because obviously Brian may still
around and you've got Roger Taylor and they could
come out and do a few queen songs and you probably
get a load of people doing queen stuff. Yeah.
You probably, you probably saw that. Didn't they,
they got some kind of award. It wasn't, it wasn't
that over there in the UK and they, they have
a bunch of people doing queen songs. We had Papa
doing Bohemian Rhapsody, which he actually did.
Yeah, that's right. I love that the boys are
sitting there eating dinner while they're, you
know, Bohemian Rhapsody is going on. Brian May
is like, this salad dressing is a little spicy.
So I didn't, I wasn't aware that Jake was having
problems with his hands as you had mentioned.
I don't have a confirmation that somebody told
me that. Somebody told me that he refused to
play Bark at the Moon. He said, I just can't
do it anymore. I just can't. Because it's a tough
lick to play. Well, but is that maybe from the
recent shooting? Because he claimed it was, well,
the person who told me this claimed that he said
it was arthritis. Well, but here's the thing.
With Red Dragon Cartel, he was playing all that
stuff. Right. But that was years ago. I mean,
that was a while ago. Yeah. Dragon Cartel show.
Four or five years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Trust me,
when you get to when you get to this age, one
year. Exactly. What I'm going to feel like a
year from now. Yeah. Four or five years. It's
just a long time. So this is an exponential decrease.
Yeah. This is what I was going to throw out,
the possible thing for Jake. I guess based on
what you guys are telling me, you guys are going
to poo -poo all over my idea here. But I'll throw
it out there anyway. No, no, no, let's hear it.
So, yeah, so Zach Wild started Zach Sabbath as
a way to kind of keep Sabbath music going. What
if Zach decides to... Start up another project
with Jake where they keep the Ozzy material going.
Short tours. You don't have to do a long year
long tour. Maybe you do a month and a half, two
months worth of touring. Doesn't have to be in
large arenas. Yeah. What's that? You get Billy
Corgan to be the singer. You wouldn't necessarily
need Billy Corgan, but. Zach's already doing
Ozzy vocals with the Zach Sabas stuff. Yeah,
you're right. He sings Ozzy really well. You
know who really sings Ozzy well? And Jeremy already
talked about this, is Jack Black. Holy crap,
his voice is really suited for Ozzy. He was amazing.
He was the best. I'm still going to go Jay from
Rival Sons. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But two of
them are amazing. He has so much swagger, man.
He's got the maroon suit on, no shoes or socks,
and he's out there just killing it, running back
and forth. I was like, crap, how can these guys
be so damn good and not be bigger? But if you
had one of those singing in that band that Victor's
just mentioned, it's got legs. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
not going to poo -poo that. Who knows? Maybe
Jake can, you know, with some physical therapy,
some occupational therapy, get his fingers going.
The human body can do amazing things. Yeah, it's
a good thought. Yeah, I think it's a great idea,
Victor. I'm not going to poo -poo it. Yeah, it's
a good thought. But an even better thought is
whether Sabbath will continue to do anything
after this. I hope not. Just because they hit
this so well. It's like, why risk going out not
looking that good? You've got to stop now. Stop
now. But Ozzy is definitely going to stop. We
know that. But is Tony Iommi going to stop? Oh,
I hope Tony keeps playing. I mean, he can still,
he can, but Willie, I don't know. I got to tell
you something, you know, as somebody who's recently
retired, your whole, it changes your whole outlook
on doing things. It's kind of like, eh, I don't
know. Yeah, you're going to lose that drive.
Well, maybe I'm just talking about me. It's like,
yeah, I'm going to go conquer the world now.
I don't know. I'm going to sit back, have a beverage,
and watch the world go by. But Tony said, he
said, this is the end of the chapter, but it's
not the end of, what did he say? It's not the
end of the story. The end of the story. So that
was quite a poignant message that he put out
because it means there's something extra, whether
he means that it's the legacy that everyone will
talk about or whether he's actually got plans
to do something else. And I'm thinking, is he
going to do something with Tony Martin? Yeah,
but that's not going to have the same. I mean,
I'm thinking. You're right. And nobody's going
to queue up for that other than us. Well, we
will. Yeah, we'll be interested. But yeah, I
agree. But he brought out, obviously, the Tony
Martin era stuff recently. Is he going to produce
a solo album with Tony Martin singing? But it's
not going to be Black Sabbath. It's just going
to be Tony Iommi. I mean, Tony always gives me
the impression that he hasn't given up yet. He
wants to do something. You know, what I'm saying
to you as well is that... There were four songs
played. Tony was the only one who said we could
have played five more. He wanted to do it. I
think Geezer can still play, but I know from
listening to him in interviews that he's kind
of like, he's kind of checked out a little bit.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, somebody calls with
something, you know, come play with me for a
couple songs. Yeah, he'll be there. I'll go do
it. But Tony's done a couple of sort of instrumental
things, hasn't he, which he's sent out there.
And he's done the remastering of the Black Sabbath,
Tony Martin era. He's always wanting to do something.
I'm just thinking he thinks, because Black Sabbath
is his kind of baby still, isn't it? I'm just
thinking, does he think there's something there?
What's that? It's his, but not legally. The Osborne
family owns 75 % of it now. Yeah, yeah. But he
could do his own thing, which sounds like Sabbath.
Yeah. I mean, I could imagine he's recently talked
about re -releasing Born Again in a remix. That's
supposedly he's done. That's a supposedly done
deal that he's remixed it. I could see them,
I could see them releasing live stuff from, you
know, from the band, from the Ozzy era, like
there being more material from that side of things.
I could see how the story continues with that.
Yeah. I got, I got an idea. Okay. This is based
on listening to Jeremy talking about one of his
favorite singers. Ronnie Romero is that they
could do geezer and Tony could do a tribute to
the Dio era of Sabbath and heaven and hell. They
can, they could do something like that. There's
plenty of singers out there that can do really
good. Ronnie. Yeah. You know, you know, people
would queue up for that too, to jump in on that.
It's like, let's do, let's do a celebration of
Ronnie. Yeah. But I think, I think, They would
have done that by now. Well, yes and no. It's
been 15 years since he died. But, I mean, the
thing is, this that just happened opens this
up again. I mean, I don't think anybody thought,
well, who's going to want to do this? Who's going
to put up the money, this and that? Now that
they've done this and pulled it off and it's
been a real big success, I think it opens it
up to other people trying to do this kind of
thing. So I agree with that, but I don't see,
you know, they're not going to be able to use
the Sabbath name. Heaven and hell. But it doesn't
have the same. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. So
I've got a question for you. We know how well
Ozzy sung at this thing. We know that Ozzy is
finished as a live act, but Ozzy has never finished
as a recording act. Yeah, he's going to put on
more music. I know. Do you think Black Sabbath
are going to release another album? With Andrew
Watt producing? It'd be better than Rick Rubin
producing. I'd actually like to hear that. They've
all got together. They've all played well together.
They released 13, but it didn't have Bill Ward
on. Do you think they could follow up with a
very final Sabbath album, 2026? What would they
release? I think it'd be really cool. I don't
think that. I don't know. Here's, here's, here's
maybe not an album, but let's remember when they
released the reunion album, they had selling
my soul and psycho man on it. One of them had
Bill Ward. One of them had Mike Borden on drums.
Yeah. Maybe that's what they do for a, if this
ever comes out as an actual album or as a box
set, maybe we get a new Sabbath song or two.
to kind of wrap things up. I wouldn't put it
past Sharon to have already got this in her mind
to think that, you know, we could just push one
more album out. We've done this live thing and
there's a big interest now in Sabbath. Everybody's
listening to Sabbath again, talking about Sabbath,
you know. Maybe 13 wasn't the last album. Maybe
they will do one more. Having said that, why
would they do it? Because there's not much money
in an album. It's more in touring these days
and merchandise. But they would sell a lot of
merchandise and a lot of other stuff based on
an album. Yeah, 13. And it would get to number
one in the UK pretty easily, I think. Could they
be planning on doing the same thing that... Kiss
is doing right now and that ABBA has done with
doing something in Birmingham related to Sabbath.
Oh, right. Yeah. We have to be avatars. I mean,
it can be what I've always discussed where it's
actual footage of the band playing, where you
actually go to a, you know, a, a, a 2000 seat
arena. Yeah. And. for this month, you're going
to have, you know, the Sabbath doing this tour,
or you're going to have Sabbath doing this other
thing. And, you know, at that, at that time,
I mean, do you get, do you get a Sharon to kind
of bend a little and say, Hey, you know what,
we're going to do a Sabbath festival for people
to go see. Do we throw in a Dio song in there?
I doubt it, but you know. Yeah, I think a sort
of avatar or a live sort of show of some sort.
Yeah, it's got a lot of legs. Definitely possible.
Again, Sabbath is a band that could do it. Sabbath
in the right place, which is Birmingham, who's
already bending over backwards for the band.
Here's the other thing to take into consideration.
Led Zeppelin and Judas Priest are both from the
same city. Yeah. Yeah. Do either one of those
bands have a bridge? Do they have a bench? Do
they have all the murals that Sabbath now has
in that city? There isn't that same tie -in with
those two bands that there is with Sabbath. Yeah.
The other thing to bear in mind, which you two
guys probably don't know, is that Birmingham
City Council is actually bankrupt. And so they
could do with a lot of revenue. They need to
bring a lot of money into the city at the moment
because it's the only city at the moment that
I know, the only major city that is completely
on its knees. I won't go into all the details.
There's a lot of politics involved, but there's
a lot of in. sort of detail as well. But the
main thing from that is that they would welcome,
they would really welcome a big Black Sabbath
continuation, if I can put it that way, you know,
from this gig to have people coming into the
city to have revenue from whatever is being done
in Black Sabbath's name. I think that it would
be very good for Birmingham. So, so, so there
you go. If there's any type of museum exhibit,
uh, avatar, um, whatever you may be planning,
maybe a Sabbath museum. Yeah. Birmingham is a
place to do it. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I went
to the, um, I went to a temporary museum exhibit
in Birmingham. for black Sabbath. It was really
good. They had all Tony's guitars in there and
they had various bits and pieces and some, you
know, nice video footage and yeah, they could
do a permanent thing in there. I'll tell you
what, watching this, uh, this show the other
day made me feel like I need to go to Birmingham.
I need to go there. I, yeah, it's great. Yeah.
It's a good city. Great city center. I really
like it. So. So there you go. I have to go to,
I have to go see Jeremy too. Yeah. Well, if you
go to Birmingham, I'll come and meet you there.
Yeah. You don't want me to know where you live.
I get it. You did meet me in London. So yeah,
I did. Yeah. Jeremy's got a secret life. He's
trying to protect. No, you can come and visit
me here. It's fine. Okay. Awesome. Any parting
words before we wrap the show up? Brad? It was
a day that I will remember forever. It was fun,
and it was really cool to be able to share it
with the people. The Signals from Mars group
on the chat, it was great to be able to share
it with those guys, and it was really great to
share it with my brother. As you know, he's probably
the world's largest Black Sabbath fan. And it
was just fun, man. It was a fun day. And I'm
so glad I was able to have that day to be able
to take in the whole thing. Excellent. Jeremy?
Yeah, I'd just say that without Black Sabbath,
heavy metal would be all the poorer. They've
contributed so much to the genre that we like.
and that we love, and we'll never forget them
because we've got all the albums, we've got the
CDs, and they'll live on forever. And they've
influenced so much over the years, and it's just
been great. You know, everybody knows Paranoid,
and that marks a band out from the sort of the
almost -rans, the also -rans, because, you know,
when you've got a song that everyone knows, even
your mother -in -law, it's, you know. That big.
You don't know my mother -in -law. The other
thing is, you look at the crowd at this thing,
you know how tough it was to get tickets. I feel
like most of the people I saw there were young,
younger than me. Young people. Young people there,
which means Sabbath. Sabbath is going to live
forever. Yeah. Heavy Bells having a renaissance.
People are into Maiden and Sabbath and all the
old bands that we got into when we were young.
People are getting into them again. Yeah. It's
not like people were giving away tickets to that
thing. Yeah. Yeah. But because they're amazing
songs, if you don't have the amazing songs, you
ain't going to be remembered, but you will be
if you have those great songs. Yeah. songs and
the personality of everybody in the band is it's,
it's the, there's the whole package. There you
go. And on that note, folks, I do want to thank
Brad and Jeremy for joining me for this awesome
discussion. With that, we will end the show.
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