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Welcome one and all to episode 418 of Signals

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from Mars. I'm your host Victor and for this

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episode I welcome Matt and Tanner from the documentary

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Lifers. I was lucky enough to check this documentary

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out a few weeks back and I just had to reach

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out to them to discuss the movie with them and

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help promote it in any way that I could. So this

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is the episode. I'm ready. Matt's been on the

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show several times in the past, and I've known

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of Tanner because of his show on the CMS. And

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listen, anytime that I've reached out to Matt,

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he's always been great to me. He's always been

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a help. So anytime that somebody is good to me,

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has a project to promote, I'm more than happy

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to do it. And this is one of the funnest interviews

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that I've ever done. There are people that are

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on me to interview more and reach out to this

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person, reach out to that person. But when I

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watched this documentary, I knew that I needed

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to speak to them because it's something that

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I really enjoyed watching. It's a long movie.

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I'm not going to lie to you. But it's really

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cool. It's really in -depth and lifers. It's

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about music lifers. Shit, they could do one on

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podcasters. The lifers in the podcast industry.

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Been doing this since since 09. So it's we're

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what? We're four years away from. Yeah, from

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20 years. I'm almost that. Actually, no. First

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podcast that I started was 16 years ago. And

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then this podcast, the Mars Attacks podcast.

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came about in September of 2009. So I've been

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podcasting since 2009. I've done over, at this

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point, well over 1 ,100 episodes between my original

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podcast, Fusion Sonica, Mars Attack Signals from

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Mars, Talking Metal, The Mark Striegel Show,

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The Mark Striegel Recap Show. my Victor M. Ruiz

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podcast on Patreon, and guesting on other shows.

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Yes, I'm not up there like other shows that are

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up in the thousands or up, have twice as many

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episodes as I do. Fortunately or unfortunately

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for me, due to health issues over the years,

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I just couldn't keep up. And due to having kids.

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and taking care of my family and other life priorities.

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I just haven't been able to keep up and I'm fine

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in 2025 to be where I'm at. Listen, I wish it

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was the good old days of the wild west where

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I was pulling in 10 ,000 views per episode or

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10 ,000 listens per episode. I see other shows

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coming along. And getting more subscribers on

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YouTube and on Facebook and Instagram and all

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that. And that's awesome. And I applaud them.

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And there's a lot of people that I've talked

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to behind the scenes over the years. And I'm

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proud that they've been able to do that. It just

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hasn't worked out the same way for me. And I

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also don't have the time to sit there and pound

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the pavement on social media like others do.

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I don't like social media. I use it because of

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the podcast and little else. I'm not ashamed

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to admit that. If it wasn't for that, you probably

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wouldn't find me on there at all. Anyway, rant

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off here. Lifers, check the documentary out.

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All the information regarding it is coming up

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with this interview with Matt and with Tanner.

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At the moment, as I'm recording this, And there's

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still physical copies available. So if you're

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a collector, go to their band camp and check

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it out. So it's really worth it. All right. Thank

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you so much for listening to this episode. And

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thank you so much for supporting the show. Let's

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get on with things. Welcome one and all to the

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latest episode of Signals from Mars. I'm your

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host, Victor, and joining me today are Matt Hartnett

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and Tanner Poppin from the documentary Lifers.

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How are you guys doing? Doing great, Victor.

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Thanks for having us on, man. Really appreciate

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it, dude. Doing awesome, man. How you doing?

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Good, good. I'm honored to have you guys on.

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Matt, this is, I think, your second or third

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time on? I think third time on, yeah. Tanner,

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this is your first, so I appreciate you guys

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jumping on here to talk about the movie, the

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documentary. I was mentioning this to Tanner

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off air. I wanted to make sure that I could sit

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down and watch this in one sitting. I knew beforehand

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how long the movie was going to be. So it took

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me a while to see it, but not because I didn't

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want to see it. It's just that I wanted to carve

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out time just to watch the whole thing in one

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sitting and absorb it all in one sitting. The

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movie is lifers. The documentary is lifers. I

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keep saying movie. I want to say film. I want

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to say documentary. Does movie bother you? I

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mean, there are some people that... No. I mean,

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I mean, you know, movie, film, like you said,

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documentary, it's all kind of rock doc, whatever.

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It's all same. It's all relevant, relevant, right?

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I mean, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. What was the catalyst

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for you guys to start working on lifers? Well,

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you know, just an idea came to me a couple of

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years ago, you know, just doing a lot of the,

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you know, obviously doing the podcast myself

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and talking to a lot of these artists, you know,

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a lot of them, obviously, as you do too, Victor,

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a lot of these artists are. Middle -aged guys,

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right? A lot of them too might not have had much,

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you know, I would say commercial or mainstream

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success. Maybe they've had some, you know, been

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on some good labels and had to, you know, put

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out a couple of records on some of those labels,

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good independent labels, but they never really

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hit it big to where they could do this full time

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and make a living off it. And so I just, it just,

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I just thought to myself, you know, I wonder

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how these guys do it. I mean, how do they balance

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it around their work, their family? And what

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really keeps them driven and motivated to go

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out there and keep putting out records, to keep

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touring. And even if they're playing in front

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of you on a Wednesday night in front of 20, 30

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people, traveling that far and obviously not

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making really any money off it. I mean, they

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come back, maybe they break even or they make

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a little bit. But really just to kind of delve

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into the question we asked all of them is, why

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do you still do it? you know, as it's in the

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film at the end there. And that's what we want

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to really get the answer to. Why do you still

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do it? What is, you know, what drives you, motivates

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you, and how do you balance it around basically

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the rest of your life? And so, you know, that

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kind of came to my mind. I was talking to Tanner

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about it one day. I said, yeah, I got this really

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idea of a film I think I want to do. And when

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he heard the idea, he was like, hey, man, you

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know, I'm on board. Let's do it. And so we decided

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to kind of, you know, just put together five.

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musicians, artists that we thought were, you

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know, had, had, you know, some pretty interesting

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careers and I've had some success, maybe not,

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like I said, mainstream or commercial success,

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but did some things and are out there still doing

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it. And this, like, like the movie says, their

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life is right. There's something that they just

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can't stop doing. And just kind of wanted to,

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yeah, give just people a sort of a, a glimpse

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or a synopsis of what these guys do to make all

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that happen. Yeah. And with my background, I've

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done a couple of films. So I was, my main focus

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was kind of just to like capture that vision

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that Matt particularly came up with. So I thought

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it was a cool idea and like how I was going to

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play my part was just like, just do the best

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job of capturing it and giving them the materials

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to put a film together. Cause it's not really

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easy to put a film together when you don't have

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the pieces to in place to do that. So that was

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a great idea. And it's, it's, You know, here

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we are today talking about it. So it's been awesome.

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Cool. And were there other ideas you were kicking

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around or was it immediately lifers? This is

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what, you know, because I know you're a creative

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person with podcasting. You know, there are so

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many ideas being thrown around and different

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things that you have to sort through and figure

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out exactly in what direction you want to go

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in. So were there other things you were contemplating

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or was it this right off the bat? Yeah, this

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was kind of it off the bat. I mean, obviously,

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the way the film came out, there were some things

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that maybe were in it that I didn't think of

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maybe at the time until we did the filming. And

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of course, there were some things we wanted to

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get. We were thinking of getting that we didn't

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maybe get maybe because, you know, a lot of it

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to some, you know, I mean, obviously, since this

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is our first film together doing this, we didn't

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have anything to show some of these guys. Right.

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Right. Like a reference. They say like, look,

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it's going to kind of be like a room like this.

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So I think a lot of them didn't really like know

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what we wanted to do. And we kind of explained

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it to them, but it was also like, okay, you know,

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it's one of those things where it's hard to really

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understand what our vision was until it's out.

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So, you know, that was one of the things too,

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is you sure we wanted to obviously get, you know,

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and then the guys in the film ball, I'll tell

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you that, you know, I was asking them for some

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stuff. Tanner was asking them for some stuff.

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And, you know, I think either they didn't feel

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comfortable giving it to us because of not having

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any background in this yet. Or maybe there's

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just certain personal things they didn't want

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to put out there, which we totally understand.

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So, yeah, there is a couple of things in the

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film that, yes, that weren't planned, that just

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kind of came up as we were filming, that were

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like, oh, you know what? We could put this in

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there and so forth. But in terms of the overall

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general idea, this was really the main idea.

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But obviously, everything in the film, it wasn't

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like that's what we wanted to get originally.

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It just kind of came up. So we said, hey, this

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is a good piece that we can include in it. I

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think the biggest obstacle was trying to find

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a name to fit the movie. Totally. Were there

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other names you guys were throwing around? Yeah,

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but nothing really serious. There was a name

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or two I threw to Tanner. I said, you know, we

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had like a temporary name in the beginning. And,

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you know, after thinking about it for a day or

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so, I was like, no, we could do better than that.

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You know what I mean? We could think of something

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better. So Lifer's just kind of. And I don't

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know how exactly it came to me. And I remember

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I ran it by Tanner. I said, what do you think

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of lifers? He was like, hey, perfect, man. That

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actually fits with everything we're trying to

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do. And so, and, you know, and everyone else

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was happy with the name too. But yeah, obviously

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the name is always kind of a, always the, probably

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one of the most challenging things to do, right?

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Since it's your branding and you want to make

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sure you nail it and don't come up with something

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kind of silly or stupid or something that doesn't

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stick. So we thought just one word lifers and

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it fit really kind of what it was about. You

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know, these guys are lifers, right? They're doing

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this for life and there's, you know, there's

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no stopping them. So we thought it was a pretty

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ideal and fitting name for it. Yeah. Okay. And

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you kind of alluded to this a moment ago. What

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was something that an artist gave you that you

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weren't expecting? And what was something that

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maybe you thought they were going to give you

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and they didn't give you? Well, that one we can

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answer pretty easily. One of the things we wanted

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to get in the beginning was obviously, and we

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completely understand why it didn't happen. Again,

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we were new at this and we were obviously hoping

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to get at least a cameo appearance by Bill Church

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himself. And obviously, you know, we asked Trevor

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at first, he seemed open to it. And then, you

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know, I think the more we... We went to Fresno.

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We asked about it. And I think he had been sick

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for a little bit. So he's like, yeah, you know

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what? My dad's not really, you know, feeling

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good. Maybe it's not like the best time to do

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it. So we had to go back to Fresno and do some

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more filming. And I guess the same thing. He

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wasn't really feeling too good. So I think in

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the end, maybe, and he'd have to answer himself.

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But I think a lot of it was like, you know, who

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are these guys? They haven't done any films yet.

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You know, he knows. We've interviewed, obviously,

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Trevor Beach, both of us, multiple times for

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our podcast. uh again you know it's a music business

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right i mean and and he's very protective of

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his dad's legacy and very understandably so you

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know and so uh you know and he had just put out

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a book too uh bill church martin popoff did a

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book on bill and um really good book too uh i

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suggest everyone out there if you know you saw

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what you liked with bill in the movie and his

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past really really great book that uh trevor

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did with martin popoff to put that out and so

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You know, I think it's just one of those, like,

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you know, it's a music business, right? Everyone's

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trying to get their hands in the cookie jar and

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it's a very, you know, shady and not trustworthy

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business. So I don't think we had built up yet

00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:08.639
that relationship with him where it was like,

00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.440
okay, yeah, here's my dad and here's whatever.

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He's very protective. So we totally understood

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why at the end he didn't really, maybe he kind

00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:17.919
of backed out of doing that. In terms of what

00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:23.059
was in the film that we didn't expect to be in

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there. I guess there's a few things, you know,

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I guess one of the things that sticks out to

00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.080
me was when we started and we had originally

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got Eric into the film. Shortly after we agreed

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to do it, I noticed he had put out that he was

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actually going to go do a reunion show with the

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band Overloaded, one of his bands in Detroit

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that he was in. And so when I found out about

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that, I said, hey, this would be a great thing.

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Me and Tanner talked, we both decided, yeah,

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this is a good thing we can include in the film.

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So we had asked him, you know, obviously while

00:14:54.990 --> 00:14:57.309
he was there to get us some footage and everything

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and to get that portion. And I thought that piece

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was really good, you know, to kind of come full

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circle with his Detroit roots and how they did

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this reunion. I think since then they did another

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show as well. I think about a month or two ago

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they did a show back there again. So that was

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something that in the original planning wasn't

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in, but once. I saw he was doing, I said, we've

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got to take advantage of this. And so me and

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Tanner, you know, both hit him up and said, Hey,

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let's, let's get this in there. So we did, that

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was something that wasn't planned that yeah.

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Eventually made it in there. Well, and we had

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pretty much given like a list to all these guys

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and Eric literally checked off every single like

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item on that list that we sent out. So that was

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really like refreshing for me just in it, it

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made in my particular opinion, His parts seem

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there was more to it with his parts just because

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we got a lot out of of Eric per se. Now, again,

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if I had done a few films beforehand. So this

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wasn't my first, but it was our first just as

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a collective. So I completely understand with

00:16:04.929 --> 00:16:08.529
Matt as to, you know, maybe some people were

00:16:08.529 --> 00:16:10.409
hesitant to give us some some things that could

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have made the film even even better than what

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I, you know, I mean, I'm. particularly proud

00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:18.580
of it i know matt is as well and um it could

00:16:18.580 --> 00:16:22.120
have definitely made the film um that much better

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that much cooler but um i i think eric was the

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biggest surprise for me personally yeah he got

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us eric got us everything plus times 10 that

00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:34.200
we asked him to get he was he was great to work

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with and really easy um in terms of really you

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know but at the same time you know we've had

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a i know you've you know you you know eric i

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know victor i know he's been on the show And

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we've all had a relationship with him for some

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time. So there was that sort of relationship

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already built where he trusted us. And, you know,

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he knew we were going to do well by him and everything.

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And so, as we know, it's all about the relationships

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in this field. And so, you know, I think that's

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why we were able to get more from him than some

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of the others, just because there was already

00:17:01.590 --> 00:17:03.649
that relationship. But in the end, we were grateful

00:17:03.649 --> 00:17:06.549
to all of them for getting us what they did get.

00:17:06.589 --> 00:17:08.609
Of course, we wanted more and more. And, you

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know, we just want, want, want. I'm just grateful

00:17:11.900 --> 00:17:13.420
in general that they all agreed to do it and

00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:15.119
they got us what they did so that, you know,

00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.319
the film came out the way it did. Yeah. Eric's

00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:20.980
funny like that. You, you send something his

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way saying, Hey, you know, I'm looking to talk

00:17:23.299 --> 00:17:25.900
about this topic. You want to chime in or you

00:17:25.900 --> 00:17:28.359
want to, you know, I'll, I'll ask, well, we're

00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.319
voting on this on the show. Do you want to, I

00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.279
don't know if I can, you know, say anything about

00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.180
that or I don't know if I really have an opinion

00:17:35.180 --> 00:17:38.119
and like five minutes later. Okay. Well, what's

00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.599
made me think about it here. Yeah. Great. Like

00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.599
that. Yeah, he is. No, he's, he's, he's, he's

00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:46.240
always been easy to work with and always very

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open and forthcoming with everything, you know,

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and he's quick. He got it to us. Very quick.

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Like super quick. Very real professional, man.

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He really is the consummate pro. He really is.

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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Outside of bill,

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is there anyone else that you guys approach that

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you wanted to include that? ended up not wanting

00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:11.829
to be part of the movie yeah well you know obviously

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the two you know the the two biggest names in

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the film obviously were were trevor and ruben

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you know ruben obviously being um being a part

00:18:20.410 --> 00:18:22.890
of the original uh fu manchu lineup on those

00:18:22.890 --> 00:18:26.470
original albums that were huge uh same with nebula

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um so of course yeah i wanted to you know dig

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a little into you know um I tried to get somebody

00:18:35.869 --> 00:18:40.269
who was in both of those bands, obviously. But

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I think it's the same kind of thing. I think

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a lot of it was most of the guys, we explained

00:18:46.109 --> 00:18:47.970
to them what the idea was about. But obviously,

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like I said, we had nothing to reference it and

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say, hey, it's going to kind of be like this.

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And because we didn't have already, like I said,

00:18:55.089 --> 00:18:57.349
too much. I mean, like I said, Tanner said he

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has a couple of films. in terms of us working

00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:04.220
together and just something out there that a

00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:05.539
lot of people know about. We didn't have anything.

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So I think it was, well, what's this going to

00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:11.640
be? If I'm going to go reach out and ask this

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guy to be in it, I mean, first of all, as we

00:19:13.779 --> 00:19:16.799
know, a lot of times when people come up with

00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.380
these ideas, they start filming, they put out

00:19:18.380 --> 00:19:20.940
trailers. These films don't get finished. And

00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:22.740
so I think that was the other thing was just

00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:24.559
like, well, is this going to even go through,

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right? I mean, because we're just two, you know,

00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:30.109
as I say, two clowns with a camera. you know,

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going and filming these guys. So they're just

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like, they don't know how professionals can look.

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Cause we just got a camera. We're asking them,

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you know, we're interviewing, we're doing things.

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So they just didn't really, we've got most of

00:19:40.089 --> 00:19:41.549
them had come out and said, you know, this was

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much better than they thought it was going to

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be. And so I think that kind of gives, gives

00:19:46.069 --> 00:19:48.210
us an idea is okay. They just didn't know. And

00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:50.190
they were like, there's just two dudes. It's

00:19:50.190 --> 00:19:51.990
not like a big, you know, production thing here.

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So I think they were just hesitant to get anybody

00:19:55.210 --> 00:19:58.259
else involved. and reach out and then this thing

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either not happening or it not really being that

00:20:01.299 --> 00:20:04.000
professional not looking that great so again

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:06.119
yeah i mean we try you know which i tried to

00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.759
get you know an expo manchu you know nebula member

00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.759
um but i think because of that you know or either

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you know this and i don't know what the relationships

00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:18.559
obviously these guys have with their old bandmates

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um there might not be you know in the case of

00:20:21.380 --> 00:20:23.000
the guy who's trying to get he used to be a nebula

00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.799
Nebula had two of their bases die within one

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year. So it was a real, do you want to really

00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:34.539
go there? So again, I think just a lot of them

00:20:34.539 --> 00:20:36.839
were hesitant for that reason. So obviously,

00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:40.640
like Tanner said, we definitely had more that

00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.759
we wanted to get. But I think considering we

00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.440
had no background together and had no other product

00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.000
together, I think what they gave us, we're very

00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.940
just grateful they did. And at least we put out

00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:53.630
a quality film. and i and i also want to add

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too i i also appreciated all like the secondary

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uh players in this like i love the fact that

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we got cat from old blood she was like super

00:21:00.490 --> 00:21:04.049
supportive and like super um just like ready

00:21:04.049 --> 00:21:06.349
to go literally got off the stage and did like

00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:09.529
a 15 quick 15 minute interview that that um we

00:21:09.529 --> 00:21:12.569
absolutely love to that that was included so

00:21:12.569 --> 00:21:14.410
like i think it's kind of those little moments

00:21:14.410 --> 00:21:17.670
for me that really like are my favorites of the

00:21:17.670 --> 00:21:23.019
film itself Yeah, that's it's funny looking at

00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:25.019
Kat because she usually only has half of her

00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:26.799
makeup on. But in the interview, she's got like

00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.240
a quarter on. As soon as I saw her, I'm like,

00:21:30.299 --> 00:21:32.980
wow, this is fresh from her getting getting off

00:21:32.980 --> 00:21:37.480
the stage and half of that. And that's cool,

00:21:37.579 --> 00:21:39.839
too, because, you know, I follow her on social

00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:43.500
media and follow the band and whatnot. So to

00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:47.559
put a voice. With the image and, you know, it's

00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.759
not the same as hearing her sing, just getting

00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:52.279
her opinion and her feedback, because obviously

00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:54.579
she's there and she's living through a lot of

00:21:54.579 --> 00:21:57.240
these different things. So it's cool to get that

00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.880
type of feedback that also isn't somebody that's

00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:02.759
going to be bullshitting you either. You know,

00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:07.200
I think what you're saying as well is that there's

00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.599
just so much shit that happens with the music

00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:13.529
industry that, of course, these guys have. you

00:22:13.529 --> 00:22:16.470
know, a shield up and they're weary about who

00:22:16.470 --> 00:22:19.210
to talk to, what to say, you know, who they're

00:22:19.210 --> 00:22:21.490
going to actually spend their time with. So,

00:22:21.549 --> 00:22:23.930
I mean, it makes sense. Everything you guys are

00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:26.630
saying makes sense. Yeah, no, it is. And like

00:22:26.630 --> 00:22:30.279
I said, you know, we completely. understand it.

00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.299
And like I said, the good thing is, is, you know,

00:22:32.299 --> 00:22:33.700
and we'll talk a little bit late, but we, we

00:22:33.700 --> 00:22:35.859
are going to, you know, be doing a second one

00:22:35.859 --> 00:22:38.240
of these. Okay. And so, and so the good thing

00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.980
is, is now that we've got this, we've got something

00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:42.720
we can reference to. I don't think we'll have

00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.740
too much of a problem in that area going forward.

00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:48.839
Hopefully. Yeah. And I also think because Matt

00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.940
and I are fellow musicians, so we do understand,

00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.019
you know, the trepidations that musicians would

00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:58.279
have for, you know, some new. quote unquote new

00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:02.200
people um coming in and kind of trying to put

00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:05.640
um a spotlight on their careers or do something

00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:08.940
nice um for the bands and whatnot like we understand

00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:11.359
that the the trepidations when it comes to that

00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.480
just being musicians ourselves so i just want

00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.140
to throw that out there absolutely yeah okay

00:23:17.140 --> 00:23:20.359
and why did you guys decide to do a long form

00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:24.230
documentary as opposed to doing a, you know,

00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:27.210
a, a series, a, you know, you had the five different

00:23:27.210 --> 00:23:29.970
interviews. You could have focused on one guy

00:23:29.970 --> 00:23:32.569
for, for each part, but you guys decided to do

00:23:32.569 --> 00:23:36.609
the, the long form instead. Yeah. You know, it's,

00:23:36.670 --> 00:23:39.250
we, we obviously had some discussions on, you

00:23:39.250 --> 00:23:41.930
know, how to go about doing that. I think, well,

00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:44.190
originally when we started this, there was going

00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:48.980
to be four and not five. The fourth, you know,

00:23:48.980 --> 00:23:52.279
originally we had, you know, Ruben and Eric,

00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:55.039
you know, locked in from the get -go. Ruben was

00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:58.140
the first one I'd asked to do it when I saw his

00:23:58.140 --> 00:24:00.339
band, The Freaks, play up here. And I'd interviewed

00:24:00.339 --> 00:24:04.480
him before and so forth. But we had another person

00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:08.779
I was going to approach. Actually, it's kind

00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:12.420
of funny. When we got Kip and Nacho is actually

00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.019
where we kind of started. We already had the

00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:17.220
idea of Ian Tanner. We went to the SoCal Heavy

00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:22.160
Jam that's featured in the film. And we had talked

00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.059
previously about doing the film. So when we were

00:24:25.059 --> 00:24:26.480
down there, I said, hey, there's somebody who's

00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.200
going to be playing here that I'm going to approach

00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.180
and I wanted to ask to be in it. And what happened

00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:34.079
was when we got down there and we saw how the

00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.099
festival was run, I had known, I'd interviewed

00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.779
and kind of knew a little bit of Kip and Nacho

00:24:40.779 --> 00:24:43.180
beforehand. But when we saw... just how great

00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:44.819
the festival was, how it was run. These guys,

00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:47.700
how genuine they are, how, how just of a community

00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:50.140
feel that that festival is. They bought, you

00:24:50.140 --> 00:24:52.779
know, they bring in food for everybody. I mean,

00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:54.480
it's just really something you don't see anymore.

00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.359
And we were just both kind of blown away. And

00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.119
we both just kind of sat there and I was like,

00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.200
you know, this is, we both just talked about

00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.160
it and said, you know, we should really have

00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:05.779
these guys part of this, you know? And so the

00:25:05.779 --> 00:25:08.329
person I was going to ask at the time. I decided,

00:25:08.369 --> 00:25:11.069
you know, we're going to ask these two. You know,

00:25:11.069 --> 00:25:13.069
this is, I think, a better fit for what we wanted

00:25:13.069 --> 00:25:16.430
to do. And then the last person we got in was

00:25:16.430 --> 00:25:19.789
Trevor. So we kind of had them in sort of as

00:25:19.789 --> 00:25:22.069
a package kind of thing because they work together

00:25:22.069 --> 00:25:24.769
with the festival. Their bands obviously haven't

00:25:24.769 --> 00:25:26.950
been around as long. They haven't had the history

00:25:26.950 --> 00:25:29.670
as the other three have. So we were going to

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.650
kind of combine them, which we kind of did. But

00:25:32.650 --> 00:25:34.549
after, you know, doing all the filming and after,

00:25:34.630 --> 00:25:36.509
you know, I was editing everything and kind of

00:25:36.509 --> 00:25:38.250
cutting it up and we got it down to about the

00:25:38.250 --> 00:25:40.650
two hours and 40 minutes that the film is, I

00:25:40.650 --> 00:25:42.849
was going to then, you know, maybe cut some more

00:25:42.849 --> 00:25:45.210
of it. But I said, you know what? Like, it was

00:25:45.210 --> 00:25:47.369
really hard to do that. I wanted to have everyone

00:25:47.369 --> 00:25:49.829
give their story. And when I went through it

00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:51.410
all, I said, I don't really see how I could take

00:25:51.410 --> 00:25:53.069
any of this out without it. Now, you know, it's

00:25:53.069 --> 00:25:56.529
all relevant to their story. So we just decided,

00:25:56.650 --> 00:25:59.289
you know, in the end, instead of, you know, cutting

00:25:59.289 --> 00:26:03.200
out of one scene or, you know, you know using

00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.980
that maybe as bonus footage or you know just

00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:07.700
trimming it down it's just like you know what

00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:10.140
this is the story let's it's a little unconventional

00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:12.980
I know it's a little longer but I wanted to make

00:26:12.980 --> 00:26:15.259
sure they all had their story in there as full

00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:18.880
and so it was definitely a decision we definitely

00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.839
kind of wrestled with a bit you know should we

00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.900
shorten it should we keep it but in the end we

00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:26.900
decided let's just keep it as it is you know

00:26:26.900 --> 00:26:29.920
going forward yes I think having the five was

00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.130
a bit much I think four with the timing that's

00:26:33.130 --> 00:26:34.609
the only complaint we've gotten obviously if

00:26:34.609 --> 00:26:36.509
anything was just that you know it's it's a little

00:26:36.509 --> 00:26:38.690
long which we understand yeah it's not something

00:26:38.690 --> 00:26:40.309
that you know maybe someone can watch within

00:26:40.309 --> 00:26:42.529
an hour and a half one setting as i when i you

00:26:42.529 --> 00:26:44.410
know when i sent it to you as i said you know

00:26:44.410 --> 00:26:46.710
you might take it might take multiple settings

00:26:46.710 --> 00:26:48.809
to finish this up you know but some people have

00:26:48.809 --> 00:26:50.450
said i watched it right through it was great

00:26:50.450 --> 00:26:52.569
so it's all in the night you know the eye of

00:26:52.569 --> 00:26:55.250
the beholder as they say right so um but yeah

00:26:55.250 --> 00:26:57.650
definitely that was the one thing we had that

00:26:57.650 --> 00:26:59.650
we wrestled with was definitely the length and

00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:02.670
i think it's because Yeah, having five might

00:27:02.670 --> 00:27:05.829
have been a lot to, you know, for a lot of people

00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:08.170
to digest. But in the end, it was just like,

00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:09.910
you know what, instead of cutting, we wanted

00:27:09.910 --> 00:27:11.529
everyone to give their story. So we just decided

00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:14.089
to leave it in there. Yeah. And, you know, Matt

00:27:14.089 --> 00:27:17.769
and I really, we really got lucky with this because

00:27:17.769 --> 00:27:20.890
the SoCo heavy jam that Matt's referring to is,

00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:25.210
I think, from 2023. And it just so happened that

00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:28.410
Kip was playing with Formula 400 at the time.

00:27:28.809 --> 00:27:30.650
Now, we didn't know anything that was going to

00:27:30.650 --> 00:27:32.650
happen, obviously, the next year. And we had

00:27:32.650 --> 00:27:34.990
already kind of planned on like kind of wrapping

00:27:34.990 --> 00:27:38.650
it up with like the 2024 SoCo Heavy Jam. Now,

00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:43.190
we didn't know that Kip was going to be retiring

00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:45.470
from the band. So that kind of threw a whole

00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:47.809
wrench in and kind of made it even more extra

00:27:47.809 --> 00:27:50.730
fun to try and come up with an idea of like,

00:27:50.809 --> 00:27:53.589
how are we going to put this in the film? So

00:27:53.589 --> 00:27:56.250
like we really got lucky on a few key moments.

00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:58.759
of the film, in my opinion as well. I don't know

00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.259
if Matt wants to, if you want to discuss any

00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:03.720
of that or. Yeah, no, I agree with you. Like,

00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:05.240
yeah, the Kip thing, that was a thing too. You

00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.059
know, I mean, obviously with him leaving, that

00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:10.180
opened up this, when it first happened, I was

00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:11.680
like, oh my God, well, what are we going to do

00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.079
now? You know, the movie's called Lifers and

00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:16.039
Kip's no longer alive, you know, he's retiring.

00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.279
So, but we thought actually that's a good thing

00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:22.079
to feature as him. You know, having to leave

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.200
the band because, you know, of his age and his

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.819
and, you know, it's the pain. He's got shoulder

00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:28.460
issues. He's got a lot of physical problems.

00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.759
And just just obviously just getting to a point

00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.680
where you go, OK, you know, maybe I guess I am

00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.000
done. So in the end, it was like, actually, you

00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.319
know what? This is actually a good thing. This

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:40.019
will make the give a little twist to the film.

00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.319
And so, I mean, of course, I wish he was still

00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.480
with the band because, you know, he's good at

00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.720
his instrument. He's really the guy behind the

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.119
band that really has gotten them to where they

00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.720
are in terms of being out there on social media

00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.839
and promoting the band. He was really the face.

00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.920
He's the guy on social media pumping them. Without

00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.180
him, I mean, not a lot of people would have discovered,

00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:05.400
you know, Formula 400. Yeah. So, and of course

00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.799
we had to then include that part as well. So

00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.880
it did open it up to be a little bit longer because

00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.579
of that as well. And, um, you know, but obviously

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:14.680
that is the, the one thing is the length that's

00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.119
usually done, but usually what docs are usually

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.180
an hour and a half to two hours, you know, but

00:29:19.180 --> 00:29:21.039
we thought, you know, this is a different type

00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.480
of documentary anyway. Why not just give them,

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.220
let them all have their stories and we just won't

00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:29.160
really focus too much on the, the time itself,

00:29:29.259 --> 00:29:31.900
you know? So, um, yeah, that's why it's as long

00:29:31.900 --> 00:29:33.839
as it, you know, as it is, we just didn't want

00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:35.920
to. take anything out. We always, we thought

00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.680
everything that was in there, it was relevant

00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:39.880
and needed to be kind of said. So we just left

00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.240
it in. Yeah. Yeah. The other cool thing is, is

00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.880
that he also does say that he's going to continue

00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.819
to help work with the festival moving forward.

00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.099
So at least in that sense, he still is a lifer

00:29:52.099 --> 00:29:55.819
in the sense that he's leaving formula, but he's

00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:57.559
still going to be involved with the scene and

00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:02.410
promoting things as well. So. Yep. And. Yeah.

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:04.329
And he says in the film too, about how they,

00:30:04.390 --> 00:30:06.549
you know, they might do like an all -star kind

00:30:06.549 --> 00:30:08.230
of jam thing and they are going to do that. And

00:30:08.230 --> 00:30:10.069
that's all scheduled for this year's heavy jam.

00:30:10.130 --> 00:30:13.069
So that is. Yeah. So exactly. You're right. He's

00:30:13.069 --> 00:30:16.470
still a lifer. Absolutely. Yeah. I will be filming

00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:18.349
that. Maybe we could do some bonus material with

00:30:18.349 --> 00:30:25.549
it. We never know. So. How much did the late

00:30:25.549 --> 00:30:28.410
great Bob now bandians influence play into this

00:30:28.410 --> 00:30:31.549
documentary? Well, obviously, well, to be honest

00:30:31.549 --> 00:30:33.710
with you, you know, when I had the idea and I

00:30:33.710 --> 00:30:35.890
approached Tanner to do, you know, for us to

00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:38.869
do it together, you know, at first, you know,

00:30:38.869 --> 00:30:42.569
I wasn't sure, you know, in terms of like, this

00:30:42.569 --> 00:30:44.529
is a big, you know, it's a big undertaking to

00:30:44.529 --> 00:30:47.410
do a documentary. I was, you know, very blessed,

00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:49.789
you know, to have, you know, to work with Bob

00:30:49.789 --> 00:30:53.369
on the Bay Area Godfathers to do some work right

00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:55.569
here in the studio with him on that film. So

00:30:55.569 --> 00:30:57.329
I got to see Bob, you know, obviously in action.

00:30:57.869 --> 00:30:59.750
With the film and I got to, you know, see him

00:30:59.750 --> 00:31:01.970
how, you know, pick his brain and how he's putting

00:31:01.970 --> 00:31:03.690
everything together. And, you know, with Bob,

00:31:03.690 --> 00:31:05.789
that was a little different because he, you know,

00:31:05.789 --> 00:31:09.109
basically he had a budget from Cleopatra, you

00:31:09.109 --> 00:31:11.329
know, and he was able to hire people to help

00:31:11.329 --> 00:31:13.009
him with these things. Whereas with me and Tanner,

00:31:13.109 --> 00:31:15.589
this is just, we're doing everything. But in

00:31:15.589 --> 00:31:18.309
terms of like, it really started was, you know,

00:31:18.329 --> 00:31:22.210
I did a tribute film to Bob where I had like,

00:31:22.289 --> 00:31:24.309
you know, Brian Slagle and a bunch of these guys

00:31:24.309 --> 00:31:26.440
giving a tribute. And so. That was sort of my

00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.299
test run to see if I can do a documentary. And

00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:32.640
once I did that, I said to myself, yeah, this

00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.880
could totally happen. Like it's definitely feasible

00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.440
and attainable to do a documentary. Because at

00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.140
first, you know, it's like I'm watching Bob with

00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:42.140
all these people he's hiring. And I'm like, man,

00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.019
how does he make all this work? You know, so

00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:46.740
for us to do it ourselves was definitely more

00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:49.819
of an undertaking to do. But doing that tribute

00:31:49.819 --> 00:31:53.019
we did to him and then just also being around

00:31:53.019 --> 00:31:55.619
him, picking his brain. you know, just being

00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:58.619
a friend of his and just, you know, yeah, I mean,

00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:00.420
obviously he's a big influence. I mean, I think

00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:03.240
our film is a lot different than Bob's films,

00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:05.380
you know, which were more historical, obviously,

00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:09.480
and documented, you know, really document documentaries

00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.819
in terms of really documenting like the history

00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:14.740
of, of the scenes and so forth in LA where ours

00:32:14.740 --> 00:32:17.019
is a little different, but in terms of just getting

00:32:17.019 --> 00:32:19.559
the confidence and, and knowing and having just

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:25.150
a, a good base and, and, you know, I guess. Yeah.

00:32:25.390 --> 00:32:29.450
Yeah. Foundation is the word Bob was, was definitely

00:32:29.450 --> 00:32:34.630
influential big time for that. Yeah. Okay. I

00:32:34.630 --> 00:32:37.789
just saw that you guys are going to be releasing

00:32:37.789 --> 00:32:42.289
50 physical copies. Yes. Of the documents. Oh,

00:32:42.349 --> 00:32:45.210
wow. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's there.

00:32:45.269 --> 00:32:47.670
It's these are promo. Yeah. These are the promo

00:32:47.670 --> 00:32:50.130
DVDs that we had to send out to distributors

00:32:50.130 --> 00:32:54.130
and so forth. We had a lot of, uh, interest,

00:32:54.329 --> 00:32:56.609
you know, it's, it's, the film's going to be

00:32:56.609 --> 00:32:59.410
on filmsy .com right now. I mean, we've got it

00:32:59.410 --> 00:33:00.750
out there. It's going to, we're hoping obviously

00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:02.730
it's, it should be on Amazon within the year

00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:06.670
as well on prime video. Um, but obviously we,

00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:10.589
we kind of, we, we did a sort of preview presale

00:33:10.589 --> 00:33:13.750
thing on a specific site for about a week for

00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:15.430
people. If they wanted to check it out, we did

00:33:15.430 --> 00:33:17.210
that back in may. And obviously, so we've got

00:33:17.210 --> 00:33:18.829
a little bit of buzz and people were like, when's

00:33:18.829 --> 00:33:21.240
it coming out? Obviously, all the guys in the

00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.779
film were getting questions. So they're like,

00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.400
hey, you know, everybody wants to see this thing.

00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.579
So we thought, I mean, unfortunately, when it's

00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:32.640
on these streaming sites, there is no release

00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:36.079
date. It's just they license it. And when it's

00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:37.539
up, it's up. So right now we know it's going

00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:39.259
to be on filmsy .com. We're just waiting any

00:33:39.259 --> 00:33:41.759
day for it to be up. So we just decided for the

00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:43.700
people who really are just chomping at the bit,

00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:45.799
really don't want to wait. And for the collectors,

00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:47.900
too, obviously, who like to collect and everything.

00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.619
We just decided to some of these we had about,

00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:52.319
you know, I forget how many exact, but we had

00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.599
a bunch of these promo DVDs that we were sending

00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.099
out to distributors. So we say, you know what,

00:33:56.099 --> 00:33:58.500
let's, we'll set a bunch of side. We'll set 50

00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:01.680
aside and they're going pretty fast though. We're

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.299
surprised at how fast they're going right now.

00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:06.960
Yeah. We're almost sold out of them. So it's,

00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.480
it's going pretty fast and you know, which is

00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.920
great. We're great to see the interest in it.

00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:12.239
So we decided, yeah, let's just take some of

00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:13.699
these promo ones. We'll put them up for like

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:16.239
15 bucks for sale. So, yeah, so people can get

00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:17.840
them on Bandcamp right now if they're looking

00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.019
for it, windpalmproductionsbandcamp .com. Okay.

00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.880
That's cool. How important was it for you guys?

00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:30.159
I mean, outside of, you know, being able to provide

00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.880
distributors with the physical copy, how important

00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.300
was it for you guys to have some physical copy

00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.940
available to people? Because as you mentioned,

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.219
you know, people our age, people that are into

00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:43.880
hard rock and metal. They're still all about

00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:48.940
the vinyl, all about CDs and whatnot. So again,

00:34:49.099 --> 00:34:51.159
as you mentioned, there's collectors out there

00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.679
that are looking for this type of stuff still.

00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:57.980
Well, as a fellow physical media whore myself,

00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:04.000
I am always after like having preserving kind

00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.940
of our catalog. So I would, I wanted this just

00:35:07.940 --> 00:35:10.840
to like be a part of my. portfolio kind of thing

00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.820
so for me it's hugely important just to have

00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:16.440
because you know for me it doesn't really exist

00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.300
unless it's like you can physically hold it in

00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:22.119
your hand so um streaming is all well and good

00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.599
i mean no majority of people prefer that because

00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.019
they you know that we tend to have a lot of minimalists

00:35:27.019 --> 00:35:29.420
now because we buy so much stuff but for me it's

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:32.139
hugely important just as a fellow physical media

00:35:32.139 --> 00:35:35.139
guy Just saying, hey, you know, we did stuff

00:35:35.139 --> 00:35:38.559
and here it is. So I can't answer for Matt. But

00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.099
for me, it was hugely important. Yeah, I agree

00:35:42.099 --> 00:35:43.519
with Tanner. You know, I mean, obviously, I'm

00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.900
a collector myself with vinyl and I got DVDs

00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:48.579
and everything. But in terms of just just the

00:35:48.579 --> 00:35:51.440
options, you know, I mean, like you said, I mean,

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.320
these guys are middle aged musicians. Most people

00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.280
who are going to be interested in this music

00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.840
are going to be in that age group, you know,

00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:02.030
and a lot of them still. collect and prefer to,

00:36:02.050 --> 00:36:03.869
you know, have that physical, you know, media

00:36:03.869 --> 00:36:06.309
copies and play DVD. And they don't want, they're

00:36:06.309 --> 00:36:08.070
not into the streaming going on their phone and

00:36:08.070 --> 00:36:11.190
connected to their TV, you know? So obviously

00:36:11.190 --> 00:36:13.730
since we've got our, you know, our target market

00:36:13.730 --> 00:36:15.349
here, if you want to call it, you know, since

00:36:15.349 --> 00:36:17.929
it's in that age group and that's the buying

00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:19.449
behavior and those inside of the, you know, the

00:36:19.449 --> 00:36:21.429
viewing behaviors and listening behaviors of

00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:23.889
those people, we definitely, it was super important

00:36:23.889 --> 00:36:25.750
that, yeah, we definitely have physical copies

00:36:25.750 --> 00:36:27.230
and, you know, what we're trying, we're going

00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:29.429
to see how, obviously this is sold so far really

00:36:29.429 --> 00:36:32.150
well. And what we might do, this is sort of like

00:36:32.150 --> 00:36:33.829
a collector's item. I mean, we could press up

00:36:33.829 --> 00:36:35.789
more of these, but we want to just make it a

00:36:35.789 --> 00:36:38.550
limited edition thing. And then we're looking

00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:43.409
into probably sometime over the next year is

00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:46.630
doing, you know, more of an extended version

00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:48.849
of it and having it like, you know, really done

00:36:48.849 --> 00:36:51.190
professionally in terms of getting a booklet

00:36:51.190 --> 00:36:55.010
made. uh insert and and having you know um a

00:36:55.010 --> 00:36:57.110
lot of bonus footage and so forth we got a ton

00:36:57.110 --> 00:36:59.010
of stuff that we can include on it so we're going

00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:01.190
to do sort of like a collector's you know sort

00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:04.670
of special edition um you know once the film's

00:37:04.670 --> 00:37:06.369
out there it's streamed for a while and then

00:37:06.369 --> 00:37:08.250
maybe sometime around next year next summer so

00:37:08.250 --> 00:37:11.289
we might look into we're seriously looking into

00:37:11.289 --> 00:37:14.489
making like a real uh extended version of the

00:37:14.489 --> 00:37:16.670
physical copy itself so i mean and obviously

00:37:16.670 --> 00:37:19.090
this is like i said i'm sold out so it shows

00:37:19.090 --> 00:37:21.289
that yes there's and we've only we haven't even

00:37:21.289 --> 00:37:23.070
really gotten a publicist yet for that factor.

00:37:23.090 --> 00:37:25.369
This is just through social media. You know what

00:37:25.369 --> 00:37:27.269
I mean? So we're going to do, we're going to

00:37:27.269 --> 00:37:28.769
do the publicist and everything once it's on

00:37:28.769 --> 00:37:30.670
streaming. So I think once we get all out there,

00:37:30.710 --> 00:37:32.789
we can get a good idea of how many people are

00:37:32.789 --> 00:37:35.349
really interested in, in buying a physical copy

00:37:35.349 --> 00:37:38.409
and, you know, maybe like a, like I said, a digit

00:37:38.409 --> 00:37:40.949
pack sort of, you know, DVD type of thing. If

00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:42.550
people are still interested, which, you know,

00:37:42.550 --> 00:37:44.409
I mean here all the time, right. People, musicians

00:37:44.409 --> 00:37:46.769
are telling us all the time, people still buy

00:37:46.769 --> 00:37:50.369
CDs even. There is still a market out there for

00:37:50.369 --> 00:37:52.849
people who want this. So yeah, it's very important

00:37:52.849 --> 00:37:54.750
that we have the physical copy. And we didn't

00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:57.789
even know how it was going to translate. I mean,

00:37:57.849 --> 00:38:00.090
we could have just sat on the 50 copies. We didn't

00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:01.710
even know how much interest there would have

00:38:01.710 --> 00:38:05.309
been for this physical media. I mean, even like

00:38:05.309 --> 00:38:08.150
digitally wise, when Matt released the second

00:38:08.150 --> 00:38:11.050
trailer, that caused a huge kind of buzz within

00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:15.110
the community as well. And it's always been these

00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:17.050
little increments, right? And then we did the

00:38:17.050 --> 00:38:21.170
pre -sale digital streaming thing. And then that

00:38:21.170 --> 00:38:23.710
went really well. And then now here we are doing

00:38:23.710 --> 00:38:26.610
the promos of the DVDs. And then that's doing

00:38:26.610 --> 00:38:30.190
really well. So yeah, I think Matt and I were

00:38:30.190 --> 00:38:34.289
open to mass distributing this if people want

00:38:34.289 --> 00:38:36.989
to have it. And it seems like we're keeping the

00:38:36.989 --> 00:38:40.210
momentum going in terms of the... the hype of,

00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.750
of that this film exists and we want people to

00:38:42.750 --> 00:38:46.070
check it out. It's funny the way that you guys

00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:49.989
are describing it. It reminds me of, um, way

00:38:49.989 --> 00:38:52.010
back when I was in college radio that you would

00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:55.710
get these white label cassettes or CDs that didn't

00:38:55.710 --> 00:38:59.409
have the actual album booklet or, or whatever

00:38:59.409 --> 00:39:03.210
with them. It was just, you know, something that

00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:05.250
looked like it was typed up on a typewriter.

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:08.519
And you're like, oh, wow, I've got this copy

00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.000
before anyone else and no one can get it and

00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.960
whatnot. So just the way you guys are describing

00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.360
that, it's bringing that vibe back. Yeah, it

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.059
was pretty similar, right, to those, yeah, promo

00:39:19.059 --> 00:39:21.280
DVDs, I mean, CDs you'd get from the labels,

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:23.139
you know, just to get on radio, exactly, college

00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:25.820
radio and everything. This is just a DVD, you

00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:27.780
know, version of it, but it's pretty, exactly,

00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.400
that's what it is. It's more of a collector's

00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.699
item. Like you said, first pressing, you know,

00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:35.539
so for people who do, enjoy collecting and if

00:39:35.539 --> 00:39:37.619
this thing does you know really do well and and

00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:40.679
um you know it's for those people that say hey

00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.599
i got one of the first pressings only 50 of you

00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.460
so again yeah just you know we all still geek

00:39:45.460 --> 00:39:47.159
out over that stuff so there's still plenty of

00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.880
people love that yeah exactly yeah yeah the other

00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.579
thing that kept coming to me when as i'm watching

00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:57.199
the movie because i know a lot of the bands by

00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.420
name um obviously i'm not i mean obviously i

00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:05.039
know fu manchu i know all of um eric stuff i

00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:09.280
know nebula i know a lot of these uh bands because

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:11.519
i have friends that used to run labels and stuff

00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:14.940
like that but there are some bands that i'm not

00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:17.940
familiar with their work even though i i know

00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:22.480
their name so as the movie is going on i'm thinking

00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.619
we need a soundtrack for this you know um and

00:40:27.619 --> 00:40:29.860
then you start and i'm thinking i'm like well

00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:32.519
licensing is gonna suck for something like that

00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.170
you know just just to get everyone's music on

00:40:36.170 --> 00:40:41.130
a vinyl, on a CD, whatever. Were there any thoughts

00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:44.530
to put a playlist on a band camp or even on a

00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:48.710
Spotify or something like that to help? We just,

00:40:48.789 --> 00:40:50.610
there's just one that went up today on Spotify.

00:40:50.929 --> 00:40:54.030
That's funny you say that. Yep. And we did, and

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:57.110
we did talk about, you know, wanting to possibly

00:40:57.110 --> 00:40:59.110
do a soundtrack, you know, because the good thing

00:40:59.110 --> 00:41:01.309
is, is we did most of the songs you hear in.

00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:06.380
on there almost all of them really are um the

00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:08.840
masters are owned by the artists themselves okay

00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.820
you know obviously yeah of course i would have

00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.860
loved to have gotten some old food man shoe songs

00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:14.860
on there that ruben was on you know from the

00:41:14.860 --> 00:41:19.079
early albums or even nebulas or uh some of eric's

00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.480
you know with gypsy hawk that was on metal blade

00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.940
and so forth obviously yeah that'll be a a bitch

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.260
to license pay in the s so most of the songs

00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:29.800
you're hearing though are either You know, like

00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.079
I said, Trevor owns all his stuff. So he's, you

00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:33.619
know, most of his stuff, except for the early

00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:35.159
Beastmaker stuff. But other than that, he owns

00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.039
all the Haunt stuff. You know, all the Freak

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.579
stuff, Ruben owns. The one Nebula song we did

00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:44.639
use, he's in the credits. So, you know, we can

00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.159
use it. So, yeah, that was the one area we had

00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.019
to be really particular. And Tanya really did

00:41:50.019 --> 00:41:51.760
a great job with that. You know, he was, you

00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.940
know, mostly did all that with terms of making

00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:57.699
sure. that these guys, you know, we, we got the

00:41:57.699 --> 00:41:59.400
sign off that we weren't going to get, you know,

00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.280
hit with any exactly, you know, any labels coming

00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.119
at us going, you're using our stuff, you know

00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.739
what I mean? So if we did do a soundtrack, I

00:42:06.739 --> 00:42:09.400
don't really, you know, it might not be that

00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.300
difficult, but it's also like, we had about 40

00:42:11.300 --> 00:42:14.280
songs on, you know, that were in the film. So

00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.780
it's like, you know, how many, how many are we

00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:18.260
going to choose to put on? And, and again, it's

00:42:18.260 --> 00:42:20.039
like, you know, the Spotify playlist. Yeah. I

00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.000
mean, we put that on today just so people could

00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.710
hear the full tracks. And if it's something that

00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:27.809
people, you know, do, if this thing takes off

00:42:27.809 --> 00:42:30.130
and people do want something like that, you know,

00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:32.050
it's something that we could go to one of these,

00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:36.949
you know, labels that these guys are on and maybe

00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:38.730
just say, hey, you know, I was thinking of, you

00:42:38.730 --> 00:42:41.670
know, doing this, but I'm not so sure how much

00:42:41.670 --> 00:42:44.190
of a, you know, that'd be something I guess a

00:42:44.190 --> 00:42:46.429
label would have to show interest to as well,

00:42:46.610 --> 00:42:47.809
you know what I mean? Because, yeah, for us to

00:42:47.809 --> 00:42:51.550
print up a bunch of... It's yeah. As you know,

00:42:51.550 --> 00:42:53.389
it ain't cheap, you know, and these days it's

00:42:53.389 --> 00:42:56.590
really, uh, just the whole manufacturing thing

00:42:56.590 --> 00:42:58.329
since COVID has been, you know, even though it's

00:42:58.329 --> 00:43:00.750
better now, it's still a little off, you know,

00:43:00.750 --> 00:43:03.050
than what it used to be. So it's a, it's a big

00:43:03.050 --> 00:43:04.449
undertaking and you know what I mean? But yeah,

00:43:04.469 --> 00:43:06.889
we did though, just put the Spotify place so

00:43:06.889 --> 00:43:08.969
everyone can go and put it lifers, the movie

00:43:08.969 --> 00:43:12.469
playlist, uh, on Spotify and you can go see that

00:43:12.469 --> 00:43:15.750
it's up now. Yeah. And if we were to do a, a

00:43:15.750 --> 00:43:20.639
soundtrack for it, um, We, it would be like a

00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.300
box set almost at this point because there's

00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:27.039
like 40 to 50 songs on it. So we may have to

00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.860
do like a top 12 of like the movie, like the

00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:34.219
most important picks of it. If we were to do

00:43:34.219 --> 00:43:37.559
a single like kind of compilation soundtrack

00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:41.260
to it, I don't know about like the full movie

00:43:41.260 --> 00:43:44.320
in terms of all the songs. That would be like

00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.989
a financial headache. Yeah, right now. Right.

00:43:48.590 --> 00:43:51.409
Yeah. I mean, I've run a label before. Taz put

00:43:51.409 --> 00:43:54.449
out his own stuff. So we understand what goes

00:43:54.449 --> 00:43:57.610
into all that. And it's like, it's hard enough

00:43:57.610 --> 00:44:00.110
as it is what goes on to doing the film, you

00:44:00.110 --> 00:44:01.829
know, let alone now we're going to the music

00:44:01.829 --> 00:44:05.050
part of it. And yeah, that's a whole other beast.

00:44:05.090 --> 00:44:07.110
That's why if we did do it, we would definitely

00:44:07.110 --> 00:44:09.369
probably want to have some backing and some help,

00:44:09.409 --> 00:44:11.329
at least assistance from a label or something,

00:44:11.469 --> 00:44:13.489
or one of the guys that are in the film or something,

00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:15.440
because it is a huge undertaking. Yeah. doing

00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.559
that. Yeah. And the last thing you want is 900

00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.260
CDs in your closet. That too. I already got that

00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:25.000
going on right now. Tanner's already got that

00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.940
with his stuff. So, you know, we already got

00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:28.719
that with, yeah, so exactly. That's the other

00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.420
thing is space and just, yeah. The last thing

00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:33.099
I need is more CDs sitting there for 10 years.

00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:35.940
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Cause how would we sell

00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:38.280
them? I mean, besides like the internet or whatever,

00:44:38.420 --> 00:44:40.559
I would think that the bands would have better

00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.710
luck selling these than kind of we would. And

00:44:43.710 --> 00:44:45.750
it would actually help get them more releases,

00:44:45.789 --> 00:44:49.869
which would be a cool thing too. So yeah, that,

00:44:49.949 --> 00:44:52.989
but it was discussed between Matt and I, like

00:44:52.989 --> 00:44:55.510
it would be really cool to do a soundtrack to

00:44:55.510 --> 00:44:58.670
this, but logistically wise, I don't know how

00:44:58.670 --> 00:45:01.750
that's possible at this particular moment. Now,

00:45:01.789 --> 00:45:04.769
if it blows up to where, you know, it takes over

00:45:04.769 --> 00:45:08.989
the world, maybe we can, you know, then that's

00:45:08.989 --> 00:45:11.630
a different story. But for now, I think just

00:45:11.630 --> 00:45:14.329
having like, a physical pressing of it. It's

00:45:14.329 --> 00:45:16.349
going to be on streaming for people it's out

00:45:16.349 --> 00:45:19.190
there. So I think that's really the, the main

00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:22.449
priority for us at this particular juncture in

00:45:22.449 --> 00:45:26.909
the process here. Okay. So what we're doing right

00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:29.190
now is the closest thing that I've ever gotten

00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:33.369
to interviewing or shooting an interview with,

00:45:33.369 --> 00:45:39.099
with someone. I've actually been kicking an idea

00:45:39.099 --> 00:45:42.599
around, and this happened last year as I was

00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.019
in the States getting tattooed and speaking to

00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:49.739
the tattoo artist about the combination or the

00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:53.860
crossover between music and the tattoo world.

00:45:55.099 --> 00:46:00.500
And I told the tattoo artist, I said, you know,

00:46:00.500 --> 00:46:05.420
if I were to corral enough people together. to

00:46:05.420 --> 00:46:07.900
shoot interviews with tattoo artists and talk

00:46:07.900 --> 00:46:10.679
about crossover with music. Would you be interested?

00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:13.360
And he said, yeah, of course. And I know people

00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.219
that I could help you get in touch with so on

00:46:15.219 --> 00:46:20.139
and so forth. So as being a giant ignoramus,

00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.739
when it comes to shooting stuff, like, like what

00:46:24.739 --> 00:46:27.559
you guys have done, if someone wants to start

00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.559
and do a quality documentary, like you guys have

00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.239
done. What are the basic things that they should

00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.280
look for? What's the basic gear they need? Because

00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.440
I'm assuming that having a cell phone and a ring

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.139
light is not the way to go if you want it to

00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:47.820
be professional. I'll take this, Matt, if you

00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:50.860
don't mind. So basically, this was kind of where

00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:54.019
I fit in with this whole juncture. Honestly,

00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.019
should I spoil what we used on it? Is that cool?

00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.739
Maybe I'll do that right now. So basically we

00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:06.920
used a like $600 Canon camera and we just wanted,

00:47:06.980 --> 00:47:10.739
we literally used like a $20 lob mic on most

00:47:10.739 --> 00:47:15.699
of these guys. So we were actually, our model

00:47:15.699 --> 00:47:19.199
really is keep it simple, stupid. So we got a

00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:23.019
tripod, we got one, it's a one camera shot. It's

00:47:23.019 --> 00:47:26.019
basically just learning the basics of. Even just

00:47:26.019 --> 00:47:28.619
putting together an interview. So you could actually

00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:31.400
do it with a cell phone and a ring light because

00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.519
they do have the technology where you can plug

00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:36.719
in mics into the phone and have good audio that

00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:42.260
way. Now, with documentaries in general, there's

00:47:42.260 --> 00:47:44.119
all different kinds, all different qualities.

00:47:44.619 --> 00:47:48.519
You know, Matt and I are big fans of films, especially

00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.239
documentaries. And, you know, a lot of them are

00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:56.159
shot on cell phones sometimes. Now, I just think

00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.019
having good equipment would be your best bet,

00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:02.000
not having to break the bank to do this. I mean,

00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.880
you can probably do it under $1 ,000, I would

00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.039
say. Would you agree? Yeah, I mean, just, yeah,

00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.619
for starters, you could, like you said, you just

00:48:11.619 --> 00:48:13.099
kind of went through the main things you need.

00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.579
Obviously, there's lighting, but that's not too

00:48:15.579 --> 00:48:18.059
expensive either. And you don't even need that

00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:22.190
in all situations either. I, you know, the, the,

00:48:22.190 --> 00:48:25.289
the, probably the biggest challenge is really

00:48:25.289 --> 00:48:28.070
just the logistics, the traveling, you know,

00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:31.690
um, the, the, you know, time. And, and I would

00:48:31.690 --> 00:48:33.349
say the biggest challenge is really just getting

00:48:33.349 --> 00:48:34.829
the right people. Like I would, like, if you're

00:48:34.829 --> 00:48:37.210
going to do tattoo, I mean, there was, it's,

00:48:37.210 --> 00:48:38.809
it's kind of a good idea. You have, you know,

00:48:38.809 --> 00:48:40.329
with the tattoo and music, I don't know if you

00:48:40.329 --> 00:48:42.130
remember back in like 2000 was the whole, the

00:48:42.130 --> 00:48:45.130
tattoo of the earth thing. Right. Remember that?

00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.059
So that guy, his name, Scott, I forget his last

00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:49.539
name, but I actually interviewed him a few years

00:48:49.539 --> 00:48:52.440
ago because he put out a book on that. And so

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.960
just, he told me that working with tattoo artists,

00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.159
that was very, very interesting. I'll just leave

00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.539
it at that, man. So just to give you a heads

00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:02.360
up, but no, Tana's right. Yeah, I'd say around

00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.119
a thousand, but it's really the traveling. It's

00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.840
the time, you know, getting them to, you know,

00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:08.380
getting everyone who's going to be a part of

00:49:08.380 --> 00:49:11.639
it to, you know, give you the time and to be

00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.760
patient. You know, one of the things we ran into,

00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:16.699
I would say a little bit, was I think, you know,

00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:19.820
because we've got the vision, right? They don't

00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:21.659
know what your vision is, right? Until it's out

00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:25.059
on the film. And sometimes, you know, and Tan

00:49:25.059 --> 00:49:29.119
is really good. I think about if we got a vision,

00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.059
he's going to get in there and get it, going

00:49:31.059 --> 00:49:33.860
to get that footage. And you got to be aggressive

00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:35.639
doing that. You know, it's one thing I've learned

00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.920
too, doing this with him is like, you got to

00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:40.239
be, if you see something you want, you got to

00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.539
just say, Hey, we're going to get this. I think

00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:45.539
a couple of the guys maybe were a little put

00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:48.400
off by that or a little like this is annoying,

00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.500
you know, kind of thing where we're there and

00:49:51.500 --> 00:49:52.980
maybe they're trying to, you know, set something

00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.599
up or do something. And there we are filming

00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.780
it. It's like I got this camera in my face or

00:49:56.780 --> 00:49:58.860
right next to me. And if they're stressing or,

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.579
you know, they're focused on something else and

00:50:00.579 --> 00:50:02.900
here's this camera, it could be, I guess, a little

00:50:02.900 --> 00:50:06.039
frustrating for them. And we could see through

00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.840
body language and certain things that were kind

00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:11.070
of annoyed. Right. I think it's, you know, I

00:50:11.070 --> 00:50:12.969
think, you know, getting, yeah, it's not even

00:50:12.969 --> 00:50:14.510
really the equipment. Like you said, the technology

00:50:14.510 --> 00:50:16.530
now is so cheap to do some ideas. I mean, we've,

00:50:16.530 --> 00:50:19.130
since we've done this film, we've obviously for

00:50:19.130 --> 00:50:21.889
our next one, we've got a new, you know, editing

00:50:21.889 --> 00:50:24.750
program. We've got another camera, like a couple

00:50:24.750 --> 00:50:27.250
of thousand dollar camera now that we're using

00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:29.929
on top of the other one. We've got a bunch, we

00:50:29.929 --> 00:50:32.130
got now a bunch of different wireless microphones.

00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:35.070
We did now invest heavily into our second film

00:50:35.070 --> 00:50:38.050
that we're going to be doing. But. Yeah, I wouldn't

00:50:38.050 --> 00:50:39.710
even say it's the equipment. And that's the funny

00:50:39.710 --> 00:50:41.230
thing is that's why I think a lot of them just

00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:42.610
saw us with this equipment going, what are these

00:50:42.610 --> 00:50:44.789
guys doing? And when they saw the trailer, they

00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:46.409
were like, oh, whoa, this looks pretty professional.

00:50:46.550 --> 00:50:47.909
That's like, yeah, you don't, you know, you don't

00:50:47.909 --> 00:50:50.989
need a whole, you know, set of people. I mean,

00:50:51.050 --> 00:50:54.510
back in, you know, the mid to early 2000s, if

00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:55.809
you're going to put together a documentary, right,

00:50:55.849 --> 00:50:58.230
you needed a whole, you know, crew of people.

00:50:58.570 --> 00:51:00.489
You know, you just need one or two people now

00:51:00.489 --> 00:51:02.150
to really get it all done because the technology

00:51:02.150 --> 00:51:04.409
is so good. I think that really the challenge

00:51:04.409 --> 00:51:07.760
is really. The logistics with the traveling,

00:51:08.019 --> 00:51:11.000
getting people to, you know, sit down for the

00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.559
interview and do a couple of interviews with

00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.920
you or show up. You know, Tanner was great about

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.579
with the freaks. He would go to their rehearsal.

00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.199
He went, saw them live a few times and shot them.

00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.099
So it's really that's the I think the biggest

00:51:24.099 --> 00:51:27.239
challenge is getting enough material while. these

00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.300
guys aren't pissed off and frustrated with you

00:51:29.300 --> 00:51:30.659
being around where they want nothing to do with

00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:32.659
you after that. So, you know, that I would say

00:51:32.659 --> 00:51:34.800
is the challenge, right? I mean, what would you

00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.780
say to that, Tanner? Well, that and, you know,

00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:40.880
editing wise, I mean, we used, I think iMovie

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.079
on this. It's a free program that comes with

00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.260
like a Mac. So if you have a MacBook, obviously

00:51:45.260 --> 00:51:47.300
you could, you could do something like this,

00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:50.340
but yeah, I agree with Matt in terms of, you

00:51:50.340 --> 00:51:52.599
know, you can't build a sandcastle if you don't

00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.719
have the sand to do it. So like, We needed to

00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.420
go out there and get that sand so we can build

00:51:58.420 --> 00:52:02.760
the coolest castle in all of the land. So I think,

00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.719
and I think it's also just starting with the

00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.900
basics, like being able just to take it one step

00:52:07.900 --> 00:52:10.480
at a time. Because a lot of, this is very intimidating,

00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:13.340
maybe to some people, but to us, it's just really

00:52:13.340 --> 00:52:16.059
fun because we took it one step at a time. You

00:52:16.059 --> 00:52:18.079
know, yeah, we stumbled and we got back on the

00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:19.760
horse. We stumbled, we got back on the horse.

00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:22.659
So I think it's also the determination to like

00:52:22.659 --> 00:52:26.639
never just. quit kind of thing like process because

00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.320
a lot matt mentioned it earlier in this in this

00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.920
interview where it's like how many times you

00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:32.820
see a trailer and then the film never comes out

00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:34.840
right i mean matt and i have had like hour -long

00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.039
conversations of all the coolest films that we

00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.179
saw trailers for that don't even exist right

00:52:40.179 --> 00:52:43.699
so i think it's just not being able to not be

00:52:43.699 --> 00:52:46.860
intimidated through the doing the process learning

00:52:46.860 --> 00:52:50.489
as you go not being afraid to ask questions Just

00:52:50.489 --> 00:52:52.650
really not being afraid to put yourself out there

00:52:52.650 --> 00:52:54.389
and just see what happens. And I think that's

00:52:54.389 --> 00:52:59.849
what kind of tends to hinder a lot of cool movies

00:52:59.849 --> 00:53:02.289
from being even filmed. It's just like the whole

00:53:02.289 --> 00:53:05.730
headache of having the logistics and just going

00:53:05.730 --> 00:53:08.869
through the process. Yeah. And one last thing

00:53:08.869 --> 00:53:11.929
is also the time you get it out. And so we started

00:53:11.929 --> 00:53:15.530
filming this. We started in November of 2023.

00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.400
And so my goal was because there's been times

00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.159
I remember back, you know, when I was living

00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.639
in New York, there was in the late 90s, there

00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.519
was this New York hardcore documentary that came

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.320
out. And I remember I was so excited for it because

00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.360
I was at one of the shows that was being filmed.

00:53:29.900 --> 00:53:31.599
And the thing didn't come out for four years.

00:53:31.619 --> 00:53:33.099
And by the time I think because there was so

00:53:33.099 --> 00:53:35.739
much stuff that Hoops had to jump through, this

00:53:35.739 --> 00:53:37.679
was obviously the 90s. So it was a lot more difficult

00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.940
to put out a documentary then. But it took four

00:53:39.940 --> 00:53:42.000
years. And by the time that thing came out, some

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.619
of those bands were already done, broken up.

00:53:44.049 --> 00:53:47.030
Right. You know, and so much had changed. It

00:53:47.030 --> 00:53:49.170
wasn't really representing what was really going

00:53:49.170 --> 00:53:52.150
on at the time. It was old. And so that was the

00:53:52.150 --> 00:53:54.510
thing we had was the goal was to get it out.

00:53:54.929 --> 00:53:56.369
Originally, it was to get out anywhere between

00:53:56.369 --> 00:53:59.889
15 to 18 months. And we did do that. I didn't

00:53:59.889 --> 00:54:01.809
want it being more. We started, like I said,

00:54:01.849 --> 00:54:05.929
filming in November 2023. So the goal was really

00:54:05.929 --> 00:54:07.730
to get it out around either February or March.

00:54:07.750 --> 00:54:09.469
And then it came out in April. But it still fit

00:54:09.469 --> 00:54:12.250
within that year and a half. Right. You just

00:54:12.250 --> 00:54:13.750
don't want it to be too long. Cause as we saw

00:54:13.750 --> 00:54:15.550
Kip want to, you know, leave. And so all these

00:54:15.550 --> 00:54:17.929
things could change in that time, but she has

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:20.130
her older. So that was the thing too, is you,

00:54:20.130 --> 00:54:22.750
you definitely want to buy our goal in this film

00:54:22.750 --> 00:54:25.369
was we didn't want to wait two years. We wanted

00:54:25.369 --> 00:54:26.769
to get it out in a year and a half. That was

00:54:26.769 --> 00:54:29.050
the goal. And we did that. And, you know, cause

00:54:29.050 --> 00:54:32.409
you like Tanner, Tanner has a good thing. He

00:54:32.409 --> 00:54:35.969
says, you know, with art is, you know, you never,

00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:38.070
you know, it never gets done. It gets abandoned.

00:54:38.469 --> 00:54:40.679
Never gets finished. So you have to just know

00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:42.300
when you go, okay, you know what? We're good.

00:54:42.380 --> 00:54:44.039
Cause we could have sat there for another six

00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.159
months and tried to get more footage, tried to

00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:49.300
edit out, maybe cut it short and do all that.

00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:51.920
I think you just got to know when you have enough

00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.860
and you go, okay, this is, this is good. Let's

00:54:53.860 --> 00:54:56.079
just put it out now. And let's not sit on this

00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.099
thing for two plus years. And then, you know,

00:54:58.099 --> 00:55:00.619
no one cares about it anymore. No one, you know,

00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:02.559
everything changes. It's not representing really

00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:04.940
what's going on anymore. You know? Right. Yeah,

00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:06.860
especially when you're doing a contemporary film.

00:55:06.980 --> 00:55:09.440
We're not doing like a history lesson in terms

00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.280
of like talking about a specific era of music.

00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:15.659
We're doing it in the now, as Tesla says, so.

00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:22.280
Yeah, you don't want to Chinese democracy it

00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.739
where. Exactly, yeah. All those years later and

00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:28.719
it's, you know, it's just the initial wave there.

00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:34.210
Yeah, my gear question. through my frustrations

00:55:34.210 --> 00:55:38.409
as, as a podcaster, you know, I think I've started

00:55:38.409 --> 00:55:42.469
out small and, and, and built on things, but

00:55:42.469 --> 00:55:44.889
even with that, you know, I have the same mic

00:55:44.889 --> 00:55:51.250
that, um, that Matt has, uh, for example, you

00:55:51.250 --> 00:55:53.730
see shows that are rated higher, they're getting

00:55:53.730 --> 00:55:56.329
all this, you know, uh, listenership or whatnot.

00:55:56.809 --> 00:55:59.780
And you're thinking, man, These fuckers don't

00:55:59.780 --> 00:56:01.739
even level their damn audio between them and

00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:05.320
their guests and music that comes in. Is it really

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.679
worth my time to sit there and edit everything

00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.280
the way that I do? And it just comes to the point

00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.840
where it's like, fuck, people have come to expect

00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.340
a certain quality from me. I can't just half

00:56:17.340 --> 00:56:20.440
-ass it now just because someone else is getting

00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:24.780
more listens and they're doing whatever. So that's

00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:28.329
kind of... where, where I was trying to head

00:56:28.329 --> 00:56:30.389
with, with that question as well. You know, I,

00:56:30.469 --> 00:56:32.710
it's something that really interests me and it's,

00:56:32.710 --> 00:56:35.289
it's something that I really need to, to contemplate

00:56:35.289 --> 00:56:37.769
because I think it's, it's a cool idea, but at

00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:42.630
the same time, I don't just want to half -ass

00:56:42.630 --> 00:56:46.110
it, you know, I don't, and especially seeing

00:56:46.110 --> 00:56:51.070
what you guys have done. Um, it really helps

00:56:51.070 --> 00:56:56.710
set like a standard, you know, um, And it's cool

00:56:56.710 --> 00:56:58.949
to talk about all this stuff with you guys to

00:56:58.949 --> 00:57:02.650
see what went on behind this. And it isn't, yeah,

00:57:02.750 --> 00:57:06.349
you can't just shove a camera phone in somebody's

00:57:06.349 --> 00:57:08.710
face and expect them to go, hey, I'll open up

00:57:08.710 --> 00:57:11.309
for you and talk all about this stuff. You know,

00:57:11.349 --> 00:57:14.969
there's a process and there's, you know, rapport

00:57:14.969 --> 00:57:17.170
that you have to build with them and so that

00:57:17.170 --> 00:57:21.480
they open up and they do this stuff. it doesn't

00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.579
differ that much from what we do in podcasts

00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:27.360
but you need to know how to approach it it's

00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:30.739
its own kind of animal and and just know what

00:57:30.739 --> 00:57:33.800
you need to do without obviously pissing people

00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.380
off well yeah and you also can't make excuses

00:57:36.380 --> 00:57:39.519
for not following through i think that's the

00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.539
the what i was trying to even say from the get

00:57:42.539 --> 00:57:45.000
-go is like a lot of people should just use excuses

00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.630
like you're mentioning like not going over and

00:57:47.630 --> 00:57:50.090
just shoving a camera in people's faces and hoping

00:57:50.090 --> 00:57:53.510
for something. I, I kind of, I mean, obviously

00:57:53.510 --> 00:57:56.329
I'm not physically shoving it in people's faces

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:58.969
here, but you do have to go out there with a

00:57:58.969 --> 00:58:01.909
camera and just like, see what happens. The worst

00:58:01.909 --> 00:58:04.469
somebody is going to say is no. That's what Matt

00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:06.730
and I have found tremendously is like, yeah,

00:58:06.809 --> 00:58:08.809
the worst they could do is say no. And then we

00:58:08.809 --> 00:58:10.409
just keep moving forward. You just keep moving

00:58:10.409 --> 00:58:12.989
forward until you find those, those gems. And

00:58:12.989 --> 00:58:16.170
then, then a film pops out. I don't know. I just

00:58:16.170 --> 00:58:18.349
think they're not having, just don't let excuses

00:58:18.349 --> 00:58:21.170
hold you back. Yeah. And you know, you were saying

00:58:21.170 --> 00:58:23.789
about Bob before, you know, Victor, you know,

00:58:23.789 --> 00:58:25.670
one of the other thing that, that I did learn,

00:58:25.769 --> 00:58:27.550
you know, through this, and it's something that

00:58:27.550 --> 00:58:30.769
Bob, you know, now Bandy had done with his documentaries.

00:58:31.809 --> 00:58:34.829
Like you said, is, is that rapport, you know,

00:58:34.849 --> 00:58:37.170
obviously, you know, the good thing about, you

00:58:37.170 --> 00:58:40.590
know, both Tanner and I doing podcasts ourselves

00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:44.000
was we got to kind of vet. A lot of these, like

00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.079
I said, everybody we had in the film, we had

00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.800
interviewed before. Either one of us or both

00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:51.099
of us had interviewed. And the one thing I noticed

00:58:51.099 --> 00:58:55.380
is that, you know, if you notice Bob's films,

00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.239
he normally had, you know, and even his podcast,

00:58:58.300 --> 00:59:00.980
he kind of had his sort of, you know, I don't

00:59:00.980 --> 00:59:02.780
say his boys, but, you know, he had his network

00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:06.099
of people. And I used to sit there and sometimes

00:59:06.099 --> 00:59:07.920
think like, you know, he just kind of sticks

00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.639
in a lot of times to that. Why doesn't he branch

00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.260
out more? Well, now I understand it. You know,

00:59:12.260 --> 00:59:14.019
because when you're going to put time and money

00:59:14.019 --> 00:59:16.719
and resources and all this stuff into something

00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.599
like this and you're going to dedicate yourself

00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:21.260
to it, you definitely want to make sure the people

00:59:21.260 --> 00:59:22.820
that you're going to have in it are going to

00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:25.699
do the same. You know, and like we said, that

00:59:25.699 --> 00:59:26.840
was a good thing about it. For instance, like

00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.579
we said, Eric, because we had known him for years,

00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:31.480
you know, Tanner has played shows with him, with

00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:34.400
his band. You know, obviously I've hung out with

00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.139
them. We both hung out with them before we've

00:59:36.139 --> 00:59:37.840
interviewed him. You know, we've had extensive

00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.719
history with him in terms of that. Because of

00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:42.400
that, he already knew his trust list and it was

00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.099
so easy to get stuff. Like I said, he was giving

00:59:45.099 --> 00:59:46.760
us more than we would have been asking for because

00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:48.900
of that. And that's the thing that I learned,

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.519
you know, with Bob was he, yeah, he had his network

00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.920
of people that he had featured a lot in his stuff.

00:59:54.219 --> 00:59:56.260
And I understand why is because, yeah, if you're

00:59:56.260 --> 00:59:58.179
going to, you know, if you're going to dedicate

00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:01.000
this time, money and everything into it, the

01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.039
last thing you need is to, you know, have someone

01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:05.079
in it who's not going to really reciprocate that

01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.039
and respect that. You know, and we were lucky

01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.000
enough that for the most part, everybody did

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.900
do that. But I'll be honest with you, like with,

01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.099
you know, I had to kind of put out the first

01:00:15.099 --> 01:00:18.599
trailer a little, a lot earlier than I wanted

01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.559
to because I kind of had to light a fire under

01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.300
some of the guys because I think, yeah, because

01:00:23.300 --> 01:00:24.400
they didn't know what it was going to be and

01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:25.940
they just saw us come and do an interview and

01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:29.099
blah, blah, blah. I understood like, okay, I

01:00:29.099 --> 01:00:30.539
don't, I think they're hesitant to give us this

01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:31.599
stuff because they don't know what it's going

01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.159
to be. So let me put out a trailer to show them.

01:00:34.590 --> 01:00:36.949
look, this is the real deal. It's really professional.

01:00:37.530 --> 01:00:39.730
And once we did get that first trail out last

01:00:39.730 --> 01:00:42.309
summer, it did light a little fire in them to

01:00:42.309 --> 01:00:44.070
go, oh, okay, this looks cool. All right, just,

01:00:44.150 --> 01:00:46.329
yeah, let me get them this stuff, you know, quicker

01:00:46.329 --> 01:00:48.630
than they were, you know, kind of doing it. So

01:00:48.630 --> 01:00:52.030
that's the thing too, is really, if you don't

01:00:52.030 --> 01:00:55.170
already have that rapport, then you have to do

01:00:55.170 --> 01:00:57.329
something like that to maybe kind of give them

01:00:57.329 --> 01:00:59.929
a push, you know, or a nudge. So that's one thing

01:00:59.929 --> 01:01:01.389
I definitely learned and probably going forward

01:01:01.389 --> 01:01:05.059
is, you know, is really. you know, making sure

01:01:05.059 --> 01:01:07.699
that rapport and that you already have that commitment

01:01:07.699 --> 01:01:11.059
from these people, you know, beforehand so that

01:01:11.059 --> 01:01:13.019
you're not wasting your time going on, man, this

01:01:13.019 --> 01:01:14.599
person doesn't want to do this or give me this

01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.679
and is making it difficult. Cause that, that

01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:18.500
will be, that would be frustrating if you had

01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:20.440
to deal with that, you know? Yeah. Definitely

01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.000
establish the groundwork first before you even

01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.480
invest your time to want to complete this. So,

01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:32.590
yeah. There are two lifers that, didn't appear

01:01:32.590 --> 01:01:34.849
all that much in the film and and those are you

01:01:34.849 --> 01:01:38.949
guys because you guys have you know through music

01:01:38.949 --> 01:01:42.550
through being in the inner in the industry through

01:01:42.550 --> 01:01:46.230
different facets podcasting so on and so forth

01:01:46.230 --> 01:01:51.530
i'd consider you guys lifers as well um there

01:01:51.530 --> 01:01:54.030
are a few scenes where you guys appear there's

01:01:54.030 --> 01:01:58.820
a scene where where bob appears as well um Was

01:01:58.820 --> 01:02:01.440
that a conscious effort that you guys didn't

01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.619
want to be that, you know, talking box in front

01:02:05.619 --> 01:02:09.699
of everyone? Yeah. The film isn't about us. The

01:02:09.699 --> 01:02:13.119
film is about the, the, the, the five individuals

01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.579
in the film. And I think Matt did a great job

01:02:15.579 --> 01:02:18.039
because he, he edited the full thing. And for

01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:19.940
me, I thought he did a great job of just like

01:02:19.940 --> 01:02:23.679
the focus was on the musicians themselves. You

01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:28.099
know, our job was just to cap, to cap, to, what

01:02:28.099 --> 01:02:32.099
is it, to capture it. Yeah, like we didn't, obviously

01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:34.980
I'm a huge fan of the Sam Dunn movies, you know,

01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:38.360
his films. And I liked what he did, you know,

01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.199
having him in it and doing his journey, his adventure.

01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.559
I think that's really cool. But yeah, we definitely

01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:45.780
didn't want to, you know, have us, you know,

01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:49.519
or be a focus. I mean, even the times you see

01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.800
us in there, the only reason why we're in there

01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.960
is because someone said something that was like,

01:02:54.019 --> 01:02:56.440
okay, this fits in what we want to put in there.

01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.219
It wasn't like, oh, let's get our faces in there.

01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:00.699
You know what I mean? Not at all. I mean, it

01:03:00.699 --> 01:03:02.199
was up to me. I wouldn't have had myself in there

01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:05.000
once. You know what I mean? Right. But yeah,

01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.280
so yeah, I appreciate you saying that. I mean,

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.139
yeah, I do, I guess, consider ourselves lifers

01:03:09.139 --> 01:03:12.420
too. Yeah, I mean, we're, you know, we're not

01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:14.139
really getting much out of it. I mean, you know,

01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.179
instead of just for the love of the art itself

01:03:16.179 --> 01:03:18.539
and just, you know, the love of music and putting

01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:20.000
this out, obviously we're not going to, you know,

01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.400
we're not planning or expecting to make any money

01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.099
off this at all. We would love to just. break

01:03:24.099 --> 01:03:26.920
even, you know, on just the cost it took to travel

01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:28.539
and all the lodging and all that stuff would

01:03:28.539 --> 01:03:32.079
be great. But yeah, it's just, it's just, obviously

01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:33.719
we've been doing a podcast and everything. We're

01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:35.480
like, we just, you know, and Tanner said he had

01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:36.860
done a couple of films. It was like, well, let's,

01:03:36.860 --> 01:03:39.320
let's step it up. Let's take a step it up a notch

01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:42.380
and do something different. And like I said,

01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.280
even though, you know, and the next film we're

01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:46.480
doing is going to be even more challenging because

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.900
it's not going to be in California. It's going

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:50.440
to be in a different state. It's going to be,

01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:52.639
you know, where it's going to take more planning

01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.780
logistically and so forth. And like I said, we've

01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:57.219
had to invest our money into getting new equipment

01:03:57.219 --> 01:03:59.059
and everything so we can make it even better

01:03:59.059 --> 01:04:02.440
than we did with this one. So, but yeah, I mean,

01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:04.440
in terms of like putting us, you know, yeah,

01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:06.099
in the film, it wasn't a conscious decision.

01:04:06.340 --> 01:04:08.119
It was definitely conscious to not have us in

01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.840
there and let alone not that didn't get to put

01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:13.039
us in there at all. You know what I mean? And

01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:17.019
so, I think it was, yeah, it was, it was just,

01:04:17.059 --> 01:04:19.590
yeah. You know, with the Formula 400 practice,

01:04:19.750 --> 01:04:21.530
like that room was really cramped and there's

01:04:21.530 --> 01:04:24.369
like eight people in it. So we could not like

01:04:24.369 --> 01:04:27.710
film a rehearsal and then like have one of us

01:04:27.710 --> 01:04:29.809
not be in it just because of like where we had

01:04:29.809 --> 01:04:32.389
to position ourselves to film to get the footage.

01:04:32.510 --> 01:04:35.670
So, yeah, I think it was just happenstance. Yeah.

01:04:35.789 --> 01:04:40.489
Yeah. What's the timetable for the second film?

01:04:40.570 --> 01:04:45.090
When do you guys start working on that? So we've

01:04:45.090 --> 01:04:47.920
got to. It's going to be a little different.

01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.519
It's going to be, at least for a couple of them,

01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:53.380
it's going to be a little more. So, you know,

01:04:53.380 --> 01:04:55.119
this obviously the first life issue is really

01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.000
a bit, you know, really focused on five individuals,

01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.179
their history and what they're doing today. Right

01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:02.579
now, this is going to be kind of like that. But

01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:04.840
the people were focused on the next one. We've

01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.039
got two artists slash bands locked down that

01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:10.559
have already agreed to do it. And we're going

01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.760
to be discussing with them this summer more in

01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:14.360
terms of logistically and how we're going to

01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.880
approach it. it's going to be a little different

01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.420
where these are bands that are, um, it's not

01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:23.639
so much about their history as it is, as their,

01:05:23.659 --> 01:05:26.420
their bands that are trying to make a living

01:05:26.420 --> 01:05:29.260
in a way doing this now. Okay. Um, where they,

01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:30.579
you know, the last one, the only one that we

01:05:30.579 --> 01:05:33.159
had in this, uh, in the first lifers here is

01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.659
Trevor. He's the only one who's doing it full

01:05:35.659 --> 01:05:38.019
time, you know, and making a career out of it.

01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.840
This next one are for guys who are very active.

01:05:41.579 --> 01:05:44.119
Um, in this, you know, with, with putting out

01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:45.980
records, they're a little bit, a little bit younger,

01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.059
not super much, you know, younger, but some of

01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:50.059
the guys in it are a little bit younger, still

01:05:50.059 --> 01:05:52.420
middle age, but not maybe in the, you know, mid

01:05:52.420 --> 01:05:55.119
to late fifties and early sixties. Um, but they're

01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.420
actually active. They're touring more. They're,

01:05:57.420 --> 01:06:00.820
they're especially mostly in Europe. Um, and,

01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.539
um, yeah, it's, it's going to be different in

01:06:03.539 --> 01:06:06.760
that regard where it's more focused on the band

01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.300
and how they're trying and the challenges they're

01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:13.480
facing, trying to make it. as a full -time thing

01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:15.840
at least a couple of them we're doing with that

01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.780
and so uh the timeline really we're doing you

01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:20.239
know the writing it right now we're in pre -production

01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.360
we've got a couple like i said on board there's

01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.659
a couple others uh we only get to focus on four

01:06:24.659 --> 01:06:28.500
this time and not five and so we're in the pre

01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:30.199
-production the writing phase right now and the

01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.900
filming the the first filming with b -roll footage

01:06:32.900 --> 01:06:36.280
and so forth is going to start in september okay

01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.170
yeah so we're hoping to get That one we're hoping

01:06:39.170 --> 01:06:42.329
to get out probably by, I would say, the new

01:06:42.329 --> 01:06:46.309
year of 2027. You know, just a tentative off

01:06:46.309 --> 01:06:48.809
the top of my head right now. About two, you

01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:50.929
know, two, two and a half years from now, that

01:06:50.929 --> 01:06:53.110
one we're hoping to be out by then. But, you

01:06:53.110 --> 01:06:55.010
know, we're getting on it, though. We don't want

01:06:55.010 --> 01:06:56.469
it to be like, let's wait another two years and

01:06:56.469 --> 01:06:57.989
then, you know, start putting out. We want to,

01:06:57.989 --> 01:07:00.210
you know, make this a succession. And we're hoping

01:07:00.210 --> 01:07:01.750
to even do it, you know, we're just taking one

01:07:01.750 --> 01:07:03.630
at a time here. But we want this to be a series

01:07:03.630 --> 01:07:06.409
because, you know, we've got a lot of good feedback.

01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.039
from people that like the concept of this. They

01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:12.099
like the idea of talking about, you know, not,

01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:15.380
you know, just historical stuff, but really showcasing

01:07:15.380 --> 01:07:18.320
now in the moment what everyone's going through

01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.940
to try to make this, you know, a full -time thing

01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:23.900
or to just try to survive within it, you know.

01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:25.659
And so it'll be, it's going to be a little bit

01:07:25.659 --> 01:07:28.019
different, but, you know, and a different place,

01:07:28.019 --> 01:07:29.760
obviously, too. It won't be in California. We

01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.420
can tell you where it's going to be. It's going

01:07:31.420 --> 01:07:33.679
to be out of Texas. So it's going to be Texas.

01:07:34.099 --> 01:07:39.199
Yeah. That much we can say. Yeah. Yeah. And definitely

01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.400
this film will help that film being able to be

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.880
like, hey, here we have something like, you know,

01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.280
would you want to, would you be willing to work

01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:48.800
with us? These are the kind of things we need.

01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.380
So this should kind of help streamline that whole

01:07:53.380 --> 01:07:56.539
process. And so we'll have a lot more fun doing

01:07:56.539 --> 01:07:58.300
it. And the musicians themselves will kind of

01:07:58.300 --> 01:08:01.159
know our background and our history. So it should

01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.719
help all of us out. Just even like what Matt

01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:07.079
said earlier of us having. lifers and then yeah

01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.480
subsequently the uh is it a sequel or is it i

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.719
don't know yeah it's a second it'll be a lifers

01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:17.859
too so yeah cool and it still falls within that

01:08:17.859 --> 01:08:20.819
15 to 18 months that you uh said with the other

01:08:20.819 --> 01:08:23.619
one so that that makes sense same thing exactly

01:08:23.619 --> 01:08:26.020
we we don't uh we like i said we have a tentative

01:08:26.020 --> 01:08:29.199
plan but yes we gotta the time you know to get

01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:31.819
it out is is definitely crucial and um and what's

01:08:31.819 --> 01:08:33.420
as good as you know going into this one we had

01:08:33.979 --> 01:08:36.479
We had that timeframe, but we were also like,

01:08:36.579 --> 01:08:38.579
well, can we get it done by that time? You don't

01:08:38.579 --> 01:08:40.500
know. It was the first time doing it. Now we

01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:42.800
kind of see what needs to be. It'll take quicker

01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:44.579
now because we already had this experience doing

01:08:44.579 --> 01:08:47.100
it this time. Now we know, okay, how we're going

01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:49.500
to do it, how to work it. You know, this one

01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:51.579
was a little different where I, you know, I waited

01:08:51.579 --> 01:08:53.640
to get all the pieces to the puzzle first before

01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.300
putting it together with the editing. The next

01:08:56.300 --> 01:08:59.439
one, we can kind of do that as we go, because

01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.800
now we've kind of hammered all that out and figured

01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.229
out all the, you know, the. the quirks and everything

01:09:04.229 --> 01:09:07.170
and all the hammer out all the kinks, um, from

01:09:07.170 --> 01:09:10.529
the last one. So we have a much clearer, you

01:09:10.529 --> 01:09:12.149
know, focus and idea of what we're going to do

01:09:12.149 --> 01:09:14.689
this time than we did, uh, with, with lifers.

01:09:15.029 --> 01:09:17.890
The first one. Yeah. And where did you say people

01:09:17.890 --> 01:09:21.149
can check the movie out currently? So we have

01:09:21.149 --> 01:09:23.930
right now, um, it's available on our band camp

01:09:23.930 --> 01:09:27.069
page. So you can go to, uh, one Palm that's P

01:09:27.069 --> 01:09:32.840
a L M one Palm productions .bandcamp .com. It's

01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:34.619
up there. Like I said, these are going pretty,

01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:36.680
you know, we're selling out pretty quick. We

01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.060
don't have too many left, but there are some

01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:40.819
still, you know, so if they want to go there

01:09:40.819 --> 01:09:42.939
and pick one up, they can go ahead and do that.

01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:46.760
Like I said, it's been licensed by filmsy .com.

01:09:46.939 --> 01:09:49.060
So we're just, it takes, what is it? I think

01:09:49.060 --> 01:09:51.239
they said it takes from two to 12 weeks. That

01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:53.300
was a couple of weeks ago that it was licensed.

01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:55.899
So we're hoping sooner than later, we're hoping

01:09:55.899 --> 01:09:57.500
it's not going to take another 10 weeks, you

01:09:57.500 --> 01:09:59.750
know, obviously. By the summer, we're hoping

01:09:59.750 --> 01:10:01.430
sometime between now and by the end of the summer,

01:10:01.470 --> 01:10:03.649
that's going to be available for everyone, as

01:10:03.649 --> 01:10:07.409
well as some of the other sites like Prime Video

01:10:07.409 --> 01:10:10.489
and so forth. It's finally going to be out there,

01:10:10.550 --> 01:10:12.689
though. It's just a waiting game right now with

01:10:12.689 --> 01:10:14.789
the streaming. We're really excited for that,

01:10:14.829 --> 01:10:16.670
obviously, because that's where most people want

01:10:16.670 --> 01:10:20.310
to see it. Once they do, hopefully everyone will

01:10:20.310 --> 01:10:26.439
enjoy it. Sometime this summer. And we know if

01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:28.520
everyone could go to our social media pages,

01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.319
we got an Instagram and Facebook lifers, the

01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.760
movie it's on. And we're, you know, we're updating

01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:38.000
stuff daily. We were posting daily just to keep

01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:40.239
people updated on what's going on. So, and I,

01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:41.800
we were just talking about, there's a Spotify

01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.439
playlist. So for people that either have seen

01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:46.520
a movie or they want to get an idea of what the

01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.260
band sound like and their music and go to the

01:10:48.260 --> 01:10:50.699
Spotify playlist, same thing. Life is the movie

01:10:50.699 --> 01:10:55.770
playlist on Spotify. Okay. And your podcasts.

01:10:57.210 --> 01:10:59.789
So, yeah. So it's interesting right now. So,

01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:04.350
you know, aftershocks that I've been doing, you

01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:07.229
know, on and off with, you know, by myself with

01:11:07.229 --> 01:11:09.710
Chris Aiken and so forth right now, that's kind

01:11:09.710 --> 01:11:13.109
of, you know, on the back burner, you know, just

01:11:13.109 --> 01:11:14.729
because we've got this going on, we got a second

01:11:14.729 --> 01:11:17.229
one coming, but I am doing, because we're doing

01:11:17.229 --> 01:11:20.369
the heavy rock stuff. There is, I did do a podcast

01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:22.909
called the heavy galaxy show with John Gist,

01:11:22.909 --> 01:11:26.409
who, is a big, you know, fixture in the scene.

01:11:26.449 --> 01:11:29.750
He's a promoter and does a couple of shows as

01:11:29.750 --> 01:11:32.310
well, podcasts in the scene of the Dunedin Stone

01:11:32.310 --> 01:11:34.409
show. We're restarting that. We're actually doing

01:11:34.409 --> 01:11:37.930
our first one tomorrow. Okay. So this is what?

01:11:37.970 --> 01:11:40.489
Today's the 18th, so that's tomorrow's the 19th.

01:11:40.489 --> 01:11:41.949
We're going to start doing it. It should be out

01:11:41.949 --> 01:11:44.770
the following week. So we're starting that one

01:11:44.770 --> 01:11:47.810
up again with the podcast. I know Tanner, I think

01:11:47.810 --> 01:11:49.970
he's restarted his Puppets Corner, I believe.

01:11:50.010 --> 01:11:51.890
You could talk about that, right? Off and on,

01:11:51.970 --> 01:11:54.710
but no, I'm mainly... primarily focused on kind

01:11:54.710 --> 01:11:56.710
of what we're, what we're doing and I have other

01:11:56.710 --> 01:12:01.569
films in the work. So yeah. Okay. Not to get

01:12:01.569 --> 01:12:08.310
on a tangent there. Um, and similar deal, uh,

01:12:08.390 --> 01:12:11.369
anywhere people can go to keep up with the shows

01:12:11.369 --> 01:12:16.520
when they're back up and gone. Yeah, primarily

01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.560
YouTube and Rumble is where I'm at. So it's Poppets

01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:22.779
Corner is the name of the podcast that I'm on.

01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:27.180
It's P -O -P -P -I -T -T -S Corner is the name

01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:32.399
of the podcast. And with Matt, we try to do a

01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:34.859
couple here and there or whatever. We just like

01:12:34.859 --> 01:12:38.560
to have fun doing it. And I'm a huge fan of Aftershocks.

01:12:38.819 --> 01:12:41.439
I learned a lot from Matt in particular when

01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.420
it comes to that whole aspect. So yeah, it's...

01:12:44.890 --> 01:12:47.569
As far as I'm concerned, that's where you can

01:12:47.569 --> 01:12:51.430
find Papa's Corner. Yeah, for Heavy Galaxy, it's

01:12:51.430 --> 01:12:55.510
actually heavygalaxy .com. It's through the site.

01:12:55.569 --> 01:12:57.670
I have a site up there. I haven't, you know,

01:12:57.729 --> 01:12:59.210
I've been working on this for a while. I'm going

01:12:59.210 --> 01:13:01.489
to try to get this really honed this summer.

01:13:01.550 --> 01:13:04.329
I've got a radio station blog thing called seismicsounds

01:13:04.329 --> 01:13:09.010
.com. It's seismic -sounds .com. It's got all

01:13:09.010 --> 01:13:12.369
heavy rock, classic metal. uh radio um we're

01:13:12.369 --> 01:13:14.109
gonna be you know putting up some podcasts and

01:13:14.109 --> 01:13:17.090
shows on that radio station um but it's also

01:13:17.090 --> 01:13:19.449
the the home for heavy galaxy .com as well so

01:13:19.449 --> 01:13:21.510
everyone can check out the podcasts on there

01:13:21.510 --> 01:13:25.569
um and like keep up with lifers as well on there

01:13:25.569 --> 01:13:29.409
and everything so seismic sounds .com um yeah

01:13:29.409 --> 01:13:30.770
everyone should check it out like i said that's

01:13:30.770 --> 01:13:33.520
that's another focus i have with uh, getting

01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:35.579
that really to where I want to get it. You know,

01:13:35.619 --> 01:13:37.020
I've been wanting to for the last couple of years,

01:13:37.060 --> 01:13:38.159
it's been up for a little while, but I haven't

01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:40.119
really pushed it too hard. So that's another

01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:42.239
little project we're doing. Right. Um, that we're

01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:43.720
always doing is just these little extra things.

01:13:43.779 --> 01:13:47.640
So yeah, seismics dash shuns .com. Yeah. I have

01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.699
to say that, uh, listening to aftershocks, uh,

01:13:50.819 --> 01:13:54.779
I, I fight back from writing you guys continuously

01:13:54.779 --> 01:13:56.659
because I know I'm going to be a pain in the

01:13:56.659 --> 01:14:01.050
ass, but, um, just think to, to you guys. on

01:14:01.050 --> 01:14:03.689
certain conversations and, and I'm sitting there

01:14:03.689 --> 01:14:06.189
screaming at the radio, agreeing with things.

01:14:06.729 --> 01:14:10.390
Um, and I couldn't help it. Uh, the other day,

01:14:10.470 --> 01:14:12.390
I don't know if you saw, but there's a new, uh,

01:14:12.409 --> 01:14:16.470
scars on Broadway. Yes. Did you know that the

01:14:16.470 --> 01:14:19.270
legendary Casey chaos came up with that name?

01:14:20.229 --> 01:14:22.130
Uh, I didn't know that, but I, but I do know

01:14:22.130 --> 01:14:24.149
that him and Derry Malakian were, were tight

01:14:24.149 --> 01:14:28.189
because he was on Malakian's, uh, uh, label.

01:14:28.859 --> 01:14:32.180
each of music amen was yeah but i didn't know

01:14:32.180 --> 01:14:34.840
he came up with that name though um yeah i know

01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:38.039
we well we we towards the you know aftershocks

01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:39.619
i think that's one of the things too it's very

01:14:39.619 --> 01:14:43.279
um it's one of those contentious you know uh

01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.239
shows where we just kind of shoot off at the

01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.840
hip me and chris right uh with our opinions is

01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:49.840
very strong opinionated you know i think one

01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.960
of the things is i'm sure you know we we talked

01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:54.699
about that with system of a down obviously that

01:14:54.699 --> 01:14:56.460
was one of the ones i know last ones we had done

01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:59.520
Um, and of course the one about a man with Casey

01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:02.340
chaos. Um, you know, we've got, I think the one

01:15:02.340 --> 01:15:04.979
we really got a lot of, uh, pushback on are a

01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:07.380
lot of people not happy with what we did was

01:15:07.380 --> 01:15:08.979
the one with Bobby Liebling. We had a lot of

01:15:08.979 --> 01:15:10.800
people who agree with us. Okay. I believe it

01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:13.399
from pentagram. Yeah. And we had a lot of hate

01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:15.340
on that one. Obviously, you know, we were, we

01:15:15.340 --> 01:15:17.500
were not big fans of certain things, but you

01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:18.840
know, that's the thing is, you know, I mean,

01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.359
aftershocks is just one of those things shooting

01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.640
at the head, but you know, I think it's fun doing

01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:25.199
that, but at the same time, I've been doing that.

01:15:25.220 --> 01:15:27.199
We've been doing that for a long time with aftershocks.

01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.520
I think what I want to kind of do now with the

01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:32.720
podcast or with the films, whatever, is really

01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:35.399
more of a celebratory, you know, I mean, a lot

01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.659
of times we can get pretty negative on the aftershocks.

01:15:37.859 --> 01:15:41.500
So I wanted to really focus on kind of more of

01:15:41.500 --> 01:15:45.579
the celebratory upbeat content instead of just,

01:15:45.659 --> 01:15:48.140
you know, everything that we don't like about

01:15:48.140 --> 01:15:49.840
what's going on. It's more like, let's focus

01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:51.859
on the stuff we do like and stuff that's been.

01:15:52.630 --> 01:15:54.689
historically good, you know, focus on some classic

01:15:54.689 --> 01:15:57.029
records and stuff instead of just being a couple

01:15:57.029 --> 01:15:59.630
of, you know, pain in the ass, you know, assholes

01:15:59.630 --> 01:16:02.289
just shooting off the hip and our opinions on

01:16:02.289 --> 01:16:05.829
stuff. So it's fun, you know, and I'm sure one

01:16:05.829 --> 01:16:07.590
day I'll probably go back to doing that once

01:16:07.590 --> 01:16:10.069
every, you know, once we see what's going on

01:16:10.069 --> 01:16:11.750
with the industry in the next year or two. But,

01:16:11.750 --> 01:16:14.529
you know, but I didn't know that. I didn't know

01:16:14.529 --> 01:16:17.489
that KCKS came up with that. I mean, what do

01:16:17.489 --> 01:16:21.149
you agree? Do you think Legend or not? He, he,

01:16:21.770 --> 01:16:25.229
I don't remember if I read it or heard him say

01:16:25.229 --> 01:16:27.729
it in an interview, but that he had started the

01:16:27.729 --> 01:16:33.289
band with Darren. Yeah, yeah. And that he was

01:16:33.289 --> 01:16:35.170
kind of pissed that he had kind of taken the

01:16:35.170 --> 01:16:38.810
name and ran with it. Didn't know that. Yeah,

01:16:38.890 --> 01:16:41.550
yeah, yeah. So that's kind of what I understood

01:16:41.550 --> 01:16:45.149
from that. But I mean, he's still releasing music

01:16:45.149 --> 01:16:49.039
under that name. So who knows what the... what

01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:52.060
the truth probably is beyond behind that. And,

01:16:52.060 --> 01:16:56.579
and probably only the two of them know. And they're

01:16:56.579 --> 01:16:58.560
probably the only two that probably care to know

01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.979
either. I don't see too many people out there

01:17:00.979 --> 01:17:03.359
on the internet shaking their fists. Hey, we

01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.260
need to get down to the bottom of this. No, I

01:17:06.260 --> 01:17:07.539
mean, there's not that many people that are listening

01:17:07.539 --> 01:17:09.199
to that anyway. You know what I mean? Not to

01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.300
be, again, I don't want to be negative here,

01:17:11.380 --> 01:17:14.539
but yeah, the whole system of a down thing is

01:17:14.539 --> 01:17:16.300
just, you know, as a guy who's a huge fan of

01:17:16.300 --> 01:17:18.579
them, it's just really, disappointing like we

01:17:18.579 --> 01:17:21.279
see with a lot of these bands that you know they

01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:25.420
just refuse to to be able to get along so they

01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:27.239
can put out new music I mean I can't see them

01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:29.739
anymore I can't watch them play the same songs

01:17:29.739 --> 01:17:32.359
for the last 20 you know I mean they haven't

01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:36.340
put out a record in 20 years so it's yeah that's

01:17:36.340 --> 01:17:38.479
just a little pet peeve of mine are bands that

01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:41.300
just really ride on the nostalgia and they don't

01:17:41.300 --> 01:17:43.500
want to put nothing else out so my opinion I

01:17:43.500 --> 01:17:45.279
just stop supporting them then you know that's

01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.840
just Yeah, I don't get that either. I remember

01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.020
one of the first times they got back together

01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:56.100
again. Actually, the owner of the tattoo parlor

01:17:56.100 --> 01:17:58.779
that I go to, we kind of got into an argument.

01:17:58.859 --> 01:18:00.180
I'm like, why are you going to see them? They're

01:18:00.180 --> 01:18:02.020
just going to play the same shit they've always

01:18:02.020 --> 01:18:04.800
played. Seriously, now you're going to pay like

01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:09.319
$120 to see them to play the same old, same old?

01:18:09.380 --> 01:18:11.899
I'm like, all right. Exactly. If they're playing

01:18:11.899 --> 01:18:15.199
like five or six new songs, I get that. Yeah.

01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:18.260
And I mean, that's, that's a thing that I try

01:18:18.260 --> 01:18:22.020
to do here on the podcast is that we do a, a

01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:25.239
monthly like recap of albums that have come out

01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:27.060
and stuff that kind of stick out to us. Cause

01:18:27.060 --> 01:18:31.140
I mean, I think that this music needs to keep

01:18:31.140 --> 01:18:35.760
going and if we're just set on what came out

01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:40.760
in 89, you know, what do you expect once all

01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.100
those bands are dead and gone and some of them

01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:48.520
are terrible at this point, Yep. You know, there's

01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:53.640
other shit out there that's good. And none of

01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:56.760
it, again, I keep telling people, nothing is

01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:59.800
going to replace your favorites. Still doesn't

01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:03.119
mean that you can't add to that giant playlist

01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:05.180
that you got and get enjoyment out of new stuff

01:19:05.180 --> 01:19:08.880
that's coming out. Exactly. Yeah. It's got to

01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:10.819
be replenished. You can't live off the same thing

01:19:10.819 --> 01:19:12.380
year after year after year. And that's one of

01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:15.409
the reasons we focused on these bands. Two is

01:19:15.409 --> 01:19:17.210
because there is new music and they're active,

01:19:17.430 --> 01:19:20.369
you know, with these new bands. And so I want,

01:19:20.390 --> 01:19:22.010
you know, we want people to know that there is

01:19:22.010 --> 01:19:24.489
still good new music being put out there. Yes,

01:19:24.550 --> 01:19:26.770
it's not played everywhere like it used to be.

01:19:26.810 --> 01:19:28.930
You got to dig a little bit. But, you know, normally

01:19:28.930 --> 01:19:31.430
when I play these bands for some people who were

01:19:31.430 --> 01:19:33.449
into a lot of the stuff for the 90s and so forth,

01:19:33.510 --> 01:19:35.430
they're like, oh, this stuff's great. I got a

01:19:35.430 --> 01:19:36.729
good buddy of mine. We're going to see Full Man

01:19:36.729 --> 01:19:38.569
Chew tonight, actually, here in San Francisco.

01:19:39.300 --> 01:19:41.239
And a lot of these bands that were in the film,

01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:43.180
you know, he didn't know about. And I got him

01:19:43.180 --> 01:19:45.060
hooked on all these bands. It's just a lot of

01:19:45.060 --> 01:19:47.340
them don't know what's there. Right. A lot of

01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:49.140
people just don't know what's there. And so that's

01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:50.760
the one thing we want to do, too, with our films

01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.020
or just everything in general. Like you said,

01:19:52.060 --> 01:19:55.420
the podcast is just that people know you don't

01:19:55.420 --> 01:19:57.560
have to just keep regurgitating and listen to

01:19:57.560 --> 01:19:58.899
the same stuff you've been doing for the last

01:19:58.899 --> 01:20:01.220
30 years. There's still tons of really good music

01:20:01.220 --> 01:20:03.739
out there. It's just you have to dig a little

01:20:03.739 --> 01:20:05.720
or just open your mind a little and search a

01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.380
little bit and you'll find it. Yeah, absolutely.

01:20:09.540 --> 01:20:13.720
Yeah. Awesome. So, yeah, thanks again for having

01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:16.859
us on and helping us promote this, man. It means

01:20:16.859 --> 01:20:19.020
so much. It's great to meet you finally. I've

01:20:19.020 --> 01:20:21.020
heard a lot about you and just, yeah, thanks

01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:23.260
for all that you do too, man. Another lifer.

01:20:23.939 --> 01:20:27.880
Exactly. Well, I appreciate that. And, you know,

01:20:27.899 --> 01:20:31.899
I hope that, you know, that this helps drive

01:20:31.899 --> 01:20:36.779
some more people in your direction. And I definitely

01:20:36.779 --> 01:20:39.460
want to. you know, as the series continues to

01:20:39.460 --> 01:20:41.439
grow and whatnot, I hope that, you know, you

01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.800
guys come back and continue to tell me and the

01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.720
listeners of the show, you know, what, uh, what

01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:50.260
else you guys have cooking and what's coming

01:20:50.260 --> 01:20:52.899
up next. So. Yeah, absolutely. No. Yeah. Thanks

01:20:52.899 --> 01:20:54.779
so much for Victor. Really appreciate it, man.

01:20:54.819 --> 01:20:56.880
It's always a pleasure talking to you, man. Awesome.

01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:01.739
Thanks guys. And on that note, we will be ending

01:21:01.739 --> 01:21:05.199
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