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Welcome one and all to episode 410 of Signals

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from Mars. I'm your host Victor and this is the

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Hall of Fame episode of the show. What we've

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done is we've had people vote on 10 bands they

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would include in their own personal Hall of Fame.

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I've compiled all that information and come up

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with a 10 band countdown for this episode. I'm

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ready. Fantastic turnout. This has been the one

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show where I've been able to achieve the most

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amount of votes, gotten the most amount of people

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to vote for this topic. It's a topic that for

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a lot of people, especially in the States, is

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near and dear to their hearts because a lot of

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people feel that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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does not represent them. There are certain things

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that they do that are, that is head scratching.

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There's other stuff that I understand the importance

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of some of the artists that are included. I think

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the biggest sticking point is the name of the

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establishment for a lot of people. With that

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said, I do think that there are huge trolls that

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They induct people into the Hall of Fame just

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to get a rise out of people online, just to get

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people talking just like I'm doing right now.

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So I kind of fit that bill. There you go. So

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to kind of put it to rest, what I want to do

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is have a yearly Hall of Fame induction where

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I have people vote for bands that they want to

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include in this Hall of Fame. whoever they choose,

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so long as they stay within the hard rock and

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metal, or as you guys will hear during this episode,

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maybe straight up rock bands as well, because

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it's an interesting take on what a band means

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to you, depending on where you came from, when

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you grew up, so on and so forth. So I think it's

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a fun listen. Of course, I'm biased. But yeah,

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for checking the show out keep in mind who we

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voted on who made it into the Hall of Fame and

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who you'd like to see added for next year. Maybe

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to the episode. Thank you for choosing to listen

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to Signals from Mars. Let's get on with the countdown.

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Welcome one and all to the March 21st edition

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of Signals from Mars. I'm your host, Victor.

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And we have a cavalcade of guests from around

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the world. We have Jeremy in the UK. We have

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Ed in Kentucky. And we have Johan in Sweden.

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How is everyone tonight? Yeah, good. Thanks.

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Thank you. Excellent. Excellent. So today's episode

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is the Hall of Fame. So I was thinking of topics

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to cover on the show. And I recently guested

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on Hooligan Nation podcast to talk about the

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which interestingly

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enough, when we talk to people outside of the

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U .S., nobody seems to care about it. A lot of

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it, I think, probably has to do with the fact

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that it's kind of, how could I say this, trollish.

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In the sense that I think a lot of what they

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do is just to incite clicks online, to incite

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discussions, or to get credit for reuniting bands

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that had been away for a very long time. There

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are other Hall of Fames out there. Some of them

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are based on how much people are paying to get

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their names put in there. So what we did... To

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make things different is, it's all about the

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music. And I had people vote on 10 bands that

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they would use to induct into a Hall of Fame.

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And what I want to do is have a yearly discussion

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on 10 bands that we all love and talk about their

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music and how they've become part of the soundtrack

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of our lives. And I was mentioning Off Air. This

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is the biggest turnout that I've ever had for

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people voting. And 121 bands were voted on. All

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right. And there's all types of hard rock and

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metal. There's a bunch of different rock acts

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that were voted on going back to the 50s. All

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right. So I find that to be pretty cool, actually.

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That we have listeners that will go back and

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pick out someone like the Beach Boys or Roy Orbison

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and say, you know what? I think they're worthy

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to be in the Hall of Fame because what they did

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in the inception of rock music influenced what

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came later on in hard rock and metal. So there

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are a lot of different. bands that were voted

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on um and one could even argue that some of this

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stuff leans into the fact that even the the quote

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-unquote rock and roll hall of fame has a lot

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of diversity um because you know people voted

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on stuff like pink floyd stuff like the beastie

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boys stuff like um All types of grunge stuff,

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all types of industrial, hard rock and metal,

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new metal, bands that could be considered founders

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of what ended up happening in the 70s. You know,

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bands that didn't make it in this year anyway

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are bands like The Who, Nirvana, UFO, Queen,

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Mountain, you know, and even going on. Further

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on down the road, you have bands like Rage Against

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the Machine, Faith No More, Tool. So there's

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a wide variety of bands that people voted on

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that did not make the top 10. What we're going

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to stick to, because I'm sure this will be quite

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a bit of discussion even between the four of

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us, the top 10 bands that made it, in my opinion,

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are all very deserving to be here. The voting,

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it was very close all the way down to the last

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few people that voted. I mentioned this off air

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to Jeremy and Ed. There's literally one point

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separating a lot of these bands. So anyway, without

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further ado. I think the top 10 is going to shock

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a lot of people, given what we're normally voting

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for on signals from Mars. Going in. All right.

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Let me ask this. Going in. Jeremy, what do you

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think the number one is? I think it's going to

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be ATTC. OK. Ed? Black Sabbath. OK. Johan, what

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do you think the number one is? Rush. Okay. So

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let's kick things off at number 10. And they

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barely made it to number 10. They squeaked in

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at number 10. It is. Wait. Number 10. I forgot

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that I had that. Sorry, Johan. It is Rush. Okay.

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Yeah. Johan, you are the ultimate Rush connoisseur.

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Obviously, this band has been a big part of the

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soundtrack of your life. And not only to you,

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but to a lot of people that have voted for them.

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To even get into number 10. And I think this

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is, to me, this is a big deal. Yeah. One of the

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first 10 bands to make it here. So they've impacted

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enough people to be there. Your thoughts, Johan?

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Well, you know, Rush isn't the easiest band to

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get into. It's not like they have a master of

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puppets, but they have. But they have Tom Sawyer.

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But I think that perhaps they are the band that

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you have to spend a little more time with than

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the usual band. But when you do, you find them

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to be your friend for life. So I think it's...

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I'm very happy that Rush is number 10 on this

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list, but I think, and I have to tell people

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that if you listen to Rush, you will get, that's

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the music that you need. Okay. Yeah. Okay. For

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you, if you had to recommend, you mentioned Tom

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Sawyer, if you had to recommend an album for

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somebody that you want to suck them in and have

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them start to listen to Rush, what's that album?

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Ooh. Signals. Okay. Yeah, great album. Yeah,

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Signals. I think it's... Moving Pictures is perhaps

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the obvious choice, but... If you are a casual

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fan, Signals. Okay. Jeremy, your thoughts on

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Rush? Yeah, well, I sensed a slight disappointment

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in Johan's voice when he said they were 10th,

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but you've got to remember they're one of the

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first bands that are being inaugurated into this

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Hall of Fame, so they're there, and they're one

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of the first, and they're there on merit because

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they're one of the greatest sort of prog rock.

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prog metal bands of all time. You know, they're

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quite unique sound. They've got a fantastic history,

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great canon of history of, you know, albums.

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And they changed a lot through the years, but

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they built up a massive following. There's so

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many people who just like, you know, they love

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Rush, just like Johan. You know, they understand

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the musicianship. that's there and that's what's

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carried them through really you know they're

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fantastic musicians they write fantastic lyrics

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great songs and you know not every song's for

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me personally but i can see why they would be

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in in this hall of fame it's it's a no -brainer

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okay ed anything to uh add yeah i've i've realizing

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that i've failed my hall of fame list and i didn't

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put rush on my list And that's not right now

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that it's been brought up. There's a couple of

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bands at the end of my list that I probably would

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have put Rush instead of them. But I've not been

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a super fan of Rush like a lot of my friends

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were. But I will say I've had a lot of friends

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that were super fans of Rush and just talked

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about them all the time. And so I collected the

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records, listened to them from time to time,

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but never was a huge fan. But one thing that's

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interesting is I just turned 55, and I've noticed

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as I'm getting older, I've been wanting to listen

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to Rush a lot more, especially in the last few

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months. You know that YouTube channel called

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Lost in Vegas? Yeah. A couple of guys that review

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records, I guess their background is hip -hop,

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but they're reviewing a lot of hip -hop. Those

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guys love Rush. Yep. And they recently did another

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song off of the same record with Tom Sawyer,

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Moving Pictures. Moving Pictures, yeah. And one

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of those guys brought up the fact that when you

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listen to Rush songs, even though they're talking

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about a lot of fantasy. Just the feeling of their

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music takes you back in time. Yeah. And that's

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what their music makes me feel lately. It's connected

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me with old friends when I listen to their music

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through the melodies and the emotions that the

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music brings up. And, you know, when you think

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about, even though they weren't, you know, heavy

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metal, the impact that they've had. on just everyone

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is just amazing. You know, we could talk for

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hours about that influence with them. And that

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influence is going to go on for many, many years,

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too, after they're done. So they deserve to be

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on the list and they probably should be higher.

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And I've sinned by not putting him on my list.

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I won't do that next year. Yeah, a bunch of interesting

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points that you guys have mentioned. For as much

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as people talk about King Crimson and talk about

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Yes and talk about other progressive rock bands,

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Rush is kind of the one that pushed progressive

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music to the forefront. that kind of made it

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digestible for a lot of people. And Ed will know

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this out of the group, a band that has always

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been on terrestrial radio in the U .S. I mean,

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every single day you hear Tom Sawyer and Limelight

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and Red Barrichetta and... The YYZ and, you know,

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there's five or six Rush songs that get daily

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rotation all over the U .S. For as much as, again,

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I don't know that to be the fact out of maybe

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Yes gets Roundabout and Seen All Good People

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played. That's it. But those songs never had

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the same impact that Rush had. Rush also came

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along. video age they tried different things

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they didn't just do one thing where for yes to

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do that they had to bring trevor rabin in and

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they had to bring in like a completely different

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band to go in a different direction rush outside

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of that first album was the same three guys you

00:20:06.230 --> 00:20:09.009
know the the whole trajectory of the band so

00:20:09.009 --> 00:20:14.500
there's there's so much that hard rock and metal

00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:19.680
has been affected and influenced by Rush. And

00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.480
you want to go towards, you know, a lot of people

00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:28.579
talk about the double bass that Filthy Animal

00:20:28.579 --> 00:20:33.039
did with Motorhead and Bomber and Accept as Fast

00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.599
as a Shark that helped push thrash metal and

00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.880
death metal and stuff like that. I don't think

00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.349
Neil Peart, gets the recognition for what his

00:20:45.349 --> 00:20:48.589
drumming has done to the death metal and extreme

00:20:48.589 --> 00:20:52.089
metal world. Because before that, yes, okay,

00:20:52.150 --> 00:20:54.390
I'm not discounting the double bass in those

00:20:54.390 --> 00:20:57.970
songs that I mentioned, but Neil Peart was always

00:20:57.970 --> 00:21:01.970
busy. And that's something that you later had

00:21:01.970 --> 00:21:05.609
bands like Death and Cannibal Corpse and stuff

00:21:05.609 --> 00:21:09.670
like that do. So Rush has had a lasting impression

00:21:09.670 --> 00:21:14.910
on... a lot of different sub -genres of rock

00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:19.829
and metal. So I think it's uber important that

00:21:19.829 --> 00:21:23.329
they're on this list. I almost feel like their

00:21:23.329 --> 00:21:27.730
popularity is growing, even with them being done,

00:21:27.869 --> 00:21:31.730
and that it's going to grow more, I think, as

00:21:31.730 --> 00:21:34.750
these younger generations continue to catch on

00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:38.470
to how awesome they really were. Yeah, and a

00:21:38.470 --> 00:21:43.789
lot of that has to do with the fact that they

00:21:43.789 --> 00:21:50.470
quit when they had to. They were a great band

00:21:50.470 --> 00:21:54.589
to see live. Every album has good music on it.

00:21:55.930 --> 00:22:00.690
Where there are other contemporaries of theirs

00:22:00.690 --> 00:22:04.910
that have hung along too long. Until singers

00:22:04.910 --> 00:22:07.069
could no longer sing. They've had to lip sync.

00:22:07.309 --> 00:22:09.990
They've had to do, you know, they've also been

00:22:09.990 --> 00:22:13.390
good at being humorous about themselves and understanding

00:22:13.390 --> 00:22:18.730
their places and stuff like that. And you look

00:22:18.730 --> 00:22:21.130
at, for example, what Alex Lifeson is doing now

00:22:21.130 --> 00:22:25.690
with Envy of None. Sounds nothing like Rush.

00:22:26.150 --> 00:22:30.869
But with the legacy that he's left behind, I

00:22:30.869 --> 00:22:37.769
think Alex Lifeson. has the cash to do whatever

00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:41.589
he wants he's left enough of a footing for everyone

00:22:41.589 --> 00:22:45.529
to to learn from and to continue to enjoy for

00:22:45.529 --> 00:22:51.890
years that if he wants to put out a ukulele album

00:22:51.890 --> 00:22:57.990
he can do whatever he wants you know so i think

00:22:57.990 --> 00:23:03.920
it's uh nice that alex has uh done that with

00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:11.660
that band because I honestly I think he's just

00:23:11.660 --> 00:23:17.259
a music lover and he just want to do what he

00:23:17.259 --> 00:23:22.619
wants yeah and he's mentioned in interviews he

00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:25.740
found the singer she has an amazing voice he

00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:29.940
hears different types of music for her And whatever

00:23:29.940 --> 00:23:33.599
comes out, comes out. So school me a bit. What's

00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.500
he doing with this Envy of None? Because I actually

00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:39.259
just listened to this song right before I jumped

00:23:39.259 --> 00:23:42.359
online with you. Right. Loved it. I can't wait

00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:46.640
to listen to it again. Yeah. This second album,

00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:50.779
the songs that they've released, the album comes

00:23:50.779 --> 00:23:55.480
out next Friday, sound a lot more like pop rock,

00:23:55.579 --> 00:23:57.660
whereas the first album was a little bit more

00:23:57.660 --> 00:24:02.839
ambient. Um, this is more towards like nineties

00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:06.440
alternative pop rock, like something like the

00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:11.200
band garbage, for example. Um, which is a band

00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.299
who I'm a fan of. So I'm really looking forward

00:24:14.299 --> 00:24:19.880
to hearing the entire thing as well. Cool. So

00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:28.450
let's move on to number nine. All right. The

00:24:28.450 --> 00:24:39.670
first entry from the United Kingdom. A hugely

00:24:39.670 --> 00:24:46.130
influential band who has influenced more than

00:24:46.130 --> 00:24:51.589
one band that is on this list. It is Deep Purple.

00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:55.089
And the lineup that I picked is probably the

00:24:55.089 --> 00:24:59.410
most important out of them. Just, again, based

00:24:59.410 --> 00:25:02.970
on popularity, the weight of the songs, not to

00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:05.089
say that any other lineup isn't great because

00:25:05.089 --> 00:25:07.549
they've had a lot of different really good lineups,

00:25:07.569 --> 00:25:14.190
but John Lord, Roger Glover, Ian Pace, Richie

00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:20.210
Blackmore, and who am I missing? I said John

00:25:20.210 --> 00:25:24.369
Lord, Roger Glover, Ian Pace. No, that's Ian

00:25:24.369 --> 00:25:27.119
Gillen. That's who I didn't say. I said one Ian,

00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:31.259
not the other. Okay. Again, each component just

00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:37.559
so important, so influential with music in general.

00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.420
I mean, again, they've done so much over the

00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:45.660
years. Jeremy, lasting impression of Deep Purple.

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.539
Yeah, I mean, they were actually on my list.

00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.579
Absolutely no surprise that they've been picked

00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:57.299
for your Hall of Fame because, like I say, they're

00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:01.500
such an influential band. A lot of the players

00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.940
have gone on to do other things. Ian Gillan's

00:26:03.940 --> 00:26:06.839
gone back to play, as we know. Ian Pace has gone

00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.640
back to play. Roger Glover went back to play.

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.859
They just came out with their own sort of heavy

00:26:15.859 --> 00:26:20.400
rock. There's a few British bands that you can

00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.200
say are proper heavy rock, and they're one of

00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.700
them. They obviously had the talisman, Richard

00:26:28.700 --> 00:26:31.420
Blackmore, in the band, doing a lot of the stuff.

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:35.859
And they created a lot of hit singles as well,

00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.599
you know, along the way. So it's no surprise,

00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.819
really. I mean, they've lasted such a long time.

00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:46.079
you know they're still going today and they've

00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.579
recreated themselves as well you know the deep

00:26:48.579 --> 00:26:50.559
purple of today that you're watching is very

00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:54.079
very different to the 1970s mark ii which you

00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.059
put up there um and they've you know they've

00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:59.059
had other they had the mark three with david

00:26:59.059 --> 00:27:02.359
coverdale and glenn hughes in and and that was

00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:06.700
you know that was an interesting you know modernization

00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:09.640
of the band very few bands really have gone through

00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.460
so many They're almost like, I don't know if

00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:14.880
you've heard of Doctor Who, the program on TV

00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.380
where the Doctor recreates himself all the time,

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:22.000
but Doctor Who keeps going. And they're kind

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.500
of like that. They recreate themselves and keep

00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:27.839
going. So yeah, they're a fantastic band. Everybody

00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.579
learns to play Smoke on the Water. Let's face

00:27:31.579 --> 00:27:35.000
it, for a band that's done Smoke on the Water,

00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:37.180
they need to be in the Hall of Fame because no

00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:39.970
matter how much we hate it now, If you actually

00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:43.289
listen to it, it's an absolute classic. And we

00:27:43.289 --> 00:27:46.849
can't ignore it. It's a classic. Everyone learns

00:27:46.849 --> 00:27:49.470
to play it on the guitar. But they had so many

00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:55.470
others. Great, great, great band. Yeah. Ed, your

00:27:55.470 --> 00:28:02.829
thoughts on Deep Purple? Yeah. Besides Black

00:28:02.829 --> 00:28:05.470
Sabbath, I think they're probably the biggest

00:28:05.470 --> 00:28:10.740
influence on hard rock and heavy metal. Because

00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:13.839
you just, especially that, you know, in rock

00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:19.200
through burn era, you know, up until Coverdale

00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.220
came in. Coverdale came in on Stormbringer, I

00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:26.460
think, and much different sound. But, you know,

00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:30.079
everything they did in those years, you end up

00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.900
hearing in every band in the hard rock and metal

00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:38.480
world, you know, for several decades, I think.

00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:43.920
And, you know, every guitar player idolizes Blackmore.

00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.299
John Lord, I mean, he's just like a godfather

00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:52.700
of the hard rock genre. A keyboard player, too,

00:28:52.900 --> 00:29:04.539
at that. It's just a heavy, great jam band. And

00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:09.170
as far as, you know, the influence that they've

00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:12.529
had on everything else. I think I have a hard

00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:16.369
time picking another band above them besides

00:29:16.369 --> 00:29:19.789
maybe who I'll be choosing as number one later.

00:29:22.710 --> 00:29:28.430
Okay. Johan, Deep Purple, the importance and

00:29:28.430 --> 00:29:34.869
impact in Sweden. Well, I think that the album

00:29:34.869 --> 00:29:40.039
Perfect Strangers was very important here in

00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.799
Sweden because it came at the same time as all

00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:55.200
the other US and UK bands and also German. But

00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:03.180
I think that the impact that that band had is

00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:08.000
like... If I compare them to Rush, they have

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:15.839
a similar effect on bands. They are some kind

00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.559
of a measure point. I agree. Where the world

00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:24.259
is going. By the world, I mean the metal world.

00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:29.539
But where is it moving? But Rush has perhaps

00:30:29.539 --> 00:30:33.579
been like they have followed the world more.

00:30:34.269 --> 00:30:41.789
But Deep Purple has stayed more in their own

00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:46.170
world, if you know what I mean. So I think that

00:30:46.170 --> 00:30:50.849
Deep Purple is kind of like a foundation, like

00:30:50.849 --> 00:30:57.569
an anchor for our type of music. And I think

00:30:57.569 --> 00:31:01.470
that they are one of the most important bands

00:31:01.470 --> 00:31:07.319
of all time. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised

00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.079
they're not in the top five. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.

00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:15.420
Me too. Well, I think you guys are going to say

00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:20.819
that for a lot of different bands. All right.

00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:40.200
So moving on. Number eight. Van Halen. This original

00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.839
lineup, to me, again, another important, pivotal

00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:50.319
band, pivotal members, changed the game. I mean,

00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.119
let's be honest, we've talked about Eddie a lot

00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:58.099
on this show. Eddie as a guitar player, Eddie

00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:04.569
as an amp builder, modder, pickup creator. Pedal

00:32:04.569 --> 00:32:12.589
designer. I mean, just ridiculous. He reinvented

00:32:12.589 --> 00:32:16.349
what people were doing on the guitar. But outside

00:32:16.349 --> 00:32:23.170
of that, David Lee Roth as a front man kind of

00:32:23.170 --> 00:32:27.190
picked up the baton from Robert Plant and took

00:32:27.190 --> 00:32:35.410
it in another area to make it so that for I mean,

00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:37.970
people wanted to be David Lee Roth as a singer.

00:32:39.609 --> 00:32:44.930
And there's so many huge bands. I mean, look

00:32:44.930 --> 00:32:47.589
at Vince Neil. I think Axl Rose to an extent.

00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:50.890
There's, you know, a lot of different people

00:32:50.890 --> 00:32:55.650
that have come after Van Halen that have tried

00:32:55.650 --> 00:33:02.059
to glom off of the look, the sound. And I mentioned

00:33:02.059 --> 00:33:05.059
Neil Peart before, but I don't think Alex Van

00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:08.819
Halen gets his just due as a drummer either.

00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:13.880
There's a lot of stuff that Alex would do that

00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:18.259
was atypical at the time, just different rhythms,

00:33:18.339 --> 00:33:20.880
different things that he played. And I think

00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.740
as time has gone on, I've kind of refocused and

00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:26.759
listened to a lot of those early albums over

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.549
again. to realize how intricate he's playing

00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:33.170
and different patterns and different things that

00:33:33.170 --> 00:33:37.509
before him, again, I mean, the three drummers

00:33:37.509 --> 00:33:41.650
that we've talked about so far, Neil Peart, Ian

00:33:41.650 --> 00:33:48.990
Pace, and Alex Van Halen, I mean, just super

00:33:48.990 --> 00:33:52.970
influential, completely different players, but

00:33:52.970 --> 00:33:58.400
have influenced millions of, music listeners

00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:03.339
you know to pick up an instrument um so i think

00:34:03.339 --> 00:34:06.799
it's it's a no -brainer and i and i don't want

00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.380
to diminish michael anthony at all because i

00:34:09.380 --> 00:34:12.119
think his backing vocals also was something that

00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:19.360
um for a lot of bands they it brought another

00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.880
element that people wanted hey we need to have

00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:25.139
somebody harmonize with The singer, you know,

00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:28.000
we need to have, and Michael Anthony was a big

00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.460
part of that. So, and to be able to hold down

00:34:31.460 --> 00:34:33.800
the middle there to kind of be the glue on a

00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.880
lot of what was going on, very important as well.

00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.780
Johan, anything to say on Van Halen? Actually,

00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:46.380
as I said before in the show, Van Halen weren't

00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:53.130
a big band here in Sweden. until 1984 when they

00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:57.429
played monsters rock and after that they were

00:34:57.429 --> 00:35:03.690
bigger but not huge so they were more of a what

00:35:03.690 --> 00:35:09.630
can i say more like a legend than a big band

00:35:09.630 --> 00:35:19.219
to me van halen is american hard rock in the

00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:30.940
80s and I don't have any specific no I I like

00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:39.940
the albums some of them but no it's not my and

00:35:39.940 --> 00:35:47.239
I think I speak for most of Sweden that They

00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.480
weren't a big thing here. And I'm sad to say

00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:57.079
because they have a high place on the list, but

00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:05.800
no. No. I leave it up to you guys. Okay. Ed Van

00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.559
Halen. That is interesting to hear him say that,

00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.639
you know, when they were just so massive here

00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.179
for us. It's hard to imagine that. But like he

00:36:15.179 --> 00:36:20.239
said. They're very American, especially with

00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.460
David Lee Roth. I mean, it's just California

00:36:22.460 --> 00:36:26.960
all the way, isn't it? And, you know, I wasn't

00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:32.980
the biggest fan of that either because I like

00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:35.019
darker music. You know, I'd rather be listening

00:36:35.019 --> 00:36:40.460
to Sabbath and Dio and Maiden, whereas Van Halen

00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:45.519
seemed more party time to me. And the Van Halen

00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:47.840
stuff that I do like is their darker material,

00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.559
especially like on their first two or three records,

00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:56.699
maybe. But, you know, David Lee Roth, it's interesting

00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:02.579
when you were talking about him earlier. Let's

00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:08.099
see, their first album was in 78. So they were

00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:12.179
getting their start at a time when... Everything

00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:15.619
was extremely flashy because we had gone through

00:37:15.619 --> 00:37:18.619
the punk scene getting started. And then you

00:37:18.619 --> 00:37:23.340
started having, you know, all of the, you know,

00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.980
the fashions and images of punk coming into rock

00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:30.300
music. And then you had disco explode. There

00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:33.539
was a lot of funk music. And, you know, the way

00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:35.719
everybody was starting to dress, super flashy

00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.659
because of, you know, bands like the New York

00:37:38.659 --> 00:37:41.659
Dolls and all that, you know, influencing. And

00:37:41.659 --> 00:37:43.840
so you had this hard rock band from California

00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:49.559
come out at a time when Kiss was probably one

00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.639
of the bigger hard rock bands, but they were

00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.920
going to start going downhill. And then the dynasty

00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.699
to try to stay in the game. But with David Lee

00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.619
Roth, he was able to kind of shine through all

00:38:02.619 --> 00:38:06.000
of that stuff. Don't you think? I mean, he cut

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.840
through all of that and was able to make everybody

00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.659
look at Van Halen. um by doing his own thing

00:38:13.659 --> 00:38:16.440
you know too he was such a character and then

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.800
him along with eddie's playing you know i mean

00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:25.059
what what a duo to be working together to be

00:38:25.059 --> 00:38:28.119
able to make themselves noticed with all that

00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.079
other stuff that was going on in the music world

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.019
at the time so what they did was legendary and

00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:38.119
yeah another band that no musician does not talk

00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:44.260
about and honor and respect. And I'm, I'm favor

00:38:44.260 --> 00:38:47.519
guitar players like Randy Rhodes more than Eddie,

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:51.199
but he is just super amazing. And I also love

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.780
his amp work. His 5150 series, I think is my

00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:59.639
favorite sound I've ever heard. Right. Yeah.

00:39:00.579 --> 00:39:06.349
Okay. Jeremy. Yeah, they blew me away. They blew

00:39:06.349 --> 00:39:09.590
everybody away in the UK. We were listening to

00:39:09.590 --> 00:39:12.610
very classic rock stuff, as you know, the new

00:39:12.610 --> 00:39:15.550
wave of British heavy metal. And then I think

00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:17.570
the first album sort of passed us by a little

00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:20.670
bit. It came a bit later. But I remember listening

00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:23.789
to Fair Warning with some friends and just listening

00:39:23.789 --> 00:39:26.489
to the quality of the musicianship on that and

00:39:26.489 --> 00:39:29.250
thinking, you know, this is a totally different

00:39:29.250 --> 00:39:31.269
level to the stuff that the British bands are

00:39:31.269 --> 00:39:35.489
playing, really. I also think that Van Halen,

00:39:35.489 --> 00:39:37.570
the reason why they're voted in here is that

00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:40.710
I remember somebody saying to me once, you can

00:39:40.710 --> 00:39:43.550
almost dance to every Van Halen track. They're

00:39:43.550 --> 00:39:46.250
a very danceable band. And the reason is because

00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:49.250
they've got this very boppy sound to them. You

00:39:49.250 --> 00:39:51.650
know, it's that bass line by Michael Anthony.

00:39:51.710 --> 00:39:55.230
It's really sort of happy, sort of boppy stuff.

00:39:56.529 --> 00:39:59.289
So they really got the commercial aspect of it

00:39:59.289 --> 00:40:00.789
as well. You know, there's a lot of metal bands

00:40:00.789 --> 00:40:02.849
out there that don't get that, and they did.

00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:05.590
And then, you know, they brought out, you know,

00:40:05.590 --> 00:40:08.070
a series of hits later on. But you're right about

00:40:08.070 --> 00:40:10.210
Dave Lee Roth. I mean, he was probably the ultimate

00:40:10.210 --> 00:40:14.269
frontman, really, you know, at that time. And

00:40:14.269 --> 00:40:16.469
they were very influential in terms of, obviously,

00:40:16.550 --> 00:40:18.690
guitaring. As we know, you know, Eddie Van Halen.

00:40:19.099 --> 00:40:21.219
don't really need to, to go on about that because

00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.739
we know what an amazing guitarist he was and

00:40:23.739 --> 00:40:26.980
how he influenced so many people. So, um, yeah,

00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:28.619
they didn't always get it right. They didn't

00:40:28.619 --> 00:40:30.639
always produce, you know, the greatest albums,

00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.380
but they were, they were extremely influential.

00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:35.579
And I think even today you look, you listen back

00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.820
to some of that stuff and just think it was mind

00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:43.380
blowing for the time really. Yep. Agreed. All

00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:48.239
right. So, uh, let's move on to number seven.

00:40:51.599 --> 00:41:01.300
This band, always a topic of discussion of where

00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:05.079
they're actually from. Some people claim them

00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.820
as their own. Others people claim them as their

00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:12.179
own as well. But at the end, they finish conquering

00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:19.559
the entire world. ACDC. Never heard of them.

00:41:23.030 --> 00:41:25.730
Ed, since you've hardly ever heard of them and

00:41:25.730 --> 00:41:28.869
you've barely talked about them on the show,

00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:36.110
you lead the ACDC talk. Gosh, where do I start

00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:42.690
with that? I put them number six on my list.

00:41:42.809 --> 00:41:48.880
A lot of my choices will be in order of. you

00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.340
know, when they came out, who preceded who sometimes,

00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.920
you know, you got to honor and respect those

00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.699
who came before you. So they were in the middle

00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:03.980
of my list right after, you know, like a kiss

00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:09.659
for me, as far as influence on everything that

00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:16.960
came after that. And again, that's a band where

00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.139
the characters, in the band were just as, uh,

00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:29.019
you know, interesting as the music. Um, so there

00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:32.340
was, you know, Bon Scott and Angus Young, especially

00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:37.579
just two of the most amazing, uh, front men and

00:42:37.579 --> 00:42:41.340
musicians for the rock and roll genre of all

00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:45.980
time. Uh, gosh, so sad too, that Bon hasn't been

00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:50.590
around as we grew up. He died before I even got

00:42:50.590 --> 00:42:54.409
the chance to start listening to ACDC and collecting

00:42:54.409 --> 00:43:00.250
their music. They were the band that excited

00:43:00.250 --> 00:43:05.409
me the most when I was growing up. I wanted nothing

00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:09.309
more than to be like Angus Young, to grow up

00:43:09.309 --> 00:43:12.750
and do something. He was just always so fun.

00:43:14.090 --> 00:43:18.989
I loved rock and roll, but He made me love it

00:43:18.989 --> 00:43:22.409
even more. I mean, he makes you feel it. Right.

00:43:23.889 --> 00:43:27.929
I struggle for the words to say how important

00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:32.789
I think they are. But I really don't need to

00:43:32.789 --> 00:43:36.489
because I know everybody gets it. And I think

00:43:36.489 --> 00:43:39.070
that, you know, even though I like Bon Scott

00:43:39.070 --> 00:43:41.650
the most and the Let There Be Rock, especially

00:43:41.650 --> 00:43:44.250
the song Let There Be Rock, I just think like

00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:47.110
one of the pinnacle moments of rock and roll.

00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.280
of all time you know back in black is like the

00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.500
most amazingly produced record i've ever heard

00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:58.599
i i don't think i can think of any record that

00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.699
sounds better than the way that record is as

00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:04.900
a matter of fact i heard from time to time on

00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:07.579
podcasts people talking about it that a lot of

00:44:07.579 --> 00:44:11.920
times uh producers in the studio will uh use

00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.159
that album as a gauge as they're trying to mix

00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.340
the sound for you know, bands that they're recording.

00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:22.219
And that makes a lot of sense. Kind of wish that

00:44:22.219 --> 00:44:24.019
Mutt Lang had been around for another couple

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:27.559
of records. It would have been interesting to

00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.099
see what he could have done with like Flick of

00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:35.500
the Switch and Fly on the Wall. But yeah, I better

00:44:35.500 --> 00:44:38.679
stop or I'll take up too much time. Because I

00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.139
really love this band. If Mutt Lang would have

00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:46.780
still been around. Because he did Back in Black.

00:44:46.820 --> 00:44:49.619
Did he do for Those About to Rock as well? He

00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:52.820
did Highway to Hell through Those About to Rock.

00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Which you can tell. Each

00:44:56.539 --> 00:44:59.739
album has his sound on it. Right. And then it

00:44:59.739 --> 00:45:02.260
showed back up in Shania Twain about 15 years

00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:08.860
later. The funny thing there is with ACDC, he

00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:13.769
didn't have that. We have to work six months

00:45:13.769 --> 00:45:20.050
on the snare sound deal. He wasn't in that dynamic

00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:23.949
yet. Yeah. So imagine if he had started working

00:45:23.949 --> 00:45:27.889
with Def Leppard already, done Pyromania, and

00:45:27.889 --> 00:45:32.530
then he goes back to ACDC. Fly on the Wall and

00:45:32.530 --> 00:45:34.730
Flick of the Switch may have never come out.

00:45:34.909 --> 00:45:39.329
Yeah. They may have gone straight to... blow

00:45:39.329 --> 00:45:44.150
up your video because I know I said I was going

00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:47.210
to shut up, but I also, I have to bring up to

00:45:47.210 --> 00:45:49.869
the rhythm section, you know, Malcolm and Phil,

00:45:50.050 --> 00:45:53.050
I mean, they, they, they hold it all together.

00:45:53.050 --> 00:45:55.369
Like, you know, no other rhythm section does.

00:45:55.690 --> 00:45:58.809
And they're just back there pounding away the

00:45:58.809 --> 00:46:02.349
beat and it's just marvelous stuff. But yeah,

00:46:02.449 --> 00:46:09.869
go ahead. Johan or Jeremy. Go ahead, Johan, ACDC.

00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:17.809
Yeah, what can I say about them? That hasn't

00:46:17.809 --> 00:46:23.789
already been said, but one of the greatest bands

00:46:23.789 --> 00:46:30.539
of all time, of course. The first time I saw

00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:35.860
them was at the Blow Up Your Video tour in Gothenburg,

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:45.059
1987 perhaps. And they were with me forever since

00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:48.579
and before that. They are something special.

00:46:48.940 --> 00:46:54.500
They are a rock and roll band that are, you know,

00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:02.590
they are whatever that... whatever that's popular

00:47:02.590 --> 00:47:12.170
it doesn't nothing ACDC is always popular when

00:47:12.170 --> 00:47:16.070
they come to Sweden they can sell out the biggest

00:47:16.070 --> 00:47:20.489
arenas and I think that's similar to all over

00:47:20.489 --> 00:47:26.630
the world no matter what music style is popular

00:47:26.630 --> 00:47:36.019
at the time so um yeah and uh for me personal

00:47:36.019 --> 00:47:40.920
i like the 80s acdc i like blow up video flick

00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.019
of the switch um for those about the rock lp

00:47:45.019 --> 00:47:50.239
fly the wall those were the albums that that

00:47:50.239 --> 00:48:01.760
i grew up with and um fantastic band and everything

00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.440
has been said about them so i'm curious that

00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:11.440
curious what jeremy like what has he has to say

00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:16.099
about them yeah yeah i can i yeah i mean i can

00:48:16.099 --> 00:48:18.320
only echo a lot of what you've said i mean what

00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.639
what what i think is that acds are actually their

00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.480
own genre in their own right really um because

00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.579
they are very unique in their sound But the other

00:48:27.579 --> 00:48:29.760
thing I would say is that a lot of people seem

00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.639
to like ACDC who don't like other types of rock

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.679
bands as well. So they seem to sort of cross

00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.059
over. There'll be a lot of people who like disco

00:48:38.059 --> 00:48:43.860
and whatever, other types of music. But everybody's

00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:47.460
heard of ACDC. I mean, probably your grandmother

00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:49.719
and your great -grandmother have heard of ACDC,

00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.079
but they've never heard of any other rock band

00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.860
that's ever existed. because they are quite ubiquitous,

00:48:55.940 --> 00:48:58.820
really. And there's a reason why they're successful.

00:48:59.300 --> 00:49:02.239
And there's been some research done on this,

00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:06.619
actually. Their beat that they do on many of

00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:08.980
their records, that sort of steady beat, is the

00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:12.019
beat of the heartbeat. And so anything that's

00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:14.440
in line with your heartbeat, many people like

00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.619
as a music. It feels good. It feels good, yeah.

00:49:18.110 --> 00:49:21.090
Yeah. So there's that. And obviously there's

00:49:21.090 --> 00:49:23.289
a huge amount of tribute bands out there that

00:49:23.289 --> 00:49:25.369
are selling out because people still want to

00:49:25.369 --> 00:49:29.570
hear ACDC music everywhere. I was brought up

00:49:29.570 --> 00:49:31.550
on Whole Lotta Rosie because we played that at

00:49:31.550 --> 00:49:34.969
parties in garages when we were 13 years old

00:49:34.969 --> 00:49:37.730
or whatever. And we were headbanging in a garage

00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:41.889
on the stone floor to Whole Lotta Rosie. That

00:49:41.889 --> 00:49:45.329
was my introduction that had Highway to Hell.

00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.400
I just think, you know, you couldn't have a Hall

00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:54.539
of Fame without ACDC. You know, they kind of

00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:59.739
took, they made all the exciting rock and roll

00:49:59.739 --> 00:50:04.320
of decades past, and they brought it to us, you

00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.400
know, through their music and through their stage

00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:11.280
presence. Like we talked about Chuck Berry. Angus

00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.280
Young was Chuck Berry for our generation. They

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.360
were channeling guys like that and allowing us

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.559
to feel the excitement of what all those guys

00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:25.579
created before we were born. And they did it

00:50:25.579 --> 00:50:28.239
unlike any other band could, I think, of those

00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:32.719
years. But also another great thing, all the

00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.760
great bands have a gimmick. And obviously they

00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.280
had Angus Young with his shorts on and his cap

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:41.440
on, his school uniform. And that really is, they

00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:44.000
had everything really that went for them. They

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.539
have the music, but they also have the gimmick

00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:47.719
as well. And, you know, you're not a winner.

00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:54.599
Yeah. Absolutely. Cool. What number was that?

00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:58.119
Were they at seven? They were at seven. Yeah.

00:50:59.179 --> 00:51:05.380
Yeah, that's a fair problem. Okay. Number six.

00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.139
I wish I could use music to intro these. Bands.

00:51:11.139 --> 00:51:13.400
That was one of the things this afternoon when

00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.619
I was putting all this together. I'm like, I

00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.519
have songs in my head for each of these that

00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.539
would have been cool to be able to play a little

00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:25.019
snippet, put the picture up and then talk about.

00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.199
But unfortunately, we would get hit with, you

00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.000
know, all types of claims about copyright and

00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.179
have the videos thrown off and then the. The

00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:39.219
podcast couldn't go up on Apple Music and Spotify,

00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:44.659
especially. So anyway, in my head is the intro

00:51:44.659 --> 00:51:52.400
to their 1990, 1991 album, which brought on a

00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:59.519
new drummer, a heavier sound. It probably gave.

00:52:00.279 --> 00:52:02.619
Someone who wasn't into them a headache and,

00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.239
oh, yeah, they probably needed a painkiller of

00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:12.800
some sort. At number six. Yeah. Judas Priest.

00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:19.440
Jeremy? Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I was brought

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.800
up on Judas Priest when I was young. They were

00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.980
the greatest band at the time. remember getting

00:52:24.980 --> 00:52:27.579
british steel obviously i went straight into

00:52:27.579 --> 00:52:29.860
their very commercial period but that's what

00:52:29.860 --> 00:52:31.719
commercial periods are all about they attract

00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.059
all the fans in and everybody likes those sort

00:52:34.059 --> 00:52:38.239
of commercial songs at the time um they are extremely

00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.300
influential as we know um you know in terms of

00:52:41.300 --> 00:52:44.019
their look in terms of their they they really

00:52:44.019 --> 00:52:48.519
sort of um they sort of epitomize what a heavy

00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.780
metal band is really without it being too extreme

00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.619
Just something that, you know, you can get your

00:52:54.619 --> 00:52:57.440
teeth into and you can really feel that heaviness,

00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:02.960
those riffs, that screaming, that melody. And

00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.639
you put it all together into a metal band, what

00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.440
would you come out with? You'd probably come

00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.159
out with something that looks like Judas Priest.

00:53:10.179 --> 00:53:13.619
You know, they sort of, they talk about the devil,

00:53:13.659 --> 00:53:16.900
but they shun the devil. They, you know, they...

00:53:17.469 --> 00:53:19.889
They look a little bit scary on stage at times,

00:53:19.989 --> 00:53:22.429
but they did in the old days with the studs and

00:53:22.429 --> 00:53:26.809
the leather and the motorbikes. They just had

00:53:26.809 --> 00:53:29.190
it all, really. But the main thing is they had

00:53:29.190 --> 00:53:34.610
this lovely dual guitar attack, which was great

00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:37.070
on the early albums as well, even before they

00:53:37.070 --> 00:53:41.150
got into the really heavy stuff. And they had

00:53:41.150 --> 00:53:43.949
Rob Halford, who really reaches pitches that

00:53:43.949 --> 00:53:47.920
no other singer can do. And, you know, they have

00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.739
such a canon now of great songs. It's hard to

00:53:50.739 --> 00:53:53.780
put all of them into a set. So probably one of

00:53:53.780 --> 00:53:55.280
the greatest British bands. And they started

00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.900
well before the new wave of British heavy metal

00:53:57.900 --> 00:53:59.360
as well. We've got to remember that, you know,

00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.659
they were going in the 70s and they were cultivating

00:54:02.659 --> 00:54:06.119
their sound and modernizing it a little bit as

00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.699
they went along. And they're still going now.

00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:11.599
You know, OK, it's not the entire band, but it's

00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.070
quite a lot of them. and they're still selling

00:54:15.070 --> 00:54:18.849
out shows and playing really well. So hats off

00:54:18.849 --> 00:54:23.570
to Judas Priest. They're brilliant. Johan, Judas

00:54:23.570 --> 00:54:33.150
Priest? Well, the first record I heard was British

00:54:33.150 --> 00:54:37.050
Steel, of course. And it was an opening. And

00:54:37.050 --> 00:54:40.369
the first record I bought were Defenders of the

00:54:40.369 --> 00:54:43.289
Faith. I think that Judas Priest is one of the

00:54:43.289 --> 00:54:49.530
best metal bands of all time. To me, the journey

00:54:49.530 --> 00:54:54.670
started with Defenders. But I went back and discovered

00:54:54.670 --> 00:54:59.289
Sad Wings of Destiny and Killing Machine. And

00:54:59.289 --> 00:55:03.829
I still listen to those records to this day.

00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:08.840
And they are still a band. They are not the best

00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:19.659
live band now, but they are okay. And they can,

00:55:19.659 --> 00:55:28.340
for somehow, the old song they had, they can

00:55:28.340 --> 00:55:37.940
still, you know, produce what you say it's present

00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:42.679
them to the audience in a fashionable way so

00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:54.579
to me judas priest is i mean they are i i try

00:55:54.579 --> 00:56:00.619
to look at my apple music to what i listen to

00:56:00.619 --> 00:56:07.010
and judas priests All the areas I still love.

00:56:07.369 --> 00:56:13.070
I mean, for example, the album Turbo is, for

00:56:13.070 --> 00:56:16.489
me, an album that I hold very close to my heart

00:56:16.489 --> 00:56:21.570
because they changed the direction, but I think

00:56:21.570 --> 00:56:25.230
somehow when they changed that direction, they

00:56:25.230 --> 00:56:31.489
efforted, they tried to... make something different.

00:56:31.789 --> 00:56:38.829
And when they did that, it was good. If you know

00:56:38.829 --> 00:56:41.989
what I mean. Victor, do you understand what I

00:56:41.989 --> 00:56:47.349
mean? Yeah, yeah, I understand. So they are,

00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:56.050
you just placed this very close to my heart and

00:56:56.050 --> 00:57:02.039
they are They are very honored. They should be

00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:09.039
on this list, and I think it's good. Sorry for

00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.539
the bad English. It's been a while. I don't speak

00:57:11.539 --> 00:57:17.800
English at my normal day, so it's been a while.

00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:20.679
Sorry. We're just happy you're here, buddy. Yeah,

00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:25.260
you're doing fine. Don't worry about that. Yeah.

00:57:25.869 --> 00:57:29.070
We all understand metal, so no problem. There

00:57:29.070 --> 00:57:34.849
you go. Ed. Oh, yeah. And this was the hardest

00:57:34.849 --> 00:57:36.909
band for me to figure out where to put them.

00:57:39.349 --> 00:57:46.829
Between Kiss, ACDC, and Judas Priest. And I ended

00:57:46.829 --> 00:57:50.730
up putting Kiss and ACDC higher than Priest because

00:57:50.730 --> 00:57:54.070
it seems the whole world knows Kiss and ACDC.

00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.400
With Judas Priest, not everybody in the world

00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.860
knows them, but their influence in the metal

00:58:02.860 --> 00:58:06.420
world is probably the greatest of all. Because

00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:08.960
they weren't just influential, they were pioneering.

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:13.400
I even had a friend who passed away a long time

00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:18.219
ago, sadly. But he was one of my best music buddies,

00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:21.920
and he was the kind of guy that would spend a

00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:26.170
lot of money buying Venom. imports and just had

00:58:26.170 --> 00:58:28.989
everything that you wanted. He would make the

00:58:28.989 --> 00:58:31.329
argument that Judas Priest is when heavy metal

00:58:31.329 --> 00:58:36.409
started because of the difference in the removal

00:58:36.409 --> 00:58:39.349
of that bluesy rock sound that you heard up until

00:58:39.349 --> 00:58:44.590
then with Sabbath. I don't quite agree with that

00:58:44.590 --> 00:58:47.929
point, but I get what he's saying. Especially

00:58:47.929 --> 00:58:53.400
the imagery of Judas Priest. I can't think of

00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.519
anything that's influenced the imagery of all

00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:01.679
of metal more than Priest. So if this was like

00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.960
a list for just purely the heavy metal genre,

00:59:05.139 --> 00:59:07.900
besides Black Sabbath, Priest would be at number

00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:11.139
two for me. They're that big and influential

00:59:11.139 --> 00:59:15.659
in the heavy metal genre. And what you all had

00:59:15.659 --> 00:59:20.000
to say about their songs. And the way even the

00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.280
music has influenced all the music we've grown

00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.599
up with with other bands. I totally agree with

00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.880
every bit of that. It's true. So, Ed, I agree

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.539
with your friend. To me, Judas Priest removed

00:59:34.539 --> 00:59:39.579
the blues from Sabbath. Yeah, they did. Put gasoline

00:59:39.579 --> 00:59:45.539
on it. And start on leather. And started. And

00:59:45.539 --> 00:59:51.840
they're the. They've never shied away from the

00:59:51.840 --> 01:00:03.039
fact that they were a metal band. No. So that's

01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:07.519
why I've always considered them the first metal

01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:14.619
band. I do get that. Yeah, yeah. Edgar Winterson,

01:00:14.619 --> 01:00:18.860
thank you for joining us. He's saying, you're

01:00:18.860 --> 01:00:21.719
wrong. Outside of the U .S., Priest is way bigger

01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:29.500
than Kiss. That is true. But I think on a total

01:00:29.500 --> 01:00:33.019
global scale, people around the world would know

01:00:33.019 --> 01:00:36.679
the name Kiss more than Judas Priest. Yeah. If

01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.079
you expand that outside of the U .K. or Europe

01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:48.239
and stuff. We'll touch upon this. Yeah, that'd

01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.079
be a good discussion one day, wouldn't it? Yeah.

01:00:52.500 --> 01:00:58.380
We'll touch upon that whole thing. How about

01:00:58.380 --> 01:01:10.099
at... Number five. Ah, there they are. Shock

01:01:10.099 --> 01:01:17.840
me. There you go. Priest, yes. Okay, so this

01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:23.179
was a discussion that I had yesterday, guesting

01:01:23.179 --> 01:01:28.440
on another show. Kiss really didn't break it

01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:33.260
huge in Europe until the reunion tour. People

01:01:33.260 --> 01:01:39.340
knew who they were. The music... Say that again?

01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.900
Until the... 2006 reunion tour, KISS did not

01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:51.900
move big numbers in all of Europe. They did in

01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:55.659
Japan, just not Europe, right? Yeah. Just Europe.

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:59.900
KISS has always been huge. U .S., Australia,

01:02:00.380 --> 01:02:07.900
Japan, and South America. Always. They've had

01:02:07.900 --> 01:02:11.980
issues in Africa and in Europe. they had issues

01:02:11.980 --> 01:02:16.639
breaking through and Jeremy, correct me if I'm

01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:20.760
wrong. There's still a good percentage of the

01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.340
public that does not like KISS because they can't

01:02:24.340 --> 01:02:29.119
look beyond the image and consider them on their

01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.400
music alone. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right.

01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:39.900
Yeah. So the, the, the snobbish music critic,

01:02:41.219 --> 01:02:44.880
Oh, they, you know, the Stones are more this

01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.519
and that, yet the Stones have jumped on every

01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:55.260
bandwagon as well over the years. There's, I

01:02:55.260 --> 01:02:56.940
don't know how many bands that I could get into,

01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:01.019
but we're talking about Kiss now. Kiss is my

01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:03.320
favorite band of all time. It was the first thing

01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.360
that I listened to and saw when I was four years

01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:16.500
old. The band that has touched on more bands

01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:23.500
from the 70s onwards, and you can criticize whether

01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:27.440
in the 80s they did this, they did that, blah,

01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:31.960
blah, blah. Bottom line, you talk to a lot of

01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.219
hard rock or metal players or even people out

01:03:35.219 --> 01:03:41.159
of the genre, and they'll tell you that. Kiss

01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:45.820
is what made them pick up instruments. Kiss is

01:03:45.820 --> 01:03:50.940
the first band to revolutionize the live experience.

01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:54.780
And I don't care how many people have said to

01:03:54.780 --> 01:03:56.760
me over the years, no, but the Grateful Dead

01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:02.880
did this. And who did that? Pyrotechnics, a sound

01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:07.099
system, lighting rigs. None of these bands had

01:04:07.099 --> 01:04:09.119
all of that. And that's without getting into

01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.800
the merchandising aspect. And for as many bands

01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.119
have shit on them over the years for what they

01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.860
do with merch, how many of those same bands has

01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:23.139
followed them? So to me, Kiss should be on here.

01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:28.800
You can debate whether they should be higher

01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:35.159
or lower. Bottom line is their importance is

01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:46.960
universal in music. And Edgar is posting a bunch

01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:53.360
of emojis in the chat. There you go. Anyway,

01:04:53.739 --> 01:04:58.300
Ed, kiss. I think that's the right spot for them.

01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:01.159
Was that five or six? It's five. It's five. Yeah,

01:05:01.219 --> 01:05:04.760
that's the perfect spot for kids. I'm curious,

01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:11.719
though, Johan and Jeremy. So how old are you

01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.000
two? You're about my age, right? I'm nearly 58,

01:05:16.139 --> 01:05:20.280
so I'm a bit older than you. I'm 52. Okay, so

01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.380
you're my age. So when you were, like, seven

01:05:23.380 --> 01:05:27.420
years old, was... kiss on tv uh were you hearing

01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:30.440
about kiss from friends or seeing any of their

01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.519
records or any of this merchandise or was it

01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.219
just you never saw or heard about them not at

01:05:37.219 --> 01:05:40.519
that age no it was much later for me because

01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:42.739
you know like i understand why some people think

01:05:42.739 --> 01:05:45.840
they're silly and gimmicky but still man you

01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.440
got to understand when you're a seven -year -old

01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.739
kid in the 70s and you're all into comic books

01:05:51.739 --> 01:05:54.730
and Six Million Dollar Man and Bigfoot fighting

01:05:54.730 --> 01:05:58.550
and, you know, all the sci fi stuff that was

01:05:58.550 --> 01:06:03.750
out there that we were watching on TV. You know,

01:06:03.750 --> 01:06:08.690
to see something like Kiss, they were like superheroes,

01:06:08.929 --> 01:06:12.849
you know, with fun makeup on their faces. And

01:06:12.849 --> 01:06:15.469
and then you add to that, you know, Gene Simmons

01:06:15.469 --> 01:06:19.409
spitting blood and fire. I mean, you know, unless

01:06:19.409 --> 01:06:23.800
you're. of it for some reason. How can you not

01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.679
like that? As a kid, that's just mind -blowing

01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:32.460
stuff. It's so cool. I argue that their music

01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:35.000
is great, too. I listen to their records for

01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.519
their songs just as much today as I love the

01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:42.900
imagery and all the artwork. I get why some people

01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:44.920
think they're silly and don't like them and make

01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:54.210
fun of them. I don't know. I get a little bit

01:06:54.210 --> 01:06:57.489
offended by people who can't understand why someone

01:06:57.489 --> 01:07:02.369
like me at that age would realize or just realize

01:07:02.369 --> 01:07:07.989
the greatness of what they were doing or why

01:07:07.989 --> 01:07:12.050
that was so awesome for kids back in the 70s.

01:07:12.110 --> 01:07:14.889
For me, it was going down the street to my friend's

01:07:14.889 --> 01:07:19.039
house and one of those big furniture record players

01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.260
you know that were as long as the wall in the

01:07:21.260 --> 01:07:24.320
room and his parents let him turn it up to 10

01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:29.019
he probably put on a live too and uh just uh

01:07:29.019 --> 01:07:31.099
man those are memories i'll never forget how

01:07:31.099 --> 01:07:33.739
awesome that was specifically listening to shock

01:07:33.739 --> 01:07:37.320
me and uh and then after that i was just hooked

01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:41.340
forever but uh yeah that's it's just that whole

01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:44.079
story is interesting to me about how they're

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.130
so popular in other places And I get why they're

01:07:47.130 --> 01:07:49.650
popular in Japan and places like that because

01:07:49.650 --> 01:07:53.650
of the makeup and the show. And, but yeah, it's

01:07:53.650 --> 01:07:56.289
very, and of course, like Van Halen, they're

01:07:56.289 --> 01:08:01.530
a very American band in a sense. But yeah, it's

01:08:01.530 --> 01:08:04.989
interesting that you all weren't even exposed

01:08:04.989 --> 01:08:09.030
to it much to have the chance to see how cool

01:08:09.030 --> 01:08:11.670
it was as a seven -year -old. Am I making sense?

01:08:11.789 --> 01:08:16.369
I hope I'm not just babbling. Makes sense to

01:08:16.369 --> 01:08:23.930
me. I lived it. Yeah. It's interesting. Jeremy,

01:08:24.050 --> 01:08:27.149
your thoughts on Kiss? Yeah, I mean, I got into

01:08:27.149 --> 01:08:28.869
them just a little bit later than that, really.

01:08:29.010 --> 01:08:31.770
And I think somebody who led me Kiss Alive 2

01:08:31.770 --> 01:08:34.310
and I listened to that album and, you know, I

01:08:34.310 --> 01:08:37.869
saw what... I saw, you know, the theatrics of

01:08:37.869 --> 01:08:40.989
it all. And that, for me, is why they're in here.

01:08:41.109 --> 01:08:44.510
I think if Kiss didn't have the makeup and the,

01:08:44.609 --> 01:08:48.850
you know, everything that goes with the band,

01:08:49.090 --> 01:08:51.029
you know, the merchandise and what have you,

01:08:51.090 --> 01:08:55.329
I think that just their music alone may not have

01:08:55.329 --> 01:08:57.810
just been enough. But they had everything. You

01:08:57.810 --> 01:08:59.630
know, they put it all together into a package.

01:09:00.090 --> 01:09:03.630
And so the package itself is what stands the

01:09:03.630 --> 01:09:06.699
test of time, really. um you know they did start

01:09:06.699 --> 01:09:09.420
in the 1970s they started early they played you

01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:12.399
know sort of um more stripped back type of music

01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:14.979
then as well on the early albums and that i think

01:09:14.979 --> 01:09:17.920
that's better i think you know looking back on

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:20.819
it now listening to those albums i like that

01:09:20.819 --> 01:09:24.140
stuff much better than the 80s and the 90s sort

01:09:24.140 --> 01:09:27.439
of kiss that's you know since that came out so

01:09:28.010 --> 01:09:30.149
It's not a surprise that they're in the top 10

01:09:30.149 --> 01:09:33.329
at all. And I'm not placing much weight, by the

01:09:33.329 --> 01:09:36.109
way, on whether these bands are 10, 9, 8, 7,

01:09:36.170 --> 01:09:38.489
6. These are the first 10 bands in the Hall of

01:09:38.489 --> 01:09:41.989
Fame. And these are all fantastic bands. And

01:09:41.989 --> 01:09:43.890
they're in there for a reason. They were the

01:09:43.890 --> 01:09:46.630
very first band to really do this kind of thing,

01:09:46.710 --> 01:09:50.430
to do the theatrics, to do the fire on stage

01:09:50.430 --> 01:09:54.829
and the wearing all that looking amazing. And

01:09:54.829 --> 01:09:58.140
they sold rock and roll. And that's what rock

01:09:58.140 --> 01:10:00.319
and roll needed. It needed people to sell it.

01:10:01.180 --> 01:10:03.500
That's another great point. You know, if this

01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:06.300
came out today, it'd just be another band doing

01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:08.560
something that everybody's done before. Back

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.340
then, it wasn't. I mean, you had things leading

01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:13.399
up to it they borrowed from, like Alice Cooper.

01:10:14.020 --> 01:10:17.000
But, yeah, I mean, that was the first time us

01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:20.340
kids were seeing something that incredible. So

01:10:20.340 --> 01:10:22.720
it was mind -blowing back then. Absolutely mind

01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:26.300
-blowing. Yeah. Yeah. And that kind of gave rise

01:10:26.300 --> 01:10:28.420
to a band that won the Eurovision Song Contest.

01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:30.260
I mean, you wouldn't have had a Lordi without

01:10:30.260 --> 01:10:38.720
a Kiss. Right. Absolutely. True. Johan, I think

01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.539
you've got to, even if you think they're silly,

01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.300
you've got to respect them or I have a hard time

01:10:43.300 --> 01:10:51.680
respecting you. Johan, Kiss in Sweden. Huge.

01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:57.340
Always were. They were here in 1976 in Stockholm,

01:10:57.699 --> 01:11:04.279
played at our biggest amusement park. So ever

01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:08.239
since that, they were a big item here. Still

01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:17.640
are. They played their final show here in Dahlhalla,

01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:23.310
it's called. It's like a big mining. It's a natural

01:11:23.310 --> 01:11:29.229
concert area, a big pit, a couple of hundreds

01:11:29.229 --> 01:11:33.750
deep, very good for concerts. And Kiss used to

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:41.350
be the last show there. So Kiss were and is huge

01:11:41.350 --> 01:11:48.189
here in Sweden. Kiss is a big reason that...

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:55.579
Sweden Rock exists and other Swedish metal festivals

01:11:55.579 --> 01:12:02.220
and so on. So Sweden may be a small country,

01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:11.340
but the impact of Kiss were, and I'm not exaggerating,

01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:15.439
they were huge here and they still are. Even

01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.239
though perhaps people laugh at Gene Simmons.

01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.779
what he says nowadays and so but they're huge

01:12:23.779 --> 01:12:30.880
so uh and for the personal matter uh creatures

01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.960
of the night lick it up and animalize an asylum

01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:39.840
is my absolute favorite albums by kiss i had

01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:44.720
to say i had to say that yeah but it's good stuff

01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:47.880
it all is yeah So you're saying that they were

01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:53.119
popular where you lived? Yeah. Johan, even when

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.420
you were a kid? Absolutely. Or was it like after

01:12:56.420 --> 01:12:59.960
in the 80s later on? No, no, huge. Like Edgar

01:12:59.960 --> 01:13:02.899
Winterson said that it wasn't until Crazy Nights

01:13:02.899 --> 01:13:06.920
that they became massive where he lives. No,

01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:15.739
no, no. Long before, long before. Yeah. So you

01:13:15.739 --> 01:13:19.239
were exposed to it more than Jeremy was. I don't

01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:21.680
know, perhaps. As a girl, not probably. Yeah.

01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:27.260
Sweden and UK are similar, but different. Anyway,

01:13:29.939 --> 01:13:32.100
I'm sorry. I'm taking up too much time. No, no.

01:13:32.460 --> 01:13:37.100
Just go on. It's all interesting, though. Crazy

01:13:37.100 --> 01:13:41.680
Nights was a big hit in the song. They even played

01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:43.340
that all the way up until the end when they were

01:13:43.340 --> 01:13:46.010
in the UK. Because it charted, I think it was

01:13:46.010 --> 01:13:50.909
like number three in the UK. Of course, it was

01:13:50.909 --> 01:13:53.550
the Bon Jovi wannabe album, which is the one

01:13:53.550 --> 01:13:58.590
that charted high there. They ended up second

01:13:58.590 --> 01:14:01.789
band on the bill at Monsters of Rock that year

01:14:01.789 --> 01:14:05.470
as well. Where, you know, just to stir shit up,

01:14:05.510 --> 01:14:08.789
Gene and Paul said, well, why are we going on

01:14:08.789 --> 01:14:11.250
before Iron Maiden when Iron Maiden used to open

01:14:11.250 --> 01:14:15.560
up for us? and stuff like that, but that's the

01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:26.199
showman in them. All right. So moving on. Number

01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:31.079
four. Would help if I had the right screen open

01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:42.399
here. Here we go. Number four. The New Yardbirds,

01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:52.739
also known as Led Zeppelin. This is so interesting

01:14:52.739 --> 01:14:59.659
because there's very few points or votes, I should

01:14:59.659 --> 01:15:04.140
say, separating Judas Priest, Kiss, and Led Zeppelin.

01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.859
And there's very few separating them from the

01:15:07.859 --> 01:15:11.970
first three bands. And I think what Jeremy said

01:15:11.970 --> 01:15:15.329
before is very important that regardless of how

01:15:15.329 --> 01:15:18.850
much or who got the most votes in the end, what's

01:15:18.850 --> 01:15:22.149
important is that the initial class are these

01:15:22.149 --> 01:15:29.930
10 that are going in. Zeppelin to me was huge.

01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:34.310
I mean, my brother brought home Led Zeppelin

01:15:34.310 --> 01:15:38.210
4 and then physical graffiti. And it was like,

01:15:38.289 --> 01:15:46.399
what's this? Up until then, it was Kiss, my folks'

01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:53.399
records. I don't know if we had Back in Black

01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:57.300
yet or if we had The Wall or Scream Dream by

01:15:57.300 --> 01:16:01.560
Ted Nugent or stuff like that yet. But I remember

01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.640
listening to Zeppelin for the first time and

01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:07.760
hearing those monstrous John Bonham beats and

01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:11.569
the soaring vocals. John Paul Jones all over

01:16:11.569 --> 01:16:15.050
the place on bass and keyboards and Jimmy Page.

01:16:15.329 --> 01:16:18.890
I mean, they're a hugely influential band for

01:16:18.890 --> 01:16:25.609
me personally. I absolutely love them. It's a

01:16:25.609 --> 01:16:31.590
shame that they've never done more where this

01:16:31.590 --> 01:16:34.710
is a case where I get it. The mystique is there

01:16:34.710 --> 01:16:37.970
to an extent because of it. But at the same time

01:16:37.970 --> 01:16:43.890
with. Jason being around, Jason Bonham, it's

01:16:43.890 --> 01:16:46.550
a shame that they didn't try to do more stuff

01:16:46.550 --> 01:16:50.489
with him. I know that Plant and Page did get

01:16:50.489 --> 01:16:52.850
back together again, and I was listening to Walking

01:16:52.850 --> 01:16:55.930
into Clarksville a few months back, and it's

01:16:55.930 --> 01:16:58.729
an okay album, but it's missing the other ingredients.

01:16:59.829 --> 01:17:04.109
It's missing John Paul Jones is huge in that

01:17:04.109 --> 01:17:07.289
band. I think those four guys were just huge.

01:17:11.909 --> 01:17:21.810
Johan Led Zeppelin I'm happy to say nothing okay

01:17:21.810 --> 01:17:28.189
yeah perhaps I'm one of the hard rocking lovers

01:17:28.189 --> 01:17:32.390
in the world that I don't have an opinion about

01:17:32.390 --> 01:17:38.930
this band I don't think they are metal or hard

01:17:38.930 --> 01:17:43.350
rock I can't compare them to Deep Purple or Sabbath

01:17:43.350 --> 01:17:47.789
because they are they are something else and

01:17:47.789 --> 01:17:53.750
they don't appeal to me never had so I'm not

01:17:53.750 --> 01:17:59.770
the right person to ask about them so I'm so

01:17:59.770 --> 01:18:09.250
sorry they have some decent songs but I I think

01:18:09.250 --> 01:18:14.470
they are extremely overrated. I know. That hurts

01:18:14.470 --> 01:18:17.970
a little bit there. Yeah, that was a dig. What

01:18:17.970 --> 01:18:20.890
did you say? I said that hurt a little bit. Yeah,

01:18:20.890 --> 01:18:25.869
I'm really looking forward to hear you guys.

01:18:27.729 --> 01:18:30.609
I'm probably alone in this world to think this,

01:18:30.630 --> 01:18:36.869
but yeah, you heard my opinion. So go ahead,

01:18:36.970 --> 01:18:42.329
guys. As Johan is saying that, this goes off

01:18:42.329 --> 01:18:47.810
around the world. The needle goes across the

01:18:47.810 --> 01:18:54.250
vinyl album there. Jeremy, since they're a UK

01:18:54.250 --> 01:18:57.800
band, take it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, when I was a

01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.520
young kid, and this is very young, you know,

01:19:00.539 --> 01:19:02.960
Ed just mentioned seven years old, Kiss. I mean,

01:19:02.979 --> 01:19:05.199
I was seven years old, eight years old. I was

01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.119
staying at my gran's house and my auntie had

01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:10.600
a copy of Physical Graffiti. And it was sitting

01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:13.199
there, you know, in the room where I was staying

01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.340
overnight. And there was a little record player.

01:19:15.460 --> 01:19:18.260
So I picked up this album and I put it on and

01:19:18.260 --> 01:19:21.560
it blew my mind. I could not believe what I was

01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:24.859
listening to. In My Time of Dying was one of

01:19:24.859 --> 01:19:26.979
my favourite songs on it, actually, not Kashmir

01:19:26.979 --> 01:19:30.380
or Custard Pie, which I like those as well, but

01:19:30.380 --> 01:19:33.000
I just couldn't believe the drumming on it, you

01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.079
know, and I'm not a drumming man, really, but

01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:40.659
incredible songs and such a varied selection

01:19:40.659 --> 01:19:43.359
of songs, you know, they can play folk music

01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:48.649
on an album and heavy metal. It's quite extraordinary,

01:19:48.909 --> 01:19:52.029
really, what they could do on an entire album.

01:19:52.390 --> 01:19:54.250
They didn't always get it right. You know, there

01:19:54.250 --> 01:19:56.409
were certain albums later on in the career where

01:19:56.409 --> 01:19:58.590
there was, you know, a little bit of hodgepodge

01:19:58.590 --> 01:20:01.590
going on. But generally speaking, they really

01:20:01.590 --> 01:20:03.729
pushed the boundaries. And that's what I liked

01:20:03.729 --> 01:20:06.289
about them. They're very, very creative. Very,

01:20:06.310 --> 01:20:08.810
very creative. And they influenced so many people

01:20:08.810 --> 01:20:13.619
over the years. And they did it first. And you

01:20:13.619 --> 01:20:16.119
couldn't have, I don't think you could have a

01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.180
Hall of Fame without Led Zeppelin as an original

01:20:18.180 --> 01:20:21.039
member. It just wouldn't be possible. You know,

01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:23.960
it's almost like we listen. I don't think any

01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.739
of you now listen to Led Zeppelin 4 at the moment

01:20:26.739 --> 01:20:29.479
because you've heard it so many times. But if

01:20:29.479 --> 01:20:32.500
you put it on tomorrow, you'd still marvel at

01:20:32.500 --> 01:20:36.739
how good it is. And that's Led Zeppelin in a

01:20:36.739 --> 01:20:40.800
nutshell, really. Yeah, Zeppelin for me is a

01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:45.119
band that U .S. radio has destroyed them for

01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:50.500
me. That is one problem. Yeah, because we're

01:20:50.500 --> 01:20:54.680
talking about songs that make it on the radio

01:20:54.680 --> 01:21:00.619
from bands. I would say that there's maybe three

01:21:00.619 --> 01:21:04.199
or four songs from their entire catalog that

01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:08.060
do not get played on U .S. radio. Every single

01:21:08.060 --> 01:21:14.399
day. Three or four that do not. So they're playing

01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:17.880
almost everything. I have a question, Victor.

01:21:18.380 --> 01:21:23.140
Yes. How is that possible? Because in my ears,

01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:31.399
Led Zeppelin is not like a mainstream band. Or

01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.819
is it? In your ears? In the U .S., very mainstream.

01:21:37.609 --> 01:21:41.430
How is that possible? Stairway to Heaven. Yes,

01:21:42.449 --> 01:21:46.470
that song. But, I mean, all the others. Over

01:21:46.470 --> 01:21:51.789
the Hills and Far Away. All of My Love. Kashmir.

01:21:52.170 --> 01:22:01.630
Ten Years Gone. Gallows Pole. The Ocean. Living,

01:22:01.710 --> 01:22:06.550
Loving. What the hell is the name of that song?

01:22:06.590 --> 01:22:14.850
I wonder, how can a country that loves Led Zeppelin

01:22:14.850 --> 01:22:22.329
in the 70s love Motley Crue? I mean, just a couple

01:22:22.329 --> 01:22:26.970
of years after that. Easy, because Robert Plant

01:22:26.970 --> 01:22:30.529
was a huge influence on Vince Neil. All the screams

01:22:30.529 --> 01:22:34.529
and moves and stuff like that. Vince Neil was

01:22:34.529 --> 01:22:37.390
a mix of David Lee Roth and Robert Plant. Yes,

01:22:37.470 --> 01:22:47.810
but not the music. I understand, but the music.

01:22:47.829 --> 01:22:53.859
Can you hear the music in Motley Crue? From Led

01:22:53.859 --> 01:23:00.539
Zeppelin? Yes. Yeah, in the drumming, you can

01:23:00.539 --> 01:23:03.380
hear it. John Bonham is a huge influence on Tommy

01:23:03.380 --> 01:23:07.600
Lee. The way that Tommy Lee plays behind the

01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.619
beat, the way that he mixes a lot of, I was listening

01:23:10.619 --> 01:23:15.060
to Motley Crue today, Primal Scream. Primal Scream

01:23:15.060 --> 01:23:18.800
has always reminded me of Led Zeppelin. There's

01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:22.170
several different parts of that song. Coming

01:23:22.170 --> 01:23:26.350
out of the chorus, what they're playing, that's

01:23:26.350 --> 01:23:34.590
Led Zeppelin 100%. Then the way that Tommy's

01:23:34.590 --> 01:23:37.729
playing throughout the song, he's playing cowbell,

01:23:37.949 --> 01:23:41.569
hi -hat, and ride cymbal at the same time. They're

01:23:41.569 --> 01:23:43.930
mixed in over one another. That's something that

01:23:43.930 --> 01:23:47.130
John Bonham would do all the time, where he would

01:23:47.130 --> 01:23:52.239
add different percussive elements in there. Tommy's

01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:56.579
playing a superly big bass drum because of John

01:23:56.579 --> 01:24:01.319
Bonham. And just the syncopated way that he plays

01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:08.520
is very similar. I picked up a lot of their playing.

01:24:08.579 --> 01:24:12.619
I would say me as a drummer, with Kiss being

01:24:12.619 --> 01:24:15.880
my favorite band, I probably play a lot more

01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.380
closer to being a mix of... John Bonham, Tommy

01:24:19.380 --> 01:24:24.840
Lee, and Bill Ward as a drummer than, say, Peter

01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.739
Criss or Eric Carr, people like that. I can play

01:24:27.739 --> 01:24:31.619
that stuff, but I gravitated more to the groove

01:24:31.619 --> 01:24:35.619
and stuff like that that they did. And you have

01:24:35.619 --> 01:24:37.579
a band like Rage Against the Machine. Rage Against

01:24:37.579 --> 01:24:42.500
the Machine is 100 % influenced by Led Zeppelin.

01:24:42.859 --> 01:24:49.060
Aerosmith, Kiss, there's... There's a lot of

01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:52.760
bands that even you wouldn't think of it, but

01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:56.539
that Zeppelin has a lot to do with what they're

01:24:56.539 --> 01:24:59.460
doing. I think without Zeppelin, you don't get

01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:02.039
Metallica doing certain things as well with the

01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:06.220
acoustic intros and stuff like that. A lot of

01:25:06.220 --> 01:25:08.000
that has to do with Randy Rhoades and Michael

01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:11.239
Shanker, but a lot of it also has to do with

01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:20.989
Led Zeppelin as well. Okay. Ed Zeppelin. Yeah,

01:25:21.090 --> 01:25:23.850
I had a hard time knowing whether to put him

01:25:23.850 --> 01:25:28.909
on the list because I agree with Johan. I don't

01:25:28.909 --> 01:25:32.010
consider them, they can be hard rock at times,

01:25:32.069 --> 01:25:34.609
but they're not a full -on hard rock band. It's

01:25:34.609 --> 01:25:38.210
like Jeremy said, they do so many different genres

01:25:38.210 --> 01:25:44.989
very well. And I was really offended by VH1 when

01:25:44.989 --> 01:25:48.970
they did their top 100 best metal bands or whatever

01:25:48.970 --> 01:25:51.970
about 20 years ago. And of course, they had to

01:25:51.970 --> 01:25:54.310
put Led Zeppelin number one over Black Sabbath.

01:25:54.449 --> 01:25:58.670
And I just this is ridiculous if it's going to

01:25:58.670 --> 01:26:00.729
be a heavy metal. Now, if we're talking about

01:26:00.729 --> 01:26:03.909
rock, they would have probably been a little

01:26:03.909 --> 01:26:06.470
higher on my list. But I put them on my list

01:26:06.470 --> 01:26:10.989
because, yeah, I think they have a massive influence.

01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:15.920
on the music scene, even more so than Kiss and

01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:21.699
ACDC and Judas Priest. And I think that the main

01:26:21.699 --> 01:26:24.739
link to hard rock and heavy metal between Zeppelin

01:26:24.739 --> 01:26:27.380
and those bands that we've grown up with is,

01:26:27.420 --> 01:26:31.920
like Victor said, John Bonham. The way that man

01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:34.659
plays drums has just influenced everything we

01:26:34.659 --> 01:26:38.699
listen to. And then also Robert Plant. Man, his

01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:43.199
voice is just... I love him. I also love all

01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.760
the folk stuff that he does even now, solo and

01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:50.279
with Alison Krauss. One of the best shows I've

01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:52.819
seen in my life was Robert Plant and Alison Krauss.

01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:58.159
Oh, wow. You know, his voice is just sensational

01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:02.199
with all kinds of music like that. And you can

01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:05.640
hear, especially in 80s metal, so much Robert

01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:11.359
Plant and so many rock stars. And so many rock

01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.920
stars wanted to be like Robert Plant, too. And

01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:21.100
too, when we were young, we used to love, I'm

01:27:21.100 --> 01:27:23.859
not encouraging people to get wasted, but when

01:27:23.859 --> 01:27:25.840
you get wasted, one of the best movies in the

01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.000
world to watch is The Song Remains the Same.

01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:31.859
Oh, wow. I mean, that is a great drink and smoke

01:27:31.859 --> 01:27:36.680
and film right there. That was one of our favorite

01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:40.869
activities. So, Johan, at least do that. Get

01:27:40.869 --> 01:27:43.090
wasted one night, watch the song remains the

01:27:43.090 --> 01:27:44.989
same, and then you're going to come back telling

01:27:44.989 --> 01:27:48.609
us about the beauty of Led Zeppelin. We can't

01:27:48.609 --> 01:27:53.850
wait to hear it. I can do all that besides smoke.

01:27:54.529 --> 01:27:58.449
Yeah, you know, because in Sweden it's not legal.

01:27:59.869 --> 01:28:02.770
A little fun fact about Led Zeppelin, by the

01:28:02.770 --> 01:28:04.510
way. You know, top of the pops we have here in

01:28:04.510 --> 01:28:07.899
the UK, the theme music is Whole Lot Love. Oh,

01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:16.260
wow. Didn't know that. There you go. All right.

01:28:16.420 --> 01:28:19.260
It's also the feel of their music that is so

01:28:19.260 --> 01:28:22.399
much of everything. But anyway, continue on.

01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:29.159
Yeah. All right. So we agree for the most part

01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:37.390
that these bands should be in there. Now. I think

01:28:37.390 --> 01:28:41.609
people are going to be where the cussing and

01:28:41.609 --> 01:28:45.949
cursing is going to come are these top three.

01:28:52.430 --> 01:29:07.529
Number three. Slayer. Slayer. Iron Maiden, number

01:29:07.529 --> 01:29:13.649
three. Not to be there. With every countdown

01:29:13.649 --> 01:29:18.090
that we've done, Maiden has always come out on

01:29:18.090 --> 01:29:22.069
top. This is the first time that I can remember.

01:29:22.149 --> 01:29:24.890
Well, no, I take that back. Whatever year Seven

01:29:24.890 --> 01:29:31.770
Sun came out, it was 88. That was, I think, third

01:29:31.770 --> 01:29:39.380
or fourth. I was truly expecting Maiden to be

01:29:39.380 --> 01:29:43.500
number the most voted for. And it was a tie with

01:29:43.500 --> 01:29:46.600
the top three, as I said, leading up to today

01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:50.399
when I tallied the last few votes in and they

01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:57.119
ended up at three. If you follow this show, you

01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:01.579
know that for me, it's Kiss is 1A and Maiden

01:30:01.579 --> 01:30:07.939
is 1B. I love both bands. Just a huge influence,

01:30:08.180 --> 01:30:10.760
a band that I've listened to so much over the

01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:14.399
years, a band that a lot of people that follow

01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:21.220
my show absolutely love as well. I mean, I don't

01:30:21.220 --> 01:30:24.300
know what else to say. Outside of they've been

01:30:24.300 --> 01:30:27.100
a huge part of the soundtrack of my life, and

01:30:27.100 --> 01:30:30.420
they deserve to be one of the first 10 bands

01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:36.170
to go into the Hall of Fame here. Jeremy, your

01:30:36.170 --> 01:30:39.270
thoughts? Well, I'm not sure I can say very much

01:30:39.270 --> 01:30:42.010
more about Maiden that hasn't been said in the

01:30:42.010 --> 01:30:45.329
past. Obviously hugely influential on the, you

01:30:45.329 --> 01:30:47.470
know, they were the biggest band that came out

01:30:47.470 --> 01:30:51.600
of the new wave of British heavy metal. They

01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.899
designed their own sort of sound that had the

01:30:53.899 --> 01:30:56.119
sort of plinkety -plonkety bass line. I call

01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.779
them plinkety -plonkety metal. So they're almost

01:30:58.779 --> 01:31:03.119
slightly proggy, aren't they? And they have sort

01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:05.140
of done some sort of proggy metal later in their

01:31:05.140 --> 01:31:08.539
career. They did have a lot of commercial success

01:31:08.539 --> 01:31:10.880
as well. You know, they came out with songs that,

01:31:10.939 --> 01:31:13.939
you know, got into top tens of singles lists

01:31:13.939 --> 01:31:16.739
and all that sort of stuff. So, you know, they've

01:31:16.739 --> 01:31:20.390
got the famous songs. great band has to do as

01:31:20.390 --> 01:31:24.050
well um they have some great musicians and i

01:31:24.050 --> 01:31:26.130
think steve harris obviously is the man driving

01:31:26.130 --> 01:31:29.590
the force uh i mean he is iron maiden he is the

01:31:29.590 --> 01:31:32.250
uh one of the greatest bass players i think in

01:31:32.250 --> 01:31:37.189
heavy metal um and um they had the image just

01:31:37.189 --> 01:31:39.090
like we've talked about some of these other bands

01:31:39.090 --> 01:31:41.390
had a great image they've they had an image from

01:31:41.390 --> 01:31:43.590
the start they realized that you need that to

01:31:43.590 --> 01:31:45.890
push the bands push the bands along and sort

01:31:45.890 --> 01:31:48.600
of get an audience And they've survived to this

01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:52.119
very day as still probably the biggest British

01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:54.840
metal band that's going now. I can't think of

01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.840
one that's bigger. So, yeah, they deserve to

01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:02.579
be in here. Absolutely. Again, everyone's probably

01:32:02.579 --> 01:32:05.460
heard of them, just like ACDC and Metallica.

01:32:05.579 --> 01:32:09.199
You know, they're all big names that any even

01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:11.659
non -metal fan will have heard of and probably

01:32:11.659 --> 01:32:14.300
likes and would want to go and see live. Great

01:32:14.300 --> 01:32:19.409
shows live. And the fact that they toured 200,

01:32:20.090 --> 01:32:24.489
300 days a year every year through their early

01:32:24.489 --> 01:32:28.130
years is probably one of the reasons why we're

01:32:28.130 --> 01:32:34.510
talking about them today. Excellent. Ed, Maiden?

01:32:35.250 --> 01:32:38.689
I didn't expect to be talking about them until

01:32:38.689 --> 01:32:44.500
our next list. They definitely have to be in

01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:47.199
there at some point. I just put bands that came

01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:52.779
before them on my list. But now, yeah, of course,

01:32:52.779 --> 01:32:55.880
though, their influence on heavy metal is...

01:32:55.880 --> 01:33:01.460
I mean, it would be hard to describe just how

01:33:01.460 --> 01:33:07.199
deep their influence on everything goes. So,

01:33:07.220 --> 01:33:09.640
yeah, they deserve to be on... That was number

01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:14.250
four? Three, three. Wow. Yeah, that's interesting.

01:33:14.470 --> 01:33:17.430
I didn't expect that to pop up that high just

01:33:17.430 --> 01:33:20.909
yet, but great choice. I can't argue with that.

01:33:21.130 --> 01:33:26.170
They have to be in there at some point. Especially

01:33:26.170 --> 01:33:32.970
with Eddie. Yeah, well, that in itself has influenced

01:33:32.970 --> 01:33:36.949
how many people, how many bands, I should say.

01:33:40.430 --> 01:33:43.850
With just having the mascots, I mean, we've talked

01:33:43.850 --> 01:33:45.930
about it in the past. We've talked about Murray.

01:33:46.109 --> 01:33:50.609
We've talked about the the the the wine team

01:33:50.609 --> 01:33:55.590
mascot, if I'm not mistaken. You could say that

01:33:55.590 --> 01:33:58.810
Quiet Riot, to an extent, with the mask also

01:33:58.810 --> 01:34:05.149
did something similar. So, yeah, it's a huge.

01:34:07.369 --> 01:34:12.319
Johan Maiden. Maiden is probably the biggest

01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:19.319
metal band here in Sweden over time. So everything

01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:22.460
has been said about them, the music and everything

01:34:22.460 --> 01:34:27.140
else. But when Maiden comes to Sweden, it's special.

01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:33.680
Nowadays, they play outdoors. They play the big

01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:39.960
arenas. But I think that... They started out

01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:47.319
in the small handball, if you know that sport,

01:34:47.659 --> 01:34:54.880
arenas, yeah, in 1980. And they worked their

01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:59.899
way up to the big ice halls, and there they stayed

01:34:59.899 --> 01:35:02.979
for a couple of years. But now when they come,

01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:09.090
they are... playing the biggest uh always so

01:35:09.090 --> 01:35:21.090
in sweden iron maiden is they are it's when maiden

01:35:21.090 --> 01:35:29.810
comes if you remember you go that's uh so uh

01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:36.300
I think that everything else has been said about

01:35:36.300 --> 01:35:45.460
this band, so we go on. Okay. Two bands to go.

01:35:53.579 --> 01:36:00.180
Let me get my screen ready here. Number two.

01:36:07.819 --> 01:36:16.319
Black Sabbath. Again, the band that probably

01:36:16.319 --> 01:36:26.100
influenced more bands in this subgenre or this

01:36:26.100 --> 01:36:30.239
genre of rock or however you want to say hard

01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:34.609
rock, metal. Doom Metal, Stoner Rock, Stoner

01:36:34.609 --> 01:36:39.329
Metal. On and on, you can add different adjectives,

01:36:39.329 --> 01:36:46.729
but Sabbath is a huge influence. Even throughout

01:36:46.729 --> 01:36:49.050
the lineups, we talked about Deep Purple before.

01:36:52.250 --> 01:36:57.510
I mean, I displayed the original four there.

01:36:57.729 --> 01:37:03.270
Ozzy, Tony, Geezer, and Bill. You could talk

01:37:03.270 --> 01:37:05.569
about Dio being in the lineup. You could talk

01:37:05.569 --> 01:37:08.649
about Ian Gillen being in the lineup. And even

01:37:08.649 --> 01:37:11.229
with the recent reissues with Tony Martin, although

01:37:11.229 --> 01:37:17.689
I know that there's a certain pocket of the Sabbath

01:37:17.689 --> 01:37:23.829
crowd and a lot of the more popular fans don't

01:37:23.829 --> 01:37:27.550
like the Tony Martin stuff, I love that as well.

01:37:28.240 --> 01:37:30.859
It makes all the sense in the world that Sabbath

01:37:30.859 --> 01:37:35.300
is one of the first 10 bands to make it in here,

01:37:35.380 --> 01:37:40.039
in my opinion. I wouldn't expect it any way else.

01:37:40.100 --> 01:37:42.239
There are other bands that I was like, similar

01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:45.039
to what you said, Ed. Huh, okay. Cool that they're

01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:47.420
there. I would have thought that within the first

01:37:47.420 --> 01:37:50.500
two years they would have gone in, so I have

01:37:50.500 --> 01:37:52.819
no problem with them. But there are others that

01:37:52.819 --> 01:37:56.739
had they been excluded, I would have been kind

01:37:56.739 --> 01:37:59.060
of upset. Yeah, it would have been like, well,

01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:02.600
they need to be in there, you know? So Sabbath

01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:08.779
is a must in here, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm breaking

01:38:08.779 --> 01:38:11.279
my brain trying to think of who got more votes

01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:14.239
than Sabbath. I'm more interested now in that

01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:17.380
than to talk about Sabbath because I don't understand

01:38:17.380 --> 01:38:20.100
who could be more influential, especially after

01:38:20.100 --> 01:38:22.539
we've already chosen Deep Purple and Zeppelin.

01:38:23.260 --> 01:38:25.500
Unless people are going to give Alice Cooper

01:38:25.500 --> 01:38:29.380
that much credit, I don't. But yeah, Sabbath

01:38:29.380 --> 01:38:32.520
to me is the beginning of heavy metal. Not that

01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:34.539
there weren't heavy metal sounds before that,

01:38:34.659 --> 01:38:38.920
but they put it all together into that first

01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:43.039
heavy metal package. And throughout every record,

01:38:43.180 --> 01:38:47.659
experimented with different things within that

01:38:47.659 --> 01:38:51.520
genre that just made them more heavy metal with

01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:53.640
each record, all the way up through Sabotage,

01:38:53.640 --> 01:38:59.220
at least. Man, from the first note, or I guess

01:38:59.220 --> 01:39:02.319
the first thunder of Black Sabbath to the last

01:39:02.319 --> 01:39:06.119
note of Sabotage, it's just heavy metal perfection.

01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:12.000
And every single one of those members have influenced

01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:16.779
every band and every musician, even if they don't

01:39:16.779 --> 01:39:21.779
know it. If you're a hard rock and metal musician,

01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:24.859
you've got Black Sabbath in your blood. Yeah.

01:39:26.029 --> 01:39:33.750
Yeah, absolutely. Johan, Black Sabbath? Well,

01:39:34.109 --> 01:39:47.409
it's a great, absolutely great band. I love every

01:39:47.409 --> 01:39:55.979
record, almost, except... for the last Tory Martin

01:39:55.979 --> 01:40:00.760
record and the Ron James CEO comeback record.

01:40:01.420 --> 01:40:09.640
I love, no, but somehow I love every one of them.

01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:16.960
But Zabat is, of course, like Maiden. Everything

01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:21.260
has been said. They have done the best records.

01:40:23.369 --> 01:40:31.970
I listen to them every week. Every week. I go

01:40:31.970 --> 01:40:35.989
back and listen to early Aussie. I listen to

01:40:35.989 --> 01:40:44.529
Tony Martin stuff. I think Tony Omi is a genius

01:40:44.529 --> 01:40:50.829
in riffing. I don't know who writes the song

01:40:50.829 --> 01:40:59.369
melodies. If it's a singer, it's good because

01:40:59.369 --> 01:41:09.210
they always had great melodies for vocals. Like

01:41:09.210 --> 01:41:12.010
I said, everything has been said. I don't want

01:41:12.010 --> 01:41:16.270
to go into the specific records or anything because,

01:41:16.390 --> 01:41:20.890
yeah, you know. Yeah, we'll be here all night

01:41:20.890 --> 01:41:22.590
talking about the goodness of those records.

01:41:22.630 --> 01:41:27.090
Yeah, I know. I know, Ed. I know. Yeah. No, it's

01:41:27.090 --> 01:41:37.989
some bad, but 95 % is amazing. Have you listened

01:41:37.989 --> 01:41:40.670
to the last Tony Martin record with the new remix?

01:41:41.050 --> 01:41:47.029
Nope. Soul album? No, no, no. Forbidden, the

01:41:47.029 --> 01:41:49.350
last one that he did with Sabbath. You're saying

01:41:49.350 --> 01:41:52.369
that you don't like that album. Listen to the

01:41:52.369 --> 01:41:56.510
– they remixed it last year and they put it back

01:41:56.510 --> 01:42:04.229
out again. Forbidden. Yeah, yeah. Like I've listened

01:42:04.229 --> 01:42:13.770
to it but not with – no, I listen – not with

01:42:13.770 --> 01:42:20.619
my heart. I listened to it, but it was... I had...

01:42:20.619 --> 01:42:26.720
I thought about it before when I listened to

01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:32.779
it, and it was... So sorry, because of the bad

01:42:32.779 --> 01:42:37.579
English. No, no, that's fine. I have all thought

01:42:37.579 --> 01:42:43.920
out in Swedish, but I can't pronounce it. That's

01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:48.420
fine. That's fine. So sorry. That's my number

01:42:48.420 --> 01:42:53.220
one listen to album last year. So that's why

01:42:53.220 --> 01:42:57.659
I'm saying the remix. As much as I like the original

01:42:57.659 --> 01:42:59.920
version, I really like what they've done with

01:42:59.920 --> 01:43:03.260
some of the songs with the remix version because

01:43:03.260 --> 01:43:07.000
there are songs that I think they've brought

01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:10.520
other elements out of them to make them sound

01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:14.550
a lot better than the original. Anyway, Jeremy,

01:43:14.689 --> 01:43:17.949
go ahead. There's a reason why they're in this

01:43:17.949 --> 01:43:20.329
Hall of Fame. Obviously, they've influenced so

01:43:20.329 --> 01:43:22.590
many bands. They created their own genre, the

01:43:22.590 --> 01:43:25.989
sort of doom metal genre, which is going on today.

01:43:27.329 --> 01:43:30.949
They had one of the greatest heavy metal guitarists

01:43:30.949 --> 01:43:33.369
of all time because he had a problem with his

01:43:33.369 --> 01:43:35.649
finger and it made him do those sort of very

01:43:35.649 --> 01:43:42.020
chunky riffs. They created quite a few songs

01:43:42.020 --> 01:43:45.319
that I would put in my top 10 of all time. You

01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:47.779
know, War Pigs would definitely be in my top

01:43:47.779 --> 01:43:50.640
10 metal songs of all time. Falling Off the Edge

01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:53.279
of the World has about three different riffs

01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.210
in that song. And yeah, it's probably... one

01:43:56.210 --> 01:43:58.409
of the greatest metal songs of all time. And

01:43:58.409 --> 01:44:00.510
then Into the Void, another one with absolutely

01:44:00.510 --> 01:44:03.649
amazing riffs going on, not just one, but again,

01:44:03.770 --> 01:44:06.210
several. So, you know, to do that sort of stuff

01:44:06.210 --> 01:44:08.310
all in one. And the other thing I would say is

01:44:08.310 --> 01:44:10.649
that when I was growing up, you know, I was about

01:44:10.649 --> 01:44:12.989
sort of 11, 12, when I first heard Black Sabbath,

01:44:13.149 --> 01:44:16.140
I heard the debut album. And they frightened

01:44:16.140 --> 01:44:19.140
me to death. I mean, I was brought up, Ed will

01:44:19.140 --> 01:44:20.819
probably be in the same sort of situation, I

01:44:20.819 --> 01:44:22.680
was brought up in a moderately religious family.

01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:25.439
And, you know, I had to hide the album, really.

01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:28.699
I mean, the name itself, Black Sabbath, was not

01:44:28.699 --> 01:44:32.100
something you'd want to shout about. And to hear

01:44:32.100 --> 01:44:35.920
the tolling of the bell, this is something that

01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:38.579
was alien to my kind of life at the time. And

01:44:38.579 --> 01:44:40.579
yes, it was something I wanted to hear more of.

01:44:42.460 --> 01:44:44.840
think about what they were doing, why they were

01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:49.340
doing this and, you know, why I liked it. So,

01:44:49.460 --> 01:44:52.119
yeah, they were just very, very different, very

01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:54.279
different. And obviously they incorporated the

01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:56.600
blues a bit in their early stuff, but then they

01:44:56.600 --> 01:44:58.420
tossed that aside and just went into sort of

01:44:58.420 --> 01:45:00.739
more of the metal stuff. And the other thing,

01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.760
just to finally say, is that they then went on

01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.739
after having Ozzy for so long and produced two

01:45:06.739 --> 01:45:10.319
of the greatest metal albums with Dio that, you

01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:13.460
know, They were incredible, and you can't even

01:45:13.460 --> 01:45:15.460
choose between them. Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules,

01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:20.239
probably equal albums in terms of content, quality,

01:45:20.579 --> 01:45:24.460
amazing, amazing stuff, and they influenced a

01:45:24.460 --> 01:45:27.420
lot of people and still do today. You can see

01:45:27.420 --> 01:45:29.479
with this final concert they're going to do at

01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:31.779
Villa Park how many people want to turn up and

01:45:31.779 --> 01:45:39.439
play. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that

01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:44.960
all turns out. We already know that every band

01:45:44.960 --> 01:45:48.039
there is just going to be playing Sabbath. So

01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:51.779
it'll be interesting to see. Hopefully we all

01:45:51.779 --> 01:45:56.100
get to see that at one point in the future. All

01:45:56.100 --> 01:46:05.060
right. So. Number one. Still intrigued, Ed? Yeah,

01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:09.220
I can't wait. Or you think you've. I haven't

01:46:09.220 --> 01:46:12.279
figured it out. You haven't figured it out. The

01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:14.359
only thing I can think is Alice Cooper because

01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:17.560
of, you know, his imagery and the way that's

01:46:17.560 --> 01:46:19.960
affected so much of metal. But I don't think

01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:21.859
there's enough Alice Cooper fans for him to be

01:46:21.859 --> 01:46:26.420
number one. Johan, you're agreeing to what Jeremy

01:46:26.420 --> 01:46:32.460
just wrote? Sure. Celtic Frost. Or no, that's

01:46:32.460 --> 01:46:36.600
wrong. No, it's commercial. I've got Metallica.

01:46:38.050 --> 01:46:40.109
Oh, I didn't think about it. Yeah, that's probably

01:46:40.109 --> 01:46:45.130
what it is. Number one. I'm thinking early. Yeah,

01:46:45.170 --> 01:46:52.069
never mind. I get it. Okay. I'm just thinking

01:46:52.069 --> 01:46:58.569
too early. Yeah, well, what ultimately ended

01:46:58.569 --> 01:47:03.130
up happening here, because when I proposed this,

01:47:03.210 --> 01:47:05.109
a lot of people started asking, well, should

01:47:05.109 --> 01:47:09.319
I pick early bands? And I said, well, if you

01:47:09.319 --> 01:47:13.739
want to pick early band, sure. And then I said,

01:47:13.739 --> 01:47:16.699
you know what? Pick whatever 10 bands you want.

01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:20.859
Yeah. Because ultimately I want this to focus

01:47:20.859 --> 01:47:25.760
on bands that we love listening to and that,

01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:30.260
you know, have a big influence, have, I mean,

01:47:30.260 --> 01:47:34.100
out of the entire genre, Metallica is the biggest

01:47:34.100 --> 01:47:39.800
band. Yeah. Having said that, one point separates

01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:43.760
them from Sabbath, and one point separates Sabbath

01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:48.279
from Iron Maiden. They're all up there together.

01:47:48.819 --> 01:47:55.399
All 10 of these bands, to me, are hugely influential

01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:59.600
and deserve to be there. And the bands that are

01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:07.020
on the outskirts looking in, I mean, if I go

01:48:07.020 --> 01:48:12.479
out to 20, I can't really argue with any of those

01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:17.199
bands either. You know, if I go beyond that,

01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:21.680
11 was Slayer, 12 is Scorpions, 13 is Pantera,

01:48:21.979 --> 01:48:26.460
14 is Thin Lizzy, 15 is Motorhead, 16 is Alice

01:48:26.460 --> 01:48:33.449
Cooper, 17 Motley Crue. 18, Aerosmith, 19, Anthrax,

01:48:33.489 --> 01:48:38.010
20, Megadeth. All right. When we get to the 20s,

01:48:38.010 --> 01:48:40.170
it starts to become a little bit more varied

01:48:40.170 --> 01:48:46.069
because we have Alice in Chains, Dio, Korn, Guns

01:48:46.069 --> 01:48:48.729
N' Roses, Ozzy Osbourne as a solo artist, The

01:48:48.729 --> 01:48:53.430
Who, Nirvana, UFO, Queen, and at 30 is Soundgarden.

01:48:54.210 --> 01:48:59.600
I mean, to me, these are all bands. that have

01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:05.119
formed the soundtrack of my life so the top 10

01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:08.439
need to be there I mean those 10 bands need to

01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:12.880
be in there we can argue 11 through 30 if any

01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:15.500
of those could be in there or what the importance

01:49:15.500 --> 01:49:18.920
is but I think as time goes by and we listen

01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:24.119
to a lot of this stuff There's almost like no

01:49:24.119 --> 01:49:28.520
wrong answer, you know, because these bands have

01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:32.460
put out such great music that they've all they've

01:49:32.460 --> 01:49:34.920
they've all taking up a lot of space and time

01:49:34.920 --> 01:49:39.380
in our lives. But getting back to Metallica,

01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:45.600
Ed, Metallica for you. Yeah, that was life changing

01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.760
for me, Metallica. That's when I went, you know,

01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:51.359
because I was always looking for something a

01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:54.590
little bit heavier. Anything heavier attracted

01:49:54.590 --> 01:49:58.630
me. When I heard them on the metal shop that

01:49:58.630 --> 01:50:02.609
one night, I've told you that story. Boy, I went

01:50:02.609 --> 01:50:05.449
to the mall the next day and bought that Ride

01:50:05.449 --> 01:50:11.149
the Lightning as soon as I could. I'll never

01:50:11.149 --> 01:50:14.069
forget those days of how exciting it was to listen

01:50:14.069 --> 01:50:15.789
to that record, especially when I brought it

01:50:15.789 --> 01:50:19.430
home and heard Fight Fire with Fire after having

01:50:19.430 --> 01:50:21.329
heard Ride the Lightning and For Whom the Bell

01:50:21.329 --> 01:50:24.939
Tolls first. right uh so it was like almost two

01:50:24.939 --> 01:50:27.600
life -changing moments one hearing ride the lightning

01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:29.979
on the radio and then bringing the cassette home

01:50:29.979 --> 01:50:34.020
and hearing fight fire with fire and uh i just

01:50:34.020 --> 01:50:36.760
i can't describe how cool that album sounded

01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:41.159
back then and how cool it looked and uh and it

01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:43.699
was also refreshing to see guys that weren't

01:50:43.699 --> 01:50:47.600
you know doing their hair up like docking started

01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:51.880
to do And just had the jeans and T -shirts and,

01:50:51.939 --> 01:50:55.260
you know, metal patch jackets and was just, you

01:50:55.260 --> 01:50:58.500
know, thrashing out. That I was able to connect

01:50:58.500 --> 01:51:01.779
with. You know, an average Joe like me, you could

01:51:01.779 --> 01:51:04.300
be like that. You know, just grow your hair out

01:51:04.300 --> 01:51:06.520
a little bit, look sloppy, whatever. Put your

01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:09.500
jean jackets on, your ripped up jeans, grab a

01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:12.300
guitar. It was a lot harder to try to be, you

01:51:12.300 --> 01:51:14.840
know, a glam metal musician unless you're a pretty

01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:17.640
boy. and could grow your hair really long, real

01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:21.100
fast, you know. Right. So it was, you know, they

01:51:21.100 --> 01:51:24.619
were like a, I mean, I know there was bands like

01:51:24.619 --> 01:51:29.340
them that preceded them, but, you know, that

01:51:29.340 --> 01:51:33.220
kind of music really exploded in that year with

01:51:33.220 --> 01:51:35.720
Metallica, especially, I think, when Ride the

01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:38.859
Lightning came out, because that one was a little

01:51:38.859 --> 01:51:43.300
more probably palatable for some people. Right.

01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:46.439
Because a lot of people that became fans of that

01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.300
kind of music, they had to get used to it for

01:51:48.300 --> 01:51:50.380
a while. I remember playing that for friends

01:51:50.380 --> 01:51:52.739
of mine that did not like it, heavy metal buddies.

01:51:53.699 --> 01:51:56.720
But of course, they're all huge fans ever since

01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:02.680
then. Right. Yeah. That was me. Was it? Yeah.

01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:08.399
Yeah. Keep going, Jeremy. Yeah, I mean, that

01:52:08.399 --> 01:52:11.880
was me, Ed. I didn't like Metallica at all, not

01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:14.539
one bit. I was into hair metal, you know, obviously

01:52:14.539 --> 01:52:17.359
progressed through New Wave of British Heavy

01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:22.319
Metal into the American hair metal, loved sort

01:52:22.319 --> 01:52:24.659
of hair metal, all that sort of stuff, you know,

01:52:24.659 --> 01:52:28.859
all that glossy image. Metallica came out, I

01:52:28.859 --> 01:52:31.500
couldn't feel it. I just didn't feel it at all.

01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:34.300
It was, I didn't know what thrash metal was.

01:52:34.380 --> 01:52:39.210
It was noise, total noise to me. And it was only

01:52:39.210 --> 01:52:42.170
when the Black Album came out that I enjoyed

01:52:42.170 --> 01:52:44.390
some of it, you know, and started to get into

01:52:44.390 --> 01:52:48.750
that proper melody and beat with the heaviness.

01:52:48.989 --> 01:52:51.590
And then it was after that that I started to

01:52:51.590 --> 01:52:55.050
like thrash metal and I started to get it. And

01:52:55.050 --> 01:52:57.250
then I went back and listened to the early stuff

01:52:57.250 --> 01:52:59.920
and I really liked it. But obviously they're

01:52:59.920 --> 01:53:02.319
here because a lot of people were like me in

01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:05.039
that time. You know, I don't think they had that

01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:07.800
mass appeal initially. And they built and built

01:53:07.800 --> 01:53:10.100
their career. And they did lots of different

01:53:10.100 --> 01:53:13.439
stuff through that career. And they had the word

01:53:13.439 --> 01:53:17.020
metal in their name, which helped. um they they

01:53:17.020 --> 01:53:19.300
took the bat they took no they carried the baton

01:53:19.300 --> 01:53:22.539
for metal i think you know they were uh they

01:53:22.539 --> 01:53:24.960
were sort of path breaking for for that and they're

01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:27.220
really good on the marketing side you know they

01:53:27.220 --> 01:53:29.359
didn't have any gimmicks but they had these great

01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:33.600
um logos and you know just had that sort of uh

01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:37.260
they were edgy um you know thrash metal was edgy

01:53:37.260 --> 01:53:40.140
uh and they were better than bands you know i

01:53:40.140 --> 01:53:41.680
know you might disagree victor because i know

01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:43.800
you love anthrax but for me they were better

01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:46.550
than anthrax they were They were stronger and

01:53:46.550 --> 01:53:50.470
more powerful, and they still are, and they're

01:53:50.470 --> 01:53:53.470
still going, and they managed to keep that marketing

01:53:53.470 --> 01:53:58.189
going and still be out there pushing it for heavy

01:53:58.189 --> 01:54:01.529
metal. And they talk about all the early days,

01:54:01.649 --> 01:54:05.390
their influences, and I think that's important.

01:54:06.050 --> 01:54:08.770
And so they're definitely worthy here because

01:54:08.770 --> 01:54:14.189
they're really good at it, at what they do. Absolutely.

01:54:14.890 --> 01:54:23.729
johan metallica well to me i discovered them

01:54:23.729 --> 01:54:29.329
through a friend back in when was right lighting

01:54:29.329 --> 01:54:39.510
released 84 yes yeah uh so it was uh i love that

01:54:39.510 --> 01:54:45.170
record it was totally mind -blowing uh And at

01:54:45.170 --> 01:54:50.109
the same time I loved Motley Crue. So back in

01:54:50.109 --> 01:54:53.649
those days that weren't a problem. You could

01:54:53.649 --> 01:54:57.729
like both Metallica and Motley Crue because both

01:54:57.729 --> 01:55:02.430
bands were metal bands. Metallica was harder

01:55:02.430 --> 01:55:05.430
but Motley Crue was still distorted guitars.

01:55:15.009 --> 01:55:18.229
i love that band everything has been said of

01:55:18.229 --> 01:55:23.909
course i have seen them perhaps 20 times i don't

01:55:23.909 --> 01:55:34.449
think that's enough but but metallica is kind

01:55:34.449 --> 01:55:40.069
of like the they are not ground zero for heavy

01:55:40.069 --> 01:55:43.569
metal because that's probably black sabbath but

01:55:44.250 --> 01:55:53.350
But they are great. At least here in Sweden,

01:55:53.430 --> 01:55:59.949
it's good to like Metallica and still like any

01:55:59.949 --> 01:56:04.909
other band. So here, Metallica is mainstream,

01:56:05.310 --> 01:56:10.050
but it's a good mainstream, if you know what

01:56:10.050 --> 01:56:17.779
I mean. They are the the household band for all

01:56:17.779 --> 01:56:29.659
heavy rock So I think they They deserve their

01:56:29.659 --> 01:56:36.859
position on this chart And I can discuss them

01:56:36.859 --> 01:56:42.979
all night but There are so many things to say

01:56:42.979 --> 01:56:48.399
about them, but they deserve number one on this

01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:54.539
very important chart. All right. Awesome. So

01:56:54.539 --> 01:56:57.880
I'm sure that all of the bands will be listening

01:56:57.880 --> 01:57:00.420
to this episode and be thrilled to be part of

01:57:00.420 --> 01:57:04.579
the inaugural class of the Signals for Mars Hall

01:57:04.579 --> 01:57:08.300
of Fame. Let's just do a quick recap here at

01:57:08.300 --> 01:57:14.420
10. Rush, nine. Deep Purple, eight. Van Halen,

01:57:14.439 --> 01:57:21.619
seven. ACDC, six. Judas Priest, five. Kiss, four.

01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:25.619
Led Zeppelin, three. Iron Maiden, two. Black

01:57:25.619 --> 01:57:29.659
Sabbath, and one. Metallica, but I think the

01:57:29.659 --> 01:57:32.479
overwhelming kind of reaction from all of us

01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:37.930
is that this is... A complete class all onto

01:57:37.930 --> 01:57:41.050
itself and regardless of how many votes one band

01:57:41.050 --> 01:57:44.890
got or another. This is the foundation that we're

01:57:44.890 --> 01:57:48.029
laying for this Hall of Fame. So I think it's

01:57:48.029 --> 01:57:52.069
very important. I want to thank everyone that's

01:57:52.069 --> 01:57:54.609
joined us tonight. We had Edgar Winterson in

01:57:54.609 --> 01:57:59.270
the chat. We have obviously Johan in Sweden.

01:57:59.310 --> 01:58:03.130
We have Ed in Kentucky. And we have Jeremy in

01:58:03.130 --> 01:58:10.859
the UK. And that is it, folks. Thanks again for

01:58:10.859 --> 01:58:14.239
watching the episode or listening to the replay.

01:58:14.439 --> 01:58:17.579
And we will see you next time right here on Signals

01:58:17.579 --> 01:58:30.199
from Mars. See you, folks. See ya. Thank you

01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:32.399
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