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folks. Let's get on with the episode. Welcome,
one and all, to the March 14th edition of Signals
from Mars. I'm your host, Victor. Joining me
this week is Metal Dan. And Anthony Mackey seems
to have joined us as well. Anthony, we can't
see you. No camera tonight. Okay, that's fine.
Anthony, let me know if you're still going to
be audibly participating in the episode or not.
Okay, that works. Okay, cool. So awesome. There's
the three of us going and who knows, maybe somebody
else may join in, but we're back with a hour
one music discussion. And just for those not
familiar with the premise behind these hour one
shows, it's just us riffing on different hot
topic questions in hard rock and metal topics,
however you want to look at it. But I came up
with five different points to talk about tonight,
and hopefully Dan and Anthony can... Help me
out here. Sort through some of this hard rock
and metal. I was going to say nonsense, nuttiness,
just topics. How about that? Let's leave it at
that. Let's not offend anyone. There's no script
here, and I don't know where this goes, so I
don't know what's going to happen. All right.
So the first topic of the night, new albums we're
looking forward to hearing. We are already three
months in. There's a lot of good music that's
come out so far, and we've still got plenty to
go for the rest of the year. There are all types
of rumors and things about albums that are coming
out this year. There are a few that I would really
like to hear. Hopefully when they come out, I
will be just as enthused about them once I actually
hear them. But Dan, any albums that you're looking
forward to? Hearing this year, I need new music.
So, yeah, I'm looking forward to the new Darkness
album. I've heard a few cuts, and maybe some
people I heard might have a problem with the
album. I shouldn't talk about that. But I like
what I've heard so far, and I'm looking forward
to it. One of the leaked songs didn't turn me
on, but the other ones have me. So the new Darkness
is one. Okay. Any others? Yeah, I've really been
into an Anthrax mood lately. So I'm really hoping
for the best. I've, you know, I kind of over
-listened to them a lot and then I'll pause again
because I burn out. But I've been in that mood
for Anthrax a lot lately. And then you just recently
posted something about Volbeat, the song By a
Monster's Hand. I was really surprised that I
liked it. So now I'm looking for the new Volbeat
too. Yeah, cool. Anthony, any new music you're
looking forward to? No, Anthony. Oh, all right.
Yeah, sorry, sorry. I was saying, I can't really
think of anything off the top of my head. Also,
the first one Dan mentioned there, Darkness,
yeah. Three of the four released songs have been
good, so that's not bad. Yeah. I read that Doug
Pinnock has said that he feels it's time for
King's X to write something else. Yeah, but I
won't hold my breath for that. Okay. Cool. What
a dysfunction they had with the last one. I don't
see how they're interested in doing it again.
Yeah, you're right. Even though it turned out
well, it was a job to come out. Yeah, okay. What
about you, Victor? Yeah, I've got a few here.
You mentioned the Anthrax, same thing. I'm interested
in listening to that one. There's a few other
thrash ones that are supposed to come out. This
year or maybe next year from what I've seen so
far. There's Death Angel that's supposedly in
the works. Testament. Armored Saint has started
writing and recording stuff. Don't know how far
along that is. I welcome that with open arms.
But the one that's really piqued my interest
where I've heard a bunch of tracks while... Two
tracks, to be fair. We've talked about it on
Patreon. It's the new Joe Holmes album, which
the two tracks that I've heard so far I think
are great. I'm really looking forward to that.
And it's so interesting because I really like
that Pharmacos album as well. So it's almost
like he's releasing stuff once every like five
or six years. And so long as the quality is there,
I'm good with that. You know, I don't need to
have a new album every year if it's just not
going to be that good. So, uh, looks like, uh,
Brad doll is also joining us here. Do you need
a clap to sync this up now? No, no. I'll do it
in the editing. Don't worry. I'm used to it.
Fix it in the mix. Fix it in the mix. There you
go. Sorry I'm late, guys. Metal Dan! Metal Dan!
See that? How awesome is that? I haven't seen
you in a while. Good to see you, Dan. We've also
got Anthony Mackie with us. Audio only. Okay.
Yeah. There's no camera on this computer I'm
using. Yeah. Okay. So, Brad, since we've already...
You're probably wishing there was no camera on
mine. So we've... No, then we couldn't see the
great bucket hat. We did this right here. There
you go. Tell them where they can get this, Bob.
Yeah. Well... I've been fighting with them all
week about orders not being fulfilled. Well,
we shouldn't let people know about that. All
orders are fulfilled, of course. If they don't
get their shit in gear, I'll be looking for merch
provider number four. Oh, no. I do have to say
this. Maybe the service ain't that great, but
the quality of the product is there. My T -shirt's
fantastic, this hat. Again, I get more compliments
about this hat than any other hat that I wear.
Well, it shouldn't take two months to get a T
-shirt to someone. That's all I'm going to say.
No, that's true. All right, so Brad, any new
albums you're looking forward to hearing? Ooh,
wow. Yeah, that's an excellent question. I heard
you talking about some people who are working
on new stuff. Wow. What you talked about, Joe
Holmes, I'm very excited to hear what he's got
cooking. The only other one that's really on
my radar right now is Ghost. And I'm kind of
interested in that. The one song I've heard,
I mean, it's Ghost, you know. But it was a really
light on the keyboards. I don't know if it was
just the mix on that one or whatever, but it
didn't have the, you know, the grandiose ghost
ghostness going on. So I'm I'm OK with that.
I'm OK with a stripped back ghost. Maybe maybe
the keyboards are in the same frequencies as
Queensryche symbols from Operation Mindcrime.
No, there were lots of symbols there, man. Peter
Collins, he never he never went. South on the
symbols. It was the Ozzy album. It was the Scorpions
album. Great white. Yeah. There was a lot of
them there where the symbols just were hiding.
I don't know. I think it was just like a production
thing in the day where it's like, yeah, let's
try to keep it. Or they were using drum machines
and they didn't want, they didn't want to mix
in, you know, that's the fake hi -hat stuff.
It didn't sound that good. Well, they're doing
that now with everything. Just ask Anthony about
all the great double bass. Wow. Yeah, I know
it's funny. When we did some of our recording
back in the 80s, it was probably around 86. Well,
you know, kind of the same time -ish. They were
using samples for the drum sounds, for the toms
and the kick and the snare. And so our drummer
would play that, you know, with a Simmons kit.
And then we'd go back afterward and add actual
cymbals. And it was pretty funny because he would
sit there with no drums, sit there on a drum
stool with a hi -hat and cymbals and play along
with the song. It came out really cool. But so,
yeah, interesting stuff. We did weird things
in the 80s. I think Slayer's probably the most
famous band to do that. Oh, they did that, didn't
they? Yeah. And that was what year was that?
That was... 86. See? Was it that far along? It
was the first... It was the first album. Yeah.
Oh, right. Okay. So I think it might have been
earlier than that. Yeah. Might have been. We
did that on the last recording that we did. We
recorded the drums and cymbals separately. Oh,
wow. Just to help with the mix. Yeah. Here I
thought we invented that. No, that's a trick.
Yeah. 83. Show no mercy. Okay. So they did it
before we did. Darn. Yeah. Oh, well. I said a
bunch of other trends in the 80s, but maybe not
that one. There you go. All right. So let's move
on to the second topic here. I've been checking
out what shows might be available when we hit
the States this year. And there's a few. There's
some package deals. There's, which is a package
deal, the only bands that I've really listened
to a fairly decent amount are Kill Switch Engage
and Parkway Drive. I think I Prevail is on that
as well, but I've listened to them sparingly.
Offspring is coming around with Jimmy World and
Newfound Glory, I think it is. Volbeat with Hailstorm.
Volbeat will also be here in October, but with
Bush, actually. So I'm trying to think. There's
a third show that I looked at, and I just don't
remember right now. But anyway. Dan, any shows
that you're looking forward to checking out?
Yeah, so a couple things. So tickets went on
sale today for Shanker with Armored Saint opening.
Okay, yeah. And I got in late. To look. And by
the time I got there, the show that I wanted
to go in Anaheim, it's nearly already sold out.
And I was looking at they did it by sections.
They're doing it by seats. The venue can be standing
room. Looks like they're doing seats. They want
$400 for one ticket up front for one way. I was.
Yeah. And in the back, they want 50 to 60 to
70 U .S. And, of course, I need my Armored Saint
up close. And, yeah, I get it, Michael Shanker,
whatever. But I'm an Armored Saint fan. Call
it what I am. So I want to just see Armored Saint.
So I don't know. Hopefully I'll get another chance.
Looks like so far I'm skipping. They're playing
a couple of other venues. I can try. I was surprised.
I was shocked at the cost because this is a smallish
venue. Medium sizes. Yeah. And I don't know why
the prices are so high. But anyways, that was
interesting. But next month is Jackal. Before
you go on on Jackal, is Armand St. doing the
whole tour with Michael? No. It's only the California
dates. Oh. One date in Texas and one in Arizona.
So it's. It's Anaheim, Agora Hills, somewhere
up in San Francisco. It's four or five dates
in California. Two dates. The Agora Hills is
a nice venue. It's small. It's going to be very
intimate. It's a drive for me. That's the way
it's out there on the 101. But, yeah, it's just
a few dates that I'm happy that they're doing.
I really like to see them. It's funny, Shelley
was just showing me that she got the ad, the
Michael Schenker thing. She goes, you're going
to go see this. It's like, well, you're not really
coming anywhere near here. Denver is probably
the closest. But I just got a notice from the
place that I'm going to see Saxon a week from
today that they're playing there at the Tobin
Arts Center. san antonio and they're selling
the minimum the lower tickets which would be
up in the upper deck would be 39 which that's
not too bad cool yeah we were talking at the
top of the hour that armor saint is probably
releasing a new album this year so hopefully
there'll be more than just this they're more
active than ever which is a great thing So that
kind of was weird. It is what it is. I just saw
him twice last year, and they're playing with
Wasp in Europe. So, again, take your shot. When
you take it, go see Armored Stain. I make the
drive. I've driven all over just to see them.
But, yeah, Jackal. I happen to be a – I think
Jeff Worley, the pirate, is a guitar god. I like
watching him play. I know not everybody's got
a taste for Jackal. My wife's not going. I've
got to solo it. But I dig it. Last time was like
five years ago, and I need about one show every
five years, and I'm good. More than that, it's
the same shit over and over. Where are they playing
at? Where am I going to? Orange County, South
Orange County. They're all over. There's a venue
opened up in Fontana that's brand new. They're
playing Vegas. They're playing Vamp. They're
playing Arizona. So when they come out to the
West Coast, they do it. And then they go back
to the East and Texas and all the other stuff.
And they don't leave the U .S., it seems. Well,
they probably can't. But I've never seen them.
Based on your assessment, it's a band I should
see. The bass has got a great tone. I like it
every time I hear one of their songs. Roman's
got a thick, good tone. He's got a good attitude.
It's a good band live. And then I'll get off
this topic and pass it on to somebody else. End
of the year is Weird Al. I know a lot of people
like Weird Al. I mean, going and seeing him.
I know he's got a killer band. Yeah, this time
he's bringing back the big show. This is back
to return to the I'm fat and all that kind of
stuff. So this is the full thing back because
he took a break from that and now this is back.
So that's it, Weird Al. That's pretty cool. And
is that going to be a summer tour or end of the
year, you're saying? Yeah, Weird Al's at near
the end of the year. He's doing a bunch of shows
all over the U .S. Amazing. I've seen him, gosh,
five times or so. And my wife laughs and she
enjoys it. So it's a good date night. He's playing
in the L .A. Forum. So that's a nice big venue.
Wow, that is. He's playing the New York area
right before we get there. We arrive on the 18th
and he's playing the 12th at Madison Square Garden.
He'll sell that out. He's – let's see. Where's
the 12th? Why isn't Beth on the 13th, 17th? It's
a once -in -a -lifetime at least. You should
see Weird Al. Philly would work. It's sold out.
Yeah, it's sold. He's a great entertainer. It's
a great show. Sold out in Philly. Then the next
show is Vienna, Virginia. Yeah. Raleigh, North
Carolina. So essentially, if we want to see,
because the day we get there, he's at the Foxwood
Casino. That's a good venue. Yeah. No way. Yeah.
But after eight hours of being on a plane, there's
no way we're going to Foxwood, which is another
three hours away. And even going down to Filthy
Delphia, that's like two hours. So that sucks.
I guess there's a wait list as well. Yeah, tickets
went on sale well before a year before the dates
actually are fulfilled. So he lined it up. Anyways.
All right. Anthony, any shows you're looking
forward to seeing? Yeah, it's really busy gig
-wise at the moment here. Oh, wow. And I've already
got more tickets in the bag than I think I've
ever had. The first of which is next Friday.
Zeeland Arder are playing here. So go and see
that. And then a lot of things that aren't really
metal, so to speak, you know. I've got tickets
for Viagra Boys. Okay. Only DeFranco. Who else?
We've got Weezer, My Bloody Valentine. Whoa.
But that's right up to the end of the year. But
there's a lot of metal gigs happening here. Like,
Even what you just mentioned, like Shanker's
playing here, Wasser playing here. And there's
loads being announced all the time. Like I think
I saw, was it like fucking Dark Angel were playing
here? Okay. And there's other kind of, there's
loads of metal happening here. It's a really
busy year for concerts. That's cool. The other
show that I forgot that I couldn't think of before
is Pantera and Amon Amarth is the other show.
Pantera were here a week ago. And actually two
nights ago was also your son's favorite band,
Limp Bizkit, were here. This gig's all the time
here. I don't know how people are affording it
because they're crazy expensive. Expensive, yeah.
That was my question. I mean, I'm sure all shows
are different, but what about are you paying
for a lot of these shows? I just had a look here.
I'm not going to go to see Wasp, but they're
43 euro. Shanker, I looked, was 48 euro. Smallish.
venue like if you were excited about it it would
be a good gig but these bigger shows are just
insane you know big controversy here with dynamic
pricing and things like that so but like the
things I choose to go to like I think Weezer
was 70 or something you know and the other which
I'm going to next week was only like 30 euro
yeah Volbeat is 65 starting at 65 here and in
New Jersey it was yeah about the same 67 dollars
for It's seated kind of middle of the amphitheater,
like middle, middle, I would say is about 67.
Yeah. So, I mean, I guess in that case, we got
to pick either whether we want to see Bush or
hailstorm. I don't know. I got to say, I don't
think those ticket prices are that bad. What's
that Anthony? I was going to say, good luck choosing
between Bush and Aylson. But yeah, like I've
got to pick and choose what I go to as well.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the thing is for
us too, you know, and I got to think about four
tickets because it's me, my wife, my kids. So
for example, Pantera, the Pantera show, Offspring.
was like 300 something dollars for the four of
us um the other package with uh kill switch was
like 270 and volbeat's going to be similar in
price to that so you know we usually pick one
show because we can't afford to see absolutely
everything because of the prices but um Because,
you know, we don't know when we're going back.
We don't know what shows are going to be there.
And last year, unfortunately, there really wasn't
much. This year, there's a bunch to choose from.
But there really isn't anything that, you know,
that makes me want to go, oh, shit, I have to
see that. You know, Shanker's playing close to
where Steve Holker lives. He's playing in NetCon,
New Jersey. He had an old theater there, which
is like 20 minutes from where my folks live.
But Armored Saint isn't at that show. And it's
a seated, it's a really small venue. I don't
think you can fit more than like 250, 300 people
in that. That's crazy. That's kind of weird.
But maybe those are all going to be $400 tickets,
like you're saying, Dan. So who knows? Brad,
shows, we know you're going to see Saxon. What
else you have lined up and what other shows would
you like to see? Which, by the way, Dan will
like this. Lizzie Borden is the first act on
that Saxon show. Good for them, yeah. Yeah, I'm
excited to see them. I think they have a new
album coming out. I should say he has a new album
coming out. But, yeah, I know he hasn't played
them out in a while. So it'll be interesting
to see what his set list is like. And he probably
won't play real long. And then Riot is the middle
band, Riot V. Good. So I think that's going to
be pretty good. And I found out Riot is playing
The Day I Arrive in Austin. So I think I might
try to hit that one as well. I don't know who
would be on that bill. So, yeah, I'm going to
have fun there. Good times in Texas. Blind in
Texas. Blind in Texas. There you go. And so the
next possible thing, I don't have tickets for
this yet because I don't like buying tickets
way ahead of time unless it's a reserve seat
thing. And I'm like Dan. I like to get down in
the front. I like to, you know, knock about with
the boys. But the next one is Gene Simmons in
Utah next month. And he's like the 10th. So that's
not very far away. And so I'd really like to
go see, go see him and his band. The venue sucks
though. And it's, it's pretty big. But it's,
it's just a crappy venue. The sound in there
is bad. It's because it's tall, but I'm still
going to try to go. So hopefully. You could be
his roadie if you want to. Dr. Poison, Dr. Love.
Yeah. The difference there is he'd have to pay
me. That made a lot of news. Like, that's a shocker
because, well, because we know that bands do
this, but they're not at that level. So for a
band, a lower level to say you can roadie is
kind of a fandom thing, you know, or it's stupidly
priced and you shouldn't do it. What do you think
about? Okay. No, but here's the thing to that,
though. There's so many people going apeshit
about that. There's people going apeshit about
the whole $25 ,000 strutter single. There's going
to be somebody out there that's going to buy
it. The reason that they released this stuff
is that there's going to be somebody who's got
millions of dollars. Who's a fan that has no
issue paying for it? And that's what a lot of
people don't understand. The other day, I had
this random post come up on Facebook. And somebody
said, Def Leppard was so much bigger than Kiss
in the 80s. Why is Kiss's I Was Made For Loving
You over a billion streams? Def Leppard's song
that's been streamed the most, Pour Some Sugar
On Me, only has like a million something or other.
And somebody says, oh, well, that's because,
you know, the rights for 10 years, Def Leppard,
much like Tool and Led Zeppelin and Taylor Swift
decided not to. sign for digital rights and this
and that and blah, blah, blah. And they were
going on this whole thing. And I responded and
nobody responded back. And I said, okay, so for
all of you people that have been criticizing
KISS for being part of Scooby -Doo, for being
part of Hello Kitty. I want to be in Scooby -Doo.
For being in all these different things. They're
marketing their music to younger people. So what
that means is that you've got kids with phones
streaming stuff that they've watched in a Scooby
-Doo cartoon and that stays in their playlist
and they keep playing it. And I said, you people
still think that the Kiss avatars. are for you.
They're not for 50 and 60 -year -old people.
They're for kids that are 8, 9, 10 years old.
It's to compete with Marvel stuff, keep the music
alive, and when you realize that Def Leppard
caps off at a million streams for Pour Some Sugar
On Me while I Was Made For Loving You, a song
that I really don't like anyway, is at two billion
streams. It's because they weren't marketing
for the old guy that wasn't going to watch the
cartoon. That's the guy that's going to buy that
stupid $25 ,000 gold single. People still don't.
I mean, it's just so idiotic to see people online
bitching about, oh, well, you know, you're not
marketing for me. You're right. And look at Def
Leppard's market. Are people that are listening
to Def Leppard, that are stuck on hysteria and
pyromania, are they listening to that? And I'm
talking about 80 % of their audience. Are they
listening to that on Spotify or are they still
using their CD to listen to that? Most people
and what they don't realize is that a lot of
people our age and even people younger than us.
haven't jumped on streaming because they're faithful
to that cd you can't get them past an album that's
come out in 1989 much the less ask them to get
on streaming yeah if you haven't got it out of
your system to do the meet and greets and do
whatever there's still people out there that'll
do the the gene simmons thing absolutely because
it's it's an opportunity and you're like screw
it i got the money i'm gonna burn it i'm gonna
do it yes and that's and that's the whole thing
Oh, you know, what kind of a dummy? Yeah, okay.
So if you have the money to burn and you have
the choice to meet someone in that circumstance
and you idolize them or like their music, you
just won the lottery. Hey, Gene Simmons is coming
to town. I want to be his roadie. That's not
that far -fetched. No, not at all. No. So for...
A slob like myself that doesn't have that kind
of money? Sure, for me, I'm like, there's no
way. I'm not going to do it. But if I'm not going
to begrudge anyone who can economically pull
it off. And really has it in them that they want
to do it, absolutely. That's it. And by the way,
Def Leppard's playing a casino. Now, they've
been doing this these last couple years in the
U .S., these stadium tours with Journeys or whatever.
Well, now they're playing a casino here in California.
I'm not sure it's sold out yet, but have they
already fallen down, starting to go back down?
Because they can't sell out for as much as they
want to tell you they're as big as ever. Same
with Motley Crue. Motley Crue, who all of a sudden,
Vince Neil has a mysterious ailment, a ticketitis.
Sugar diabetes. You know, I don't understand
why these bands have to play with smoke and mirrors
all the time. There are other bands. Oh, you
know, we've canceled our European tour because
it costs too much for us to tour. You were here
two months ago. You're playing the same set list.
Yeah. Who is now going to come back and pay another
$60 to $80, euros, whatever it is, to see the
same set list? So now the new excuse is, oh,
you know, ever since COVID, the gas prices have
gone up, so we can't afford to tour. No, people
can't afford to see you three times a year. It's
that simple. All right. Okay, so Brad, so you're
going to see Gene Simmons? I really hope so,
yes. And then I got M3 the first week into May.
Well done keeping us on track there, Dan. And
here's the thing about M3, you know, the big.
Mark Striegel, I love him, but he was really
hyping this out before it was announced. Oh,
you guys are going to be so surprised. And I
was like, oh, I'm really excited now. And I'm
telling you, David Lee Roth, I don't know that
that's really that exciting. I'm going to find
out. I hope I'm really wrong, and he puts on
a great show, and he sings well, and I'm sure
his band will be good. But I kind of feel like
it'll be almost like when I saw Yngwie the last
time there. It was like just a laugh fest. It
was just a spinal tap. Brad? We'll see. Brad?
Yeah. Yeah, I hope he does that. Just remember,
he may not even bring a band. He may bring his
collie out. He'll be wearing his soft tap shoes.
He'll be sliding across the stage with the sword,
with the flag at the end. Hopefully not. He won't
nip his nose this time. But how? This is what
I don't understand. All right. So Steven Pearce
is taking and I'm sorry for hijacking this. Steven
Pearce is taking Warren. Demartini, Carlos Cavazzo.
I forget if it's Jimmy DeAnder or I think it's
still the guy from Slaughter on drums. Okay.
Who's great? What's his name? The original bass
player. Matt Thor. Matt Thor. I used to idolize
him. Go ahead. David Lee Roth. Not dead. Steve
Vai. Billy Sheehan. And Greg Bissonette together.
Those guys would do it in a heartbeat. Those
guys would be there. They would be there. This
is the perfect gig to do that at. Yes. How many
tickets would they sell? All of them. I'd be
able to resell mine. Even if Dave. People would
show up just to see those guys play with him
again. That was that was fucking amazing as they
were minutes away from doing it at that bowling
event thing. And they got shut down by the fire
marshal of just that's a great story. And you're
absolutely right. That's what they should do.
I wish they do it. Those guys would do it in
a heartbeat, too. I know they all want to do
it. But you're right. Then it would be like,
holy crap, M3 just put themselves way the hell
up there. There you go. Instead of like, oh my
goodness, Stephen Piercy and Warren Demartini
are playing together again? That's going to sell
huge tickets. It probably will. People will go
nuts. I mean, that's going to... I think it'll
pull people in and they've announced more shows
since. Yeah, I think they had to hold off on
that because they wanted to – it was probably
part of the deal with M3. It's like we've got
to make this look like this is the only one you're
doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they've started
announcing other stuff. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because
I think – because Steven has been saying that
he wants to retire. So is this the end now then?
Well, if he wants to retire, I think he should.
Well, this may be the closest we see Rat getting
back together again, unfortunately. So, Brad,
you're good to go. So you're going to probably
the M3 and you get to report back on that. Yeah,
I hope so. And you sneak down front and you don't
even have tickets for the front and you sneak
down in front because you told us all that you
got the way. Don't tell me. You know what, though?
Because I found out some other things about this.
They're actually selling those seats now. So
I don't know that I'll be able to. pull the maneuvers
like i did before yeah the things things are
changing with that m3 group um let's see what
else i got going on here um tell us yeah yeah
uh i know at the end of the summer uh we're gonna
go see toto and salt lake and that that's like
gonna be the most expensive concert ticket i've
ever purchased because shelly wants to sit down
you know Closest you can. It's in a shed. And
I can't remember what it was, but it was like,
oh, my gosh. Crazy. You're spending more than
Kansas for Toto? Yeah, I think I could actually
have Kansas come play at my house for what I'm
paying for Toto to go see Toto. And at this case,
you know, Toto's not in Kansas anymore. You know
what? That would be like the actual great bill,
wouldn't it? Toto and Kansas together? Come on,
guys. What have you thought of that? Let's see.
I've never seen Billy Idol, and he's coming to
Utah at the end of the summer as well. And so
I'm going to kind of keep an eye on that. I'm
not just going to jump out there and buy tickets
yet. They're expensive as well. It's the same
venue, same outdoor venues. Dan, you've seen
Billy? Probably back in the old days. No, that's
not in my area of concern. Okay. I'm not, no.
Fair enough. All right. So that's kind of what
I have on the docket for right now. Okay. Oh,
I just remembered another one that has come up.
Melvin. Oh, okay. And they're playing with Red
Cross. Oh, wow. With Red Cross? Yeah. Wow. I
didn't know they were still doing anything. Yeah,
and Steve McDonald is playing with Melvins now.
Okay. So he'll be double -jopping that night.
So you might be forced to listen to some Kiss
music live, because both bands cover Kiss. That's
right. Let's hope not. The question is, will
you be able to identify any of those songs? It'll
be interesting to hear Anthony come back to us
and say, yeah, Red Cross played this really cool
song, Detroit Rock City. No, I'd recognize that
one. Wow. All right, cool. So next topic here,
a new documentary about Skid Row's Slave to the
Grind. Interesting that we're getting this in
2025. Is this necessary at this point? I mean,
this is something that probably would have been
cool back in the day. But now, I mean, the producer
certainly doesn't remember anything about this
album because when he was on Decibel Geek and
they wanted him to talk about it, he couldn't
remember anything about it. Dan, does a Slave
to the Grind documentary tickle your fancy? None
whatsoever. I did hear today that Maiden's releasing
a 50th anniversary. Back to you. Okay. Anthony,
would you be in this one? I'm not going to say
none whatsoever, but I'm still going to say no.
I think it would make a good YouTube video essay.
Yeah, okay. Which I would watch. But a full -on
documentary? I don't know. Yeah, Brad? Yeah,
you know, Skid Row is one of those bands. I've
seen them a few times now. The best time I've
seen them was with Eric Greenwald when they were
doing the... warming up for scorpions at the
in vegas at the residency and i i liked the new
songs they were playing and i've heard those
old songs a lot and i think you've kind of talked
about this victor where the being in new jersey
they were kind of shoved down your throat yeah
i kind of felt that way too even though i was
in california and those songs just for some reason
just don't hit me hard They're just like, they're
okay. I mean, that's not bad. It's just, it just
doesn't like move me. And I've seen Sebastian.
I'll be seeing him in M3. And I hope he doesn't
play mostly, I'm sure he will play mostly Skid
Row songs, but I'd like his solo stuff actually
better. And he's actually pretty, he was pretty
good last time I saw him in M3. I've seen videos
of him on YouTube where he's just awful singing,
but he sang really well. Put on a good show.
He was funny. He was endearing, and it was pretty
good. But the Skid Row Boys, the band is really
good, really tight, sound great. As far as what
you're talking about, before Dan pulls the plug
on me here, yeah, I don't care about the documentary.
So here's my question to you, Brad. Over or under,
how many stupid things does Sebastian say on
stage during M3? I'm going to put the over -under
at five. Okay. Yeah, I'll try to keep score.
I'll put Shelly in charge of keeping score. Okay.
Because her version of stupid and mine, it might
not be the same. I was really expecting just
to think that he would be just awful and be a
joke when I saw him there the last time. And
I sat there and I was like, damn, you know, he
had a good band. He was really cool. He wasn't
an asshole. He was just, he was, he was really
cool. He loved the crowd. He was just very gratuitous
to the whole thing. And, and he sang really well.
I was like, all right, cool. I'm giving that,
I'm giving Sebastian a big point there. Good
job, Sebastian. Keep it up. He must've found
the shoes that actually fit that day. And he
wasn't cranky. Yeah. Not cranky. I'm not a fan
of Hailstorm and I'm not a fan of Skid Row so
much with what they've been doing. But when I
saw the clip of Lizzy Hale being with Skid Row,
it worked really well. And I wouldn't, I'd be
okay seeing that. She pulled that off, I thought,
on a video too, not even live in person. Yeah.
I was surprised. They're a really good band.
I mean, they play really well. I mean, and it's
just. who will be singing, but yeah, but those
old songs, those old songs really just don't
hit me. It's I, I don't get all. Ooh. Yeah. And
especially the, you know, the, the 18 life and
all that. It's like, Oh God. Then they're done
it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I mean, God
bless them for having success and good on those
guys. They seem like decent dudes. So I'm glad
it's just, it's just for some reason, it just
doesn't hit me. 18th singer in life there. Ronnie
Romero. I'm telling you that any day now they're
going to announce it. Yeah. Again, we could spend
a whole show talking about Ronnie Romero. I just,
and I'll, I'll, I'll end up posting this. I got
a video of him covering rainbow in the dark,
something everyone's been waiting for. That's
sarcasm, right? You just held up your sign? Good
job, Dan. That is sarcasm. Wait, Dan. Hold on.
Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Let's get it. Yes.
Okay. Well, I think he was either going for that
or a yellow submarine, you know. All right. Enough
of the covers already. You know, let's... No,
and if you're going to cover something, you know,
for as much crap as Metallica gets for covering
bands, for the most part, they're not covering
the band's biggest song. The song we've already
heard 800 ,000 million times on the radio. You
know, instead of covering Highway Star, Space
Trucking, if you're Ace Frehley, Oh, Ace is going
to be at M3. And he's releasing another covers
album. We'll see. We'll see if he's better than
the last time he was there where he obviously
had a lot of cough syrup. Yeah, it was cough
syrup. He was, you know. It was a lot of cough
syrup. That was like the most ridiculous thing
I've ever seen at a live show where, I mean,
and M3, they just turned, you know, I get spinning
stage and they're turning bands over like that.
And, but no ACE, they got to come out and they
did this huge sound check. And of course, no,
no ACE out there, but all his boys, he's got
the big crew. And, and it was, it felt like it
was an hour. And so they got everything right.
And they hit the stage and nothing was right.
I mean, everything was, the sound was just awful.
It was a disaster. Everybody's like pointing
at the soundboard, you know, and it was, it was
a fricking mess. I'm like, if you're going to
do it where, where 90 % of the other bands walked
on stage without a sound check. And they dialed
him right in, man, and they sounded great. They
spent an hour just fucking up all the equipment.
Here's what I think it was. It's like, we can't
go on until we wake Ace up. We got to wake him
up first. So stall, guys, stall. True. Oh, my
goodness. But here's the thing with that. There
are a bunch of guys that are. Known for being
great musicians, great cover band, members of
cover bands. If Ace can't sing one night, have
one of the other guys sing. Yeah. Ace is known
for being a lead guitarist, not being Bruce Dickinson.
But when I saw him before with the cops there,
that was Richie Scarlett in the old band. He
fired him. Okay. So that makes sense. Richie
Scarlett, bless his heart, man. He should not
sing. Richie who saw me walk into the Roseland
in New York once, and he couldn't take his eyes
off me. And I'm thinking, what's going on here?
And then I went up to him at a KISS convention.
And I'm like, yeah, I saw you at the Roseland.
You know, you kept looking at me. I guess I must
have reminded, I probably reminded you of somebody.
I can't remember. My ex -wife. Anyway, point
number four. Savatage will focus mostly on Zach
Stevens' era of the band. Is this a smart move?
Let's remember, Zach Stevens is fronting the
band. That's one thing. But when he came into
the band for Handful of Rain, how many Handful
of Rain songs were they doing? Maybe four, five
max live? Everything else was John Oliva stuff.
The meat and potatoes of the band, that would,
I don't know. Again, this is Brian Johnson saying
he won't sing Bon Scott stuff or Dickinson saying
he won't sing DeAnno stuff. Yes, people know
who you are. You were the second singer in the
band. People are champing at the bit to see you,
but they want to hear that. John Aliva stuff.
They want to hear Hall of the Mountain King and
they want to hear gutter ballet and all that
classic stuff because that's what got most people
into the band. And as cool as Handful of Rain
is and some of the other tracks with Zach on
it, people are going to want to hear both. How
about that? Yeah, I saw them back in the day
when it was the Hall of the Mountain King era
and all that before the tragedy happened, and
the band died. It sucks, and it is what it is.
There's nothing left. It's over. It's just reality.
The interesting thing, though, what you just
said, the band died, but they were smart enough.
to resurrect the band into a money -making machine,
which is Trans -Siberian Orchestra. And that's
not my gig to go to. I want sabotage. No, I agree
with you 100%, but how many bands have been able
to kind of pull the phoenix out of the ashes
and do something completely different like that?
Absolutely. Took it into a higher level than
Savatage could probably ever get with sirens
and all that shit back in the day that was heavy
and new and not commercially successful at all
that would never get radio play. Absolutely.
They took it to where they wanted to get to make
a job, make a living. Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. I'm all for making money. There you go.
You just want to become Gene Simmons' roadie.
You're just admitting to it. Like I said, he's
got to pay me. I want to make money. I would
love to hang out with Gene and talk bass, though.
I really would. Especially since I've been playing
the first three Kiss albums for the past few
weeks on bass. I'm telling you, man, these people
that not kiss, not get songwriters and all that
stuff. Hell no. Those, those are really cool
songs and naughty, not super easy. Some of them
are, but, but, uh, I mean, there's some really
cool stuff in there. So, and the bass playing
is fantastic. There you go. There you go. Anthony,
your thoughts on the whole sabotage thing. Uh,
I, I, I have nothing to add on this. I don't
know enough about them or their, the story. I
don't know anything about this. All right. So
last topic of the night. Rush is going to be
releasing Rush 50 box set celebrating their 50th
anniversary. So for me, there's two trains of
thought with this. One, it's kind of cool. But
at the same time. People take Kiss to task, Ozzy
to task, Judas Priest to task, you know, about,
oh, you've done all these re -releases. I think
Maiden and Rush have done more re -releases than
any other band ever. And no one ever calls them
out for it because, and look, God bless them
if people are still buying the stuff, but. Russia's
done this how many times? They just recently
remixed and remastered, what, four or five albums?
Within the last few years? I mean, I don't know.
I don't get why some bands get called to task
for, oh, there's another Greatest Hits album
or another live album, and then yet, hey, let
me give you, you know, another variation of Permanent
Waves. Because on this iteration of the album,
Peter Collins turned the knob up two -tenths
of a degree more than the last release of the
album. So it's been remastered for 2025. This
is superior to the 2023 version. Sounds like
it's not needed. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know,
knowing Rush, though, that's one thing is they
usually don't put crap out there. They usually
give you something of quality. And let's face
it, Rush fans, a lot of them have jobs and have
made money. And they'll be more than happy to
buy this stuff over and over again. And bless
their hearts, man. Go for it. I don't have a
problem with them doing this. And as far as people
taking them to task, yeah, you know, there's
the trolls out there. They've got their targets,
and they're just, you know, yeah. There you go.
All right. Anthony, your thoughts? Oh, well,
again, I kind of have no thoughts on this. Like,
reissues happen all the time, and they come,
they just. go buy me I don't pay any attention
to what like even bands I really like really
shoot stuff and I just haven't bothered buying
it because like you know I have I have the album
why do I want to buy it again yeah yeah I've
embraced the digital subscription thing and I
download what I need so I can listen offline
and take it where I want to go And so if they
want to put stuff out there, I just go and download
it. So I'm not going to purchase it anymore.
It's only going to be, and we've had this discussion
before, it's only going to be Anthrax, Armored
Saint, Metallica, Maiden, Roxanne. Bands that
either need my money to keep it going, and I
feel like I keep giving them money, like Armored
Saint with the meet and greets and whatever.
And I told Joey, I'm here because I want you
to keep going, man. He said, I appreciate it.
Yeah. So if they want to put it out there, I'll
just, I'll just, you know, download it for free
for free. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you, Dan.
So yeah, that's, I buy this stuff. Cause I mean,
yeah, your local bands and stuff like that. You
got to support Dan. I mean, plus he's, he's always
helped Victor. You know, he's always been good
to Victor. So I'll help anybody who's good to
Victor. I'm going to, I'm going to buy your stuff.
And these dudes, they need some love. But, you
know, if you want to sell albums, though, I think
you got to go back to the old days of the B -sides
of Anthrax putting out that I'm the Man stuff
and Metallica. And if you want to sell, you make
it exclusive to the record. You don't put it
on the subscription. And I, as a fan, love that
shit. And went to hunt it down, you know. That's
why I think the record store day stuff, when
they first started doing it, made sense because
they were doing that. They were releasing stuff
exclusively on vinyl. You had to hunt the store
down where it was available. And if you really
wanted it, you picked it up. Now, of course,
the record store where I'm ordering most of my
stuff, they were smart enough to send me the
record store. They list two months ago and said,
hey, this is coming out in April. Anything that's
in your interest so that we make sure we ordered
ahead of time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some
stuff I'll pick up. But yeah. I'm also kind of
at the age now where I don't want any more stuff.
I've got all the records I bought in my whole
life still. And I've carried them from here to
there. I've got probably a thousand CDs down
there. You know, even down to the real, like,
I haven't necessarily bought their latest stuff
because I just still want more things. Maybe
it's the age for us. As we talked about at the
beginning of the hour, it's normal. You're with
all of us the same. I'm saying this when I look
at Victor there surrounded by things and I hope
you don't think I'm crazy. No, no, no. I have
the CD and I go, where am I going to put this
one now? Where do I file this? I got the other
ones with the under the bed or the under the
closet. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Having said that,
I did buy a couple of records recently. We're
considering upgrading their record player, which
will only lead to more. You got the fix. Yeah.
Anthony, there's a lot of people like that. you
know, with, with streaming becoming a thing that
I know there's a lot of people that have jumped
away from collecting things and owning it and
saying, you know what, I'm already paying for
this service. Why do I need to have this around
this? You know, I can get rid of this and have
more space for something else, you know? So I
get it. Like, like I do find that I bought a
lot of things on, uh, Like Bandcamp, for example.
I buy somebody's album on Bandcamp to support
them. I totally never play it. I will then stream
it. But I bought the album, the digital album.
It's kind of best of both worlds. Yep, yep. There's
an album right over here that's from a local
band. Had the guitarist and vocalist. come to
my house and hand deliver it to me. And I paid
him for it. And I said, Oh, have you listened
to the vinyl? What's the quality like? And I
told him after the fact, I'm like, well, my turntable
kind of sucks, but the digital version on band
cam sounded pretty good. So, so understand 100%.
So. So, well, basically, that's where I am with
reissues. Yeah, yeah, no, that's fine. I mean,
for me, for example, I have the Fastway album,
which was just reissued, and I had that sent
to me from Ireland. There's this one Irish store
that every so often has certain reissues that
other places don't have. And since vinyl has
just become so expensive, now it has to really
jump out at me for me to, to pick it up. You
know, a few years ago it was different. I was
like, Oh, you know, I'll just get all of these.
But now, I mean, when you're looking at like
40 bucks per vinyl and, and I mentioned this
already, I, I bought Injustice for All on vinyl
at Walmart for $26. And it costs, 59 euros here.
The somewhere in time reissue that they just
had was between 60 to 70 euros here. Walmart
was selling it this summer for 26, $29. I ordered
it online and had it shipped to my folks house.
You know, I'm not. I'm not going to spend that
much money. And, and I know that there are people
that are like, Oh, you know, how, how can you
buy from Walmart? How can you support it? Well,
my money, it's my money and how I need to spend
it. Yeah. I mean, ultimately I'm not going to
spend, I'm a consumer. Yeah. $70 for somewhere
in time reissue. I'm sorry. It's a yellow vinyl
and a poster. It should not be 70 euros. Yep.
That's true, man. My question now is how many
people are going to start jumping on like Edgar
Winterson around the next few minutes saying,
wait, the show's over. What's going on? Check
your messages, folks. But anyway, guys, I want
to thank Metal Dan, Anthony Mackie, Brad Dahl.
Any other business. What's that, Anthony? We're
not doing any other business. No, that's it.
We're done. No more business. What other business
do you want? Well, I thought the biggest sort
of rock metal story of the week was the big tool.
I don't know about this. Tell us about this.
So let's do that. You know they're big. their
festival they did in I can't remember the two
day festival yeah that's right and then they
ended up playing four songs the same each night
which for a gig where you had to go both nights
and for a band like Tool you know those aren't
short songs I'd say that's very disappointing.
Now, you know, whatever. I'm not that into them,
but I could see how it would be very annoying.
I'm not familiar. They played Fugo. There's a
class action lawsuit as a result because they're
known for switching up, not playing the same
songs on consecutive nights. So to Anthony's
point, you flew down to the Dominican Republic
to see a two -day festival because you had to
get both days. And they repeated four songs both
nights. They played the same songs both nights?
Just four of them. But as Anthony's saying, those
four songs could actually be a 90 -minute set,
you know. And they played the second night of
the festival. They played four of them. In a
row. Like, could you imagine? That's... But here's...
The weirdest part about all of this, yes, I get
that people are upset because of that. But have
they not been paying attention to what 90 % of...
all the bands out there have been doing for the
last 60 years and just playing the same set list
night after night. I get that tool has always
been set up. Yeah, but this is different. This
is totally different. It's like Metallica doing
their, uh, their two night weekends and imagine
they come out late. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Metallica
wouldn't do that. Well, Then again, much to their
credit, which a lot of people like to crap on
them, they made a point to do that with the 72
Seasons tour is that if you were getting tickets
for both night, you were seeing two completely
different set lists. They weren't repeating any
songs. That's fantastic. Yeah. It's incredible.
Yeah. Get on them. Yeah. No, that sounds like
bad form for Tool. And, uh, but, um, what were
they thinking? Anthony, what did you think of
the whole, uh, mastodon thing? Oh, I, again,
I, I'm not, I don't, I have one. Okay. I thought
you were, I thought you were into them. My bad.
Me too. No, no, I do. I have, I have time for
them. I'm not a crazy fan. And I was very surprised.
What happened with them? They split up? No, one
of their members left. Yeah. They parted ways.
They say it's amicable. But it's, I mean, if
you look at it, it's kind of a big deal. They
kept the same lineup together for 25 years. Yeah.
You know, you think about, you know, a lot of
people say, well, Aerosmith is, but no, well,
Aerosmith actually took a break. Two guys left.
They haven't had Joey Kramer for quite a long
time now as well. There aren't many bands that
have had the same four guys for 25 years. Yeah,
they seemed kind of inseparable. Yeah, but I
think he was kind of the odd guy in the sense
that the other three guys are like huge metalheads
and he's always been like, the resistant one
that didn't want to be like grouped in with metal
bands and stuff like that. But you're not exactly
releasing opera music, you know, you're, you're
opening for Metallica and iron maiden. And, you
know, I, I, I don't get the reluctance that you're
playing heavy music yet. You go out and say,
well, I'm not a fan of heavy metal. Well, why
are you playing a, detuned heavily distorted
guitar and you're doing guttural vocals that
isn't exactly like I mean I don't know what I
don't know I mean his solo music is more in the
vein of I mean it's weird it's a mix of like
country and Hawaiian music and and stuff like
that but I mean I don't know okay I didn't know
that about them Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one
of the knocks that they have is that they started
out like really heavy. And they've said on a
few occasions, like Thin Lizzy is one of their
biggest inspirations, ACDC, KISS, bands like
that. And they've always said, you know, hey,
as time goes by, we're going to get closer to
sounding to these bands more so than getting
heavy again. I got to give them this. And to
me, they have their own sound. I mean, when I
hear them, you know it's them. Yeah. And so I
got to give them that because that's hard to
do and well and be successful. Yeah, and multiple
singers within the band, they don't, although
they have guttural vocals, they also have like
other. vocal styles as well so i mean they've
mixed it up they've had progressive stuff they've
had stuff that's more i don't want to say mainstream
but more like hard rockish and to an extent more
like almost 70s rock i guess um so you're not
gonna find yourself in the shower singing that
um i've i've sung mastodon all over the place
I've even sung them in concert. I've even sung
them in concert. All right. So, yeah, Mr. Borat.
All right. Any other topics you guys want to
bring up before I rudely cut people off again?
It slipped my mind. I'm sorry. I just want to
say that the next time I do anything recording
-wise or that, I want Dan involved as a producer
because he knows how to get things done. He'll
keep us on point. There you go. Well, I just
thought of something. What about this new Metallica
Apple film that's coming out? Yeah. It's shot
on the Vision Pro or, you know, for the Vision
Pro. Yeah, so it's going to be an AR movie, alternate
reality movie. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, it's only
25 minutes long. It's like a... I don't know
who's using who in this case, whether it's Apple
using Metallica to sell Vision Pros or... No,
it's Apple. I read it was 100 % Apple. They approached
Metallica to do it. And see, this is where, again,
we talk about older fans with disposable income.
I don't know of too many Swifties that could
get every copy of vinyl of... whatever reissue
that she's doing is a lot cheaper than getting
somebody to fork over a $3 ,000 vision pro, you
know? Um, yeah. So it's. That said, I would love
to see it. Yeah. And that's, that's the thing.
I think you'll, you'll be able to see it. like
on your, uh, like on your phone or an iPad and,
and you're theoretically able to see the alternate
reality, um, almost like a hologram in 3d over,
over the screen, over your phone or tablet screen,
but it's not the same as the vision pro obviously.
Um, I mean, I think I, listen, I think that I
think a lot of the, alternate reality glasses
and and all that stuff that they're working on
sounds neat in theory it's just that price tag
is just way out there for me to say you know
what i'm just gonna spend three grand just to
see this cool concert you know as cool as it
is again i have to win the lottery to do that
you know it's one of those things It'd be nice
to be able to rent one for a night watching Metallica
thing. That's got to be a thing, doesn't it?
I mean, there's got to be somebody who's doing
something like that. Yeah, it must be. The problem
there, too, you look at the other glasses, though,
like the Metaglasses or the... There's others.
I don't remember all the names, but there's a
few others that are... been around for longer
and more popular than the Apple one. I mean,
there's still 300, 400, 500, depending on the
resolution and, uh, and the other just different
accoutrements that it comes with. That's still
a lot, you know? So I don't know. I, right. That's
the thing. So. We'll have to figure it out. We'll
have to do a search. How many people will end
up going to an Apple store just to check it out?
That's a good idea. Let's do that. Let's all
go together. Cool. All right. This time for real,
folks. No. No cutting anyone off. No, nothing.
We're done. We were, we've we're spent. Um, thank
you. Metal Dan. Thank you, Brad. Thank you, Anthony
Mackie. Thank you to the five people that were
watching this live. Uh, and thank you to, uh,
everyone who checks this out afterwards. And,
um, yeah, we'll see you next time. Right here
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