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This is Eric Kluber and you're listening to Victor Ruiz on signals from Mars

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He's back not the man behind the mask not

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Cooper it is Eric Kluber person that's been on the show the most

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At least him and John Bush have been on the show the most how about that?

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Cool to hook up with Eric again and a great conversation as always with mr. Kluber that is up

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So as mentioned at the beginning it is awesome to have Eric back he was on episode number one

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He's been on I

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Don't know how many shows every time that he's released something more or less

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Whether it's been white wizard

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Gypsy Hawk iron not

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And society one he's been on the show to talk about his projects

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Still with society one

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Doing some stuff with white wizard as well. So we're gonna get into that

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Shortly and

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Again, he's always been great to the show. He's always

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Brought about a great conversation always fun to talk to I've talked to him a bunch over the years

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offline

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offline via

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Facebook and stuff like that. He also gives lessons. So that's something that we didn't bring up this time, but I know that

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That he does that frequently he actually recorded the interview from his

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practice space where he does give people classes, so if you do want to

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Hook up with Eric for guitar lessons. He is available

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Also one to mention real quick always bang the drum on

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Patreon and all that stuff and how you guys can support the show via merch or Amazon links or all this stuff for that stuff

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started signing up to some

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Different accounts on patreon just to see what other people are doing and also to show support to other shows that I love

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Not to toot my own horn, but that's

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What that means is that I try to deliver as much as possible on patreon

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I try to give people I always think of the old kiss analogy

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We were putting the band together and trying to give people the band that we wanted to see on stage

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dot com and that's pretty much it folks. Thanks for joining me today

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Let's get on with the interview with Eric

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Welcome everyone to the latest episode of signals from Mars. I'm your host Victor and joining me today

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The guy that's been on the show the most times out of anyone. It is mr. Eric Kluber. He was

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Guest number one and he's here on episode. This is gonna be

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406 I think so awesome. You're getting up there, dude. Yeah. Yeah 15 years. So

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Oh, yeah, good to see you Victor. Yeah, good to see you too

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Eric Eric has always been a friend of the show since since day one and you know

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Anytime that I can have him back on and just talk some music talk some metal. It just all works out

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Yeah, it's been a couple years. Thanks for having me back on and got some things happening in the near future that

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You know wanted to talk with you about

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Okay, cool. The the first thing that kind of jumped out at me

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a few months ago, we kind of talked online about this where

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Announcement related to a vinyl that's over here on my shoulder. I see it. Yeah, no one saw that one coming including me

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Go ahead white wizard white wizard. Yeah, I've been jamming with white wizard

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White wizard. Yeah, I've been jamming with John and Chad again and

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It happened almost a year ago where Chad reached out to me and asked if I'd be interested in jamming with John things are cool now

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so we did and we met up in North Hollywood and

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Roll through a couple over-the-top songs, you know, and maybe high-speed GTO and

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they didn't know neither of them knew that like I've been sober for years now and

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That was something that they were kind of like tiptoeing around and see they didn't know where I was at if I was full-blown

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Like Chris Holm style or if I would what what was going on?

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You know if I still had it together and so that kind of took that took one of the big

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Problems that that band had, you know, and it just wasn't an issue at all. So like the fact that

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well, we can just jam and

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which we always just jam, you know, but like

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That was something they were worried about and for them to not even have that in the equation

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possible like renditions of the band and

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You probably saw the video that we were looking for a singer, right? Right and

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We'll do that. But so we're moving forward and there's some

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That's what's up with white wizard. So me jamming me. John and Chad are jamming

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Are you guys looking the right material?

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Right now, right now, I think it's safer to say shows first and then see what happens

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I'd really like to see it go back and write some music and music like the three of us were obviously part of the over-the-top lineup

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And that style of white wizard, it's gone through so many band members and so many

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I would love to write music in that vein. So I hope it does go there

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That's where we're at right now

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Given that there isn't really it doesn't seem like there's the same emergency on on your end either the band's end to really need to go out and do additional stuff beyond that

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I always like to see things go further

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It's just not it's whatever's realistic. That's what we have to work

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People are spread out lives

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Like I swear everyone's life in general in the world is more complex than ever getting people

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What opportunities are really out there?

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It's always kind of talk until it really happens, right? And then uh on our end we'd have to

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What the best thing is concentrate on at the beginning?

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So yeah, the world of rock and roll is so

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Unstable, let's see where it's happening

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I mean, it's still it's still in the stages of we get together and and we jam and we've been jamming with different people

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consistency for things to move forward and and

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Being realistic about things right? Yeah

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And instantly they're already thinking well, you know, we're gonna be touring this and we're gonna be doing that

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So you can talk all day long with your ideas and you can try and go in that direction

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So to get too far ahead of yourself

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Is you're just kind of talking shit? Yeah, and how hard is that if you've got people coming at you like promoters or different people?

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Trying to get you guys to hook you in to do a tour or to do this or to do that

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You know do do well, that would be cool. I mean everyone it's on every end like

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No one seems to commit like promoters and then you have like various industry people

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Uh, you you could just like line up lock in a bunch of dates that you can work towards and everyone's like

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And and and then from there then you take it from there regarding tour album and all that. Yeah

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The old talking metal forums where we met metallica's washed up. They're only playing festival dates in europe

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Bang your head or or keep it true, you know playing

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Is the only thing that they can do both realistically because of what they have going on in their in their daily lives and also

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It's it's good enough without having them overextend themselves from an economic standpoint as well

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Yeah, well it all ties together. This is where everyone's at in life. I mean I really loved being

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That's not there. That's not the way things are at the moment

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You know try to move as close towards that as possible and that's why at the moment i'm doing multiple projects and it's kind of like

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Like i'll take every opportunity and then you take everything

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with a grain of salt realizing we're going to do the best we can with this band, but

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Um, don't just limit yourself to that, you know, right?

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You know try i'm trying to get a couple things to float because while this band

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Is not doing anything then i'll work on this project and that's the reality of things at the moment

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But it's been like that for a while, especially for you know, because between

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You know, you've always kind of been in multiple projects at the same time for the most part

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I mean for I mean I kept going from project to project. I really don't like it. I don't prefer it

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But that's how things have panned out. Yeah

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You know like society one was down for the last year at when matt was working on his new movie that we'll talk about soon

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That's seeing about to see the light of day in a couple weeks here on thunder flicks

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Um, i'm maybe getting back together with the overloaded guys during that time, you know

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I like let's this is a great opportunity to do a show and then at the same time out of nowhere white wizard

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Reached out to me and I was like great timing. Yeah, you know and um

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So whatever project like rears its head and if the timing makes sense

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Um, you know, i'll go for it and just try and make some shit happen. I do think it's

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Real important to constantly be moving

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And just still remain active like it's so easy to just sit back and then years fly by

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You lose all your chops

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You don't even know how to step on a stage or like get your gear working. I mean shit

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Actually, i've been like working on like um a bunch of different projects

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I've been like working on like, um a bunch of different gear setups

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Like working with a lot of amp modelers and just trying to get them to sound good because like doing fly-in shows with void vader

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um, but anyway

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Like it would be a lot better to go there and and have some sort of transportable

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Amp modeler that I can like plug directly into the pa or plug into a portable power amp or run it through the effects

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There's a lot of options. All right

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Just have a consistent good sound rather than just borrowing an amp that may or may not work

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so um

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That's like a realistic thing that a lot of people are doing now since so many shows are one-offs and you got to fly out

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but during that time you got to kind of like

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Work on these there's on these different modelers and try and get a sound that's like as good as my old marshall

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That was great, but I can't

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Bring on a plane or became

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Um unreliable unfortunately one tour that really broke my heart, you know

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Like the days not touring with a like in a van and trailer

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At this at this second

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real quick another thing that got me thinking about like

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Just trying to rework my rig

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Was when society one did the tour with static x

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And none of the bands had a physical amp and cabinet

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And so they just like show up and they're in everyone's in like different transportation

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Situations a couple guys some bands are on a bus

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Some bands are in a bandwagon and we're in the van and trailer

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and then uh society one where the opening band

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Like all the props are on the stages and and there's there were some there were a couple shows where there was no room for our amps

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We had to figure it out like the amp was basically where the where the security guards are standing

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You know, uh the balancers whatever you want to call. Yeah, or like on side stage or like jimmy couldn't even bring his bass really

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He'd have a uh, he's our bass player society one

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so and then like

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Using the real amps and then like we're using wedges everyone else had like amp modelers and in ears

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So like that's the reality of a lot of shows aren't even set up for like analog amps anymore

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Right or if they are it's like a big pain in the ass

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So i've been investing time and like trying out different like i got a line six. I got it amp the tube like

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I got a tone x pedal. I just got I haven't even had a chance to dig into

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Like I got some friends that have the cortex. Um, some other people have the kemper

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What else the the fractals I got a neighbor. I just played on his

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Fractal which like blew my mind. I was like, oh my god, like it wasn't but he worked on his satons, you know

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Right. Hope i'm not boring you but I that's like stuff that i've been

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um putting effort and energy into that kind of keep you relevant or creative and like just still

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Working with music, you know

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Like like finding tone it took me so long to find a good tone like years and years when I was a kid

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You know you start with like a practice amp and like I had like an amp that didn't even have built-in distortion

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You know, right and then you get your first distortion pedal. It still doesn't sound like master of poppets

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You know and so, you know you got your and then you finally get your first half stack. Mine was a crate solid

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Yeah, yeah real tinny. My buddy had a marshall and his was like it was an old marshall

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I think it was like a jmp

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Like his sounds so much thicker and fuller and warmer and nicer like mine is more shrill and

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Painful, right? So like oh two amps. Yeah. Okay. That's the way to do it

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You don't even know this stuff back in the day, right when you know, I was a kid

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I think I think there's a lot more like with youtube and people talking

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Um, there's a lot more knowledge out but now that the big thing is I mean those two bands are big

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They're really heavy. They're very they break the tubes

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Um, I did have some issues the tubes on my marshall last time that like I think I bought a shitty set of tubes that like

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Crapped out on me on a show like you replace the old tubes that need to be replaced with a new shitty set that

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Got ripped off. I think unfortunately

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Anyway bought some like boutique tubes, but I think they were used and I think they were on the end of their line

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Right, they're really backfired on me

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Um, I just shit the bed like in during a gig and those dudes got all pissed off about it

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It's like but anyway, yeah, man

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Um, so like this chasing of the tone and then I went through a mark four. Um,

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which is the metallica amp like that was in the 90s like 95 and um

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That was great. I had that for a while and then you know my buddy and I he he

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Actually, it's a bass player somebody we were jamming with and when I was in this band in detroit called inner recipe and he had

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the marshall jcm 800

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And I was like what this sound what this is this is you know, I couldn't it was better than my mesa boogie mark four

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This the distortion sound and so I went it was like fate

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I went to a pawn shop and there was one there for like five hundred dollars and I still have that amp

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Here in this blue case. Oh wow. And um now it should be good

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Actually, I did jam with it with the white wizard with john and chad one day. They're like there's the marshall. There's the sound

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There it is and it is like you just I plug right into this and that's the sound

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it's

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and by itself, it's like

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um

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This doesn't sound it's like in a band setting like the tone just cuts through and it's so nice and thick

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But like perfect. It's incredible. It's it's weird how that happens with me, but it took me like

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Like years and years to find that you know, and that was so good for so long

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And it was on like the white wizard record. It was on the gypsy hawk record. Um

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Let's see on void vader's record. I don't think void vader. I think we did use it for um the stranded album, but

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When we did the other two albums we used like oric wild had an amp and then michael

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Uh, he had some amps

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Okay, but anyway, the marshall was really cool, but then it became unreliable

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And I think that was just bad tubes, but then that happened twice

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And then that got me all freaked out like I can't rely on this and then so I got an angle

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But then I went on the road. I'm like we're an opening band

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So I've been working on amp modelers. Yeah, so like always was like

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Working on shit to make stuff better. So you just can so you can still play

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Anyway, that's a trip down

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tone world

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Well, that's cool first band I was ever in everyone had crates as well. So I I know what you're talking about was

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Uh early 90s. It was what people could afford when they were starting to play

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So you had your crate full stack, you know, you thought you were big

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And then like you said, you know the guitar started getting

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um, you know other stuff I remember the guy was playing with cotton ampeg because

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Brian may use an ampeg and so on and so forth. So yeah, I hear you

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So yeah, that's what's up, bro

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Yeah, uh, you mentioned society one. I will say that I signed up to uh thunder flicks

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Uh, just cool just because I saw that the uh, the documentary was coming out

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And I was like, all right, i'll give this a shot

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You know, it seems like it has a lot of content that i'll i'll watch so I would think that you dig it a lot

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Did you see some of the other uh movies they have coming out as well?

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Um, I haven't seen that I I did check out for example, uh, the kitty documentary which isn't available in europe

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So I was after that

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Uh for a while because i've i've actually interviewed all four members of the current lineup

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All right

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I was interested in in seeing that when I was in gypsyhawk. We played london canada

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Okay, and two of the girls of kitty came out the drummer and the singer. Yeah, the two sisters. Yeah

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Yeah, I thought that was really cool. Yeah, yeah

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That show so it was when we toured with ale storm and then for some reason warbringer was on that show

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Okay, and they played before us

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Uh, anyway, just like sometimes it happens where like two tours

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Combine and uh, then you have like a super show that happened to us in houston

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And orange goblin was on tour with holy grail

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So it was like us and valiant thor downstairs

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and then holy grail and um

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Orange goblin you said goblin was upstairs. Yeah, so it was like that particular night

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They had two shows that combined them as one so so that show like I said warbringer was on the tour super thrash

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pirate metal

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Like we called ourselves boogie metal and then the girls from kitty came out

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Yeah, it was like that was pretty cool man. Like out of nowhere london canada. Yeah. Yeah. Yep

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Cool. Yeah, man, and um

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So you were talking about yeah, because the kitty documentary and I was checking out

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Uh, I was checking out thunder flicks last night and they have some like you said is for heavy metal fan

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It's pretty cool. So it makes sense that they'd be uh, like hosting the

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Society one movie that matt's been working on for the last year

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Yeah

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Um, what's your involvement in that documentary? I'm assuming that you appear in it at some point. I appear in it. It's minimal

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Okay, like i'm in the band now

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right and i'd say

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First of all, I haven't seen the movie. I've seen

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I saw the trailer

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I saw the trailer and which I assume you have too and I saw one trailer before that and then matt

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Sent me some unreleased footage

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That he must have worked into the movie which was pretty which was pretty cool like um

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That was but that was like 10 minutes of it. So I haven't seen the movie either

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So I have an idea of what it's about

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And um, which is about society one

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but like um

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and they were like matt's an extreme guy and

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He's like pretty he's pretty competitive

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so like even in hedonism and like

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You know backstage antics and all the bullshit like that

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People love in like from the dirt movie or the dirt book

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You know, he was like full fledge full bore

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And like his background is is um

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You know, he started off in porn. Yeah, and he started directing porn movies. His father was a porn director

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from like kind of back in the day

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When I say back in the day like the 70s the 80s and I don't know his whole history, honestly, but like

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He comes from a very different background

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Right and matt came out here and went to musicians institute. He's a guitar player

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I'm not a lot of people know that I don't even know if he'll mention that in in the movie, you know, right?

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it's funny like he's

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You know like he gets really focused on on

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What he's interested in he might not even mention that or care to mention that I think it's cool

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He went to mi and he's like an accomplished guitar player

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And so he let he writes a lot of the music and the riffs and stuff like that

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I don't know if anybody even knows that but um

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So moving on the movie the movie like it's gonna be pretty wild in society

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One was a really wild rock and roll sex drugs rock and roll band from from back in the day in it

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And even back in the early to late 90s early 2000s got them in a lot of trouble

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And I got a lot of people that were associated with them in a lot of trouble

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This is before cancel culture

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right, and so it kind of put a bit of a

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um, like a dark horse a black cloud like

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Like a pariah like society one kind of like being associated with matt like

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People were um scared to associate with them and and still are in some senses

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So the movie will drag into that and then like there's been a lot of people working against him

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He's pissed a lot of people off. He's made a lot of enemies, you know and

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and like

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It's that's just the reality of life. And so there's some people that have um

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A bone to pick with him and have basically tried to keep them down, you know, they've done everything in their power to to not

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Allow him or whatever society wanted to get some opportunities or to get thrown off some things, you know

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Which is how this industry works a lot is super small

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So if the gatekeepers get pissed off at you if they team up against you

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That shit's a reality and I think you'll go into that

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So even like the movie coming out he had a damn near impossible time

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getting anyone

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A pr company to sign up to promote the move

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And it's like a business thing and they all said no, no, no, no, no, which I don't I don't

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I don't know exactly why but that's another example

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Because like to me like nothing is even possible to be shocking, you know

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like you can go on youtube and I watch documentaries about anal con and gg allen and

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This is on you can go to tubi. You can go to mainstream platforms and and see all kinds of shit like

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There's different types of censorship where like you'll watch like police videos and they'll censor the gunshots

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There's words that those so there's like it's a never-ending

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flow of what is censored and whatnot

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But as far as subject matter goes, I'm like I was really shocked that company after company refused

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to take on matt's movie, but it's another real life example of

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people being

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scared

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Or don't want to or it's like out of animosity

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Or you know, like there's people there's people there's people there's people there's people

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There's don't want to work with society one. He's definitely up against things time and time again

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so

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It'll be interesting. The movie is coming out. I think it's coming out the 14th of february

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valentine's day, what a beautiful holiday to release

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And uh, i'll watch it that day, too

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And we should we're gonna be having a release thunder flicks is gonna have a release for it

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once again

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Because rock and roll is it's just like a fly by the seat of your pants

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Industry or like I don't even like the word industry. Okay, it's not even an industry. It's a thing. It's like a force

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All right, okay any any like there is no industry. It's all destroyed. It's crumbled, you know, it's like

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everything is guerrilla warfare and

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like um

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so

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That is being determined and there will be a it'll a venue and a date and I can't announce either

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It's coming very soon

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All right. I hope i'm able to make it

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Right, I hope i'm in town

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like

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So but i'm really stoked about it and thunder flicks looks really fucking cool. So yeah

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Like i'm really i'm glad he found

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a company that was

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Willing to release it matt has released

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um like a cool movie one was

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um about their bass player dirt and it's a story of his life I last I watched it on

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YouTube so I assume it's still there

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But I know that matt wanted to have it like he wants to see this thing be pushed

449
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,120
You know, I mean everyone can release anything diy

450
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,440
And he put a shit ton of work into this, you know

451
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,560
You should talk to matt sometime like he'll he'll go into it

452
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,960
I can't tell you what he went through but I know he took a year off to put this movie together

453
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
He'd been compiling footage his whole life

454
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Right and and you know your original question. What's my role in it?

455
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,080
I was a guitar player in the last we went out on tour with static x in

456
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,160
2023

457
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,880
Um static x fear factory dope and mushroom head was on quite a few of the shows, too

458
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,320
That's my role, you know

459
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:59,840
Which is actually pretty minimal i'm i'm dude. I'm i'm the guitar player now and we are working on some new music

460
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,440
Which is great. That's what I like to do. I like I like to be parts of original bands

461
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,240
I like to write music. I like to help shape the music if I hear something that could be better

462
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,400
I like to

463
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,800
To present something a riff an idea an arrangement solos

464
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,280
What have you I like to be part of that, you know the more the merrier. I love the idea

465
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,680
Of like the organic but everyone in the rehearsal room someone comes up with a riff the drummer starts playing the beat the singer starts singing something

466
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,720
You know, i've had that happen in the past. That's not how things have worked

467
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:41,200
Everything is more like on the you know, like individual, you know submitting tracks through email balancing ideas back and forth

468
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,840
Whatever the process is i'm there to like to help contribute it and then also

469
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,760
like

470
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,800
well

471
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:58,640
It's it's matt's like matt will start this and then i'll offer some ideas or i'll offer some ideas and like maybe he'll be like

472
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Like that one don't like that one. So it's every band every project is different

473
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,280
You know, I might have and my like the the song um

474
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480
Oh my god, like the video we shot

475
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Jesus christ help me out man. You might have to cut this part out. I hate having brain fronts like this

476
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Can you help me out victor what was the name of the single we released fight within thank you

477
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Okay on the fight within I um

478
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:32,240
But yeah, my contribution to that was a guitar solo because I got we're recording this song next week

479
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,640
And I sent him some ideas good. I like that. You know

480
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,760
That was and and then we went into the studio and we recorded

481
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,520
um, and then we went into the studio and we recorded

482
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,040
Um, and that was it and then I heard it one way what I recorded the solo over and then what ended

483
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:56,160
Up that I was playing over was totally different. So that was a shock that was and it turned out well. It was I was like

484
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,280
Um, I was expecting like rhythm guitar underneath it all it was like drums and guitar

485
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,280
Yeah, cut out, you know, which just pretty rare for songs to do that

486
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,480
I thought that was really creative kind of ballsy. I mean the net the guitar solo is just naked

487
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,120
You know normally when you're you're riffing and writing a solo you're kind of working with the rhythm

488
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,680
It's kind of part of it. They meld together

489
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:23,760
And a solo is written for the rhythm and the whole vibe and then to change that and have it just be stripped down

490
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,920
That was very shocking

491
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,720
And then there was like a song that we were working on that I think might be in the movie

492
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,480
And then like I came up with a riff that I thought was going to be

493
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Over the chorus and then he took the riff and then he made it its own part

494
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,680
I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's really cool. So this is a different way of like

495
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,440
how

496
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
From what I'm used to writing

497
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,640
and and uh, I like it and it's it's always like really quick. It's always like

498
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,360
Nothing's going on

499
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
All right, and then life is so complicated that

500
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Hey if I

501
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,800
If I if um, there's a need for it, I'll I'll I'll work on it, but I'm not gonna waste my time

502
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
You know, like life's just too busy, right?

503
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,040
If I'm gonna write 20 ideas in the vein of something that aren't gonna see the light of day

504
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,520
That's that's not a good use of time. But then all of a sudden now we need a bunch of stuff, you know

505
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,840
So it's like that's how it always is like you'd like in a perfect world

506
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,280
You'd like to just reach back into this idea vault and just pull this stuff out like well, fortunately

507
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,000
I got this this this which song do you want? You know, but it's everything is awesome

508
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800
Everything is always a rush always

509
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,480
And and that's how it's always has it always been well, that's how it is now. I can tell you that

510
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,000
You know, it's like there's nothing going on. Oh, we need we need a song like and all of a sudden

511
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:58,160
You're just like you shift everything and your focus and and you just try and make something as cool as you possibly can

512
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,600
Within the time limits that you are given

513
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,320
You know the deadlines and so that's not how the rock and roll story is

514
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,600
You know the rock and roll story is like you're constantly

515
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560
Writing and and then once you're ready

516
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Once you're ready you're you go in this fuck. No, you're never read

517
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,080
right, and you always pushed and

518
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,720
But I will say this like that's

519
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:29,920
You know that seems to be just the way that things happen when when you are given this endless timeline

520
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920
It always gets procrastinated

521
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:39,600
It always gets watered down and by the time it comes out it sucks and the most you know, the most

522
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,720
Simple example is like the guns and roses record that came out a million years ago

523
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,040
But it took a billion years to write and then when it finally came out everyone was disappointed

524
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,480
You know and it'd be written and been rewritten like 20 times. That's like the most

525
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:01,520
Simple example I can give of that but this it happens in all bands and like they just never get or they never get around

526
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,360
To it when we're gonna release the album all when we're ready. It just never happens

527
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,520
You kind of you have to have a fire to get this shit done

528
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,720
It happened with gypsyhawk where we had a lot of the album written and then all of a sudden

529
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,840
I mean things happen in bands. Eric just took off

530
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Eric Harris, uh, and then like

531
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,840
I mean I didn't there was like two songs that I didn't think were done, you know

532
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,520
And so me and Andrew and Ian got together

533
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:36,080
And it's so like galaxy rise. One of the examples was the intro of galaxy rise rise

534
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,960
It was just like this riff that do that. It just did it like four times

535
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,280
It was boring. Just like that's like that's not done. That's like and so we we wrote this build up

536
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,840
And I'm glad we did, you know, but we had to we had like we were leaving to record in in a couple days

537
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,600
you know

538
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,600
and so um and

539
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,840
That's an example of like

540
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,840
Finishing something, you know not in an ideal situation like it and it worked out

541
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,760
It is kind of cool when it does kind of inspire

542
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,520
some some different aspects of your mind or

543
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:20,480
You're playing or you're you're writing, you know, I know everything can backfire. You can you could be short selling yourself

544
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Maybe it would be better if you had infinite time. I guess everything would be

545
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,760
But it but it isn't that's not how it's not how shit works

546
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:34,480
Yeah, it was interesting. I watched the video earlier this week where kirk cam it was explaining how

547
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,800
He records his solos and he used and he said flat out

548
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,280
He goes usually my songs are not that good

549
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,280
And he said flat out he goes usually my first three to four takes are the best

550
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,120
he goes because once I start to take the solo apart and

551
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,800
Uh start to analyze the song he goes kind of the fire the spark that you wanted to make

552
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:03,760
Something really exciting. It kind of goes away because you over examine it and you try to do it over and then over and over

553
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:10,800
So it reminds me of what you're saying there with like the gnr stuff and and other stuff where you take too long with it

554
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,080
You you think about it too much and it just

555
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,280
The spark is gone by the time. Yes. Yeah, there's there's a lot of validity to

556
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,280
Writing things of where you're at at that time

557
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,040
I never used to really appreciate that and maybe when you're younger you just are who you are

558
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,560
and you haven't had a chance to go through any sort of stages or

559
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,120
You just got popped out a little bit ago. You just learned how to play a couple minutes ago and like

560
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:44,720
So yeah where you at as as an artist now, you know, like that's kind of part of the art is just like, all right

561
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,080
Let's do it. Let's not take forever and then overthink it then, you know, re-edit and edit

562
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,640
It's like let's let's this is a presentation of what's happening this second. So though I I um

563
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,040
I respect that more now because that's how that's how shit happens

564
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,200
Yeah, the fight within we were talking about it before we started recording

565
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,960
It's a song that for me it gets stuck in my head

566
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,120
and

567
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Once I start to hear like matt's voice or I start to hear like

568
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Your solo in my head

569
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,480
It's something that I need to listen to and it's not that I need to listen to it once

570
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,280
I need to listen to it a bunch of times and then it's finally like out of out of my system

571
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,320
But I mentioned this to you off air

572
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,880
It's a song that has the right amount of heaviness has the right amount of musicianship to it

573
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,520
And it just makes you think well, why wasn't this song bigger than what it was?

574
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,800
I mean it delivers on so many levels at least to me personally

575
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,760
Yeah, um, it's a great song it's funny it's a very pretty song which

576
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Is not what society one is?

577
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,560
known for or like there's so many aspects

578
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:06,160
To matt's writing society one in general. It's been around forever. It has a huge back catalog that song in particular

579
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Yeah, I think it's a great song and I think the video looks really cool, too

580
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,800
Yeah, I directed the video. There's some cool lighting effects. There's a whole aesthetic to it

581
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,600
It's just like a performance video in a warehouse

582
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,720
But it looks cool and like the song itself you get a good vibe about it

583
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,640
You know, it's I consider songs like that to be a ballad

584
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,080
I was hoping we were gonna do it live on the road, but it it didn't it didn't get put in the set, you know

585
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,880
I bought for that song. I borrowed a friend seven string guitar

586
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,160
And I wrote this solo on a six string guitar, you know, but it's in B

587
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,160
You know, it's a regular set of songs

588
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,160
And then I bought a seven string guitar like matt had a seven string guitar that he wrote on it

589
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,520
But it like sucked so I was like I can't play this thing live, you know

590
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,520
It's like cutting my hands up. You know, it was like a super cheap jackson or something

591
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640
So I got one

592
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,680
But we like we have been working on the most recent song that he sent me a seventh string

593
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Well, so maybe you'll see the light of day. At least it is in the demos and shit

594
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,560
Okay back to the song. Yeah, it's a great song

595
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Guess what people don't even fucking care about music anymore. That's what's interesting. You can write an awesome song

596
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,400
But who's playing it? Nobody

597
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,520
Check it out on youtube. The video is awesome. Listen to it on your streaming platform

598
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,600
You know buy the mp3 if you want but like what are people doing? I don't know like music

599
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:34,480
Is I love it, you know, and I know some people really do too when we played live people

600
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,040
Who most people had no idea?

601
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:43,040
Who the fuck we were and they loved it. It was cool. They were getting engaged when we played live

602
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:50,000
We'd go matt and I would go back to the merch booth and people would come up and and selling a cd is i'd say

603
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Probably the souvenir of it, you know, because you can I do it all the time

604
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,200
You know if there's a band I really like and especially if it's the lineup that i'm like

605
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,920
This is the lineup that recorded the record

606
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,720
I buy the cd um or the album whichever

607
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,160
Really albums take up so much space. I just I just like the cd and have them sign it and it's cool

608
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,200
It's a cool momento. It's really rad. I think

609
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,880
But do I need it? No, I listen to it on spotify, right? You know, that's my platform

610
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,560
Whatever your shit is, dude, you know, whatever it is

611
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,320
So so it's a great song. It's awesome

612
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,680
And yeah, I would think that people would dig it. It's actually it's a very pretty song, you know

613
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Like it's actually really commercial if you ask me super mainstream, you know good heavy sounds good

614
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,760
It's like the production is fucking awesome. Yep, you know, he's

615
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,600
I recorded that wasn't done just like in

616
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Like your fucking bedroom or anything, you know, and it was mixed by I believe a guy named zeus

617
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,880
Mixed it

618
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,840
Who's like got a huge name and yeah the production world is great, but like

619
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:06,800
You know, I think matt even said like he was he was expecting more he did that and a song called god to you

620
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,800
We shot two videos, right?

621
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,280
And in like the response to them was like not chart topping and it wasn't you know, it was like

622
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,920
Underwhelming for his expectation. So

623
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,920
I'm glad it's there. You know, like I think it's like

624
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:27,840
I'm glad it's there. You know, like it's out there. And what's cool is that if people want to listen to it

625
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:33,760
They can always listen to it and it's it's uh, more modern like it's not a song from 20 years ago

626
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,240
we're gonna be writing music now, but like

627
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,800
One of the reasons that matt's doing the movie is he's like people aren't

628
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,760
They don't fucking care about music

629
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,880
Not you know, not to the extent of it really making waves

630
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,680
If metallica and the rolling stones can write a song release a song and no one gives a shit

631
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,040
Then why are they gonna release?

632
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,040
They're not gonna give a fuck about your song either, you know, and and that's kind of a black pill attitude

633
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,360
You know, I get kind of like frustrated with it. I'm like, but you're a band. That's what you do. You write music

634
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,400
You release music. That's what you do. You can complain about it all day long

635
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,400
but

636
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,400
That is a reality, you know

637
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,080
Yeah, people aren't the numbers aren't there. You know life

638
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,280
Is a very numbers stats sort of game

639
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,200
and like

640
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,840
If so if like 20 billion streams happened on it, you know, we would then the people picked up on it

641
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,560
You know, that's the algorithms and then actual people paying attention to the algorithms

642
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,280
You know, what's human and what's ai anymore is like very confusing at times

643
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,880
But you get it man. If something gets like a billion streams and more people are gonna oh, what does this have to check it out?

644
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,400
You know whether it's good or whether it's bad, you know, it's like whether it gets those numbers and so

645
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:55,920
Matt's doing the movie because he thinks more people are into movies documentary, you know stuff like he's like really into the shock aspect

646
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,360
You know, I'm like the guitar player, you know, that's that's the shit. I'm into the music and stuff like that

647
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,280
But like I've always been into extreme metal. I've been into like punk rock, you know, I saw anal cunt lives, you know

648
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,560
Um, I I had like gg allen albums before it was you know

649
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,920
I want to say before it was cool

650
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,240
But like back when it was like back in the 90s and shit like I was there

651
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:26,560
When like metal went from like judas priest to death metal the fucking grind quarter like I i've heard it all you know, like

652
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,040
I've seen quite a bit of it live

653
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,520
You know, I definitely would not be down to have shit thrown at me like at a gg allen show

654
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,880
I mean there's like points where things get so fucking stupid that you know, it's extreme, you know

655
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,880
And like I wouldn't see any value in it, but some people really do. Oh my god

656
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,560
You know, like people love that stuff and matt's into the extreme

657
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:55,280
He he's just you know, he does the suspension he which is putting the meat hooks in your skin and hanging from it

658
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,800
You know, and he's got I believe he still has like a pianist book of will records. Um,

659
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,080
award for that and um, he's like he's into theatrics and

660
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,280
And and that's why I was getting back into the movie

661
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,760
He's like almost competitive with his shit like he'd have to explain it

662
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,320
You know, so I can roll with stuff like that. Like I don't I don't get offended you

663
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,200
You can't say shit. Normally. I'm the one that says things that people get. Oh my god

664
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,000
I'm like, what did I even fucking say? I'm the most normal person in the world. I think I'm a fucking idiot

665
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,640
You know, like but then people like I know your opinion is yes

666
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Obscene and so like I'm so I'm cool with it

667
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,240
I'm cool with like Matt whatever he's trying to push or say or and it'll come out in the movie

668
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:47,520
Whatever he's trying to push or say but that being said I think a lot of times in music for society want

669
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,040
As the guitar player I had to dig back this band's been around forever. I had to dig back in the back catalog

670
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,080
You know, because like I'm just presenting. All right. Here's the songs learn them, you know, do your interpretation of them

671
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,120
Which for me I always pretty much like what you hear on the album is what I'm gonna try and convey

672
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,760
I like to do that if the song is good. I don't like I need to rewrite and put my stamp on it

673
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,960
It's like now like if it's awesome, that's how I want to play it

674
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,720
But there does also at the same time there is the reality of like this is a I'm a different guitar player shit

675
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,720
You know, yeah

676
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:26,720
um, like what I'm getting at is uh, there's there's bands that like some bands I think have gone astray and gotten way too

677
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,720
YouTubey guitar player like uh

678
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,720
Shred

679
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,440
Progressive stuff. I'm like, that's not what I'm into man

680
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,160
If you want that like you better get one of those guitar players and some bands paint themselves in the corner because they hire these super shred meisters

681
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,280
That no one can play except the fucking dork studio musicians

682
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,960
I don't even fucking like that stuff. I think it sounds like crap

683
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,560
Um, no one likes it. It doesn't stick in your head

684
00:51:53,120 --> 00:52:00,480
Okay, and I like solos that you can sing along to that are cool and there's a slight element of

685
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:11,200
Technicality to it some not much not much and the stuff that's all so what happened these bands like hire these super shred nerds

686
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,080
And now they painted themselves in the corner because they have to get a guitar player that can only play that shit most guitar players

687
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,720
that can only play that shit are dorks and

688
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:25,760
Assholes and don't even like to tour because they like to just play their guitar in their bedroom and just and just play as fast and

689
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,080
Sweepy shreddy as possible

690
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,480
So you see what i'm saying? Like I am a certain type of guitar player. I have the ability to convey a certain

691
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,320
Sound if that's what you're gonna do. We're gonna have a problem

692
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,360
And we'll don't hire me i'm not the guy for that, you know

693
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,880
So like but it sucks when a band paints themselves in that corner because if they're gonna play their back catalog and people are expecting that

694
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,880
Then they can only have certain type of player

695
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,360
Yeah, so so

696
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,800
But guess what society one doesn't do that. So that's I guess I looked out right or i'm the right guy for it

697
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,480
So going back I already lost what up my train of thought like

698
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,360
I was presented a whole bunch of songs and it's like it's okay. Here's a song

699
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:12,000
It's like on me. I kind of went back over time after I learned the set to what's this band about?

700
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,560
I never even listened to a lot of their shit

701
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,400
Ever actually no, I wasn't familiar with it

702
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,960
I had to go back and research it and then so I found like all these cool songs

703
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,360
Like there's a cool

704
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,360
There's a lot of pretty

705
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:32,400
Ballads and stuff, you know, and then he does he has like some new metal like culture

706
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,320
Chamber shit that i'm not as into that style, you know that was like

707
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,040
You know the new metal rage

708
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,560
Was really big and that is a big part of this of this band

709
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:48,640
But then he has like stuff like super fucking fast. I was surprised. This band is a lot heavier than I thought it

710
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,400
was from like its reputation and what

711
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,200
What they were pushing on like this is like his tune to drop c

712
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,840
You know, we got a couple songs in b, but they didn't use it

713
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,760
That there's I mean, I guess that's a pretty deep tuning

714
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,560
I know there's bands that go look go lower and we can talk about how I think actually bands that go

715
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,760
Some bands that go super low don't sound heavy at all to me

716
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:16,480
Right a lot of the bands that play so fast like black metal doesn't sound heavy to me at all

717
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,320
At all. It sounds proggy. It sounds like you know

718
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,720
Like low tech dream theater, you know, and it's not heavy. I don't at all

719
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,440
to me, you know, so like uh,

720
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,000
So fucking hey, man, there's like it's it's tuned in a heavy tuning

721
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,320
They use a shit ton of distortion, you know, and I was like, yeah, this is fucking heavy stuff

722
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:46,000
You know like it does have the groove that conveys you play it loud and live. It's pretty fucking heavy. So

723
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,840
They have an industrial side

724
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,760
He has it's like new metal cold chamber side

725
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,720
He has some like I don't want to call it

726
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,960
There's some like there's some like pantera sabbath shit in there

727
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Um, we already talked about the ballad side

728
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,680
And then there's like yeah, there's some stuff that's like

729
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:13,120
It's not gonna be death metal. So I but it's not thrash metal, but it's like way faster

730
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,160
Than I thought there's gonna be we're learning a new set because we're getting ready to like play again

731
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,560
There's a song called lord. I'm like what?

732
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,680
This song fucking rules man. This is a great song. It's like yeah, it's great life, you know, and i'm like cool

733
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,920
but like

734
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:35,280
That's like I kind of got a like a ministry thing, which is industrial but then way even more like then it goes heavier

735
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:41,840
And faster. I'm like, yeah, this is this is sick. I like it. So there's a lot of aspects to the music

736
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,120
And um, the music is worth checking out

737
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:51,680
you know as much as like I supposedly people don't listen to music, but I swear people do

738
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,360
People do listen to music. So it's like a give-and-take do people listen to music or don't they? Yes, they do

739
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,800
Is it enough for the mainstream media to give a fuck?

740
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,200
And have people swooping in and like wanting a piece of it

741
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:11,840
Um, because they think if they buy this and they can resell it and make money is it commodity?

742
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,240
Like it was I don't know that it is at all. We'll see though. I mean the idea is there

743
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,920
Like it has value it can't have value. You know what i'm getting at like that's

744
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,680
What an industry is like doesn't have actual tangible value

745
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,920
to where

746
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Like okay, I can I can book this band and people get will come out and then

747
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,200
The band gets this amount of dollars and I get this amount of dollars

748
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,720
That's where things get kind of kind of lame, but that's

749
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,480
Like it becomes a headache. It's very stale like talking about numbers the stats figures it's lame

750
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,680
But that's how some shit works. Um, well, that's how the world works a lot, you know

751
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,760
so

752
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,880
The idea is to get some music out that

753
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,560
Goes somewhere and fucking makes a fire. Um, and

754
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,280
And and and guess notice like yeah, the idea is not just to have like 14 people listen to it

755
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,400
You know, I get it

756
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,720
Because that only has so much value like that only goes so far. It is what it is

757
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,080
It could be a great song 14 people listen to it. That's as far as it goes

758
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,080
if

759
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,560
100,000 people listen to it, it'll go further

760
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,600
It will reach more people and the music itself and the band will physically travel more people

761
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Go further. It will reach more people and the music itself and the band will physically travel more places

762
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,640
More things can happen. They can do more podcasts

763
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Yeah, there you go, um, I think a lot of it

764
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:45,680
Unfortunately has to do with the fact that that the age group that

765
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,880
That we are in and that we're dealing with

766
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:54,800
unfortunately, a lot of people aren't as probably tech savvy as

767
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,640
as they need to be to keep up with bands and other people just

768
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,080
Are too lazy to do it

769
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,960
Okay. Yeah, I see what you're getting at and and there are people who like are set. They're good

770
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,680
Yeah, yeah, right with the music that they have

771
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,280
They know what bands they're going to click and look for I I think the hardest part is finding it

772
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
because there's nothing worse than

773
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:23,280
Wasting your time and going this sucks listen 30 seconds something else

774
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,920
This sucks by the time you did that four times you've already like it saps the energy out of you. It's not

775
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,200
people so I understand how like

776
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,120
City i'm gonna research find some new music. You know, that's like that's like that's like not realistic

777
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,320
That's your job victor and you're supposed to get that to people and say this band is good. Check them out and

778
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,240
Then like so many people do it and then they tell some people

779
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,600
But yeah tech savvy, I guess also too some people like I guess

780
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,800
I

781
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:58,320
Figure it's such basic technology like it's a platform apple music spotify you you too

782
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,600
The fuck doesn't know how to eat know that you too, but um

783
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,360
Maybe some people aren't even into that

784
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,240
but like our

785
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,520
Age demographic. Well, yeah, I mean they're you know, that's

786
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,200
That is what it is

787
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,440
I'd say setting their ways is a good good way to put it and they have you're appealing to people who are setting their

788
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,000
Ways and don't give a shit. Yeah, that's that's pretty tough sell

789
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Yeah, it is what it is

790
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:30,320
Like there could be some I don't know what I can't speak for other people does it appeal to other people other than just ourselves

791
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,040
Are we just playing for because we're dying off literally. I mean people our age are dying

792
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
and like

793
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,960
Is that just it or does it appeal to more?

794
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Young I guess other other people hate even using the word younger. I just sounds that's something old people say

795
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:54,240
This appeals to younger people but like I would think that the music I would hope that the music is cool for people to check out

796
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,480
regardless of

797
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,400
How old they are, you know, right well I see it in my house where

798
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:11,360
you know my kids will listen to a lot of the stuff that i'm listening to and then all of a sudden i'll hear certain stuff coming from their room

799
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,880
You know where they'll check it out and they'll really

800
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,600
Enjoy a certain band. So if you're exposed to certain things, I think

801
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,320
that people of any age

802
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,400
It's possible that that they'll enjoy it. The the problem is that that a lot of people I think you said it perfectly

803
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,160
They're set in their ways. Well, if this isn't if I can't buy a cd, then i'm not going to listen to it

804
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,920
I'm not gonna doubt that you can still buy a cd by the way go buy a cd. That's like a bullshit excuse

805
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
Right. So but but you've got that

806
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,360
You've got people that'll say well nothing good has come out since 89. It's like dude

807
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:54,160
Right. Okay. So I get what you're saying. You're setting your ways as you mentioned, but there's always good music

808
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:01,360
Coming out. I mean we I on my podcast we do a monthly album review where we talk about stuff that

809
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:07,760
Has come out each month that we're that we're into just because we want to keep promoting new music

810
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:13,200
Because that's awesome. You're doing that. That's what it's got to be fun though. Like um, yeah

811
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,320
It's just too much of a pain in the ass and the fact that most people don't even leave their house anymore

812
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,680
And I don't even think that's a generational thing. I think that's across the board like people are like

813
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Just stuck in their little bubble

814
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:32,240
I think it's even harder for them to radio is not playing anything new. That's that's set. That's like a playlist

815
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,240
That's just on repeat

816
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,760
Because that's that's uh, it's market. That's what it appeals to

817
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,960
all these things are just

818
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:47,360
Just platforms that all do the same thing. They just play music. Yeah, so so what else do you have you got podcasts?

819
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,440
You got documentaries see that's where matt was getting into like sometimes

820
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:59,200
You enjoy watching a documentary you get into like this brand is interesting. I'm intrigued. I'll check them out

821
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,840
And so I think that's what matt's gone with the movie society, you know this

822
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Everyone dies the movie out on thunder flex

823
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,280
thunder flicks

824
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,720
February 14th. All right, take your girlfriend on a date

825
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,520
that to that

826
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,640
That was like the worst. Let me do that again out february 14th thunder flicks. Take your chick

827
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,560
There you go. That's better. All right, so like um

828
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:30,400
Yeah, that's you got to get into it. It's got to be interesting like I think a lot of the bands that we were into

829
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,520
You know, we saw them in magazines like oh that's you know

830
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:38,160
You'd see the they looked cool in the photos or the live shots. I had a story about them

831
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Like there was there was a whole there was a whole culture captured our interest

832
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,880
There was headbangers ball to check out

833
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,920
And then from then you take it from there, right?

834
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,680
like

835
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:56,960
So whatever gets people into it. Um, i'd say that for new music. There's not as much

836
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,440
There's there's not as much because people don't have faith in it. You know

837
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,240
They they don't want to spend their time

838
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Promoting something that they feel no one cares about they'd rather write about one of the legacy bands and yeah for me is different because I

839
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Don't want to ever read another article about

840
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,200
I have no interest. It's fucking boring to me, right?

841
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:27,120
So like to each their own I do go see shows and I see people like well attended packed shows

842
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,600
Um for bands that aren't legacy acts and to me that's what's cool. And that's what's fun

843
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,920
You know, but it is what it is like the bands I like tend to

844
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:44,080
Play clubs, which are better shows by the way sing bands and clubs and theaters. That's the experience like

845
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,600
Seeing bands and arenas I think sucks. Yeah

846
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:56,560
But to each their own man people will disagree with me that big time, you know, they're very different experiences. So like yeah even like

847
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,040
Yeah arena shows

848
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,040
Like to me aren't even fun. So

849
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:06,080
But anyway, um, you know, that's the give and take you know what I mean? Like it's it's always best

850
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,720
Oh, I saw him in the club. I saw him in the theater, but then everyone wants them to be huge

851
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,280
Well, do you want to be underground and want to be huge? What's the perfect sweet spot? I mean, it's just

852
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,720
It's just all fluid. You know, it's like whatever works, you know, I just don't like things to be so

853
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,760
I don't like something to be like good and then

854
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:30,800
Go nowhere and then just fall apart because no one listens to it and uh, it can't go anywhere. That's sad

855
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,360
That's really sad. Yeah

856
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,840
So they just work in yeah

857
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,040
A lot of this too, I think has to do with the fact that

858
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,120
You're talking about shows. We're talking about new music and stuff

859
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,760
A lot of it also has to do with the fact that

860
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:51,120
You know, I think it's a lot of people are like, oh my god, I'm so sad. I'm so sad

861
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,480
And I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that um

862
01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:00,880
that people are getting priced out out of a lot of stuff and actually the the discussion of

863
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,320
Like instruments, I remember you were the first person to tell me i'd love to have

864
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,120
uh, a less paul

865
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,640
But in order for me to have one I have to pay

866
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,760
x amount which is so much more than

867
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,120
You know, so you want new generation of musicians to catch on or you want to have

868
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:27,920
Younger people checking out shows but back in the day for us a show may have been five to twenty bucks

869
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,240
Yeah, five dollars for a club show

870
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:35,280
You and me, I think we're around the same age and then 20 bucks for an arena show. Yeah. Yeah

871
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,960
Yeah, talaga colt in 1989 was a twenty dollar ticket

872
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,000
For pavilion so for seats, you know

873
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,480
Yeah

874
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,320
Yeah, man. Um, well check it out like and that's where actually

875
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,720
like

876
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,960
Club shows and upcoming bands make sense

877
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,960
You know when the legacy acts are charging hundreds and hundreds of dollars

878
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:02,400
Which I don't know how anybody affords this because when I talk to people all they do is complain about money and say how fucking broke

879
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,480
They are and then

880
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,880
You know if their music head and they're going to a show

881
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:14,240
They're going to a legacy act show for insane prices that I didn't think you could ever charge for so like

882
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,960
and people like

883
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,840
Thousands and thousands of people are doing it blows my mind, right? Yep

884
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,760
so yeah, if you're into it actually there's a lot of like

885
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,360
like

886
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,360
Seeing upcoming bands is cheap

887
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,680
So that's a great argument for it

888
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:38,560
I'd say like for for kids though the laws like most um, most people most clubs are 21 and up. Yeah

889
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,880
And i'd say that younger people are super broke

890
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,640
You know like zero money, you know, like like back in the day

891
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,400
I feel like younger people had enough money for metal like metal was supposed to be for like

892
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,600
Poorer people it's not supposed to be an expensive boutique thing, you know, right? Right, right

893
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,920
but I

894
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:58,960
anyway

895
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,200
Okay, so budget conscience. Yeah, like seeing upcoming bands is the way to go

896
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,240
even seeing shows at the whiskey is like

897
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:13,600
Like the prices have gone up from back in the day, but still what you can see an awesome show at the whiskey for like

898
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,400
20 30 40 bucks. Yeah

899
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,360
That's reasonable

900
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,520
Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah

901
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,800
That's like a pro club too. That's not a that's not like a diy punk rock, you know, right?

902
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,660
Right 112 inch speaker vocal pa thing. That's not a dvfw

903
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,560
Yeah, man, they even have those anymore

904
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,120
um

905
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,600
Yeah, dude, so so like yeah

906
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:46,560
Money is a thing but I feel like where there's a will there's a way. Yeah, absolutely. They'll find a way to do it

907
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,200
um, also like things change so like

908
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,600
Yeah, I feel like the legacy acts are kind of just like they're just

909
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,760
They know their audience and I think they're gonna ride that into the sun, right?

910
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,000
So if you're with them, what do they call they're gonna just like milk a horse

911
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,960
You know

912
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,800
They're gonna just like keep riding that wave until people don't show up anymore

913
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,360
You know and everyone's like aging out, you know, I'm gonna physically just

914
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Pass away, you know, so like there's there's new people. There's new shit for new people

915
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,840
There's new shit for new people is does it does it all have to be the same age? I don't know. Maybe it does

916
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,920
oh, you know, which kind of fucks us but like

917
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,680
I think there's if you're into music you can get into it and hopefully more people get excited about it

918
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,280
Yeah, so that's and and also that there's like budget wise for music instruments, too

919
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:45,680
Like gibson is like a legacy brand if it's three thousand bucks for a les paul

920
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,520
There's a lot of other instruments out there that are um

921
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,080
As good

922
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:58,160
You know, you know, um for much less money, you know, yeah, you gotta find it. Yeah

923
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,760
Uh, is there anything else that you're working on? Yeah

924
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,840
Yeah, there is there's one thing. Um, i'm jamming with the overloaded guys again and

925
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,640
we're just doing shows I would love for that band to just like write some songs, but

926
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,760
Um, I don't think that's gonna happen. You know, I think they're cool with doing an occasional reunion

927
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,600
It's going to be in detroit and and uh, I got a phone call

928
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,440
Um over christmas break like eric, you know

929
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:33,040
This band uh bridge dropped off the bill of the show. It's gonna be really awesome. A bunch of bands from detroit

930
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,320
Um that were pretty popular in the local scene

931
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,800
In the early 2000s and they want us to take their spot

932
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,480
And these shows are like they're like really well attended that we did one

933
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,200
Last year, they actually like draw

934
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:53,920
They can draw like hundreds of people man, like for a show nowadays. That's not like corporate or something. That's like

935
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,720
That's a really good turnout man, like

936
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,600
People get excited and get stoked. So

937
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,160
overloaded that's a band that I was in

938
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,000
From like 2004 to 2008. It was right before white wizard. It's really

939
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,840
We had like two records out. It's on all the streaming platforms. The band is called overloaded and

940
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,160
We're gonna do a set. We're gonna do a show

941
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,840
And i'm stoked about it. The guys are stoked stoked about it. We did one about a year ago

942
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,960
It went well and this one should be better because that was like knocking the dust off the boots

943
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,840
a year ago

944
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,520
We're gonna do it again and uh at the token la holla andridge is my old stomping ground

945
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,560
I mean, there are a million times i've seen a million shows there. John anton is a great guy who's been

946
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,880
Who's just like a part of detroit

947
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,480
And so I would say if you're from the midwest come out, you know

948
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,040
Like everyone's so bored in life

949
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,000
And like yeah come up to the show

950
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:58,480
Like yeah drive up from ohio drive out from chicago drive out from pennsylvania do it have fun

951
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,320
like have a have a saturday night in detroit like

952
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,000
Uh saturday it is saturday, right saturday march 8th

953
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:08,720
2025 token lounge detroit

954
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:13,520
And and it's overloaded face and blast or not

955
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,080
and we're detroit bands

956
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:17,840
um that

957
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:22,800
Are getting back together and kicking some ass and there's gonna be a lot of people there and it's gonna be a fucking blast

958
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,280
that's another thing and

959
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,880
So those are the three things I got going on right now society one

960
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,680
Picking back into full swing

961
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,440
Matt's movie is coming out on on thursday the 14th

962
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,120
we're like learning a set right now and

963
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,880
Getting prepared and we'll be writing songs too

964
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,720
Just wrote one recently. He's me putting out some videos and shit

965
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,440
white wizard

966
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:50,960
We're jamming

967
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,960
Hope to do a show

968
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,160
Okay, and yeah, those are the three things i'm gonna do

969
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,800
Okay, and yeah, those are the three things

970
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,360
Okay at the moment

971
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:06,640
I'd like to do my own thing dude. It's funny that i've got I do have a back catalog of riffs. They're pretty sick

972
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,400
I I go over that one was brave what the fuck now

973
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:16,240
And it's like kind of like do you just like present them to a band or they fit in with the band that you're jamming?

974
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,160
I mean

975
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:24,160
Iron out was do you remember the band I was in called iron not absolutely the iron not is is similar to uh

976
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:31,440
To what I mentioned about the fight within I can get riffs that you and you were on base there. There were just

977
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,920
based on that one

978
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,960
Yeah, so the thing is like like bands are

979
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:45,200
Bands are fickle band band life the band world is very unstable anything can happen. It can be going great

980
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:51,680
One day it's just gone. There's no safety net and it just collapsed regardless of how long or how short it's been

981
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,880
You've been in it. So it's like pardon me says

982
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,440
Just do your own

983
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,800
Band that's it everything. I mean fucking dave grohl it, you know

984
01:13:01,820 --> 01:13:04,960
Everything that way you don't have to rely on anybody

985
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,520
It's it's on you

986
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,760
But then you know, it's like that i'm doing other shit and there's only so much time, you know, so

987
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,440
One i'd like to get around to do I think it's a great idea to do it. It makes the most sense

988
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:23,200
You know no committees to go through you and your computer write the stuff record it

989
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,280
I'm getting better and better at recording actually

990
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,200
Can send it out to like you can send it out to a guy to get mixed

991
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,880
For a reasonable rate like you can put on hire a drummer, you know

992
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,440
Like I program all the drums, you know

993
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,960
So I mean it's it's potentially as far as a creative process can all be in house, you know

994
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,680
And it's realistic to do

995
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:49,040
But it just and then all of a sudden but i'm i'm doing other stuff. So that's

996
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,760
One day maybe that'll happen

997
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:59,360
Find out maybe next time I talk to you. There you go. That will be the the next time we hook up to to see what

998
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,400
What uh, what's going on in the world of eric kluber? Yeah, dude

999
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,080
My rambling going around the world with my conversations going jumping from topic to topic

1000
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,800
Sorry. Yeah, it's fine

1001
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,800
That's that's that's perfectly fine

1002
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,040
Uh before we wrap things up here can I get you to do?

1003
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,640
An idea. I haven't had you I don't think you've ever done a video id for me. Really? Okay

1004
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:30,320
This is eric kluber and you're listening to victor ruiz on signals from mars

1005
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,160
Excellent eric. I do want to thank you for spending all this time with me today

1006
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,240
And uh look forward to every everything that you talked about

1007
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,040
I mean i'm into every one of the bands that you mentioned

1008
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,000
um

1009
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,400
Even the ones that you let the name slip if eric kluber was a part of it. I think there's a certain

1010
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,760
part of quality associated to at least

1011
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,480
The point in time that you were in those bands, so i'll leave it at that

1012
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,760
Thanks victor. It's always good talking to you

1013
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,200
and real quick, I mean that's the reality of just like

1014
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:12,400
Going from project to project and and having limited time in things and then time moves forward

1015
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,800
And then you realize what was the name of that song? What was the name of that record?

1016
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,840
What was the name of that band? You know, right? I mean it's it makes it seem like you know

1017
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,680
Like you're not invested or don't care about it. But yeah

1018
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,360
Forget stuff and you look like a fool when you forget it. So whatever

1019
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,800
That's that's fine as as as you're mentioning that

1020
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,800
again

1021
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,880
You get certain rifts in your head and you say oh shit. That was fire eater. So

1022
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:45,120
All of a sudden you realize I need to check out that playlist again because I remember digging that so much

1023
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,480
From the first time that you started sending me demos. So

1024
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,760
anyway

1025
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,760
On that note once again, thank you, sir

1026
01:15:53,760 --> 01:16:00,160
Thanks to anyone that's watching or listening to this and we will see you next time right here on signals from mars

1027
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,160
See ya

1028
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:17,520
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1029
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:30,320
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