This is Eric Kluber and you're listening to Victor Ruiz on signals from Mars
He's back not the man behind the mask not
Cooper it is Eric Kluber person that's been on the show the most
At least him and John Bush have been on the show the most how about that?
Cool to hook up with Eric again and a great conversation as always with mr. Kluber that is up
next
I'm ready
So as mentioned at the beginning it is awesome to have Eric back he was on episode number one
He's been on I
Don't know how many shows every time that he's released something more or less
Whether it's been white wizard
Gypsy Hawk iron not
Void Vader
And society one he's been on the show to talk about his projects
Still with society one
Doing some stuff with white wizard as well. So we're gonna get into that
Shortly and
Again, he's always been great to the show. He's always
Brought about a great conversation always fun to talk to I've talked to him a bunch over the years
offline
offline via
Facebook and stuff like that. He also gives lessons. So that's something that we didn't bring up this time, but I know that
That he does that frequently he actually recorded the interview from his
practice space where he does give people classes, so if you do want to
Hook up with Eric for guitar lessons. He is available
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absolutely everything and I've mentioned this a bunch one of the
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Let's get on with the interview with Eric
Welcome everyone to the latest episode of signals from Mars. I'm your host Victor and joining me today
The guy that's been on the show the most times out of anyone. It is mr. Eric Kluber. He was
Guest number one and he's here on episode. This is gonna be
400 and
something
406 I think so awesome. You're getting up there, dude. Yeah. Yeah 15 years. So
Oh, yeah, good to see you Victor. Yeah, good to see you too
Eric Eric has always been a friend of the show since since day one and you know
Anytime that I can have him back on and just talk some music talk some metal. It just all works out
Yeah, it's been a couple years. Thanks for having me back on and got some things happening in the near future that
You know wanted to talk with you about
Okay, cool. The the first thing that kind of jumped out at me
a few months ago, we kind of talked online about this where
all of a sudden there was a
Announcement related to a vinyl that's over here on my shoulder. I see it. Yeah, no one saw that one coming including me
Yeah
Go ahead white wizard white wizard. Yeah, I've been jamming with white wizard
White wizard. Yeah, I've been jamming with John and Chad again and
It happened almost a year ago where Chad reached out to me and asked if I'd be interested in jamming with John things are cool now
And I hadn't spoken with either of them for years
probably at least at least five years and
So they didn't know where I was at but they wanted to get together and see if we could hash things out
so we did and we met up in North Hollywood and
Roll through a couple over-the-top songs, you know, and maybe high-speed GTO and
and I was like interested to jam with the guys at the time and
it went great was just the three of us and
they didn't know neither of them knew that like I've been sober for years now and
That was something that they were kind of like tiptoeing around and see they didn't know where I was at if I was full-blown
Like Chris Holm style or if I would what what was going on?
You know if I still had it together and so that kind of took that took one of the big
Problems that that band had, you know, and it just wasn't an issue at all. So like the fact that
well, we can just jam and
which we always just jam, you know, but like
That was something they were worried about and for them to not even have that in the equation
Kind of made things pretty easy for us to move forward, you know
So that was great, you know
and we've been jamming since and gone through a couple of
possible like renditions of the band and
You probably saw the video that we were looking for a singer, right? Right and
so where we're at right now is there's the possible reunion when with
one of the singers of the band and
You know, I don't it's when the guys are ready to to let the cat out of the bag
We'll do that. But so we're moving forward and there's some
Potential of getting some white wizard out live again
And then we'll take it from there where we could maybe have some more music in the future
But one I guess you know cliche one step at a time
That's what's up with white wizard. So me jamming me. John and Chad are jamming
and been jammed with some different drummers and
Talking to some different singers or maybe just one different singer
Okay, and as far as is the idea to just go out and play shows and see where that takes you guys
Are you guys looking the right material?
Right now, right now, I think it's safer to say shows first and then see what happens
I'd really like to see it go back and write some music and music like the three of us were obviously part of the over-the-top lineup
And that style of white wizard, it's gone through so many band members and so many
Different sounds each lineup had a different sound to it
And that's I like the sound of the over-the-top stuff, which wasn't overly technical
and
I would love to write music in that vein. So I hope it does go there
but first we'd have to
Kind of like prove to ourselves and and the world with some live performances
so
That's where we're at right now
Okay, and
Given that there isn't really it doesn't seem like there's the same emergency on on your end either the band's end to really need to go out and do additional stuff beyond that
I always like to see things go further
It's just not it's whatever's realistic. That's what we have to work
You know
People are spread out lives
Like I swear everyone's life in general in the world is more complex than ever getting people
In the same room seems harder than ever to work towards a common goal
What opportunities are really out there?
It's always kind of talk until it really happens, right? And then uh on our end we'd have to
You know get on that stage
So I think that's what the best thing is to do is to get on that stage
What the best thing is concentrate on at the beginning?
So yeah, the world of rock and roll is so
Unstable, let's see where it's happening
I mean, it's still it's still in the stages of we get together and and we jam and we've been jamming with different people
And and tried some different
Um possibilities for the lineup
Which are still not set in stone which could still go?
In a couple directions depending on you know, what life throws at everyone involved
right, but uh right now we're looking at doing some sort of live performances like
And approximately like a year, I think would be a good timeline
Okay, and I hope it I hope it happens. I'm here to do it and um
John chad and I have been getting together pretty regularly
Meaning like a couple times a month, you know, so in the rock and roll like back in the day
You know, everyone thought that bands
Played practice like every single day and every night and I think that was like a big exaggeration
But nowadays I feel like
Yeah bands getting together
Um like a couple times a month that's like actually a good
consistency for things to move forward and and
Being realistic about things right? Yeah
Well that I mean that makes sense you or at least me I talk to people that get back together
with bands
And instantly they're already thinking well, you know, we're gonna be touring this and we're gonna be doing that
And then our idea is to go back into the studio with so-and-so and it's like
That's cool
But realistically, you know
2025 does that make sense from an economic standpoint from a
You know, yeah, that's a hard thing is all the logistics of putting things together
So you can talk all day long with your ideas and you can try and go in that direction
But what actually pans out?
Is is
Well, you'll see what happens. Yeah
So to get too far ahead of yourself
Is you're just kind of talking shit? Yeah, and how hard is that if you've got people coming at you like promoters or different people?
Trying to get you guys to hook you in to do a tour or to do this or to do that
You know do do well, that would be cool. I mean everyone it's on every end like
No one seems to commit like promoters and then you have like various industry people
Whoever's doing it
You have like various industry people whoever's left it's on them as well
Everyone gives like these really wish washy answers, you know, right nothing's as secure like maybe back
Uh, you you could just like line up lock in a bunch of dates that you can work towards and everyone's like
Oh, that sounds good. That's maybe so it's like a lot of talk and you're working with a lot of
a lot of
intangibles
so
So the first step is just to see if everyone's getting along and is down to do this and the next step is like
making it happen and then like
One we're talking to someone who's pretty cool. I wish I could drop a little bit more
Um, there is a potential to do a pretty fucking cool american show that happens once a year
And be a part of that
So that's like a good realistic goal to work towards and they'd be stoked to have us
Yes
And and and then from there then you take it from there regarding tour album and all that. Yeah
That makes sense. And that's
Let's be honest with the way that the the business is I I remember
Years ago there were people that would say to me on
The old talking metal forums where we met metallica's washed up. They're only playing festival dates in europe
for a lot of bands playing a
Bang your head or or keep it true, you know playing
Two to three one-off shows a year
Is the only thing that they can do both realistically because of what they have going on in their in their daily lives and also
It's it's good enough without having them overextend themselves from an economic standpoint as well
Yeah, well it all ties together. This is where everyone's at in life. I mean I really loved being
going full force and
Touring as much as possible when you weren't touring you were getting together and writing and never ending
music music music
but
That's not there. That's not the way things are at the moment
You know try to move as close towards that as possible and that's why at the moment i'm doing multiple projects and it's kind of like
Like i'll take every opportunity and then you take everything
with a grain of salt realizing we're going to do the best we can with this band, but
Um, don't just limit yourself to that, you know, right?
You know try i'm trying to get a couple things to float because while this band
Is not doing anything then i'll work on this project and that's the reality of things at the moment
But it's been like that for a while, especially for you know, because between
You know, you've always kind of been in multiple projects at the same time for the most part
I mean for I mean I kept going from project to project. I really don't like it. I don't prefer it
But that's how things have panned out. Yeah
You know like society one was down for the last year at when matt was working on his new movie that we'll talk about soon
That's seeing about to see the light of day in a couple weeks here on thunder flicks
Um, i'm maybe getting back together with the overloaded guys during that time, you know
I like let's this is a great opportunity to do a show and then at the same time out of nowhere white wizard
Reached out to me and I was like great timing. Yeah, you know and um
So whatever project like rears its head and if the timing makes sense
Um, you know, i'll go for it and just try and make some shit happen. I do think it's
Real important to constantly be moving
And just still remain active like it's so easy to just sit back and then years fly by
You lose all your chops
You don't even know how to step on a stage or like get your gear working. I mean shit
Actually, i've been like working on like um a bunch of different projects
I've been like working on like, um a bunch of different gear setups
right
Like working with a lot of amp modelers and just trying to get them to sound good because like doing fly-in shows with void vader
Excuse me void vader not them
With overloaded right definitely not void vader
um, but anyway
Like it would be a lot better to go there and and have some sort of transportable
Amp modeler that I can like plug directly into the pa or plug into a portable power amp or run it through the effects
There's a lot of options. All right
Just have a consistent good sound rather than just borrowing an amp that may or may not work
so um
That's like a realistic thing that a lot of people are doing now since so many shows are one-offs and you got to fly out
but during that time you got to kind of like
Work on these there's on these different modelers and try and get a sound that's like as good as my old marshall
That was great, but I can't
Bring on a plane or became
Um unreliable unfortunately one tour that really broke my heart, you know
um and
Like the days not touring with a like in a van and trailer
um
At this at this second
real quick another thing that got me thinking about like
Just trying to rework my rig
Was when society one did the tour with static x
And none of the bands had a physical amp and cabinet
And so they just like show up and they're in everyone's in like different transportation
Situations a couple guys some bands are on a bus
Some bands are in a bandwagon and we're in the van and trailer
and then uh society one where the opening band
and like
Like all the props are on the stages and and there's there were some there were a couple shows where there was no room for our amps
We had to figure it out like the amp was basically where the where the security guards are standing
You know, uh the balancers whatever you want to call. Yeah, or like on side stage or like jimmy couldn't even bring his bass really
He'd have a uh, he's our bass player society one
so and then like
Using the real amps and then like we're using wedges everyone else had like amp modelers and in ears
So like that's the reality of a lot of shows aren't even set up for like analog amps anymore
Right or if they are it's like a big pain in the ass
So i've been investing time and like trying out different like i got a line six. I got it amp the tube like
um
I got a tone x pedal. I just got I haven't even had a chance to dig into
um
Like I got some friends that have the cortex. Um, some other people have the kemper
What else the the fractals I got a neighbor. I just played on his
Fractal which like blew my mind. I was like, oh my god, like it wasn't but he worked on his satons, you know
Right. Hope i'm not boring you but I that's like stuff that i've been
um putting effort and energy into that kind of keep you relevant or creative and like just still
like
Working with music, you know
Like like finding tone it took me so long to find a good tone like years and years when I was a kid
You know you start with like a practice amp and like I had like an amp that didn't even have built-in distortion
You know, right and then you get your first distortion pedal. It still doesn't sound like master of poppets
You know and so, you know you got your and then you finally get your first half stack. Mine was a crate solid
Yeah, yeah real tinny. My buddy had a marshall and his was like it was an old marshall
I think it was like a jmp
Like his sounds so much thicker and fuller and warmer and nicer like mine is more shrill and
Painful, right? So like oh two amps. Yeah. Okay. That's the way to do it
You don't even know this stuff back in the day, right when you know, I was a kid
I think I think there's a lot more like with youtube and people talking
Um, there's a lot more knowledge out but now that the big thing is I mean those two bands are big
They're really heavy. They're very they break the tubes
Um, I did have some issues the tubes on my marshall last time that like I think I bought a shitty set of tubes that like
Crapped out on me on a show like you replace the old tubes that need to be replaced with a new shitty set that
Got ripped off. I think unfortunately
Anyway bought some like boutique tubes, but I think they were used and I think they were on the end of their line
Right, they're really backfired on me
Um, I just shit the bed like in during a gig and those dudes got all pissed off about it
It's like but anyway, yeah, man
Um, so like this chasing of the tone and then I went through a mark four. Um,
which is the metallica amp like that was in the 90s like 95 and um
That was great. I had that for a while and then you know my buddy and I he he
Actually, it's a bass player somebody we were jamming with and when I was in this band in detroit called inner recipe and he had
the marshall jcm 800
And I was like what this sound what this is this is you know, I couldn't it was better than my mesa boogie mark four
This the distortion sound and so I went it was like fate
I went to a pawn shop and there was one there for like five hundred dollars and I still have that amp
Here in this blue case. Oh wow. And um now it should be good
Actually, I did jam with it with the white wizard with john and chad one day. They're like there's the marshall. There's the sound
There it is and it is like you just I plug right into this and that's the sound
it's
and by itself, it's like
um
This doesn't sound it's like in a band setting like the tone just cuts through and it's so nice and thick
But like perfect. It's incredible. It's it's weird how that happens with me, but it took me like
Like years and years to find that you know, and that was so good for so long
And it was on like the white wizard record. It was on the gypsy hawk record. Um
Let's see on void vader's record. I don't think void vader. I think we did use it for um the stranded album, but
When we did the other two albums we used like oric wild had an amp and then michael
Uh, he had some amps
Okay, but anyway, the marshall was really cool, but then it became unreliable
And I think that was just bad tubes, but then that happened twice
And then that got me all freaked out like I can't rely on this and then so I got an angle
But then I went on the road. I'm like we're an opening band
So I've been working on amp modelers. Yeah, so like always was like
Working on shit to make stuff better. So you just can so you can still play
Anyway, that's a trip down
tone world
Well, that's cool first band I was ever in everyone had crates as well. So I I know what you're talking about was
Uh early 90s. It was what people could afford when they were starting to play
So you had your crate full stack, you know, you thought you were big
And then like you said, you know the guitar started getting
um, you know other stuff I remember the guy was playing with cotton ampeg because
Brian may use an ampeg and so on and so forth. So yeah, I hear you
So yeah, that's what's up, bro
Yeah, uh, you mentioned society one. I will say that I signed up to uh thunder flicks
Uh, just cool just because I saw that the uh, the documentary was coming out
And I was like, all right, i'll give this a shot
You know, it seems like it has a lot of content that i'll i'll watch so I would think that you dig it a lot
Did you see some of the other uh movies they have coming out as well?
Um, I haven't seen that I I did check out for example, uh, the kitty documentary which isn't available in europe
So I was after that
Uh for a while because i've i've actually interviewed all four members of the current lineup
All right
I was interested in in seeing that when I was in gypsyhawk. We played london canada
Okay, and two of the girls of kitty came out the drummer and the singer. Yeah, the two sisters. Yeah
Yeah, I thought that was really cool. Yeah, yeah
That show so it was when we toured with ale storm and then for some reason warbringer was on that show
Okay, and they played before us
Uh, anyway, just like sometimes it happens where like two tours
Combine and uh, then you have like a super show that happened to us in houston
And orange goblin was on tour with holy grail
So it was like us and valiant thor downstairs
and then holy grail and um
Orange goblin you said goblin was upstairs. Yeah, so it was like that particular night
They had two shows that combined them as one so so that show like I said warbringer was on the tour super thrash
pirate metal
Like we called ourselves boogie metal and then the girls from kitty came out
Yeah, it was like that was pretty cool man. Like out of nowhere london canada. Yeah. Yeah. Yep
Cool. Yeah, man, and um
So you were talking about yeah, because the kitty documentary and I was checking out
Uh, I was checking out thunder flicks last night and they have some like you said is for heavy metal fan
It's pretty cool. So it makes sense that they'd be uh, like hosting the
Society one movie that matt's been working on for the last year
Yeah
Um, what's your involvement in that documentary? I'm assuming that you appear in it at some point. I appear in it. It's minimal
Okay, like i'm in the band now
right and i'd say
First of all, I haven't seen the movie. I've seen
I saw the trailer
I saw the trailer and which I assume you have too and I saw one trailer before that and then matt
Sent me some unreleased footage
That he must have worked into the movie which was pretty which was pretty cool like um
That was but that was like 10 minutes of it. So I haven't seen the movie either
So I have an idea of what it's about
And um, which is about society one
but like um
and they were like matt's an extreme guy and
He's like pretty he's pretty competitive
so like even in hedonism and like
You know backstage antics and all the bullshit like that
People love in like from the dirt movie or the dirt book
You know, he was like full fledge full bore
And like his background is is um
You know, he started off in porn. Yeah, and he started directing porn movies. His father was a porn director
from like kind of back in the day
When I say back in the day like the 70s the 80s and I don't know his whole history, honestly, but like
He comes from a very different background
Right and matt came out here and went to musicians institute. He's a guitar player
I'm not a lot of people know that I don't even know if he'll mention that in in the movie, you know, right?
it's funny like he's
You know like he gets really focused on on
What he's interested in he might not even mention that or care to mention that I think it's cool
He went to mi and he's like an accomplished guitar player
And so he let he writes a lot of the music and the riffs and stuff like that
I don't know if anybody even knows that but um
So moving on the movie the movie like it's gonna be pretty wild in society
One was a really wild rock and roll sex drugs rock and roll band from from back in the day in it
And even back in the early to late 90s early 2000s got them in a lot of trouble
And I got a lot of people that were associated with them in a lot of trouble
This is before cancel culture
right, and so it kind of put a bit of a
um, like a dark horse a black cloud like
Like a pariah like society one kind of like being associated with matt like
People were um scared to associate with them and and still are in some senses
So the movie will drag into that and then like there's been a lot of people working against him
He's pissed a lot of people off. He's made a lot of enemies, you know and
and like
It's that's just the reality of life. And so there's some people that have um
A bone to pick with him and have basically tried to keep them down, you know, they've done everything in their power to to not
Allow him or whatever society wanted to get some opportunities or to get thrown off some things, you know
Which is how this industry works a lot is super small
So if the gatekeepers get pissed off at you if they team up against you
That shit's a reality and I think you'll go into that
So even like the movie coming out he had a damn near impossible time
getting anyone
A pr company to sign up to promote the move
And it's like a business thing and they all said no, no, no, no, no, which I don't I don't
I don't know exactly why but that's another example
Because like to me like nothing is even possible to be shocking, you know
like you can go on youtube and I watch documentaries about anal con and gg allen and
This is on you can go to tubi. You can go to mainstream platforms and and see all kinds of shit like
There's different types of censorship where like you'll watch like police videos and they'll censor the gunshots
There's words that those so there's like it's a never-ending
flow of what is censored and whatnot
But as far as subject matter goes, I'm like I was really shocked that company after company refused
to take on matt's movie, but it's another real life example of
people being
scared
Or don't want to or it's like out of animosity
Or you know, like there's people there's people there's people there's people there's people
There's don't want to work with society one. He's definitely up against things time and time again
so
It'll be interesting. The movie is coming out. I think it's coming out the 14th of february
valentine's day, what a beautiful holiday to release
And uh, i'll watch it that day, too
And we should we're gonna be having a release thunder flicks is gonna have a release for it
once again
Because rock and roll is it's just like a fly by the seat of your pants
Industry or like I don't even like the word industry. Okay, it's not even an industry. It's a thing. It's like a force
All right, okay any any like there is no industry. It's all destroyed. It's crumbled, you know, it's like
everything is guerrilla warfare and
like um
so
That is being determined and there will be a it'll a venue and a date and I can't announce either
It's coming very soon
All right. I hope i'm able to make it
Right, I hope i'm in town
like
So but i'm really stoked about it and thunder flicks looks really fucking cool. So yeah
Like i'm really i'm glad he found
a company that was
Willing to release it matt has released
um like a cool movie one was
um about their bass player dirt and it's a story of his life I last I watched it on
YouTube so I assume it's still there
But I know that matt wanted to have it like he wants to see this thing be pushed
You know, I mean everyone can release anything diy
And he put a shit ton of work into this, you know
You should talk to matt sometime like he'll he'll go into it
I can't tell you what he went through but I know he took a year off to put this movie together
He'd been compiling footage his whole life
Right and and you know your original question. What's my role in it?
I was a guitar player in the last we went out on tour with static x in
2023
Um static x fear factory dope and mushroom head was on quite a few of the shows, too
That's my role, you know
Which is actually pretty minimal i'm i'm dude. I'm i'm the guitar player now and we are working on some new music
Which is great. That's what I like to do. I like I like to be parts of original bands
I like to write music. I like to help shape the music if I hear something that could be better
I like to
To present something a riff an idea an arrangement solos
What have you I like to be part of that, you know the more the merrier. I love the idea
Of like the organic but everyone in the rehearsal room someone comes up with a riff the drummer starts playing the beat the singer starts singing something
You know, i've had that happen in the past. That's not how things have worked
Everything is more like on the you know, like individual, you know submitting tracks through email balancing ideas back and forth
Whatever the process is i'm there to like to help contribute it and then also
like
well
It's it's matt's like matt will start this and then i'll offer some ideas or i'll offer some ideas and like maybe he'll be like
Like that one don't like that one. So it's every band every project is different
You know, I might have and my like the the song um
Oh my god, like the video we shot
Jesus christ help me out man. You might have to cut this part out. I hate having brain fronts like this
Can you help me out victor what was the name of the single we released fight within thank you
Okay on the fight within I um
But yeah, my contribution to that was a guitar solo because I got we're recording this song next week
And I sent him some ideas good. I like that. You know
That was and and then we went into the studio and we recorded
um, and then we went into the studio and we recorded
Um, and that was it and then I heard it one way what I recorded the solo over and then what ended
Up that I was playing over was totally different. So that was a shock that was and it turned out well. It was I was like
Um, I was expecting like rhythm guitar underneath it all it was like drums and guitar
Yeah, cut out, you know, which just pretty rare for songs to do that
I thought that was really creative kind of ballsy. I mean the net the guitar solo is just naked
You know normally when you're you're riffing and writing a solo you're kind of working with the rhythm
It's kind of part of it. They meld together
And a solo is written for the rhythm and the whole vibe and then to change that and have it just be stripped down
That was very shocking
And then there was like a song that we were working on that I think might be in the movie
And then like I came up with a riff that I thought was going to be
Over the chorus and then he took the riff and then he made it its own part
I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's really cool. So this is a different way of like
how
From what I'm used to writing
and and uh, I like it and it's it's always like really quick. It's always like
Nothing's going on
All right, and then life is so complicated that
Hey if I
If I if um, there's a need for it, I'll I'll I'll work on it, but I'm not gonna waste my time
You know, like life's just too busy, right?
If I'm gonna write 20 ideas in the vein of something that aren't gonna see the light of day
That's that's not a good use of time. But then all of a sudden now we need a bunch of stuff, you know
So it's like that's how it always is like you'd like in a perfect world
You'd like to just reach back into this idea vault and just pull this stuff out like well, fortunately
I got this this this which song do you want? You know, but it's everything is awesome
Everything is always a rush always
And and that's how it's always has it always been well, that's how it is now. I can tell you that
You know, it's like there's nothing going on. Oh, we need we need a song like and all of a sudden
You're just like you shift everything and your focus and and you just try and make something as cool as you possibly can
Within the time limits that you are given
You know the deadlines and so that's not how the rock and roll story is
You know the rock and roll story is like you're constantly
Writing and and then once you're ready
Once you're ready you're you go in this fuck. No, you're never read
right, and you always pushed and
But I will say this like that's
You know that seems to be just the way that things happen when when you are given this endless timeline
It always gets procrastinated
It always gets watered down and by the time it comes out it sucks and the most you know, the most
Simple example is like the guns and roses record that came out a million years ago
But it took a billion years to write and then when it finally came out everyone was disappointed
You know and it'd be written and been rewritten like 20 times. That's like the most
Simple example I can give of that but this it happens in all bands and like they just never get or they never get around
To it when we're gonna release the album all when we're ready. It just never happens
You kind of you have to have a fire to get this shit done
It happened with gypsyhawk where we had a lot of the album written and then all of a sudden
I mean things happen in bands. Eric just took off
Eric Harris, uh, and then like
I mean I didn't there was like two songs that I didn't think were done, you know
And so me and Andrew and Ian got together
And it's so like galaxy rise. One of the examples was the intro of galaxy rise rise
It was just like this riff that do that. It just did it like four times
It was boring. Just like that's like that's not done. That's like and so we we wrote this build up
And I'm glad we did, you know, but we had to we had like we were leaving to record in in a couple days
you know
and so um and
That's an example of like
Finishing something, you know not in an ideal situation like it and it worked out
It is kind of cool when it does kind of inspire
some some different aspects of your mind or
You're playing or you're you're writing, you know, I know everything can backfire. You can you could be short selling yourself
Maybe it would be better if you had infinite time. I guess everything would be
But it but it isn't that's not how it's not how shit works
Yeah, it was interesting. I watched the video earlier this week where kirk cam it was explaining how
He records his solos and he used and he said flat out
He goes usually my songs are not that good
And he said flat out he goes usually my first three to four takes are the best
he goes because once I start to take the solo apart and
Uh start to analyze the song he goes kind of the fire the spark that you wanted to make
Something really exciting. It kind of goes away because you over examine it and you try to do it over and then over and over
So it reminds me of what you're saying there with like the gnr stuff and and other stuff where you take too long with it
You you think about it too much and it just
The spark is gone by the time. Yes. Yeah, there's there's a lot of validity to
Writing things of where you're at at that time
I never used to really appreciate that and maybe when you're younger you just are who you are
and you haven't had a chance to go through any sort of stages or
You just got popped out a little bit ago. You just learned how to play a couple minutes ago and like
So yeah where you at as as an artist now, you know, like that's kind of part of the art is just like, all right
Let's do it. Let's not take forever and then overthink it then, you know, re-edit and edit
It's like let's let's this is a presentation of what's happening this second. So though I I um
I respect that more now because that's how that's how shit happens
Yeah, the fight within we were talking about it before we started recording
It's a song that for me it gets stuck in my head
and
Once I start to hear like matt's voice or I start to hear like
Your solo in my head
It's something that I need to listen to and it's not that I need to listen to it once
I need to listen to it a bunch of times and then it's finally like out of out of my system
But I mentioned this to you off air
It's a song that has the right amount of heaviness has the right amount of musicianship to it
And it just makes you think well, why wasn't this song bigger than what it was?
I mean it delivers on so many levels at least to me personally
Yeah, um, it's a great song it's funny it's a very pretty song which
Is not what society one is?
known for or like there's so many aspects
To matt's writing society one in general. It's been around forever. It has a huge back catalog that song in particular
Yeah, I think it's a great song and I think the video looks really cool, too
Yeah, I directed the video. There's some cool lighting effects. There's a whole aesthetic to it
It's just like a performance video in a warehouse
But it looks cool and like the song itself you get a good vibe about it
You know, it's I consider songs like that to be a ballad
I was hoping we were gonna do it live on the road, but it it didn't it didn't get put in the set, you know
I bought for that song. I borrowed a friend seven string guitar
And I wrote this solo on a six string guitar, you know, but it's in B
You know, it's a regular set of songs
And then I bought a seven string guitar like matt had a seven string guitar that he wrote on it
But it like sucked so I was like I can't play this thing live, you know
It's like cutting my hands up. You know, it was like a super cheap jackson or something
So I got one
But we like we have been working on the most recent song that he sent me a seventh string
Well, so maybe you'll see the light of day. At least it is in the demos and shit
Okay back to the song. Yeah, it's a great song
Guess what people don't even fucking care about music anymore. That's what's interesting. You can write an awesome song
But who's playing it? Nobody
Check it out on youtube. The video is awesome. Listen to it on your streaming platform
You know buy the mp3 if you want but like what are people doing? I don't know like music
Is I love it, you know, and I know some people really do too when we played live people
Who most people had no idea?
Who the fuck we were and they loved it. It was cool. They were getting engaged when we played live
We'd go matt and I would go back to the merch booth and people would come up and and selling a cd is i'd say
Probably the souvenir of it, you know, because you can I do it all the time
You know if there's a band I really like and especially if it's the lineup that i'm like
This is the lineup that recorded the record
I buy the cd um or the album whichever
Really albums take up so much space. I just I just like the cd and have them sign it and it's cool
It's a cool momento. It's really rad. I think
But do I need it? No, I listen to it on spotify, right? You know, that's my platform
Whatever your shit is, dude, you know, whatever it is
So so it's a great song. It's awesome
And yeah, I would think that people would dig it. It's actually it's a very pretty song, you know
Like it's actually really commercial if you ask me super mainstream, you know good heavy sounds good
It's like the production is fucking awesome. Yep, you know, he's
I recorded that wasn't done just like in
Like your fucking bedroom or anything, you know, and it was mixed by I believe a guy named zeus
Mixed it
Who's like got a huge name and yeah the production world is great, but like
You know, I think matt even said like he was he was expecting more he did that and a song called god to you
We shot two videos, right?
And in like the response to them was like not chart topping and it wasn't you know, it was like
Underwhelming for his expectation. So
I'm glad it's there. You know, like I think it's like
I'm glad it's there. You know, like it's out there. And what's cool is that if people want to listen to it
They can always listen to it and it's it's uh, more modern like it's not a song from 20 years ago
we're gonna be writing music now, but like
One of the reasons that matt's doing the movie is he's like people aren't
They don't fucking care about music
Not you know, not to the extent of it really making waves
If metallica and the rolling stones can write a song release a song and no one gives a shit
Then why are they gonna release?
They're not gonna give a fuck about your song either, you know, and and that's kind of a black pill attitude
You know, I get kind of like frustrated with it. I'm like, but you're a band. That's what you do. You write music
You release music. That's what you do. You can complain about it all day long
but
That is a reality, you know
Yeah, people aren't the numbers aren't there. You know life
Is a very numbers stats sort of game
and like
If so if like 20 billion streams happened on it, you know, we would then the people picked up on it
You know, that's the algorithms and then actual people paying attention to the algorithms
You know, what's human and what's ai anymore is like very confusing at times
But you get it man. If something gets like a billion streams and more people are gonna oh, what does this have to check it out?
You know whether it's good or whether it's bad, you know, it's like whether it gets those numbers and so
Matt's doing the movie because he thinks more people are into movies documentary, you know stuff like he's like really into the shock aspect
You know, I'm like the guitar player, you know, that's that's the shit. I'm into the music and stuff like that
But like I've always been into extreme metal. I've been into like punk rock, you know, I saw anal cunt lives, you know
Um, I I had like gg allen albums before it was you know
I want to say before it was cool
But like back when it was like back in the 90s and shit like I was there
When like metal went from like judas priest to death metal the fucking grind quarter like I i've heard it all you know, like
I've seen quite a bit of it live
You know, I definitely would not be down to have shit thrown at me like at a gg allen show
I mean there's like points where things get so fucking stupid that you know, it's extreme, you know
And like I wouldn't see any value in it, but some people really do. Oh my god
You know, like people love that stuff and matt's into the extreme
He he's just you know, he does the suspension he which is putting the meat hooks in your skin and hanging from it
You know, and he's got I believe he still has like a pianist book of will records. Um,
award for that and um, he's like he's into theatrics and
And and that's why I was getting back into the movie
He's like almost competitive with his shit like he'd have to explain it
You know, so I can roll with stuff like that. Like I don't I don't get offended you
You can't say shit. Normally. I'm the one that says things that people get. Oh my god
I'm like, what did I even fucking say? I'm the most normal person in the world. I think I'm a fucking idiot
You know, like but then people like I know your opinion is yes
Obscene and so like I'm so I'm cool with it
I'm cool with like Matt whatever he's trying to push or say or and it'll come out in the movie
Whatever he's trying to push or say but that being said I think a lot of times in music for society want
As the guitar player I had to dig back this band's been around forever. I had to dig back in the back catalog
You know, because like I'm just presenting. All right. Here's the songs learn them, you know, do your interpretation of them
Which for me I always pretty much like what you hear on the album is what I'm gonna try and convey
I like to do that if the song is good. I don't like I need to rewrite and put my stamp on it
It's like now like if it's awesome, that's how I want to play it
But there does also at the same time there is the reality of like this is a I'm a different guitar player shit
You know, yeah
um, like what I'm getting at is uh, there's there's bands that like some bands I think have gone astray and gotten way too
YouTubey guitar player like uh
Shred
Progressive stuff. I'm like, that's not what I'm into man
If you want that like you better get one of those guitar players and some bands paint themselves in the corner because they hire these super shred meisters
That no one can play except the fucking dork studio musicians
I don't even fucking like that stuff. I think it sounds like crap
Um, no one likes it. It doesn't stick in your head
Okay, and I like solos that you can sing along to that are cool and there's a slight element of
Technicality to it some not much not much and the stuff that's all so what happened these bands like hire these super shred nerds
And now they painted themselves in the corner because they have to get a guitar player that can only play that shit most guitar players
that can only play that shit are dorks and
Assholes and don't even like to tour because they like to just play their guitar in their bedroom and just and just play as fast and
Sweepy shreddy as possible
So you see what i'm saying? Like I am a certain type of guitar player. I have the ability to convey a certain
Sound if that's what you're gonna do. We're gonna have a problem
And we'll don't hire me i'm not the guy for that, you know
So like but it sucks when a band paints themselves in that corner because if they're gonna play their back catalog and people are expecting that
Then they can only have certain type of player
Yeah, so so
But guess what society one doesn't do that. So that's I guess I looked out right or i'm the right guy for it
So going back I already lost what up my train of thought like
I was presented a whole bunch of songs and it's like it's okay. Here's a song
It's like on me. I kind of went back over time after I learned the set to what's this band about?
I never even listened to a lot of their shit
Ever actually no, I wasn't familiar with it
I had to go back and research it and then so I found like all these cool songs
Like there's a cool
There's a lot of pretty
Ballads and stuff, you know, and then he does he has like some new metal like culture
Chamber shit that i'm not as into that style, you know that was like
You know the new metal rage
Was really big and that is a big part of this of this band
But then he has like stuff like super fucking fast. I was surprised. This band is a lot heavier than I thought it
was from like its reputation and what
What they were pushing on like this is like his tune to drop c
You know, we got a couple songs in b, but they didn't use it
That there's I mean, I guess that's a pretty deep tuning
I know there's bands that go look go lower and we can talk about how I think actually bands that go
Some bands that go super low don't sound heavy at all to me
Right a lot of the bands that play so fast like black metal doesn't sound heavy to me at all
At all. It sounds proggy. It sounds like you know
Like low tech dream theater, you know, and it's not heavy. I don't at all
to me, you know, so like uh,
So fucking hey, man, there's like it's it's tuned in a heavy tuning
They use a shit ton of distortion, you know, and I was like, yeah, this is fucking heavy stuff
You know like it does have the groove that conveys you play it loud and live. It's pretty fucking heavy. So
They have an industrial side
He has it's like new metal cold chamber side
He has some like I don't want to call it
There's some like there's some like pantera sabbath shit in there
Um, we already talked about the ballad side
And then there's like yeah, there's some stuff that's like
It's not gonna be death metal. So I but it's not thrash metal, but it's like way faster
Than I thought there's gonna be we're learning a new set because we're getting ready to like play again
There's a song called lord. I'm like what?
This song fucking rules man. This is a great song. It's like yeah, it's great life, you know, and i'm like cool
but like
That's like I kind of got a like a ministry thing, which is industrial but then way even more like then it goes heavier
And faster. I'm like, yeah, this is this is sick. I like it. So there's a lot of aspects to the music
And um, the music is worth checking out
you know as much as like I supposedly people don't listen to music, but I swear people do
People do listen to music. So it's like a give-and-take do people listen to music or don't they? Yes, they do
Is it enough for the mainstream media to give a fuck?
And have people swooping in and like wanting a piece of it
Um, because they think if they buy this and they can resell it and make money is it commodity?
Like it was I don't know that it is at all. We'll see though. I mean the idea is there
Like it has value it can't have value. You know what i'm getting at like that's
What an industry is like doesn't have actual tangible value
to where
Like okay, I can I can book this band and people get will come out and then
The band gets this amount of dollars and I get this amount of dollars
That's where things get kind of kind of lame, but that's
Like it becomes a headache. It's very stale like talking about numbers the stats figures it's lame
But that's how some shit works. Um, well, that's how the world works a lot, you know
so
The idea is to get some music out that
Goes somewhere and fucking makes a fire. Um, and
And and and guess notice like yeah, the idea is not just to have like 14 people listen to it
You know, I get it
Because that only has so much value like that only goes so far. It is what it is
It could be a great song 14 people listen to it. That's as far as it goes
if
100,000 people listen to it, it'll go further
It will reach more people and the music itself and the band will physically travel more people
Go further. It will reach more people and the music itself and the band will physically travel more places
More things can happen. They can do more podcasts
Yeah, there you go, um, I think a lot of it
Unfortunately has to do with the fact that that the age group that
That we are in and that we're dealing with
unfortunately, a lot of people aren't as probably tech savvy as
as they need to be to keep up with bands and other people just
Are too lazy to do it
Okay. Yeah, I see what you're getting at and and there are people who like are set. They're good
Yeah, yeah, right with the music that they have
They know what bands they're going to click and look for I I think the hardest part is finding it
because there's nothing worse than
Wasting your time and going this sucks listen 30 seconds something else
This sucks by the time you did that four times you've already like it saps the energy out of you. It's not
people so I understand how like
City i'm gonna research find some new music. You know, that's like that's like that's like not realistic
That's your job victor and you're supposed to get that to people and say this band is good. Check them out and
Then like so many people do it and then they tell some people
But yeah tech savvy, I guess also too some people like I guess
I
Figure it's such basic technology like it's a platform apple music spotify you you too
The fuck doesn't know how to eat know that you too, but um
Maybe some people aren't even into that
but like our
Age demographic. Well, yeah, I mean they're you know, that's
That is what it is
I'd say setting their ways is a good good way to put it and they have you're appealing to people who are setting their
Ways and don't give a shit. Yeah, that's that's pretty tough sell
Yeah, it is what it is
Like there could be some I don't know what I can't speak for other people does it appeal to other people other than just ourselves
Are we just playing for because we're dying off literally. I mean people our age are dying
and like
Is that just it or does it appeal to more?
Young I guess other other people hate even using the word younger. I just sounds that's something old people say
This appeals to younger people but like I would think that the music I would hope that the music is cool for people to check out
regardless of
How old they are, you know, right well I see it in my house where
you know my kids will listen to a lot of the stuff that i'm listening to and then all of a sudden i'll hear certain stuff coming from their room
You know where they'll check it out and they'll really
Enjoy a certain band. So if you're exposed to certain things, I think
that people of any age
It's possible that that they'll enjoy it. The the problem is that that a lot of people I think you said it perfectly
They're set in their ways. Well, if this isn't if I can't buy a cd, then i'm not going to listen to it
I'm not gonna doubt that you can still buy a cd by the way go buy a cd. That's like a bullshit excuse
Right. So but but you've got that
You've got people that'll say well nothing good has come out since 89. It's like dude
Right. Okay. So I get what you're saying. You're setting your ways as you mentioned, but there's always good music
Coming out. I mean we I on my podcast we do a monthly album review where we talk about stuff that
Has come out each month that we're that we're into just because we want to keep promoting new music
Because that's awesome. You're doing that. That's what it's got to be fun though. Like um, yeah
It's just too much of a pain in the ass and the fact that most people don't even leave their house anymore
And I don't even think that's a generational thing. I think that's across the board like people are like
Just stuck in their little bubble
I think it's even harder for them to radio is not playing anything new. That's that's set. That's like a playlist
That's just on repeat
Because that's that's uh, it's market. That's what it appeals to
all these things are just
Just platforms that all do the same thing. They just play music. Yeah, so so what else do you have you got podcasts?
You got documentaries see that's where matt was getting into like sometimes
You enjoy watching a documentary you get into like this brand is interesting. I'm intrigued. I'll check them out
And so I think that's what matt's gone with the movie society, you know this
Everyone dies the movie out on thunder flex
thunder flicks
February 14th. All right, take your girlfriend on a date
that to that
That was like the worst. Let me do that again out february 14th thunder flicks. Take your chick
There you go. That's better. All right, so like um
Yeah, that's you got to get into it. It's got to be interesting like I think a lot of the bands that we were into
You know, we saw them in magazines like oh that's you know
You'd see the they looked cool in the photos or the live shots. I had a story about them
Like there was there was a whole there was a whole culture captured our interest
There was headbangers ball to check out
And then from then you take it from there, right?
like
So whatever gets people into it. Um, i'd say that for new music. There's not as much
There's there's not as much because people don't have faith in it. You know
They they don't want to spend their time
Promoting something that they feel no one cares about they'd rather write about one of the legacy bands and yeah for me is different because I
Don't want to ever read another article about
I have no interest. It's fucking boring to me, right?
So like to each their own I do go see shows and I see people like well attended packed shows
Um for bands that aren't legacy acts and to me that's what's cool. And that's what's fun
You know, but it is what it is like the bands I like tend to
Play clubs, which are better shows by the way sing bands and clubs and theaters. That's the experience like
Seeing bands and arenas I think sucks. Yeah
But to each their own man people will disagree with me that big time, you know, they're very different experiences. So like yeah even like
Yeah arena shows
Like to me aren't even fun. So
But anyway, um, you know, that's the give and take you know what I mean? Like it's it's always best
Oh, I saw him in the club. I saw him in the theater, but then everyone wants them to be huge
Well, do you want to be underground and want to be huge? What's the perfect sweet spot? I mean, it's just
It's just all fluid. You know, it's like whatever works, you know, I just don't like things to be so
I don't like something to be like good and then
Go nowhere and then just fall apart because no one listens to it and uh, it can't go anywhere. That's sad
That's really sad. Yeah
So they just work in yeah
A lot of this too, I think has to do with the fact that
You're talking about shows. We're talking about new music and stuff
A lot of it also has to do with the fact that
You know, I think it's a lot of people are like, oh my god, I'm so sad. I'm so sad
And I think a lot of it also has to do with the fact that um
that people are getting priced out out of a lot of stuff and actually the the discussion of
Like instruments, I remember you were the first person to tell me i'd love to have
uh, a less paul
But in order for me to have one I have to pay
x amount which is so much more than
You know, so you want new generation of musicians to catch on or you want to have
Younger people checking out shows but back in the day for us a show may have been five to twenty bucks
Yeah, five dollars for a club show
You and me, I think we're around the same age and then 20 bucks for an arena show. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, talaga colt in 1989 was a twenty dollar ticket
For pavilion so for seats, you know
Yeah
Yeah, man. Um, well check it out like and that's where actually
like
Club shows and upcoming bands make sense
You know when the legacy acts are charging hundreds and hundreds of dollars
Which I don't know how anybody affords this because when I talk to people all they do is complain about money and say how fucking broke
They are and then
You know if their music head and they're going to a show
They're going to a legacy act show for insane prices that I didn't think you could ever charge for so like
and people like
Thousands and thousands of people are doing it blows my mind, right? Yep
so yeah, if you're into it actually there's a lot of like
like
Seeing upcoming bands is cheap
So that's a great argument for it
I'd say like for for kids though the laws like most um, most people most clubs are 21 and up. Yeah
And i'd say that younger people are super broke
You know like zero money, you know, like like back in the day
I feel like younger people had enough money for metal like metal was supposed to be for like
Poorer people it's not supposed to be an expensive boutique thing, you know, right? Right, right
but I
anyway
Okay, so budget conscience. Yeah, like seeing upcoming bands is the way to go
even seeing shows at the whiskey is like
Like the prices have gone up from back in the day, but still what you can see an awesome show at the whiskey for like
20 30 40 bucks. Yeah
That's reasonable
Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah
That's like a pro club too. That's not a that's not like a diy punk rock, you know, right?
Right 112 inch speaker vocal pa thing. That's not a dvfw
Yeah, man, they even have those anymore
um
Yeah, dude, so so like yeah
Money is a thing but I feel like where there's a will there's a way. Yeah, absolutely. They'll find a way to do it
um, also like things change so like
Yeah, I feel like the legacy acts are kind of just like they're just
They know their audience and I think they're gonna ride that into the sun, right?
So if you're with them, what do they call they're gonna just like milk a horse
You know
They're gonna just like keep riding that wave until people don't show up anymore
You know and everyone's like aging out, you know, I'm gonna physically just
Pass away, you know, so like there's there's new people. There's new shit for new people
There's new shit for new people is does it does it all have to be the same age? I don't know. Maybe it does
oh, you know, which kind of fucks us but like
I think there's if you're into music you can get into it and hopefully more people get excited about it
Yeah, so that's and and also that there's like budget wise for music instruments, too
Like gibson is like a legacy brand if it's three thousand bucks for a les paul
There's a lot of other instruments out there that are um
As good
You know, you know, um for much less money, you know, yeah, you gotta find it. Yeah
Uh, is there anything else that you're working on? Yeah
Yeah, there is there's one thing. Um, i'm jamming with the overloaded guys again and
we're just doing shows I would love for that band to just like write some songs, but
Um, I don't think that's gonna happen. You know, I think they're cool with doing an occasional reunion
It's going to be in detroit and and uh, I got a phone call
Um over christmas break like eric, you know
This band uh bridge dropped off the bill of the show. It's gonna be really awesome. A bunch of bands from detroit
Um that were pretty popular in the local scene
In the early 2000s and they want us to take their spot
And these shows are like they're like really well attended that we did one
Last year, they actually like draw
They can draw like hundreds of people man, like for a show nowadays. That's not like corporate or something. That's like
That's a really good turnout man, like
People get excited and get stoked. So
overloaded that's a band that I was in
From like 2004 to 2008. It was right before white wizard. It's really
We had like two records out. It's on all the streaming platforms. The band is called overloaded and
We're gonna do a set. We're gonna do a show
And i'm stoked about it. The guys are stoked stoked about it. We did one about a year ago
It went well and this one should be better because that was like knocking the dust off the boots
a year ago
We're gonna do it again and uh at the token la holla andridge is my old stomping ground
I mean, there are a million times i've seen a million shows there. John anton is a great guy who's been
Who's just like a part of detroit
And so I would say if you're from the midwest come out, you know
Like everyone's so bored in life
And like yeah come up to the show
Like yeah drive up from ohio drive out from chicago drive out from pennsylvania do it have fun
like have a have a saturday night in detroit like
Uh saturday it is saturday, right saturday march 8th
2025 token lounge detroit
And and it's overloaded face and blast or not
and we're detroit bands
um that
Are getting back together and kicking some ass and there's gonna be a lot of people there and it's gonna be a fucking blast
that's another thing and
So those are the three things I got going on right now society one
Picking back into full swing
Matt's movie is coming out on on thursday the 14th
we're like learning a set right now and
Getting prepared and we'll be writing songs too
Just wrote one recently. He's me putting out some videos and shit
white wizard
We're jamming
Hope to do a show
Okay, and yeah, those are the three things i'm gonna do
Okay, and yeah, those are the three things
Okay at the moment
I'd like to do my own thing dude. It's funny that i've got I do have a back catalog of riffs. They're pretty sick
I I go over that one was brave what the fuck now
And it's like kind of like do you just like present them to a band or they fit in with the band that you're jamming?
I mean
Iron out was do you remember the band I was in called iron not absolutely the iron not is is similar to uh
To what I mentioned about the fight within I can get riffs that you and you were on base there. There were just
based on that one
Yeah, so the thing is like like bands are
Bands are fickle band band life the band world is very unstable anything can happen. It can be going great
One day it's just gone. There's no safety net and it just collapsed regardless of how long or how short it's been
You've been in it. So it's like pardon me says
Just do your own
Band that's it everything. I mean fucking dave grohl it, you know
Everything that way you don't have to rely on anybody
It's it's on you
But then you know, it's like that i'm doing other shit and there's only so much time, you know, so
One i'd like to get around to do I think it's a great idea to do it. It makes the most sense
You know no committees to go through you and your computer write the stuff record it
I'm getting better and better at recording actually
Can send it out to like you can send it out to a guy to get mixed
For a reasonable rate like you can put on hire a drummer, you know
Like I program all the drums, you know
So I mean it's it's potentially as far as a creative process can all be in house, you know
And it's realistic to do
But it just and then all of a sudden but i'm i'm doing other stuff. So that's
One day maybe that'll happen
Find out maybe next time I talk to you. There you go. That will be the the next time we hook up to to see what
What uh, what's going on in the world of eric kluber? Yeah, dude
My rambling going around the world with my conversations going jumping from topic to topic
Sorry. Yeah, it's fine
That's that's that's perfectly fine
Uh before we wrap things up here can I get you to do?
An idea. I haven't had you I don't think you've ever done a video id for me. Really? Okay
This is eric kluber and you're listening to victor ruiz on signals from mars
Excellent eric. I do want to thank you for spending all this time with me today
And uh look forward to every everything that you talked about
I mean i'm into every one of the bands that you mentioned
um
Even the ones that you let the name slip if eric kluber was a part of it. I think there's a certain
part of quality associated to at least
The point in time that you were in those bands, so i'll leave it at that
Thanks victor. It's always good talking to you
and real quick, I mean that's the reality of just like
Going from project to project and and having limited time in things and then time moves forward
And then you realize what was the name of that song? What was the name of that record?
What was the name of that band? You know, right? I mean it's it makes it seem like you know
Like you're not invested or don't care about it. But yeah
Forget stuff and you look like a fool when you forget it. So whatever
That's that's fine as as as you're mentioning that
again
You get certain rifts in your head and you say oh shit. That was fire eater. So
All of a sudden you realize I need to check out that playlist again because I remember digging that so much
From the first time that you started sending me demos. So
anyway
On that note once again, thank you, sir
Thanks to anyone that's watching or listening to this and we will see you next time right here on signals from mars
See ya
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