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Welcome one and all to episode 393 of Signals from Mars. I'm your host Victor

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and for this episode Ed Ferguson and I kick off a new series, at least a new idea

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here on the podcast. What if, what if John Bush, man we know he was in

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anthrax, we know he's an armored saint and we know that he was offered to be in

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Metallica. I'm ready. Let's do it!

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As of this recording the category 7 album is going to be dropping on Friday.

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It's actually the day that I'm flying to the States and I haven't had a chance to

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listen to anything from it beyond the videos that I have posted on Patreon and

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subsequently added to my 2024 playlist. So this episode kind of came about by

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accident. Ed and I were talking about economics and music and before we

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recorded that episode, which is episode 388, we started talking about the

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category 7 project and mentioning how it was members of Overkill and Exodus and

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Mike Orlando, excuse me, plus Phil Demel who's been in a bunch of

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things at this point. Kerry King, most notably for Ed, but also Machine Head, so

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on and so forth. So we started talking about different things and with regards

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to this and Ed brought up, well imagine if John had actually gone to

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Metallica, what they would have sounded like and I said, oh I can show you

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exactly what they would have sounded like. So I showed him the clip of John

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fronting Metallica at the XXX shows, the 30th anniversary shows at the

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Fillmore in San Francisco with John singing the Four Horsemen. If you haven't

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checked it out, I recommend that you do because it is fantastic. Beyond belief, it

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is great. It is, as the kids are saying here, some of my players are saying it is

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very elegant. So anyway, I've asked John about this in the past, asked him about

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the song selection, we've talked about him in Metallica over the years on a few

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occasions, so it is cool to talk to Ed about this and actually expand upon the

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idea. So I don't want to give too much away, but two things that I want to

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bring up. I think it's a fun concept and it's something that just came up all of

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a sudden while we were talking. I said, wait, we possibly have another episode.

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So we recorded two episodes back to back. We did the economics and then we did

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this one, which is a little under an hour. It's about 45 minutes to be honest,

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but I think it's still a cool discussion and something that I would like to use

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in the future with other guests and maybe have people submit their what if

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type concepts. I think it would be really cool to discuss. Ed is a patron. I do

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Welcome everyone to another edition of Signals from Mars. I welcome back Mr. Ed

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Ferguson to the show. Ed, how are you? Still doing good. Awesome. Yeah, so we just

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finished recording another episode. You had me back. Wow. That's it. We talked a

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bunch before recording the first episode and we had some standby topics just in

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case if we couldn't do the entire hour and it turned out that we could without

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a problem. So we're back. Yeah, I probably talked too much. Yeah, I was recently told

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that I don't communicate well. I would say that I probably over communicate as

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opposed to not communicating well where I can talk for hours on end. But anyway.

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Yeah, not communicating well could be one of my mottos probably. But that's

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why I connect with music so much. Just like so many people, it helps you

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express what you don't know how to say. Yeah, absolutely. How many times have we

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copied lyrics to especially back in the day when you're exchanging? Yeah, to my

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parents I paste them on the wall. Dear mother, dear father from and justice for

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all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I put that one on the wall, cuss words and all. My mom

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wanted to have a talk about that. But speaking of Metallica. Speaking of

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Metallica, James Hepfield recently talked about how a band that kind of jumped out

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at him was Category 7, a band that features John Bush from Armored Saint,

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formerly of Anthrax, on lead vocals. I've had John on the show a bunch of times. I

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can remember one of the only blabbermouth headlines that I've ever

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gotten. It said, John Bush says, it made no sense for me to join Metallica. It

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made all the sense in the world for me to join Anthrax. They took that out of

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the interview and they ran with it. Now, before we started recording earlier

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today, we had talked about how James had mentioned Category 7. The two songs that

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we've heard so far are beyond the great. I mean, they're... Listen, and James'

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comments, I don't think were to besmirch Armored Saint in any way. But this is

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completely different to Armored Saint. It isn't what he did in Anthrax either.

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It's pretty thrashy. It features Phil Demel, a violence and machine head on

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guitar, features Michael Orlando, who's probably best known for adrenaline mob,

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features Jack Gibson of Exodus on bass, and features Jason Bittner, currently in

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Overkill and also in Shadow's Fall on drums. So they're all pretty heavy

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hitters. My only issue is that they said initially that this was gonna sound like

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Thin Lizzy. Yeah, where did they come up with that description? Yeah, I'm not sure

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either. But that first video that you posted especially was a great tune. The

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video was fun to watch, just watching them have fun jamming. Yeah, good stuff.

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Yeah. So we ended up talking about how James brought up the fact that John Bush

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was the guy that they wanted in Metallica. Yeah. And you were unaware of

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the fact that for their Triple X shows to celebrate their 30th anniversary,

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that they did four nights at the Fillmore in San Francisco. Yeah, and I

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remember the stuff with Dave Mustaine. Right. But I don't remember seeing stuff

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with John Bush. Okay. So, yeah, so they ended up doing Four Horsemen with John

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Bush. Yeah. And I played you a little piece of that. Because when the site

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used to be called MetallicaLive.com, I'm not sure if it's just Metallica.com now

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or you can just purchase the live songs, the live material. I purchased the

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Triple X shows and I listened to the hell out of them. Specifically, John Bush

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doing Four Horsemen with them. And it's funny because one of the times that

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I've interviewed John, I think I've interviewed him five or six times at

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this point in time. I asked him, I said, you know, this is one of the songs that

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Mustaine has always claimed was his. Obviously, Four Horsemen and Mechanics

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or Mechanics, however you want to pronounce it. He's always claimed to,

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well, he's always claimed it. No, he's got writing credit for it. So anyway, I

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asked John Bush, I said, did you were you asked to do this song because it

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would get them out of, you know, kind of shit with Mustaine or who chose it? And

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he said, no, no, this was all me. I've always loved that song and I wanted to

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do that one. So now you've heard a small piece I played up to the chorus, more

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or less. And what are your immediate thoughts of hearing John Bush fronting

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Metallica? I think he sounds great. And when I I told you earlier that when you

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read that headline, I started thinking about what John what John's voice would

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sound like singing different Metallica songs. So I was going about getting

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ready for work and singing Master of Puppets in my head that replaced James

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with John and started thinking, man, that would sound really good. And so I

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started in my mind listening to other songs with John like Ride the Lightning

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and just started realizing, you know, if and then I was thinking about if you

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replaced, you know, Dave and Megadeth, what that would sound like, you know,

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basically the big four thinking about all of them and realizing that, you

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know, John probably would have sounded best in Metallica. Right. I mean, his

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voice goes really well with Metallica's music. It's kind of changed the style,

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but it has more character to it. A little more, maybe a little more bass or

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something there. And I'm forgetting my thought what I was going to say after

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that. But yeah, I mean, he oh, yeah, I was going to say that he, you know,

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being an anthrax, even though he did some good records with them, that's a

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very different style of singing. Right. From Joey. Yeah. But you could put him

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in Metallica and it would it just fit it would have been a perfectly natural fit.

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And it makes you wonder what their career would have been like, you know,

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if they had had him playing or singing and James just doing the rhythm guitar.

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Yeah. Here's the other thing to consider that he brought up when I interviewed

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him. The dynamic of the band probably would have changed as well because he

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would have written more of the lyrics. Maybe the song some of the songs wouldn't

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have been as popular because of the fact that you have a different lyricist.

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The the content of what the songs were about could have changed radically.

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You know, imagine a song like, I don't know, fade the black or for whom the

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belt holes, something like that right off of Ride the Lightning. Let's say he

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comes in on Ride as they're writing it and he.

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Start saying that he wants his own lyrics, that he doesn't you know, he

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doesn't want to sing James's stuff. He wants to he wants to add his own lyric

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lyrical material to those songs. That could have changed radically where the

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band went, how they were, what songs they came up with, you know, and.

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Yeah. And my thoughts, everything is the same just with John's voice.

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Right. Yes, you're right. It would have been different songs had they written

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those with him.

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So here's something else to take into consideration.

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And this was something that just so people know, this kind of came about

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or no, it did come about because I mentioned this story on my Patreon.

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Podcast. And I mentioned, imagine having like a side project.

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James and John do a side project now.

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They should.

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I mean, that's the thing.

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The first thing that I thought of when I heard category seven was a this is him

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doing what he's been wanting to do with Anthrax all these years.

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He's finally got players where he can go out and do those Anthrax songs live.

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Plus do new material kind of mix both in there.

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And then it made me think he's kind of spreading his wings and showing that he

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can still do some of this stuff, because when he was in Anthrax, he was he was

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doing the Joey era stuff as well.

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Yeah, we also know that he did that album called The Lesser of Two Evils, where he

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it was all. Covers of Joey songs redone with him singing.

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But you can also tell, even though he does those songs well, he's having to strain

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his voice in a different way, you know, to try to kind of get that same melody or

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whatever that Joey had that kind of fits the song.

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Whereas when you hear him singing those Metallica songs, this is very natural

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because, you know, James is not a super dynamic singer.

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Yeah. And, you know, a little bit on injustice for all, but especially from the

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black album on for me, listening to James gets kind of tiring after several songs,

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especially when he started throwing that yeah thing in over and over again on

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later on in the 90s, I think he's kind of gotten away from that, thankfully.

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But he can get a bit tiring to listen to for me, whereas I could listen to John

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much longer.

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Yeah, I think the first thing that came to mind.

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When rehearing them doing the Four Horsemen was.

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How John's and James voice complemented one another.

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Yeah, they do.

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And how I thought, you know, hey, if they were ever to do an album together.

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It would be pretty interesting to see what that would sound damn good with their

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voices like that.

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And James is, you know, chops on the guitar.

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Maybe throw Dave Lombardo in the background.

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We're going to have another dream the band up episode here.

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Who's on base?

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I'm trying to figure that out.

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I'll have to get back to you on that.

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Would you throw Tomari in there to have a third voice?

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No, I don't think they would need any more voice.

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OK, I mean, they sounded good enough.

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You know, in that video by themselves.

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Yeah, that would sound good.

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So all right.

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So how about this?

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Well, could an Ellison be brought into something like that or is he still?

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Yeah, I was going to maybe mention him because he can lock in with that kind of music.

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It's fine because he's got those Megadeth chops.

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You know, Megadeth has that kind of helicopter sounding thrash groove, you know, and that's

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what Dave Lombardo has got that kind of groove is in his playing as well.

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And James has got the right hand chops to keep up with anything that's thrown at him,

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it seems.

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Although, you know, he has been talking about getting older and not being able to play as

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well, which I can understand getting older myself.

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You know, those right hand chops go away really fast if you're not doing it all the time.

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Who would who would be this?

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Well, would you bring in a second guitarist?

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Only maybe for lead purposes.

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OK, I think, you know, if they needed two tracks of guitars, I think James could do

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Maybe invite someone to do a little lead playing.

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OK, so who would you bring in to do the lead?

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Kiko, maybe.

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OK, yeah, he's got some time.

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OK, so.

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So let's let's think of one step forward here.

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They're OK, so they're going to do shows live now and they'll play some of their originals

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that they've written and recorded together.

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And they're also going to play some some songs from each of the members of the band's other

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bands.

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What songs do you want to hear?

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This band do live.

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What what Metallica songs would you like to hear them do live?

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Well, definitely the thrashier tunes, so you'd be dipping back into Kill em All.

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And probably some of the deeper tracks of Kill em All and Ride the Lightning, you know,

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like Trapped Under Ice or Damage Inc.

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You know, some of those things where they can really jam away for us.

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Well, that's a good question.

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I could think on that one for a long time.

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What we've got it else.

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What are you thinking?

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What's my thinking?

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OK, from Metallica standpoint.

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Yeah, I mean, we've heard him do Four Horsemen.

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I mean, that would sound ridiculous.

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I would love to hear him hear them do the the title track off of Ride the Lightning.

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Yeah.

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John Bush would sound good doing Master of Puppets.

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His voice would be a good track.

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No doubt, even though we've heard it a thousand times.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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What about we have Alison in there?

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What Megadeth songs do you want to hear John Bush sing?

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I like maybe The Conjuring.

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Oh, well, Black Friday, Little Good Morning Black Friday.

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I love Bad Omen, too.

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I know a lot of people don't like that as much as me, but I would love to hear it.

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What's the last track off of that album?

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I'm forgetting.

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And, you know, some rest in peace songs might be good from them, too.

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You like Take No Prisoners?

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Yeah.

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Maybe Kiko doing a little Lucretia for us.

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I mean, there'd be a lot of the Megadeth stuff that would fit a band like that really well.

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Old and new.

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Like Headcrusher even.

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Stuff like that.

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That's a fun song to play, by the way.

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Headcrusher.

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Great jam.

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That surprises me that you would say that.

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Yeah.

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My last words is the last track.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's kind of sad.

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I'm starting to get to the age where I'm even forgetting all those ACDC facts I could just

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fire off at any moment that anybody asked me a question.

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You know, it's just things are fading away up there.

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But I remember the sounds.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Megadeth for me.

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Man, I'm surprised you said Headcrusher, but there's some stuff like...

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Man, I've always loved Ashes in Your Mouth.

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Hearing John Bush sing that would be ridiculous.

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Yeah, he'd be good with a lot of Countdown songs.

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Yeah.

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I would have liked Countdown better if John had probably sang on there.

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There you go.

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I know I would have liked Euthanasia and Cryptic Riding's better.

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Risk is not even a...

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You can't even call that a Megadeth record.

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Yeah, that's such a...

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We'll just skip over that one.

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Such a weird album that for whatever reason, I've never understood why whenever risk is

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brought up, a lot of people say, well, Metallica released St. Anger.

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And I always thought, well, one really has nothing to do with the other.

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Yeah, give me St. Anger any day.

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Yeah, for St. Anger shortcomings, it still has three or four good songs.

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That's right.

285
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Yeah.

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It's not...

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It's another story, but...

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Yeah.

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I like the song Breadline.

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It's got a nice melody.

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Okay.

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You know, that's a good song for any rock band to play.

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But yeah, stuff like Crushem is just kind of embarrassing coming from your old thrash metal

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bands.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, okay, you said Headcrusher before.

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That's right, from like 2013, 2010, maybe.

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You know why I thought it was surprising?

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Because I thought you said Crushem, not Headcrusher.

300
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Okay, well, that makes a lot of sense.

301
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Yeah.

302
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That's why I was like, wow.

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Yeah, I'm glad you cleared that up for the audience.

304
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Yeah, because I was thinking, wow, that took an interesting turn of...

305
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Yeah, you're ready to check my metal card there, weren't you?

306
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

307
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All right.

308
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So let's see.

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What Slayer songs would you want to hear John Bush sing?

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Probably Stuff Off the South of Heaven.

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I love that album.

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You know, for some of the slower tracks, he would sound good on that.

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I don't know, when it comes to Slayer, I can't hardly get myself to imagine anybody but Tom.

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So it's even hard for me to think of that one.

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As soon as I think about that, I just move on to the next band.

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But there'd be a lot of good anthrax tunes, though, from both Joey's and John's years

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that, you know, category seven could do really well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They could maybe make them sound better than a lot of those anthrax productions, I think.

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Could very well be.

321
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Yeah, that's what they need to put on their B-sides, or some anthrax cover tunes.

322
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I wonder if anthrax would allow them to do that.

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That'd be nice.

324
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They're probably not.

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I don't know.

326
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Well, look at all...

327
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Anthrax has done that for themselves so often.

328
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Why not?

329
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Let someone do it for anthrax now.

330
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I have heard anthrax covers over the years.

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So I mean, it wouldn't be anything new.

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But yeah, I mean, obviously, again, I think that category seven is going to be a big kind

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of litmus test for where John Bush goes.

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If this album is just really, really good and a lot of metal fans get behind it and

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they do any sort of touring with it.

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Given anthrax in 2024, where you have Scott playing with Mr. Bungle, you have Charlie

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playing with Pantera, Frank playing with Satyricon.

338
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Would it be out of the ordinary for them to do shows with John Bush?

339
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Yeah, no.

340
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I definitely want to see that if they came through here.

341
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Would they call it anthrax, though, or would they call it something else?

342
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Oh, something else.

343
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Sure, I'm thinking if category seven came through here, I'd want to see that.

344
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Okay.

345
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Yeah.

346
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But yeah, that's a good question.

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Would they call that anthrax or not?

348
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I think it would be easy.

349
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They could probably call the band Sound the Void Noise or something.

350
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Exactly.

351
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That's a better way to do it.

352
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Yeah.

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And this gets back to John Bush being the flexible singer that he is, the powerhouse

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singer that he is, because if that wasn't there, we wouldn't be coming up with these

355
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dream scenarios.

356
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That's right.

357
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Yeah.

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Of trying to figure out who he could slot in with and who we could put around him.

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Is there any other singer that you could think of that would instantly give you that kind

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of connection with the James Hetfield to say, Hey, I'd love to see this combination work

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together.

362
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I'm sure there is.

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But now that you're asking me, I'm not going to be able to think of, you know, remember

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what I thought of.

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I think for me, the one and just because I'm a huge fan.

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And although they kind of have worked together again when they did the Tuesday's Gone cover,

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there's Jerry Cantrell on it.

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I would think a real interesting album would be Cantrell and Hetfield as well.

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It didn't necessarily have to be a metal album.

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It could be an acoustic album.

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It could be a straight up rock album.

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Even if you even if you pair those three together, kind of.

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And I'm thinking in the way of of like the band Killer Be Killed, where you have three

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distinct vocalists in there.

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You have Max Cavalera, you have Troy Sanders from Mastodon, you have Greg Pucciato, who

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used to sing in the Dilger Escape Plan.

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I mean, I could.

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I'm thinking of a mix between Anthrax's Black Lodge with some of the like more haunting,

379
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creepy type Alice in Chains.

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Yeah.

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With James adding his.

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His spin to it and his voice can be pretty haunting and like pretty emotional at times

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as well.

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Again.

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I mean, having all of that together in there, that would be really interesting as well.

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It sure would.

387
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Yeah.

388
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Hopefully he can do some things like that as he gets older and Metallica starts to fade

389
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away.

390
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Maybe he can do some other projects that would be interesting.

391
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,000
Yeah, that's that's another thing that's kind of interesting.

392
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They're not getting any younger.

393
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Yes, I know that three of the four guys that have been there since the first album are

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still there.

395
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Everyone bitches about Lars, but Lars seems to still be in good shape.

396
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How long can they continue to go?

397
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I mean, but also Kirk has recently come out saying that they don't play enough.

398
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They're playing twice a week.

399
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Yeah, they're playing twice a week.

400
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So they're doing that so that they can extend their touring for a long period of time.

401
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They go for like four or five months and then take six weeks off and they head out and do

402
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another leg.

403
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,920
But at the same time, these legs of tours that they're doing, they're just doing Friday,

404
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Friday, Sunday shows or Saturday, Monday shows.

405
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And it's helping with, I think, the longevity of the band.

406
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And yeah, they probably could play more shows, but I think James Voice wouldn't be as good.

407
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I think Lars's playing wouldn't be as good.

408
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I think this is you get worn out.

409
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Yeah.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Yeah.

412
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,720
So I think they've they've always been a step ahead of so many bands.

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I think improving it with this as well.

414
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It's helping tack on years, tack on longevity.

415
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And maybe they get to a point where they say, you know, no more or they were going to go

416
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away for five years.

417
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,240
And in the meantime, we're each going to work on different things.

418
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That's right.

419
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Yeah.

420
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You know, and just to because I'm already dealing with it.

421
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Your muscles just don't snap back the next day.

422
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,080
You can have like a you can be really on fire one night, but it's not like it was when you

423
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were a kid and you wake up the next day and just do it all over again.

424
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,280
You're probably dealing with a lot of pain in your muscles.

425
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,520
You know, your fingers are locked up, your wrist hurt, and you have to go and spend a

426
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,080
bunch of time warming up to get back to where you can play like you did the night before.

427
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Right.

428
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,360
It takes time and discipline.

429
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Yeah, it's just things are different.

430
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,200
I miss my my young hands.

431
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,600
Yeah, let's see.

432
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Go quickly.

433
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Let's see how how old John Bush is.

434
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
John Bush is 60.

435
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Yeah.

436
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:03,600
And the voice to as they get older, it's going to go away, too, for most people.

437
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:12,200
Whitefield is 60 as well.

438
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Lars is 60.

439
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,400
Wow.

440
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Kirk is older than them.

441
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,040
Is he?

442
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,720
He's 61.

443
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:27,720
OK.

444
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:40,520
And he'll be he'll be 62 this year.

445
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,320
Robert Trujillo is the youngest.

446
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,680
He'll be 60 in October.

447
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440
OK, let's see.

448
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,560
So Kirk will be 62.

449
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,640
Lars will be 61 this year.

450
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:04,280
James will be 61 in two months.

451
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,720
Wow.

452
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:15,960
James and John Bush are born 20, 21 days apart.

453
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They're born three weeks apart.

454
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,840
OK.

455
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,360
So that's that's amazing.

456
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,240
Yeah, it's good to see they're still going.

457
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Absolutely.

458
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:39,480
I mean, who would have thought of when when we when we were.

459
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Whatever when we started listening to a lot of these bands that these bands would still

460
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be going now.

461
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:51,000
I know, you know, we grew up in an age where hope I die before I get old was a very prominent

462
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,600
lyric on the radio.

463
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,840
And it's better to burn out than to fade away.

464
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,720
And like that.

465
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:06,400
So to all these people are the age of our grandparents when we were that age.

466
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Exactly.

467
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:14,560
You know, and my grandparents looked way older than everybody does now at that age.

468
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Well, I think they also didn't have the the money that these people have to continue to

469
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,880
stay young.

470
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,880
That's right.

471
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That has a lot to do with it as well.

472
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:36,840
I mean, they're let's be honest, they're on a different playing field than we are.

473
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:48,920
When we talk about James's playing or other people's health, they're flying around and

474
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:57,040
they have masseuses and they have that are specialized in acupuncture and shiatsu and

475
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,800
all this stuff to keep them young and limber.

476
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,920
So their 60 isn't going to be our 60.

477
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,920
That's right.

478
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
They're having it nice.

479
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Absolutely.

480
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,080
They definitely are.

481
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,240
Way different than they started off when they were singing all those angry songs about being

482
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,840
poor and having nothing to do except rock and roll.

483
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,440
It is very true.

484
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:37,640
And that's actually why D Snider said way back when that he had a hard time writing

485
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,640
lyrics.

486
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,640
That's right.

487
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Because, you know, he had five Ferraris, five houses and a bunch of kids and life was good.

488
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,840
So he couldn't write rebellious lyrics anymore.

489
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Yeah, that's that is a funny, ironic thing.

490
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,960
That's life for you.

491
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,880
It is very much that way.

492
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,080
It feels better, though, to have the money than not.

493
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,920
I think we'd all agree to that.

494
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Yeah, absolutely.

495
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Makes things easier.

496
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,960
So any other scenario you can think of like this?

497
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,680
Of other bands?

498
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,680
Yeah.

499
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Members like that?

500
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Yes.

501
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Yeah.

502
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:36,080
But it would probably just kind of be in the thrash world, you know, taking different players

503
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,360
that I like and know how they play.

504
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,080
You can come up with quite a few different bands.

505
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,480
You know, all those players are so good.

506
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,480
Right.

507
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Yeah.

508
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:55,600
But yeah, that's another thing I probably thought of bands.

509
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,640
But it wouldn't be able to think of anything right away.

510
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Of course, I've always wanted to hear.

511
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:10,160
I enjoyed Carrie playing with Gary Holt and was kind of hoping they continue to do something

512
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,160
with Dave Lombardo.

513
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,080
There were rumors about that in the past, you know, before Carrie went on to do his

514
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,320
other solo thing.

515
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:25,960
But yes, stuff like that.

516
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Of course, Dave Mustaine playing with different people is always good.

517
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,880
But yeah, I don't know, man.

518
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Yeah, Dave did do a side project at one point.

519
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:46,760
He did do that MD 45 album, which originally had leaving from fear on vocals had Jimmy

520
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:47,760
DeGrasse.

521
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,200
Dan Spitz once.

522
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,200
What was that?

523
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,640
He did something with Dan Spitz once an album called Red Lamb.

524
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Red Lamb.

525
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,280
He produced that.

526
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,640
He played on some tracks.

527
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,120
I don't know that he played on all of them.

528
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080
I know Nickel McBrain appears on that as well.

529
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Yeah, that was a good album.

530
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,240
I'd like to find a copy of that.

531
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:17,200
Yeah, I was close to interviewing him when that album came out and never ended up happening

532
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,200
with Dan Spitz.

533
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:25,200
I'd love to hear an interview from Dan if we ever could.

534
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
I always liked him.

535
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,880
He was one of my favorites back then.

536
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,880
I think he's got so much money right now that he doesn't need to do anything related to

537
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,400
music and doesn't have the time or patience.

538
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Yeah, you're right.

539
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,280
Yeah, hopefully he'll just want to talk about the old time someday and he'll share it with

540
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,280
us.

541
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,760
Yeah, we'd welcome him here without any problems at all.

542
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,760
That's right.

543
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,800
It's close to having happening once.

544
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:10,960
It was close to happening and then something happened where it just didn't line up.

545
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Apparently, I asked to interview him in the middle of the afternoon and I was told that

546
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,480
he was doing a sound check at that time.

547
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,680
I'm thinking at four o'clock in the afternoon, he's doing a sound check for an 8 p.m. show.

548
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,840
That kind of doesn't make sense to me.

549
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,840
But okay.

550
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,840
Right.

551
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:43,560
I was trying to think if Dan was part of that Anthrax documentary that came out a few years

552
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:49,080
back and he was because he showed off the whole watchmaking and repairing techniques.

553
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,080
That's right.

554
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,080
Yeah.

555
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Yeah, what a different job.

556
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Yeah, it's amazing when some people leave the music industry, what they get themselves

557
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,200
into.

558
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Yeah, that is always interesting.

559
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,280
Yeah.

560
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,280
Very cool.

561
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,520
John Bush, again, one of my favorite people to interview, Armored Saint.

562
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:21,640
I think they're going to be playing some dates in Europe over the summer.

563
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,980
They just did a run with Queensryche and I would imagine that they would be doing more

564
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:29,680
shows at some point in the fall.

565
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:37,320
It's interesting because they stopped touring as heavily because they all not all of them,

566
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,200
but the various members ended up having kids.

567
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,640
And now a lot of those kids are now graduating high school.

568
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,280
And, you know, the station in life that they're in isn't the same as it once was.

569
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
So it seems like they're more willing to go out to tour.

570
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,480
So with the advent of this category seven album, maybe it also helps once again, bring

571
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,640
other other projects to fruition and we get to see them not only live, but we get to hear

572
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,160
some new music from them as well.

573
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,160
That's right.

574
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Yeah, I hope so.

575
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,720
Yeah.

576
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:13,720
Very cool.

577
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,400
So this has been an awesome discussion with you, sir.

578
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,880
Yeah, that was fun.

579
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,880
Yeah, it's always fun to talk from not being able to think of scenarios there for you.

580
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:25,880
No, that's fine.

581
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,880
That's fine.

582
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:34,120
We were doing we were talking about before recording the other show was was focused around

583
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,920
John Bush and Metallica.

584
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,560
So it's cool that we were able to get a good discussion out of this.

585
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,940
And I do encourage anyone that's watching or listening to this to send us your comments.

586
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:53,960
Maybe there are other combinations that you would be interested in seeing.

587
00:43:53,960 --> 00:44:01,680
We'd be all ears to hear about them and think and contemplate what you guys think would

588
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,040
work and see what would be cool.

589
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Yeah.

590
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:11,120
So feel free to send your comments on that note.

591
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,480
We're going to wrap this episode up.

592
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,800
I want to thank Ed for joining me once again, and we will see you guys the next time right

593
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,560
here on Signals from Mars.

594
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,560
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595
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,560
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596
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,560
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599
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600
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